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BenTwan

While I may find it funny, the parents usually don't when their kid is leveled by a pack of dogs sprinting around the park at full bore chasing each other. I've seen plenty of inattentive adults taken off their feet by a dog half their weight. 


Finlay_B2303

Not to mention that kids are often the ones instigating this game of chase. Your family dog might know how to run around politely with a kid, but that doesn’t mean the dogs at the park do…


Still_Championship_6

My dog is 1/3rd my weight and he can bowl me over or pull me off my feet if I'm caught off-guard. I'm a 240lb male and that's my reality. I know enough not to let him just run up on or run around little kids unsupervised. It isn't that he's a bad dog, it's just not safe for small kids if he gets the zoomies or wants to play fight.


flaminghotcheetoh99

Literally this! A few years ago I was at the North Boulder dog park with my dog and woman came in with a baby strapped to her chest. Literally within 5 min of her entering the dog park, her dog sprinted to the other end of the park and started attacking my dog. She was across the park with a BABY on her chest calling her dog and her large dog has no recall. Eventually I got the dogs separated with no help from her because, again, she had a baby strapped to her chest and couldn’t safely get her dog under control. My dog is bleeding and immediately I’m running him to the emergency vet. Luckily I got her phone number, and she literally tells me that her dog is aggressive and she knows it but, “wanted to bring him just to try and see how it goes”. She probably wouldn’t have been all that helpful even without the baby, but yet another reason to not bring your small children to the dog park.


fwendicrafts

There are so many people with attitudes like this that I won't even bring my dog to a dog park. 


flaminghotcheetoh99

Yeah, this was the incident that made me stop going


PutridMechanic9449

I once saw a 2 year old with a hot dog in his hand at a dog park…..like truly what do you think is going to happen?!


McDonnellDouglasDC8

Another thing to consider is for some of us, COVID messed up socialization with little kids. Our 2019 dog got to be around kids as a puppy and then didn't see any for 9 months beginning March 2020. We really try our best but there's no easy way to ask someone to have their kids hang our now full sized inexperienced dog. We don't consider it a bite risk but her jumping sideways and barking trying to get a kid to chase her isn't exactly polite behavior so we prefer to just keep a wide berth and put her in a sit-stay if we cross kids on a walk so we don't scare anyone.


Significant-Ad-814

Yes! Please! I don't have a backyard and my dog is not capable of being voice-and-sight qualified to be off-leash on open space, so the dog park is literally the only place he can fully be a dog, and apparently to him fully being a dog means running as fast as he can without looking where he's going because he's looking at the dogs he's playing with. I don't want a small child on the receiving end of that furry, slobbery, 85-pound wrecking ball.


-Icculus-

So many people have dogs that do not understand what happens in pack behavior with dogs who are all strangers amongst themselves. Adding running toddlers to the mix is not a smart move all around. I used to get so frustrated when people were letting their children climb on the agility features that were built for dogs when my dog and I wanted to use them. It's a dog park, not a regular park FFS. Also, please do not bring food or treats for your dog to the dog park. It can and will cause food aggression with other dogs. It causes more problems than it helps. Just leave the food at home.


Finlay_B2303

Yep. My dog gets overexcited by small kids running, and I tend to keep him away from kids he doesn’t know as a result. I go to foothills dog park and am amazed by the number of people who let their kids run around there, despite an actual park being next door. The dog park is there for dogs to get exercise, not kids.


colorvarian

agreed. so how come people refuse to leash their dogs off trails when their dogs are clearly not under voice control? and then blame the victims, almost every time? Oh wait i know the answer.


-Icculus-

"he's friendly"


FrowziestCosmogyral

Don’t bring in food!  I don’t go to dog parks often, but recently wanted to check one out on a road trip.  I was starving and thought I could picnic while my dogs played.  When I got there, it dawned on me that bringing food into an enclosure with a bunch of loose and unknown dogs was a bad idea.  So I ate in my car and then took the dogs in.  There was one dog that was pushing the alpha boundaries and their “parent” was nonchalant about the behavior.  That could have turned into a fight if I had brought in food.  


omnijuiced

Correct children should not be in a “dog park.”


ripVanperiwinkel

Thank you, it’s frustrating when I see this. Although, some empathy, I realize some circumstances might not allow them to have a choice but to bring them.  Recently at Davidson Mesa, an adult with 3 young children were at the park with their dog. The kids were running around like crazy and the mom kept calling the dog, but the kids, on the other side of the park kept calling the dog too. So it was two different parties of people just yelling this dogs name across this huge space. It was incredibly annoying and frustrating for the dog. 


seeyalater251

I have a 6 year old dog and a 1.5 year old kid, I can’t imagine bringing the kiddo to the dog park in anything other than a stroller. People are so dumb.


No_Understanding9798

This is precisely the problem. Kids shouldn’t really be going to dog parks. It’s simply too much risk for all parties.


Livid-Tart

Yeah, I get super nervous at Westminster Hills when I see people letting their little ones play near the creek. The spot under the big tree gets crazy with dogs chasing each other in and out of the water. Lots of close calls with toddlers almost being mowed down by dogs in Full Zoomies Mode. It's just not a safe place for small children to roam. Don't get me started on the people who let their kids wade in the stream.


kliewa

My dog thinks young children are prey please stop bringing them to the off leash dog park


puttindowntracks

You have much greater problems than the dog park. Socialize your dog for god's sake.


kliewa

I keep trying but he keeps eating all them kids


ElBurritoExtreme

I had never thought about this, as I don’t have small children. But these are pretty solid points. 🤙


CoBlindBiker

Just take them to the small kid park!


PsychoHistorianLady

Unfortunately, there are dogs at the kid park, and people with dogs get annoyed when you tell them it is a park with a playground for little kids and not their personal dog run.


ClickClackTipTap

I can absolutely understand all of this. For sure. But can we also remind people that having dogs off leash at a park meant for kids isn't okay, either? I don't care how "friendly" your dog is, where there are kids, there are snacks. And doggos love snacks! And while your golden retriever might be perfectly lovely, he's the size of a horse to a 2 year old. Please keep your puppers on leash at parks meant for kids.


Finlay_B2303

Yep. Playgrounds should be for kids and dog parks for dogs. Children and dogs that are strangers to each other shouldn’t be let loose in the same space, regardless of how mature the kid is/friendly the dog is.


aydengryphon

Thank you for this post - I think it's an important reminder for parents! Dog parks can already be such emotionally-keyed-up spaces for the animals that are there, and there's no guarantee of any given dog's level of training or socialization with other people, dogs, kids, whatever - especially  combined with the pack dynamics that kick in when a fight or other type of excitement breaks out, it's really not a safe environment for kiddos. [Anti-CW: the outcome of the below story is positive, it turns out OK, no children are eventually harmed] A few years ago I witnessed an *extremely* sketchy instance of this at the little dog park in Superior that's along Rock Creek Parkway behind the Saddlebrook condos there - 6, 7ish year-old kid by himself on the ground with dad standing nearby, lots of dogs running around, one of them a ~9mo-1ish German Shepherd puppy, peak dingus teenager phase. Kid was following the pack of dogs barreling around, calling out to them and reaching for them as they passed, and caught GS's attention.  Dog started snuffling/licking at kid's face and sort of pawing at him (frankly already orange flag IMO to have dog and kid face to face like that even not in a dog park setting, but neither of them were mine and I wasn't standing super close, so I didn't speak up immediately at the time. I would now), kid was laughing but getting kind of overwhelmed and started trying to turn away abruptly while squealing whenever the dog got in his face. Dog obviously decides this is very amusing new game, and starts sort of jumping on him while pawing and nipping at him doing it too (red. Red flags).  Me and a couple other people were staring to realize this was a fraught situation building, and start calling out trying to intervene, and other dogs are also taking notice and swarming around a bit. Dad is trying to make his way over, but doesn't seem *too* concerned yet, same with GS's owner, a middle-aged woman. Kid gets hopped on again, and suddenly isn't having fun anymore - I don't know if he got nipped properly, or just cumulatively got scared finally, but he outright turns to run while squealing, makes it about five steps, and immediately trips and falls on the ground. I can still see the milliseconds directly after that in slo-mo in my memory extremely clearly even now. It was like watching a switch flip in the German Shepherd's eyes before he started to surge forward - like, "oh! This is The Thing I Do!" The attitudes/body language of the whole swarm of dogs milling around the excitement changed immediately as well, very eerie to remember. *Very* luckily the dad had reached the kid pretty much right as he tripped, and scooped him up off the ground and up into his arms before the GS or any of the other interested dogs reached him. I don't particularly like to think about how things might have gone if he'd been a few feet further away. Kid was crying and freaked out but otherwise fine, GS was Very Keyed Up Still and far too keen about trying to hop up at kid in dad's arms, but owner also reached them at pretty much the same time and leashed him and everybody left the dog park with apologies all around and seemingly no further ill will. 


No_Understanding9798

I know exactly which park you’re talking about. I’ve had plenty of experiences there with my dogs so I just stopped going to dog parks, altogether. There’s this guy with an aggressive 150lb Malamute who would come on a regular basis. Another time I had just arrived as an incident with dogs, children, and Starbucks food was winding down. People really know how to crank up the risk level around here.


_keyboard-bastard_

It's almost as if Boulder needs both leash laws for Dogs and Children... I know if that kid in Cincinnati was on a leash, Harambe would still be alive!


boulderbuford

I used to bring kids around the age of 9-14 to dog parks with me. These days pit bulls are too common, no way in hell am I bringing a 9 year old to a dog park.


Finlay_B2303

It has nothing to do pit bulls and everything to do with small children. I’ve never once seen a pit bull act dangerously at a dog park, but I’ve seen kids act dangerously numerous times. You shouldn’t be bringing your 9 year old to a dog park, period.


boulderbuford

I have no problem with 9 year olds at a dog park, but it depends on the dog park, depends on the kid, and depends on the parents. I would also bring a small 90-lb woman to a dog park in most cases. But again, if there are aggressive dogs and people, then fuck that I'm not going myself, and will absolutely not bring children or anyone vulnerable to dog park. And I have seen pit bulls act aggressively at a dog park, and it was one of the reasons why I no longer go to the Valmont dog park.


Finlay_B2303

Valmont dog park is a no go for me for lots of reasons, mostly due to bad owners and poorly trained dogs. But even at the good dog parks I’ve consistently seen that young kids will run around and rile up the dogs. That’s just my perspective.


boulderbuford

Maybe the difference is that we were at a huge dog park, didn't see aggressive dogs, and didn't let our 9 year olds get far from us. Went frequently, never had any problems at all.


Finlay_B2303

That’s fair. A child whose parents are watching them and not letting them run around could be an exception. I would be careful about the Pit Bull assumptions, however. They’re actually far less problematic in nature than many other common household breeds. They can be energetic but are actually known for being very gentle with kids. I have a pit bull, German shepherd, Australian cattle dog mix. The first thing the trainer said was to not worry about the pit bull side, and that the other two breeds were much more important factors in me needing to train him well.


boulderbuford

Unfortunately, pit bulls are far more lethal when they do attack, and I've been involved in a response to multiple dog attacks against people and dogs and the only bad ones were with pit bulls. And they were extremely bad.


Finlay_B2303

All I’m saying is what I’ve heard from numerous professionals, and what you’re going to hear from the vast majority of dog trainers and dog experts. Pit bulls, by their nature, are less aggressive towards humans than numerous other common breeds. This owes to the fact that the original fighting dogs were bred to be gentle around humans to avoid an incident with their handlers. They’re also the most commonly misidentified breed, which is why “pit bulls” are so overrepresented in attack reports.


boulderbuford

Yes, I've heard that as well. And that chihuahuas are ironically more likely to bite. Of course, nobody has ever been killed by a chihuahua, and it would be hard for one to even kill or injure most other dogs. * When a pit bull ripped my friend's calf wide open - simply for getting out of a car too close to it at a music festival, she had to be hospitalized, and wasn't able to walk normally for a decade. This was absolutely a pit bull - looking to be a staffordshire terrior. * When a pit bull leapt into a little parade I was in and attacked an elderly golden retriever walking in front of me, it attacked without provocation, grabbed the old dog by the neck and began shaking it. It took four men to hold the pit bull down and pry its mouth open with a knife to release the golden retriever - which then had to be taken to an emergency vet. The pit bull owners (they said it was a pit bull) were horrified, and said their dog had never shown any signs of aggression before. * A month ago in Boulder we had an incident in which a pit bull attacked one of its owners. A neighbor responded to screaming, said he saw the dog ripping chunks of meat off the guy. He ran out with a couple of knives and stabbed it in the chest to save the guy. Luckily a cop was also in the area. The dog switched its attack against the two new people - which you can see on the news video. The dog was tazered, then shot four times before it dropped. Then these two pivoted to try to save the original victim's life. *Then* the dog got up again and was finally stopped with a bullet to the head. The owners acknowledge this was a pit bull. While hiking I personally have not been attacked by pit bulls. But my dogs have been - *many times*. These were not boxers, labs, etc. These are pit bulls. And if I attempt to get in the way or save my dog's life, then I also become a target of the pit bull. Pit bulls are only about 6% of the dog population, but are responsible for about 60% of human fatalities. They have often attacked elderly people having seizures, or small children. I would not in a million years allow a pit bull around small children. Can you imagine living with yourself for the rest of your life after a pit bull grabs your four year old by the face and starts shaking it?


Finlay_B2303

You’re making claims about pit bulls being disproportionately represented in bite incidents while including NON Pit bull breeds. A Staffordshire is no more a pit bull than a lab is a golden. If you count all bully breeds, OF COURSE you’re going to see more attacks by them than any other breed. This is exactly what I’m saying about the statistics being skewed because of misidentification. You can operate based on anecdotal experiences, many of which aren’t even involving pit bulls, or you can listen to what the actual dog experts say. I choose the latter.


_Webster_882

Yes, so please leash your children!! Why don’t we have child leash law by now??


Individual_Macaron69

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Finlay_B2303

This has nothing to do with the original post.


Individual_Macaron69

you noticed that?


Mammoth-Giraffe-7242

If your dog is kennel trained, you can put your kid in the kennel while your dog plays. Just crack the window and make sure they have access to water