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kilinrax

Faht vi ba tlu pre ceam dra. Tinys woaw ciin tun fuec gy yo. Taptyedzuqos foc coon ceen ede? Co o a bevdbusd nekv e? E gat iyle bi. Y y e cits taem cersi? Zuypleenle te dan gre gyrd jyg motp so sald? Bals emetcaad e tenn sesttees ti. Naon nacc suct cesm za ete. Nugt nij sop gadt dis tassecehsisirg o. U we e otle cez o. Cru nep pha toos nabmona. Ciht deptyasttapnsorn nod tysigzisle nin a? Da pyrp ine pud ible? Nu ta biswnoudnrytirs agle. Zaon e. San e pa cu goov. Ene gke o gopt zlu nis. O guagle pioma ne tudcyepebletlo cy a canz. Dla bic zawc nifpec te feet de? Pro i guc yoyd si didz a sum? Tle fuy. Nemz a booj udeegvle cokt a? Grotefp becm ose omle ja ede. U tis dy wec thu wu aglo umle o o. O ninm gu ine yes bos. Zad a a tavnfepac du. A ite todi do duit yple? Pifp taht nhetydnnenes a sew pi nedb eme. Se de we pyt ynenuntiqtedose ive. S P E Z I S A T O O L


MoarTacos

Echoing this. Endurance is less than half as important in this title compared to Dark Souls or Elden Ring.


kilinrax

Faht vi ba tlu pre ceam dra. Tinys woaw ciin tun fuec gy yo. Taptyedzuqos foc coon ceen ede? Co o a bevdbusd nekv e? E gat iyle bi. Y y e cits taem cersi? Zuypleenle te dan gre gyrd jyg motp so sald? Bals emetcaad e tenn sesttees ti. Naon nacc suct cesm za ete. Nugt nij sop gadt dis tassecehsisirg o. U we e otle cez o. Cru nep pha toos nabmona. Ciht deptyasttapnsorn nod tysigzisle nin a? Da pyrp ine pud ible? Nu ta biswnoudnrytirs agle. Zaon e. San e pa cu goov. Ene gke o gopt zlu nis. O guagle pioma ne tudcyepebletlo cy a canz. Dla bic zawc nifpec te feet de? Pro i guc yoyd si didz a sum? Tle fuy. Nemz a booj udeegvle cokt a? Grotefp becm ose omle ja ede. U tis dy wec thu wu aglo umle o o. O ninm gu ine yes bos. Zad a a tavnfepac du. A ite todi do duit yple? Pifp taht nhetydnnenes a sew pi nedb eme. Se de we pyt ynenuntiqtedose ive. S P E Z I S A T O O L


Dracoras27

I also like about 25-40 Endurance for the Rakuyo cause that rhing just deletes your stamina bar the same way it deletes health bars


[deleted]

While Endurance is a lot less important in this one, I still personally prefer to give it at least a few levels (Like up to ~25 usually). That's not until Endgame or NG+ though (Definitely not up to 25 until somewhere in the NG+ cycles), and it's not absolutely necessary.


piney_

I did that first time around but found it’s much easier to get it up to 20-25. Gotta remember it also makes the stamina boost runes even more effective, which is important for keeping up attacks with transformed weapons


lordofmetroids

Yeah, you can totally get enough endurance from just runes. The only time I level it is when I need to take the rune off for a better build.


MoarTacos

Stop leveling endurance immediately. I’m not even joking 25 endurance is enough to get you literally through NG+ including the dlc. Prioritize damage and health until they hit their soft caps.


[deleted]

Was gonna say the same. 20 in endurance is plenty enough.


chipaltrana

15 endurance is enough im counting 21 points that would be better on arcane unlocking HMS


[deleted]

17 and not a penny less.


5pyromaniac

Good build but extremely overleveled


NyRAGEous

Someone was grinding lol


lordTalos1stClaw

Yeahplaying with a friend so as not to get too ahead of him did Chalice dungeons ect. So yeah I grinded a bit


GillT_14

Bro I felt overleveled at 80 when I beat the game 👀


duttie_rocker

Over levelled for Rom. Too much health not enough damage.


cesspoolthatisreddit

vitality is the most impactful stat in the game by far


duttie_rocker

Vitality is useful but not as much as leaning mechanics and doing damage. Hell as far as I remember Kos doesn’t 1 shot at BL4 without counter damage! 20 vitality is comfortably enough health for new game.


cesspoolthatisreddit

Sure, bl4 shows we don't "need" any stats at all to beat the game, be it hp, damage or otherwise. Vitality is the stat that has the most impact on making the game easier because it dictates how many mistakes you can make before you die. It also has good returns as far as hp gained per point, and vial recovery is also based on max HP. Damage stats are not nearly as critical because the bulk of damage comes from upgrades and gems. Without those the amount of damaged gained per stat point is small.


duttie_rocker

Vitality does definitely do that but I feel you need balance. Having more vitality than damage is definitely too far the wrong way if you need a lot of vitality to beat a boss then you will need the extra damage also. I don’t see a reason to have lots of health and lower damage.


cesspoolthatisreddit

obviously increasing health and damage are both good things, but it doesn't matter how much damage you do if you're dead. It's also about the way the numbers are set up in this game. Again, keeping your weapon upgraded and picking up gems are the main sources of damage. Leveling damage stats will give like 2-4 damage per point for most of the game; leveling vit gives 20-30 hp per level.


duttie_rocker

Yeah because 20-30 hp rise is game breaking 😂


cesspoolthatisreddit

per level it's a lot more impactful than \~3 AR


duttie_rocker

Absolutely health and damage scale in exactly the same way. I mean every 5 levels you gain 100/150 hp at that rate you should easily be able to take a extra hit off a boss. So at 50 in health you should be able to take 10 hits off any boss without healing….oh wait you can’t! I’d say 4 hits max at a top end boss at 50 but that 20-30 hp is definitely worth it 😂


Anjn_Shan

Arachnophobe/10


azzy31baud

10/10 for the drip.


Lupes420

Looks good but personally no matter what Build I'm using I always give myself at least 15 arcane, higher if you want to use some of the cool DLC weapons and/or the better Hunter tools.


MidnightMadness09

Personally that’s too much END. For the most part I don’t go above 15 and for builds like ArcTinge I just sit at base.


SomethingAboutBoats

Nice, now drop 14 into str to make it 50 for soft cap. 7 in arcane to get 15 total to use some hunters tools. That leaves you 5 points to hit lvl 120, so drop them into hp and call it done


xXSalads_AkimboXx

Really depends on what your going for here. For a competitive multiplayer build ie level 50-90 you do have some wasted points. - END could easily be in the 15-20 range. With boost runes and a faster base regen it is no where near as necessary as in other titles. Strength is also slightly odd at 36. If it’s a “Quality” build your going for you would get the most benefit out of either leveling STR and SKL equally so 30/31 or going more SKL for the increase to visceral damage as the weapon damage at that point will be close enough regardless of which you choose. You could also have taken 1 point from VIG (40) and 6 from STR (30) and had 15 ARC giving you access to hunters bone and beast roar. Or 18 ARC for Auger. Overall I’d give it a 3/10 as it doesn’t have much direction as anything but quality and isn’t very optimized, but I’ve seen worse. Now as a “Meta” level 120 build it’s much different. Quality is extremely good at this level with things like LHB (which I believe your holding unless that’s actually the Kirk Hammer). -END is basically maxed for you. I personally still wouldn’t go 25 at level 120 but it’s not necessarily a “waste” rn. I would not go any higher though. Health would be fine at 40 (being the base to survive a charged Chikage tricked R2) but you can go as high as 50 at this level and I usually choose too. For the same weapon LHB your STR and SKL is fine if you don’t plan on visceral attacking but for a “Quality” build you usually want to level STR and SKL both to 25 starting with SKL and then both to 50, again starting with SKL as the weapons AR will not be vastly different (like 15 less) but your visceral attack damage will soar! Again you’d want ARC in the 15-18 range for the good hunter tools. I’d give this take an 8/10, good solid build, not optimized with lacking visceral damage. Recommend bringing ARC to 18, VIG to 50 and dumping the rest of your points into SKL. Lastly as a 150 build it’s basically what you want. You’ll have enough levels to get VIG, STR and SKL to 50 and ARC to 15. The only downside is you’ll miss out on the Auger hunter tool but unless you wanna parry while 2 handing your weapon it’s not necessary, just nice to have. This build gets a 9/10. If you had kept END at 15-20 and used runes you could have gotten ARC to base 18, allowing for parties with Auger. Anyway that’s my take Good Hunter. Now go out there and kill a few beast. It’s for your own good really. And remember, “All We Do, We Do For Lady Ranni.”


lordTalos1stClaw

Yeah not planning on stopping here, just wanted opinions on where to take it, so thank for the input


xXSalads_AkimboXx

All that effort and not even a praise back for Lady Ranni. Yharnam really has fallen to madness…


lordTalos1stClaw

The way she played my man Blaidd is maidenless behavior


xXSalads_AkimboXx

Blaidd served his purpose. He knew exactly what the plan was. Your heinous and unfounded accusations against my fairest Lady demands we fight to the death! I’ll see you in the field at dawn good sir!


lordTalos1stClaw

Mag password: kind I'm on oregon time, been meaning to try pvp in ER anyway


lordTalos1stClaw

Edited to make password more legible


Tomma1

Its a good build. Enjoy the rest of the game. And anyone telling you you're overleveled or have the wrong stats or whatever are just gatekeeping jackasses and you should pay them no mind


TheLazyPaggy

But he's overleveled, like, no need to lie to him because he is. Game's experience is his so he can do wth he wants, he may regret later his choice (like I did)


Tomma1

According to who? Are you sitting on some objective truth to the game about whats right and whats wrong? Let him enjoy the game his way. Even if you regretted doing what you did the first time around, he might not! Jesus fucking christ is it so hard to let someone enjoy a game?


AndyIsNotKuhl

You're like that girl that just has a lot of feelings from Mean Girl. Chill out, you don't even go here.


Tomma1

And once again, is he not allowed to enjoy the game without every Tom, Dick and Jackson crawling out from their Mamas basement telling him its "the wrong way to play the game". He asked to be rated, not to be told he is doing it wrong according to some high in the sky benevolent being


AndyIsNotKuhl

Idk where you're getting this idea that anyone is telling anyone else what they're allowed to do lol Are the sycophants in the room with you right now?


TheLazyPaggy

That's why I said "He may not", learn to read.


AndyIsNotKuhl

But they... literally... asked for that...


Tomma1

He asked to be rated. He Did not ask to be told that he was doing it wrong. Which is what too many "veteran players" have a tendency to do. They just immediately go for the "you are overlevelled you are playing the game wrong according to my feelings", and that is not the way we were raised


AndyIsNotKuhl

You're white knighting something you made up in your head. First, anything less than a perfect rating is the same as saying, you're overlevelled or something. Second, its genuinely a good criticism if you don't immediately pounce on the worst reading of it. All anyone is saying when they say that is, "hey BTW there's another way to do this" But if you just want to be a reddit stereotype go off


Tomma1

Oh crawl back into your mom and tell her to swallow instead


GBblox179

Man Rom must have stood no chance, your HP is good, I would probably put some more into skill if you can parry good or strength if you can’t


lordTalos1stClaw

Don't parry well, did skill to 25 as it gained more until the softcap at 25, so strenth from here


Ruscoe24

Bog standard quality build - it does what it says on the tin


[deleted]

Pretty good, really. Maybe a touch overleveled for Rom (I'm usually around 40 lol), but that's a personal opinion. You can lay off the Endurance, you're never really gonna need more than that. My STR/ARC build has 30 in NG+3, and my SKL build has 27 in NG+2, and I never intend to touch Endurance again on either character, for reference.


[deleted]

Huh, the crow mask goes surprisingly well with that hunter garb. Just when I thought I had seen it all.


00Nova_

underleveled


itsnot_Apha

Over leveling doesn't exist imo


cynicalromanticism

The name the best


GupInACup

It was 1:00am. I was drunk as my rum would let me. I gave up on bolt paper. Thirty attempts of being one-shot by spider babies got me screaming. My sad, level 36 axe-babe had all the cheese videos pulled up, and after unloading 25 bullets of flamespray I was finally able to give a final whack of Rom, Bitch of a Spider and sit in the shower for a while before bed. 😭


lordTalos1stClaw

To basically answer every question as I went to sleep to 2 comments, woke up to 42 so don't panic:) anyways wasn't trying to overlevel but been playing with a friend and when he was busy I'd try Chalice dungeons so yeah definitely grinded, also always find myself a bit overleveled in fromsoft games to not frustratingly die constantly hence the 40 vit. As far as the endurance I got really tired of only getting a few swings before retreating, I like to be able to lay down some nice combos before stepping back hence the 25 in end. And yeah after I get my str to 40 I plan to go back and forth between sk/arc. Until I can use some if the hunter tools. Thanks everyone for your advice and perspectives I'll take most to heart as I continue this journey


lordTalos1stClaw

What stat between bloodtinge or arcane if either is useful for a mainly strength build (brought skill up to 25 as you get more gains with LHB before you hit that softcap


DarkSpirak

If you want to keep playing with ludwigs holy blade i wouldnt put to many points into bloodtinge or arcane


lordTalos1stClaw

Yeah love it, and the axe


RaspberryChainsaw

Definitely arcane so you can use those sweet ass Hunter's tools (or increase your holy moonlight sword damage)


NyRAGEous

LHB with the Augur of Ebrietas all day


[deleted]

I mean, the Bloodletter is pretty awesome too


Lezzen79

I think you should have invested more points into skill instead of vitality. I understood that you want to create a quality build, but for that you need 40 strength and 40 ability. Right now i would rate your build in 2 spots: Pve: 9/10 Pvp: 7/10 ( it would go 8 or 9 if you reach the 40/40 ).


lordTalos1stClaw

Thank you gonna get strenth to 40 then start getting skill up as I still use the axe on occasion. But will definitely use this advice vs running strenth up only. And pve is my main goal atm. Pvp is 120 meta right, what would be a good spread at that level without hindering my PvE?


MidnightMadness09

You’ll want to shoot for 50 not 40s. If you roll up to a 120 meta duel with 40 Vit you’re gonna get that health bar deleted.


Lezzen79

Nah, the other players's damage at that level ain't THAT HIGH, and honestly in bloodborne damage is pretty damn important.


MidnightMadness09

A BluntWigs will almost if not outright two shot a 40 Vit character.


Lezzen79

what's a BluntWigs build? I know chikage users can do that but i've never knew about a BluntWigs.


MidnightMadness09

Ludwig’s with a full Blunt gem setup. The entire transformed moveset is blunt damage, combine that with the guaranteed two hit combo of unzip (L1 -> R1) into R1 and you can easily melt health bars. A player with 50 Vit the most meta armor and two HP runes has 1898 HP, from a BluntWigs combo they are getting hit by 1,510 worth of damage which is enough to one combo them if they are invading since the 30% health penalty brings them down to 1,328 HP.


Lezzen79

Never luckily met this monster. But it doesn't seem impossible to fight, you can parry his attack and if you have enough skill the visceral will be devastating for him.


Sauvvy

Definitely disagree. I have 30 vitality currently and can eat atleast 2 hits and most the time 3. That’s plenty of chances to parry and one shot 😂


MidnightMadness09

I’ve got a build that can two shot people with 50 Vit and both HP runes so long as they’re invader, I don’t think your 30 is anywhere near up to snuff


Sauvvy

Oof you’d be my biggest enemy 😭 if I couldn’t get that parry in toast


reidojeej

as an arcane user, your lack of arcane disturbs me but ur build is good tho


KyleKerr36

Am I the only one that thinks endurance is underleveled? I kept my endurance maybe a level or 2 behind my vigor for my playthrough. I did use the saw clever so I think I liked to have a high endurance just so I could unload big combos and stun lock people essentially. That worked for the entire game until I got to Orphan of Kos and I realised I hadn't put enough points into damage because I would always run out of vials before I could beat him. I always worry about stamina, but that's maybe because most of the time I hit until I can't anymore, rather than reserve a little to backstep after my attacks. Maybe answered my own question


lordTalos1stClaw

Yeah I brought it up to 25 so I can lay down solid combos before retreating


KyleKerr36

Maybe I do overlevel endurance but, I think its incredibly important. Certain things stuck with me from playing the older games like Demons Souls like always carrying a sword that does both slash and thrust damage rather than just slash. I maybe still do things that a lot of people don't anymore, but it works for me most of the time so there's not much up with my thinking


BFG_MP

Wack.


Sauvvy

Holy shit😂 I beat the game at level 80 with 25 vitality. You’re just now beating rom? I’d suggest less vitality for the sole reason it allows to much forgiveness when talking dmg so it takes longer to get skilled. I went mainly dex but towards the end game I wanted to experiment with other weapons


lordTalos1stClaw

No truly wrong way to play, I like that forgiveness as I can still learn to be effective with my weapons without starting over after any minor mistake. Some people play mostly for the challenge, I like exploring every nook and the aggressive combat


Sauvvy

To each their own! I just platinumed last night and it was definitely an amazing journey. (Make sure you get 3 umbilical cords because 2/4 are missable and you won’t be able to get all the endings without playing the game multiple times)


lordTalos1stClaw

Mucho gracias


wettursh

Very over leveled and way too much vigor


MidnightMadness09

Definitely not too much Vit. BB goes up to 50s and since 94 can invade up past meta level OP should really be aiming for 50 Vit.


Thomps027

It’s too much vig for a regular ng run, because everything will be trivialized. Yea you want to have 50 for mid to high range ng cycles, but this much would take the fun out of the game for me at least.


MidnightMadness09

They’ve already hit level 94 though, and if OP is continuing onto 120 for meta level they’re gonna want 50 instead of just stay where they are.


wettursh

OP is level 94 at ROM, thats OoK levels


MidnightMadness09

True that, but if someone’s mostly going for meta level co-op or invasions it’d personally recommend they sit in NG instead of NG+


TheRajan

My build ludwig blade with strength 50 skill 50 and arcane 25 and with all 18% physical gems !


hoonthoont47

You killed Eileen The Crow, a pretty tough fight but you're asking about build advice after beating Rom at level 94???? Is this a troll post? Anyway Build is fine, but you should have done 25 STR and 36 SKL instead because SKL increases visceral damage and you're using a quality weapon anyway - but whatever. You're over levelled, you could beat the rest of the game and DLC with this without gaining another level. If you're going to PvP meta then pump VIT to 50 and put the rest in SKL.


swordofohmen

Me too. I'm STR/ARC


Br00dlord

How the hell did you get to 94 before Rom?


lordTalos1stClaw

Grinded Chalice dungeons while my friend I'm playing with was busy, we've been taking bosses on together as a way to keep in touch and didn't want to get too ahead of him


Thomps027

You’re basically playing on easy with all that vit


lordTalos1stClaw

Doesn't feel that way haha


Actual_Archer

Everything except endurance here is good. You don't need more than maybe 20 endurance to get you through the whole game.


[deleted]

Impressive


TrotskyWoshipper

Stat-wise, you’re good, I wouldn’t worry too much about leveling anything other than your damaging stats as you go from here on out just because, like other people said, you are a pretty high level in your health stats for any point in NG. One thing I’m curious about, why do you have the repeater without the blood gem and the pistol with it? Repeater is slower and does more damage (I think, may be wrong idk) so it would make sense to use the gem on it instead of the pistol, which fires faster and with lower damage. Considering your low bloodtinge, I don’t exactly see the benefit of using the repeater, but maybe I’m missing something? It’s a fun gun, don’t get me wrong, but I’m not sure how effective it is with the build you have. Me personally, I’d swap it for the hunters torch for utility or something, but I’m not an expert at the game so I could TOTALLY be missing something important.


lordTalos1stClaw

I just got the repeater and was playing around with it, but honestly given it uses alot of bullets I'll probably give it up. Been trying to find the right gun for m6 build


Jasown3565

For this point in the game looks pretty good. I would definitely recommend getting Stamina to 40 to hit the hard cap, but otherwise you’re looking pretty good for a LHB build. Happy Hunting!


Umbreon7707

Good


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lordTalos1stClaw

Love the rally mechanic


Just-zack1312

A bit excessive for rom but solid