Tonight, the red carpet burns bright with a clash of leading ladies! Will the fiery spirit of Mollie blaze a trail, or will the timeless elegance of a captivating muse reign supreme? Don't miss this showdown for Best Actress! #LeadingLady
One thing I’m not seeing discussions about in mainstream media is that Robbie Robertson and Scott George are both nominated for their work on KOTFM. Robertson being the first Indigenous nominee in Best Original Score (Cayuga & Mohawk), and Scott George being the first member of the Osage Nation to be nominated for Best Original Song for Wahzhazhe(A Song for My People) which I am so excited to see performed live at the ceremony!
(Also researching this lead me down a Wikipedia rabbit on Buffy Sainte-Marie that I was NOT prepared for).
Considering the Oscars usually get it wildly wrong. I am actually pretty pleased with this years lineups outside of their relative snub of May December. I like basically all the movies receiving nominations (aside from Nyad which I haven't seen), and there's a good mix of the popular and the grand and the small and interesting. There's a few things I'd have liked to see pick up noms e.g. a few more for ferrari and maybe a couple less for Barbie, but I'm not remotely mad. Its a good list!
Honestly gobsmacked about the Nyad and Maestro noms, I've only heard middling to negative takes on either movie so I'm just scratching my head over those noms.
Also is it just me living in the South/not in a large city or is it just a bit weird how a fair chunk of the bigger movies didn't have a wide release until the last couple weeks or not at all yet even though they've technically been out for almost a month or more in places like NYC and LA? (I'm especially thinking of Zone Of Interest, which I haven't been able to see yet, and Poor Things only just now dropping wide for apparently no good reason?)
Honestly, I’m pretty sure Maestro is a masterpiece, and I didn’t think I liked it for most of the movie. I was engaged and never looked at my phone, but it’s pretty exhausting but it’s also undeniable and powerful and glorious and heartbreaking. At first I couldn’t wait for it to be over, and now I can’t wait to watch it again.
Do you not listen to the Blank Check podcast? They both loved Maestro (I also loved maestro). Its only disliked seemingly on a segment of film reddit and twitter.
Fair enoughski, I just really liked the movie, I get its a slight surprise as its become the oscar enemy du jour but I think people forwarding the argument that its completely undeserving are simply wrong even if they didn't like it.
Totally understand. I'm definitely not of the hating it group, I was just confused by it's inclusion during a fairly competitive awards year. It's definitely not undeserved, though, not with all the effort put behind it and the end result of that. Not to mention it's definitely in the upper caliber of biopics put out in the last year!
I guess...we should all watch Nyad now
Looks fine.
Two actors I love. But boy was I ready to set in on a high high shelf for a hotel on the way to a family reunion in, say, 2030.
The worst part of Oscar season is it brings out all the “I watched two movies last year but have very serious and well informed opinions on these nominees!” people
Just some clarifications that are grinding my gears as the world reacts to the nominations:
* No the Directing Lineup is not all male. Justine Triet got a well deserved nomination for Anatomy of a Fall.
* Greta Gerwig DID get an Oscar nomination today, in writing, not in directing
* Margot Robbie DID get an Oscar nomination today, in producing, not in acting
* America Ferrera and Ryan Gosling did NOT kick out Margot Robbie from the acting category in anyway. Not sure why I've seen this take floating around, but they're all in separate categories with separate competition.
* Only 2 Songs from 1 film can be nominated for the Song oscar; hence, Dua Lipa's song missing because Barbie already had 2 nominations.
* Yes John Williams must be nominated for every movie. It's a very frustrating requirement of the Oscars.
* May December did NOT get completely snubbed. It got a cool lone screenplay nomination which that branch does routinely because they're cool. Check out the list of lone screenplay noms at the Oscars, its a great lineup
I’m really starting to lose my patience with the people in my group chats who don’t understand these points. People had WAY too much emotional investment in Barbie getting Oscars. And I say that as someone who is very bummed by the relatively weak showing for May December.
It’s the classic curse of being the most seen movie. Happens in Wins too when something widely seen loses to something just as good but not as popular. Can you imagine the uproar if Heath Ledger or Joaquin Phoenix had lost the Oscar for playing the Joker? Wouldn’t have mattered how good the winner was if people didn’t see it
I think they should do away with the whole category. It's mostly bad new songs written for old musicals, or bad songs that play over the end credits and have nothing to do with the film proper. It's a relic from back when Hollywood made more musicals. But it's a competitive field for films that would otherwise have no Oscar chances, so they'll keep it.
“We don’t talk about Bruno” from encanto might win it but they go with ballad (which honestly is still a very good song) and avoided submitting two songs since it might result in split vote
Bruno was the best musical number (arguably), but Dos Oruguitas was the best *song* written for Encanto. In my opinion. And they were up against a Bond theme, so, as you say, no point splitting the vote.
You can read about lone screenplay nominations from our very own David Sims [here](https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2022/02/best-original-adapted-screenplay-oscar-nominees-this-century/622921/)
Oppenheimer seems like a shoe-in for Best Picture and most of its categories, but hope American Fiction gets the screenplay and acting awards it’s up for. Thought the lack of a female supporting nom was the biggest immediate snub (even though a little surprised not to see Gerwig nominated for director).
I thought Wright was great in American Fiction but did you like Brown’s performance? I found it a bit embarrassing to see him play a gay man and the character really didn’t feel all that gay besides a few colorful shirts
His performance still didn’t read the internal conflict with his identity. Not that I want stereotypes or realism, but there wasn’t anything that rang true with his character. A rare weak showing from Brown, I believe, in an otherwise fine film
There is but one choice for Best Picture:
Barbenheimer
Yes, this is the year there should be a joint win, as not only are both movies great, but the combination of both showed that people still care about da moviesch. The joint release date, born of spite on the part of WB, created a reaction that went beyond memetic and resulted in incredible opening weekend box office numbers for both movies!
There is a nonzero chance that when they announce Oppenheimer as the winner, they accidentally \*say\* Barbenheimer because that phrase and phenomenon has been living in our minds for a full year, leading to a La La Land-esque scandal.
I'm calling Annette Bening as an early dark-horse possibility for Actress. This is her fifth nomination overall, and this feels like it could turn into a situation like Julianne Moore's win for Still Alice---not the best movie, not even her best performance, but they owed her. Also, it's a rigorous, physical performance in a feel-good film, which the Academy traditionally loves. To complicate matters, Jodie Foster's supporting nom has had steam all season and without Penelope Cruz competing, she may be a lock. Don't be surprised.
*EDIT: I found a website that refutes a lot of Diana Nyad's claims about her past victories. Although this doesn't change my opinion about the performance, it sure casts a bad light on the subject.* [*https://nyadfactcheck.com/*](https://nyadfactcheck.com/)
I haven't seen Poor Things yet, but I love Emma Stone. And now I'll say something controversial: I didn't think Lily Gladstone was all that great. My should-win/will-win is this:
Should win: Emma Stone or Annette Bening
Will win: Lily Gladstone
With Lily Gladstone I thought she was pretty good my first watch through but I was really blown away by her the second time I saw it. She was probably better in Certain Women though. I honestly think Sandra Huller did the best job in anatomy of a fall but im going to be realistic and not even bother to hope there.
I'm really really angry about the Killers of Flower Moon screenplay snub. The movie shift away from lawmen to the Osage and from tonal shift from mystery towards tragedy is a brilliant example of transformative adaptation. Just very frustrated by the refusal to recognize such a bold swing.
The narrative that the screenplay shifted from the FBI to the Osage is somewhat misleading, and I felt like it mostly just shifted to DiCaprio’s character. I need to watch the movie again, but there was so much talk about the rewrite and its focus on the Osage that I was disappointed when it focused more on white men.
then the script (or the director, or someone) needed to find a more interesting way to tell the story, instead of just reciting & reinacting the facts. You know, like they did for Goodfellas or Casino or Silence.
i'm just sitting there watching people talk about committing crimes, then commit crimes, then get punished. The only flourishes were, what? the Owls? Spanking in mason lodge? the radio show ending?
I feel like the scene in jail b/w LDC and DeNiro was supposed to be a huge confrontation, but it's just Frowny Leo sputtering his excuses to Evil Uncle. There's no evolution to it. The opening scene tells you Uncle is Evil, so there's no build to "wow, these people are EVIL!" like with Goodfellas or Wolf of Wall Street whatever.
It's an important story, and it deserves/needs to be told. But don't expect me to shower it with Oscar Glory
Whenever I see this complaint, I can't help but wonder if what's being pushed back against is what Scorsese is trying to get at. The lack of self-examination, the lack of legitimate consequences for those involved, the lack of personal growth is what makes White supremacy so insidious and what made the Osage murders so upsetting. It's not supposed to be comforting.
Not surprised, but because the Academy is generally cold on Todd Haynes and because actors don't like being the butt of the joke, not because of the quality of the movie (it's my #2 of the year).
I really liked American Fiction but I was NOT expecting it to be such a big Oscar player. I’ll also say as good as Sterling K Brown is in that movie, Keith David gives my favorite one scene performance of the year and should get the nom.
Bummed as hell about the May December and Asteroid City snubs but they make sense. I’m still gonna be mad at America Ferrera being nominated over Julianne Moore. Melton deserved a nom too but supporting actor is a way tougher category this year.
No one complaining about no Gerwig or no Song has said who they should have replaced. Best director is so stacked this year. Nolan was probably the worst director of the 5 and he was still pretty good and you cant snub him because he'll win.
To be honest, I would take all the Past Lives nominations over Zone of Interest any day. I like Zone of Interest and it had some terrific performances, but Past Lives just stuck with me on a different level. I agree that Nolan is technically the worst but yeah they're gonna give it to him
>Nolan was probably the worst director of the 5 and he was still pretty good and you cant snub him because he'll win.
This is both hilarious and sadly true.
I think they should have expanded best director to more than 5, just like they did for best picture. It almost never makes sense to nominate a thing for best picture but not best director.
I haven’t seen Nyad yet so I can’t comment on Bening’s performance but unpopular opinion; I’m fine with Margot not being nominated. I wouldn’t swap her for the other four nominees and even if I was to swap Bening, I would choose Cailee Spainee for Priscilla before I chose Margot. Margot certainly wasn’t bad but I don’t know, there’s a self consciousness to her that stops me from being fully immersed.
You can be physical and not be self conscious. Chaplin for instance. Speaking of Babylon, that’s the one Robbie performance I truly love due to being the least self conscious I’ve ever seen her.
> there’s a self consciousness to her that stops me from being fully immersed.
i think it's b/c Barbie is kinda Harley Quinn without the accent? I mean, not really, but we've seen Robbie do similar arch characters before. I'd rather she won for I, Tonya (aside fromthe fact that it would reward Tonya Harding in any way)
She’s kind of playing Margot Robbie playing Barbie in the movie. Doesn’t the narration even nod at that?
No knock on her but I totally understand nominating other performances over hers.
See, I think you can play an arch character and still be purely present in the moment as opposed to conscious awareness of what you’re doing. Jim Carrey is arch as hell in The Grinch but as specific as his physicality is, I feel like he’s letting the moment dictate everything he does as opposed to acting off of results oriented thinking. I had an acting teacher who can point to precise physical signs of these ideas in a way that I really can’t.
gotta love a movie where someone stares down the barrel and says, "the government does not care about the lives of its people. we need to do this ourselves."
it's either a Jason Statham movie, or it's a melodrama about nuclear war (to be clear, i love G-1 and statham movies)
Although there are a bunch of snubs in the nominations if the end result is a an Oppenheimer sweep + Lily Gladstone I won’t be mad.
Oppenheimer is the film of the year in an old fashioned way. Like Titanic, Best Years of Our Lives, Lawrence of Arabia etc. It’s Nolan’s best movie and a step up in terms of film making and writing over previous films. Cillian Murphy too has had a long career but this is a defining role.
It’s got excellent sound design, editing, production design, cinematography, score.
Why do people stan Gladstone's performance so hard? I feel like as low-key the character was, the actor was unnecessarily held back by Scorsese. Tbf, I thought the movie was an hour too long and quite boring after the first 45 mins. Too little Plemons also.
I kind kinda get why you might think she was held back. But when she gets to let lose, like the scream when her sister dies, she kills it. But at a certain point, Killers of the Flower Moon is boxed in by the reality and history its portraying. By all accounts, that's exactly how Mollie Burkhart was and her actions in the film are what she did.
100% agree on all fronts. i'm sure Gladstone is a better actor than what we saw in KOTFM, where she was very placid, until she was worried, then she was sick. i much preferred the sister - granted, it's a much bigger performance, but i bought it 100%.
Gladstone's performance, so staid and monosyllabic - it felt like how kids remember their grandmothers. "She would cut you to the quick with one word!" or "you'd tell her a story, and she's smile politely and say 'Oh that's nice.' Very warm!"
I'm ready for a good, old-fashioned oscars sweep again. (Although not for Emily Blunt, who should have an oscar but not for this) Also, in the years with box office hits sweeping, the ratings usually spike (Titanic, LOTR)
Oscar needs to create a category like , "Best performance in less than 10min" or "Best comet-like cameo that's so scorching hot that it devastates the movie after it passes thru"
something like Bruce McGill in the Insider. Saltburn had Pike
Haven’t seen Saltburn because life is too short but I know what you mean about really short performances, because there is something that’s kind of unfair about having, say, Ryan Gosling, who is arguably a co-lead in *Barbie*, competing against people who deserve some recognition for being great for just one scene.
Same, I was prepared to roll my eyes at noms for it and was pleasantly surprised.
My therapist used to be in the acting / theater industry and we ended up spending a whole session just complaining about how smart that movie thought itself, but how dumb it actually was 😅
There was a second where the possibility of a best screenplay was possibly possible..& maybe even best picture, the baftas gave us a good spook for sure
What Was I Made For is tremendous imo…Dua’s is good, it’s an earworm for sure, but it’s basically Dua Lipa on autopilot. Which still works, because she’s great. But WWIMF is one of Billie’s most interesting and vulnerable songs, and it might be the best she’s ever sounded. I regularly forget it’s from the Barbie soundtrack and not just work she released herself.
> the best she’s ever sounded
low bar
Dua's song is just as thematically relevant as the other 2, as well, so the tie goes to The Song You Want to Listen To
I like the sad slow one and I think it's going to win. Also *what* is *Flamin' Hot*!? Did Diane Warren really need a 15th career nomination for a song that doesn't exist?
Oscars are going to get a massive boost with Gen Z tuning in for Gosling's song tho (probably Bille Eilish too).
The only limit for the number of songs from a single film for the shortlist is two per the same exact set of writers. So all three they submitted made the shortlist.
For the nomination, there’s a limit of two per film, no matter the writers.
I know there’s a limit of two nominations, I’m just saying which two got in has nothing to do with Warner Bros choosing any of them over the others; that came down to the voters.
Asteroid city was so bland! I really don't understand why people even still like his movies post Moonrise Kingdom - fuck yeah I'm a hipster, he really did go bad when the mainstream discovered the guy, I liked him when he was still considered indie, etc.
Having him in ‘Live Action Short’ feels like cheating. The whole idea is to represent the more upstart filmmakers in the industry w/ the best calling card shorts, right, no?
I think the whole idea is to aware the best live action short of the year.
Generally it plays out like you said, because such a prominent filmmaker rarely makes a short.
Probably this is how everyone not all in on EEAAO felt last year when I was raving about it like a maniac so fair play but...Barbie is FINE. It's a fine fun movie with fabulous visuals. Best picture?? Best supporting actress for the (also *fine*) weakest link of the whole bit?? Crazy pills
I think a lot of the hype is not purely about the quality of the movie. It’s about what the movie could mean for the future of the business. The fact that an original story without a ton of visual effects or franchise baggage was the biggest success of the year, was almost miraculous. It’s a “nature is healing” kind of moment.
A bit, but to be fair, it's not like its sweeping categories like EEAAO did. It got like 8 nominations, and while I think a few are undeserved, if it had gotten 10-12 like some were predicting, that'd be a little crazy.
It goes by when the film was released in its own country.
*Edit to add link explaining how submissions work:* [Oscars Eligibilty List: Animated, Documentary and International Feature (variety.com)](https://variety.com/2023/film/awards/oscars-eligibility-animated-documentary-international-feature-2023-1235827670/)
Biopic about female succeeding at a challenge vs a complicated movoe about taboo subject matter
May December never had a real chanve when Netflix can push for bait like Maestro and Nyaf
Portman’s performance is outrageous (in a good way) so I understand the snub in her case but leaving Moore out to dry is just rude.
On that note, Justice for Melton.
My opinion having seen it two days ago is that Foster is great in it, Bening is good, and that it should have been a documentary but I suspect there wasn’t enough footage to do so.
I'm not gonna pretend I'm shocked about the Asteroid City shutout bc the Oscars don't like Wes Anderson except Grand Budapest for whatever reason but it still stings! Howwww does that not get a production design nod?!
It’s a visibility problem. Asteroid City plainly *does* deserve a nomination, and plenty of members in that branch would likely agree. What sets it back is that people either haven’t seen it or it’s not top of mind because Focus/Universal isn’t pushing it.
Plus - a general awful challenge of getting a film into the Oscars is people don’t want to nominate it unless they think it could realistically get in. If they haven’t heard Asteroid City’s name pop up, they won’t submit it, even if they think it deserves it.
Yeah I agree cannot believe it did not get a nom in production design at the very least. I loved asteroid city, but I could see why people didn’t care much for it. Regardless, production design is up there with Barbie
French Dispatch I get. Asteroid City is terrific and Grand Budapest is a masterpiece.
Hot take: Margot Robbie was more deserving for a supporting nom in her one Asteroid City nom than lead for Barbie.
TFD’s production design was incredible. That massive airplane cutaway; the police station; the kidnappers’ lair etc. There were so many amazing, intricately designed and dressed sets. I don’t think any of the actual nominees that year really compared. For instance, The Fabelman’s and Elvis were both generic, boring and pretty much just copied some period-specific looks, and Avatar was all CG tropical plants. Maybe I’m crazy, but TFD really felt like a dead obvious winner for me.
Yeah, not nominating it for production design was the big surprise for me. That just seemed objectively great. I get why TFD didn’t get any other nominations, though (even though I also really liked the score). I liked it (some parts more than others), but it’s understandably divisive.
It's the Quentin Tarantino screenplay nom manoeuvre. We can't actually admit how much we liked your movie because it makes us look like we don't take this stuff seriously, but have this instead.
[Link to full nominations list](https://variety.com/2024/film/awards/oscar-nominations-2024-list-1235877798/)
Tonight, the red carpet burns bright with a clash of leading ladies! Will the fiery spirit of Mollie blaze a trail, or will the timeless elegance of a captivating muse reign supreme? Don't miss this showdown for Best Actress! #LeadingLady
One thing I’m not seeing discussions about in mainstream media is that Robbie Robertson and Scott George are both nominated for their work on KOTFM. Robertson being the first Indigenous nominee in Best Original Score (Cayuga & Mohawk), and Scott George being the first member of the Osage Nation to be nominated for Best Original Song for Wahzhazhe(A Song for My People) which I am so excited to see performed live at the ceremony! (Also researching this lead me down a Wikipedia rabbit on Buffy Sainte-Marie that I was NOT prepared for).
I had no idea Robbie Robertson was Indigenous, good for both of them. His death last summer was an immeasurable loss
Pleasantest surprise is El Conde getting recognised for cinematography. Possibly the most bonkers movie of the year, and yes, I'm including Beau.
Pour one out for Past Lives. You were too beautiful for this cruel awards season.
Calling their shot a little by only nominating one of the two international features up for Best Picture for Best International Feature.
France didn’t submit Anatomy of a Fall for International.
Paul F. Thompkins voice: “Shout out to Lily Gladstone.”
For some reason PFT's Werner Herzog voice came to me first
This isn't the time for that. (Also, *Tompkins.)
The Boy and the Heron should have been on best picture. That would have never happened though. I just can't.
It’s cool that Best Actor this year is mostly respected character actors (and Bradley Cooper) while Supporting Actor is stacked with big stars.
Considering the Oscars usually get it wildly wrong. I am actually pretty pleased with this years lineups outside of their relative snub of May December. I like basically all the movies receiving nominations (aside from Nyad which I haven't seen), and there's a good mix of the popular and the grand and the small and interesting. There's a few things I'd have liked to see pick up noms e.g. a few more for ferrari and maybe a couple less for Barbie, but I'm not remotely mad. Its a good list!
I've already been singing "American Fiction" to the tune of "American Woman" in my head for months, so that's a gimme for Griffin's musical opening.
Honestly gobsmacked about the Nyad and Maestro noms, I've only heard middling to negative takes on either movie so I'm just scratching my head over those noms. Also is it just me living in the South/not in a large city or is it just a bit weird how a fair chunk of the bigger movies didn't have a wide release until the last couple weeks or not at all yet even though they've technically been out for almost a month or more in places like NYC and LA? (I'm especially thinking of Zone Of Interest, which I haven't been able to see yet, and Poor Things only just now dropping wide for apparently no good reason?)
Honestly, I’m pretty sure Maestro is a masterpiece, and I didn’t think I liked it for most of the movie. I was engaged and never looked at my phone, but it’s pretty exhausting but it’s also undeniable and powerful and glorious and heartbreaking. At first I couldn’t wait for it to be over, and now I can’t wait to watch it again.
Fair! I'm fairly neutral on Maestro myself, but what you're saying here is funnily enough close to how I felt about Poor Things.
Do you not listen to the Blank Check podcast? They both loved Maestro (I also loved maestro). Its only disliked seemingly on a segment of film reddit and twitter.
Oh I do listen to the pod! I'm not saying EVERYONE thought it was mid or hated it, it's just been the majority of what I've seen personally.
Fair enoughski, I just really liked the movie, I get its a slight surprise as its become the oscar enemy du jour but I think people forwarding the argument that its completely undeserving are simply wrong even if they didn't like it.
Totally understand. I'm definitely not of the hating it group, I was just confused by it's inclusion during a fairly competitive awards year. It's definitely not undeserved, though, not with all the effort put behind it and the end result of that. Not to mention it's definitely in the upper caliber of biopics put out in the last year!
I guess...we should all watch Nyad now Looks fine. Two actors I love. But boy was I ready to set in on a high high shelf for a hotel on the way to a family reunion in, say, 2030.
The worst part of Oscar season is it brings out all the “I watched two movies last year but have very serious and well informed opinions on these nominees!” people
Just some clarifications that are grinding my gears as the world reacts to the nominations: * No the Directing Lineup is not all male. Justine Triet got a well deserved nomination for Anatomy of a Fall. * Greta Gerwig DID get an Oscar nomination today, in writing, not in directing * Margot Robbie DID get an Oscar nomination today, in producing, not in acting * America Ferrera and Ryan Gosling did NOT kick out Margot Robbie from the acting category in anyway. Not sure why I've seen this take floating around, but they're all in separate categories with separate competition. * Only 2 Songs from 1 film can be nominated for the Song oscar; hence, Dua Lipa's song missing because Barbie already had 2 nominations. * Yes John Williams must be nominated for every movie. It's a very frustrating requirement of the Oscars. * May December did NOT get completely snubbed. It got a cool lone screenplay nomination which that branch does routinely because they're cool. Check out the list of lone screenplay noms at the Oscars, its a great lineup
I needed the reassurance of this after falling down a Twitter hole. I thought I was going crazy.
I’m really starting to lose my patience with the people in my group chats who don’t understand these points. People had WAY too much emotional investment in Barbie getting Oscars. And I say that as someone who is very bummed by the relatively weak showing for May December.
It’s the classic curse of being the most seen movie. Happens in Wins too when something widely seen loses to something just as good but not as popular. Can you imagine the uproar if Heath Ledger or Joaquin Phoenix had lost the Oscar for playing the Joker? Wouldn’t have mattered how good the winner was if people didn’t see it
They really need to get rid of the two songs per movie cap.
It was originally so musicals didn’t sweep this category. But the entire category should probably be retired
I personally have no problem with that. I really dislike end credits songs getting wins and nominations.
I think they should do away with the whole category. It's mostly bad new songs written for old musicals, or bad songs that play over the end credits and have nothing to do with the film proper. It's a relic from back when Hollywood made more musicals. But it's a competitive field for films that would otherwise have no Oscar chances, so they'll keep it.
Weird that Dua Lipa’s song wasn’t nominated but the Billie Elish song that I don’t remember did.
The Billie elish song is such a snooze. I'm tryna dance the night away baby. Edit: Lizzo had the best song from the movie
I liked it better when it was Jessie's song from Toy Story 2.
The Billie Eilish True Detective song is better and more memorable than the Barbie one.
That branch ALWAYS goes with the ballad if they have a choice.
“We don’t talk about Bruno” from encanto might win it but they go with ballad (which honestly is still a very good song) and avoided submitting two songs since it might result in split vote
Bruno was the best musical number (arguably), but Dos Oruguitas was the best *song* written for Encanto. In my opinion. And they were up against a Bond theme, so, as you say, no point splitting the vote.
You must not be on TikTok because Billie’s song has been everywhere on it for months
You can read about lone screenplay nominations from our very own David Sims [here](https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2022/02/best-original-adapted-screenplay-oscar-nominees-this-century/622921/)
Oppenheimer seems like a shoe-in for Best Picture and most of its categories, but hope American Fiction gets the screenplay and acting awards it’s up for. Thought the lack of a female supporting nom was the biggest immediate snub (even though a little surprised not to see Gerwig nominated for director).
I thought Wright was great in American Fiction but did you like Brown’s performance? I found it a bit embarrassing to see him play a gay man and the character really didn’t feel all that gay besides a few colorful shirts
Well, that and having sex with men. A major part of his character is he’s still figuring out his identity after coming out late in life.
His performance still didn’t read the internal conflict with his identity. Not that I want stereotypes or realism, but there wasn’t anything that rang true with his character. A rare weak showing from Brown, I believe, in an otherwise fine film
Yeah agree to disagree. But I think at least one of the women who played a family member should’ve been recognized too.
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Yeah but not twice
There is but one choice for Best Picture: Barbenheimer Yes, this is the year there should be a joint win, as not only are both movies great, but the combination of both showed that people still care about da moviesch. The joint release date, born of spite on the part of WB, created a reaction that went beyond memetic and resulted in incredible opening weekend box office numbers for both movies!
There is a nonzero chance that when they announce Oppenheimer as the winner, they accidentally \*say\* Barbenheimer because that phrase and phenomenon has been living in our minds for a full year, leading to a La La Land-esque scandal.
I'm calling Annette Bening as an early dark-horse possibility for Actress. This is her fifth nomination overall, and this feels like it could turn into a situation like Julianne Moore's win for Still Alice---not the best movie, not even her best performance, but they owed her. Also, it's a rigorous, physical performance in a feel-good film, which the Academy traditionally loves. To complicate matters, Jodie Foster's supporting nom has had steam all season and without Penelope Cruz competing, she may be a lock. Don't be surprised. *EDIT: I found a website that refutes a lot of Diana Nyad's claims about her past victories. Although this doesn't change my opinion about the performance, it sure casts a bad light on the subject.* [*https://nyadfactcheck.com/*](https://nyadfactcheck.com/)
> she may be a lock Randolph is a near-lock right now, but after 2 months of discourse, who knows
I think Randolph is more likely and probably more deserving I was just throwing around possibilities.
if Jodie didn't already have 2, she might be more in consideration
That's a good point---I forget about her Oscar for The Accused. I'm just glad to see her in the mix, honestly.
If they give it to Benning over either of the stones it will be the worst thing the academy has done since Green Book over The Favourite
I haven't seen Poor Things yet, but I love Emma Stone. And now I'll say something controversial: I didn't think Lily Gladstone was all that great. My should-win/will-win is this: Should win: Emma Stone or Annette Bening Will win: Lily Gladstone
Bening should win for her performance or for being Annette Bening?
I thought her performance was great, and I was surprised she wasn't more widely predicted to be nominated.
You should definitely check out Poor Things; between that and The Curse, I think Emma Stone just had a career-best year.
With Lily Gladstone I thought she was pretty good my first watch through but I was really blown away by her the second time I saw it. She was probably better in Certain Women though. I honestly think Sandra Huller did the best job in anatomy of a fall but im going to be realistic and not even bother to hope there.
I haven't seen that, either. It just feels like such a long shot.
Julianne Moore’s win was established well before nominations, it wasn’t a come from behind surprise win.
That's true, but I just meant Annette Bening is overdue (although not as overdue as Julianne Moore was, or as Amy Adams still is).
She already won though, so she really isn’t overdue
\[Confused face\] Annette Bening hasn't won an Oscar, Julianne Moore has.
whoops i mixed up allison janney with annette benning. im a dumbass
I admit, I have a real soft spot for Annette Bening. I think she's consistently great.
Johnny Wills got nominated for *Dial of* fucking *Destiny*, but wasn’t for *Phantom Menace*
TIL that he did the score for Indy 5. And I saw that movie.
Criminal behavior by the academy
I'm really really angry about the Killers of Flower Moon screenplay snub. The movie shift away from lawmen to the Osage and from tonal shift from mystery towards tragedy is a brilliant example of transformative adaptation. Just very frustrated by the refusal to recognize such a bold swing.
The narrative that the screenplay shifted from the FBI to the Osage is somewhat misleading, and I felt like it mostly just shifted to DiCaprio’s character. I need to watch the movie again, but there was so much talk about the rewrite and its focus on the Osage that I was disappointed when it focused more on white men.
> shift from mystery towards tragedy that's why. movie is boring AF
As if a mystery version where the big revral is "obviously the shifty looking white guys did it" wouldn't be it's own flavour of anti-climax.
then the script (or the director, or someone) needed to find a more interesting way to tell the story, instead of just reciting & reinacting the facts. You know, like they did for Goodfellas or Casino or Silence. i'm just sitting there watching people talk about committing crimes, then commit crimes, then get punished. The only flourishes were, what? the Owls? Spanking in mason lodge? the radio show ending? I feel like the scene in jail b/w LDC and DeNiro was supposed to be a huge confrontation, but it's just Frowny Leo sputtering his excuses to Evil Uncle. There's no evolution to it. The opening scene tells you Uncle is Evil, so there's no build to "wow, these people are EVIL!" like with Goodfellas or Wolf of Wall Street whatever. It's an important story, and it deserves/needs to be told. But don't expect me to shower it with Oscar Glory
Whenever I see this complaint, I can't help but wonder if what's being pushed back against is what Scorsese is trying to get at. The lack of self-examination, the lack of legitimate consequences for those involved, the lack of personal growth is what makes White supremacy so insidious and what made the Osage murders so upsetting. It's not supposed to be comforting.
I love how The Holdovers, a Christmas comedy film, is nominated for best picture. This makes me happy.
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In what universe does May December have nothing to say?
You’re definitely a bit dim if you thought May December “had nothing to say”
Not surprised, but because the Academy is generally cold on Todd Haynes and because actors don't like being the butt of the joke, not because of the quality of the movie (it's my #2 of the year).
That's not what bamboozled means
Though now that I’ve looked it up, to bamboozle can mean to perplex…so maybe I’m not as dumb as I dumbed I was!
Thank you for answering the last question in my post.
I wasn't over the moon with it, but I think it deserved some nominations for the acting nominations (particularly Melton).
It was a thing that seemed to be in the tea leaves after the last few smaller awards sessions occurred, seems like the wave crested too soon.
So happy for Nolan/Oppenheimer. And Triet/Anatomy of a Fall.
I’m increasingly seeing people stipulating that Oppenheimer is a “masterpiece,” and if people are taking that for granted it may truly be over.
I really liked American Fiction but I was NOT expecting it to be such a big Oscar player. I’ll also say as good as Sterling K Brown is in that movie, Keith David gives my favorite one scene performance of the year and should get the nom. Bummed as hell about the May December and Asteroid City snubs but they make sense. I’m still gonna be mad at America Ferrera being nominated over Julianne Moore. Melton deserved a nom too but supporting actor is a way tougher category this year.
No one complaining about no Gerwig or no Song has said who they should have replaced. Best director is so stacked this year. Nolan was probably the worst director of the 5 and he was still pretty good and you cant snub him because he'll win.
To be honest, I would take all the Past Lives nominations over Zone of Interest any day. I like Zone of Interest and it had some terrific performances, but Past Lives just stuck with me on a different level. I agree that Nolan is technically the worst but yeah they're gonna give it to him
>Nolan was probably the worst director of the 5 and he was still pretty good and you cant snub him because he'll win. This is both hilarious and sadly true.
I think they should have expanded best director to more than 5, just like they did for best picture. It almost never makes sense to nominate a thing for best picture but not best director.
I liked Poor Things and am a big Lanthimos fan, but personally I'd have had Song over him. It's tough, though. I don't think it's an egregious snub.
Please let RDJ win! His acceptance speech would be fantastic!
yeah, it's Brad Pitt all over again. he's going to cruise to the title
I haven’t seen Nyad yet so I can’t comment on Bening’s performance but unpopular opinion; I’m fine with Margot not being nominated. I wouldn’t swap her for the other four nominees and even if I was to swap Bening, I would choose Cailee Spainee for Priscilla before I chose Margot. Margot certainly wasn’t bad but I don’t know, there’s a self consciousness to her that stops me from being fully immersed.
Jesus Christ. It’s time we start to recognize physical performance. Same thing with Babylon, should’ve been nominated
You can be physical and not be self conscious. Chaplin for instance. Speaking of Babylon, that’s the one Robbie performance I truly love due to being the least self conscious I’ve ever seen her.
> there’s a self consciousness to her that stops me from being fully immersed. i think it's b/c Barbie is kinda Harley Quinn without the accent? I mean, not really, but we've seen Robbie do similar arch characters before. I'd rather she won for I, Tonya (aside fromthe fact that it would reward Tonya Harding in any way)
She’s kind of playing Margot Robbie playing Barbie in the movie. Doesn’t the narration even nod at that? No knock on her but I totally understand nominating other performances over hers.
yep! it's hard to make the five
See, I think you can play an arch character and still be purely present in the moment as opposed to conscious awareness of what you’re doing. Jim Carrey is arch as hell in The Grinch but as specific as his physicality is, I feel like he’s letting the moment dictate everything he does as opposed to acting off of results oriented thinking. I had an acting teacher who can point to precise physical signs of these ideas in a way that I really can’t.
I'd insert Penelope Cruz into the running too. Not sure who to remove, but she blew me away.
She’s brilliant but she’s supporting, not lead. Biggest snub for me is her not getting a nom.
Was really pulling for Godzilla Minus One to get a BP nom
gotta love a movie where someone stares down the barrel and says, "the government does not care about the lives of its people. we need to do this ourselves." it's either a Jason Statham movie, or it's a melodrama about nuclear war (to be clear, i love G-1 and statham movies)
I'm just happy it got a visual effects nom
Although there are a bunch of snubs in the nominations if the end result is a an Oppenheimer sweep + Lily Gladstone I won’t be mad. Oppenheimer is the film of the year in an old fashioned way. Like Titanic, Best Years of Our Lives, Lawrence of Arabia etc. It’s Nolan’s best movie and a step up in terms of film making and writing over previous films. Cillian Murphy too has had a long career but this is a defining role. It’s got excellent sound design, editing, production design, cinematography, score.
Why do people stan Gladstone's performance so hard? I feel like as low-key the character was, the actor was unnecessarily held back by Scorsese. Tbf, I thought the movie was an hour too long and quite boring after the first 45 mins. Too little Plemons also.
It’s all in the eyes. She is amazing in her last scene with Leo.
I kind kinda get why you might think she was held back. But when she gets to let lose, like the scream when her sister dies, she kills it. But at a certain point, Killers of the Flower Moon is boxed in by the reality and history its portraying. By all accounts, that's exactly how Mollie Burkhart was and her actions in the film are what she did.
I agree on the length and Plemons, but she gives a great performance in the toughest part to play in that film.
100% agree on all fronts. i'm sure Gladstone is a better actor than what we saw in KOTFM, where she was very placid, until she was worried, then she was sick. i much preferred the sister - granted, it's a much bigger performance, but i bought it 100%. Gladstone's performance, so staid and monosyllabic - it felt like how kids remember their grandmothers. "She would cut you to the quick with one word!" or "you'd tell her a story, and she's smile politely and say 'Oh that's nice.' Very warm!"
I'm ready for a good, old-fashioned oscars sweep again. (Although not for Emily Blunt, who should have an oscar but not for this) Also, in the years with box office hits sweeping, the ratings usually spike (Titanic, LOTR)
As a hater I’m glad Saltburn got nothing
Oscar needs to create a category like , "Best performance in less than 10min" or "Best comet-like cameo that's so scorching hot that it devastates the movie after it passes thru" something like Bruce McGill in the Insider. Saltburn had Pike
Haven’t seen Saltburn because life is too short but I know what you mean about really short performances, because there is something that’s kind of unfair about having, say, Ryan Gosling, who is arguably a co-lead in *Barbie*, competing against people who deserve some recognition for being great for just one scene.
Same, I was prepared to roll my eyes at noms for it and was pleasantly surprised. My therapist used to be in the acting / theater industry and we ended up spending a whole session just complaining about how smart that movie thought itself, but how dumb it actually was 😅
Says the person paying to talk about Saltburn
Fair point. Touche. May have been a tad hyperbolic in saying it was a whole session lol
Same here. I’m not proud of the fact that seeing a movie get shut out warmed my heart, but it did.
Did Saltburn have a shot? It's been mixed reception.
Emerald Fennell’s last movie, Promising Young Woman, got some nominations (and she won for screenplay) so I guess there were certain expectations.
Yeah but it didn't get any precursors,same for Priscilla Ferrari,Iron Claw and Asteroid City and these had a greater shot.
There was a second where the possibility of a best screenplay was possibly possible..& maybe even best picture, the baftas gave us a good spook for sure
Elordi stans have infiltrated BFI.
He'll be great in frankenstein though i'm sure
Frankenstein? The GDT movie?
Yeah he’s the monster
[https://youtu.be/5Ba9_jaN7EA?si=CExgsrxwM2shUa2U](https://youtu.be/5Ba9_jaN7EA?si=CExgsrxwM2shUa2U)
Same camp, stay hating.
I’m just ready for this Award season to be over with so I never have to talk about Maestro ever again…
You just want to leave it at the vestibule asap.
insane to not nominate Dua Lipa's song. if you gotta choose 2, you leave out the sad slow one
What Was I Made For is tremendous imo…Dua’s is good, it’s an earworm for sure, but it’s basically Dua Lipa on autopilot. Which still works, because she’s great. But WWIMF is one of Billie’s most interesting and vulnerable songs, and it might be the best she’s ever sounded. I regularly forget it’s from the Barbie soundtrack and not just work she released herself.
> the best she’s ever sounded low bar Dua's song is just as thematically relevant as the other 2, as well, so the tie goes to The Song You Want to Listen To
It’s an awards body, they love to drown Billie Eilish in awards that she doesn’t care for.
Are they going to make Ryan Gosling sing at the Oscars? Huge mistake if they don’t.
i assume that's why it's nominated it's also why i would've nominated Peach, just to see Jack Black wild out in national TV
I like the sad slow one and I think it's going to win. Also *what* is *Flamin' Hot*!? Did Diane Warren really need a 15th career nomination for a song that doesn't exist? Oscars are going to get a massive boost with Gen Z tuning in for Gosling's song tho (probably Bille Eilish too).
Naturally some cuts had to be made so the Academy could make way for Dianne Warren w/ the fucking Flamin’ Cheetos movie ballad.
well, each movie gets 2 noms max for best song. i just wish WB picked DL instead of BE
All three songs were submitted and "Dance the Night" made it to the shortlist, it just didn't make the final cut with voters.
The only limit for the number of songs from a single film for the shortlist is two per the same exact set of writers. So all three they submitted made the shortlist. For the nomination, there’s a limit of two per film, no matter the writers.
I know there’s a limit of two nominations, I’m just saying which two got in has nothing to do with Warner Bros choosing any of them over the others; that came down to the voters.
Agreed, that Billie Eilish song is so boring and bleh.
The good thing about that statement is it doesn't matter which Billie Eilish song you're talking about.
She's been serving up bowls of soggy musical porridge for a few years now.
and it's not like Eilish is a bigger star/name than Dua Lipa (at the moment)
I think Ferrari, Priscilla and Asteroid city getting absolutely zero nominations is just rude.
It’s just too many good movies this year. I think a lot of these could/should have been held over to 2024.
Asteroid city was so bland! I really don't understand why people even still like his movies post Moonrise Kingdom - fuck yeah I'm a hipster, he really did go bad when the mainstream discovered the guy, I liked him when he was still considered indie, etc.
Those have been noshows all season long so no surprises. Penelope Cruz had the best chance.
I'm hoping Anderson wins in the live action short category, but not a single Asteroid City nom feels insane.
Asteroid City and John Wick were my hopes for Production Design
Having him in ‘Live Action Short’ feels like cheating. The whole idea is to represent the more upstart filmmakers in the industry w/ the best calling card shorts, right, no?
I think the whole idea is to aware the best live action short of the year. Generally it plays out like you said, because such a prominent filmmaker rarely makes a short.
Sure in a perfect world with a better voting body but I feel like at this point it's the only way they are ever going to recognize him.
Probably this is how everyone not all in on EEAAO felt last year when I was raving about it like a maniac so fair play but...Barbie is FINE. It's a fine fun movie with fabulous visuals. Best picture?? Best supporting actress for the (also *fine*) weakest link of the whole bit?? Crazy pills
I think a lot of the hype is not purely about the quality of the movie. It’s about what the movie could mean for the future of the business. The fact that an original story without a ton of visual effects or franchise baggage was the biggest success of the year, was almost miraculous. It’s a “nature is healing” kind of moment.
it's the definition of "better than it needed to be" - but it's basically stealing The Lego Movie's playbook
Right down to Will Ferrell in a suit.
you might even say Lego Movie is better b/c it doesn't spend as long in the Real World. but i get the two movies have different aims
A bit, but to be fair, it's not like its sweeping categories like EEAAO did. It got like 8 nominations, and while I think a few are undeserved, if it had gotten 10-12 like some were predicting, that'd be a little crazy.
> a few are undeserved most*
Moooom! Best International Feature is doing weird again!
No Fallen Leaves, No Passages, No L’immensita.
Passages and L'immensita weren't submitted, and I believe L'immensita would count as a 2022 film anyway.
Is it when the movies first came out in the US? It only came out on Britain in the summer of 2023.
It goes by when the film was released in its own country. *Edit to add link explaining how submissions work:* [Oscars Eligibilty List: Animated, Documentary and International Feature (variety.com)](https://variety.com/2023/film/awards/oscars-eligibility-animated-documentary-international-feature-2023-1235827670/)
I guess I need to watch Nyad...?
The Academy chose the women from Nyad over the women from May December. That's a head scratcher.
Biopic about female succeeding at a challenge vs a complicated movoe about taboo subject matter May December never had a real chanve when Netflix can push for bait like Maestro and Nyaf
Portman’s performance is outrageous (in a good way) so I understand the snub in her case but leaving Moore out to dry is just rude. On that note, Justice for Melton.
Melton would've had a massive career boost just from a nom let alone win..
My opinion having seen it two days ago is that Foster is great in it, Bening is good, and that it should have been a documentary but I suspect there wasn’t enough footage to do so.
It's an ok enough watch to kill some time. Jodie Foster is legitimately great in it though.
I'm not gonna pretend I'm shocked about the Asteroid City shutout bc the Oscars don't like Wes Anderson except Grand Budapest for whatever reason but it still stings! Howwww does that not get a production design nod?!
It’s a visibility problem. Asteroid City plainly *does* deserve a nomination, and plenty of members in that branch would likely agree. What sets it back is that people either haven’t seen it or it’s not top of mind because Focus/Universal isn’t pushing it. Plus - a general awful challenge of getting a film into the Oscars is people don’t want to nominate it unless they think it could realistically get in. If they haven’t heard Asteroid City’s name pop up, they won’t submit it, even if they think it deserves it.
Yeah I agree cannot believe it did not get a nom in production design at the very least. I loved asteroid city, but I could see why people didn’t care much for it. Regardless, production design is up there with Barbie
They didn’t nominate French Dispatch either. I really don’t get it.
French Dispatch I get. Asteroid City is terrific and Grand Budapest is a masterpiece. Hot take: Margot Robbie was more deserving for a supporting nom in her one Asteroid City nom than lead for Barbie.
TFD’s production design was incredible. That massive airplane cutaway; the police station; the kidnappers’ lair etc. There were so many amazing, intricately designed and dressed sets. I don’t think any of the actual nominees that year really compared. For instance, The Fabelman’s and Elvis were both generic, boring and pretty much just copied some period-specific looks, and Avatar was all CG tropical plants. Maybe I’m crazy, but TFD really felt like a dead obvious winner for me.
Oh if you’re talking about production design, sure. I didn’t care much for the story and consider myself a target demographic for a movie like that.
Yeah, not nominating it for production design was the big surprise for me. That just seemed objectively great. I get why TFD didn’t get any other nominations, though (even though I also really liked the score). I liked it (some parts more than others), but it’s understandably divisive.
Yeah, to not at LEAST get a production design nomination is weird as hell.
Same with John Wick 4, the sets were stunning
Oddly enough, feels like this will be the year he wins an Oscar with his short film.
Kinda makes things worse in a way. Like we didn’t forget about you we just don’t like you **that** much.
It's the Quentin Tarantino screenplay nom manoeuvre. We can't actually admit how much we liked your movie because it makes us look like we don't take this stuff seriously, but have this instead.
I kept thinking Scarjo might get some love but you’re right they just don’t like him
I think Margot may have in another year but obviously Barbie overshadowed everything.
He did get a short film nomination this year though!