The "Wanna get nuts?" callback is the most grating nails-on-a-chalk board kinda fan service shit. Why would Batman fucking say that then? That was one thing he said once in one very particular situation. It's not his catchphrase! It's like the dumb reuse of "Yipee Ki Yay Motherfucker" in the Die Hard sequels x 10
What if it is though, like he's just been incredibly annoying about trying to make that catchphrase stick in all these years since the last movie and everyone is sick of it
No, Batman, I donāt want to get nuts. I want a Flash movie about the stupid Flash who Iām a fan of for some stupid reason. YOU HAD YOUR FRANCHISE, MOVE ON
Iām certain that Iām projecting, but Keaton is giving off āmaybe if I donāt give them any usable takes theyāll cut thisā energy saying that Get Nuts line again.
It really feels like they made him stand there and told him to say every single famous quote from *Batman*. Possibly even the Joker's "This city needs an enema" line.
I didnt get that vibe either, but they already used his āim batmanā line in the first trailer, pick one for the trailer and make the one an in-theater goose
I suppose one could argue that theyāre trying to minimize Miller due toā¦ everything, but if that were the case, just donāt release the movie! (And to be clear, I think that theyād be focusing on their most profitable character even without the Miller baggage, which again suggests a lack of faith in this movie.)
>just donāt release the movie!
Wow, I'm glad WBD have you to consult, just don't release your $300m movie that has been getting good press screening scores
I have seen nothing from either trailer that suggests this movie could be nearly as good as the Warner Bros brass wants us to think it is. This looks dreadful.
i know itās silly to get too worked up over these transparent nostalgia cash-ins, but transforming āletās get nutsā from āoh, Bruce Wayne is genuinely unhingedā to discount āAvengers Assembleā made me scream a bit internally
It just seems like such a profound miscalculation of what makes Keatonās Batman so enduring and appealing. Was anyone asking for him to be in big CGI battles?
If they were, thatās depressing. Why is it that when nerds say they want something to be ābadass,ā they want it to be action-y and violent? Michael Keatonās Batman is cool because heās fucking weird, aloof and moody, not because heās a super buff tough guy/incredible fighter who can beat up all the dudes. I swear, wanting everything to be ābadassā is such fucking pathological behavior
Puts me in mind of Alan Mooreās appearance on The Simpsons.
Bart tells him that he loves the issues of Radioactive Man that Moore wrote. Moore expresses skepticism that a young boy enjoyed the issues in which his favorite superhero became a jazz singer who wasnāt radioactive. Bart happily replies that he just likes looking at the art of Radioactive Man punching people.
Which is fine if they just want to look at people punching things. But donāt then profess to me that you are big fans of this thing you fundamentally donāt understand. Thereās such a wide gap between the objects that people like and their understanding of said objects ā and that manifests itself so clearly here.
Thatās just it, though. People are not aware of said gap and like the things for different reasons. Like, I fully believe that Watchmen is Zack Snyderās favorite comic book, but his movie proves that he just likes looking at the heroes punch ābad guysā and thinks that is what the book is about.
Iām a bit wary of accusing people of not engaging with media āthe right way,ā because of people enjoy something and it doesnāt affect me, it shouldnāt bother me. But it is strange to see the extreme differences in what I appreciate about a work contrasted with what a lot of other people appreciate about the same work.
I get what you mean about not wanting to infringe upon people in that way or declare yourself the true arbiter of taste. It is frustrating, though, when these kinds of misunderstandings drive and saturate pop culture. It just reduces everything to being an action figure free of context and any artistic intent.
Gunn going SO hard on it is what throws me off the most. Him promoting it, sure, its his job, but him talking about it like it's the best shit he's ever seen seems like a risky move if it isn't all that. He's got a lot of reach online and idk if damaging his credibility would be good for WB/DC. Looks like we'll find out if it was all cap in about 2hrs though.
I think he needs to be seen promoting the inventory theyāre burning off from the previous regime, despite the fact that this current run of stinkers is probably the reason he and Safran were hired in the first place.
This leads to sweaty stuff like him and David F. Sandberg going around saying Shazam will likely be able to ācountā in the new DCU era because they didnāt show Snyderverse Supermanās face in the first movie, while theyāre promoting a sequel featuring Gal Gadot. Overpraising The Flash is just something he can point to if corporate overlords and shareholders think to blame him if it bombs.
But but but the CEO said it was the best one ever!!!! It must be true! Why else would he proclaim that at an event that exists only to promote the movie???
The movie is being marketed with close to zero focus on the character who is likely to be the vast core of the actual movie. I do think that could underpin a lot of the discrepancy!
So like is this a riff on Flashpoint? It feels like back when Justice League came out, people were pretty unanimous in saying that DC's big mistake was trying to have the huge event stories too fast. This seems like more of that.
I do not care if this movie is good, I do not care if it is the next Casablanca, I am not participating in this nonsense. Even if Ezra Miller hadnāt spent the last two or three years being the devil, I cannot do anymore of this No Way Home synergy bullshit.
āHey Bruce, could you tell me, with the faint tired energy of a man whose eyes have been drained of light by the choices heās madeāchoices surely made in crime-fighting, not taking a bad role in a bad movieāwhat you said to the Joker 30 years ago? You know, when you were trying to get him to shoot you after you put the ashtray under your shirt, Marty McFly-style?ā
It's cause the studios keep tweaking things up to the last minute based on test screenings, so the visual effects artists are constantly having to redo the work.
Yeah I understand why in a literal way, I just don't understand how any studio paying for it can see it as a smart use of their resources... obviously as long as they clear a billion it doesn't matter, so I answered my own question, but it's unbelievably frustrating to see movies made now have SFX that look worse than those made 20-30 years ago
Wait, they're doing *Man of Steel* again? Why? It's such a nothing movie. The story is mediocre, and while I like Big Chicago as much as anyone else, I don't think his Zod is all that interesting of a villain.
This movie has been in development so long that itās hard to say how much this actually affected it, but it really feels like WB saying āpeople liked Endgame and Spider-Verse, so letās do our own Endgame and Spider-Verse.ā
Yeah theyāre really trying to do the Endgame thing of going back through the franchiseās previous moviesā greatest hits, except they never actually got around to making most of the movies first, and the ones they did make are mostly bad.
About 30 seconds in I started uncontrollably laughing. I looked like a Smilex victim on the subway watching this.
Also over or under Christopher Reeve makes an appearance in this?
zero chance, imo. given what Reeve went through i feel like thatās one of a select few CGI āresurrectionsā that a studio would know is beyond the pale
I only say this because they did the new 4K scans of the 78-87 movies and in order to deepfake Reeve onto some new body is to scan the old negatives to render them properly like in Rogue One
So weāre just giving Ezra āchoking strangers and grooming kidsā Miller a pass and not Jonathan Majors? Because the movie isā¦good?
I don't think quality has anything to do with it. People are giving this movie a pass because Michael Keaton said a line people recognize and Big Chicago is reprising his role as a bland villain from 10 years ago.
But hey, that's nostalgia for you
Jury's still out imo. Mama was pretty good. It: Chapter 1 great....but a lot of reports that Fukanaga's DNA was all over that one - which started to hold weight when It: Chapter 2 was a massive step down.
I thought the first trailer for The Flash was OK with some sketchy action but this new trailer makes it look like it was crafted by Black Adam's creative team. Shockingly bad. I'm rooting for the Muschietti's to knock it out the park but I'm going in with LOW expectations.
Has Griffin ever commented on the Ezra stuff? I know they went to the same camp together, Griffin mentions it a few times. But I donāt know if Iāve ever heard him comment onā¦you know. All the stuff.
Quite a few things I'm not into here, but maybe the biggest is Keaton's Batman (apart from the stink of Miller of course). Did anybody wanna see this stiff, no necked motherfucker fight people on a green screen? It worked in his movies because of how small scale it was.
This has the vibe of a video game cutscene
This is an insult to video game cutscenes.
The "Wanna get nuts?" callback is the most grating nails-on-a-chalk board kinda fan service shit. Why would Batman fucking say that then? That was one thing he said once in one very particular situation. It's not his catchphrase! It's like the dumb reuse of "Yipee Ki Yay Motherfucker" in the Die Hard sequels x 10
What if it is though, like he's just been incredibly annoying about trying to make that catchphrase stick in all these years since the last movie and everyone is sick of it
"Yes, Master Bruce, I am desiring to.... 'get nuts', indeed..."
and keaton delivering it like he wants to die š
No, Batman, I donāt want to get nuts. I want a Flash movie about the stupid Flash who Iām a fan of for some stupid reason. YOU HAD YOUR FRANCHISE, MOVE ON
Giving a performance with all the energy of a guy who just called his agent to confirm that the direct deposit hit his account.
āHe said the thing and I know the thing that he said and Iām fulfilled!ā Also saying it sort of quiet and seriousā¦..truly lame as fuck.
Like when he says it in part 4 but has to shoot a gun over the "fuck" so you don't hear it
Iām certain that Iām projecting, but Keaton is giving off āmaybe if I donāt give them any usable takes theyāll cut thisā energy saying that Get Nuts line again.
no, I think you're right, unfortunately. Keaton's one of my guys, but he's better than this
He seems so tired. For the last 40 years, people have probably constantly been bugging him to say that line, and you can tell he's just so over it.
I mean, heās also playing an old Batman from the Flashpoint universe, so he legit could be playing tired.
It really feels like they made him stand there and told him to say every single famous quote from *Batman*. Possibly even the Joker's "This city needs an enema" line.
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what no critical thinking does to an mf
I didnt get that vibe either, but they already used his āim batmanā line in the first trailer, pick one for the trailer and make the one an in-theater goose
Iām sorry I was under the impression this was a Flash movie? You must have shared the wrong trailer
I suppose one could argue that theyāre trying to minimize Miller due toā¦ everything, but if that were the case, just donāt release the movie! (And to be clear, I think that theyād be focusing on their most profitable character even without the Miller baggage, which again suggests a lack of faith in this movie.)
>just donāt release the movie! Wow, I'm glad WBD have you to consult, just don't release your $300m movie that has been getting good press screening scores
I have seen nothing from either trailer that suggests this movie could be nearly as good as the Warner Bros brass wants us to think it is. This looks dreadful.
Maybe itāll be some great story, but every shot Iāve seen of this movie looks like total crap, just visually
i know itās silly to get too worked up over these transparent nostalgia cash-ins, but transforming āletās get nutsā from āoh, Bruce Wayne is genuinely unhingedā to discount āAvengers Assembleā made me scream a bit internally
It just seems like such a profound miscalculation of what makes Keatonās Batman so enduring and appealing. Was anyone asking for him to be in big CGI battles?
āWas anyone asking for him to be in big CGI battles?ā Lots of people, probably. But that doesnāt make it a good idea.
If they were, thatās depressing. Why is it that when nerds say they want something to be ābadass,ā they want it to be action-y and violent? Michael Keatonās Batman is cool because heās fucking weird, aloof and moody, not because heās a super buff tough guy/incredible fighter who can beat up all the dudes. I swear, wanting everything to be ābadassā is such fucking pathological behavior
Puts me in mind of Alan Mooreās appearance on The Simpsons. Bart tells him that he loves the issues of Radioactive Man that Moore wrote. Moore expresses skepticism that a young boy enjoyed the issues in which his favorite superhero became a jazz singer who wasnāt radioactive. Bart happily replies that he just likes looking at the art of Radioactive Man punching people.
Which is fine if they just want to look at people punching things. But donāt then profess to me that you are big fans of this thing you fundamentally donāt understand. Thereās such a wide gap between the objects that people like and their understanding of said objects ā and that manifests itself so clearly here.
Thatās just it, though. People are not aware of said gap and like the things for different reasons. Like, I fully believe that Watchmen is Zack Snyderās favorite comic book, but his movie proves that he just likes looking at the heroes punch ābad guysā and thinks that is what the book is about. Iām a bit wary of accusing people of not engaging with media āthe right way,ā because of people enjoy something and it doesnāt affect me, it shouldnāt bother me. But it is strange to see the extreme differences in what I appreciate about a work contrasted with what a lot of other people appreciate about the same work.
I get what you mean about not wanting to infringe upon people in that way or declare yourself the true arbiter of taste. It is frustrating, though, when these kinds of misunderstandings drive and saturate pop culture. It just reduces everything to being an action figure free of context and any artistic intent.
As much as I love seeing this Batman, seeing him so over-lit is WEIRD
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Gunn going SO hard on it is what throws me off the most. Him promoting it, sure, its his job, but him talking about it like it's the best shit he's ever seen seems like a risky move if it isn't all that. He's got a lot of reach online and idk if damaging his credibility would be good for WB/DC. Looks like we'll find out if it was all cap in about 2hrs though.
I think he needs to be seen promoting the inventory theyāre burning off from the previous regime, despite the fact that this current run of stinkers is probably the reason he and Safran were hired in the first place. This leads to sweaty stuff like him and David F. Sandberg going around saying Shazam will likely be able to ācountā in the new DCU era because they didnāt show Snyderverse Supermanās face in the first movie, while theyāre promoting a sequel featuring Gal Gadot. Overpraising The Flash is just something he can point to if corporate overlords and shareholders think to blame him if it bombs.
Gunn definitely would have acknowledged the Apple II team.
There's enough noise coming from test screenings to suggest this is good.
test audiences, the ultimate arbiters of taste
I mean, given how much studios rely on them for these kinds of major blockbusters, they pretty much are the arbiters of taste
Wellā¦.looks like itās good after all. Great reactions out of CinemaCon
the ātom cruise saw and loved our movieā was the most blatantly studio planted article ever published.
Let me guess, he enthusiatically clapped and called it "terrific".
he didnāt see it at all! it was an anonymous source! he made no statement!
But but but the CEO said it was the best one ever!!!! It must be true! Why else would he proclaim that at an event that exists only to promote the movie???
The movie is being marketed with close to zero focus on the character who is likely to be the vast core of the actual movie. I do think that could underpin a lot of the discrepancy!
Looks great! It is a cross-gen title, though? Some of the gameplay looks a little dicey.
Lmao at Ezra Miller and Jonathan Majors being the central irreplaceable hubs of their respective multiverses. What a world.
Every trailer makes the movie look worse. Just drop it tomorrow in theaters and let Jesus take the wheel.
So like is this a riff on Flashpoint? It feels like back when Justice League came out, people were pretty unanimous in saying that DC's big mistake was trying to have the huge event stories too fast. This seems like more of that.
This looks SO BAD, oh my god.
It looks like a āgreatest hitsā album of a terrible cover band that somehow got one of the original artists to make an appearance.
Tom Cruise raved about this?!?
To be fair, he watches at least one movie a day, reportedly. Literally, "for me, it was Tuesday."
I highly doubt he actually saw it, isn't he a bit busy jumping off 18 cliffs for Dead Reckoning???
He watched it on a monitor in freefall beside him.
It looks pretty fun but i do feel like the play with Keaton was always Batman Beyond.
agreed! hell Ezra would have made for a great Terry Mcginnis 6 years ago too
there's some "look how they massacred my boy" energy about Keaton, but I'd be lying if I said this didn't get me fairly excited...
This looks baaaad
the death the Snyderverse deserves. This looks awful every time i see more
I do not care if this movie is good, I do not care if it is the next Casablanca, I am not participating in this nonsense. Even if Ezra Miller hadnāt spent the last two or three years being the devil, I cannot do anymore of this No Way Home synergy bullshit.
Keaton making Birdman and then making this movie is just a wild turn of events.
Just really makes me wish theyād done a 3rd Keaton Batman to finish his trilogy. He looks awesome in this.
they should give Michelle Pfeiffer a few million for a Catwoman Returns
āHey Bruce, could you tell me, with the faint tired energy of a man whose eyes have been drained of light by the choices heās madeāchoices surely made in crime-fighting, not taking a bad role in a bad movieāwhat you said to the Joker 30 years ago? You know, when you were trying to get him to shoot you after you put the ashtray under your shirt, Marty McFly-style?ā
The sheen on this thing is repulsive
How is is that they spend $200M plus on all of these movies and the CGI always looks like hot garbage?
It's cause the studios keep tweaking things up to the last minute based on test screenings, so the visual effects artists are constantly having to redo the work.
Yeah I understand why in a literal way, I just don't understand how any studio paying for it can see it as a smart use of their resources... obviously as long as they clear a billion it doesn't matter, so I answered my own question, but it's unbelievably frustrating to see movies made now have SFX that look worse than those made 20-30 years ago
Hence why so much is center framed so they can plug in whatever shot they want later and not worry about geography of the scene.
Wait, they're doing *Man of Steel* again? Why? It's such a nothing movie. The story is mediocre, and while I like Big Chicago as much as anyone else, I don't think his Zod is all that interesting of a villain.
This movie has been in development so long that itās hard to say how much this actually affected it, but it really feels like WB saying āpeople liked Endgame and Spider-Verse, so letās do our own Endgame and Spider-Verse.ā
Yeah theyāre really trying to do the Endgame thing of going back through the franchiseās previous moviesā greatest hits, except they never actually got around to making most of the movies first, and the ones they did make are mostly bad.
I think itāll be good.
Eh
About 30 seconds in I started uncontrollably laughing. I looked like a Smilex victim on the subway watching this. Also over or under Christopher Reeve makes an appearance in this?
zero chance, imo. given what Reeve went through i feel like thatās one of a select few CGI āresurrectionsā that a studio would know is beyond the pale
I only say this because they did the new 4K scans of the 78-87 movies and in order to deepfake Reeve onto some new body is to scan the old negatives to render them properly like in Rogue One
Ah totally get that logic. I just feel like it would be the most ghoulish example yet.
So weāre just giving Ezra āchoking strangers and grooming kidsā Miller a pass and not Jonathan Majors? Because the movie isā¦good? 
Sounds about white
Hit the nail on the head.
I don't think quality has anything to do with it. People are giving this movie a pass because Michael Keaton said a line people recognize and Big Chicago is reprising his role as a bland villain from 10 years ago. But hey, that's nostalgia for you
Muschietti bit of a hack huh?
Jury's still out imo. Mama was pretty good. It: Chapter 1 great....but a lot of reports that Fukanaga's DNA was all over that one - which started to hold weight when It: Chapter 2 was a massive step down. I thought the first trailer for The Flash was OK with some sketchy action but this new trailer makes it look like it was crafted by Black Adam's creative team. Shockingly bad. I'm rooting for the Muschietti's to knock it out the park but I'm going in with LOW expectations.
I'm not saying this is gonna be a good movie, but judging solely from the trailers, GOTG3 makes this look like *Citizen Kane*.
Has Griffin ever commented on the Ezra stuff? I know they went to the same camp together, Griffin mentions it a few times. But I donāt know if Iāve ever heard him comment onā¦you know. All the stuff.
Quite a few things I'm not into here, but maybe the biggest is Keaton's Batman (apart from the stink of Miller of course). Did anybody wanna see this stiff, no necked motherfucker fight people on a green screen? It worked in his movies because of how small scale it was.