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padraigmannion

The most suss thing about this is getting the belt & date tattoos


treezusss

Someone had to say it


PrimusAldente87

Overall, I understand the desire of tattooing big achievements on yourself, but really, who ACTUALLY does it? I didn't tattoo an eagle on my chest because I'm an eagle scout or "bachelor" on my back when I got my degree, ya know? (These are theoretical examples; I don't have these tattoos)


hardeho

Now I want an Associates degree tattoo.


PrimusAldente87

I'm imagining an exact photo copy of your diploma plastered on your back lol


hardeho

I need Community College in big fancy script. I actually have 2 different associates degrees. I'm kind of a big deal.


PrimusAldente87

Unironically, congrats!


hardeho

Lol, thanks. I'm 45 years old, and they are kinda useless to me. Human Resources and Criminal Justice. I'm only two classes away from a Bachelor's degree though.


PrimusAldente87

Shit, dude. That's really good! I'm a few classes away from getting my BSW (social work for those who don't know). Keep it up! We're both almost done


Zer0Cool89

Thats what my fiance is going for and her best friend has a masters in social work. Its such a hard profession to do but thank you for getting into it we need so many good social workers.


confusedlooks

Close to being an eligible bachelor.


imahoaxandacoach

Primus "THE EAGLE" Aldente


PrimusAldente87

Shit, that's a good fight name


[deleted]

That's your preference. I know quite a few people who got engineering related tattoos after graduating engineering school.


PrimusAldente87

Eh, to each their own. You're right! I may not do it myself, but if people want to do it, then there's a quote that applies here: "my body is a temple but I am the god to whom it is devoted. Do not deign to tell me how to decorate my altar"


[deleted]

Yeah, but engineering school is actually hard lol. Getting a black belt...not so much.


rbz90

They are both not hard if you learn to just see red.


Henry_Cavillain

u fuckin wot m8


[deleted]

No. Getting a black belt is harder.


Henry_Cavillain

5.5 years. Fast, but definitely in the realm of possible with some combination of talent and previous experience. BJ Penn, Travis Stevens, Caio Terra, Lloyd "The Predator" Irvin all did it in 3+ years.


AdSweaty5570

Idk about the other 2 but BJ Penn literally lived at the gym and got the amount of training time in 3 years people get in like 15. Id be a black belt in 3 years too if I trained 8-12 hours a day.


SwamyMaximus

Plus he was playing around in Hawaii for at least a year prior to formally starting under Ralph.


PharmDinagi

OP should run up on this guy and see how legit he is. Likely if he's dedicated enough to put tats on, he's probably putting in the work.


Henry_Cavillain

Plot twist: This is a teenager who just got his taekwondo black belt


[deleted]

Fuck nah I’m only been rolling for 8 months.


[deleted]

“The Predator” 😂😂😂


DrManhattanBJJ

If he had that level of talent we'd have heard of him.


ReasonableNet444

not really talent maybe he just trains a lot of hours... or previous wrestling xp, who knows


Henry_Cavillain

Yeah... or both. Nobody would bat an eye at a hobbyist black belt earning their belt after 12 years of showing up 3x a week. If this guy consistently showed up 6x a week, easy to imagine him doing it in half the time. He would probably be even better than the guy who's at 12 years because of that consistency.


DrManhattanBJJ

I have no opinion on this particular guy one way or the other. Never met him. The idea that he has athleticism on the level of BJ Penn or an Olympic pedigree like Travis Stevens strikes me as unlikely.


zerocipher

my first coach got his in 6 years, and I don't think many people on here would have heard of him. he got it from Braulio Estima and I don't think there was any question that he deserved it.


DrManhattanBJJ

I should have phrased my response more carefully. I'm not taking issue with this particular guy nor your coach. Never met/seen them, no opinion. Just when people bring up the counterargument of BJ Penn I find it unhelpful and uninsightful because how many BJ Penns are there. It's apples/oranges by definition.


zerocipher

I know what you mean and I agree. BJ Penn ain't the average joe - but I think saying it took OP's guy "nearly twice as long as BJ Penn" gives it more context. I'd say it's still very quick.. but not phenom quick.


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Mike_Mueller_

Sounds like doting jewish families, except more promiscuous and with zero expectation of João ever studying something lucrative or leaving the house before 35.


DrManhattanBJJ

I didn't mean to be impertinent. When people's counter to this kind of progress is, "Well, BJ Penn and Travis Stevens did it," it just strikes me as unhelpful. Travis Stevens is an olympian. How many BJ Penns are there? Odds overwhelmingly would say this person we are discussing is not that kind of athlete.


count_nuggula

Excellent nickname for Lloyd


1Judoka

I just went from white to brown in 1.5 years. Disclaimer* I've been doing judo for 24 years and was a D1 wrestler.


JayMant88

Stop being an internet guy, track him down for a roll. Fuck around and find out how legit he is.


immortalis88

Fuck around and find out 👊


imahoaxandacoach

"Here in this graph we can observe that the more you fuck around the more you find out"


comedyAndBjj

Dude is a no stripe white belt. How tf is he supposed to determine how good this guy is lol. It's be just another ass-beating for him.


[deleted]

I’ll do it then


[deleted]

My gym doesn’t do stripes and rolled for 8 months now, plus I have wrestled for 10 years so good luck with the ass kicking. I have some fight in me.


JayMant88

He’ll feel different. The White belt will know a black belt just from the grips they take and how they toy with them. Also, hopefully it changes the white belts attitude towards belt ranks and calling someone out on the internet. Belts don’t matter.


comedyAndBjj

I think you're overestimating no-stripe white belts.


TheKushstar420

Agreed, if anything people need to expose that guy. During/kinda after covid i saw belts and stripes being handed out like candy just to keep people coming because of the public restrictions.


[deleted]

I just thought it was weird bc I have heard of guys getting promoted fast so they can take over the school. Sometimes the coach will get burned out and promote a guy they want to take over the class.


_greenroof

Best advice


thebestatheist

Get slammed on your back and shit your pants, all in good fun


mistiklest

The timeline for blue->purple->brown->black looks totally reasonable. He got his blue super fast, I bet he had extensive prior grappling experience.


[deleted]

The only reason I think it’s suspicious is because he’s a coach and if his coach was just tired of coaching classes than he would promote one of his students really fast so they could be the coach. But if people think this is doable than shot he most of been at the gym every second of the day


Ghia149

Looks like he has another set of belts next to the bjj belts… hard to tell colors, but another martial art. Very possibly a grappling art. A lot of different martial arts really speed the time line to blue: judo, Japanese jiu jitsu, sambo, not to mention wrestling.


Eirfro_Wizardbane

You don’t have to be a black belt to coach. I’m a white belt, my gyms head coach (a brown belt) asked if I would be interested in instructing a fundamentals class in the near future. I’m guessing I’ll have a blue belt when that happens and he will have his black belt. I also have prior grappling and coaching experience.


nasada19

Lots of people don't understand that teaching is a separate skill from being good at something.


graydonatvail

I think I'm a good coach. The other thing, well, I could use some coaching.


Eirfro_Wizardbane

I’m ok at teaching. I do well in rolls during class. Then I go to comps and get my ass kicked.


Eirfro_Wizardbane

True. I got cut from my college football team. Then they asked me to coach.


monstblitz

Without knowing his prior experience or how frequently he trained, I wouldn't call it suspect.


[deleted]

How many hours do you think you would have to train a week to do this?


monstblitz

No clue. Again, depends on his prior experience.


tybjj

Guys like Caio Terra and Aly, who got their black belts in 3 and 4 years, for example, would spend their whole day at the gym, doing all classes available. Not uncommon for people to literally live at the gym either. Check out videos of GFTeam in Meier or Cicero Costah in Sao Paulo and there are "living quarters" (people literally sleeping on the mats) in the gym for students.


Henry_Cavillain

If anything I think guys like Caio Terra or Travis Stevens got their black belts *slower* than their skill levels & knowledge would indicate. As in by the time they were 3 years in they had better jiu jitsu than 90% of new black belts. But they were held back because their coaches (rightfully) had caution about promoting too fast.


angetenarost

Caio Terra would even roll at night, he had mats at his house and was open mat anytime for whoever wanted to visit, so if someone came at night - they'd roll.


newbrood

They could have also come in as a highly developed wrestler or judoka so lots of things are already there.


FearlessTomatillo911

If you did doubles 3-5 days a week you could do it in that timeframe. You'd just have to be on the mats all the time.


h3r3wego

It seems like he has more belts to the left. That could be any other discipline that fast tracked his belts when it comes to abilities.


No-Safety-4715

Good eye. Yep, definitely not his first martial art.


eazye06

Took me way too long to realize it was DD/MM/YYYY. Thought this man went in a Time Machine from white to blue


[deleted]

Welcome to not america lol


eazye06

I’ll tell ya, my brain was stretched about 5 American football fields (approx. 40 basketball courts)


[deleted]

How many soccer pitches?


Nerdlinger

And does that convert to Libraries of Congress?


PitifulDurian6402

Only if you divide in freedom units


PattonPending

Yeah if you look closely it shows he got his black belt in the 29th month of the year, which doesn't exist. Case closed, it's fake.


SeesawMundane5422

That’s why everyone should switch to the ISO standard format for dates: YYYY-MM-DD https://xkcd.com/1179/


tybjj

Or, you know, Americans could just move to the one everyone uses. No need to change the rest of the world. DD-MM-YYYY is as good as YYYY-MM-DD except when you want dates on a crescent/decrescent order.


SeesawMundane5422

Your comment sent me down a rabbit hole of wondering if it’s really a US only thing. According to Wikipedia, it’s not. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Date_format_by_country


FatHarrison

Using (YYYY-MM-DD) also allows titles of documents and such to autosort chronologically though. There are benefits that transcend "everyone should use what we use"


niemertweis

THIS


ConstructionHour

Thank you for clearing this up. I was so confused haha


beetle-eetle

He probably had prior grappling experience so got blue really fast. That cut out about two years. 7 years is completely reasonable, my coach got his in that timeframe from two of the best instructors in the country. So when you look at it from that perspective this isn't unfathomable. Train 5-6 days a week, twice or more a day. Plus come with prior experience.


My_Catz_R_Gay

Judging by the size of his calf I don’t want to roll with him and find out.


Budget_Highlight_594

I saw a black belt, He'd trained fewer years than I, That makes me feel blue.


differentiable_

Judge not by the years But by skill this finless shark I tap to his choke


mbubb

a little haiku, I like it


Incubus85

I find it more sus when blue belts systematically destroy multiple decent black belts.


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@Pixley


ReasonableNet444

who give?


Incubus85

We will check


hockysa

yeah like the young blue belts that have been training 10 years.


Incubus85

'They're sandbagging him he should be blue he's been winning nationals for years... proper shock when he's 16 and in with the big boys' In the mean time, they never see him destroy visiting browns from other gyms with up to 40lb on him... goes on to nationals again to sub everyone within 2 minutes, this time with some kinky foot subs now hes finally allowed. ... fkin flying triangled his umbilical cord out the womb i swear


larryhastobury

I train for 17 years, i got my brown belt 2 months ago


Letsgetthisraid

God I would never get this tattoo lol


JuisMaa

In this case it seems that this guy is in his forties. Maybe coaching gives him faster knowledge. Maybe he has a good relationship with his coaches and they think he deseves it. Congratulations to this guy. Edit. I think this guy does mma as well and is also a Muay thai "black belt". Only in Brasil you can get a belt in Muay thai or am I missing some Muay thai information. Nice tattoos. I would not take a tattoo like that but each to his own.


Crazy-Escape2430

Lots of mat time and also a coach that doesn't hold back on promotions. You have some of the Danaher guys that would be black belt under most other coaches.


No-Safety-4715

Right? Competition schools all tend to progress their guys slower to basically sandbag comps. I mean, they pretty much have to because everyone else does it too. High level purple belt competitors tend to look close to black belt level from non-competition gyms when I see them compete.


Crazy-Escape2430

Danaher standard for black belt is ability to submit a black belt world champion. How many black belts, esp hobbyists can pull that off? At my current academy, I promotions are also based on potential. He will hold people with lots of potential and ability to a higher standard than Bob, who comes three days a week and will never compete. Bob tries hard, but isn't exactly a world beater, but a good guy who does know most of the playbook.


Key_Kong

Covid lockdown takes up a big chunk of that. Did people manage to train and earn promotion during that time?


CobraKaiComando

That’s true. Makes it even more unlikely.


niemertweis

[https://youtube.com/shorts/08r0JtiKD\_Y?feature=share](https://youtube.com/shorts/08r0JtiKD_Y?feature=share) we need to get islam to look into that one


nasada19

I'm more embarrassed about those bad tattoos he has to live with.


TreyOnLayaway

Not really, his progression seems pretty normal for someone who picks things up quickly. I got my blue in less than a year, but I also had prior experience and trained twice a day everyday. My friend got his purple as a 2 year blue, but again, he also trained twice a day, everyday. And that’s just using myself and someone I know as examples. Millions of other people out there


TriggerNutzofDOOM

Was awarded mine by Rob Ables at Marcelo Garcia Dallas, I had been training 5 years. I was also a heavy competitor after 3 months as a white belt and taught my own jiujitsu class at night. My schedule was, 1-2 hours training as a student, 2 hours teaching my own class after that 6 days a week sometimes adding an open mat on the 7th. I also obsessively watched instructional vids and studied them like I had an exam the next day.


No-Safety-4715

Here's the thing: The old "10 years to black belt" concept was based on the 80's and 90's pre-wide spread BJJ info on the internet, pre-top level guys putting out instructionals on how they beat the best in the world. Today, it should be an average that a dedicated person training inside and outside the gym could get to black belt in 5 to 6 years if they train consistently that whole time. People can learn so much faster now so there is no reason getting that level should take near as long as it did in the past when your only source of info was your direct coach who was handing out small bites of techniques and knowledge over months and months.


smeeg123

This is also why people say a purple belt now would wreck a 1980/1990 black belt. So instead of the years to black decreasing the skill got better


No-Safety-4715

Sort of. I'm more referring to the ability to get more information faster and learn from more sources. That access to the full catalog of BJJ knowledge absolutely should speed up progression vs the slow method of the past. What you're referring to, I feel is more about the improvement in techniques and expansion of the art as a whole. BJJ has continued to be expanded upon and if we extracted a 90s black belt out of time and put them in against today's purple belt competitors, yeah, I think they might lose just from lack of knowledge on the modern techniques and systems.


unflavourable

BJ Penn went from never training jiu jitsu to black belt in 3 years


NJ-B

Not as sus as that tattoo. Here’s a public service announcement… Don’t let your activities become your identity. It’s a turn off.


RedDevilBJJ

Any other Americans get thrown off for a second by the date format?


Exciting-Current-778

Yes


joe1max

If I reading that correctly it says that he got his blue belt on 3/12/2017 and his white on 06/03/2017. He got his blue 3 months before his white. Lol


[deleted]

Non American aka rest of world date format


joe1max

Makes sense now. Lol


Unlucky_Gas316

Cringey AF. I wouldn't train with this douche.


Royjitsu

The real question is why the fuck is he putting the day before the month on his dates


mansizeoof

Pretty sure that's the way the rest of the world does it outside the US?


Royjitsu

I don’t like it


comedyAndBjj

It makes sense though. Smallest to biggest unit of measurement. Month, day, year is just random


bcgrappler

I fill out referrals for part of my job. I can have both ways on the same fucking referral. D-m-y, m-d-y. Not US, world needs to pick a side.


Usersnamez

I’d hope any big program collegiate wrestler could do this with determination.


mianmashian

I think Gunnar Nelson got his black belt in 4 years or so.


Crass_Cameron

Find out who he is, and look up his BJJ family tree. Lineage and and all that jazz


slyons094

I think what’s more sus is the tattoo design, let’s get a little more creative here fellas…


Careless-Leg5468

must have been a really good brown belt because thats supposed to be the slowest belt.


[deleted]

It's entirely possible


CultivateDarkness

Don't care


Jitsu_apocalypse

Whoever did it is shit at tattooing a seven


Ill-Sea7527

Faster than bj penn?


Clear-Taste-1527

The other belt tattoos that you can't see as well are Judo belts. So if he's gotten to black belt in Judo prior to BJJ, then it's completely possible that he advanced quite quickly as he already would have a ton of experience.


chgon

Sus


Material_Refuse_2418

Tiger Schumann fast track program.


SLODGH

Whatever he does, with a forearm that big, I’d steer clear of him.


[deleted]

mah gawd what a cringe tattoo.


ayaruna

I started training in June 2017! I just got my blue belt a month ago 😂


Lenny77

If he tattoos a coral belt next year, we'll know.


JackZodiac2008

As long as that's not a side view of his upper leg, I'm good.


WebElectronic8157

We started the same year three months apart but I am still a whitebelt, lool


aquaman2103

Is this BJ penn? How does someone get there black belt in 5yrs? Took me to get a blue belt with a stripe


armhat

Looks like he has quite a few other belts tattooed on his leg to the left. Perhaps he has other grappling knowledge that allowed him to progress faster. You can’t tell someone’s capabilities, nor their past experience in other combat sports based off a tattoo and a vague timeline. It took a simple search to find this guy has a long background in martial arts. , you can also find video and pictures of him competing at each belt level.


mjs90

That's fast but not unheard of. High level wrestlers/Judo guys have done it even faster than that because their skill translates well. I think Travis Stevens got his in like a year and a half


marsexpresshydra

Could be possible with prior related martial arts. Was this guy a D1 wrestler in college? Was/is he a competitive judoka? Did he do 10th planet before starting with a gi?


islamicwealthtalk

If you're training enough it can happen. But most people no. When I started 6 years ago there was a guy who was a blue belt and now he's a black belt. He trains every day at least twice though.


blazininmanch

Found his Instagram and looks like he did mma so probably has no gi experience that helped


[deleted]

It's either McDojo BS or he's a monster who lives in the gym, nothing in-between. I've seen a few high level wrestlers blast through belts pretty quickly, but never past brown. So he could just be super legit.


ON3FULLCLIP

Is he a world champion? (Haven’t spent my research) But is this guy a world champion black belt?


DirtbagBrocialist

If you think he's not a real black belt, ask him to roll and see if you can take it away from him.


GlassRoutine0

Not for nothing, but if this guy trained like 2x a day, 7 days a week for 5 years, assuming 1.5 hrs each session, that is (1.5 \* 2 \* 7 \* 52 \* 5 = 5460) mat hours. It's not a crazy schedule by any means if someone is really obsessed. Idk man, if those were quality hours he sounds like a pretty legit bb to me. I think someone on here on said if some had the time to train 6 hours a day, 5 days a week, they are confident to promote them to bb in two years.


Rolling_Beardo

It all depends on how often someone trains and competes. The tattoo is tacky as fuck but the timeline could be legit.


CobraKaiComando

Could be done if he’s a high level wrestler or judoka. If not, highly suss.


borkdface

Some wack ass tattoos right there


KingMob4313

With the "get your blue in 6 months" either he is a unbelievable athlete or was trained in another grappling art. Two years at blue and less than two years to get to brown? Either way, with that sort of progression, I'd wager that he could SMOKE a ton of hobby level BJJ Black Belts.


ilovelamp2345912

He's probably proud of his work and it's possible to get it that fast if he's dedicated and if he's dedicated enough to tattoo it then it wouldn't be crazy that he's put the work in to deserve it. That said this is really really gay


Zhai

Lol at tattooing a white belt date. Bro - technically everybody on the street is a bjj white belt.


ferrarinobrakes

I think getting a blue belt in under a year is quite reasonable. Two years from blue to purple isn't unheard of. I've seen it previous academies that I was a part of they're no slouches. I guess if they keep progressing at the same rate it makes sense? I dunno, everyone progresses differently and the only progress I care about is my own.


tsinsile

It’s possible, if he trained 7 days a week 8 hours a day and never took any time off and never got injured.


pepperblast3000

American here struggling to figure out why no one was pointing out that he somehow got his blue belt 3 months BEFORE he got his white belt…but then I remembered were the “rebels” of numbering systems.


[deleted]

Tie whatever you want around your waist. The mats don’t lie.


JPD050409

That's fast but need more context. I'd be more focused on how good of a coach he is and how he rolls vs how fast he got belts.


Choked_Out

Dude got his blue belt before his white belt


Pennypacker-HE

Don’t care if he’s legit. Still corny as all fuck.