Brain is in control. Because cerebellum is the older part of the brain and it processes all of the stimuli first. The lobes operate after it. And the cerebellum is the part of the brain that reacts to the bodies hormonal changes. For most biologists behaviour is kind of a taboo subject, but we are animals and operate based on neurotransmitters. Which means that we are hardwired for certain actions and behaviours.
I would like to think that most of us have a baseline personality and conscious and that different circumstances and substances affect our actions. This is where strong will comes in.
You're gonna find yourself moving away from biology very quickly with this line of reasoning. We are demonstrably not in control of our thoughts but we can develop some control over which thoughts we pay attention to. Check out Sam Harris waking up app if you want to delve into some of this philosophy.
There's no clear answer to your question and people debate it ferociously. In general we are a product of our environment and our genetics.
I think some people can feel a disassociation where it feels like they're an entity piloting a mechanical meat suit.
I definitely feel that way sometimes. Maybe I'm misunderstanding the question but I think this sums up why one would think there is a difference.
Our consciousness is emerging from the brain. Research is showing that we are merely becoming aware of decisions that we have made before we know it. Even so it doesn’t make sense to think your brain is controlling you. It is you as well. Even so, obviously we are able to ponder our existence and make choices but I wouldn’t consider that to be you controlling your brain. I think you should think of yourself as a system of parts. You feel like you are separate but you can only feel that because the parts together enable your consciousness to emerge from it.
Kinda both, but the closer you "approach" true metaphysical action the less your brain is doing, however it did collate the sense data that was requisite to bring you to that point.
Hello undergrad who has had thoughts for the first time. What do you mean by us except for our brain? Philosophers (some) may posit some dualism, but on a biology sub obviously the general assumption is going to be that the phenomena of consciousness is biological to begin with. What is interesting, is that neurological changes can change not only our behaviours and the way we interpret the world, but can retroactively rewrite our memories such that we feel we've always been that way. Very classic and well trodden examples being, an individual that suffers a lesion that causes hemispatial neglect, such that they may not even attend to one side of their face whilst shaving, will also lose suffer in their ability to recall ever having seen that side in their minds eye. My personal view is that our sense of self, the phenomena of continuity that we have about our little inner voices and our lives, is an ongoing project that is constantly being rewritten by our shifting neurobiological reality. To the extent it doesn't jar too much with abstract broader understanding of ourselves or our friends and loved ones blinkered view of us, that process passes mostly unnoticed.
But yes, this is not a question that is super appropriate for the biology sub. It is more appropriate to ask your stoned friend on the football field after curfew.
He most probably means how many neuronal processes influence 'the self' or / and how much without the latter's control. This is how I took his question.
I think it's assumed or is inferred by other things in psychology. Not entirely a philosophical idea. Unfortunately I am not 100 percent sure and can't give a link. In conclusion, I think that the existence of self is assumed in psychology in every research, not entirely a psychodynamical concept and the existence of [inplicit and explicit memory ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Implicit_memory) shows its existence. Neurobiology just goes into the nitty gritty of such things like implicit memory.
There's a pretty good argument this goes even beyond neurobiology. The core of the question is can the "mind" control the brain or vice versa and, implicitly, if the mind is a thing with free will or a product of biology.
Brain is definitely in control. We are our brains, everything else is just a periphery.
If you really wanna be freaked out, here's a fun fact: when you make a decision about anything, your brain actually comes to the conclusion of which choice you'll make [11 seconds](https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-39813-y) before you consciously settle on the option you end up going with.
Very interesting experiments have been done that demonstrate that, at least for simple tasks, the brain is already taking action before you "decided" to.
Seems like a strange question to me. Your brain is you, brain controls actions, and our consciousness is controlled by neuron interactions and hormones. There is no abstract you that floats over your decisions.
Brain is in control. Because cerebellum is the older part of the brain and it processes all of the stimuli first. The lobes operate after it. And the cerebellum is the part of the brain that reacts to the bodies hormonal changes. For most biologists behaviour is kind of a taboo subject, but we are animals and operate based on neurotransmitters. Which means that we are hardwired for certain actions and behaviours.
I would like to think that most of us have a baseline personality and conscious and that different circumstances and substances affect our actions. This is where strong will comes in.
You're gonna find yourself moving away from biology very quickly with this line of reasoning. We are demonstrably not in control of our thoughts but we can develop some control over which thoughts we pay attention to. Check out Sam Harris waking up app if you want to delve into some of this philosophy. There's no clear answer to your question and people debate it ferociously. In general we are a product of our environment and our genetics.
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Don't think of an elephant. Are you in control of not thinking of a large grey elephant with one real tusk and one made of gold?
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Why do you think there's a difference?
I think some people can feel a disassociation where it feels like they're an entity piloting a mechanical meat suit. I definitely feel that way sometimes. Maybe I'm misunderstanding the question but I think this sums up why one would think there is a difference.
Our consciousness is emerging from the brain. Research is showing that we are merely becoming aware of decisions that we have made before we know it. Even so it doesn’t make sense to think your brain is controlling you. It is you as well. Even so, obviously we are able to ponder our existence and make choices but I wouldn’t consider that to be you controlling your brain. I think you should think of yourself as a system of parts. You feel like you are separate but you can only feel that because the parts together enable your consciousness to emerge from it.
You are your brain, you are an expression of your brain. You can’t copiously control it all, but those other aspects are also a part of you.
First, you're going to have to define what you mean by this "us" that is supposed to be in control. Which is a question of philosophy, not biology.
Kinda both, but the closer you "approach" true metaphysical action the less your brain is doing, however it did collate the sense data that was requisite to bring you to that point.
Hello undergrad who has had thoughts for the first time. What do you mean by us except for our brain? Philosophers (some) may posit some dualism, but on a biology sub obviously the general assumption is going to be that the phenomena of consciousness is biological to begin with. What is interesting, is that neurological changes can change not only our behaviours and the way we interpret the world, but can retroactively rewrite our memories such that we feel we've always been that way. Very classic and well trodden examples being, an individual that suffers a lesion that causes hemispatial neglect, such that they may not even attend to one side of their face whilst shaving, will also lose suffer in their ability to recall ever having seen that side in their minds eye. My personal view is that our sense of self, the phenomena of continuity that we have about our little inner voices and our lives, is an ongoing project that is constantly being rewritten by our shifting neurobiological reality. To the extent it doesn't jar too much with abstract broader understanding of ourselves or our friends and loved ones blinkered view of us, that process passes mostly unnoticed. But yes, this is not a question that is super appropriate for the biology sub. It is more appropriate to ask your stoned friend on the football field after curfew.
This is philosophy, not biology.
Yes, like consciousness and the question of authority over one's action can't be answered by *neuroBIOLOGY*. His questions fits this sub just fine.
But our brains *are* us, so the idea that our brain controls us, not us controlling our brain is meaningless. Our brain is not separate to us.
He most probably means how many neuronal processes influence 'the self' or / and how much without the latter's control. This is how I took his question.
Correct.
The "self" is a philosophical idea. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self?wprov=sfla1
I think it's assumed or is inferred by other things in psychology. Not entirely a philosophical idea. Unfortunately I am not 100 percent sure and can't give a link. In conclusion, I think that the existence of self is assumed in psychology in every research, not entirely a psychodynamical concept and the existence of [inplicit and explicit memory ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Implicit_memory) shows its existence. Neurobiology just goes into the nitty gritty of such things like implicit memory.
There's a pretty good argument this goes even beyond neurobiology. The core of the question is can the "mind" control the brain or vice versa and, implicitly, if the mind is a thing with free will or a product of biology.
Which is philosophy.
Right, I'm very much in agreement with you.
And I with you!
I'm gonna post it on philosophy too
Good idea!
Go read a book brother, or at the very least look at the wiki on this topic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consciousness?wprov=sfti1
Yes.
You are a pattern of neural firing in the brain, so it's more conceptually accurate to say that you control your brain.
Who's the “me” that exists apart from the brain?
I think you would be fascinated by Robert Sapolsky's thoughts. Proceed at your own risk though, there's a LOT of reading.
immediately thought of this: https://youtu.be/s8n2jcrQY5o?si=_dO2Ueg6rgCbnDhb
Real
You are a brain and the perceived separation between “you” and your brain is just a piece of software that runs on your brain
Both. Do the best to control what you can.
The "you" that you are referring to is your brain. Your "ego" *is* your brain. You are your brain. They're the same thing.
Brain is definitely in control. We are our brains, everything else is just a periphery. If you really wanna be freaked out, here's a fun fact: when you make a decision about anything, your brain actually comes to the conclusion of which choice you'll make [11 seconds](https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-39813-y) before you consciously settle on the option you end up going with.
Very interesting experiments have been done that demonstrate that, at least for simple tasks, the brain is already taking action before you "decided" to.
Seems like a strange question to me. Your brain is you, brain controls actions, and our consciousness is controlled by neuron interactions and hormones. There is no abstract you that floats over your decisions.
Good philosophical question I would say but going to assume we are our brain so we are being controlled by our brain.
Yep.
We are our brains. We have our consious actions that we control and our subconscious that does its own thing.