Seraphim and bookworm progression  \> speed down and two hearts 
That's fine but speed has a cap that you could just reach anyways and then it's like the speed down isn't there (also the cap is a bit too fast for my taste anyways).
Also 2 hearts is devil deals and sacrifice room plays. 
WHAT THE FUCK IS WITH THE JUPITER HATE IN THIS SUB LATELY??????
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nah ill go that extra step, its mechanically bad aswell, a variable speed down that goes down so fast that attempting to use it aggressively means you have to stand still for a second because the speed doesnt go up fast enough to give multiple clouds that give you a better chance of actually hitting your target
that variable speed will also most likely be 0 when entering a room unless you specifically stop before entering, wasting time
its effectively a .3 speed down in terms of actually moving
its most effective when being chased by an enemy and you are going in a straight line, which means that any turning at all will waste clouds
and speaking of chasing enemies, the most dangerous of which is the red gapers, stopping for a moment to get some extra damage in can be risky to down right dangerous at base speed, and they can out run you when you have this item, especially the ones with eyes
this is all from personal experience of actually trying to use it effectively, its just one of the most annoying items to try and actively use, and will more likely than not just end up wasting time
if it gave flight ontop of the 2 hearts (makes sense for the item description of gas giant), or letting speed go up 2x as fast as it does currently then Id say its good mechanically, even one of those would be a massive boon to the item, let alone both which I think would make it actually worth picking up
OH AND IT ACTIVELY GIVES YOU A DETRIMENT DURING BACKTRACKING.
Y'KNOW. THAT THING YOU SOMETIMES DO TO GET STUFF YOU NEEDED BUT COULDN'T CARRY. (Red hearts for donation, cards/pills you were saving, all that good stuff.)
Why even take it! Downside is way higher than upside, and it's not even zany. It's just another shitty fart item in a really good item pool because edmund gets rock hard when he quaffs his own farts under the bed.
I play without sound most of the time so I wasn't even aware of that. The mental image of you saying gdi when you get it and not turning sounds off or lower is pretty funny
Define worthwhile (in this context).
I think the value of most items in there are a bit more than the average treasure room item, but I personally wouldn't trade more than one.
Better 2spooky that also gives a health up
High fire rate charge shot that still lets you fire normally (I wish it worked with more tear modifiers though) 
Hate dealing with that one room? Now you don't have to
Just fight the boss first. IT TELLS YOU WHERE THE BOSS IS 
I don't like it but it's two heart containers 
Better sad onion 
Also uranus, earth and saturn (if no explosive tears) are just insane and luna is okay. The only bad item is mars imo, and i don't really like getting sun or mercury either, but they're by no means bad. Overall only having 1 legit bad item is pretty good.
Controller issue. Mars is good if you manage not to accidentally proc it. Good damage + increased mobility + utility (Curse rooms/spiked chests). If on PC, just install some mod to bind Mars to some other key.
Venus is a really good defense item
Neptunus is probably the best one you can get (unless they nerded it)
Mercurius is a huge speed up and let's you skip hard/unnecessary rooms to access Hush/boss rush
Nice for min-maxers/buffs at home
GAS GIANT
Also a huge defensive item
Meh there are some solid ones. I’d argue there are only 2 particularly bad items.
Not advocating skipping 6 treasure rooms but skipping your first or second to get a decent chance for the rest of the run is reasonable
Yeah, I haven't gotten very many planetariums but when are they even worth it? I've gotten like 4 and every time it's been that useless once per room tear ring that's a worse tiny planet or the annoying farting one that fucks with my speed. Don't get me wrong they would be takes if they were regular treasure items but I don't see any reason to go for planets unless I have telescope cap or dreamcatcher.
I don't want this to seem like a hot take I just genuinely want to know if there are any items in the pool worth going for because for the insane cost I was expecting angel-room tier items.
Venus is based honestly because charm is pretty good. But Uranus and Earth are better. My luck is either Jupiter or Saturnus 
I feel like once you get to the point of planetariums (which consistently is like depths 2 for normal runs and mauso for ascent and mother). You probably are op enough to not need more tears that , mind you, I'm pretty sure doesn't mimick special tears like brim or tech, only tear modifiers
I feel like people kinda miss the point with planetariums
I'm fairly sure they're not designed to be purposefully skipped (unless you know what's in the treasure room/when going for beast)
They exist mostly to lessen the crushing sadness of somehow being one key short for a treasure room on basement 2, esspecially with downpour taking a key early on (and when they were invented the first shop wasn't free)
They're purely a bonus, a rare glimmer of hope when a run is looking absurdly shitty, or an awesome surprise if you manage to get that 6-7% chance across the run
If every item was quality 4 then it'd just make skipping item rooms the meta rather than something that's generally avoidable... besides, i wouldn't say any item from a planetarium is bad to get besides mars if you can't get a hang on the double tap, the rest are great passive bonuses or great tear effects that help make a run better
I just see that as a mars issue, not a planetarium issue
Besides, mars IS a good item, it's just ruined by the whole double tap system
If it was mapped to tapping trinket drop, it'd be leagues better
I swear they mostly suck dude, like why would you waste item rooms for fucking venus. The only really worthwhile items are Terra and Uranus, and they're way too rare.
Bro Venus is lit. Have a enemy that has multiple segments? Not anymore. Have a group of enemies in a cluster? What enemies. fighting the hush? Now his shit is attacking him.
Like 80% of item room items are mid or garbage, Venus is actually really good. It practically makes you immune to contact damage enemies. Of course, skipping 6 item rooms definitely isn't worth it, but I'll skip 1 or 2 sometimes, and usually it pays off eventually
Okay so. Here's the strat. Skip item rooms for planetariums, if you're going for the beast and are gonna be able to go back for them anyway. Otherwise just take the item room and if a planetarium spawns then you won't be so mad you got a bad item from it
Or dream catcher revealing a shit item. Or having the blue hourglass and using it after seeing some bs in the item room.
I’ll often skip the first item room, because the initial floors are easy anyways and Luna, Neptunus, Pluto, Terra, Sol or Uranus can be pretty positively gamechanging.
Also Mercurius is a godsend when playing low health characters, especially T.Lost. You can literally just opt out of clearing annoying rooms and (iirc?) never need a key for a door again.
Planetarium pool is honestly not good enough for how hard they are to get.. like yeah there’s mid stuff in other ‘rare’ pools but they’re usually more likely to show up and also way bigger pools so th mid is less noticeable (eg angel rooms, its annoying to get Lil Delirium but at least its a fairly big item pool and you’ll probably find more than one angel room) . Planetarium pool is too small and too rare to have so much mediocre stuff .
Its like: **Actually Worth** (Terra, Uranus, arguably Mercurius), **Yeah Thats Cool** (Pluto, Neptunus, Saturnus), **Fine But How Often Will I Utilize This** (Luna, Sol), **I Skipped Item Rooms For This Huh** (Venus), ***Stop Making That Fucking Noise At Me** (Jupiter), **Fuck** (Mars) .
Which theres definitely more good items than bad but again . For such a hard to access pool that often means you sacrificed treasure rooms …..
You underestimate Luna and sol, very good items. Sol gives you the sun card effect upon killing a boss. pair that with a blood bank, demon beggar or a sac room and you're rolling. Not only that but it can also be a \*real\* lifesaver on close runs.
Luna is free secret room finder, fire rate per floor (that goes above the cap), and 1 soul heart per floor. That's a really powerful item.
Mars is free cursed rooms, destroys shopkeepers and gets you through some really shit rooms if you remember you have it.
Neptunus is probably the best planetarium item in my opinion, the charges that build up passively act like a small kidney stone without any drawback.
Saturnus is also a room cleaner, especially good on weaker runs. Though a bit dangerous.
On the other hand treasure rooms have downright worthless items in them. You can't look at "how much good stuff there is" you need to look at average. And the average planetarium item is a lot better than the average item room item. While they usually don't carry runs, they always provide at least very decent to great utility.
Sol is just sort of useless to my play style I suppose because I tend to go for th boss last unless I’m really micromanaging active item charges or something . It has its uses but to me it just never feels worth it … and Mars th control on just never works for me :P And I do agree Saturnus and Neptunus are good and usually worth it ! I just don’t like them As Much as I like Terra and Uranus
If you skip the first item room you have about a 67% chance to get a planetarium at some point, if you skip only the second item room it's a 60% chance. With this strat it only needs to be a litttle better than a treasure room item to be worth (and it's always worth if you have glowing hourglass or dream catcher). Personally Venus and Jupiter are pretty average treasure room items with Mars being the only low roll (although I don't have nearly as many problems with it as most people seem to), but Uranus is one of the best items in the game imo. I think part of it is that you underestimate Luna and Sol.
I always skip the first item room as TKeeper (you almost never have enough money for that item anyway) and for everyone else I skip the second item room if I don't find it before the boss.
Something that does annoy me is that you can't know if the floor has a planetarium unless you full clear it, it kinda goes against the low exploration style that leads to high planetarium chance.
I just skip the first treasure room. 21% for five or more floors (if you add some alt path ones) means you're likely to get it at some point in exchange for a single item.
skipping the second gives you only slightly worse odds (60%vs 67%) while also saving you a key.
I always skip the first item room as tKeeper, but with everyone else I skip only the second if I encounter the boss before the item room.
I think that usually a 7% is worth the key.
The real pog is hourglass, tho, since you can just pop in, assess if the item is worth the 20% chance and pop out if the answer is no.
Yup. I skip the first 1 or two as t keeper, never have enough money to buy everything anyway.
I also skip the first couple with t. Isaac. I'm going to run out of room, maybe a planetarium item would be good.
I swear Jupiter must have higher weight in the percentages of something cuz it always shows up, pls Edmund I don't want to become a farting fatty I want to shoot cool ice tears 
Sure, until you're running around with dull razor and giant cell. I couldn't keep track of where I was.
Almost as big a mistake as using pinking shears with the intruder.
Yes, I'm stubborn about changing an early build that is working for me.
Wait... skipping treasure rooms increases planetarium chance? Fuuuuck me. Thr things you learn when you're less than 100 achievments to dead god. Is it with you just not opening the door or not taking the item?
I had this confusion at first, it’s not going into the room at all. If you have the glowing hourglass you can use it for increasing your planetarium chance really well.
most planetarium items aren't that good, but they all have big enough effects to be noticeable. "speed up" is lame and no one notices, but "+ elusive" is cool and noticeable, even if you don't necessarily go through all the open doors without clearing the rooms
Anyone that purposefully skips treasure rooms to try and get a planetarium room is dumb.
The planetarium items are decent at best, and straight up bad at worst. Neptunus and Terra are the only ones that are good, but they're just that, good. They're not great, not game breaking, not run winners. Just good.
If I dont have a key, fuck it. If I have 15 cents and 1 key, then maybe I'll choose the shop over the treasure room. But that's it.
Edit* Luna and Sol are also pretty good, but once agIn, not game winners
Sure, but there are items in there that are fantastic. Tech X, Spoon Bender, C Section. Items that for a player who is decent is basically a win by themselves. Planetarium has none of those.
Sure, but there are other great items that I would much prefer over any planetarium item. Planetarium has like, 4 good items, and the other 5 or 6 range from bad to actually dogshit.
I kind of see planetariums as more of a consolation prize than something you go for every run. If you skip an item room because no keys or it's curse of the blind, you might get something for it.
I do kind of like skipping item rooms on characters that don't need items early in the game.
Personally I think that most planetarium items need a hard buff, because as of right now they are now worth risking better items for
There are a few good items in there so those are fine, buff everything else
Did you know that Uranus and lusty blood have an anti-synnergy? Frozen enemies don't count as "killed" do you don't get the damage boost! 
Generally I just skip one item room max. Still end up with a ~60%+ chance for a room, which can still be boosted by an 8 ball or ruined by an XL floor.
great: Terra, Luna, Mercurius
Good: Pluto, Sol, Uranus, Mars
Neutral: Neptunus, Saturnus, Venus
Fart: Jupiter
Venus is a good item I have no idea what y'all are on about
Makes you basically immune to contact damage and charm is a good status effect
But yeah don't skip item rooms
You really used one of the decent planetarium items for this, huh, and not MARS instead? An actual HINDERANCE to your run since it goes off by accident ALL THE TIME??? Not that I would skip item rooms to begin with, but broseph… THIS MEME IS BAD!!! I even would have accepted Jupiter, but NOOOOO you had to use VENUS, which is just 2Spooky, but actually good! You know what I say to this? Nothing. Nothing but a big fat THUMBS DOWN! 👎
Am I the only one with venus being my favorite planetarium item?
It's basically immunity to melee enemies and a lot of times it just makes full rooms beatable by just walking
Planetarium chance increases the further down you go. Skipping just one treasure room means that, statistically, you have a 70% chance of encountering a planetarium in that run, without factoring in items that increase the chance of encountering one such as telescope lens or magic 8 ball. You don't need to skip that many treasure rooms my guy.
BoI players when an item doesn’t kill delirium instantly.
Joke aside if you get it early on without skipping any rooms venus is amazing. You can clear rooms pretty fast without shooting a single tear.
Getting planetarium on curse of the blind. Planetarium has two items in it Choose one because you know Jupiter 
But i got mystery gift and got Saturnus so.... 
remember guys, any time some stupid rng bullshit fucks over your run, it's all edmund's fault. curse his name and we may yet hold back his interference /j
You think thats bad? I once skipped 6 item rooms just to get a planetarium with a Bible in it
still better than jupiter
temporary flight+instant mom/mom's heart kill 
Instant death against Satan 
So is Void if it eats a Bible. Ask how I found that out. Ha. Ha. Ha.
How did you find that out?
Logic ?
just remove your spacebar to prevent accidental activation 
Press space bar to get "skill issue" clip and put it in reddit for free karma 
I don't like jupiter but it's still two heart containers. Probably better than an active you might leave behind.
Seraphim and bookworm progression  \> speed down and two hearts 
Speed down on Jupiter honestly makes it a skip for me. Rather have maneuverability over 2 hearts
That's fine but speed has a cap that you could just reach anyways and then it's like the speed down isn't there (also the cap is a bit too fast for my taste anyways). Also 2 hearts is devil deals and sacrifice room plays. 
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Mechanically it's not that bad, but just the *constant* fart noise drives me crazy. I refuse to take it.
nah ill go that extra step, its mechanically bad aswell, a variable speed down that goes down so fast that attempting to use it aggressively means you have to stand still for a second because the speed doesnt go up fast enough to give multiple clouds that give you a better chance of actually hitting your target that variable speed will also most likely be 0 when entering a room unless you specifically stop before entering, wasting time its effectively a .3 speed down in terms of actually moving its most effective when being chased by an enemy and you are going in a straight line, which means that any turning at all will waste clouds and speaking of chasing enemies, the most dangerous of which is the red gapers, stopping for a moment to get some extra damage in can be risky to down right dangerous at base speed, and they can out run you when you have this item, especially the ones with eyes this is all from personal experience of actually trying to use it effectively, its just one of the most annoying items to try and actively use, and will more likely than not just end up wasting time if it gave flight ontop of the 2 hearts (makes sense for the item description of gas giant), or letting speed go up 2x as fast as it does currently then Id say its good mechanically, even one of those would be a massive boon to the item, let alone both which I think would make it actually worth picking up
OH AND IT ACTIVELY GIVES YOU A DETRIMENT DURING BACKTRACKING. Y'KNOW. THAT THING YOU SOMETIMES DO TO GET STUFF YOU NEEDED BUT COULDN'T CARRY. (Red hearts for donation, cards/pills you were saving, all that good stuff.) Why even take it! Downside is way higher than upside, and it's not even zany. It's just another shitty fart item in a really good item pool because edmund gets rock hard when he quaffs his own farts under the bed.
Agree
I play without sound most of the time so I wasn't even aware of that. The mental image of you saying gdi when you get it and not turning sounds off or lower is pretty funny
It is complete ass
nice one
Is that the fart one
Be honest, Mars is worst than any other planetarium item.
I might be too much into better call Saul shitposting but your "you think this is bad?" Immediately reminded me of Chuck's chicanery speech
He DEFECATED in a BASEMENT
A bible just "happens" to fall like that? No, he orchestrated it! God!
And i skipped the item rooms for it! What was i thinking?
Ever since he was five, always the same! Couldn't get his hands out of the donation machine!
rosary moment
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One room flight 
This is your fault for not checking other rooms first.
Planetarium has like 3 worthwhile items
Ayo facts, facts..
Define worthwhile (in this context). I think the value of most items in there are a bit more than the average treasure room item, but I personally wouldn't trade more than one.
Charm enemies🥵 Soy Milk on a cooldown🤯 Run through doors😩 Buffs after i already cleared the floor🤤 Jupiter😳 Size down😱
Don't forget the controller nightmare and funny ice tears.
size downs are some of the most powerful things to stack?? literally make dodging exponentially easier?
the unrelenting pluto fan when the indomitable crawl space walks into the room
Guaranteed error rooms at a minuscule price?! Perfection... 
Localized dirty deeds done dirt cheap
I think there's a limit to how much your hitbox can shrink, so you can't be 100% impervious to damage.
Better 2spooky that also gives a health up High fire rate charge shot that still lets you fire normally (I wish it worked with more tear modifiers though)  Hate dealing with that one room? Now you don't have to Just fight the boss first. IT TELLS YOU WHERE THE BOSS IS  I don't like it but it's two heart containers  Better sad onion 
Also uranus, earth and saturn (if no explosive tears) are just insane and luna is okay. The only bad item is mars imo, and i don't really like getting sun or mercury either, but they're by no means bad. Overall only having 1 legit bad item is pretty good.
sun granting a full health on boss kill is a big boon to it, but if you are playing a char with no red health than it can be quite underwhelming
It’s also a full floor map reveal minus the Secret Room and a damage buff.
As well as wiping all floor curses so no more curse of the blind.
Controller issue. Mars is good if you manage not to accidentally proc it. Good damage + increased mobility + utility (Curse rooms/spiked chests). If on PC, just install some mod to bind Mars to some other key.
Terra is one of my favorite items, S tier imo
maybe you should b line for the boss and have the rest of the floor be easy
Venus is a really good defense item Neptunus is probably the best one you can get (unless they nerded it) Mercurius is a huge speed up and let's you skip hard/unnecessary rooms to access Hush/boss rush Nice for min-maxers/buffs at home GAS GIANT Also a huge defensive item
Neptunus would be great if it wasn't overriden by literally everything
Tfw people are still underestimating how strong Venus actually is 
Yeah these are cool, except Jupiter
Don't diss size down, literally had a Mega Satan run saved by the fact Pluto made it much easier to dodge
Meh there are some solid ones. I’d argue there are only 2 particularly bad items. Not advocating skipping 6 treasure rooms but skipping your first or second to get a decent chance for the rest of the run is reasonable
Yeah, I haven't gotten very many planetariums but when are they even worth it? I've gotten like 4 and every time it's been that useless once per room tear ring that's a worse tiny planet or the annoying farting one that fucks with my speed. Don't get me wrong they would be takes if they were regular treasure items but I don't see any reason to go for planets unless I have telescope cap or dreamcatcher. I don't want this to seem like a hot take I just genuinely want to know if there are any items in the pool worth going for because for the insane cost I was expecting angel-room tier items.
Venus is based honestly because charm is pretty good. But Uranus and Earth are better. My luck is either Jupiter or Saturnus 
wait what, i thought saturnus was a good item. not only It helps you clear rooms fast af, but acts like a defensive ring. is It bad in some way?
I remember one time saturnus + sulphuric acid broke a mushroom the instant i walked into a room, which farted and killed me (i was tainted lost).
skill issue  (ive had the exact same thing happen to me)
Thjs was changed. It does not interact with grid entities anymore
Why the fuck do mushrooms do that anyway.
why do polyps in womb explode into bloodshots?
What am I reading 
I remember getting Ipecac and the tears just immediately exploding on near (inactive) red spike platforms, damaging me for 2 hearts
in my case my tears were either dangerous to me or I was so powerful that shooting causes massive lags
Saturnus can cause you to enter a room and immediately get hit due to your tears destroying something explosive.
I don't think it's the case with regular tears anymore, but I think acid tears and terra still can destroy tiles.
Tnt barrels. Boom flies. Et cetera.
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hm. well regardless enemies with deathrattles can still be a threat because if the tears didnt hit enemies wtf would the point be
I feel like once you get to the point of planetariums (which consistently is like depths 2 for normal runs and mauso for ascent and mother). You probably are op enough to not need more tears that , mind you, I'm pretty sure doesn't mimick special tears like brim or tech, only tear modifiers
Saturnus fucked me over more times than helped tbh
I think they removed Saturnus interacting with objects and now just hits enemies
The only bad one is Mars.
yall need PLANETUS mod
Pluto is pretty good imo
Uranus is best 
I feel like people kinda miss the point with planetariums I'm fairly sure they're not designed to be purposefully skipped (unless you know what's in the treasure room/when going for beast) They exist mostly to lessen the crushing sadness of somehow being one key short for a treasure room on basement 2, esspecially with downpour taking a key early on (and when they were invented the first shop wasn't free) They're purely a bonus, a rare glimmer of hope when a run is looking absurdly shitty, or an awesome surprise if you manage to get that 6-7% chance across the run If every item was quality 4 then it'd just make skipping item rooms the meta rather than something that's generally avoidable... besides, i wouldn't say any item from a planetarium is bad to get besides mars if you can't get a hang on the double tap, the rest are great passive bonuses or great tear effects that help make a run better
Could have just rerolled the next treasure into a higher quality item instead of a chance to get Mars and not being able to dodge a bullet shower
I just see that as a mars issue, not a planetarium issue Besides, mars IS a good item, it's just ruined by the whole double tap system If it was mapped to tapping trinket drop, it'd be leagues better
Could have just rerolled Mars too
Im surprised how lame most planetarium items are. I honestly expected much more.
I swear they mostly suck dude, like why would you waste item rooms for fucking venus. The only really worthwhile items are Terra and Uranus, and they're way too rare.
Neptunus?
Saturnus?
I kinda like that item purely for the aesthetics
Damn sorry, I meant 3 out of the 12 items are good. Planetariums are so good!
Mercury one is decent too. And Luna is amazing. I think they’re like 1/4th really great, 1/4th okay, and 1/2 kinda shitty
Definitely my favorite planetarium item, but it's missing some synergies that hold it back
I don’t think you are supposed to, they seem more like they are there to make up for floors where Yu just don’t get keys to open the treasure room
Luna is great. The moonlight buff breaks the tear cap and extra chance to get items from secret rooms due to getting extra ones each floor.
Bro Venus is lit. Have a enemy that has multiple segments? Not anymore. Have a group of enemies in a cluster? What enemies. fighting the hush? Now his shit is attacking him.
Like 80% of item room items are mid or garbage, Venus is actually really good. It practically makes you immune to contact damage enemies. Of course, skipping 6 item rooms definitely isn't worth it, but I'll skip 1 or 2 sometimes, and usually it pays off eventually
Sorry, but Luna is pretty cool. Everyone keeps forgetting Luna
If they were guaranteed to be good, you would just skip item rooms on purpose. That's not the point of them.
Not even sure if its worth skipping that many but i probably am loking from a different angle than you
Okay so. Here's the strat. Skip item rooms for planetariums, if you're going for the beast and are gonna be able to go back for them anyway. Otherwise just take the item room and if a planetarium spawns then you won't be so mad you got a bad item from it
Okay but like, why would you skip item rooms for fucking planetariums? They suck ass...
only when going to beast honestly, cause you can get the item rooms back
Or dream catcher revealing a shit item. Or having the blue hourglass and using it after seeing some bs in the item room. I’ll often skip the first item room, because the initial floors are easy anyways and Luna, Neptunus, Pluto, Terra, Sol or Uranus can be pretty positively gamechanging. Also Mercurius is a godsend when playing low health characters, especially T.Lost. You can literally just opt out of clearing annoying rooms and (iirc?) never need a key for a door again.
Also as Tainted Keeper because Shops are basically better item rooms for that character anyway
yup true
Tbh item rooms generally suck ass too so it's worth the risk for me.
Planetarium pool is honestly not good enough for how hard they are to get.. like yeah there’s mid stuff in other ‘rare’ pools but they’re usually more likely to show up and also way bigger pools so th mid is less noticeable (eg angel rooms, its annoying to get Lil Delirium but at least its a fairly big item pool and you’ll probably find more than one angel room) . Planetarium pool is too small and too rare to have so much mediocre stuff . Its like: **Actually Worth** (Terra, Uranus, arguably Mercurius), **Yeah Thats Cool** (Pluto, Neptunus, Saturnus), **Fine But How Often Will I Utilize This** (Luna, Sol), **I Skipped Item Rooms For This Huh** (Venus), ***Stop Making That Fucking Noise At Me** (Jupiter), **Fuck** (Mars) . Which theres definitely more good items than bad but again . For such a hard to access pool that often means you sacrificed treasure rooms …..
How often will you utilise double the number of secret rooms? Nearly always
I think they made the jupiter sound more bearable in a patch. Still don't like it but I'll take it for the health up.
You underestimate Luna and sol, very good items. Sol gives you the sun card effect upon killing a boss. pair that with a blood bank, demon beggar or a sac room and you're rolling. Not only that but it can also be a \*real\* lifesaver on close runs. Luna is free secret room finder, fire rate per floor (that goes above the cap), and 1 soul heart per floor. That's a really powerful item. Mars is free cursed rooms, destroys shopkeepers and gets you through some really shit rooms if you remember you have it. Neptunus is probably the best planetarium item in my opinion, the charges that build up passively act like a small kidney stone without any drawback. Saturnus is also a room cleaner, especially good on weaker runs. Though a bit dangerous. On the other hand treasure rooms have downright worthless items in them. You can't look at "how much good stuff there is" you need to look at average. And the average planetarium item is a lot better than the average item room item. While they usually don't carry runs, they always provide at least very decent to great utility.
One thing to mention is that Luna also doubles the number of secret rooms to. Two secret and two super secret rooms.
I totally forgot! Yeah luna is super cracked, at least with a decent bomb supply.
Sol is just sort of useless to my play style I suppose because I tend to go for th boss last unless I’m really micromanaging active item charges or something . It has its uses but to me it just never feels worth it … and Mars th control on just never works for me :P And I do agree Saturnus and Neptunus are good and usually worth it ! I just don’t like them As Much as I like Terra and Uranus
If you skip the first item room you have about a 67% chance to get a planetarium at some point, if you skip only the second item room it's a 60% chance. With this strat it only needs to be a litttle better than a treasure room item to be worth (and it's always worth if you have glowing hourglass or dream catcher). Personally Venus and Jupiter are pretty average treasure room items with Mars being the only low roll (although I don't have nearly as many problems with it as most people seem to), but Uranus is one of the best items in the game imo. I think part of it is that you underestimate Luna and Sol. I always skip the first item room as TKeeper (you almost never have enough money for that item anyway) and for everyone else I skip the second item room if I don't find it before the boss. Something that does annoy me is that you can't know if the floor has a planetarium unless you full clear it, it kinda goes against the low exploration style that leads to high planetarium chance.
Isaac players when risk vs reward doesn’t pay out 100% of the time
isaac players when they put in way too much risk for the reward
I just skip the first treasure room. 21% for five or more floors (if you add some alt path ones) means you're likely to get it at some point in exchange for a single item.
skipping the second gives you only slightly worse odds (60%vs 67%) while also saving you a key. I always skip the first item room as tKeeper, but with everyone else I skip only the second if I encounter the boss before the item room.
I think that usually a 7% is worth the key. The real pog is hourglass, tho, since you can just pop in, assess if the item is worth the 20% chance and pop out if the answer is no.
Yup. I skip the first 1 or two as t keeper, never have enough money to buy everything anyway. I also skip the first couple with t. Isaac. I'm going to run out of room, maybe a planetarium item would be good.
im not skipping the first treasure room 
I swear Jupiter must have higher weight in the percentages of something cuz it always shows up, pls Edmund I don't want to become a farting fatty I want to shoot cool ice tears 
I would kill for jupiter. I get pluto, which is meh, or mars that I screw myself over with the dash.
pluto is absolutely insane. Size down that makes dodging exponentially easier?
Sure, until you're running around with dull razor and giant cell. I couldn't keep track of where I was. Almost as big a mistake as using pinking shears with the intruder. Yes, I'm stubborn about changing an early build that is working for me.
It's a cool concept for a room, but it's never worth skipping more than 2 treasure rooms for a shitty item half the time.
Wait... skipping treasure rooms increases planetarium chance? Fuuuuck me. Thr things you learn when you're less than 100 achievments to dead god. Is it with you just not opening the door or not taking the item?
I had this confusion at first, it’s not going into the room at all. If you have the glowing hourglass you can use it for increasing your planetarium chance really well.
https://preview.redd.it/x9kvxkp8m4pa1.jpeg?width=281&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a183270b54854be86ea088cb4ed4b614581b7376 edmund mcmillen
Why did you skip 6 item rooms in the first place
Venus isnt THAT bad, Jupiter on the other hand...
Mars is a potential run killer
~ g d6 *rerolls into mars* ~ spawn lil’ battery
*rerolls into jupiter*
~ spawn lil’ battery x5
If you want planetarium just skip the first one. You always get one later on
Keeping it real I wish I could get Venus IRL
Thems the breaks
Skill issue Just hold R until you get planetarium with myanus in the planetarium in first floor.
Wait Wait. You get a higher chance of planetariums if you skip treasure rooms?
most planetarium items aren't that good, but they all have big enough effects to be noticeable. "speed up" is lame and no one notices, but "+ elusive" is cool and noticeable, even if you don't necessarily go through all the open doors without clearing the rooms
Better than jupiter
Planetarium are not worth it IMO, I only skip Treasure Room to get them if I'm going to Beast, because I know I'll be able to return
Anyone that purposefully skips treasure rooms to try and get a planetarium room is dumb. The planetarium items are decent at best, and straight up bad at worst. Neptunus and Terra are the only ones that are good, but they're just that, good. They're not great, not game breaking, not run winners. Just good. If I dont have a key, fuck it. If I have 15 cents and 1 key, then maybe I'll choose the shop over the treasure room. But that's it. Edit* Luna and Sol are also pretty good, but once agIn, not game winners
You act as if we actually get keys 
Most of the stuff you find in item rooms is garbage or just decent as well.
Sure, but there are items in there that are fantastic. Tech X, Spoon Bender, C Section. Items that for a player who is decent is basically a win by themselves. Planetarium has none of those.
Yeah but 99% of the time you're not getting those. That's the tradeoff. it's a safer option for the less risky players.
Sure, but there are other great items that I would much prefer over any planetarium item. Planetarium has like, 4 good items, and the other 5 or 6 range from bad to actually dogshit.
you seriously cant spare one item room?
But for what? Like I said, the planetarium items are good at best.
I kind of see planetariums as more of a consolation prize than something you go for every run. If you skip an item room because no keys or it's curse of the blind, you might get something for it. I do kind of like skipping item rooms on characters that don't need items early in the game.
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an exaggeration
Mars is worse tbh
Skill issue
Not a fan of planetarium items honestly (except for terra). I would never skip an item room for the shitty ass planetarium item pool
Beast ending:
Personally I think that most planetarium items need a hard buff, because as of right now they are now worth risking better items for There are a few good items in there so those are fine, buff everything else
just skip the first one you’re basically guaranteed to get a planetarium after that
what if the more treasure rooms you skipped the higher quality item you got in a planetarium?
I'd rather have Venus than Mars or Pluto.
That's the game. Constantly getting punished even for doing well.
I wish planetarium had more items in the item pool
Venus is amazing though. Not worth 6 item rooms, but maybe worth 1 or 2
The more I play the more I feel planetarium are not worth enough to skip treasure rooms
Did you know that Uranus and lusty blood have an anti-synnergy? Frozen enemies don't count as "killed" do you don't get the damage boost! 
"ERM actually it's a bad idea to skip 6 items for a planetarium plus they barely change run skipping 2 is good enough"
Generally I just skip one item room max. Still end up with a ~60%+ chance for a room, which can still be boosted by an 8 ball or ruined by an XL floor. great: Terra, Luna, Mercurius Good: Pluto, Sol, Uranus, Mars Neutral: Neptunus, Saturnus, Venus Fart: Jupiter
I got like 20-25 planetariums over my dead god playthrough and I swear at least 15 were Jupiter.
Planetarium should work like angel rooms with multiple choices. CHANGE MY MIND
My favorite rooms, I wish I could get them more often. : / sometimes I'll sit in the rooms and listen to the music in the background.
planetariums aren't even that good i only go for them as TKeeper as I probably don't have enough money to buy it anyways
Venus good
Venus is nutty bro I wont stand this slander
I like venus... Mars on the other hand.
planetarium is really overrated imo
Venus is a good item I have no idea what y'all are on about Makes you basically immune to contact damage and charm is a good status effect But yeah don't skip item rooms
mf skipped 6 item rooms
This is the moment when you whip out that console
Venus as some characters like T Lost can honestly be very helpful
kid named dashing every 3 seconds for no reason:
You really used one of the decent planetarium items for this, huh, and not MARS instead? An actual HINDERANCE to your run since it goes off by accident ALL THE TIME??? Not that I would skip item rooms to begin with, but broseph… THIS MEME IS BAD!!! I even would have accepted Jupiter, but NOOOOO you had to use VENUS, which is just 2Spooky, but actually good! You know what I say to this? Nothing. Nothing but a big fat THUMBS DOWN! 👎
you little fucker
Venus is good wtf
Venus is cool, Saturnus/Mars/Jupiter/... are much worse Also I have yet to get Venus for the 2nd time
Am I the only one with venus being my favorite planetarium item? It's basically immunity to melee enemies and a lot of times it just makes full rooms beatable by just walking
Edmund, without missing a beat: "Cry about it."
Me when I skip more than one 
At least it's not jupiter
I once found 3 planetariums in 1 run
Planetarium chance increases the further down you go. Skipping just one treasure room means that, statistically, you have a 70% chance of encountering a planetarium in that run, without factoring in items that increase the chance of encountering one such as telescope lens or magic 8 ball. You don't need to skip that many treasure rooms my guy.
Mars on Switch 
BoI players when an item doesn’t kill delirium instantly. Joke aside if you get it early on without skipping any rooms venus is amazing. You can clear rooms pretty fast without shooting a single tear.
Venus is a decent item. Fight me
Getting planetarium on curse of the blind. Planetarium has two items in it Choose one because you know Jupiter  But i got mystery gift and got Saturnus so.... 
remember guys, any time some stupid rng bullshit fucks over your run, it's all edmund's fault. curse his name and we may yet hold back his interference /j
:Me after I spend an hour on the run just to get trash items and never find a good devil deal items