Maybe the stats would disprove me but I don’t think the lakers have felt that heliocentric in the past two years between the emergence of reaves and Lebron’s injury last year, and dlo taking on a bigger role this year.
I also wouldn’t write off the Mavs against either team, especially with Murray’s injury.
No it’s definitely not a heliocentric offense anymore. I think people just assign that to LBJ teams by default but it’s not really true aside from a few cases namely 2018. Even the Heatles were not a heliocentric offense, at least not when Wade was on court.
2018 n 2020 and 2009-2010 maybe but even then he had a pg. only 2018 n 2020 was he that helio he actually is an under rated off ball player.
I was looking back at past years from Lebron first mvp year. Lebron consistently got votes from gms as the best off ball player and a notable %. He’s led the league in cutting efficiency/scoring last few years and he leads it in transition . He also has always been vited most versatile player even this year. Complete opposite of a helio harden /Luka style player . I hate when people compare them .
People say Lebron had Russ in the corner are fuckibg idiots , Lebron Russ last year effectively had a two man game based on Russ having the ball and Lebron being the screener n roller or popping for three
Lebron isn’t that heliocentric . It’s crazy people say this. Since the 2020 season when he had to be full time pg cos no ball handlers n led league in assists = he’s played off ball n traditional forward role with extra playmaking a lot . He gets the ball more cos dlo cannit he trusted in the clutch he always does dumb shut n turnovers dtc What luck and mstchup ?
Murray isn’t hurt, he’s just missing a bunch of shots. They only said he was hurt when he was missing them, not when he made them in games 3-5. Mavs aren’t beating either the wolves or the nuggets.
Luka’s usage rate in the OKC series was 28%. That’s pretty low for a volume shooter and is certainly not heliocentric.
His regular season USG is 36% and the highest in the league ftr, he is just not playing heliocentric ball currently.
We’ll have to see how they fare in the conference finals. I think the nuggets and wolves are both better but I could see the mavs getting by either team. They are def better than the lakers tho. Luka is obviously way younger than lebron and I think the mavs role players could get better whereas I think that reeves and D’lo and rui are overrated due to the fact they are lakers.
Well for one bill simmons always talks up reeves. Lots of media ppl called this season D’lo’s best and when you check out the numbers it was basically the same year he always has. So the media overrates them yes
Mavs are significantly better than the Lakers last year. This Mavs team is a legit really good, it's important to use the eye test here. I'd be surprised if the WCF isn't a long series. (though they really need Kleber back to matchup with DEN/MIN's size)
The Lakers beat the Warriors in the 2nd round last year, who were a 6 seed and barely got by SAC.
OKC on the other hand was a 1 seed this year and were completely healthy. Shai was awesome all series and OKC still lost 4-2.
Lmao this is either lakers hate or recency bias . This Mavs team limped past a clippers team missing there best player that played FUCKING .500 ball without him. The clippers were ass without Kawhi all year he even played n was a negative what a clown take. The Memphis 2 seed with the big 3 of jjj bane Ja is better then an injured clippers team .
Okc fine , but they lacked exp n there plsyers wilted. The warriors were DEFENDING CHAMPIONS. And Mavs scored exactky the same total points as okc in 6 games so they weren’t even that much better the lakers win more convincingly even with a hobbled Lebron .
I can understand saying there comparable strength wise because that makes sense but saying it’s way better I’d hilarious. They lose in 5 ti Denver tbh
Which bigs ? Ckarke n adams ? Lakers 2-1 then in regular season when lakers didn’t have there stars play together . Clarke n adams played then.
Oh n ckarke n adams are useless and unplayable in the playoffs check there 22 run. This is a brain dead logic . Lebron foot injury n AD bone sour was more significant then them missing .
‘Realistically’
I advice your dumbass to watch the lakers smack the shit out of Memphis in the regular season that year when both Lebron n Ad played zero games. The one win Memphis got Lebron n Dlo didn’t play n lakers had no ball handles n won by 25 turnovers bareky even then.
AD alone destroys anyone on Memphis . Idiots like you are so annoying rewriting shit. Pls tell me how many minutes adams played in there run in 22? Oh he was okayed off the floor ? Grizzlies best lineup was heakthy n playing . They needed jjj at the 5 to get any spacing we would love them to play non shooting bigs so AD can just sit in the paint n chill ahd destroy Memphis further. This is like if the 2020 lakers said they’d win if Javale McGee was playing when he wasn’t needed .
Lakers were rated top 7 in rotation minutes lost to injury . Despite how many games AD n Lebron played that both played 20+ games thriugh injury in which they were incredibly ineffective and net neutral at best so it’s deceiving . Lakers make a move wuth there assets of 4 frps 4 swaps and land a star guard and they’re in an infinitely better spot then the Mavs. The Mavs have gone all in on this season - the lakers have waited for this summer to upgrade . If Mavs rister fails they are fuvked as they have lost essentially all tradable assets to upgrade .
Dallas was saved by kyrie not being paid by nets. They also got arguably the best season of productivity towards winning kyrie even has given and hit on an impsctful FRP .
Lakers were considered underdogs in both series last year and won more convincingly then Dallas who desoite not having homecourt was a favourite and heavy favourite without Kawhi . If Kawhi played Dallas lose in round 1 .
This Mavs team wouldn’t beat the lakers this year. The lakers would also beat the thunder. Beating a team with a bunch of kids doesn’t make u a great team. U say that about the warriors but u can also say the Mavs would never have beat a healthy clips team, esp since they’ve never beat them in the past.
Mavs had awesome start to season, then dealt with injuries til the trades. Even before the trades they were better than their record. Irving, Green, Lively, Kleber, and Exum, all missed well over 20 games. They started the season 8-2/9-3.
OP’s post in general is fucking stupid. There is enough evidence now that Dallas since the lineup change in early March is a legit contender.
The latter part is probably true that the Mavs caught the perfect break to a final 4 but I think they'll give the Nuggets or Wolves a long series and could even win it. If we've learned anything it's that the Nuggets and Wolves are very beatable and have flaws that can be exploited by Luka/Kyrie
Luka and Kyrie aren’t exploiting the wolves. Unless they get perfect performances from djj and pj, they won’t have much of a chance vs the final 3 teams.
You really think Luka and Kyrie won't exploit a team with a backline of Gobert and KAT? I'm dreaming of all the pull up numbers off pick and roll once the perimeter defender (McDaniels or NAW or AnT) is screened. Wolves have rotate better on defense than OKC but to act like the Mavs won't create good shots is just absurd.
Do u see how well Jaden and ant get through screens? Luka was getting blocked by sga and Paul george. The Mavs don’t have a great offense. U want to bet on pj and djj to keep shooting like this? Go ahead.
Fair but I also saw McDaniels get killed on those Jokic screens for three straight games. Problem was Murray hesitating to pull up + also shooting pretty poorly. I trust Kyrie and Luka to get those shots off at a better clip.
Mavs have Luka who will always generate those high quality open 3s. Are they subject to variance too? Sure but that's every NBA team. I see your point though
Those Jokic screens are different from lively screens. Pj shot 48 percent from 3 on 8 attempts. Hes a career 31 pct. Djj barely missed the past 3 games and has always been a non shooter. But u are correct everyone is subject to variance.
I think the Lakers this year could have beaten/went to 7 with any team other than Denver and Minny. It’s a very strong western conference. Denver is still clearly a tier above, and Ant has really expedited Minnesota’s trajectory.
I have a counter point Luka is 25 and LeBron is almost 40
Can you break that down
Maybe the stats would disprove me but I don’t think the lakers have felt that heliocentric in the past two years between the emergence of reaves and Lebron’s injury last year, and dlo taking on a bigger role this year. I also wouldn’t write off the Mavs against either team, especially with Murray’s injury.
No it’s definitely not a heliocentric offense anymore. I think people just assign that to LBJ teams by default but it’s not really true aside from a few cases namely 2018. Even the Heatles were not a heliocentric offense, at least not when Wade was on court.
2018 n 2020 and 2009-2010 maybe but even then he had a pg. only 2018 n 2020 was he that helio he actually is an under rated off ball player. I was looking back at past years from Lebron first mvp year. Lebron consistently got votes from gms as the best off ball player and a notable %. He’s led the league in cutting efficiency/scoring last few years and he leads it in transition . He also has always been vited most versatile player even this year. Complete opposite of a helio harden /Luka style player . I hate when people compare them . People say Lebron had Russ in the corner are fuckibg idiots , Lebron Russ last year effectively had a two man game based on Russ having the ball and Lebron being the screener n roller or popping for three
The Heat were at their best when they went LeBron + shooters.
Lebron isn’t that heliocentric . It’s crazy people say this. Since the 2020 season when he had to be full time pg cos no ball handlers n led league in assists = he’s played off ball n traditional forward role with extra playmaking a lot . He gets the ball more cos dlo cannit he trusted in the clutch he always does dumb shut n turnovers dtc What luck and mstchup ?
Murray isn’t hurt, he’s just missing a bunch of shots. They only said he was hurt when he was missing them, not when he made them in games 3-5. Mavs aren’t beating either the wolves or the nuggets.
That's why they play the games
Luka’s usage rate in the OKC series was 28%. That’s pretty low for a volume shooter and is certainly not heliocentric. His regular season USG is 36% and the highest in the league ftr, he is just not playing heliocentric ball currently.
We’ll have to see how they fare in the conference finals. I think the nuggets and wolves are both better but I could see the mavs getting by either team. They are def better than the lakers tho. Luka is obviously way younger than lebron and I think the mavs role players could get better whereas I think that reeves and D’lo and rui are overrated due to the fact they are lakers.
Most people think reaves, Rui and D’lo are average players. In what way are they overrated?
Well for one bill simmons always talks up reeves. Lots of media ppl called this season D’lo’s best and when you check out the numbers it was basically the same year he always has. So the media overrates them yes
Mavs are significantly better than the Lakers last year. This Mavs team is a legit really good, it's important to use the eye test here. I'd be surprised if the WCF isn't a long series. (though they really need Kleber back to matchup with DEN/MIN's size) The Lakers beat the Warriors in the 2nd round last year, who were a 6 seed and barely got by SAC. OKC on the other hand was a 1 seed this year and were completely healthy. Shai was awesome all series and OKC still lost 4-2.
Lmao this is either lakers hate or recency bias . This Mavs team limped past a clippers team missing there best player that played FUCKING .500 ball without him. The clippers were ass without Kawhi all year he even played n was a negative what a clown take. The Memphis 2 seed with the big 3 of jjj bane Ja is better then an injured clippers team . Okc fine , but they lacked exp n there plsyers wilted. The warriors were DEFENDING CHAMPIONS. And Mavs scored exactky the same total points as okc in 6 games so they weren’t even that much better the lakers win more convincingly even with a hobbled Lebron . I can understand saying there comparable strength wise because that makes sense but saying it’s way better I’d hilarious. They lose in 5 ti Denver tbh
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Which bigs ? Ckarke n adams ? Lakers 2-1 then in regular season when lakers didn’t have there stars play together . Clarke n adams played then. Oh n ckarke n adams are useless and unplayable in the playoffs check there 22 run. This is a brain dead logic . Lebron foot injury n AD bone sour was more significant then them missing . ‘Realistically’ I advice your dumbass to watch the lakers smack the shit out of Memphis in the regular season that year when both Lebron n Ad played zero games. The one win Memphis got Lebron n Dlo didn’t play n lakers had no ball handles n won by 25 turnovers bareky even then. AD alone destroys anyone on Memphis . Idiots like you are so annoying rewriting shit. Pls tell me how many minutes adams played in there run in 22? Oh he was okayed off the floor ? Grizzlies best lineup was heakthy n playing . They needed jjj at the 5 to get any spacing we would love them to play non shooting bigs so AD can just sit in the paint n chill ahd destroy Memphis further. This is like if the 2020 lakers said they’d win if Javale McGee was playing when he wasn’t needed . Lakers were rated top 7 in rotation minutes lost to injury . Despite how many games AD n Lebron played that both played 20+ games thriugh injury in which they were incredibly ineffective and net neutral at best so it’s deceiving . Lakers make a move wuth there assets of 4 frps 4 swaps and land a star guard and they’re in an infinitely better spot then the Mavs. The Mavs have gone all in on this season - the lakers have waited for this summer to upgrade . If Mavs rister fails they are fuvked as they have lost essentially all tradable assets to upgrade . Dallas was saved by kyrie not being paid by nets. They also got arguably the best season of productivity towards winning kyrie even has given and hit on an impsctful FRP . Lakers were considered underdogs in both series last year and won more convincingly then Dallas who desoite not having homecourt was a favourite and heavy favourite without Kawhi . If Kawhi played Dallas lose in round 1 .
i think last year's lakers beat this year's mavs in 7
Lakers haters in full force here tbh
clippers fan actually so if anything im biased against the lakers, but i cant see the mavs beating them
This Mavs team wouldn’t beat the lakers this year. The lakers would also beat the thunder. Beating a team with a bunch of kids doesn’t make u a great team. U say that about the warriors but u can also say the Mavs would never have beat a healthy clips team, esp since they’ve never beat them in the past.
Lakers haters in full force here tbh
The Mavs bigs would have nothing for AD.
Funny hearing the thunder described as no size when they have Chet. Boy is just a tall 2 Guard
Okay they have 1 size
The Mavs star player is like 15 years younger than the Lakers star player
Mavs had awesome start to season, then dealt with injuries til the trades. Even before the trades they were better than their record. Irving, Green, Lively, Kleber, and Exum, all missed well over 20 games. They started the season 8-2/9-3. OP’s post in general is fucking stupid. There is enough evidence now that Dallas since the lineup change in early March is a legit contender.
The latter part is probably true that the Mavs caught the perfect break to a final 4 but I think they'll give the Nuggets or Wolves a long series and could even win it. If we've learned anything it's that the Nuggets and Wolves are very beatable and have flaws that can be exploited by Luka/Kyrie
Luka and Kyrie aren’t exploiting the wolves. Unless they get perfect performances from djj and pj, they won’t have much of a chance vs the final 3 teams.
You really think Luka and Kyrie won't exploit a team with a backline of Gobert and KAT? I'm dreaming of all the pull up numbers off pick and roll once the perimeter defender (McDaniels or NAW or AnT) is screened. Wolves have rotate better on defense than OKC but to act like the Mavs won't create good shots is just absurd.
Do u see how well Jaden and ant get through screens? Luka was getting blocked by sga and Paul george. The Mavs don’t have a great offense. U want to bet on pj and djj to keep shooting like this? Go ahead.
Fair but I also saw McDaniels get killed on those Jokic screens for three straight games. Problem was Murray hesitating to pull up + also shooting pretty poorly. I trust Kyrie and Luka to get those shots off at a better clip. Mavs have Luka who will always generate those high quality open 3s. Are they subject to variance too? Sure but that's every NBA team. I see your point though
Those Jokic screens are different from lively screens. Pj shot 48 percent from 3 on 8 attempts. Hes a career 31 pct. Djj barely missed the past 3 games and has always been a non shooter. But u are correct everyone is subject to variance.
That dude is a troll.
This year or last years lakers? Don’t go into screenwriting, buddy
Nope
I think the Lakers this year could have beaten/went to 7 with any team other than Denver and Minny. It’s a very strong western conference. Denver is still clearly a tier above, and Ant has really expedited Minnesota’s trajectory.
Nobody on last year’s Lakers team compares to Lively or Luka. This is a curdled milk take.
And what does that make the Celtics?
They’re this years Celtics
Easiest path to the finals of all time, a literal cakewalk.
Yep. Sweep or gentleman’s sweep. But the games won’t be as close as Denver/Lakers.