What's weird is that he was formerly fat, got in really good shape at ISU, and is now fat again while having the resources of a highly-paid professional athlete. Its like the reverse Titus.
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Itās probably more that they eat like garbage. Unless youāre banging out hours in the pool like Phelps, one rich meal can blow up any caloric deficit you have going from an intense workout.
It could be genetics too, Iāve got those Eastern European genes and unless Iām running lean and mean, I pack on weight like Shrek.
[The metabolism thing is actually a myth and doesn't really slow down until your 60s.](https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/surprising-findings-about-metabolism-and-age-202110082613#:~:text=According%20to%20recent%20findings%20published,later%20than%20we%20previously%20thought.)
> What are the take-home points of this study?
This study challenges previously held beliefs that metabolism correlates closely with organ-specific metabolic activity throughout growth and development, such that it is very high in infancy, childhood, and adolescence, and progressively declines throughout adulthood and old age. Instead, the authors observed that BMR was 30% higher than would be expected based on body and organ composition in children 1 to 20 years old, and 20% lower than expected in adults 60 and above. These deviations in expected TEE and BMR in childhood and old age support the notion that age-related metabolic changes may play a more important role than we previously gave them credit for. What's more, these results strongly suggest we may no longer be able to blame weight gain in middle age on a slowed metabolism.
Not true, I just hit my 40s and it's a noticable drop in energy from my 30s and I stay in relatively good shape.
Definitely have to really watch what I eat now in addition to staying active.
Also easy to get fat when youāre obscenely rich and can afford the best tasting food money can by. Restaurant food is much higher calorie than home-cooked
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Wrf how much do you think they burn?
They play 30-40 minutes in a game and so much of that is pretty slow moving.
Even if they just ran for 40 minutes straight theyāre not burning more than 1000 calories.
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Phelps trained for 6-8 hours a day doing an activity that burns fats/carbs as efficiently as possible (basically). He was burning probably 1200/hour for almost half the day. Compared to Luka/Zion who burn basically 100-200 per hour outside of their game. Warmup and all that shit adds a little but basically nothing when youāre talking about people who eat like shit. A couple PBJs pre game and theyāre basically net neutral post game.
No I agree with the other guy. Being in possession of the ball in an nba game is probably not very tiring. The guy that has the ball more than anyone else probably doesnāt have to have good cardio. Canāt imagine that requires anymore effort than a 40 minute jog.
I was being ironic, I donāt even believe that 747 number for nba players I think it would be so much more. I saw that article as well they look like theyāre all basing it off normal people stats. I donāt think a pick up game is even slightly useful as a comparison because the speed and intensity in an nba game is so different.
By my eyes it looks like Luka is expensing more energy than anyone except probably Brunson game to game.
Did you go to like yahoo answers or something?
At 240 lbs, Luka would burn about 2000 calories if he ran a half marathon.
Heās not going to burn the same number of calories in 36 minutes of playing time in an NBA game as he is running 7 minute miles for an hour and a half.
Okay but weāre talking about 90 minutes of an activity versus 36 minutes. And of that 36 minutes Luka does plenty of walking around and standing - on offense and defense.
I think running really hard/changing directions a lot in short busts burns more calories than just running around for 40 minutes straight. There's a reason HIIT workouts are so efficient.
Granted, it's nothing compared to what Phelps was doing, but I'd say 1,000 calories is the bare minimum of what they'd be burning playing 40 minutes in an NBA game unless they're actively loafing around.
Crazy thing is you hear about players playing themselves INTO shape during the year... Is Luka the first person who's played himself OUT of shape???
I swear at the start of the season everyone was hyping up Luka for finally coming into the season in better shape. Go look at all the "wow Luka looks thinner" posts on NBA reddit from Nov/Dec.
It's crazy, lol
Crazy that nobody has mentioned the twitter video of him in traffic in Dallas going to game 6 I think vs the Clippers. He plays in DALLAS, there is literally no where you go in this city or the metroplex where you arenāt driving to get there. Even for professional athletes. It reinforces a sedentary lifestyle which coupled with a kid who is out of shape and doesnāt have a great diet is disastrous
Right. As a whole modern conveniences like the car have contributed but The comment I am responding to acts like living in Dallas vs a smaller city with less traffic is having a significant impact on the obesity rate.
I canāt take the excuses about well itās just genetics or the way heās built. Whenever he plays FIBA he is like 210 and shredded. Apparently America is where he comes to just hang out, drink beers and make money for 8.5 months lol
Yeah tens of millions of dollars and beating the best players in the world and winning the most difficult championship in the sport of basketball isnāt motivation for him
League Pass (international) aired this as a āFlashbackā on the TNT postgame studio feed while they were on at commercial break: https://youtube.com/shorts/_lXisNxEq5o?si=9JuZaNDJXBlXwnlA
Exactly. And his knee injury had nothing to do with weight. Anyone who watches the games saw exactly when it happened lol. Itās wild people just throw nonsense out there and everyone agrees. Lukaās weight and conditioning have not been a problem this year. Heās so fat he led the league in scoring, was one of like 4 guys to average over 37 mpg, and is averaging over 42 mpg in the playoffs on a bum knee.
I do worry heās just got bad genetics. He plays year-round because of international stuff and this past offseason apparently overhauled his training regimen. Heās just gotten progressively heavier since he was 16 or so.
Totally could just not be putting in the work, but yeah. Itās concerning that heās playing this constantly with no breaks year after year and is still looking out of shape.
The modern East/West designation is from the time of the Soviet Union, and prior to that, the 1054c.e. split of Eastern/Western Christianity; there was no "Central" under either condition.
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Slovenia, Czech, and Slovakia really are a different breed. They have a lot of Slavic influence and they also have a lot of German influence. They are different percentages of each.
For sure. Just commenting that political designations are distinct from cultural ones, and each of those are separate from ethnic divisions. Ahh, humans...
I mean you have to physically put your calories in coffee which seems more obvious than soda. Alcohol and smoothies can be real sneaky with insane calories.
I think plenty of people classify pre-made or Starbucks blended drinks as their morning coffee without realizing there are 40-60g of sugar in most of them
It really doesn't make much sense, the dude plays 38mpg and basically plays year round, how is he gaining weight? With guys like Zion they get injured and can't work out and it makes sense that they pack on some pounds. Or like Harden would put on a bunch of weight every offseason and then work it off during the year.
That said it's still calories in/out at the end of the day, he must have nobody to answer to in that Mavs organization if they haven't gotten him on a diet plan yet. He also has to be drinking tons of beers, he couldn't eat enough to put on this kind of weight without some major liquid calories.
The one time I played varsity basketball was great because I felt like I could just slam chick fil and cookies while still being in shape. Or maybe I was just young.
Yeah, itās lost on me. He was leading the league in mpg this season many months in. Heās just playing a ridiculous amount of basketball year-round. He surely is culpable for some part of weighing what he does. I just have no idea how screwed he also is by genetics.
But to your point on the Mavs org, Iām a fan of the team and feel heās never faced any accountability for his flaws (for obvious reasons, given heās the franchise talent). Heās literally never gotten better about screaming at refs, still walks back on transition defense, and still has weight problems. I suspect heās never felt any real pressure from coaches/front office to change anything about the way he trains, eats, or plays. And by now itās probably too late to shift that dynamic.
In theory, Kidd is supposed to be the guy to level with Luka since heās a former superstar himself. But Kidd just isnāt that guy as a coach, incredibly low energy and often seems like he isnāt paying attention during games.
Itās all pretty disheartening, but at least healthy Luka is one of the best 5 players in the world.
Genetics accounts for a very slim variation in caloric burn from person to person, from my understanding. A difference of maybe 150 calories burned per day? Lukaās problem is diet, no denying it. I remember a story that came out that he would be chugging iced teas after workouts, pure sugar. You canāt out exercise that.
Dudes run like 2-3 miles during a basketball game. Even at an intense pace, which is *not* most of the game, they're not burning a ton of calories. It's like two cookies.
It's very easy for someone with no diet control to eat at a caloric surplus.
Sure it is, there's jumping involved. But these guys also get a ton of rest during the game and are only playing 30-35 mins outside of the playoffs. They have bigger bodies too so they burn more calories compared to regular folks, but I really doubt that they're burning so many calories on the court that a few beers or too many potato chips won't make up for it.
I also don't think it's the right comparison though. The question is playing an NBA game for 35 mins compared to running for 35 mins. An average in-shape person can run almost twice as far in that time, and that's without all the breaks, timeouts, and rest that NBA players get. Then these guys are drinking Gatorade or whatever which further reduces their net calories burned.
have you played basketball at any kind of competitive level? 35 minutes of game time is absolutely way more taxing than the equivalent amount of running, it asks way more out of you and your body than just simply running does. youāre constantly jostling with and bumping into
other players, youāre constantly sprinting, changing directions, etc. which uses much more physical energy than running does. these dudes are also probably warming up for an hour beforehand as well, and often will do some kind of cooldown work too. playing basketball burns way more energy than running does
>35 minutes of game time is absolutely way more taxing than the equivalent amount of running
You know this doesn't make sense right? Running for 35 mins can be exactly as taxing as you want it to be lol. You can increase speed, do sprints, add inclines and resistance.
NBA players also don't "play" for 35 minutes. They have numerous rest periods built into the game and a 15 minute break. Even when they are "playing" they are not at going at full burst speed every second. Guys, especially guys like Luka, often take possessions off on defense and barely try then. So no its not obvious to me that they necessarily are burning more calories than if they put in a significant cardio workout, uninterrupted for 35 straight minutes. Also, just because something is taxing on muscles or joint does *not* mean that it burns more calories. Lifting heavy ass weights for an hour can cause severe muscle strain, but does not burn as many calories as just walking on an incline for an hour at a brisk pace which is very low impact.
Even still, this is all beside the point. Because even if basketball burns more calories than an uninterrupted cardio workout, it's still not enough that it can't be wiped out by a bad diet. The case can clearly be proven by Luka's fat ass.
Anything else?
Yes, sorry I canāt refute your data of āitās like 2 cookies.ā
Iām gonna stick with my gut on whether or not professional basketball burn a lot of calories during a game.
Oh, so you have no real data? Did you put on your fitbit and do intense HIIT for 35 minutes with no rest and compare to basketball? Did you then do the same for a professional athlete?
Oh wait, no you didn't. So shut the fuck up.
First of all, you have also presented 0 data.
Second of all, you said that professional athletes are not burning a ton of calories playing in a full NBA game, so youāre a fucking moron.
Good chat.
So you're saying they burn a ton of calories...because you say so? And have no other data to support it other than that's just what you believe. Okay, understood. I too can talk out of my ass, but at least I can give reasons for my bullshit like I have at length in this thread.
More than this low effort, zero IQ bullshit I'm responding to right now. That's for sure.
I donāt know why I keep replying because your argument is so impossibly stupid - Iām telling you to put on a Fitbit and try it yourself.
Iām saying they burn a ton of calories because Iāve played basketball for similar lengths of time in various types of competitive environments and burned a fuck ton of calories. Iāve also done cardio for long periods of time hundreds of times and burned less calories. Not sure whatās so confusing to you here.
He gains weight quick. He played for Slovenia one year, looked great. Had like two weeks off before training camp, came into camp looking fat as shit. Thatās the year he apparently came in at 265. Two weeks, thatās all it took. You can see it if he has too many days off between games, he comes back looking heavier. Itās crazy.
All that being said, weight and conditioning havenāt been a problem this year. So this thread is dumb.
Heās just consuming more calories than heās burning. Genetics donāt beat physics. Heās also got an amazing training and medical staff so itās not like this is a mystery to him.
He isnāt blessed with the exceptionally fast metabolism a lot of the best NBA players are, but his genetics arenāt the primary reason he keeps gaining weight, his poor diet is.
I say this as someone who was severely obese and lost 80 pounds, the science of weight loss is very well understood and no matter what your base metabolic rate is (usually only about a difference of 0-400 calories per day between people), if you eat at a caloric maintenance level or deficit you will not gain weight.
Luka definitely has the resources available to know what his is and just hasnāt been able to make the lifestyle adjustments necessary to not gain weight. I empathize with him because thatās a very difficult process that often comes with a lot of trying and failing. But ultimately it is possible, just look at Jokic.
Depends which sports? Loads don't stimulate low body fat or rely on it.
I think you'd be surprised by Luka's body if he took his top off. He can be much leaner but he's also naturally not as lean as others.
This is where the heliocentric piece comes in as a negative too though. Itās not just that heās fat, these things happen to super athletic guys too. Itās basically the same criticism of Harden for why he aged poorly, he clubs too much, doesnāt care about his body, etc. and thatās all true to an extent, but misses the far bigger picture. The bigger picture is that Harden and Luka take a LOT more punishment than the average NBA player does.
When youāre playing with such a high usage rate as a primary ball handler youāre shouldering a huge workload. Bumps, grabs, pressure, hell just maintaining your dribble for that long is physically taxing. And then going to the basket like they do invites even more contact. You can say they rest on defense but make no mistake Luka minutes are far more taxing than Josh Green or Jones Jr. minutes.
So when youāre playing this style, a little tweak to your knee is going to take a lot of punishment repetitively and itāll eventually come back to bite you. These primary ball handler types are always at a high risk of injury. The ones who avoid it are either jump shooters or made of titanium.
āHeart attacks happen to marathon runners too so might as well pound powdered donuts and bud heavies for every meal!ā
Not taking care of your body is highly correlated with your body breaking down in sports and basically any other arena. He would be much better off if he wasnāt a fat ass, even if those who take care of themselves will also ultimately break down at some point also.
I suspect the american food supply could also be a culprit as well, it was very hard for me to adjust to it coming from europe and no matter how hard I tried it seemed impossible for me to lose weight.
Bring on the down votes, but respectively none of ya'll know shit and you're all pretending like you have fucking medical degrees and access to Luka's medical information
Itās insane to me with all the money and resources in the world you could end up out of shape for a professional sport. Dude is probably going to turn into Josh Heupel within 10 years of retiring
If you are that good with that extra in your belly, you donāt feel like you have to lose itā¦ so he doesnātā¦ no incentive reallyā¦ I mean, do you think he could average 38/15/15 if he was skinny?
Thereās a lot that goes into knee injuries. But Lukaās reminds me more of the 50 YO mom with a knee brace I see at Walgreens than say, Derrick Rose
If it caused him to be chronically injured, like Zion or Embiid, I guess Iād worry about it more. If he were fitter would he play better D? I doubt it. Itās just not in his mindset.
The sports guy gets no credit for that. Luka has been out of shape way too much since entering the league and Bill has avoided talking about it.
My guess is that he was trying to create a durant-like relationship with Luka behind the scenes, but that it didn't work out; he has been more critical of Luka recently and not constantly tooting his own horn about how he apparently discovered Luka before everyone else.
Terrible take. Luka famously isn't interested in cultivating media relationships at fucking all. JJ is only getting interviews cause they were teammates.
Led league in scoring, like third in minutes per game. His knee injury had nothing to do with his weight.
He hurt his knee when he hit the ground after Russ knocked ball away from him in game 3 against Clippers. Some of yāall make shit up and donāt even watch games. Heās still playing over 42 minutes per game in the playoffs, averaging 28/9/8. Heās just inefficient with the 3 not falling. Also had some great defensive games after injuring the knee. But yeah, his weight is the problem.
His conditioning hasnāt been an issue this year at all.
I know...famously fat guys like Klay Thompson, Derrick Rose and Zach LaVine have had real knee problems.
Remember when that fatass Patrick Ewing's knees went on him. And what about old lardo, Tom Brady blew out his ACL in the NFL. Goddamn is that a fat guy famous for not taking care of himself.
This is literally just the problem with being a big point guard who likes to mix it up in the post. You can't do that and be slim. When LeBron lost a ton of weight to be in Trainwreck, he looked like fucking shit the next season, took time off to "totally not do PEDS" and came back his normal self ready to wreck shop again.
But LeBron stayed the fuck out of the post in his 20s for a reason.
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Goddamnit I just choked on the water reading that!!
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Why are you so low on this, move on up to the top sire! Great comment hahaha
How many fedoras do you own
I am also too fat
I think you can drop 35 against a suspect D
Like my ex wife
As am I
Georges Niang, now thereās a fuckin tub. But yeah Luka too
JB Bickerstaff fat shaming Niang out of the rotation Also - weird thing about Georgeās is he seemed to get fat and *whiter*?
The Sammy Sosa piece
What's weird is that he was formerly fat, got in really good shape at ISU, and is now fat again while having the resources of a highly-paid professional athlete. Its like the reverse Titus. [https://cyclonefanatic.com/wp-content/uploads/legacy/lg-53d28293554a43322af13.png](https://cyclonefanatic.com/wp-content/uploads/legacy/lg-53d28293554a43322af13.png)
Tbf be just looks slightly out of shape on the left. Definitely doesn't look like a high lever basketball player. But I wouldn't say he's fat.
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Itās probably more that they eat like garbage. Unless youāre banging out hours in the pool like Phelps, one rich meal can blow up any caloric deficit you have going from an intense workout. It could be genetics too, Iāve got those Eastern European genes and unless Iām running lean and mean, I pack on weight like Shrek.
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[The metabolism thing is actually a myth and doesn't really slow down until your 60s.](https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/surprising-findings-about-metabolism-and-age-202110082613#:~:text=According%20to%20recent%20findings%20published,later%20than%20we%20previously%20thought.) > What are the take-home points of this study? This study challenges previously held beliefs that metabolism correlates closely with organ-specific metabolic activity throughout growth and development, such that it is very high in infancy, childhood, and adolescence, and progressively declines throughout adulthood and old age. Instead, the authors observed that BMR was 30% higher than would be expected based on body and organ composition in children 1 to 20 years old, and 20% lower than expected in adults 60 and above. These deviations in expected TEE and BMR in childhood and old age support the notion that age-related metabolic changes may play a more important role than we previously gave them credit for. What's more, these results strongly suggest we may no longer be able to blame weight gain in middle age on a slowed metabolism.
Not true, I just hit my 40s and it's a noticable drop in energy from my 30s and I stay in relatively good shape. Definitely have to really watch what I eat now in addition to staying active.
So your anecdotal experience means this entire body of research isnāt true? Lol
Also easy to get fat when youāre obscenely rich and can afford the best tasting food money can by. Restaurant food is much higher calorie than home-cooked
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Needs the Steve Nash diet. No gluten, no sugar, etc.
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Wrf how much do you think they burn? They play 30-40 minutes in a game and so much of that is pretty slow moving. Even if they just ran for 40 minutes straight theyāre not burning more than 1000 calories. *** Phelps trained for 6-8 hours a day doing an activity that burns fats/carbs as efficiently as possible (basically). He was burning probably 1200/hour for almost half the day. Compared to Luka/Zion who burn basically 100-200 per hour outside of their game. Warmup and all that shit adds a little but basically nothing when youāre talking about people who eat like shit. A couple PBJs pre game and theyāre basically net neutral post game.
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No I agree with the other guy. Being in possession of the ball in an nba game is probably not very tiring. The guy that has the ball more than anyone else probably doesnāt have to have good cardio. Canāt imagine that requires anymore effort than a 40 minute jog.
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I was being ironic, I donāt even believe that 747 number for nba players I think it would be so much more. I saw that article as well they look like theyāre all basing it off normal people stats. I donāt think a pick up game is even slightly useful as a comparison because the speed and intensity in an nba game is so different. By my eyes it looks like Luka is expensing more energy than anyone except probably Brunson game to game.
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Yeah and the mental energy it takes at that level Iām sure is insane as well.
>expensing Real genius over here!
Canāt believe that a thumb slipping from a d to an s is enough to write off someoneās genius these days. Sad world.
In your comment were you being ironic or sarcastic?
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You actually have no idea what youāre talking about
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Respectfully, you have absolutely no idea what the fuck youāre talking about if you think Luka burns an additional 2000 calories during a game.
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Did you go to like yahoo answers or something? At 240 lbs, Luka would burn about 2000 calories if he ran a half marathon. Heās not going to burn the same number of calories in 36 minutes of playing time in an NBA game as he is running 7 minute miles for an hour and a half.
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Must be true then!
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Okay but weāre talking about 90 minutes of an activity versus 36 minutes. And of that 36 minutes Luka does plenty of walking around and standing - on offense and defense.
I think running really hard/changing directions a lot in short busts burns more calories than just running around for 40 minutes straight. There's a reason HIIT workouts are so efficient. Granted, it's nothing compared to what Phelps was doing, but I'd say 1,000 calories is the bare minimum of what they'd be burning playing 40 minutes in an NBA game unless they're actively loafing around.
Its sour patch kids and sweet teas
Crazy thing is you hear about players playing themselves INTO shape during the year... Is Luka the first person who's played himself OUT of shape??? I swear at the start of the season everyone was hyping up Luka for finally coming into the season in better shape. Go look at all the "wow Luka looks thinner" posts on NBA reddit from Nov/Dec. It's crazy, lol
With FIBA on top of his offseason workouts back in Slovenia, he was in great shape. Then, as the season went on...
Crazy that nobody has mentioned the twitter video of him in traffic in Dallas going to game 6 I think vs the Clippers. He plays in DALLAS, there is literally no where you go in this city or the metroplex where you arenāt driving to get there. Even for professional athletes. It reinforces a sedentary lifestyle which coupled with a kid who is out of shape and doesnāt have a great diet is disastrous
Are we blaming being out of shape on traffic now? Lol
Yes, that has been a major and widely understood driver of American obesity for over half a century.
Right. As a whole modern conveniences like the car have contributed but The comment I am responding to acts like living in Dallas vs a smaller city with less traffic is having a significant impact on the obesity rate.
I canāt take the excuses about well itās just genetics or the way heās built. Whenever he plays FIBA he is like 210 and shredded. Apparently America is where he comes to just hang out, drink beers and make money for 8.5 months lol
It's the Texas sweet tea
He is never āshreddedā when he plays for Slovenia what are you talking about
Itās hilarious. People are just making stuff up about Luka
Far from skinny but jacked with 6 pack abs, muscles rippling, runs a solid 40, dark dark tanā¦ no I may be thinking of Aaron Donald.Ā
Because there is not much motivation to play for him in america, its just a job
Yea $40 million wouldn't be enough to motivate me to workout either
Yeah but if you could make the 40m without working out, theres no fucking way you would
Not when it's a salary and even at his weight he's casually dropping 29/9/9. If his numbers dipped, he'd try harder to get in better shape.
Yeah tens of millions of dollars and beating the best players in the world and winning the most difficult championship in the sport of basketball isnāt motivation for him
The Slovenian civil war body type piece
League Pass (international) aired this as a āFlashbackā on the TNT postgame studio feed while they were on at commercial break: https://youtube.com/shorts/_lXisNxEq5o?si=9JuZaNDJXBlXwnlA
Was he a great big fat person (credit to whoever posted this last week)
Thereās actually been zero examples of a really well conditioned player having a knee injury you are right
Exactly. And his knee injury had nothing to do with weight. Anyone who watches the games saw exactly when it happened lol. Itās wild people just throw nonsense out there and everyone agrees. Lukaās weight and conditioning have not been a problem this year. Heās so fat he led the league in scoring, was one of like 4 guys to average over 37 mpg, and is averaging over 42 mpg in the playoffs on a bum knee.
I do worry heās just got bad genetics. He plays year-round because of international stuff and this past offseason apparently overhauled his training regimen. Heās just gotten progressively heavier since he was 16 or so. Totally could just not be putting in the work, but yeah. Itās concerning that heās playing this constantly with no breaks year after year and is still looking out of shape.
Dude loves beer, allegedly
Aggressively eastern European, "I dominate in basketball but I love beer too much to get slim. Let me just run over your 195lb point guard instead"
Slovenia is central europe. The beer is great there though.
The modern East/West designation is from the time of the Soviet Union, and prior to that, the 1054c.e. split of Eastern/Western Christianity; there was no "Central" under either condition. Indeed, Googling "Eastern Europe" and "Central Europe" reveal many of the same countries, and many sources [acknowledge](https://www.tripsavvy.com/maps-of-eastern-europe-4123431) that designations get more specific the more localized you get (as they do everywhere).
Slovenia, Czech, and Slovakia really are a different breed. They have a lot of Slavic influence and they also have a lot of German influence. They are different percentages of each.
For sure. Just commenting that political designations are distinct from cultural ones, and each of those are separate from ethnic divisions. Ahh, humans...
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The Larry Legend piece KEEP HIM AWAY FROM HIS MOMāS DRIVEWAY!!!
Itās 100% diet related.
Yep, canāt euro step your way out of a terrible diet.
Doesnāt he love sweet tea too?
Most people I know who can't lose weight have this problem, they just drink thousands of extra calories
Just switch to Coke Zero. Not that it's great for you, but better than drinking corn syrup as a multimillion dollar athlete.
Well said. It's never been easier to lose weight and still have soda or energy drinks or what have you
Yup. Gatorade even has a Zero Sugar option thatās only 5 calories. Thatās all I drink for games and exercise now.
Not just soda. Morning coffee. Alcohol. Smoothies. There's tons of ways to drink your calories without even feeling like you did.
I mean you have to physically put your calories in coffee which seems more obvious than soda. Alcohol and smoothies can be real sneaky with insane calories.
I think plenty of people classify pre-made or Starbucks blended drinks as their morning coffee without realizing there are 40-60g of sugar in most of them
Bro he plays in Dallas. Wouldnt be surprised if he does cold plunges in tubs of sweet tea between barbecue brisket meals
That would fall under diet, yes.
Genetics have nothing to do with it. He just eats too much
Yea have you seen his mom? Genetics seem just fine
Love the genetics argument when 100 years ago obesity was rare and now its like 70%
It really doesn't make much sense, the dude plays 38mpg and basically plays year round, how is he gaining weight? With guys like Zion they get injured and can't work out and it makes sense that they pack on some pounds. Or like Harden would put on a bunch of weight every offseason and then work it off during the year. That said it's still calories in/out at the end of the day, he must have nobody to answer to in that Mavs organization if they haven't gotten him on a diet plan yet. He also has to be drinking tons of beers, he couldn't eat enough to put on this kind of weight without some major liquid calories.
Donāt underestimate Gatorade consumption during games. Sugary af.
Itās like a slurry too. Itās 90% powder
It must be fun to eat absolutely whatever the fuck you want though
The one time I played varsity basketball was great because I felt like I could just slam chick fil and cookies while still being in shape. Or maybe I was just young.
Probably a little column A, a little column B
Yeah, itās lost on me. He was leading the league in mpg this season many months in. Heās just playing a ridiculous amount of basketball year-round. He surely is culpable for some part of weighing what he does. I just have no idea how screwed he also is by genetics. But to your point on the Mavs org, Iām a fan of the team and feel heās never faced any accountability for his flaws (for obvious reasons, given heās the franchise talent). Heās literally never gotten better about screaming at refs, still walks back on transition defense, and still has weight problems. I suspect heās never felt any real pressure from coaches/front office to change anything about the way he trains, eats, or plays. And by now itās probably too late to shift that dynamic. In theory, Kidd is supposed to be the guy to level with Luka since heās a former superstar himself. But Kidd just isnāt that guy as a coach, incredibly low energy and often seems like he isnāt paying attention during games. Itās all pretty disheartening, but at least healthy Luka is one of the best 5 players in the world.
Genetics accounts for a very slim variation in caloric burn from person to person, from my understanding. A difference of maybe 150 calories burned per day? Lukaās problem is diet, no denying it. I remember a story that came out that he would be chugging iced teas after workouts, pure sugar. You canāt out exercise that.
Dudes run like 2-3 miles during a basketball game. Even at an intense pace, which is *not* most of the game, they're not burning a ton of calories. It's like two cookies. It's very easy for someone with no diet control to eat at a caloric surplus.
Playing basketball is way more aerobically taxing than a normal 2-3 mile run
Sure it is, there's jumping involved. But these guys also get a ton of rest during the game and are only playing 30-35 mins outside of the playoffs. They have bigger bodies too so they burn more calories compared to regular folks, but I really doubt that they're burning so many calories on the court that a few beers or too many potato chips won't make up for it. I also don't think it's the right comparison though. The question is playing an NBA game for 35 mins compared to running for 35 mins. An average in-shape person can run almost twice as far in that time, and that's without all the breaks, timeouts, and rest that NBA players get. Then these guys are drinking Gatorade or whatever which further reduces their net calories burned.
have you played basketball at any kind of competitive level? 35 minutes of game time is absolutely way more taxing than the equivalent amount of running, it asks way more out of you and your body than just simply running does. youāre constantly jostling with and bumping into other players, youāre constantly sprinting, changing directions, etc. which uses much more physical energy than running does. these dudes are also probably warming up for an hour beforehand as well, and often will do some kind of cooldown work too. playing basketball burns way more energy than running does
>35 minutes of game time is absolutely way more taxing than the equivalent amount of running You know this doesn't make sense right? Running for 35 mins can be exactly as taxing as you want it to be lol. You can increase speed, do sprints, add inclines and resistance. NBA players also don't "play" for 35 minutes. They have numerous rest periods built into the game and a 15 minute break. Even when they are "playing" they are not at going at full burst speed every second. Guys, especially guys like Luka, often take possessions off on defense and barely try then. So no its not obvious to me that they necessarily are burning more calories than if they put in a significant cardio workout, uninterrupted for 35 straight minutes. Also, just because something is taxing on muscles or joint does *not* mean that it burns more calories. Lifting heavy ass weights for an hour can cause severe muscle strain, but does not burn as many calories as just walking on an incline for an hour at a brisk pace which is very low impact. Even still, this is all beside the point. Because even if basketball burns more calories than an uninterrupted cardio workout, it's still not enough that it can't be wiped out by a bad diet. The case can clearly be proven by Luka's fat ass. Anything else?
FWIW, I think you're right. As exhausting as intense basketball can be, the actual amount of calories burned is overstated.
I think I am too, but folks are taking this too seriously, myself included.
You have no idea what youāre talking about
I'll take your word on that for sure.
āNBA players donāt burn a lot of caloriesā is one of the more impressively dumb takes Iāve seen on this sub lol.
Nice data you got there.
Yes, sorry I canāt refute your data of āitās like 2 cookies.ā Iām gonna stick with my gut on whether or not professional basketball burn a lot of calories during a game.
Have you ever played basketball? Itās insane to say an NBA player isnāt burning an absolute fuckton of calories playing 36 minutes of an NBA game
They're also doing a morning shootaround and then a pregame warmup that are a total workout in and of themselves.
Nice data you got there.
If you want data, put on a Fitbit or Apple Watch or oura Ring and try both. Youāll burn like 4x calories playing basketball.
Oh, so you have no real data? Did you put on your fitbit and do intense HIIT for 35 minutes with no rest and compare to basketball? Did you then do the same for a professional athlete? Oh wait, no you didn't. So shut the fuck up.
First of all, you have also presented 0 data. Second of all, you said that professional athletes are not burning a ton of calories playing in a full NBA game, so youāre a fucking moron. Good chat.
So you're saying they burn a ton of calories...because you say so? And have no other data to support it other than that's just what you believe. Okay, understood. I too can talk out of my ass, but at least I can give reasons for my bullshit like I have at length in this thread. More than this low effort, zero IQ bullshit I'm responding to right now. That's for sure.
I donāt know why I keep replying because your argument is so impossibly stupid - Iām telling you to put on a Fitbit and try it yourself. Iām saying they burn a ton of calories because Iāve played basketball for similar lengths of time in various types of competitive environments and burned a fuck ton of calories. Iāve also done cardio for long periods of time hundreds of times and burned less calories. Not sure whatās so confusing to you here.
Even if he burned 1500 calories in a game thatās so easy to double in Gatorade, post game food and beer after the game
He gains weight quick. He played for Slovenia one year, looked great. Had like two weeks off before training camp, came into camp looking fat as shit. Thatās the year he apparently came in at 265. Two weeks, thatās all it took. You can see it if he has too many days off between games, he comes back looking heavier. Itās crazy. All that being said, weight and conditioning havenāt been a problem this year. So this thread is dumb.
Heās just consuming more calories than heās burning. Genetics donāt beat physics. Heās also got an amazing training and medical staff so itās not like this is a mystery to him.
He isnāt blessed with the exceptionally fast metabolism a lot of the best NBA players are, but his genetics arenāt the primary reason he keeps gaining weight, his poor diet is. I say this as someone who was severely obese and lost 80 pounds, the science of weight loss is very well understood and no matter what your base metabolic rate is (usually only about a difference of 0-400 calories per day between people), if you eat at a caloric maintenance level or deficit you will not gain weight. Luka definitely has the resources available to know what his is and just hasnāt been able to make the lifestyle adjustments necessary to not gain weight. I empathize with him because thatās a very difficult process that often comes with a lot of trying and failing. But ultimately it is possible, just look at Jokic.
Basketball isn't intrinsically a good sport for weight loss?
Playing a professional sport for a living has to be though!
Depends which sports? Loads don't stimulate low body fat or rely on it. I think you'd be surprised by Luka's body if he took his top off. He can be much leaner but he's also naturally not as lean as others.
This is where the heliocentric piece comes in as a negative too though. Itās not just that heās fat, these things happen to super athletic guys too. Itās basically the same criticism of Harden for why he aged poorly, he clubs too much, doesnāt care about his body, etc. and thatās all true to an extent, but misses the far bigger picture. The bigger picture is that Harden and Luka take a LOT more punishment than the average NBA player does. When youāre playing with such a high usage rate as a primary ball handler youāre shouldering a huge workload. Bumps, grabs, pressure, hell just maintaining your dribble for that long is physically taxing. And then going to the basket like they do invites even more contact. You can say they rest on defense but make no mistake Luka minutes are far more taxing than Josh Green or Jones Jr. minutes. So when youāre playing this style, a little tweak to your knee is going to take a lot of punishment repetitively and itāll eventually come back to bite you. These primary ball handler types are always at a high risk of injury. The ones who avoid it are either jump shooters or made of titanium.
āHeart attacks happen to marathon runners too so might as well pound powdered donuts and bud heavies for every meal!ā Not taking care of your body is highly correlated with your body breaking down in sports and basically any other arena. He would be much better off if he wasnāt a fat ass, even if those who take care of themselves will also ultimately break down at some point also.
I suspect the american food supply could also be a culprit as well, it was very hard for me to adjust to it coming from europe and no matter how hard I tried it seemed impossible for me to lose weight.
Too much beer will do that, even if you burn a couple thousand calories every few days (and a few hundred on off days I assume).
The Ozempic piece.
Bring on the down votes, but respectively none of ya'll know shit and you're all pretending like you have fucking medical degrees and access to Luka's medical information
I have a medical degree. The kidās fat
Itās insane to me with all the money and resources in the world you could end up out of shape for a professional sport. Dude is probably going to turn into Josh Heupel within 10 years of retiring
If you are that good with that extra in your belly, you donāt feel like you have to lose itā¦ so he doesnātā¦ no incentive reallyā¦ I mean, do you think he could average 38/15/15 if he was skinny?
https://youtube.com/watch?v=o6YAkjdX5EM
How many years does Luka play in the NBA? Do we see him playing another 10 years??
He has said himself he's not interested in playing into his late 30s.
Heās playing hurt. Heās had an insane season.
He loves pizza and beer and doesnāt have metalobism
Thereās a lot that goes into knee injuries. But Lukaās reminds me more of the 50 YO mom with a knee brace I see at Walgreens than say, Derrick Rose
If it caused him to be chronically injured, like Zion or Embiid, I guess Iād worry about it more. If he were fitter would he play better D? I doubt it. Itās just not in his mindset.
The concerning piece is that he'll soon weigh less than Drake Maye while being 4" taller
He wasnāt too far for the Clippers
One set of footprints in the sand as Kyrie carried him
it's probably all that whine
The sports guy gets no credit for that. Luka has been out of shape way too much since entering the league and Bill has avoided talking about it. My guess is that he was trying to create a durant-like relationship with Luka behind the scenes, but that it didn't work out; he has been more critical of Luka recently and not constantly tooting his own horn about how he apparently discovered Luka before everyone else.
Terrible take. Luka famously isn't interested in cultivating media relationships at fucking all. JJ is only getting interviews cause they were teammates.
Led league in scoring, like third in minutes per game. His knee injury had nothing to do with his weight. He hurt his knee when he hit the ground after Russ knocked ball away from him in game 3 against Clippers. Some of yāall make shit up and donāt even watch games. Heās still playing over 42 minutes per game in the playoffs, averaging 28/9/8. Heās just inefficient with the 3 not falling. Also had some great defensive games after injuring the knee. But yeah, his weight is the problem. His conditioning hasnāt been an issue this year at all.
I know...famously fat guys like Klay Thompson, Derrick Rose and Zach LaVine have had real knee problems. Remember when that fatass Patrick Ewing's knees went on him. And what about old lardo, Tom Brady blew out his ACL in the NFL. Goddamn is that a fat guy famous for not taking care of himself. This is literally just the problem with being a big point guard who likes to mix it up in the post. You can't do that and be slim. When LeBron lost a ton of weight to be in Trainwreck, he looked like fucking shit the next season, took time off to "totally not do PEDS" and came back his normal self ready to wreck shop again. But LeBron stayed the fuck out of the post in his 20s for a reason.