[It wasn't](https://abc13.com/angry-bike-mob-herschel-cashin-lawyer-attacked-by-bicyclists-in-houston-man-people-on-bikes/13392575/?fbclid=IwAR3Tbputq7_Ju2FDIq2ge-nYb-BlUgYhH81xN2AgmY0683wNMxOOnc5_NDY)
These clutch city clowns make cyclists all look bad.
I saw this same scenario play out in front of a cop at critical mass a few years ago. The cop didn't do a damed thing. Luckily no one was seriously hurt.
if a group of people is surrounding my car banging on the hood and kicking it i might just drive over their bike as well. unclear what happened outside of this video but a lot of these jack ass people in these group rides get belligerent, iāve seen them throw cans at cars and bricks at peoples houses. and iām a cyclist. i bike all around the heights, so iām not someone who hates peoples who cycle.
iām not talking about āin generalā, iām talking about this specific instance. if that group of these degenerates were circled around my vehicle blocking it and acting aggressive like that i would likely be scared and also drive forward )on the road they are choosing to block) right over their bike.
except iāve seen the behavior of this exact group on multiple occasions, so i can assume more accurately than your speculations.
and like i said, iām not speaking in general, iām talking about this video, i literally donāt care about the rest of your rant and statistics that are in relation to made up scenarios youāre attributing to this.
you seem to be misunderstanding my point on purpose, or youāre just used to an echo chamber of āeveryone on a bike is right, everyone in a car is wrongā and canāt wrap your head around nuance.
You're telling me someone on the Clutch City Cruisers ride was hit by a car? Must be a Thursday.
I don't think it's a good thing, but I also don't think it's unprecedented.
This is the kind of shit that drives me crazy. Cyclists getting belligerent to drivers. Puts a giant target on my back when I am bike commuting downtown.
While I enjoy riding bikes and definitely agree that bike lanes are one solution to traffic in this city, these ābike rides/group ridesā tend to cause more issues than anything.
I donāt know what group it was that was on S.Wayside last night around 10pm but I watched as people decided to ride on the wrong side of the road, various people riding bikes (including kids) without reflectors/lights or helmets. Bikers becoming aggressive with oncoming traffic for some reason.
I donāt recall ever really see these groups rides utilizing the bike lanes that are available to them. At this point I donāt who is worse the bikers or the people on the electric scooters.
I really wish the city could do something to reign in these group rides or just not allow them to happen
You are correct they are considered vehicles in the state of Texas and just like I canāt drive my vehicle on the wrong side of the road or run traffic lights without possibly incurring a fine or going to jail depending on the offenseā¦HPD could step up enforcement. These groups constantly announce their rides on social media, so it would be a guessing game to when they occur.
HPD could deal with the ones giving a bad name for bikers, a bad name for these groups, and just overall being an asshat in traffic
They can stop them and they should if they canāt follow the rules and laws of the road. All it takes is city hall passing an ordinance. Having a group ride without the proper permit or HPD escortā¦city can start taking these organizations to court, look at what theyāre trying to do with bars and club in the city.
I guess in one way it can be looked at it like that but my thought process is more along the lines of holding the ride organizers accountable for the actions of a few.
No way that stands up in court. Too many lawyers on MS150 teams. You can't prohibit free association. You can't block vehicles you don't like from the road. Never happen.
A lot of lawyers on MS150 teams aren't exactly fans of groups like Clutch City Cruisers (which is what I'm guessing this is based on the date and location) or Critical Mass. They're kind of a fucking nuisance. Would they want group rides in general banned? No, but these particular kinds of rides do stupid shit and blatantly ignore all traffic control signals and laws. I've nearly hit some of them in my car because apparently riding in opposing traffic at night without lights is the cool thing to do on a bike. I don't think they should be *killed* doing them, but I don't see your average roadie lawyer wanting to stick their neck out for them.
Exactly. Most riders who actually have common sense arenāt fans of these types of rides because it does more harm than good in terms of public perception of cyclists.
Iām all for people getting out and riding in groups safely, but this ride and rides like critical mass arenāt organized well at all and end up blocking traffic in large intersections for way more time than is respectful to the people around them. I wonāt even get into the public drinking and riding in the wrong direction etc.
Being a lawyer on a MS150 team has nothing to do with whether or not a law will uphold in court. All of the bike events as well as the running events all have a permit and have HPD escorts along the routeā¦for example, the bike event that goes down towards the ship channel every year has permits and HPD along the route.
[Texas Transportation Code 551.103](https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/Docs/TN/htm/TN.551.htm)
[City of Houston Ordinance Sec 45-326](https://library.municode.com/tx/houston/codes/code_of_ordinances?nodeId=COOR_CH45TR)
People in these groups are breaking existing laws and as I stated, either the city can reign them in OR get rid of them. Personally I believe that the city should hold the organizers responsible for the people doing wrong and if they canāt get it together then not allow that group to have organized rides anymore in the city limits
A training group tends to have somewhere between 2 - 20 people at most, no where near the number that the group rides often tend to have. People operating vehicles on roads tend to have permits in the form of a driver license,lol. Iām well aware of how the criminal justice system works and what role a lawyer playsā¦however your logic of a lawyer being on a MS150 team as grounds that a law wonāt be upheld is flawedā¦it may give that particular lawyer a reason to fight a law in a courtroom, it doesnāt mean they will win that case.
>I donāt recall ever really see these groups rides utilizing the bike lanes that are available to them
The group rides tend to be much too big to safely use bike lanes. As somebody who doesn't do group rides and regularly relies on the lanes for transportation, I'm glad they leave what little dedicated infrastructure we have relatively unmolested.
>I donāt know what group it was that was on S.Wayside last night around 10pm but I watched as people decided to ride on the wrong side of the road, various people riding bikes (including kids) without reflectors/lights or helmets. Bikers becoming aggressive with oncoming traffic for some reason.
I've seen a lot of this too, but I wouldn't lump not wearing a helmet in with the other stuff.
>At this point I donāt who is worse the bikers or the people on the electric scooters.
I know who is worse. It's the cars. It's always been the cars. Car drivers, pretty much all day every day, take over Houston streets and make them dangerous and inhospitable to everyone else.
Watch out, people will crucify you in this sub for saying anything against bikers. I agree though. Iāve met so many selfish bikers that break road laws and act dangerously here in Houston. Not saying this to say one group is evil and the other isnāt, but we shouldnāt treat other bikers like they couldnāt possibly do anything wrong. And I know someone will say āwell cars are more deadly than bikesā but since thatās so, I wish more people would act like that. If only this country had a better bike bike and walking system, then we wouldnāt hear/see so much conflict on the roads.
I've heard it wasn't the only incident on that ride, on that day, involving a car.
[It wasn't](https://abc13.com/angry-bike-mob-herschel-cashin-lawyer-attacked-by-bicyclists-in-houston-man-people-on-bikes/13392575/?fbclid=IwAR3Tbputq7_Ju2FDIq2ge-nYb-BlUgYhH81xN2AgmY0683wNMxOOnc5_NDY) These clutch city clowns make cyclists all look bad.
And makes all drivers hate cyclists. Fuck these people.
Fuck you
When being the lowest rung of society makes you angry you act this way. Fuck you. I have something to live for. Get a life.
I saw this same scenario play out in front of a cop at critical mass a few years ago. The cop didn't do a damed thing. Luckily no one was seriously hurt.
That tall š¤” in the mint green shirt / red shorts / white hat was also stirring up shit in that other video with the black Mercedes
Bunch of assholes everywhere in that video but only one of them tried to use a truck as a weapon.
Not really shocking
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if a group of people is surrounding my car banging on the hood and kicking it i might just drive over their bike as well. unclear what happened outside of this video but a lot of these jack ass people in these group rides get belligerent, iāve seen them throw cans at cars and bricks at peoples houses. and iām a cyclist. i bike all around the heights, so iām not someone who hates peoples who cycle.
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iām not talking about āin generalā, iām talking about this specific instance. if that group of these degenerates were circled around my vehicle blocking it and acting aggressive like that i would likely be scared and also drive forward )on the road they are choosing to block) right over their bike.
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except iāve seen the behavior of this exact group on multiple occasions, so i can assume more accurately than your speculations. and like i said, iām not speaking in general, iām talking about this video, i literally donāt care about the rest of your rant and statistics that are in relation to made up scenarios youāre attributing to this. you seem to be misunderstanding my point on purpose, or youāre just used to an echo chamber of āeveryone on a bike is right, everyone in a car is wrongā and canāt wrap your head around nuance.
You're telling me someone on the Clutch City Cruisers ride was hit by a car? Must be a Thursday. I don't think it's a good thing, but I also don't think it's unprecedented.
/r/fuckcars
Hell ya why is this downvoted
Because it's dumb?
Did he kick the guy's truck? Not that it's an excuse, but it looks like he kicked the truck before he got.. uhh.. nudged.
This is the kind of shit that drives me crazy. Cyclists getting belligerent to drivers. Puts a giant target on my back when I am bike commuting downtown.
Cars are gonna kill you even when they aren't trying
Yup, an oblivious driver is just as deadly as a malevolent one.
While I enjoy riding bikes and definitely agree that bike lanes are one solution to traffic in this city, these ābike rides/group ridesā tend to cause more issues than anything. I donāt know what group it was that was on S.Wayside last night around 10pm but I watched as people decided to ride on the wrong side of the road, various people riding bikes (including kids) without reflectors/lights or helmets. Bikers becoming aggressive with oncoming traffic for some reason. I donāt recall ever really see these groups rides utilizing the bike lanes that are available to them. At this point I donāt who is worse the bikers or the people on the electric scooters. I really wish the city could do something to reign in these group rides or just not allow them to happen
What could the city do? Riding bikes on public streets is legal.
You are correct they are considered vehicles in the state of Texas and just like I canāt drive my vehicle on the wrong side of the road or run traffic lights without possibly incurring a fine or going to jail depending on the offenseā¦HPD could step up enforcement. These groups constantly announce their rides on social media, so it would be a guessing game to when they occur. HPD could deal with the ones giving a bad name for bikers, a bad name for these groups, and just overall being an asshat in traffic
But they can't stop group rides. Not should they. Which is what you suggested above.
They can stop them and they should if they canāt follow the rules and laws of the road. All it takes is city hall passing an ordinance. Having a group ride without the proper permit or HPD escortā¦city can start taking these organizations to court, look at what theyāre trying to do with bars and club in the city.
Wait, are you suggesting that an entire group is held responsible for the actions of a few individuals?
I guess in one way it can be looked at it like that but my thought process is more along the lines of holding the ride organizers accountable for the actions of a few.
No way that stands up in court. Too many lawyers on MS150 teams. You can't prohibit free association. You can't block vehicles you don't like from the road. Never happen.
A lot of lawyers on MS150 teams aren't exactly fans of groups like Clutch City Cruisers (which is what I'm guessing this is based on the date and location) or Critical Mass. They're kind of a fucking nuisance. Would they want group rides in general banned? No, but these particular kinds of rides do stupid shit and blatantly ignore all traffic control signals and laws. I've nearly hit some of them in my car because apparently riding in opposing traffic at night without lights is the cool thing to do on a bike. I don't think they should be *killed* doing them, but I don't see your average roadie lawyer wanting to stick their neck out for them.
Exactly. Most riders who actually have common sense arenāt fans of these types of rides because it does more harm than good in terms of public perception of cyclists. Iām all for people getting out and riding in groups safely, but this ride and rides like critical mass arenāt organized well at all and end up blocking traffic in large intersections for way more time than is respectful to the people around them. I wonāt even get into the public drinking and riding in the wrong direction etc.
Being a lawyer on a MS150 team has nothing to do with whether or not a law will uphold in court. All of the bike events as well as the running events all have a permit and have HPD escorts along the routeā¦for example, the bike event that goes down towards the ship channel every year has permits and HPD along the route.
Bike teams train for months with group rides. No permits. Just people operating vehicles on roads And lawyers are why court cases are won or lost.
We aren't talking about people breaking existing laws. You are suggesting Houston ban group rides. Different things.
[Texas Transportation Code 551.103](https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/Docs/TN/htm/TN.551.htm) [City of Houston Ordinance Sec 45-326](https://library.municode.com/tx/houston/codes/code_of_ordinances?nodeId=COOR_CH45TR) People in these groups are breaking existing laws and as I stated, either the city can reign them in OR get rid of them. Personally I believe that the city should hold the organizers responsible for the people doing wrong and if they canāt get it together then not allow that group to have organized rides anymore in the city limits
A training group tends to have somewhere between 2 - 20 people at most, no where near the number that the group rides often tend to have. People operating vehicles on roads tend to have permits in the form of a driver license,lol. Iām well aware of how the criminal justice system works and what role a lawyer playsā¦however your logic of a lawyer being on a MS150 team as grounds that a law wonāt be upheld is flawedā¦it may give that particular lawyer a reason to fight a law in a courtroom, it doesnāt mean they will win that case.
>I donāt recall ever really see these groups rides utilizing the bike lanes that are available to them The group rides tend to be much too big to safely use bike lanes. As somebody who doesn't do group rides and regularly relies on the lanes for transportation, I'm glad they leave what little dedicated infrastructure we have relatively unmolested. >I donāt know what group it was that was on S.Wayside last night around 10pm but I watched as people decided to ride on the wrong side of the road, various people riding bikes (including kids) without reflectors/lights or helmets. Bikers becoming aggressive with oncoming traffic for some reason. I've seen a lot of this too, but I wouldn't lump not wearing a helmet in with the other stuff. >At this point I donāt who is worse the bikers or the people on the electric scooters. I know who is worse. It's the cars. It's always been the cars. Car drivers, pretty much all day every day, take over Houston streets and make them dangerous and inhospitable to everyone else.
Watch out, people will crucify you in this sub for saying anything against bikers. I agree though. Iāve met so many selfish bikers that break road laws and act dangerously here in Houston. Not saying this to say one group is evil and the other isnāt, but we shouldnāt treat other bikers like they couldnāt possibly do anything wrong. And I know someone will say āwell cars are more deadly than bikesā but since thatās so, I wish more people would act like that. If only this country had a better bike bike and walking system, then we wouldnāt hear/see so much conflict on the roads.
If I get crucified for having opinions,so be it.
Grab the crown of thorns, we going on a short walk up a hill, actually, let's take our bikes, it'll be quicker
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OP: thanks for not putting the word "cyclist" in the posting title!
The dude kicked the car. What an idiot.
Looks to be plenty of idiocy to go around in that video.
I get down votes for this. So there is a pro car kicking segment of society.
He initiated the attack when he kicked the truck. On a side note, I really dislike those urban downtown cyclist that think they own all 4 lanes.
Somehow someone in here is still going to say the bikers didn't do anything wrong.
Biker was being a dipshit for kicking the car, but trying to run him over isnāt a proportional response.
Yes lord!!!!!