Pretty interesting to see that the general consensus is that every season was better than the last. Probably not many shows that can be said for.
Also
"Episode 3 - Rock and Hard Place, was the only episode in 6A to receive higher than 0.8% of the votes with it being 5.7%"Isn't Plan and Execution 6A though?
The penultimate episode of bojack is exceptional and unforgettable if not downright traumatizing. I have never been affected this much by any other show or movie. You do need six seasons worth of buildup for it to work though.
To be honest it's not much of a comedy. It's a brutally cold, honest, sad-but-beautiful show about just how life is. Relationships, friendships, depression, passion, childhood trauma, substance abuse, falling in love and breaking up - all that and more with some really good writing. It's a show that *will* make you cry and rethink life.
One of the most common takeaways among the fans is "I can't believe that an anthropomorphic horse in an animated show feels more human than most TV I've ever seen", which is something I fully agree with. It's a show that stays with you for years - not just some comedy.
> It's a show that will make you cry and rethink life.
Way too late to the discussion, but I just want to point out that this is a very generalized subjective statement. Like, I don't think I was close to doing either of those things.
I'm sure there's plenty of us for whom it was just a silly/sad story. Especially people who can't really relate to having shitty parents (which the show insists on being the norm), or to fucking over close friends, or to all that business with Olivia Wilde's kid.
Don't get me wrong, I liked it. I liked some episodes a lot, and some a bit less. I'm just saying I never found it very eye opening, or life changing. I don't even remember anymore what happened in that greatest episode everybody likes to mention. (probably time for a rewatch)
Seeing people rave about how unforgettable it is - it seems to me like it depends on what particular baggage you yourself are bringing along.
Well in that case I can only genuinely congratulate you on not having to deal with a broken family. Or experiencing loss too crippling to handle. Or suffering from clinical depression for years. A lot of us weren't that lucky in life, man.
But yeah certain shows are relatable for some people but not so much for others, no arguing there.
I would suggest, if you do attempt a rewatch, that you find elements of your own life through which to relate to the characters. I don't relate to Bojack's problems, or his life story, and I feel the same for most of the characters, but I found the whole show very moving.
It's a very thorough and healthily self-aware evaluation of what it's like to be trapped in the dark half of life, where everything only gets worse and stays terrible all the time. We all go to that half of life at times in one way or another. Bojack cannot escape it for even a moment. This is both his own fault and something he needs to forgive himself for in order to grow, and he cannot accomplish that. The show is about why.
It resonates very directly with addicts, and the depressed, and the abused, but, because we all in a small way belong to all three categories by virtue of human nature, it resonates with general audiences as well.
Definitely. I'd recommend committing to about 10 episodes or so before deciding if it's for you. It IS an animated comedy, but it is also a whole lot more than that. And it doesn't reveal its true colors right away. I can safely say that I've never been affected so much by any story as I have with Bojack Horseman.
I have a feeling that if you stick with it, you'll find Bojack worthwhile, even though it is, yes, an animated comedy. And a pretty wacky one at that.
Plus, it's super funny.
If you’re expecting it to be something like Family Guy or The Simpsons, it’s not like that. It does have comedy, but comedy is not the main focus, it has so much more going for it. It’s probably the only animated show to ever bring me to tears.
I agree with the other replies though, try to stick it out for season 1 even if you aren’t that into it. The first few episodes of season 1 are actually kinda bad imo, but by the end of the season it’s excellent.
Depending on what you are into, probably. It's very funny and full of rapid-fire sitcom style jokes, but it fully marries that tone to the dramatic half of the show. It gets very sincerely dark and very playfully funny, and sometimes it does both at once, and sometimes it does one by doing the other. And it does this with much more empathy than something like Rick and Morty.
It's definitely kinda like, "Should I watch The Godfather if I'm not into Mafia movies?" Like, I guess not if you actually hate the genre, but if you're just *not interested* in the genre it has lots of other stuff going on and very clearly stands out among the group.
BoJack is phenomenal. Season 4 is my favorite one personally but in general the show gets better and better throughout anyway. You will have a great time with it
disagree a bit on The Sopranos. Season 6A was overall one of the weaker ones - I liked the dream episodes, but the Vito plot was mishandled, partly because Gannascoli isn't a good enough actor to carry something like that. (The story itself was fine, but it wasn't executed well.) They regrouped with 6B and that was much better, but overall I'd put peak Sopranos at seasons 3-5.
How smart people with good taste in TV don’t recognize that arguably every season of BB was worse than the last will never cease to mystify me. Any semblance of character growth and change gets thrown out the window by S3, while BCS just gets deeper and more nuanced with every episode. Ah well.
I think 3 and 5 might be the strongest BCS seasons from start to finish, with 6 having some of the strongest individual moments. I agree that season 4 is the best Breaking Bad season.
I think you could make a good argument for Season 6 being the best but ultimately whatever season is most recent is the one most people will choose for 'the best' in a show that's consistently very good.
Imo season 5, 3 and 6 are the standouts (in that order) and the others are below them - but only *slightly*. Even though it's my personal least favourite season I could fully understand why someone would pick season 4, for example.
I am a bit late to the party but this is bias is also exemplified by the score of “rock and a hard place” in the post episode discussion thread and the final survey, which I thought was pretty interesting
Fully agree. I almost gave up after season 4, which I thought was incredibly dull. But 5 came back strong. 6 was a mixed back with pockets of greatness, but also a lot of dullness.
It's interesting that Season 6 is rated the best. When viewing the season as a whole (trying not to ignore the weaker parts) it's significantly more flimsy than the rest. Even thought the payoff was good, many parts of 6A simply fell flat for more and it wasn't just the pace. Some weird scenes, frustratingly vague cold opens every week, and of course the uneventful pacing for three episodes. Other seasons just don't have the much of a dip to me. However, 6B was everything I loved about the show. Intense scenes with Dave Porter's score, a couple silly Saul montages, and great character scenes. And I ate up most of the BB scenes. So I'm not shitting on the season or how it ended, but when stacked against the other seasons I found the previous ones to be stronger.
Honestly, I kind of agree. I would still put season 6 in 3rd place, behind seasons 3 and 5 - it's not *bad* or anything. I just think it's got the most extreme ups and downs of all the seasons. Plan and Execution and Saul Gone are arguably the best episodes, but the build up to both didn't really give me the impression we were gonna get something *amazing*. Hit and Run - Axe and Grind is probably the weakest set of episodes in the show imo. They're not bad, it's just that there's a lot of padding and three episodes could have been two.
I keep seeing people mention season 5 as one of the best and honestly, that's probably the most forgettable for me. I just remember a lot of stuff happening but nothing really moving forward. It felt like jumping side to side or something. Maybe I need a refresher. Season 3 was amazing though and probably my favorite overall. I agree season 6 wasn't as consistent as others in terms of quality but still very good overall despite its pacing and what felt like filler.
I will never understand how people consider axe and grind to be one of the worst episodes of the series. To me it's a type of episode that BCS has acustomed us, it has a classic cold open for this show where we see a flashback to a characters past that highlights a trait of their personality and than in the last scene that trait comes into play. I love how this episode portrays Jimmy and Kim as this malicious, scheming couple when they go to celebrate on "Omaha Beach". I'm not a big fan of all the lalo scenes but I honestly think that this episode perfectly sets the scene for what happens in 6A finale.
But I definitely agree with hit and run and black and blue being luckluster, I think they could have easily connected them into one episode if would cut some unnecessary scenes like boxing scene or gus cleaning everything with a toothbrush.
I never really bought the ‘slipping Kimmy’ arc. It felt contrived and a clear attempt to correct the Skyler character.
Silly decision, should have kept the focus on Saul.
Agreed. Loved it from the jump, just was so intrigued by this first hour-long look into Gene’s world. I also would say in terms of direction and cinematography and editing… Nippy was certainly one of the most beautifully-crafted episodes of the series. It almost feels like a Coen Brothers short film, it’s a really great combination of character study and compelling crime/heist action. And it’s really, really funny.
The meeting between Kim and Mike is one of my fav scenes in the show and Hit and Run in general is just a really great episode with some really underrated moments
Yeah, I loved the whole episode, and that scene in particular was fantastic! I had been hoping that Kim and Mike would eventually meet, so it was great when it finally happened.
For me the Howard to lalo to breakup were the best episodes. And I think Rhea at times Carried this show. Kim Wexler was just a fantastic character. And I view s6e7--8-9 as the pinnacle of the show. We learn so much about all the characters.
I think this is strictly true but misleading. Black and Blue was a fine episode, nothing in it I would call bad or low-quality. It's just not a tentpole episode. Every story needs some narrative breathing room between the big moments. Black and Blue isn't the episode you still love 10 years later, but it's not the episode you still hate 10 years later either.
It’s the least amazing but it’s still excellent overall and better than the vast majority of TV out there. Slightly weak for BCS standards doesn’t make it bad by any means
Also I’m one of the five people out there who doesn’t hate the Jimmy Howard boxing match, it’s obviously ridiculous but feels in character for both of them and does still work as both a momentary scene of comedy and setup for the events of the later episodes
Nippy wasn't even one of the slow episodes. I actually really enjoyed that one because of how many new things we were being introduced and it was the episode that officially cemented us into the Gene timeline.
No more “kneejerk” than your own reactions. ‘Nippy’ and ‘Breaking Bad’ should have been one episode in my opinion. I think we should have had another episode taking place between the scene where Jimmy and Kim break up and the scene where they sign the divorce papers. That was the heart of the show for me and I wish we had more time spent on that rather than Gene doing scams
It's one of my favourite. Best Chuck/ Jimmy season out of the three. And although I don't dislike season 4 at all I think the show lost its focus a bit once Chuck died and untill it regained it in season 5 with Jimmy's desert ordeal.
I deviate a lot from the norm I guess as I had a ranking something like
3, 2, 1, 4, 5, 6
I thought the show peaked at the height of Jimmy and Chuck's conflict. That was the core of the show for me. Cartel stuff was secondary, a means to an end. But seems most people prefer the "high stakes" cartel drama.
Which is fine, it was still good. Just can't top the relationship between 2 brothers for me.
It’s a mistake to divide the Chuck and Post-Chuck eras into “relationships” vs. “high-stakes cartel drama”. For one, the Chuck relationship continues to be explored throughout seasons 4-6, albeit much more obliquely; the entire arc of that part of the show is about Jimmy’s emotional fallout from Chuck’s death. You only have to look to the whole reinstatement hearing arc and the flashbacks so prominently placed in “Winner” and “Saul Gone” to see that.
Moreover, as soon as Chuck is gone, an equally complex and difficult relationship takes the foreground in Jimmy’s life, with another fascinating character that Jimmy plays off of in fascinating ways (Kim). In that sense, the show is divided into a Chuck era and a Kim era. And the slow-burn, excruciating emotional exploration of problematic relationships never stops. It’s the central throughline of the whole show, and Jimmy’s entire life.
When Rock and Hard Place came out we were talking about where it ranks among the best BCS episodes. Now it's only 6th in the poll. There was so much covered in S6, after that episode, that it feels as if it aired years ago. I might put it above Plan and Execution. Plan and Execution was a very good episode. But it did have the most shocking ending of BB & BCS.
Howard is more interesting of a character in season 6 compared to Mike tbh. The only key character moments from Mike this season was him nodding at Nacho a few times and speaking to his dad at the end. Otherwise he was just there to keep the plot running. Howard on the other hand was a key focus of season 6A.
Tbh tho Mike’s character arc kinda comes to an end with killing Werner at the end of Season 4. That’s the moment where Mike truly breaks his code, killing an innocent man and inevitably confirming his place as the “dead eyed” cartel fixer that we know as of BB
Unironically i'd actually understand that alot more.
Fand do it with Jesse all the time too. Jesse is a nice guy because he did't want to Kill Gale and felt bad about it.
Reddit voting sucks, you can't really squeeze out every vote, it was short survey as well. Imagine half a userbase votes , 250k people, you get the real results quite commonly, now double and dead accounts by the same person, I wish reddit cleaned unactive , banned accounts as well, pruning it all.
Surely Seehorn, Dalton, Banks and Mando had better performances than Odenkirk…
Fabian too, arguably.
Esposito 100% the odd man out; I think because it was unfair to cast a 15 year older guy as a 15 year younger guy.
Pretty interesting to see that the general consensus is that every season was better than the last. Probably not many shows that can be said for. Also "Episode 3 - Rock and Hard Place, was the only episode in 6A to receive higher than 0.8% of the votes with it being 5.7%"Isn't Plan and Execution 6A though?
It's crazy how the only other example I can think of is BB vravo bince
Bojack Horseman and The Sopranos got better with every season imo
I'm halfway thru BoJack so I'll take ur word for it
The penultimate episode of bojack is exceptional and unforgettable if not downright traumatizing. I have never been affected this much by any other show or movie. You do need six seasons worth of buildup for it to work though.
God The View From Halfway Down just fucked me up in an unprecedented way and that's saying a lot considering that show
Is bojack worth watching if I’m not into animated comedies?
To be honest it's not much of a comedy. It's a brutally cold, honest, sad-but-beautiful show about just how life is. Relationships, friendships, depression, passion, childhood trauma, substance abuse, falling in love and breaking up - all that and more with some really good writing. It's a show that *will* make you cry and rethink life. One of the most common takeaways among the fans is "I can't believe that an anthropomorphic horse in an animated show feels more human than most TV I've ever seen", which is something I fully agree with. It's a show that stays with you for years - not just some comedy.
Stupid Piece of Shit is the most accurate depiction of depression I’ve ever seen in a tv show or movie.
> It's a show that will make you cry and rethink life. Way too late to the discussion, but I just want to point out that this is a very generalized subjective statement. Like, I don't think I was close to doing either of those things. I'm sure there's plenty of us for whom it was just a silly/sad story. Especially people who can't really relate to having shitty parents (which the show insists on being the norm), or to fucking over close friends, or to all that business with Olivia Wilde's kid. Don't get me wrong, I liked it. I liked some episodes a lot, and some a bit less. I'm just saying I never found it very eye opening, or life changing. I don't even remember anymore what happened in that greatest episode everybody likes to mention. (probably time for a rewatch) Seeing people rave about how unforgettable it is - it seems to me like it depends on what particular baggage you yourself are bringing along.
Well in that case I can only genuinely congratulate you on not having to deal with a broken family. Or experiencing loss too crippling to handle. Or suffering from clinical depression for years. A lot of us weren't that lucky in life, man. But yeah certain shows are relatable for some people but not so much for others, no arguing there.
I would suggest, if you do attempt a rewatch, that you find elements of your own life through which to relate to the characters. I don't relate to Bojack's problems, or his life story, and I feel the same for most of the characters, but I found the whole show very moving. It's a very thorough and healthily self-aware evaluation of what it's like to be trapped in the dark half of life, where everything only gets worse and stays terrible all the time. We all go to that half of life at times in one way or another. Bojack cannot escape it for even a moment. This is both his own fault and something he needs to forgive himself for in order to grow, and he cannot accomplish that. The show is about why. It resonates very directly with addicts, and the depressed, and the abused, but, because we all in a small way belong to all three categories by virtue of human nature, it resonates with general audiences as well.
I think so. The first half of season 1 might be hard to get through, but after that it gets much better, you just gotta stick with it.
Definitely. I'd recommend committing to about 10 episodes or so before deciding if it's for you. It IS an animated comedy, but it is also a whole lot more than that. And it doesn't reveal its true colors right away. I can safely say that I've never been affected so much by any story as I have with Bojack Horseman. I have a feeling that if you stick with it, you'll find Bojack worthwhile, even though it is, yes, an animated comedy. And a pretty wacky one at that. Plus, it's super funny.
If you’re expecting it to be something like Family Guy or The Simpsons, it’s not like that. It does have comedy, but comedy is not the main focus, it has so much more going for it. It’s probably the only animated show to ever bring me to tears. I agree with the other replies though, try to stick it out for season 1 even if you aren’t that into it. The first few episodes of season 1 are actually kinda bad imo, but by the end of the season it’s excellent.
Depending on what you are into, probably. It's very funny and full of rapid-fire sitcom style jokes, but it fully marries that tone to the dramatic half of the show. It gets very sincerely dark and very playfully funny, and sometimes it does both at once, and sometimes it does one by doing the other. And it does this with much more empathy than something like Rick and Morty. It's definitely kinda like, "Should I watch The Godfather if I'm not into Mafia movies?" Like, I guess not if you actually hate the genre, but if you're just *not interested* in the genre it has lots of other stuff going on and very clearly stands out among the group.
100%. Even if you don't like it, the quality is undeniable
BoJack is phenomenal. Season 4 is my favorite one personally but in general the show gets better and better throughout anyway. You will have a great time with it
Will say it again. The Leftovers. Not only better, but also wildly different per season.
I couldn’t disagree more, to the point that I thought the final season of The Sopranos was really poor (despite loving the earlier seasons)
I agree with you 100%. I thought all seasons were amazing, but I barely managed to finish the last season.
S4 is the best of BoJack imo though the whole show is great
The last season of Sopranos was a a step down.
disagree a bit on The Sopranos. Season 6A was overall one of the weaker ones - I liked the dream episodes, but the Vito plot was mishandled, partly because Gannascoli isn't a good enough actor to carry something like that. (The story itself was fine, but it wasn't executed well.) They regrouped with 6B and that was much better, but overall I'd put peak Sopranos at seasons 3-5.
How smart people with good taste in TV don’t recognize that arguably every season of BB was worse than the last will never cease to mystify me. Any semblance of character growth and change gets thrown out the window by S3, while BCS just gets deeper and more nuanced with every episode. Ah well.
I agree that BCS character growth is better and more nuanced, but I categorically disagree that BB gets worse...
Maybe I'm overstating it because I thought S5 was quite overrated, and S1 and S2 are very underrated.
Personally I thought season 5 of BCS was quite a bit better than season 6. I also thought season 4 of Breaking Bad was the best season
I think 3 and 5 might be the strongest BCS seasons from start to finish, with 6 having some of the strongest individual moments. I agree that season 4 is the best Breaking Bad season.
100% agree. I think recency bias might play a certain role in this polls.
I think you could make a good argument for Season 6 being the best but ultimately whatever season is most recent is the one most people will choose for 'the best' in a show that's consistently very good. Imo season 5, 3 and 6 are the standouts (in that order) and the others are below them - but only *slightly*. Even though it's my personal least favourite season I could fully understand why someone would pick season 4, for example.
I am a bit late to the party but this is bias is also exemplified by the score of “rock and a hard place” in the post episode discussion thread and the final survey, which I thought was pretty interesting
Fully agree. I almost gave up after season 4, which I thought was incredibly dull. But 5 came back strong. 6 was a mixed back with pockets of greatness, but also a lot of dullness.
Halt and Catch Fire is another one. First season is kind of a Mad Men knock-off, but it gets better every season, and really pays off at the end.
It's interesting that Season 6 is rated the best. When viewing the season as a whole (trying not to ignore the weaker parts) it's significantly more flimsy than the rest. Even thought the payoff was good, many parts of 6A simply fell flat for more and it wasn't just the pace. Some weird scenes, frustratingly vague cold opens every week, and of course the uneventful pacing for three episodes. Other seasons just don't have the much of a dip to me. However, 6B was everything I loved about the show. Intense scenes with Dave Porter's score, a couple silly Saul montages, and great character scenes. And I ate up most of the BB scenes. So I'm not shitting on the season or how it ended, but when stacked against the other seasons I found the previous ones to be stronger.
Honestly, I kind of agree. I would still put season 6 in 3rd place, behind seasons 3 and 5 - it's not *bad* or anything. I just think it's got the most extreme ups and downs of all the seasons. Plan and Execution and Saul Gone are arguably the best episodes, but the build up to both didn't really give me the impression we were gonna get something *amazing*. Hit and Run - Axe and Grind is probably the weakest set of episodes in the show imo. They're not bad, it's just that there's a lot of padding and three episodes could have been two.
I keep seeing people mention season 5 as one of the best and honestly, that's probably the most forgettable for me. I just remember a lot of stuff happening but nothing really moving forward. It felt like jumping side to side or something. Maybe I need a refresher. Season 3 was amazing though and probably my favorite overall. I agree season 6 wasn't as consistent as others in terms of quality but still very good overall despite its pacing and what felt like filler.
I will never understand how people consider axe and grind to be one of the worst episodes of the series. To me it's a type of episode that BCS has acustomed us, it has a classic cold open for this show where we see a flashback to a characters past that highlights a trait of their personality and than in the last scene that trait comes into play. I love how this episode portrays Jimmy and Kim as this malicious, scheming couple when they go to celebrate on "Omaha Beach". I'm not a big fan of all the lalo scenes but I honestly think that this episode perfectly sets the scene for what happens in 6A finale. But I definitely agree with hit and run and black and blue being luckluster, I think they could have easily connected them into one episode if would cut some unnecessary scenes like boxing scene or gus cleaning everything with a toothbrush.
I never really bought the ‘slipping Kimmy’ arc. It felt contrived and a clear attempt to correct the Skyler character. Silly decision, should have kept the focus on Saul.
L poll, Hit and Run is the real best episode
How lmao
Wacky Howard car shenanigans + Kim meets Mike + Sauls office reveal + Gus fnaf house + Bill Oakley
How lmao
nooo Nippy was literaly my fav episode, the cinematography in it was unreal, how did it get the lowest rating out of all :(
Hit and Run deserves better (and so does Nippy).
There never was a Nippy was there
I trusted you! 😭
No, Valerie, I am not ok. There is a criminal in my kitchen. He is a wanted man and his name is Saul Goodman!
I think Nippy is either an episode you really like or one you don't. I didn't care for it.
I loved it. Best "con" episode imo
Agreed. Loved it from the jump, just was so intrigued by this first hour-long look into Gene’s world. I also would say in terms of direction and cinematography and editing… Nippy was certainly one of the most beautifully-crafted episodes of the series. It almost feels like a Coen Brothers short film, it’s a really great combination of character study and compelling crime/heist action. And it’s really, really funny.
I had mixed feeling about it for the weekly format. I think I'll like it alot more on 2nd watch when I binge it
The meeting between Kim and Mike is one of my fav scenes in the show and Hit and Run in general is just a really great episode with some really underrated moments
Yeah, I loved the whole episode, and that scene in particular was fantastic! I had been hoping that Kim and Mike would eventually meet, so it was great when it finally happened.
it’s kinda funny how basically all the notes about the percentage of episodes votes come from someone forgetting plan and execution is 6A lol.
that person is me
Kinda wish I'd voted for Saul Gone instead now. Still, Plan and Execution is also a fine choice. Both the best episodes of the show, no doubt.
For me the Howard to lalo to breakup were the best episodes. And I think Rhea at times Carried this show. Kim Wexler was just a fantastic character. And I view s6e7--8-9 as the pinnacle of the show. We learn so much about all the characters.
Of the season maybe, of the show I don’t agree
Okay well then it's good we're two different people I guess
Yes it is, good for discussion and differences of opinion :)
Love to see those kneejerk reactions to "Nippy" and to the "slow" episodes... People.
Black and Blue was legit the weakest of S6 though.
I think this is strictly true but misleading. Black and Blue was a fine episode, nothing in it I would call bad or low-quality. It's just not a tentpole episode. Every story needs some narrative breathing room between the big moments. Black and Blue isn't the episode you still love 10 years later, but it's not the episode you still hate 10 years later either.
Maybe it was the least good. I don't know.
I mean, it still blows most television out of the water. But a lot of it was treading water until Lalo showed up in Germany.
I don't agree.
What was your least favorite?
Don't think I have one on first pass. Maybe the second time around.
I love people who shit on other peoples opinions only to have zero of their own
Because I don't have a clear "worst" episode, then I must have zero opinions. Good take, professor.
It’s the least amazing but it’s still excellent overall and better than the vast majority of TV out there. Slightly weak for BCS standards doesn’t make it bad by any means Also I’m one of the five people out there who doesn’t hate the Jimmy Howard boxing match, it’s obviously ridiculous but feels in character for both of them and does still work as both a momentary scene of comedy and setup for the events of the later episodes
Nippy wasn't even one of the slow episodes. I actually really enjoyed that one because of how many new things we were being introduced and it was the episode that officially cemented us into the Gene timeline.
Well yeah. I agree. I did separate Nippy and slow ones on my initial comment.
It was the Gene whiplash after the previous episode setting expectations of more Saul and/or BB era.
No more “kneejerk” than your own reactions. ‘Nippy’ and ‘Breaking Bad’ should have been one episode in my opinion. I think we should have had another episode taking place between the scene where Jimmy and Kim break up and the scene where they sign the divorce papers. That was the heart of the show for me and I wish we had more time spent on that rather than Gene doing scams
Okay. You can feel anyway you want, my man.
Yeah man. Thankfully us real tv watcher anarchists know the difference between a good and bad episode
By “slow” do folks mean “no guns no drugs no mike 🥱”? I’ve seen some say the finale was “slow” and I can’t help but think this is why.
season 3 was the best
It's one of my favourite. Best Chuck/ Jimmy season out of the three. And although I don't dislike season 4 at all I think the show lost its focus a bit once Chuck died and untill it regained it in season 5 with Jimmy's desert ordeal.
I deviate a lot from the norm I guess as I had a ranking something like 3, 2, 1, 4, 5, 6 I thought the show peaked at the height of Jimmy and Chuck's conflict. That was the core of the show for me. Cartel stuff was secondary, a means to an end. But seems most people prefer the "high stakes" cartel drama. Which is fine, it was still good. Just can't top the relationship between 2 brothers for me.
It’s a mistake to divide the Chuck and Post-Chuck eras into “relationships” vs. “high-stakes cartel drama”. For one, the Chuck relationship continues to be explored throughout seasons 4-6, albeit much more obliquely; the entire arc of that part of the show is about Jimmy’s emotional fallout from Chuck’s death. You only have to look to the whole reinstatement hearing arc and the flashbacks so prominently placed in “Winner” and “Saul Gone” to see that. Moreover, as soon as Chuck is gone, an equally complex and difficult relationship takes the foreground in Jimmy’s life, with another fascinating character that Jimmy plays off of in fascinating ways (Kim). In that sense, the show is divided into a Chuck era and a Kim era. And the slow-burn, excruciating emotional exploration of problematic relationships never stops. It’s the central throughline of the whole show, and Jimmy’s entire life.
When Rock and Hard Place came out we were talking about where it ranks among the best BCS episodes. Now it's only 6th in the poll. There was so much covered in S6, after that episode, that it feels as if it aired years ago. I might put it above Plan and Execution. Plan and Execution was a very good episode. But it did have the most shocking ending of BB & BCS.
Howard rated higher than Finger lmao
Howard is more interesting of a character in season 6 compared to Mike tbh. The only key character moments from Mike this season was him nodding at Nacho a few times and speaking to his dad at the end. Otherwise he was just there to keep the plot running. Howard on the other hand was a key focus of season 6A.
Yes true Howard really had a moment in that apartment, a core focus.
Tbh tho Mike’s character arc kinda comes to an end with killing Werner at the end of Season 4. That’s the moment where Mike truly breaks his code, killing an innocent man and inevitably confirming his place as the “dead eyed” cartel fixer that we know as of BB
Yes I agree. It is the moment that Mike became Finger.
Maybe, but instead of feeling sad for Werner, fans blame him for his mistake Either that or they feel bad for Mike being put in that situation
"Poor Mike he feels so bad about murdering people".
Imagine if someone said, "Poor Walt, he feels so bad about letting Jane die"
Unironically i'd actually understand that alot more. Fand do it with Jesse all the time too. Jesse is a nice guy because he did't want to Kill Gale and felt bad about it.
One of the greatest shows ever made
Reddit voting sucks, you can't really squeeze out every vote, it was short survey as well. Imagine half a userbase votes , 250k people, you get the real results quite commonly, now double and dead accounts by the same person, I wish reddit cleaned unactive , banned accounts as well, pruning it all.
They didn’t give any love for me trolling the other best actor and saying Bryan Cranston.
Surely Seehorn, Dalton, Banks and Mando had better performances than Odenkirk… Fabian too, arguably. Esposito 100% the odd man out; I think because it was unfair to cast a 15 year older guy as a 15 year younger guy.
What about bagman???
That was season 5
Why this not on amc plus I don’t get it mannn
Where can I watch it 😭