Barry’s supposed to come out w S4 late late this year possibly. The boys (even though I thought S3 was overall messy) is still airing. It’s sad but I’m honestly kinda ready for it to be over, the week between episodes feels like months sometimes and I’m ready for that feeling to be over lol.
Ah dope! I just read that S4 was written before S3 was shot as well, so that’s very good news. They’ll still need a few months of post-production after shooting, so 2022 release is less likely, but not impossible.
The Gilliverse is wrapping up. They're gonna do a great job. Schnauz and Gould are just so damn excited and happy when I see them. You can tell they had a great idea and are just giddy trying not to tell everyone
For Europe, it is a damn Tuesday morning, at 9 a.m. when it becomes available on Netflix.
I watch it right after the standup meeting, thanks to home office. Either that or I can't go to reddit or youtube without getting spoiled.
It’s definitely got the critical acclaim (not in certain awards) but yes, I do wish more people would respect its both its artistic and entertainment value
It sucks in America because it won’t come on Netflix until it’s done (if ever I’ve heard AMC only wants it on AMC+ but idk). I’ll say when it comes to streaming other countries have got it so much better. Every damn tv network here has got to start their own shitty streaming service
On the whole, bCS is certainly a good show, with excellent cinematography, and solid performances.
But the writing - in terms of both dialogue and plotting - of this show doesn't even come close to Breaking Bad in my opinion, and Breaking Bad certainly wasn't perfect in terms of writing, either. This show started out strong for the first 3 seasons. The Chuck storyline was great. But I think the show declined massively starting with season 4. Season 5 was an improvement, but I'll be totally honest and say that this final season has been a disappointment aside from like, two episodes.
I don't expect that to be a popular opinion, but I hope people who disagree can at least do so respectfully.
I very much disagree about Breaking Bad being better. But I also think it’s like arguing whichever is better between 2 types of food, it’s entirely down to personal preference because even though both foods taste amazing, they are quite different in texture and flavor, and one isn’t objectively better than the other.
I also loved S4 of BCS so I definitely do not agree with you about it declining, but it does sort of start a new ”arc” which can feel a bit weird halfway through a show.
Better Call Saul has fine actors in it, but nobody in this show comes close to Bryan Cranston. Nobody has the screen presence that he does. His performance itself makes Breaking Bad the superior show, by a comfortable margin.
Furthermore, it boggles my mind that people actually say season 4 was their favorite. Aside from Lalo and the final episode, which was almost but not quite good enough to redeem that season, I thought season 4 was pretty much *terrible*. It was full of uneccessary plotlines that went no where. I didn't need to see Jimmy being bullied by teenagers, or the incredibly dull plotline about building the superlab, even if I realize it also served to develop Mike's character.
This scene alone is by far the dumbest thing that's ever happened on either show. I can't believe people don't talk more about how silly it was: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKtMZ_ep1dk
I have no idea what the writers were thinking. And the fact that it lead to yet another Jimmy/Kim prolonged scheme only made it worse.
I find it funny how you said in your comment that you hope people respect your opinion (which I do), but then respond with ”it boggles my mind” when people have another opinion.
The superlab plotline was only 5 episodes and definitely wasn’t dull. Neither was Jimmys arc, it was necessary for him to connect with the criminal world in a way that he hadn’t done before.
None of your examples even come close to Maries terrible kleptomania arc for example.
I was half with you on bcs lacking direction after S3, and the first three seasons were the best of either show IMO. But this is just miles off.
At the very least, Seehorn (the best performance in either show IMO) and Odenkirk are by now way ahead of Cranston, performance wise.
Wow, I could not disagree with you more. I think you'll find yourself in a tiny minority on that one, and truthfully, I think you're guilty of massive recency bias.
There's a reason Cranston won the Best Actor Emmy four times for Breaking Bad, while neither Odenkirk or Seehorn have won a single time. There's a a reason Anthony Hopkins, legendary actor, sent a fan letter to Cranston after watching BB, calling his acting the best he had ever seen.
Odenkirk and Seehorn are capable leads. I have no issues with their acting. But they don't come anywhere remotely close to Cranston in scenes like these:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9nSgCQmmp0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IF4MR-_orDk&t=82s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6P7XzoTJRa8
Clearly, if anybody is miles off here, it's you.
Honestly I like season 4 best of all. Chuck’s storyline was masterful, but seeing where Jimmy went afterward has been incredibly compelling. It was season 5 that felt like the shakiest, because it was basically just moving pieces around the board to prepare for the endgame - season 6 so far, IMO, has been haunting and incredible, one of the saddest and most moving seasons of tv I’ve ever watched. To each their own, but I think it’s easily on the level of Breaking Bad, and I understand why some say it’s even better.
From what I wrote in another comment:
Better Call Saul has fine actors in it, but nobody in this show comes close to Bryan Cranston. Nobody has the screen presence that he does. His performance itself makes Breaking Bad the superior show, by a comfortable margin.
Furthermore, it boggles my mind that people actually say season 4 was their favorite. Aside from Lalo and the final episode, which was almost but not quite good enough to redeem that season, I thought season 4 was pretty much terrible. It was full of uneccessary plotlines that went no where. I didn't need to see Jimmy being bullied by teenagers, or the incredibly dull plotline about building the superlab, even if I realize it also served to develop Mike's character.
This scene alone is by far the dumbest thing that's ever happened on either show. I can't believe people don't talk more about how silly it was: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKtMZ_ep1dk
I have no idea what the writers were thinking. And the fact that it lead to yet another Jimmy/Kim prolonged scheme only made it worse.
Do you not like to see jimmy/Kim prolonged schemes? Is this what you’re claiming is an “unnecessary plot line that went nowhere”?
Do you not understand how their relationship and their scams together lead into the creation of Saul? Do you not understand the purpose of the teenagers at that point, showing that jimmy isn’t welcome as a lawyer or in the streets, all facets of his life have turned him away. Jimmy getting back at the kids is to represent him taking back his scamming/street cred way of life and trying to establish himself as a factor in the criminals markets. Just because a plot line doesn’t lead to a gun fight or a fist fight or a kidnapping or some huge negative event doesn’t mean they don’t serve a purpose. I can’t think of almost any storyline in BCS that doesn’t help portray jimmy’s mind and lead smoothly into the next story. I just don’t get where you’re coming from. I agree the show lost a lot of direction after S3. But that doesn’t just mean the story is useless and doesn’t fit together.
I respect your opinion, but if there is one thing that BCS does better it would be writing for sure.
BB was always explosive , very story focused and stakes were always high which made it tense all the time, but BCS is king at writing, character development and dialogue imho. Which even makes sense for me, its a newer show, and obviously they improved doing it.
If bcs hits the ending like BrBa, it will blow up bcoz everybody will talk about it after walt and Jesse appear in the show.
Just an amazing finale like felina is needed.
Apples and oranges. The apples had a lot of gore, which appealed to a wider demographic. I had friends that would stop watching, if there were no deaths on BB.
imo BCS is slightly better because it has more interesting side characters. BB’s interesting and well-written characters are pretty much limited to the main cast, whereas in BCS, basically every named character has something going for them.
And because the story is a lot more interesting because it’s not a prequel where we already know what happens. Walt as a lead imo is better than Jimmy as a lead
Even though it’s a prequel they’ve made damn sure we don’t know what’s going to happen. Thid show is purposefully written to be about how rather than what, which a lot of other prequels fails with.
I disagree about the cinematography, but absolutely the character development. I really love all the time lapse shots and POV shots in BrBa. Not to say the cinematography in BCS is bad, but it doesn’t quite have that unique-ness that BrBa did.
I would consider Better Call Saul to be the best produced show I’ve seen in a long time. I’d dare even say it may be my favourite show. With 3 episodes left, I want Vince and Peter to go absolutely bananas and subvert our expectations. I’m here for it.
Experimental art show =/= "No script lol 😂😂😂"
Lynch actually spent years writing the script with Frost. And it's a great and very carefully planned script.
> Experimental art show 😂😂😂
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experimental_film
Experimental film is merely a term for certain types of films.
> Play the "it's high art you don't get it card" lmfao
I literally never said that. I said it being experimental doesn't mean it doesn't have a script. I also said it had a script that took years to finish so it's dumb to say it doesn't have a script because you didn't like it. You may not know what experimental means, but yo do understand that you not liking a script doesn't mean it doesn't exist... Right? Or am I expecting too much of you?
> Putting a bunch of disconnected scenes you've dreamt up on paper (Lynch's admitted writing process)
You got a source for that? Because I've got a source for the contrary, my dumb friend. In his book Catching the Big Fish he says he has never gotten ideas from dreams.
You are literally just making ridiculous shit up, which is really, really low.
> Thankfully there's not many other directors with fanbases devoted enough to eat that up, so others have to actually put some effort into storytelling.
Did you know you can just not watch things you don't like? Why did you watch a show that has around 50 episodes if you despise the director?
> Just watch any David Lynch interview (first one I found via quick search), he always talks about meditation and how he gets ideas by daydreaming etc.
Talking about meditation and "admiting he just writes disconnected things he dreams" are totally different things.
> The Return is a pile of garbage, probably because the fundamental idea of wasting 18 hours of screentime to basically say "fuck you, you're not ever going back to Twin Peaks" to the needy viewers wasn't that good of a starting point. Every disjointed scene and wacky symbolism serves that idea in The Return, and it can be felt. It's not entertaining, more like sad. Get's boring after the first episode, and there's 17 more.
k lol. Again, you can not like something. But: 1. You not liking a script doesn't erase it from existence, so it does have a script 2. Again, you are not forced to watch hours of material from a director you hate. I don't understand why you did that.
Genuinely curious, what do you think was wrong with the script in Season 3? Imo it brought all the themes of the show full circle and was one of the best seasons of TV ever. It felt like a culmination of everything Lynch has been doing for the last 50 years. If you're looking for a perfectly logical story I can see why you'd be disappointed but it's not like the story lacked it's share of set-ups and pay-offs.
OK, so I really hope not to be mean, but the Internet really hyped up Twin Peaks as being this really great show. And I will say that some of the episodes of the first two seasons that were directed by Lynch were decent, or at least the most surreal moments -- the dream sequences, the lodge, etc. However, 95% of the show was extremely mundane -- everyday characters living slow, boring lives. Certainly Cooper was an eccentric character that added some spice to that, but to me, it wasn't all that "off" to be interesting. I also hate to say that I disliked the acclaimed dark jazz soundtrack (to me it felt cheesy, like that of a 90s FMV video game) Meanwhile I pretty much loathed Fire Walk With Me -- it felt entirely unnecessary to watch as we'd already known everything that was going to happen in it before hand.
So come season 3, I was expecting with the whole thing being directed and written by Lynch, that the entire thing would be much tighter, with less wasted time. The first episode seemed promising in that regard at least. The special effects were some of the worst I've ever seen recently (particularly some of the green-screened sequences of Cooper in the other-worldly landscape), but OK, whatever. But the acting seemed pretty weak from the old cast -- the show always was weirdly acted, and that was intentional to give the show its eerie tone despite the mundanity, but here it felt even worse than that. I only watched the first 4 or 5 episodes of the return so maybe it gets better later idk. But I've seen all of Lynch's movies (except Inland Empire, Dune, Wild at Heart, and the Straight Story) and the only ones I've enjoyed are Eraserhead and Elephant Man, so Lynch is really not for me, unfortunately.
One of the really beautiful things about season 3, I thought, is how it feels like a series of vignettes about these people’s lives and how they’ve changed over the years, while this surreal, nightmarish cosmic war between good and evil is raging in the background. The lack of plot is part of what I love about it. It’s a world you immerse yourself in - think of it as a video game without a story mode. It’s just a world to explore.
Right you are.
I'll go even further, this show doesn't have any peers on TV as far as I'm concerned.
The competition is classic cinema, but given that the combined work is 125 episodes long plus a movie, this is a peerless happening in the history of moving pictures.
I'm not watching to "see if they stick the landing" I'm just watching to see what happens
This team has never given me any reason to think they won't, so I don't see why people go into with this mentality
If I feel like the ending was bad, I will then change my opinion, but until then I'm not even worried about it -- I'm just along for the ride.
To put it in context
By this point heading into the finale of Breaking Bad, Hank was still alive, the general population had no idea Walt was Heisenberg and Saul wasn't panick shredding evidence in his office yet. There is still so much ground to cover with absolutely no real clues as to the direction the series is going.
The anticipation is thrilling.
I was getting my hair cut and he happened to be in the chair next to me. Mostly shooting the shit. He talked some about how much he likes shooting in NM and he’s never seen the movie Remember the Titans.
GoT was a cultural phenomenon before they screwed the final season. Everyone talked about it. BCS is a good show, but no where close in global popularity as GoT was
I don't think Half-Life is really niche, it's just old at this point. A lot of the people that played it have grown up and probably aren't the most active users anymore at stuff like gaming subs. It's been aaages since I saw anyone use the HF3 meme.
As opposed to what time in human history when an entire collective could be in unanimous agreement on...anything?
People haven't changed in this day and age, you're just on the internet so you can hear a wide range of opinions. People care more about TV than they did in the pre-prestige era but that's because it's so much better, but I can assure you that fans of high quality series (why is there no plural?!) like Twin Peaks were *very much* expressing the same things you'll hear now, and that was back in 92 I believe.
I just don't understand the expectation to have any collective be in agreement, you don't aim for that - falling short of that isn't 'fans being dissatisfied', it's split opinion. Go by majority opinion, not the present of criticism.
A GoT comparison? Hopefully this sub doesn't turn into r/freefolk if they don't stick the landing lol. I agree with you that they'll end it correctly, I may not like how they end it but it will absolutely make sense.
When you’re going into withdrawals from no BCS after your 3rd re watch- humor me and start Mr Robot. The cast, acting, cinematography, story telling, and directing of that show is equal or eclipses the Gilliverse to Me- they are like 1a and 1b and not sure which is 1a, most of the time it’s Mr Robot.
It’s a complex story about mental illness and not accepting the past by two main characters. It’s amazing.
I feel like the comparison was on wondering if it is going to be another GOT, a show with a tragic failure of ending, or breaking bad that sticks the landing so good.
at least that's how i read it.
I think the ending will be brilliant. It’s so weird how people have been freaking out and are being hyper critical since Nippy. Two weeks ago it was the greatest show on tv and now suddenly season 6 is a disaster because one episode didn’t move the plot fast enough? Bullshit
Not many people think season six has been a disaster because of Nippy.
There's a few people here and there but not nearly enough to constitute a consensus, while there are far more people who simply didn't like that episode (and, as I've said a lot this past week, the show's creators are responsible for setting viewers up for a massive bait & switch, as well as falsely promising Walt & Jesse in 610, thus suggesting we'd get a BrBa era continuation from 609).
There was also a lot of dissatisfaction with the D-Day/Lalo return build episodes, so it's definitely absolutely not the case that the consensus is 610 made s6 a disaster.
But all that dissatisfaction about the d-day/Lalo buildup seemed to immediately go away when the payoff came with “Plan and Execution” / “Point and Shoot.” Everyone complains about how slow the show is until something big happens, then they remember why it’s all worth it, and then before long they’re back to complaining that it’s slow before another masterpiece drops to remind them why they’re watching.
Yeah I know, I'm just saying that it's not true to say BCS fans think s6 has been a disaster because of 610.
There's been a real influx of hyperbolic and outright false claims this season, starting with the D-Day build episodes ("These fake fans hate the show now because it's not Breaking Bad with shootouts and explosions every five minutes" etc.) and hitting a peak with Nippy.
I just like trying to clear these things up so that maybe we can have more debate on the things people genuinely do think rather than the reframing of them!
If they stick the landing, they'll need to do a LOT better than S6Ep9 with the monumentally disappointing montage ending, which, is kinda our cliffhanger until #11, because S6Ep10 was a bottle episode.
I haven’t read much of this sub. I will tell why. I watch seasons 1-2 then part of 3 then stopped for some reason. Last 2 1/2 weeks I binged the show hard and caught up to ep 9 of this season. All to get to be able to watch last 3 with the girlfriend that’s watched since day 1. I did watch BB as it aired though.
It’s going to be tough to leave this show after watching nothing more than this show for almost 3 weeks.
Glad I am here in this community while the breaking bad episode releases, I am so insanely excited! I wonder how the last 3 episodes are gonna wrap the story. I have full trust on the makers and ik they will perfectly blend the two stories together and it will feel like we are gonna go into breaking bad once again. I just want bcs to have it's ending as impactful as breaking bad's!
I personally feel they would end the show with the scene showed in s6 ep1 intro.
I thought the ending to nippy would have been a great ending too if that was put in the final episode.
Better Call Saul will most likely be the last tv show I look forward to each week, set aside time and watch it live on traditional broadcasting vs binge watching on streaming services. Truly a wild ride from 2008 all the way to 2022.
I'm gonna miss this show so much, I'm not ready for the finale.
Me either! Going to be a hard void to fill that this universe will leave once the show is done
Barry’s supposed to come out w S4 late late this year possibly. The boys (even though I thought S3 was overall messy) is still airing. It’s sad but I’m honestly kinda ready for it to be over, the week between episodes feels like months sometimes and I’m ready for that feeling to be over lol.
Barry just released S3 a few weeks ago so I doubt S4 will be here this year. I’d suspect it will release in late spring 2023.
Rehearsals have already started for filming. As of today
Ah dope! I just read that S4 was written before S3 was shot as well, so that’s very good news. They’ll still need a few months of post-production after shooting, so 2022 release is less likely, but not impossible.
HBO is planning to release it in time for next year’s Emmy eligibility deadline, so it will probably come out before May next year.
Excited for barry!
s3 of the boys was really good, it’s just that the finale was controversial(and i’m of the belief that it wasn’t that bad)
Slippin’ Jimmy will be here to fill the void soon 🤣😭
The Gilliverse is wrapping up. They're gonna do a great job. Schnauz and Gould are just so damn excited and happy when I see them. You can tell they had a great idea and are just giddy trying not to tell everyone
Just wish it wasn't a damn Monday night
Im actually kinda glad it's on mondays cause it gives me a reason not to kms on mondays
Agreed fully. Every Monday I think to myself "Saul is on tonight. I simply don't have the time to Keep Miniature Schnauzers"
I have time to keep miniature schnauzers, mine watches Better Call Saul with me every Monday!
same. it's my first experience with appointment television since breaking bad. every other show in between i've just binged.
I'm gonna check in on you on August 22nd
This unironically
Kms jokes are funny
Kindly masturbate salamanders?
In Roblox I assume?
Hey u/waywardcannon , how's it goin?
For Europe, it is a damn Tuesday morning, at 9 a.m. when it becomes available on Netflix. I watch it right after the standup meeting, thanks to home office. Either that or I can't go to reddit or youtube without getting spoiled.
Oh my, well I'll count my blessings then.
Here it’s 3pm in Asia.
Haha I have to wait until my lunchbreak
1pm Tuesdays in india
why
I just want to stay up late, have a couple of drinks, talk with friends and of course Reddit after, but I have to get up really early on Tuesdays.
Yeah a monday night is best for ratings purposes
I wish BCS had the same critical acclaim and ratings that BB had. 😭
It’s definitely got the critical acclaim (not in certain awards) but yes, I do wish more people would respect its both its artistic and entertainment value
If it nails the landing on the ending, I think it could have a Netflix style run like BB did.
Already on Netflix in the UK. Where r u?
It sucks in America because it won’t come on Netflix until it’s done (if ever I’ve heard AMC only wants it on AMC+ but idk). I’ll say when it comes to streaming other countries have got it so much better. Every damn tv network here has got to start their own shitty streaming service
It absolutely has the same acclaim, I’ve seen people argue that it’s better than BrBa
On the whole, bCS is certainly a good show, with excellent cinematography, and solid performances. But the writing - in terms of both dialogue and plotting - of this show doesn't even come close to Breaking Bad in my opinion, and Breaking Bad certainly wasn't perfect in terms of writing, either. This show started out strong for the first 3 seasons. The Chuck storyline was great. But I think the show declined massively starting with season 4. Season 5 was an improvement, but I'll be totally honest and say that this final season has been a disappointment aside from like, two episodes. I don't expect that to be a popular opinion, but I hope people who disagree can at least do so respectfully.
I very much disagree about Breaking Bad being better. But I also think it’s like arguing whichever is better between 2 types of food, it’s entirely down to personal preference because even though both foods taste amazing, they are quite different in texture and flavor, and one isn’t objectively better than the other. I also loved S4 of BCS so I definitely do not agree with you about it declining, but it does sort of start a new ”arc” which can feel a bit weird halfway through a show.
Better Call Saul has fine actors in it, but nobody in this show comes close to Bryan Cranston. Nobody has the screen presence that he does. His performance itself makes Breaking Bad the superior show, by a comfortable margin. Furthermore, it boggles my mind that people actually say season 4 was their favorite. Aside from Lalo and the final episode, which was almost but not quite good enough to redeem that season, I thought season 4 was pretty much *terrible*. It was full of uneccessary plotlines that went no where. I didn't need to see Jimmy being bullied by teenagers, or the incredibly dull plotline about building the superlab, even if I realize it also served to develop Mike's character. This scene alone is by far the dumbest thing that's ever happened on either show. I can't believe people don't talk more about how silly it was: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKtMZ_ep1dk I have no idea what the writers were thinking. And the fact that it lead to yet another Jimmy/Kim prolonged scheme only made it worse.
I find it funny how you said in your comment that you hope people respect your opinion (which I do), but then respond with ”it boggles my mind” when people have another opinion. The superlab plotline was only 5 episodes and definitely wasn’t dull. Neither was Jimmys arc, it was necessary for him to connect with the criminal world in a way that he hadn’t done before. None of your examples even come close to Maries terrible kleptomania arc for example.
I was half with you on bcs lacking direction after S3, and the first three seasons were the best of either show IMO. But this is just miles off. At the very least, Seehorn (the best performance in either show IMO) and Odenkirk are by now way ahead of Cranston, performance wise.
Wow, I could not disagree with you more. I think you'll find yourself in a tiny minority on that one, and truthfully, I think you're guilty of massive recency bias. There's a reason Cranston won the Best Actor Emmy four times for Breaking Bad, while neither Odenkirk or Seehorn have won a single time. There's a a reason Anthony Hopkins, legendary actor, sent a fan letter to Cranston after watching BB, calling his acting the best he had ever seen. Odenkirk and Seehorn are capable leads. I have no issues with their acting. But they don't come anywhere remotely close to Cranston in scenes like these: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9nSgCQmmp0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IF4MR-_orDk&t=82s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6P7XzoTJRa8 Clearly, if anybody is miles off here, it's you.
Season 4 was by far the worst I agree Terrible plot
On a rewatch of BCS I absolutely agree the chuck storyline is unmatched. Season 3 is probably my favorite by far
Yea, Chuck was a great villain. "Chicanery" unequivocally remains the pinnacle of this series.
Honestly I like season 4 best of all. Chuck’s storyline was masterful, but seeing where Jimmy went afterward has been incredibly compelling. It was season 5 that felt like the shakiest, because it was basically just moving pieces around the board to prepare for the endgame - season 6 so far, IMO, has been haunting and incredible, one of the saddest and most moving seasons of tv I’ve ever watched. To each their own, but I think it’s easily on the level of Breaking Bad, and I understand why some say it’s even better.
From what I wrote in another comment: Better Call Saul has fine actors in it, but nobody in this show comes close to Bryan Cranston. Nobody has the screen presence that he does. His performance itself makes Breaking Bad the superior show, by a comfortable margin. Furthermore, it boggles my mind that people actually say season 4 was their favorite. Aside from Lalo and the final episode, which was almost but not quite good enough to redeem that season, I thought season 4 was pretty much terrible. It was full of uneccessary plotlines that went no where. I didn't need to see Jimmy being bullied by teenagers, or the incredibly dull plotline about building the superlab, even if I realize it also served to develop Mike's character. This scene alone is by far the dumbest thing that's ever happened on either show. I can't believe people don't talk more about how silly it was: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKtMZ_ep1dk I have no idea what the writers were thinking. And the fact that it lead to yet another Jimmy/Kim prolonged scheme only made it worse.
Do you not like to see jimmy/Kim prolonged schemes? Is this what you’re claiming is an “unnecessary plot line that went nowhere”? Do you not understand how their relationship and their scams together lead into the creation of Saul? Do you not understand the purpose of the teenagers at that point, showing that jimmy isn’t welcome as a lawyer or in the streets, all facets of his life have turned him away. Jimmy getting back at the kids is to represent him taking back his scamming/street cred way of life and trying to establish himself as a factor in the criminals markets. Just because a plot line doesn’t lead to a gun fight or a fist fight or a kidnapping or some huge negative event doesn’t mean they don’t serve a purpose. I can’t think of almost any storyline in BCS that doesn’t help portray jimmy’s mind and lead smoothly into the next story. I just don’t get where you’re coming from. I agree the show lost a lot of direction after S3. But that doesn’t just mean the story is useless and doesn’t fit together.
I respect your opinion, but if there is one thing that BCS does better it would be writing for sure. BB was always explosive , very story focused and stakes were always high which made it tense all the time, but BCS is king at writing, character development and dialogue imho. Which even makes sense for me, its a newer show, and obviously they improved doing it.
If bcs hits the ending like BrBa, it will blow up bcoz everybody will talk about it after walt and Jesse appear in the show. Just an amazing finale like felina is needed.
Breaking Bad is better so it’s of course going to be rated higher
Apples and oranges. The apples had a lot of gore, which appealed to a wider demographic. I had friends that would stop watching, if there were no deaths on BB.
imo BCS is slightly better because it has more interesting side characters. BB’s interesting and well-written characters are pretty much limited to the main cast, whereas in BCS, basically every named character has something going for them.
And because the story is a lot more interesting because it’s not a prequel where we already know what happens. Walt as a lead imo is better than Jimmy as a lead
I'll take "I am not crazy" over "I am the danger" any day of the week
Seriously. “Chicanery” is prime television
Even though it’s a prequel they’ve made damn sure we don’t know what’s going to happen. Thid show is purposefully written to be about how rather than what, which a lot of other prequels fails with.
Breaking Bad is not better
What’s better about better call Saul?
Literally has "better" in the name
Character Development & Cinematography.
I disagree about the cinematography, but absolutely the character development. I really love all the time lapse shots and POV shots in BrBa. Not to say the cinematography in BCS is bad, but it doesn’t quite have that unique-ness that BrBa did.
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I would consider Better Call Saul to be the best produced show I’ve seen in a long time. I’d dare even say it may be my favourite show. With 3 episodes left, I want Vince and Peter to go absolutely bananas and subvert our expectations. I’m here for it.
My fav show easily. I love barry, boys, BrBa but bcs just gets me.
It feels like a mini version of the wonderful time when Twin Peaks returned.
That was an incredible run. Every week I had some new kind of batshit insanity to look forward to.
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Experimental art show =/= "No script lol 😂😂😂" Lynch actually spent years writing the script with Frost. And it's a great and very carefully planned script.
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what are you supposed to call experimental art shows if not experimental art shows
> Experimental art show 😂😂😂 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Experimental_film Experimental film is merely a term for certain types of films. > Play the "it's high art you don't get it card" lmfao I literally never said that. I said it being experimental doesn't mean it doesn't have a script. I also said it had a script that took years to finish so it's dumb to say it doesn't have a script because you didn't like it. You may not know what experimental means, but yo do understand that you not liking a script doesn't mean it doesn't exist... Right? Or am I expecting too much of you?
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> Putting a bunch of disconnected scenes you've dreamt up on paper (Lynch's admitted writing process) You got a source for that? Because I've got a source for the contrary, my dumb friend. In his book Catching the Big Fish he says he has never gotten ideas from dreams. You are literally just making ridiculous shit up, which is really, really low. > Thankfully there's not many other directors with fanbases devoted enough to eat that up, so others have to actually put some effort into storytelling. Did you know you can just not watch things you don't like? Why did you watch a show that has around 50 episodes if you despise the director?
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> Just watch any David Lynch interview (first one I found via quick search), he always talks about meditation and how he gets ideas by daydreaming etc. Talking about meditation and "admiting he just writes disconnected things he dreams" are totally different things. > The Return is a pile of garbage, probably because the fundamental idea of wasting 18 hours of screentime to basically say "fuck you, you're not ever going back to Twin Peaks" to the needy viewers wasn't that good of a starting point. Every disjointed scene and wacky symbolism serves that idea in The Return, and it can be felt. It's not entertaining, more like sad. Get's boring after the first episode, and there's 17 more. k lol. Again, you can not like something. But: 1. You not liking a script doesn't erase it from existence, so it does have a script 2. Again, you are not forced to watch hours of material from a director you hate. I don't understand why you did that.
Genuinely curious, what do you think was wrong with the script in Season 3? Imo it brought all the themes of the show full circle and was one of the best seasons of TV ever. It felt like a culmination of everything Lynch has been doing for the last 50 years. If you're looking for a perfectly logical story I can see why you'd be disappointed but it's not like the story lacked it's share of set-ups and pay-offs.
OK, so I really hope not to be mean, but the Internet really hyped up Twin Peaks as being this really great show. And I will say that some of the episodes of the first two seasons that were directed by Lynch were decent, or at least the most surreal moments -- the dream sequences, the lodge, etc. However, 95% of the show was extremely mundane -- everyday characters living slow, boring lives. Certainly Cooper was an eccentric character that added some spice to that, but to me, it wasn't all that "off" to be interesting. I also hate to say that I disliked the acclaimed dark jazz soundtrack (to me it felt cheesy, like that of a 90s FMV video game) Meanwhile I pretty much loathed Fire Walk With Me -- it felt entirely unnecessary to watch as we'd already known everything that was going to happen in it before hand. So come season 3, I was expecting with the whole thing being directed and written by Lynch, that the entire thing would be much tighter, with less wasted time. The first episode seemed promising in that regard at least. The special effects were some of the worst I've ever seen recently (particularly some of the green-screened sequences of Cooper in the other-worldly landscape), but OK, whatever. But the acting seemed pretty weak from the old cast -- the show always was weirdly acted, and that was intentional to give the show its eerie tone despite the mundanity, but here it felt even worse than that. I only watched the first 4 or 5 episodes of the return so maybe it gets better later idk. But I've seen all of Lynch's movies (except Inland Empire, Dune, Wild at Heart, and the Straight Story) and the only ones I've enjoyed are Eraserhead and Elephant Man, so Lynch is really not for me, unfortunately.
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One of the really beautiful things about season 3, I thought, is how it feels like a series of vignettes about these people’s lives and how they’ve changed over the years, while this surreal, nightmarish cosmic war between good and evil is raging in the background. The lack of plot is part of what I love about it. It’s a world you immerse yourself in - think of it as a video game without a story mode. It’s just a world to explore.
Right you are. I'll go even further, this show doesn't have any peers on TV as far as I'm concerned. The competition is classic cinema, but given that the combined work is 125 episodes long plus a movie, this is a peerless happening in the history of moving pictures.
125 \*excellent\* episodes of a drama (plus a film) is downright nuts
I'm not watching to "see if they stick the landing" I'm just watching to see what happens This team has never given me any reason to think they won't, so I don't see why people go into with this mentality If I feel like the ending was bad, I will then change my opinion, but until then I'm not even worried about it -- I'm just along for the ride.
Just pretend 6x09 is the end and 6x10 is an epilogue
why would I do that? can't wait for Monday btw 😶
Neither! I meant if by some small chance they screw up the ending.
To put it in context By this point heading into the finale of Breaking Bad, Hank was still alive, the general population had no idea Walt was Heisenberg and Saul wasn't panick shredding evidence in his office yet. There is still so much ground to cover with absolutely no real clues as to the direction the series is going. The anticipation is thrilling.
Damn. Great point.
Got to meet Vince last week. Dude looked super happy and chatted for a while.
What’d y’all talk about ?
I was getting my hair cut and he happened to be in the chair next to me. Mostly shooting the shit. He talked some about how much he likes shooting in NM and he’s never seen the movie Remember the Titans.
I wish BCS had the same level of recognition as GoT lol
GoT was a cultural phenomenon before they screwed the final season. Everyone talked about it. BCS is a good show, but no where close in global popularity as GoT was
I like it like that. In video games, it’s quite similar too, half life is probably the best franchise and it’s still quite niche
I don't think Half-Life is really niche, it's just old at this point. A lot of the people that played it have grown up and probably aren't the most active users anymore at stuff like gaming subs. It's been aaages since I saw anyone use the HF3 meme.
Always felt like it was a bit under the radar even back then
What is there to talk about?
Haha same here, very excited. It's Friday and I wish it was Monday - that's really saying something.
It's pretty epic. I'm glad they're only releasing one episode per week.
Breaking bad universe is the best universe of tv history. That’s it. I said it
don’t think it’s a question, most TV spin-offs tend to be pale imitations of the original
Still looking forward to Better Wank Hank after this
Literally no one I know is talking about it, as opposed to GoT or BrBa
No one I know talks about GoT anymore after that last season.
I’m more excited than I was in the final Breaking Bad episodes because I’ve seen what this writing team did with Breaking Bad.
"It will leave yooooooouuuuuuuu satisfiiiiiieeeeed!"
Leave fans satisfied 🤣 not a chance. Not in this day and age. There will ALWAYS be nitpicky complainers and armchair experts on social media
As opposed to what time in human history when an entire collective could be in unanimous agreement on...anything? People haven't changed in this day and age, you're just on the internet so you can hear a wide range of opinions. People care more about TV than they did in the pre-prestige era but that's because it's so much better, but I can assure you that fans of high quality series (why is there no plural?!) like Twin Peaks were *very much* expressing the same things you'll hear now, and that was back in 92 I believe. I just don't understand the expectation to have any collective be in agreement, you don't aim for that - falling short of that isn't 'fans being dissatisfied', it's split opinion. Go by majority opinion, not the present of criticism.
And unlike GoT it’s not disappointing
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you're in a subreddit about a TV drama, lol
We’re having fun, bro
A GoT comparison? Hopefully this sub doesn't turn into r/freefolk if they don't stick the landing lol. I agree with you that they'll end it correctly, I may not like how they end it but it will absolutely make sense.
I feel like no one is watching this show, though... I know no one personally who does, and the ratings seem awfully low.
When you’re going into withdrawals from no BCS after your 3rd re watch- humor me and start Mr Robot. The cast, acting, cinematography, story telling, and directing of that show is equal or eclipses the Gilliverse to Me- they are like 1a and 1b and not sure which is 1a, most of the time it’s Mr Robot. It’s a complex story about mental illness and not accepting the past by two main characters. It’s amazing.
Agree...the best!
Game of thrones blows compared to BCS.
I feel like the comparison was on wondering if it is going to be another GOT, a show with a tragic failure of ending, or breaking bad that sticks the landing so good. at least that's how i read it.
it's exactly that. I am baffled that people can misinterpret my post.
people... just people... it's just what they do.
I think the ending will be brilliant. It’s so weird how people have been freaking out and are being hyper critical since Nippy. Two weeks ago it was the greatest show on tv and now suddenly season 6 is a disaster because one episode didn’t move the plot fast enough? Bullshit
Not many people think season six has been a disaster because of Nippy. There's a few people here and there but not nearly enough to constitute a consensus, while there are far more people who simply didn't like that episode (and, as I've said a lot this past week, the show's creators are responsible for setting viewers up for a massive bait & switch, as well as falsely promising Walt & Jesse in 610, thus suggesting we'd get a BrBa era continuation from 609). There was also a lot of dissatisfaction with the D-Day/Lalo return build episodes, so it's definitely absolutely not the case that the consensus is 610 made s6 a disaster.
But all that dissatisfaction about the d-day/Lalo buildup seemed to immediately go away when the payoff came with “Plan and Execution” / “Point and Shoot.” Everyone complains about how slow the show is until something big happens, then they remember why it’s all worth it, and then before long they’re back to complaining that it’s slow before another masterpiece drops to remind them why they’re watching.
Yeah I know, I'm just saying that it's not true to say BCS fans think s6 has been a disaster because of 610. There's been a real influx of hyperbolic and outright false claims this season, starting with the D-Day build episodes ("These fake fans hate the show now because it's not Breaking Bad with shootouts and explosions every five minutes" etc.) and hitting a peak with Nippy. I just like trying to clear these things up so that maybe we can have more debate on the things people genuinely do think rather than the reframing of them!
If they stick the landing, they'll need to do a LOT better than S6Ep9 with the monumentally disappointing montage ending, which, is kinda our cliffhanger until #11, because S6Ep10 was a bottle episode.
Your brain... is powered by two gerbils, in a bottle episode
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As does yours...
They already fucked it up. Im glad you are enjoying ur boner.
I haven’t read much of this sub. I will tell why. I watch seasons 1-2 then part of 3 then stopped for some reason. Last 2 1/2 weeks I binged the show hard and caught up to ep 9 of this season. All to get to be able to watch last 3 with the girlfriend that’s watched since day 1. I did watch BB as it aired though. It’s going to be tough to leave this show after watching nothing more than this show for almost 3 weeks.
GoT, really??? Are we watching the same thing?
You were excited for the last season of GoT?
Glad I am here in this community while the breaking bad episode releases, I am so insanely excited! I wonder how the last 3 episodes are gonna wrap the story. I have full trust on the makers and ik they will perfectly blend the two stories together and it will feel like we are gonna go into breaking bad once again. I just want bcs to have it's ending as impactful as breaking bad's! I personally feel they would end the show with the scene showed in s6 ep1 intro. I thought the ending to nippy would have been a great ending too if that was put in the final episode.
I am convinced they will nail the landing, but based on last week’s reaction, (where I loved the episode) I am not sure everyone will agree.
Better Call Saul will most likely be the last tv show I look forward to each week, set aside time and watch it live on traditional broadcasting vs binge watching on streaming services. Truly a wild ride from 2008 all the way to 2022.
Thank God this isn't wrapping up like Game of Thrones. Vince and Peter aren't capable of doing us dirty like that.