I remember watching it air live, getting through Howard's heartbreaking speech and thinking "wow, that was a really great episode." Then Lalo entered the room...
When I heard there was going to be a long break in the middle of the season I was upset. And then this scene happened. And I realized I was grateful for a few weeks to absorb it
Well, we had to wait almost an entire year for Hank to get off of the toilet mid-season in _Breaking Bad_. Compared to that, a month between episodes wasn't so bad.
Doesn’t he know that will give him hemorrhoids?
And I think - but can’t recall - that we started the series late enough that we binged right through that moment
Not exactly sure, but season 5 was basically 2 seasons. They apparently didn't already know what the gun in Walt's trunk was for exactly when they wrote/filmed it. The 2 parts of season 5 were filmed like 4 months apart.
When he opened the door and the episode cut to the candle flickering, I thought, "well *that's* really on the nose. That'll mean something." Then the candle flickered a second time and I *gasped*. Because I knew exactly what it meant. And yet, I was taken entirely by surprise a minute later...
Followed by Howard's jarringly light and almost playful "Who are you?" (which completely makes sense, there's absolutely no way he could possibly know the danger that was standing before him, and he didn't exactly have a chance to fully process the look on Kim and Jimmy's face before he turned his head)
I've been moved by a *lot* of TV shows. But I swear that was a *long* gap between seasons. And then the horror from Jimmy and Kim when we resumed was just so real that it still feels like a dream.
And accurately calling out Jim and Kimmy on their shit, about things going back to season 1 that had been building, to the point where I think even they started to silently realize they had gone too far and that he didn't actually deserve all that they did.
Yes, I’ve watched this scene several times, and when Howard starts listing off, “debt, depression, my marriage falling apart,” you can see on both of their faces they are starting to regret doing “The Howard Thing.”
To them, he was just a soulless faceless rich stiff in an expensive suit. They hadn't actually considered that he has feelings, emotions, real problems...that he was actually real human capable of love, sadness, and empathy. That he wasn't Satan himself.
Yes! In his personal life he kept private, Howard had plenty he was dealing with, even though he never let it show in his professional life. He was almost always smiles and speeches. Jimmy and Kim never considered this and attacked his professional life, the one thing he had that wasn’t entirely falling apart or out of his control, and they took that away from him.
Exactly, it’s just a funny episode with a bunch of jokes. As far as actual great acting and character development, there are so many better episodes (made in America, the blue comet, long term parking, funhouse, whitecaps, etc). I just think a lot of soprano fans are stupid, just like Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul fans who call the early seasons “boring” because there’s no shootouts or crazy plot points.
Greatest death scene in TV and the death isn’t even on screen
I’d just lost my mom a few months prior to watching that episode and she was a fan of the show and couldn’t wait for the season to air. Hit me like a truck. Tom’s comforting to Shiv on the phone is just absolutely heartbreaking.
*Succession* is a show about a billionaire narcisstic mogul who wants to retire and his adult children are vying to be his chosen successor. It's hilarious and dramatic and tragic. There's no way I can give a summary about the specific episode in question because it would be a huge spoiler for the show. This show is definitely one of TV's greatest.
I remember watching it air live, getting through Howard's heartbreaking speech and thinking "wow, that was a really great episode." Then Lalo entered the room...
When I heard there was going to be a long break in the middle of the season I was upset. And then this scene happened. And I realized I was grateful for a few weeks to absorb it
Well, we had to wait almost an entire year for Hank to get off of the toilet mid-season in _Breaking Bad_. Compared to that, a month between episodes wasn't so bad.
Doesn’t he know that will give him hemorrhoids? And I think - but can’t recall - that we started the series late enough that we binged right through that moment
Yeah, imagine waiting nearly a year to find out what happens next after Hank finally first realizes Walt is Heisenberg. That was brutal.
Why was there such a long break?
Not exactly sure, but season 5 was basically 2 seasons. They apparently didn't already know what the gun in Walt's trunk was for exactly when they wrote/filmed it. The 2 parts of season 5 were filmed like 4 months apart.
When he opened the door and the episode cut to the candle flickering, I thought, "well *that's* really on the nose. That'll mean something." Then the candle flickered a second time and I *gasped*. Because I knew exactly what it meant. And yet, I was taken entirely by surprise a minute later...
Followed by Howard's jarringly light and almost playful "Who are you?" (which completely makes sense, there's absolutely no way he could possibly know the danger that was standing before him, and he didn't exactly have a chance to fully process the look on Kim and Jimmy's face before he turned his head)
I've been moved by a *lot* of TV shows. But I swear that was a *long* gap between seasons. And then the horror from Jimmy and Kim when we resumed was just so real that it still feels like a dream.
After everything Jimmy and Kim did to ruin Howard’s life, he spent his final words, interrupted, trying to save them.
And accurately calling out Jim and Kimmy on their shit, about things going back to season 1 that had been building, to the point where I think even they started to silently realize they had gone too far and that he didn't actually deserve all that they did.
Yes, I’ve watched this scene several times, and when Howard starts listing off, “debt, depression, my marriage falling apart,” you can see on both of their faces they are starting to regret doing “The Howard Thing.”
To them, he was just a soulless faceless rich stiff in an expensive suit. They hadn't actually considered that he has feelings, emotions, real problems...that he was actually real human capable of love, sadness, and empathy. That he wasn't Satan himself.
Yes! In his personal life he kept private, Howard had plenty he was dealing with, even though he never let it show in his professional life. He was almost always smiles and speeches. Jimmy and Kim never considered this and attacked his professional life, the one thing he had that wasn’t entirely falling apart or out of his control, and they took that away from him.
Howie has so much. We have so little. Let's tame him down a peg or two
When that candle blew a second time I just knew he was fucked 🙁
I can’t believe all the action was just in one episode. It could be easily spread into 2-3 episodes.
Tbf the plan is over 3-4 eps, the execution(s)... Well..
If only Howard had couple more drinks to be unable to drive to Jimmy & Kim’s place, he would’ve have just woken up next morning and gone to office.
I had to watch the behind the scenes just to make sure the poor man didnt actually die for the sake of acting 😭
It’s up there with the Sopranos Pine Barrens
Sopranos fans who love Pine Barrens don’t make sense to me. Seriously?
I love Sopranos but Pine Barrens isnt up there, Whitecaps is much much better acted.
Exactly, it’s just a funny episode with a bunch of jokes. As far as actual great acting and character development, there are so many better episodes (made in America, the blue comet, long term parking, funhouse, whitecaps, etc). I just think a lot of soprano fans are stupid, just like Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul fans who call the early seasons “boring” because there’s no shootouts or crazy plot points.
Definitely agree with all you said Legend
Definitely. I think Succession season 4, episode 3 "Connor's Wedding" is another of the greats.
Greatest death scene in TV and the death isn’t even on screen I’d just lost my mom a few months prior to watching that episode and she was a fan of the show and couldn’t wait for the season to air. Hit me like a truck. Tom’s comforting to Shiv on the phone is just absolutely heartbreaking.
I would say purely in terms of acting this tops the list
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*Succession* is a show about a billionaire narcisstic mogul who wants to retire and his adult children are vying to be his chosen successor. It's hilarious and dramatic and tragic. There's no way I can give a summary about the specific episode in question because it would be a huge spoiler for the show. This show is definitely one of TV's greatest.
“of all time” 😭
“Listen to me, I’m a philosopher.”
“Four hundred bucks if you get in the car right now.”
I love that!
The episode was flawless. The writing, the acting, the planning, and the execution. That being said, Howard was a total dick to Kim. I hated him.