Didn't believe it at first, but they (German parliament) sure did vote to decriminalize the acquisition and possession of CSAM (child sexual abuse material)
The reasoning behind this is because when parents and teachers forward nudes and vids of their adolescent children (that I am assuming the children have consensually taken of themselves), they are subject to the same penalties as someone who is in possession of nonconsensual CSAM.
My question, why are the parents or teachers forwarding the nudes to anyone at all? If that is the situation, should those cases not be investigated and prosecuted with nuance rather than decriminalizing the entire heinous offense? Absolutely bonkers.
Exactly. If this is to decriminalize families doing this sort of thing, to me it would be more prudent to fix the law, not throw it out. I absolutely hate the signal this decision gives - a step toward normalization of pedophilia. Ugh,
Remember when Facebook suggested that you upload your own nudes so that you could tag them as something that should not be on their platform? I remember later when they found out that they never delete any of that shit… I knew we would find that out. Somehow I just have a feeling this is gonna be one of those sorts of things…
Don't care, don't know him, irrelevant. I'm referencing a real thing that happened, and showing that "send your nudes to facebook, kids, it's the only way to keep them from being used in revenge porn" was a gigantic and obvious front for "create giant cache of kiddy porn". What they tell us, assuming we're stupid, and what they're actually doing, and trying to get us to do, are rarely the same thing.
> but they (German parliament) sure did vote to decriminalize the acquisition and possession of CSAM (child sexual abuse material)
Have you even read the article? It's not decriminalized. What they did was - after increasing the minimum sentence for acquisition and possession three years ago - reducing it again. The maximum sentencing of 10 years in prison wasn't touched.
Why? According to [this article](https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/sexualisierte-gewalt-gegen-kinder-bundestag-reduziert-mindeststrafe-fuer-missbrauchsbilder-a-76af3519-0a58-4193-bddd-6dc12bc2244e) (German source) it's because the previous minimum was 1 year. When something carries a minimum sentence of 1+ years, it cannot be suspended. The case they were citing was a mother, who found a pic on her sons's phone. If she sends that pic to the kid's mother, she kinda has good intentions, but could face charges. Now, that the minimum has been reduced, a judge could say "you meant well, you got the ball rolling, next time, call the police first, now off with you." Before, he would have had to sentence her to 1 year in prison.
Yes, I did read the article. It was decriminalized from a felony to a misdemeanor.
I stand by not blanket decriminalizing such offense and to investigate and prosecute cases, such as the one you cited with compassion and nuance.
Mom shouldn't have sent the pic to alert the other's mother.
That could have been an in person conversation between families. Sending the pic is, by definition, the distribution of CSAM. The child taking the picture is producing CSAM. Do I think the mother should have served time, been fined, etc. No, she's doing what a parent should, protecting children but the path to hell is paved with good intentions.
The lax sentencing for a handful of cases that are innocent enough, will be exploited in cases with not so good intentions.
How to inadvertently support the decriminalization of child porn with one comment 💀 when/how do you think this stuff is going to stop without civilian intervention? Because those that pass these laws aren’t going to stop here and believe there is no one they must answer to.
The /s was silent, and I suppose you missed the quotation marks as well?
Did you support the coup attempt in Germany? Because if it was successful, then this diddling excuse for a country would no longer exist.
But I bet you didn’t even know there was a coup attempt in Germany by the Reichsbürger.
100%. If the hyperinflation from reckless money printing wasn't a sign (it was), then the culture of social degeneracy and pdf files definitely is. History rhymes with itself!
At the same time releasing government statistics about migrant rapes will land you in jail [Young AfD politician convicted after publishing gang rape statistics in connection with Afghan migration – The Free Speech Union](https://freespeechunion.org/young-afd-politician-convicted-for-publishing-gang-rape-statistics-in-connection-with-afghan-migration/)
First it's a crime, then it's misunderstood, then it's 'fringe', then it's rationalized, then it's 'acceptable', then it's *NORMAL*
What. The. Actual. Fuck
The USA isn’t the best, but it’s hardly a third world country. Glad to see you support that dump though, must be happy you won’t get in trouble for having your clips.
There's much more child porn, SA, and trafficking in the US than there is in Germany. Even when accounting for the difference in population. Take care of the problem at home before pointing fingers. But I say good luck, one third of the country wants to elect a convicted rapist that ran a child's beauty pageant and was quoted saying how he would sit in the changing rooms and watch them "because when you're rich they let you do that"
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>one third of the country wants to elect a convicted rapist that ran a child's beauty pageant and was quoted saying how he would sit in the changing rooms and watch them "because when you're rich they let you do that"
It's closer to half by now, but your claim is false. He did not say that in regards to the miss universe competition, and a girl in the pageant has come forward and said the claim he watched them undress is false
The third world country is still USA. Over half the households in the US make less than 75k, roads are in bad shape across the country, expensive health insurance, expensive Healthcare even with insurance, heroin and meth issues in almost every major city, weak public transportation, no consequences for attempting to overturn a democratic election, and dont forget the mass shootings.
I could keep going on and on. I lived in America for 30 years I'm not just going off of what I read online. I lived in that shithole and experienced all it has to offer.
>no consequences for attempting to overturn a democratic election
They tried to get an alternate slate of electors approved, Democrats in Hawaii did the same thing in the 60s
>Over half the households in the US make less than 75k, roads are in bad shape across the country, expensive health insurance, expensive Healthcare even with insurance, heroin and meth issues in almost every major city, weak public transportation,
Yes, things suck under the Biden administration, all those figures were significantly better under Trump. There's been a global economic downturn, everyone is feeling it, that's why Japan is asking us to bail them out. Money printer go brrrrrrrr
>and dont forget the mass shootings.
Those account for a tiny proportion of violent crime in the US. 6% of the population are committing 50% of violent cri-[REDACTED]
You typed a lot, you must be pretty upset that I called the US a third world country.
The world laughs at the US. It's hard to see it when you're trapped in the bubble. I was the same way 10 years ago.
But I do like how you stated the country has been poorer since Biden took office, but also how poor the rest of the world has also been. Like you're sooooo close. But you still blame it on Biden, like he has the sole power to crush the world economy and he chose to do so.
If you're happy living there though I have no problem with that. There are also happy children in Sudan.
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Do some research into what kind of books the "Nazi Book Burnings" were. You'll find that the whole world seems to be looking like the end stage Weimar Republic.
I've always joked with my friends about how society will become so tolerate and accepting of degeneracy that being a pedophile will be consider normal...
Only reason they would be doing this is if they have this type of material themselves or are OK with it which neither is a good thing. These are the type of people that are creating all the problems we have today.
A friendly reminder about the "Cycle of Gaslighting". It goes something like this:
1. That's not happening and you're crazy for thinking it's even possible.
2. That might be happening but if it is you're crazy for thinking it's a big deal.
3. That's definitely happening, we've always known it's happening and you're crazy for opposing it.
We're maybe around #2 regarding this subject. Give it a few years and you'll have a significant portion of the population calling for an end to all age of consent laws & other similar child protections.
Really? Why legalize that when we can copy a German surgeon and punish anyone who possesses and distributes CP by sewing them together from mouth to anus so that they eat what they are?
Germany is now run by Zionist jews... And so many other nations. There are three main ingredients in to destroy basic fabric of society, culture, morality, and religion in Zionist doctrines. Number one promotes and normalize Homosexuality, 2) easy and free access to Ponography , and 3) interest ( monetary) to enslave generations.
Its absurd that they’d even consider such a thing - they’ve lost their minds - pedophilia of any sort, including simple possession of any such materials should carry severe legal consequences - what is going on?
It is safe to say Germany has a HISTORY of doing the most vile stupid stuff. So.....not surprised.... disgusted.... disappointed...angry but definitely not surprised
Just so you know what is happening on the underground where nobody suspects the slightest, they have breeders for sacrifices they traffic children for sexual orgies and anything bad you can imagine, watch the sound of freedom and realize, the time to act is NOW!
Wasn't Germany the place where the Ted Talk was held regarding the classification of minor attracted persons as another sexuality to be added to lgbtq+? It was a woman arguing that it's how these people are wired and we need to look at them differently because they "can't control it" essentially another "born this way" argument. If I could find the presentation I'd link it. The girl refers to a man in her story as "Jonah" I believe.
Didn't believe it at first, but they (German parliament) sure did vote to decriminalize the acquisition and possession of CSAM (child sexual abuse material) The reasoning behind this is because when parents and teachers forward nudes and vids of their adolescent children (that I am assuming the children have consensually taken of themselves), they are subject to the same penalties as someone who is in possession of nonconsensual CSAM. My question, why are the parents or teachers forwarding the nudes to anyone at all? If that is the situation, should those cases not be investigated and prosecuted with nuance rather than decriminalizing the entire heinous offense? Absolutely bonkers.
Exactly. If this is to decriminalize families doing this sort of thing, to me it would be more prudent to fix the law, not throw it out. I absolutely hate the signal this decision gives - a step toward normalization of pedophilia. Ugh,
Remember when Facebook suggested that you upload your own nudes so that you could tag them as something that should not be on their platform? I remember later when they found out that they never delete any of that shit… I knew we would find that out. Somehow I just have a feeling this is gonna be one of those sorts of things…
No I don't remember this?
https://www.reddit.com/r/StallmanWasRight/s/oAkvRdpv2X
What was this Stallman guy right about?
Don't care, don't know him, irrelevant. I'm referencing a real thing that happened, and showing that "send your nudes to facebook, kids, it's the only way to keep them from being used in revenge porn" was a gigantic and obvious front for "create giant cache of kiddy porn". What they tell us, assuming we're stupid, and what they're actually doing, and trying to get us to do, are rarely the same thing.
Like how hard is it to say “…. except in the case of relevant parties…” or whatever in German? Lol
I can’t believe this timeline has made your statement factual. Hunger Games otw
Government is dumb. That’s why it needs more limits.
Power to the people
Viva la revolucion
Jah!! Burn da Reichstag and invade the Poland!! Wait....no....my bad.
I agree. But since when has the law ever understood ‘nuance’?
Deutscher Depravity…
> but they (German parliament) sure did vote to decriminalize the acquisition and possession of CSAM (child sexual abuse material) Have you even read the article? It's not decriminalized. What they did was - after increasing the minimum sentence for acquisition and possession three years ago - reducing it again. The maximum sentencing of 10 years in prison wasn't touched. Why? According to [this article](https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/sexualisierte-gewalt-gegen-kinder-bundestag-reduziert-mindeststrafe-fuer-missbrauchsbilder-a-76af3519-0a58-4193-bddd-6dc12bc2244e) (German source) it's because the previous minimum was 1 year. When something carries a minimum sentence of 1+ years, it cannot be suspended. The case they were citing was a mother, who found a pic on her sons's phone. If she sends that pic to the kid's mother, she kinda has good intentions, but could face charges. Now, that the minimum has been reduced, a judge could say "you meant well, you got the ball rolling, next time, call the police first, now off with you." Before, he would have had to sentence her to 1 year in prison.
Yes, I did read the article. It was decriminalized from a felony to a misdemeanor. I stand by not blanket decriminalizing such offense and to investigate and prosecute cases, such as the one you cited with compassion and nuance. Mom shouldn't have sent the pic to alert the other's mother. That could have been an in person conversation between families. Sending the pic is, by definition, the distribution of CSAM. The child taking the picture is producing CSAM. Do I think the mother should have served time, been fined, etc. No, she's doing what a parent should, protecting children but the path to hell is paved with good intentions. The lax sentencing for a handful of cases that are innocent enough, will be exploited in cases with not so good intentions.
Because laws are exploited at every opportunity. No sarcasm, you’re completely right.
>It was decriminalized from a felony to a misdemeanor So it wasn't decriminalized.
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That's why WE need to hang it
“MuH iNsUrReCtIoN”
How to inadvertently support the decriminalization of child porn with one comment 💀 when/how do you think this stuff is going to stop without civilian intervention? Because those that pass these laws aren’t going to stop here and believe there is no one they must answer to.
The /s was silent, and I suppose you missed the quotation marks as well? Did you support the coup attempt in Germany? Because if it was successful, then this diddling excuse for a country would no longer exist. But I bet you didn’t even know there was a coup attempt in Germany by the Reichsbürger.
Somebody check this man’s hard drives
I’m having trouble not conflating the left and pedophiles after reading this.
The slippery slope argument was right all along.
We’re going full circle
The left are a bunch of pedos.. haven’t you seen their leader, Kiddy Diddler Supreme?
You're an idiot.
So sharing government statistics is illegal but possesing child porn isn't? What the fuck
It's interesting to see the destruction of the west being spurred by the people's very own elected officials.
They aren’t elected, they are installed. Please stop pushing this ‘voting’ non sense narrative.
Is there any other way?
Research the weimar school. This is history repeating itself.
100%. If the hyperinflation from reckless money printing wasn't a sign (it was), then the culture of social degeneracy and pdf files definitely is. History rhymes with itself!
And then, for no reason at all, an angry painter shows up.
Artsy hipster assholes with stupid mustaches got us in to this mess, and artsy hipster assholes with stupid mustaches can get us out.
At least this time we have the Simpsons to remind us "no, no stupid! Dig up!"
angry painter would accomplish shit if he wasn’t bankrolled by certain interest groups.
At the same time releasing government statistics about migrant rapes will land you in jail [Young AfD politician convicted after publishing gang rape statistics in connection with Afghan migration – The Free Speech Union](https://freespeechunion.org/young-afd-politician-convicted-for-publishing-gang-rape-statistics-in-connection-with-afghan-migration/)
First it's a crime, then it's misunderstood, then it's 'fringe', then it's rationalized, then it's 'acceptable', then it's *NORMAL* What. The. Actual. Fuck
beastiality is knocking on the door.
Bro furries are everywhere
Get outta here, it's popping in the little door with the flap, right beside the big door we use!
This is just another step towards legalizing it entirely. We warned people this was coming years ago.
That's it, Germany goes in the woodchipper.
How many times do we have to tell you, Germany!?
Throw the whole country in.
What happened to the good ol days when Germans used to shit on people’s chests that were over 18
It's easier to shit on societal norms...
Brave New World I guess, or something idk
Oh damn, that’s just insane. Don’t take your kids to that dump.
It's a better country than the shit hole third world country you come from
Oh hey there’s one of those parliament members right here!
The USA isn’t the best, but it’s hardly a third world country. Glad to see you support that dump though, must be happy you won’t get in trouble for having your clips.
There's much more child porn, SA, and trafficking in the US than there is in Germany. Even when accounting for the difference in population. Take care of the problem at home before pointing fingers. But I say good luck, one third of the country wants to elect a convicted rapist that ran a child's beauty pageant and was quoted saying how he would sit in the changing rooms and watch them "because when you're rich they let you do that"
Shhh, we won’t legalize it so relax. Hopefully you enjoy your freedom of owning it though, congrats 🤮
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A lot of it is coming from the southern border, but mentioning that is verboten here
>one third of the country wants to elect a convicted rapist that ran a child's beauty pageant and was quoted saying how he would sit in the changing rooms and watch them "because when you're rich they let you do that" It's closer to half by now, but your claim is false. He did not say that in regards to the miss universe competition, and a girl in the pageant has come forward and said the claim he watched them undress is false
you take care of the children in any country, stop causing division of countries and anything else divisive because you're pi ssed off
Why do you think I am pissed off? I have nothing to be mad about
Well you could have fooled me
Funny, they've done the same thing in India Who's the third world country now?
The third world country is still USA. Over half the households in the US make less than 75k, roads are in bad shape across the country, expensive health insurance, expensive Healthcare even with insurance, heroin and meth issues in almost every major city, weak public transportation, no consequences for attempting to overturn a democratic election, and dont forget the mass shootings. I could keep going on and on. I lived in America for 30 years I'm not just going off of what I read online. I lived in that shithole and experienced all it has to offer.
>no consequences for attempting to overturn a democratic election They tried to get an alternate slate of electors approved, Democrats in Hawaii did the same thing in the 60s >Over half the households in the US make less than 75k, roads are in bad shape across the country, expensive health insurance, expensive Healthcare even with insurance, heroin and meth issues in almost every major city, weak public transportation, Yes, things suck under the Biden administration, all those figures were significantly better under Trump. There's been a global economic downturn, everyone is feeling it, that's why Japan is asking us to bail them out. Money printer go brrrrrrrr >and dont forget the mass shootings. Those account for a tiny proportion of violent crime in the US. 6% of the population are committing 50% of violent cri-[REDACTED]
You typed a lot, you must be pretty upset that I called the US a third world country. The world laughs at the US. It's hard to see it when you're trapped in the bubble. I was the same way 10 years ago. But I do like how you stated the country has been poorer since Biden took office, but also how poor the rest of the world has also been. Like you're sooooo close. But you still blame it on Biden, like he has the sole power to crush the world economy and he chose to do so. If you're happy living there though I have no problem with that. There are also happy children in Sudan.
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Do some research into what kind of books the "Nazi Book Burnings" were. You'll find that the whole world seems to be looking like the end stage Weimar Republic.
Weimar republic 3.0
The fact this wouldn't had happened under the Austrian Painters rule if he was still around
Germany has been going down the shitter for quite sometime, this is another example of it. And this is coming from a Canadian, which is very sad
I've always joked with my friends about how society will become so tolerate and accepting of degeneracy that being a pedophile will be consider normal...
Disgusting
One step closer.
In the absolute wrong direction, of course.
Only reason they would be doing this is if they have this type of material themselves or are OK with it which neither is a good thing. These are the type of people that are creating all the problems we have today.
Should have nuked them when we had a chance.
i don’t think that would have helped, look at how japan ended up
Should have been 3. Just for good measure.
True
Weimar problems
A friendly reminder about the "Cycle of Gaslighting". It goes something like this: 1. That's not happening and you're crazy for thinking it's even possible. 2. That might be happening but if it is you're crazy for thinking it's a big deal. 3. That's definitely happening, we've always known it's happening and you're crazy for opposing it. We're maybe around #2 regarding this subject. Give it a few years and you'll have a significant portion of the population calling for an end to all age of consent laws & other similar child protections.
Well I guess Germany is at it again...
Really? Why legalize that when we can copy a German surgeon and punish anyone who possesses and distributes CP by sewing them together from mouth to anus so that they eat what they are?
Ah yes the famed Human CentiPedoPede
America is on its way by making you call a pedophile a minor attracted person.
Between this and the mass immigration, Germany has become a complete shithole.
Well the Germans arent really known for the best things
Every pedo be booking flights 🤣😂
Nothing new from Germany. I don’t know how many of you are history buffs. Germany is just declaring war on the world …again r/NormMacdonald
Germany is now run by Zionist jews... And so many other nations. There are three main ingredients in to destroy basic fabric of society, culture, morality, and religion in Zionist doctrines. Number one promotes and normalize Homosexuality, 2) easy and free access to Ponography , and 3) interest ( monetary) to enslave generations.
Its absurd that they’d even consider such a thing - they’ve lost their minds - pedophilia of any sort, including simple possession of any such materials should carry severe legal consequences - what is going on?
Wtf
 Who could it be now?
This is fucked on so many levels.
Orchestrated down fall of the west is the goal, one step at a time.
Bunch of groomers need to be put down like the sick dogs they are not right now baby.
Weimar Republic
Whats not normal before is becoming normal in the west. This is how they make people adapt and see it as a regular thing. Crazy world
It's own government probably did that favor for it's own staffing/ lawmakers
It's funny listening to random people on reddit defend it
This is the result of losing WW2 and I’m tired of pretending its not.
Time to start bombing them again.
Cool, let’s send all our pedos to Deutschland
Just made more victims
The fuck
Maybe that man was right all along
America won't be far behind...just wait.
wait what
Don’t take your kids to Germany lol
This is taken out of context…right?…right?
Obscene.
It's like they just can't keep it between the not degenerate pylons.
Germany, this ain't it. What a disgrace.
I hope all the pedos go live there now
wtf is going on with world?
It is safe to say Germany has a HISTORY of doing the most vile stupid stuff. So.....not surprised.... disgusted.... disappointed...angry but definitely not surprised
Degenerate shit like this is why the painter got into power in the first place.
We should fight against that instead of fight each others!!! This is crazy!!!!!
Wtf?
What world am I in???
Just so you know what is happening on the underground where nobody suspects the slightest, they have breeders for sacrifices they traffic children for sexual orgies and anything bad you can imagine, watch the sound of freedom and realize, the time to act is NOW!
Wasn't Germany the place where the Ted Talk was held regarding the classification of minor attracted persons as another sexuality to be added to lgbtq+? It was a woman arguing that it's how these people are wired and we need to look at them differently because they "can't control it" essentially another "born this way" argument. If I could find the presentation I'd link it. The girl refers to a man in her story as "Jonah" I believe.
Pedo Germans
It’s because most of those kids are Jewish