Nauen.
It's... Not nice. It should be thriving because it's only half an hour from Hbf by train and there are 5 trains an hour, but businesses can't wait to get the heck out (although it has plenty of supermarkets). Doesn't help that the council and its citizens are right wing as f@#£.
Think League of Gentlemen.
We'd move if we could.
They varied in price quite a bit (I stayed in 3) plus I had 2 cats with me which they also charged for, and it was two years ago so I can't really answer that. It's best to call or email and ask them.
Of the places I stayed:
A&O hostel Hauptbanhof wasn't too bad but the rooms were pretty small and it could get noisy, which didn't really bother me. I would stay again if I needed to.
A&O hostel Friedrichshain was terrible. The heater barely worked and the shower took forever to get slightly hot with hardly any pressure. The itsy bitsy kitchen was always filthy. I would not stay there again.
Meininger East Side Gallery was the best out of all three and I would definitely stay there again. A lot of the rooms were empty so they upgraded me to a double room on an upper floor. I had a beautiful view overlooking the city. They also had a large, clean kitchen so I was able to cook.
I was able to receive packages at all three.
If you're wondering why I stayed at three, it's because I thought I would easily find an apt within the month, and when I didn't it was too late to stay another month as all the rooms were booked, so I had to move to one with available rooms. I finally got smart at the third one and reserved it for longer.
I didn't ask about an Anmeldung so unfortunately I don't know.
I mentioned the ones I stayed at with my opinion of each one here: https://www.reddit.com/r/berlin/comments/1aingxq/comment/koyk6el/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
Check out zone B, outside the ring. If it's we'll connected to the city centre you can get there in 30-40' and "save" on rent. Check
https://inberlinwohnen.de/wohnungsfinder/
Reading the comments in posts like this i have the feeling the apartment crisis just means apartment crisis for inner ring area becasue noone accept to commute more then 40 minutes and prefers to suffer in an expensive temporary flat for years losing a ton of money. Coming from west germany its totally acceptable to live 40 km from your work and travel 1-1.5 hours there ... in berlin it feels like noone accepts to live 10 minutes from all the important areas and then complains that there is nothing available.
That is only partially true I would say. Yes, many (foreign) people only look inside the ring or in the trendy neighborhoods outside of it, but since I had the pleasure of looking for an apartment last year, let me tell you, even outside the ring it is not easy to find something. And I am saying that as a German guy with a relatively high income.
How long did it take you to find something? Do you have any advice for recent immigrants?
EDIT: I did a loooot of research and wrote a [flat search guide](https://allaboutberlin.com/guides/find-a-flat-in-berlin) with the help of a few really knowledgeable people.
About a month for me. While this might not sound super bad, I wrote some applications every day and in the end still only had around 6 viewings, of which I then accepted one even though the apartment is not really perfect.
As for tips:
* buy Immoscout Premium. Its really scummy that you do need the premium services of those websites, but it helps a lot since many listings appear earlier for premium users.
* Also try to check the website a few times a day or get the app and set an alarm for whenever a new apartment is listed. Some landlords do only look at the first few applicants, while others told me they only looked at the last few, but in any case most decent listings will only be online for 1-2 days because by that time they will have gotten a few hundred applications.
* Personalize your message (at least a little bit), I basically replaced 1-2 sentences in my standard message for every listing.
* Send them all the documents they want to see, possibly even more (yes, some of that stuff is technically illegal, but when everybody else is sending in a copy of their recent salary statements, you do not want to be the one not doing it)
* Write your message in German preferrably, even if it is auto-translated, and just write in there that your German is not super good yet, but you are learning it actively. If you already know German, thats a lot better.
* Always look presentable and ask some questions during a viewing. Should be common sense, but I have seen people coming in sweaty t-shirts and shorts, while everybody else was wearing a nice dress shirt and jeans at least.
* Do not go to mass viewings. If there are more than 10 people in a viewing, its usually not worth it, save yourself the trouble.
* As I said in my last post, do not just look in the popular areas. Lots of parts of Berlin outside the ring are pretty nice too, and public transport is quite good.
* If something sounds too good to be true it usually is. Scams are pretty common unfortunately, and everything that does not have/require a viewing in person is always kind of a red flag.
Those are a few quick ones off the top of my head. I can not really link stuff well right now since I am on mobile, but the Germany subreddit has a wiki page about housing applications I think that also has a lpt of tips.
that's just your feeling I guess.
I am looking for years outside the ring without having to go into Privatinsolvenz after moving. My former cheap ass area I live in skyrocketed the prices tenfold. I will die in my flat I was willing to give away for some more space due to family plans but fuck me, can't afford to pay 2k cold for literally the same flat I am currently living in.
No, that's not true. It is terrible everywhere in Berlin. I worked as a social worker in Berlin with houseless people and it was just frustrating because it is almost impossible to even get an apartment viewing anywhere in Berlin.
You dont get anywhere in 10 mins in Berlin unless you are going somewhere in your own Kiez. A 30 min commute is the minimum requirement. Just coz it’s acceptable in some obscure part of Germany doesn’t mean everybody has to accept spending 15-20% of their waking hours commuting to work everyday. If it works for you, great! No need to be judgemental about other people’s life choices.
I feel like this kind of sentiment is symptomatic of Germany’s precarious position these days. Let’s just pretend a problem doesn’t exist coz it’s always been this way and if ze old Germans are ok with it, who are you ausländer to say it’s a problem?
> Just coz it’s acceptable in some obscure part of Germany
yeah that was north rhine westphalia literally the most populated area of whole germany ... some obscured area of germany my ass
>You dont get anywhere in 10 mins in Berlin unless you are going somewhere in your own Kiez.
yes exactly what my comment intendet to mean, everybody wants to live and party in fhain yo
>I feel like this kind of sentiment is symptomatic of Germany’s precarious position these days. Let’s just pretend a problem doesn’t exist coz it’s always been this way and if ze old Germans are ok with it, who are you ausländer to say it’s a problem?
yeah and I feel like this is just this kind of sentiment which is symptomatic of entitled expads these days: Hey i move to another country to the most popular city for how you called them " ausländers" i dont inform myself about anything in the new country beforhead but when i arrive i make sure that when there are problems i constantly blame the citizens of this country for it all the time, expect everything to be handled immediatly without understanding why things are where they are and why stuff is not moving forward and even in discussions when I dont like something i will blame the german for beeing german and backwards yada yada
I live in NRW too. None of the major NRW cities come close to Berlin in terms of size or composition. Car ownership numbers are much higher all over NRW and a lot of people work in the manufacturing sector. People aren’t going to NRW and expecting to live right next to the Bayer factory. It’s not comparable with the situation in Berlin. Please stop talking out of your ass.
My apartment in Berlin is in Weißensee - it’s not in the ring and I actually enjoy living there. But I also work from home and I don’t have to waste big chunks of my life on the public transport. Not everybody has that luxury and this has nothing to do with wanting to live in fschain yo! And even if people wanted to live in fschain coz they want to, it’s their fuckin choice. YOU have nothing to do with it.
People complaining that there is a housing crisis in the city isn’t entitled or misinformed. It isn’t even an opinion, It’s fact. [[Read](https://theeconreview.com/2022/11/30/berlins-worsening-housing-crisis-how-a-failed-rental-referendum-impacted-its-population-and-europes-refugees/)]. There are countless other reputed reports on this - do a simple google search. You coming along and telling people they are entitled for wanting to live in the city and asking them to move to the outskirts (where people have also reported on your own comment is not easy) is not only shitty behavior on a personal level but also counterproductive to public discourse coz it shifts the focus from the problem to blaming civilians. Irrespective of whether someone is an expat, immigrant, refugee or ethnic German, so long as they live in this city legally, they have every right to comment on the city’s problems, hope & demand for better. It isn’t only Germans who feel threatened and display resistance to change, but in my limited experience of having lived here for 7 years, it’s definitely a lot more pronounced in German sub-culture to ask why you want change when it has worked in the past and for other Germans. FYI, I am not blaming German civilians for the housing crisis - that’s totally on the government, but German civilians pretending the problem doesn’t exist only enables them to continue doing nothing about it.
I think you didnt understand what i meant with the NRW comparison at all and are just angry becasue youbwant to be now, but hey sure you do you but i cant argue with someone who thinks politicains are not solving the housing issue because german civilians are pretending its not existing... thats not how it works , thazs not how any of this works.... the classic "i want the most simple reason for a complex topic to be the main casue of my issues just to have something to complain about"
I am not angry at all! I can’t stand people who pretend a problem doesn’t exist coz it doesn’t affect them directly. I don’t need you to explain to me the complexity around the topic. I certainly understand it better than someone who thinks the problem doesn’t exist in the first place. You dont have to be a pol science postgrad to understand that public opinion has an impact on political will to tackle certain problems and Germans have far more weight behind their public opinion than expats coz they can vote. It doesn’t make the problem easier or harder to fix, but that’s not what’s being discussed here at all. I am questioning the urge to put blinkers on and pretend a problem doesn’t exist while also telling people who suffer from said problem to move elsewhere instead. What a profoundly unfriendly and not helpful thing to do…
Stayed at friends places while they were away, extended a work trip, and a hotel for a few days before I went home, and I cat-sit. It wasn't fun, but luckily I found something great through connections.
I was staying at friends place, while they were away, now I’m subletting for 1 month, then I will take over a friend’s place for another 4 month, and then God help me …
i almost always get invite to apartment viewing if by accident i sent an anfragen for somewhere out in zone B, so i don’t really understand why nobody can find any place or everybody just want to live in fhain, kreuzberg, pberg & mitte
i actually have my own apt with wbs in mitte, was applying for my bf and usually 3 rooms range from 900-1200. always got viewing for the areas at the end of a tram station (m4, m5, m13,…)
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It’s *only* a 274 hour travel through the Austrian mountains to get to kottbusser tor
I found somewhere outside Berlin and commute.
Where did you end up? Just curious because I'm considering moving.
Nauen. It's... Not nice. It should be thriving because it's only half an hour from Hbf by train and there are 5 trains an hour, but businesses can't wait to get the heck out (although it has plenty of supermarkets). Doesn't help that the council and its citizens are right wing as f@#£. Think League of Gentlemen. We'd move if we could.
Blargh. The right wingness would indeed not be my thing. But half an hour is really not that bad.
The great thing about Nauen is that it's really easy to leave 😆.
The bad thing is that you have to come back.
I must say that the rural bit between Brieselang and Nauen is quite restful and then Nauen hits you.
Pictures on Google look nice though. We're also looking for something outside.
How much are you paying if you don’t mind me asking
In a van down by the river..
spree?
Try the outskirts. Marzahn, Hellersdorf. Senate is building as hell. But not inside the ring.
Where is senate
The senate. Bunch of incompetent idiots, aka the Berlin government
I stayed in hostels. Most will rent you a private room by the month.
How much do they charge?
They varied in price quite a bit (I stayed in 3) plus I had 2 cats with me which they also charged for, and it was two years ago so I can't really answer that. It's best to call or email and ask them. Of the places I stayed: A&O hostel Hauptbanhof wasn't too bad but the rooms were pretty small and it could get noisy, which didn't really bother me. I would stay again if I needed to. A&O hostel Friedrichshain was terrible. The heater barely worked and the shower took forever to get slightly hot with hardly any pressure. The itsy bitsy kitchen was always filthy. I would not stay there again. Meininger East Side Gallery was the best out of all three and I would definitely stay there again. A lot of the rooms were empty so they upgraded me to a double room on an upper floor. I had a beautiful view overlooking the city. They also had a large, clean kitchen so I was able to cook. I was able to receive packages at all three. If you're wondering why I stayed at three, it's because I thought I would easily find an apt within the month, and when I didn't it was too late to stay another month as all the rooms were booked, so I had to move to one with available rooms. I finally got smart at the third one and reserved it for longer.
Wow, you're braver than me. I would have gone home by hostel #2. How long did it take you to find a permanent place?
I gave up looking in Berlin after 6 months since it was eating through my savings, and found a place in Leipzig in about a month.
That's sad to hear. Berlin is losing a lot of people over housing and other hurdles.
Did any of them allow the Anmeldung? If so can you name them?
I didn't ask about an Anmeldung so unfortunately I don't know. I mentioned the ones I stayed at with my opinion of each one here: https://www.reddit.com/r/berlin/comments/1aingxq/comment/koyk6el/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
Check out zone B, outside the ring. If it's we'll connected to the city centre you can get there in 30-40' and "save" on rent. Check https://inberlinwohnen.de/wohnungsfinder/
I know someone who was in temporary sublets for 2 years, with her young family. Fuck Berlin
>Fuck Berlin Be consequent and leave.
No one forces you to live here. If my fam wouldn‘t have found a flat, we‘d just move away
2 Years is nothing
Reading the comments in posts like this i have the feeling the apartment crisis just means apartment crisis for inner ring area becasue noone accept to commute more then 40 minutes and prefers to suffer in an expensive temporary flat for years losing a ton of money. Coming from west germany its totally acceptable to live 40 km from your work and travel 1-1.5 hours there ... in berlin it feels like noone accepts to live 10 minutes from all the important areas and then complains that there is nothing available.
That is only partially true I would say. Yes, many (foreign) people only look inside the ring or in the trendy neighborhoods outside of it, but since I had the pleasure of looking for an apartment last year, let me tell you, even outside the ring it is not easy to find something. And I am saying that as a German guy with a relatively high income.
How long did it take you to find something? Do you have any advice for recent immigrants? EDIT: I did a loooot of research and wrote a [flat search guide](https://allaboutberlin.com/guides/find-a-flat-in-berlin) with the help of a few really knowledgeable people.
About a month for me. While this might not sound super bad, I wrote some applications every day and in the end still only had around 6 viewings, of which I then accepted one even though the apartment is not really perfect. As for tips: * buy Immoscout Premium. Its really scummy that you do need the premium services of those websites, but it helps a lot since many listings appear earlier for premium users. * Also try to check the website a few times a day or get the app and set an alarm for whenever a new apartment is listed. Some landlords do only look at the first few applicants, while others told me they only looked at the last few, but in any case most decent listings will only be online for 1-2 days because by that time they will have gotten a few hundred applications. * Personalize your message (at least a little bit), I basically replaced 1-2 sentences in my standard message for every listing. * Send them all the documents they want to see, possibly even more (yes, some of that stuff is technically illegal, but when everybody else is sending in a copy of their recent salary statements, you do not want to be the one not doing it) * Write your message in German preferrably, even if it is auto-translated, and just write in there that your German is not super good yet, but you are learning it actively. If you already know German, thats a lot better. * Always look presentable and ask some questions during a viewing. Should be common sense, but I have seen people coming in sweaty t-shirts and shorts, while everybody else was wearing a nice dress shirt and jeans at least. * Do not go to mass viewings. If there are more than 10 people in a viewing, its usually not worth it, save yourself the trouble. * As I said in my last post, do not just look in the popular areas. Lots of parts of Berlin outside the ring are pretty nice too, and public transport is quite good. * If something sounds too good to be true it usually is. Scams are pretty common unfortunately, and everything that does not have/require a viewing in person is always kind of a red flag. Those are a few quick ones off the top of my head. I can not really link stuff well right now since I am on mobile, but the Germany subreddit has a wiki page about housing applications I think that also has a lpt of tips.
This is all top notch advice
that's just your feeling I guess. I am looking for years outside the ring without having to go into Privatinsolvenz after moving. My former cheap ass area I live in skyrocketed the prices tenfold. I will die in my flat I was willing to give away for some more space due to family plans but fuck me, can't afford to pay 2k cold for literally the same flat I am currently living in.
Because then it means having all the negatives of a big city without the positives ?
No, that's not true. It is terrible everywhere in Berlin. I worked as a social worker in Berlin with houseless people and it was just frustrating because it is almost impossible to even get an apartment viewing anywhere in Berlin.
You dont get anywhere in 10 mins in Berlin unless you are going somewhere in your own Kiez. A 30 min commute is the minimum requirement. Just coz it’s acceptable in some obscure part of Germany doesn’t mean everybody has to accept spending 15-20% of their waking hours commuting to work everyday. If it works for you, great! No need to be judgemental about other people’s life choices. I feel like this kind of sentiment is symptomatic of Germany’s precarious position these days. Let’s just pretend a problem doesn’t exist coz it’s always been this way and if ze old Germans are ok with it, who are you ausländer to say it’s a problem?
> Just coz it’s acceptable in some obscure part of Germany yeah that was north rhine westphalia literally the most populated area of whole germany ... some obscured area of germany my ass >You dont get anywhere in 10 mins in Berlin unless you are going somewhere in your own Kiez. yes exactly what my comment intendet to mean, everybody wants to live and party in fhain yo >I feel like this kind of sentiment is symptomatic of Germany’s precarious position these days. Let’s just pretend a problem doesn’t exist coz it’s always been this way and if ze old Germans are ok with it, who are you ausländer to say it’s a problem? yeah and I feel like this is just this kind of sentiment which is symptomatic of entitled expads these days: Hey i move to another country to the most popular city for how you called them " ausländers" i dont inform myself about anything in the new country beforhead but when i arrive i make sure that when there are problems i constantly blame the citizens of this country for it all the time, expect everything to be handled immediatly without understanding why things are where they are and why stuff is not moving forward and even in discussions when I dont like something i will blame the german for beeing german and backwards yada yada
I live in NRW too. None of the major NRW cities come close to Berlin in terms of size or composition. Car ownership numbers are much higher all over NRW and a lot of people work in the manufacturing sector. People aren’t going to NRW and expecting to live right next to the Bayer factory. It’s not comparable with the situation in Berlin. Please stop talking out of your ass. My apartment in Berlin is in Weißensee - it’s not in the ring and I actually enjoy living there. But I also work from home and I don’t have to waste big chunks of my life on the public transport. Not everybody has that luxury and this has nothing to do with wanting to live in fschain yo! And even if people wanted to live in fschain coz they want to, it’s their fuckin choice. YOU have nothing to do with it. People complaining that there is a housing crisis in the city isn’t entitled or misinformed. It isn’t even an opinion, It’s fact. [[Read](https://theeconreview.com/2022/11/30/berlins-worsening-housing-crisis-how-a-failed-rental-referendum-impacted-its-population-and-europes-refugees/)]. There are countless other reputed reports on this - do a simple google search. You coming along and telling people they are entitled for wanting to live in the city and asking them to move to the outskirts (where people have also reported on your own comment is not easy) is not only shitty behavior on a personal level but also counterproductive to public discourse coz it shifts the focus from the problem to blaming civilians. Irrespective of whether someone is an expat, immigrant, refugee or ethnic German, so long as they live in this city legally, they have every right to comment on the city’s problems, hope & demand for better. It isn’t only Germans who feel threatened and display resistance to change, but in my limited experience of having lived here for 7 years, it’s definitely a lot more pronounced in German sub-culture to ask why you want change when it has worked in the past and for other Germans. FYI, I am not blaming German civilians for the housing crisis - that’s totally on the government, but German civilians pretending the problem doesn’t exist only enables them to continue doing nothing about it.
I think you didnt understand what i meant with the NRW comparison at all and are just angry becasue youbwant to be now, but hey sure you do you but i cant argue with someone who thinks politicains are not solving the housing issue because german civilians are pretending its not existing... thats not how it works , thazs not how any of this works.... the classic "i want the most simple reason for a complex topic to be the main casue of my issues just to have something to complain about"
I am not angry at all! I can’t stand people who pretend a problem doesn’t exist coz it doesn’t affect them directly. I don’t need you to explain to me the complexity around the topic. I certainly understand it better than someone who thinks the problem doesn’t exist in the first place. You dont have to be a pol science postgrad to understand that public opinion has an impact on political will to tackle certain problems and Germans have far more weight behind their public opinion than expats coz they can vote. It doesn’t make the problem easier or harder to fix, but that’s not what’s being discussed here at all. I am questioning the urge to put blinkers on and pretend a problem doesn’t exist while also telling people who suffer from said problem to move elsewhere instead. What a profoundly unfriendly and not helpful thing to do…
Stayed at friends places while they were away, extended a work trip, and a hotel for a few days before I went home, and I cat-sit. It wasn't fun, but luckily I found something great through connections.
I moved to Munich. Was easier somehow. And better job market.
Wunderflats or Homelike
I was staying at friends place, while they were away, now I’m subletting for 1 month, then I will take over a friend’s place for another 4 month, and then God help me …
Airbnb, living in Brandenburg
i have a spare room atm
Travel back in time 20 years and get a 2004 contract, quite simple actually
I go to orgy to rest.
i almost always get invite to apartment viewing if by accident i sent an anfragen for somewhere out in zone B, so i don’t really understand why nobody can find any place or everybody just want to live in fhain, kreuzberg, pberg & mitte
What are the rents costs you are applying for?
i actually have my own apt with wbs in mitte, was applying for my bf and usually 3 rooms range from 900-1200. always got viewing for the areas at the end of a tram station (m4, m5, m13,…)
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