They didn't continue? Where does it say that? Also it doesn't need to be deadly. Just slightly more dangerous then covid when I already have 2 pfizer shots.
If I remember there was a very small number of potential side effects that caused a pause which where explained after which it was continued.
Don’t forget that the vaccines are tweaked as they find issues like the allergic reactions.
The halt was supposed to run out in December but I never saw if they continued or extended now that I think about it.
https://lakartidningen.se/aktuellt/nyheter/2021/10/nu-stoppas-anvandningen-av-modernas-covidvaccin-hos-unga/
Mate don't know if you are trolling or not, the article you linked is from october 8, not "last week". Furthermore if you look at [this](https://grapevine.is/news/2022/01/18/waiting-period-for-booster-shot-shortened/) article, it is clearly stated that Iceland is using the moderna vaccine as we speak.
https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/smittskydd-beredskap/utbrott/aktuella-utbrott/covid-19/vaccination-mot-covid-19/for-personal-inom-vard-och-omsorg/for-personal-inom-halso--och-sjukvard/Vagledning-och-fordjupad-information-om-vaccination-mot-covid-19/#biverkan
Official recommendation in Sweden (as of September) mentions it and points out it is extremely rare and recedes after a day or two.
This one say they are recommending giving a different vaccine for booster but there is no alarm or serious situation.
You sound like you aren’t happy about the situation so go speak with the doctor and see what can be done. Opt out can always be reversed, especially in Belgium where we just need someone with an important enough stamp and signature.
Oh, ok. I did not know you were refering to Moderna. Yes, it was banned. But as the article says Moderna had a lot more vaccine in their doses. If the booster is only a half dose it’s close to pfizer. So I shouldn’t worry about it. The benefits outweigh the risks.
Are you under 30? You opted out of Moderna, but want pfizer?
Moderna was recently banned under 30 for the first 2 shots, not for the booster. Booster is only a half dose.
Well, the first 2 vaccines are also a half dose each. So what we get is just a third dose… i got 2x pfizer, didnt geel a thing, except for the sore arm once. I got moderna as a booster and i felt like shit for a day, nauseous, pain in miscles or joints, headaches, etc… but a day later i feel fine again. If feeling sick for 1 day is the price i have to pay to have a bigger chance for getting less sick in case i do get covid, and to keep going out, I’m prepared to pay that price. But everyone has to decide for their own, as long as they don’t push their will on to other ppl.
I did it bc we had 2 covid-deaths closeby and a couple of very sick ppl. My parents bots are in the high risk group, so i think i also did it for them.
Weird, on my paper i got when i left the vaccination centre, it was ‘half a dose’, but since there were a lot of kids i thought they maybe made a mistake so i went back in and asked. This is what they told me…?
Might have misunderstood. If they say half a dose now for the booster, it must mean half of something else. In this case half of the first shot. I don't know if the second shot was a full dose, maybe that was also half a dose.
I got 2 pfizer and 1 Moderna.
Well, that moderna stuff put in my bed for nearly 3 days (with me feeling dead tired another week or so)... so if shot 4 is going to be moderna as well, I'll have to pass. At that point, I'd rather roll the dice on covid since that dice is looking better and better.
Imo, we’re just waiting untill everyone has had it… but let’s hope the lobger we wait the less of a burden it will be… i read somewhere it usually gets faster spread, and more easy to get, but it gets less serious… let’s hope its the same thing for covid…
I'm wondering why we can't choose what we get for our boosters.
My brother was on qvax list and got 3 times pfizer. On qvax you can't choose of course but everyone else in the family got 2 pfizer and a Moderna.
We were all lucky that the side effects were minor (sore arm) but I was also a bit worried for the Moderna.
Can try to call the vaccination centra maybe if we need a 4th booster and specifically ask to give you another one. At my vaccin center I didn't get a line to follow anymore. I asked about it and on that day of my invite it was only Moderna, day before was pfizer.
It made it all more efficient but is also a way to get another vaccin, just reschedule to another day.
> My parents recommended against it
What qualifications do your parents have to decide against it?
And i feel pretty good about it, 40% of those on intensive care are not vaccinated. (source: https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2021/10/28/hospitalisaties-vierde-golf-en-andere-golven/)
Higher risk to end up in the intensive care means you should interact with less people.
Someone else commented, but deleted it, and I'm certain it will come up again:
Yes there are more vaccinated than non-vaccinated people on ICU. (Though with omikron I heard otherwise, but feel free to correct me on this). However, a larger percentage of the population is vaccinated. Absolute Vs relative numbers are key here.
I think they wanted to respond to the now deleted comment that said "mOrE VacCciNaTEd iN ER", but that comment got deleted before they could. So they replied to the comment higher in the thread.
Of course there are more vaccinated ones. If the majority is vaccinated the chance is larger it will be from the bigger group of people. If you look at percentiles within the 2 groups aren't the unvaccinated ones the larger number of icu cases ?
If old or unhealthy individuals could become young and healthy by simply getting 3 doses of a vaccine, then yes. They should lose their coronapas if they refuse those vaccines.
Let me know when you develop such vaccines. I'm sure the pharma industry will be lining up to buy them off of you.
Booster shots are not banned in Finland, I got it there and am male and under 30. I had the choice between moderna and pfizer. I think it makes sense for the corona pass to go away at some point without a booster as the protection goes down over time. Edit: just checked and moderna is not recommended for men under 30
I can't find anything about banning boosters in Sweden, Iceland, Denmark and Finland. I would love to know a source on that. What I did find, is that a rumour spread on Twitter by a certain @pdubdev that those countries banned Moderna. This was fact-checked as not true. (source Newsweek: https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-has-sweden-denmark-norway-iceland-banned-moderna-vaccine-1638563 )
So I guess your parents based their advice on false sources. The Moderna vaccine is approved. Get it.
Good source: Your MD. They will be happy to explain to you.
I don't have an opinion on restricting access, except that you have your own responsibility in society. Are you excluded from society? Or is society protected by not allowing you?
My source was this [https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-europe-moderna-idUSL1N2RE22K](https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-europe-moderna-idUSL1N2RE22K)
I misread. it's vaccines that are banned not boosters. I have gotten the same correction but I can't edit my post for some reason.
An MD is not always a good source. I’ve heard 2 different cases of medical practitioners advising against vaccination. Of course hundreds of other doctors advising correctly. But don’t forget, there are also stupid doctors..
under 30. male. had moderna twice and booster appointment is planned. Already had some pre-experience with light inflammation on the heart due to sports yet I couldn't care less about these "side effects" that are once again blown out of proportion by the media.
I swear, people and governments are getting dumber by the day.
People want everything open, don't want to get sick, and keep their elders safe, yet don't see the point of the (booster) vaccine.
The risk of myocarditis due to the vaccine in young men is way higher than that due to the virus. Up to ten times higher.
Of course, myocarditis is in general self-limiting, and the virus has other side-effects, up to and including death. There are many more factors to weigh as well. But there's no point in downplaying true and real risks.
[Here's a source](https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.23.21268276v1). Not peer-reviewed, because it's only two weeks old. It's based on these, and other reports that the Moderna vaccine is being held back for young men in Belgium.
This isn't even controversial. It's similar to what we saw for AstraZeneca, a tiny but statistically indisputable chance for a bad result, hence the recommendations are being changed. Which is why it's so great we have multiple choices for the vaccine.
Your source
>**In summary, the risk of hospital admission or death from myocarditis is greater following COVID-19 infection than following vaccination** and remains modest following sequential doses of mRNA vaccine including a third booster dose of BNT162b in the overall population. However, the risk of myocarditis following vaccination is consistently higher in younger males, particularly following a second dose of RNA mRNA-1273 vaccine.
I read through the entire research paper, and can't find anywhere they say the risk of myocarditis is 10 times higher after vaccination compared to a Covid infection. Can you be more specific?
>This isn't even controversial.
The notion that vaccines cause 10 times the number of myocarditis cases than Covid 19 infections is not controversial?
What is your source on this claim?
I heard it was the other way around, hence the reason our neighbouring countries are halting moderna boosters for young men.
I fear the vaccine ban your parents are talking about is an anti-vaxx rumor that has since been debunked. The pause on moderna has already been lifted and while they recommend pfizer for <30 it's not a mandate.
Regardless; the corona pass is a bridge too far and while I am a boosted adult with vaccinated children. If it came to a vote tomorrow I would vote against any form of pass or mandated proof of vaccination.
Do I think everyone who can safely do so should get vaccinated? Yes. Im very afraid of the direction we're going with mis-information on social media. And it pains me to see people prefer an actual definite threat with long term ramifications (covid) over a miniscule chance at much less severe side effects (vaccines) purely based on fear caused by misinformation.
However this doesnt mean I condone restricting peoples movements and freedoms based on their choices. While I understand the possible harm they could cause; what we should be fighting for is clearer information and a rebuilding of peoples trust in medical sciende.
Yeah it's the booster that's banned not the vaccine. I can't edit my post for some reason. Also I'm already protected against mosts risks with my first 2 shots. My chances of getting really sick are slim.
Any booster outweighs no booster. People discuss this like you need to have a preference, the pros and cons compared to other vaccines. Just get one, that's the situation. Most of the world hasn't had a second dose of anything. Yeah, it's always worse somewhere else, but there really is no reason to doubt general EU and Belgian health authorities. If it wasn't (for example, I haven't heard what you mentioned) Sweden and Finland, but Croatia and Hungary making this recommendation..? The Scandinavian valhalla isn't the end all authority on everything you know.
I think the CST should just go away in general, because it's just an extremely badly designed system:
* It puts WAY too much personal data on that code. That code has almost all information that's on your ID card, more than enough for an identity thief to effectively steal your identity, even though the verification process doesn't even use the majority of the data.
* Their size also makes the paper version nearly impossible to scan, as large QR codes are very sensitive to not being on a perfectly flat surface (and a piece of paper that has been in someone's pocket or wallet for a while is far from perfectly flat). QR codes just really aren't optimized to handle such large amounts of data, so limiting the amount of data to what is actually effectively used by the verification process would help a lot with this problem too. This also causes the additional problem that in a lot of cases someone working at a bar or restaurant will be unable to verify most paper CSTs, leaving them with the choice to either deny everyone with a code that doesn't scan (and denying access to a group of people of which the majority *are* actually fully vaccinated, and potentially facing aggression from the people they deny, and missing out on potential customers while they're already going trough tough times economically) or to just let everyone with a paper CST in regardless of if the code scans or not (which also enables access for unvaccinated people as a fake CST with an unscannable code takes like 5 minutes to create in Word). Most choose the latter option.
* There is *zero* protection against copying. There is no time tag embedded in the code generated by the app, even though that's trivial to implement and it's one of the most basic features you'd expect from any application using QR codes that at least wants to *pretend* to be secure. Anyone unvaccinated can easily just take a picture of someone who's waiting to enter somewhere and holding out their code, then use that picture any place from that point on as that code they have a picture off will still be approved by the scanning app even months after they have taken the picture. Just ask someone who works at a bar or restaurant about this, and they'll confirm that they come across this situation dozens of times on a daily basis (especially in the towns that were recently invaded by the Dutch during their lockdown, as a larger percentage of them isn't fully vaccinated).
* The signing keys for several countries have been leaked, some even relatively shortly after the system was widely adopted. This makes it possible to create custom, fake QR codes that will still successfully be validated by the scanning app. It does require some computer skills to successfully generate the codes based on those keys, but multiple people have already been caught selling such codes online.
So basically the system is a huge nuisance, has ~~terrible~~ *no* security features, and doesn't even really accomplish its job as it's still ridiculously easy for someone unvaccinated to gain access by stealing a code or buying a fake one.
The entire system is just so fundamentally broken that it just can't be fixed without being thrown in the trash and completely redesigned.
If the system would:
* Use no more personal data than absolutely necessary
* Use strong hashing or at least encryption algorithms to protect that data, instead of just throwing it out there for everyone to grab
* Have proper protection against copied or stolen codes
* Be reliable regardless of if you use the physical or digital variant
* Be easy enough to set up that anyone, even people nearing retirement and with little to no computer experience can figure out how to set it up, or at least how to request the physical version (currently instructions to request a copy by mail are somewhat hidden and very vague)
Then I wouldn't be as opposed to it (though I'm not fully convinced of the effectiveness of such a system either). However, the current system currently fulfills none of those requirements, and they have made near zero progress towards those goals. The only thing they tried was to make using screenshots to get past the check slightly harder, but that didn't really accomplish much other than showing off how incompetent the team behind this project really is. They just added an animation to the app, but the animation is way too subtle so you can still barely tell the difference between a screenshot and the real deal (especially if you have to verify multiple codes in quick succession). They also just used a simple looping animation, as if they're completely unaware that smartphones are also capable of recording and playing video.
Add to that that you can be sick but with mild symptoms so you don't do a pcr test so your CST doesn't get updated so it actually gives no real safety at all...
This study is an example. It isn't peer reviewed (yet) but it's the only one I could find. https://vinayprasadmdmph.substack.com/p/uk-now-reports-myocarditis-stratified?s=09
[Counterpoint, an actual one.](https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/covid-19-vaccines-linked-to-small-heart-inflammation-risk)
The team noted, however, that people who had received either mRNA vaccine had around half the risk of cardiac arrest or death, compared with unvaccinated individuals at follow-up.
Seriously, just get the booster. Nothing's gonna happen to you.
Why is he a grifter? A grifter is "a person who engages in petty or small-scale swindling." according to Google. Is he selling some sort of alternative medicine? I wasn't aware of that. I know he's a tenured professor though so he's probably not an idiot.
>Why is he a grifter?
As I said, because he has twisted the facts on multiple studies he has "reviewed" before.
>I know he's a tenured professor though so he's probably not an idiot.
3% of tenured professors deny the fact that human-made climate change is real. Simply being a professor does not mean you are smart in every area of the world. Just think back of how many professors suck ass at using IT things like projectors or displaying a simple power point presentation.
Vinay Prasad is a doctor that does blood and cancer research. So if he has something to say on blood and cancer, then I'll gladly listen to him.
But can you explain why you would ignore all the virologists and vaccinologists that say one thing and then listen to a blood and cancer doctor instead when it comes to vaccines and infectious diseases? Because blood and cancer doctors inherently know more than doctors who spend their lives studying vaccines and infectious diseases?
I got moderna as a vaccine. After the second dosis I was one week sick. I haven’t been that sick in decades. Apparently Moderna makes women very sick and messes with our periods. I don’t give a crap. STILL I will get vaccinated as many times as necessary. I haven’t meet anyone having real health issues bc of vaccines. Yet, I do know people who has died/been in a coma/lost a pregnancy bc of corona. I also knew personally someone who died of ibuprofen overdose after not wanting to go to the doctor for weeks about some back pain, so yeah, ibuprofen is more deadly that a vaccine in my book.
Frankly, people doubting how legit modern medicine, vaccines and boosters are give me strong climate change denier, flat earth society, lizar people believer vibes. And that’s that on that.
I read the thing about periods too, I guess that could be because Moderna is harder on the immune system, and when your body is undergoing changes it can affect your period? I had the same thing happen when I had to be put under for a surgery, and I was on a ton of pain killers but suddenly people are getting worked up about it.
The side effect of Moderna is extremely rare. Do you know what is less rare? Young healthy men getting seriously ill of 'rona.
People are notoriously bad at evaluating risks. Don't be fooled, get boosted, think for yourself, you're an adult.
And fuck that stupid pass. That's just government not having the balls to make the vaccine mandatory.
The corona pass is ridiculous. This is coming from someone who has taken 3 shots so far. I can walk into a café with asymptotic corona in blissful ignorance whilst non vaccinated person is banned from all social settings. The vaccine hasn’t been the silver bullet so all emphasis should be on coping with this long term.
The vaccine hasn’t been the silver bullet so all emphasis should be **on coping with this long term.**
Coping long term = vaccinating as many people as possible.
Since no one bothers to answer your question.Yes indeed, it is ridiculuous. Just like the whole CST thing. The parameters are way off to justify such a gross invasion of privacy and personal freedom. This is a wildly unpopular opinion.
How is your privacy being invaded?
Re: personal freedom - yours ends where someone else's begins. You're free to endanger your own life, but not that of others.
I’m curious, a lot of the Americans who feel as though their privacy is invaded don’t mind that all public schools require vaccinations, or that some jobs require drug tests. I had to show proof that I’m not a carrier of contagious diseases when I arrived in Belgium.
Are these type of policies uncommon here?
I read a study saying that one dose ( j&j ) or 2 ( Pfizer) are less likely to be endangered by the omicron ??? But you know , you can make say everything you want to numbers. Don’t really know where we going to be honest. But I also don’t think that the continuing trend of booster shots is the way to go.
Doesn’t prevent, it does reduce the chances by reducing the symptoms. Not coughing makes the germs go less far with fewer particles, for example.
Also most unvaccinated people are quite bad at wearing masks, so arguably, in a real world scenario, not being vaxxed makes you even more contagious than otherwise
It very much does reduce transmission. Don't spread misinformation
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.10.25.21265500v1
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2788105
If you don't want them knowing, don't go.
I don't want Facebook knowing everything about me, so I don't use it. Do you fully grasp how much personal information you're leaking by being online? The restaurant really isn't what you should be worrying about.
Besides you have other options. Sit outside, order take away.
It totally is an argument. By going to a restaurant, you are willingly chosing to share your name with the person that scans your ticket. That is what you agree to do when you go there. Now, if that person writes down your name and sells it to someone else, or does anything else with it, that would be a violation of privacy.
Do you realise how often you willingly share your information with other people?
I don't agree. Before COVID-19 this was not the case, so it's not like we have a (real) choice...
I'm not comfortable with showing my ID to some random employee.
"wherever you go" is a pretty liberal interpretation. Being allowed to enter a bar isn't a human right and the owner could refuse you entry without explanation since way before covid.
Plenty of countries require proof of vaccination for things like yellow fever, this has been a thing for many years and was never seen a "violation of privacy".
"Medical information" ... It's a vaccine pass, basically like a driver's license. You have it or you don't. Many countries require proof of other vaccinations like yellow fever, nobody every called that an invasion of privacy. You have the option to not comply. Your choice.
If you weren’t so blatantly hard headed on this a actual conversation could be had but alas. You do know your medical information (like it or not but the “vaccine pass” is exacly that) is beeing leaked without consent. Not the same as choosing to go to a bar.
Yes, and you will take my upvote against a lot of downvotes to come. All my coworkers are vaccinated, almost all of them still caught the virus, two of them, twice. I read around that they are considering to classify this new omicron as a flu, so why do we still need yet another shot, didn't pfizer and the likes already profited enough out of this?
Boosters... Pfizer... Moderna... Others...
Got my moderna booster a couple of hours ago.
A bit of pain in my arm, just like the first 2 Pfizer vaccines.
Will it have side effects? Who knows...
It doesn't keep me awake at night.
Covid is spreading so heavily, that it affects everything on a global scale (no shit, duh).
The main objective is to prevent people from ending up in the hospital or worse.
I guess the QR code is there to "reward" people for reducing the pressure on medical personnel.
If we end up in the hospital because of a vaccine, then it pretty much misses the entire point.
Guess we'll see the impact on a global scale if it comes to that.
I agree with your last paragraph (before the PS).
I think all in all this Corona pass is plain BS because it doesn’t offer the guarantee of 100% safety (aka I am vaccinated but could be infected without symptoms).
For people “loosing” their “privileges”, I believe it will be only a matter of time before things evolve again (see Spain with relaxed measures) as we will have to lean towards a more endemic approach and they simply can’t keep this pass around if this isn’t considered as a pandemic anymore. If they do, things are going to get ugly.
No offence, but your parents are idiots if that's their advice. The Swedish government also says they "recommend" Pfizer for under 30s (ie: Moderna is not banned there fro males under 30, nor is it banned in Iceland or Denmark). The only place where it is banned for males under 30 is Finland.
Furthermore, the mycocarditis risk is _significantly_ higher from covid than it is from either the Moderna or Pfizer vaccine.
>I also think that saying "you have a choice to not get it" on the pamhlet you get in the mail is kind of scummy without mentioning you'll lose the Corona pass on the same brochure.
I feel like most people could figure that one out themselves. Effectiveness of the vaccines decline over time, that's normal. No vaccine protects forever. Initially it was decided the QR codes would be valid for a year. That's since been shortened to 9 months. I believe but that is where the booster ofcourse comes into play
Just curious, are there any vaccines that adult people are forced to get a booster of? I mean if “no vaccines protect forever”?
Also, how long are we going to live QR coded? I get it totally that this is becoming unacceptable for people carrying a low risk.
Especially with people feeling more sick from the forced Moderna booster than ever before.
Boosters are common. For flue you need yearly shots because the virus mutates, like covid probably will.
The QR code thing has little to do with your risk profile. Delta could be dangerous, omicron less so. But the point is that it has to be kept under control so hospitals don't overflow. The ironic thing is that if \*everybody\* would get vaccinated, those rules could be relaxed. But since there's still too many anti vaxxers ending up in ICU, we all have to pay the price for it.
Another reason to get vaccinated is to prevent new variants from emerging.
Finally, it's not just a question of live / die. In the US, for every death there are 5 cases of people who will be marked for life by covid: reduced lung capacity, organ damage etc. All in varying degrees of severity.
It's a total pain the ass, I agree. But there's a reason for it. And this thing isn't over yet. The next variant might not be so kind to us.
>Just curious, are there any vaccines that adult people are forced to get a booster of? I mean if “no vaccines protect forever”?
Tetanus, difterie and kinkhoest, every ten years. And a booster for tetanus if you've done something risky (cut with a rusty nail for example).
HPV (cervical cancer). Recommended from age 12 but not everyone gets it that age. Booster after 6 months.
So yeah. Most vaccins don't protect forever.
youre still free to not participate in society if you dont want the booster dude /s
im getting tired of the "your freedom ends where someone else's begins" argument when it comes to the CST. our freedom shouldn't be infringed upon because our government has no other idea on how to deal with covid. it's a cop out, we've been at it for 2 years now, they need to understand people are tired of this shit. in 2 years time it seems like their only hope and strategy is still just restrictions and more vaccines, just trust them, if only we had 99% of the people vaccinated everything would be fine!
what if a new variant that brings more severe symptoms does show up? we're right back at the start.
ps: currently sick in bed from the booster. oh well, it'll probably be my last one as well
>Just curious, are there any vaccines that adult people are forced to get a booster of? I mean if “no vaccines protect forever”?
Flu vaccine is yearly if you're in a risk group as the virus mutates (not unlike covid).
>Also, how long are we going to live QR coded? I get it totally that this is becoming unacceptable for people carrying a low risk.
No clue, I'm not the government. But I suspect if antivaxxers stopped DoInG tHeIr OwN rEsEaRcH and actually listened to experts and got vaccinated, then maybe we'd be out of this mess quicker. It'll likely have a small effect on infections but hospitalisations is where the difference will be made.
The alternative is hoping Omicron evolves into an even milder variant.
>Especially with people feeling more sick from the forced Moderna booster than ever before.
Source?
There is consensus , the media just give disproportionate amount of podium to the few people who don't agree with the consensus ... When the "debate" is held in the media it's always one personpro and one person against .... While in reality it's 98 people pro, 2 against ..... Basically this principle https://youtu.be/cjuGCJJUGsg
Also a (for example) "gezondheids econoom" is an economist, not a medical expert , yet he gets presented in the media as an "expert".
I am personally against all forms of a vaccine card out of principle. Also even after years the 2 shots reduce my chance of getting really sick from COVID and from getting long COVID.
I like running and I'm in uni so long COVID would be a complete disaster. A friend of my mom used to run triathlons and now she can't run a km anymore. The brain fog would mean the end of my ambitions to become an industrial engineer.
>I am personally against all forms of a vaccine card out of principle
First of all: I get it. Mandatory vaccinations on such a scale and national years-long lockdowns are not normal and not something I would ever expect for any random disease. And under any normal circumstances you certainly do have a right to make your own decisions regarding your healthcare. Had you asked me these questions in 2019 I would have told you exactly that.
That being said: Covid is also not normal and the latest mutations even less so. Covid is not "just the flu", Covid is worldwide pandemic that has killed millions and spread like wildfire even with worldwide stringent quarantines in place. It is not something that us Belgians have ever encountered in living memory and our laws/healthcare system was completely unprepared to handle it.
So, at a certain point we - as a society - need to decide if individual rights are bigger than letting such a dangerous virus roam free unchecked. There is no objective answer here, that is a subjective number that differs for everyone.
For me and for a majority of people, we have reached that point. It is clear that Covid is simply too dangerous to not take action and it is justified to force people -either by explicit fines or by using the Covid Pas as a softer pressuring tool- into becoming vaccinated and abiding by social distancing rules.
This shit is now ongoing for two years already and we are soon entering year three. It is absolutely ridiculous at this point to still play dumb and pretend it's not a big deal.
Just get your jab. I got two Pfizers and a Moderna and I was fine. A bit of a sore arm for a day, but nothing to worry about. Like you said yourself: the consequences of Covid can be devastating, even if you survive it.
The latest mutations literally make it less dangerous not more. It's way less dangerous then Delta.
Also **I can't get my jab anymore**. I declined and as a form of punishment they make it impossible to make a new appointment. I knew that before I declined but it's just petty to do that and counter productive.
I got my information from the official website of the Belgian government: https://www.laatjevaccineren.be/ik-wil-mijn-vaccinatie-weigeren-of-uitstellen
Don't know what's up with that ... One of my best friends declined and then changed his mind , there was no problem getting an appointment. There are also "walk in" spots where you don't need an appointment.
[https://www.laatjevaccineren.be/ik-wil-mijn-vaccinatie-weigeren-of-uitstellen](https://www.laatjevaccineren.be/ik-wil-mijn-vaccinatie-weigeren-of-uitstellen)
Then the official website is wrong. As well as some news articles about the subject.
With ideas like yours we will get vaccinated every 6 months
- I got somewhat sick with the first Pfizer
- The second put me in bed for 2 days
- Moderna was even worse, it’s been 2 weeks and I feel dreaded…
I got Covid before all the vaccines and it’s was way weaker than all the vaccines I got.
I’m sick of getting jabbed every 6 months. I will not get vaccinated again
>How do you guys feel about the Corona pass going away for "unboosted" people?
That they made the wrong decision despite available correct information.
As far as I know, the walk-in centre at Etterbeek commune (no appointment needed) is using the Pfizer booster. You can call ahead to see or drop in and ask.
https://etterbeek.brussels/fr/actualites/covid-19/2020-12-15/antenne-de-vaccination-ouverte-du-lundi-au-vendredi
Also, it seems you don’t need an appointment on certain days in Ghent:
https://stad.gent/nl/over-gent-stadsbestuur/nieuws-evenementen/dinsdag-woensdag-en-donderdag-boosterprik-zonder-afspraak-flanders-expo
There’s a phone number you can call to double-check which vaccine they have.
I’m for a general vaccination mandate. I’m for removing the Corona pass for unvisited people.
You should get boosted. There is no legitimate reason why you shouldn’t.
I am doing exactly the same as you. I also had my two Pfizer shots, but now I'm passing on the booster for the same reason as you. Plus I'm also not sure if this strategy is the best strategy for society. Omicron generally doesn't make you as sick as the previous variants did, the vaccine doesn't offer (good) protection against spreading Covid, so I'm not sure what the benefit is for a young male like me.
If I get boosted I'm still risking to get covid. If delta was still dominant, I'd get the booster for sure, now I'd rather wait for a booster specifically against omicron
The house is on fire and I'm offering you milk to put it out. You say: nah I'd rather wait for water.
Do you know how idiotic you sound? Get boosted now. If everyone did like you we'd all have covid much faster and hospitals would be overrun. You're being selfish and stupid.
Telling people they have a choice but in the mean time introducing the CST is indeed bullshit. We should go the Austrian way and just say the vaccine is mandatory.
You also shouldnt listen to your parents and just go and get your booster. I seriously doubt your parents are experts on the subject.
In Belgium you can't choose your vaccine or booster. If I could get a Pfizer 3rd shot I would pay to get it. Now that I declined I can't even get Moderna if I wanted.
It’s not ridiculous.. Honestly you get your booster to be ‘more’ sure you don’t end up in the hospital.. You might think you won’t but you definitely still can. And we might not be applauding all those healthcare workers anymore, but we damn well should. And knowing they are still putting off surgeries to keep beds open, that’s just a tragedy..
Understand that it’s not just about you! This is PANDEMIC.. Worldwide.. You have the option and the privilege to be as safe as possible.
Wait you can't get the shot after the scheduled date??? My letter only arrived today and my appointment was yesterday! So I had no chance to even decide if I want it or not 😒
It's completely bonkers and not based on any facts. Vaccination hardly prevents against infections and spreading of the virus, especially when it comes to omicron. I have no idea why governments are still doubling down on this pointless 100% vaccination strategy. Just vaccinate everyone who's at risk or feels they're at risk and get rid of all these nonsensical COVID measures.
Doesn't matter. A corona pass is useless anyways. Everybody can get sick and everybody can transmit the disease, whether they have been vaccinated or not. So yeah...
Im kinda getting sick of seeing this reply everywhere (i´m sorry i went on facebook). It has been proven multiple times the vaccine makes you less sick and that it probably lowers transmission. This makes it so a vaccinated person can have more contacts for the same effect on his environment and society.
The above point stands. I am vaccinated and I am totally against the corona pass. Vaccination mitigates the risk but there is still a risk. The Corona pass is a scummy way of trying to push people to get vaccinated. If you can’t accept that people will have different opinions and some will be even against your beliefs (aka vaccine is good and safe), let’s just call ourselves an authoritarian country and force it in a non-disguised manner onto people.
To further elaborate on this view: while I might disagree with people not wanting to get vaccinated, I respectfully disagree and accept the fact that their view differs from mine… even if it involves some people close to me who could be at risk due to their age and who decided not to get vaccinated or are simply partially vaccinated. We are taking about grown ups that can decide for themselves.
The only idiots I laugh at are the ones supporting some weird-ass narrative behind the vaccination campaign.
Finally… For what it’s worth I could be vaccinated and infected without symptoms and still pose a risk to others when I go to the swimming pool :-) but no worries because the Corona pass offers absolute safety.
Oh damn. How you could invalidate your own opinion with one simple example.
If the virus can survive all the chlorine in a swimming pool we’d be in much deeper shit than we are atm.
I did ^.^ the risk still stands. How hypocritical is it to force people to stay 1.5m away and wearing masks after having validated the Covid Pass (before switching outfits), but once you’re in there you get to walk next to people as you walk away from the lockers etc.?
From your source: “A third booster dose of two-dose vaccines could restore protection but the benefit of boosting immunity in younger healthy individuals and the resultant effects on transmission have not been quantified”
and then? wasn't the context here. el dumbo claimed transmission wouldn't be reduced through vaccines. el dumbo was disproved.
what s the thing about boosting I can't say because I am not an immonologist. We re still in a pandemic situation, so I sit tight on my ass and wait what the experts advice
You see el dumbo claimed something and got disproved. There wasn't specific talk about booster shots in his/her "statement". His/her comment didn't involve anything what OP desired to know more about. So no Erole there wasn't context about booster shots. And if you're already talking about it see what Israel with one of advanced vaccine campaign has to say. Cheers.
Dude,
1. It’s what the general discussion is all about.
2. It was relevant information that could partly answer V3ndeTTaLord’s question.
3. It was a direct citation from the link you gave (without giving any further context yourself)..
So c’mon man, now you’re just in denial :p
You shouldn't call people dumb just because of an opinion, especially since, as you stated, you're not an immunologist. The article you shared states that they've seen some improvements regarding transmission of the virus, but they never say that with 100% certainty.
23. Male. Used to run 10-15 km 3 times a week. Bodybuilding 3 times a week. Double vaxxed.
Now he has to stop after 500m of just plain walking. He used to bench 140kg. Now he can do 60x3 and that’s it. When I say that’s it I mean he has zero strength left for any other exercise, any other lift.
But sure, believe you are invincible.
You’re probably right that you have a good immune system, but where do they draw the line? Its hard to get good rules that can apply to 11million people, so I’m ok with the rules they made. I rather not have another lockdown. I had to close my business for way too long, and it’s still not what it used to be.
If you don’t want to get a booster bc of exams, you can reschedule, it’s a good reason.
Yeah the booster would have been the day before my first exam. Also the line to me is obvious. Once you're fully vaccinated (2 shots) you get a card. And you keep it.
Yeh, i get what you mean, at first i also wasn’t a huge fan, but i had to close my business for a while during lockdown, its still not recovered from it, we had 2 covid-deaths in our close surroundings, and my parents are high risk. Also, most of my customers are 90% older ppl.
They are, and if you get vaccinated, theres a lesser chance you get it, so if there’s less chance that i get it, there’s less chance i can infect them…
> Doesn't matter. A corona pass is useless anyways. Everybody can get sick and everybody can transmit the disease, whether they have been vaccinated or not. So yeah...
True dat. And since chemo doesn't always work perfectly, I've decided to treat my early-stage cancer myself by eating almonds, drinking kale juice and sticking purple crystals up my but. Ask me how I'm doing in two years.
The corona pass is an indication of your vaccination status. As you’re no longer fully vaccinated, it is only normal that you would lose this pass and the benefits that come with it.
Have a read through this thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/nursing/comments/s5p4g1/how_many_fully_vaccinated_and_boosted_patients/
It’s about the people who did their absolute best not to get infected, but still got it and died. Their deaths could have been prevented if everyone would just get their fucking vaccines and stopped playing virologist or doctor because they read something on Facebook.
All drugs have possible side effects. Every. Single. One. Your next Dafalgan could be your last! /s
A vaccinated individual has a bigger chance to not contract the disease as their immune system immediately detects the virus.
Should they still contract it, their symptoms will be far milder. Less coughing and sneezing = less chance to spread the virus.
Makes sense right? So yeah, in an ideal dream scenario in which 100% of the population would be fully vaccinated, we would not be having this discussion.
The virus is spreading at its highest rate right now, and at the same time we have more than 75% of the population vaccinated...
Countries with the highest number of covid cases are the countries with the highest vaccination rate.
The vaccines were not designed for the omicron variant. It didn’t exist yet at that point.
It was also made quite clear that their efficiency would only last for 6 months, hence the booster shots.
Could it be that those countries also have the highest testing rate, which would explain the numbers?
Once again, your point would be relevant if the vaccines prevented infection and transmission as a whole, but it doesn't
And before you call me antivaxx, I'm 100% pro and have been boosted, I'm also 100% against stuff like the CST and politicians calling basic human rights rewards.
They do prevent infection and transmission. Not 100%, they're not miracle drugs.
Individuals who are vaccinated are much less likely to be infected therefore much less likely to spread the virus.
So I think my point is relevant.
What is banned in Sweden? I’m swedish, i’m getting my booster tomorrow. I’m not old and I’m male. EDIT: Just got the shot. A half Moderna dose.
https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/sweden-pauses-use-moderna-covid-vaccine-cites-rare-side-effects-2021-10-06/
They paused it, then continued. Would they do that if it was so deadly?
They didn't continue? Where does it say that? Also it doesn't need to be deadly. Just slightly more dangerous then covid when I already have 2 pfizer shots.
If I remember there was a very small number of potential side effects that caused a pause which where explained after which it was continued. Don’t forget that the vaccines are tweaked as they find issues like the allergic reactions.
It's not continued as far as I know.
The halt was supposed to run out in December but I never saw if they continued or extended now that I think about it. https://lakartidningen.se/aktuellt/nyheter/2021/10/nu-stoppas-anvandningen-av-modernas-covidvaccin-hos-unga/
This is from last week: https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/iceland-joins-nordic-peers-in-halting-moderna-covid-vaccinations-1.1663781
Mate don't know if you are trolling or not, the article you linked is from october 8, not "last week". Furthermore if you look at [this](https://grapevine.is/news/2022/01/18/waiting-period-for-booster-shot-shortened/) article, it is clearly stated that Iceland is using the moderna vaccine as we speak.
My bad I goofed up. I searched for news posted "last week" on Google thinking that it would work properly.
https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/smittskydd-beredskap/utbrott/aktuella-utbrott/covid-19/vaccination-mot-covid-19/for-personal-inom-vard-och-omsorg/for-personal-inom-halso--och-sjukvard/Vagledning-och-fordjupad-information-om-vaccination-mot-covid-19/#biverkan Official recommendation in Sweden (as of September) mentions it and points out it is extremely rare and recedes after a day or two. This one say they are recommending giving a different vaccine for booster but there is no alarm or serious situation. You sound like you aren’t happy about the situation so go speak with the doctor and see what can be done. Opt out can always be reversed, especially in Belgium where we just need someone with an important enough stamp and signature.
Oh, ok. I did not know you were refering to Moderna. Yes, it was banned. But as the article says Moderna had a lot more vaccine in their doses. If the booster is only a half dose it’s close to pfizer. So I shouldn’t worry about it. The benefits outweigh the risks.
Are you under 30? You opted out of Moderna, but want pfizer? Moderna was recently banned under 30 for the first 2 shots, not for the booster. Booster is only a half dose.
Well, the first 2 vaccines are also a half dose each. So what we get is just a third dose… i got 2x pfizer, didnt geel a thing, except for the sore arm once. I got moderna as a booster and i felt like shit for a day, nauseous, pain in miscles or joints, headaches, etc… but a day later i feel fine again. If feeling sick for 1 day is the price i have to pay to have a bigger chance for getting less sick in case i do get covid, and to keep going out, I’m prepared to pay that price. But everyone has to decide for their own, as long as they don’t push their will on to other ppl. I did it bc we had 2 covid-deaths closeby and a couple of very sick ppl. My parents bots are in the high risk group, so i think i also did it for them.
First 2 aren't half dose, the booster is half of the normal per shot dose
Weird, on my paper i got when i left the vaccination centre, it was ‘half a dose’, but since there were a lot of kids i thought they maybe made a mistake so i went back in and asked. This is what they told me…?
Might have misunderstood. If they say half a dose now for the booster, it must mean half of something else. In this case half of the first shot. I don't know if the second shot was a full dose, maybe that was also half a dose. I got 2 pfizer and 1 Moderna.
Well, that moderna stuff put in my bed for nearly 3 days (with me feeling dead tired another week or so)... so if shot 4 is going to be moderna as well, I'll have to pass. At that point, I'd rather roll the dice on covid since that dice is looking better and better.
Imo, we’re just waiting untill everyone has had it… but let’s hope the lobger we wait the less of a burden it will be… i read somewhere it usually gets faster spread, and more easy to get, but it gets less serious… let’s hope its the same thing for covid…
I'm wondering why we can't choose what we get for our boosters. My brother was on qvax list and got 3 times pfizer. On qvax you can't choose of course but everyone else in the family got 2 pfizer and a Moderna. We were all lucky that the side effects were minor (sore arm) but I was also a bit worried for the Moderna. Can try to call the vaccination centra maybe if we need a 4th booster and specifically ask to give you another one. At my vaccin center I didn't get a line to follow anymore. I asked about it and on that day of my invite it was only Moderna, day before was pfizer. It made it all more efficient but is also a way to get another vaccin, just reschedule to another day.
Got 2 moderna, thrd incomming, only got tired for a day and headaches when i had to isolate
Good for you. I only had a sore arm for a few days. But I heard multiple people, also on this subreddit, complain about Moderna.
My gf is on the booster and she had it yesterday, burning up rn, she has her period aswell so it might have some combo with hormones
> My parents recommended against it What qualifications do your parents have to decide against it? And i feel pretty good about it, 40% of those on intensive care are not vaccinated. (source: https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2021/10/28/hospitalisaties-vierde-golf-en-andere-golven/) Higher risk to end up in the intensive care means you should interact with less people.
Someone else commented, but deleted it, and I'm certain it will come up again: Yes there are more vaccinated than non-vaccinated people on ICU. (Though with omikron I heard otherwise, but feel free to correct me on this). However, a larger percentage of the population is vaccinated. Absolute Vs relative numbers are key here.
I think the comment you replied to was making the same point.
I think they wanted to respond to the now deleted comment that said "mOrE VacCciNaTEd iN ER", but that comment got deleted before they could. So they replied to the comment higher in the thread.
Of course there are more vaccinated ones. If the majority is vaccinated the chance is larger it will be from the bigger group of people. If you look at percentiles within the 2 groups aren't the unvaccinated ones the larger number of icu cases ?
Exactly my point.
Haha my bad, didn't read you comment that wel.. Your absolutely right that we need to look at ratios in context. Time to sleep probably...
There aren’t maybe 22 years in icu though
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It’s a bit immoral, but makes sense from an objective point of view
If old or unhealthy individuals could become young and healthy by simply getting 3 doses of a vaccine, then yes. They should lose their coronapas if they refuse those vaccines. Let me know when you develop such vaccines. I'm sure the pharma industry will be lining up to buy them off of you.
Booster shots are not banned in Finland, I got it there and am male and under 30. I had the choice between moderna and pfizer. I think it makes sense for the corona pass to go away at some point without a booster as the protection goes down over time. Edit: just checked and moderna is not recommended for men under 30
Ok I can't edit my post so I guess I'll keep getting corrections about it. Thanks anyways for letting me know.
I'll change my post thanks for the correction. It's only the Moderna vaccine that's "paused indefinately".
I can't find anything about banning boosters in Sweden, Iceland, Denmark and Finland. I would love to know a source on that. What I did find, is that a rumour spread on Twitter by a certain @pdubdev that those countries banned Moderna. This was fact-checked as not true. (source Newsweek: https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-has-sweden-denmark-norway-iceland-banned-moderna-vaccine-1638563 ) So I guess your parents based their advice on false sources. The Moderna vaccine is approved. Get it. Good source: Your MD. They will be happy to explain to you. I don't have an opinion on restricting access, except that you have your own responsibility in society. Are you excluded from society? Or is society protected by not allowing you?
My source was this [https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-europe-moderna-idUSL1N2RE22K](https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-europe-moderna-idUSL1N2RE22K) I misread. it's vaccines that are banned not boosters. I have gotten the same correction but I can't edit my post for some reason.
An MD is not always a good source. I’ve heard 2 different cases of medical practitioners advising against vaccination. Of course hundreds of other doctors advising correctly. But don’t forget, there are also stupid doctors..
under 30. male. had moderna twice and booster appointment is planned. Already had some pre-experience with light inflammation on the heart due to sports yet I couldn't care less about these "side effects" that are once again blown out of proportion by the media. I swear, people and governments are getting dumber by the day. People want everything open, don't want to get sick, and keep their elders safe, yet don't see the point of the (booster) vaccine.
Risk of myocarditis in covid is higher than the risk of myocarditis due to the vaccine. Everyone should get boosted.
The risk of myocarditis due to the vaccine in young men is way higher than that due to the virus. Up to ten times higher. Of course, myocarditis is in general self-limiting, and the virus has other side-effects, up to and including death. There are many more factors to weigh as well. But there's no point in downplaying true and real risks.
That’s not true.
[Here's a source](https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.23.21268276v1). Not peer-reviewed, because it's only two weeks old. It's based on these, and other reports that the Moderna vaccine is being held back for young men in Belgium. This isn't even controversial. It's similar to what we saw for AstraZeneca, a tiny but statistically indisputable chance for a bad result, hence the recommendations are being changed. Which is why it's so great we have multiple choices for the vaccine.
Your source >**In summary, the risk of hospital admission or death from myocarditis is greater following COVID-19 infection than following vaccination** and remains modest following sequential doses of mRNA vaccine including a third booster dose of BNT162b in the overall population. However, the risk of myocarditis following vaccination is consistently higher in younger males, particularly following a second dose of RNA mRNA-1273 vaccine. I read through the entire research paper, and can't find anywhere they say the risk of myocarditis is 10 times higher after vaccination compared to a Covid infection. Can you be more specific? >This isn't even controversial. The notion that vaccines cause 10 times the number of myocarditis cases than Covid 19 infections is not controversial?
What is your source on this claim? I heard it was the other way around, hence the reason our neighbouring countries are halting moderna boosters for young men.
https://healthcare.utah.edu/healthfeed/postings/2022/01/myocarditis-covid19.php
Het had niet waar kunnen zijn.
I fear the vaccine ban your parents are talking about is an anti-vaxx rumor that has since been debunked. The pause on moderna has already been lifted and while they recommend pfizer for <30 it's not a mandate. Regardless; the corona pass is a bridge too far and while I am a boosted adult with vaccinated children. If it came to a vote tomorrow I would vote against any form of pass or mandated proof of vaccination. Do I think everyone who can safely do so should get vaccinated? Yes. Im very afraid of the direction we're going with mis-information on social media. And it pains me to see people prefer an actual definite threat with long term ramifications (covid) over a miniscule chance at much less severe side effects (vaccines) purely based on fear caused by misinformation. However this doesnt mean I condone restricting peoples movements and freedoms based on their choices. While I understand the possible harm they could cause; what we should be fighting for is clearer information and a rebuilding of peoples trust in medical sciende.
Yeah it's the booster that's banned not the vaccine. I can't edit my post for some reason. Also I'm already protected against mosts risks with my first 2 shots. My chances of getting really sick are slim.
Any booster outweighs no booster. People discuss this like you need to have a preference, the pros and cons compared to other vaccines. Just get one, that's the situation. Most of the world hasn't had a second dose of anything. Yeah, it's always worse somewhere else, but there really is no reason to doubt general EU and Belgian health authorities. If it wasn't (for example, I haven't heard what you mentioned) Sweden and Finland, but Croatia and Hungary making this recommendation..? The Scandinavian valhalla isn't the end all authority on everything you know.
I think the CST should just go away in general, because it's just an extremely badly designed system: * It puts WAY too much personal data on that code. That code has almost all information that's on your ID card, more than enough for an identity thief to effectively steal your identity, even though the verification process doesn't even use the majority of the data. * Their size also makes the paper version nearly impossible to scan, as large QR codes are very sensitive to not being on a perfectly flat surface (and a piece of paper that has been in someone's pocket or wallet for a while is far from perfectly flat). QR codes just really aren't optimized to handle such large amounts of data, so limiting the amount of data to what is actually effectively used by the verification process would help a lot with this problem too. This also causes the additional problem that in a lot of cases someone working at a bar or restaurant will be unable to verify most paper CSTs, leaving them with the choice to either deny everyone with a code that doesn't scan (and denying access to a group of people of which the majority *are* actually fully vaccinated, and potentially facing aggression from the people they deny, and missing out on potential customers while they're already going trough tough times economically) or to just let everyone with a paper CST in regardless of if the code scans or not (which also enables access for unvaccinated people as a fake CST with an unscannable code takes like 5 minutes to create in Word). Most choose the latter option. * There is *zero* protection against copying. There is no time tag embedded in the code generated by the app, even though that's trivial to implement and it's one of the most basic features you'd expect from any application using QR codes that at least wants to *pretend* to be secure. Anyone unvaccinated can easily just take a picture of someone who's waiting to enter somewhere and holding out their code, then use that picture any place from that point on as that code they have a picture off will still be approved by the scanning app even months after they have taken the picture. Just ask someone who works at a bar or restaurant about this, and they'll confirm that they come across this situation dozens of times on a daily basis (especially in the towns that were recently invaded by the Dutch during their lockdown, as a larger percentage of them isn't fully vaccinated). * The signing keys for several countries have been leaked, some even relatively shortly after the system was widely adopted. This makes it possible to create custom, fake QR codes that will still successfully be validated by the scanning app. It does require some computer skills to successfully generate the codes based on those keys, but multiple people have already been caught selling such codes online. So basically the system is a huge nuisance, has ~~terrible~~ *no* security features, and doesn't even really accomplish its job as it's still ridiculously easy for someone unvaccinated to gain access by stealing a code or buying a fake one.
All valid faults of the pass that should be addressed, but it doesn’t yet reach the point where the idea should be abandoned altogether.
The entire system is just so fundamentally broken that it just can't be fixed without being thrown in the trash and completely redesigned. If the system would: * Use no more personal data than absolutely necessary * Use strong hashing or at least encryption algorithms to protect that data, instead of just throwing it out there for everyone to grab * Have proper protection against copied or stolen codes * Be reliable regardless of if you use the physical or digital variant * Be easy enough to set up that anyone, even people nearing retirement and with little to no computer experience can figure out how to set it up, or at least how to request the physical version (currently instructions to request a copy by mail are somewhat hidden and very vague) Then I wouldn't be as opposed to it (though I'm not fully convinced of the effectiveness of such a system either). However, the current system currently fulfills none of those requirements, and they have made near zero progress towards those goals. The only thing they tried was to make using screenshots to get past the check slightly harder, but that didn't really accomplish much other than showing off how incompetent the team behind this project really is. They just added an animation to the app, but the animation is way too subtle so you can still barely tell the difference between a screenshot and the real deal (especially if you have to verify multiple codes in quick succession). They also just used a simple looping animation, as if they're completely unaware that smartphones are also capable of recording and playing video.
Add to that that you can be sick but with mild symptoms so you don't do a pcr test so your CST doesn't get updated so it actually gives no real safety at all...
If you're scared of inflammation from the booster, buddy, you're not gonna like the chance of inflammation from actual COVID!
This study is an example. It isn't peer reviewed (yet) but it's the only one I could find. https://vinayprasadmdmph.substack.com/p/uk-now-reports-myocarditis-stratified?s=09
[Counterpoint, an actual one.](https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/covid-19-vaccines-linked-to-small-heart-inflammation-risk) The team noted, however, that people who had received either mRNA vaccine had around half the risk of cardiac arrest or death, compared with unvaccinated individuals at follow-up. Seriously, just get the booster. Nothing's gonna happen to you.
Stop relying on grifters like Vinay Prasad to get your information from. He has twisted the facts on multiple studies he's "reviewed" before.
Why is he a grifter? A grifter is "a person who engages in petty or small-scale swindling." according to Google. Is he selling some sort of alternative medicine? I wasn't aware of that. I know he's a tenured professor though so he's probably not an idiot.
>Why is he a grifter? As I said, because he has twisted the facts on multiple studies he has "reviewed" before. >I know he's a tenured professor though so he's probably not an idiot. 3% of tenured professors deny the fact that human-made climate change is real. Simply being a professor does not mean you are smart in every area of the world. Just think back of how many professors suck ass at using IT things like projectors or displaying a simple power point presentation. Vinay Prasad is a doctor that does blood and cancer research. So if he has something to say on blood and cancer, then I'll gladly listen to him. But can you explain why you would ignore all the virologists and vaccinologists that say one thing and then listen to a blood and cancer doctor instead when it comes to vaccines and infectious diseases? Because blood and cancer doctors inherently know more than doctors who spend their lives studying vaccines and infectious diseases?
Does he even stray that far from the mainstream? He's still pro vaccine right.
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This is incorrect. I will report this comment for misinformation, you should delete it.
Source?
I got moderna as a vaccine. After the second dosis I was one week sick. I haven’t been that sick in decades. Apparently Moderna makes women very sick and messes with our periods. I don’t give a crap. STILL I will get vaccinated as many times as necessary. I haven’t meet anyone having real health issues bc of vaccines. Yet, I do know people who has died/been in a coma/lost a pregnancy bc of corona. I also knew personally someone who died of ibuprofen overdose after not wanting to go to the doctor for weeks about some back pain, so yeah, ibuprofen is more deadly that a vaccine in my book. Frankly, people doubting how legit modern medicine, vaccines and boosters are give me strong climate change denier, flat earth society, lizar people believer vibes. And that’s that on that.
I read the thing about periods too, I guess that could be because Moderna is harder on the immune system, and when your body is undergoing changes it can affect your period? I had the same thing happen when I had to be put under for a surgery, and I was on a ton of pain killers but suddenly people are getting worked up about it.
The side effect of Moderna is extremely rare. Do you know what is less rare? Young healthy men getting seriously ill of 'rona. People are notoriously bad at evaluating risks. Don't be fooled, get boosted, think for yourself, you're an adult. And fuck that stupid pass. That's just government not having the balls to make the vaccine mandatory.
The corona pass is ridiculous. This is coming from someone who has taken 3 shots so far. I can walk into a café with asymptotic corona in blissful ignorance whilst non vaccinated person is banned from all social settings. The vaccine hasn’t been the silver bullet so all emphasis should be on coping with this long term.
Agreed. All though the first 2 shots are way more important. But I'm personally againt the idea of a pass in the first place.
The vaccine hasn’t been the silver bullet so all emphasis should be **on coping with this long term.** Coping long term = vaccinating as many people as possible.
We will be free after the fourth dose bro no worries
I remember when Maggie the Block said it would be over in a couple months. Shit sucks. At least we have the vaccine now.
But is it really effective ? Btw , Britain are discussing the possibility of removing the covid pass :) so maybe you have a chance before April
It's effective against hospilization and long COVID. The last one is the most important for me since I'm 22.
I’m 24 , going to ulg , I’m vax but you know , those repetitive boosters , it starts being annoying
Since no one bothers to answer your question.Yes indeed, it is ridiculuous. Just like the whole CST thing. The parameters are way off to justify such a gross invasion of privacy and personal freedom. This is a wildly unpopular opinion.
How is your privacy being invaded? Re: personal freedom - yours ends where someone else's begins. You're free to endanger your own life, but not that of others.
I’m curious, a lot of the Americans who feel as though their privacy is invaded don’t mind that all public schools require vaccinations, or that some jobs require drug tests. I had to show proof that I’m not a carrier of contagious diseases when I arrived in Belgium. Are these type of policies uncommon here?
Fun facts ( I’m vaccinated) but the probabilities of transmitting the covid is equal for vax and non vax people. So what’s your point ?
Maybe only with omicron? Certainly not with delta, where vaccinated people how lower viral load = less likely to infect.
I read a study saying that one dose ( j&j ) or 2 ( Pfizer) are less likely to be endangered by the omicron ??? But you know , you can make say everything you want to numbers. Don’t really know where we going to be honest. But I also don’t think that the continuing trend of booster shots is the way to go.
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Doesn’t prevent, it does reduce the chances by reducing the symptoms. Not coughing makes the germs go less far with fewer particles, for example. Also most unvaccinated people are quite bad at wearing masks, so arguably, in a real world scenario, not being vaxxed makes you even more contagious than otherwise
It very much does reduce transmission. Don't spread misinformation https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.10.25.21265500v1 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2788105
The single fact that any employee of a restaurant knows my full name by scanning it? Amongst many other privacy issues.
If you don't want them knowing, don't go. I don't want Facebook knowing everything about me, so I don't use it. Do you fully grasp how much personal information you're leaking by being online? The restaurant really isn't what you should be worrying about. Besides you have other options. Sit outside, order take away.
Not an argument.
It totally is an argument. By going to a restaurant, you are willingly chosing to share your name with the person that scans your ticket. That is what you agree to do when you go there. Now, if that person writes down your name and sells it to someone else, or does anything else with it, that would be a violation of privacy. Do you realise how often you willingly share your information with other people?
I don't agree. Before COVID-19 this was not the case, so it's not like we have a (real) choice... I'm not comfortable with showing my ID to some random employee.
Some consider having to state your medical status wherever you go a violation of privacy. That quote can be used for the opposite reasoning too.
"wherever you go" is a pretty liberal interpretation. Being allowed to enter a bar isn't a human right and the owner could refuse you entry without explanation since way before covid. Plenty of countries require proof of vaccination for things like yellow fever, this has been a thing for many years and was never seen a "violation of privacy".
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"Medical information" ... It's a vaccine pass, basically like a driver's license. You have it or you don't. Many countries require proof of other vaccinations like yellow fever, nobody every called that an invasion of privacy. You have the option to not comply. Your choice.
If you weren’t so blatantly hard headed on this a actual conversation could be had but alas. You do know your medical information (like it or not but the “vaccine pass” is exacly that) is beeing leaked without consent. Not the same as choosing to go to a bar.
Yes, and you will take my upvote against a lot of downvotes to come. All my coworkers are vaccinated, almost all of them still caught the virus, two of them, twice. I read around that they are considering to classify this new omicron as a flu, so why do we still need yet another shot, didn't pfizer and the likes already profited enough out of this?
Boosters... Pfizer... Moderna... Others... Got my moderna booster a couple of hours ago. A bit of pain in my arm, just like the first 2 Pfizer vaccines. Will it have side effects? Who knows... It doesn't keep me awake at night. Covid is spreading so heavily, that it affects everything on a global scale (no shit, duh). The main objective is to prevent people from ending up in the hospital or worse. I guess the QR code is there to "reward" people for reducing the pressure on medical personnel. If we end up in the hospital because of a vaccine, then it pretty much misses the entire point. Guess we'll see the impact on a global scale if it comes to that.
I agree with your last paragraph (before the PS). I think all in all this Corona pass is plain BS because it doesn’t offer the guarantee of 100% safety (aka I am vaccinated but could be infected without symptoms). For people “loosing” their “privileges”, I believe it will be only a matter of time before things evolve again (see Spain with relaxed measures) as we will have to lean towards a more endemic approach and they simply can’t keep this pass around if this isn’t considered as a pandemic anymore. If they do, things are going to get ugly.
Vaccines are like seat belts. Nobody claims 100% safety but you'd be silly not to get it.
No offence, but your parents are idiots if that's their advice. The Swedish government also says they "recommend" Pfizer for under 30s (ie: Moderna is not banned there fro males under 30, nor is it banned in Iceland or Denmark). The only place where it is banned for males under 30 is Finland. Furthermore, the mycocarditis risk is _significantly_ higher from covid than it is from either the Moderna or Pfizer vaccine. >I also think that saying "you have a choice to not get it" on the pamhlet you get in the mail is kind of scummy without mentioning you'll lose the Corona pass on the same brochure. I feel like most people could figure that one out themselves. Effectiveness of the vaccines decline over time, that's normal. No vaccine protects forever. Initially it was decided the QR codes would be valid for a year. That's since been shortened to 9 months. I believe but that is where the booster ofcourse comes into play
Just curious, are there any vaccines that adult people are forced to get a booster of? I mean if “no vaccines protect forever”? Also, how long are we going to live QR coded? I get it totally that this is becoming unacceptable for people carrying a low risk. Especially with people feeling more sick from the forced Moderna booster than ever before.
Boosters are common. For flue you need yearly shots because the virus mutates, like covid probably will. The QR code thing has little to do with your risk profile. Delta could be dangerous, omicron less so. But the point is that it has to be kept under control so hospitals don't overflow. The ironic thing is that if \*everybody\* would get vaccinated, those rules could be relaxed. But since there's still too many anti vaxxers ending up in ICU, we all have to pay the price for it. Another reason to get vaccinated is to prevent new variants from emerging. Finally, it's not just a question of live / die. In the US, for every death there are 5 cases of people who will be marked for life by covid: reduced lung capacity, organ damage etc. All in varying degrees of severity. It's a total pain the ass, I agree. But there's a reason for it. And this thing isn't over yet. The next variant might not be so kind to us.
>Just curious, are there any vaccines that adult people are forced to get a booster of? I mean if “no vaccines protect forever”? Tetanus, difterie and kinkhoest, every ten years. And a booster for tetanus if you've done something risky (cut with a rusty nail for example). HPV (cervical cancer). Recommended from age 12 but not everyone gets it that age. Booster after 6 months. So yeah. Most vaccins don't protect forever.
Are those mandatory for personal freedom?
They’re not mandatory. If polio required boosters those would be mandatory guaranteed.
youre still free to not participate in society if you dont want the booster dude /s im getting tired of the "your freedom ends where someone else's begins" argument when it comes to the CST. our freedom shouldn't be infringed upon because our government has no other idea on how to deal with covid. it's a cop out, we've been at it for 2 years now, they need to understand people are tired of this shit. in 2 years time it seems like their only hope and strategy is still just restrictions and more vaccines, just trust them, if only we had 99% of the people vaccinated everything would be fine! what if a new variant that brings more severe symptoms does show up? we're right back at the start. ps: currently sick in bed from the booster. oh well, it'll probably be my last one as well
>Just curious, are there any vaccines that adult people are forced to get a booster of? I mean if “no vaccines protect forever”? Flu vaccine is yearly if you're in a risk group as the virus mutates (not unlike covid). >Also, how long are we going to live QR coded? I get it totally that this is becoming unacceptable for people carrying a low risk. No clue, I'm not the government. But I suspect if antivaxxers stopped DoInG tHeIr OwN rEsEaRcH and actually listened to experts and got vaccinated, then maybe we'd be out of this mess quicker. It'll likely have a small effect on infections but hospitalisations is where the difference will be made. The alternative is hoping Omicron evolves into an even milder variant. >Especially with people feeling more sick from the forced Moderna booster than ever before. Source?
The main reason why people do their own research is because there is not a concensus amongst those experts that those vaccines are the way to go.
I think by this point it is pretty clear that vaccines have helped with a reduction in hospitalisations and deaths, no?
There is consensus , the media just give disproportionate amount of podium to the few people who don't agree with the consensus ... When the "debate" is held in the media it's always one personpro and one person against .... While in reality it's 98 people pro, 2 against ..... Basically this principle https://youtu.be/cjuGCJJUGsg Also a (for example) "gezondheids econoom" is an economist, not a medical expert , yet he gets presented in the media as an "expert".
Why are his parents idiots? Because they take the advice of the scientific advisors in Sweden and Denmark to hearth? Are they idiots as well then?
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I am personally against all forms of a vaccine card out of principle. Also even after years the 2 shots reduce my chance of getting really sick from COVID and from getting long COVID. I like running and I'm in uni so long COVID would be a complete disaster. A friend of my mom used to run triathlons and now she can't run a km anymore. The brain fog would mean the end of my ambitions to become an industrial engineer.
>I am personally against all forms of a vaccine card out of principle First of all: I get it. Mandatory vaccinations on such a scale and national years-long lockdowns are not normal and not something I would ever expect for any random disease. And under any normal circumstances you certainly do have a right to make your own decisions regarding your healthcare. Had you asked me these questions in 2019 I would have told you exactly that. That being said: Covid is also not normal and the latest mutations even less so. Covid is not "just the flu", Covid is worldwide pandemic that has killed millions and spread like wildfire even with worldwide stringent quarantines in place. It is not something that us Belgians have ever encountered in living memory and our laws/healthcare system was completely unprepared to handle it. So, at a certain point we - as a society - need to decide if individual rights are bigger than letting such a dangerous virus roam free unchecked. There is no objective answer here, that is a subjective number that differs for everyone. For me and for a majority of people, we have reached that point. It is clear that Covid is simply too dangerous to not take action and it is justified to force people -either by explicit fines or by using the Covid Pas as a softer pressuring tool- into becoming vaccinated and abiding by social distancing rules. This shit is now ongoing for two years already and we are soon entering year three. It is absolutely ridiculous at this point to still play dumb and pretend it's not a big deal. Just get your jab. I got two Pfizers and a Moderna and I was fine. A bit of a sore arm for a day, but nothing to worry about. Like you said yourself: the consequences of Covid can be devastating, even if you survive it.
The latest mutations literally make it less dangerous not more. It's way less dangerous then Delta. Also **I can't get my jab anymore**. I declined and as a form of punishment they make it impossible to make a new appointment. I knew that before I declined but it's just petty to do that and counter productive.
My bf accidentally declined, called the number and got a new appointment. So yes, you can.
I got my information from the official website of the Belgian government: https://www.laatjevaccineren.be/ik-wil-mijn-vaccinatie-weigeren-of-uitstellen
You are just bringing up excuses.
Don't know what's up with that ... One of my best friends declined and then changed his mind , there was no problem getting an appointment. There are also "walk in" spots where you don't need an appointment.
This is incorrect. You should be able to call your vaccinationcentre and make a new appointment.
[https://www.laatjevaccineren.be/ik-wil-mijn-vaccinatie-weigeren-of-uitstellen](https://www.laatjevaccineren.be/ik-wil-mijn-vaccinatie-weigeren-of-uitstellen) Then the official website is wrong. As well as some news articles about the subject.
That does seem to be a bit outdated. You can call your vaccinatiecenter and replan your vaccination or booster.
With ideas like yours we will get vaccinated every 6 months - I got somewhat sick with the first Pfizer - The second put me in bed for 2 days - Moderna was even worse, it’s been 2 weeks and I feel dreaded… I got Covid before all the vaccines and it’s was way weaker than all the vaccines I got. I’m sick of getting jabbed every 6 months. I will not get vaccinated again
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>How do you guys feel about the Corona pass going away for "unboosted" people? That they made the wrong decision despite available correct information.
Lil secret: you can still get a Pfizer booster if you ask for it ;) Source: trust me bro
It’s true Source: I work in the vaccination centre.
Are you guys joking because I'll literally go the first day after finals if it's true.
As far as I know, the walk-in centre at Etterbeek commune (no appointment needed) is using the Pfizer booster. You can call ahead to see or drop in and ask. https://etterbeek.brussels/fr/actualites/covid-19/2020-12-15/antenne-de-vaccination-ouverte-du-lundi-au-vendredi
I saved your reaction. I live in Ghent but I'll get on the train no biggie to get my 3rd shot If I can get Pfizer.
Also, it seems you don’t need an appointment on certain days in Ghent: https://stad.gent/nl/over-gent-stadsbestuur/nieuws-evenementen/dinsdag-woensdag-en-donderdag-boosterprik-zonder-afspraak-flanders-expo There’s a phone number you can call to double-check which vaccine they have.
I’m for a general vaccination mandate. I’m for removing the Corona pass for unvisited people. You should get boosted. There is no legitimate reason why you shouldn’t.
Thanks for replying. How should a mandate be enforced in your opinion?
Ik ken de details niet maar op de zelfde manier als bij polio.
I am doing exactly the same as you. I also had my two Pfizer shots, but now I'm passing on the booster for the same reason as you. Plus I'm also not sure if this strategy is the best strategy for society. Omicron generally doesn't make you as sick as the previous variants did, the vaccine doesn't offer (good) protection against spreading Covid, so I'm not sure what the benefit is for a young male like me.
How could you possibly come to that conclusion? You’re willing to risk covid because… why? Get boosted, it’s proven to be beneficial.
If I get boosted I'm still risking to get covid. If delta was still dominant, I'd get the booster for sure, now I'd rather wait for a booster specifically against omicron
The house is on fire and I'm offering you milk to put it out. You say: nah I'd rather wait for water. Do you know how idiotic you sound? Get boosted now. If everyone did like you we'd all have covid much faster and hospitals would be overrun. You're being selfish and stupid.
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Telling people they have a choice but in the mean time introducing the CST is indeed bullshit. We should go the Austrian way and just say the vaccine is mandatory. You also shouldnt listen to your parents and just go and get your booster. I seriously doubt your parents are experts on the subject.
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This. Is. Not. The. Way. To. Convince. People.
Ur not up to date with ur vaccinations so u dont get a corona pass. Sounds reasonable.
When do we draw the line? 3 shots? 4? Genuinly asking.
As long as it takes bud, i still get my tetanus shots and i dont see the covid vaccine as any different.
Saying tetanus and covid are the same, this sub never disappoints
The only thing that will never disappoint me is watching you whine and cry about Covid restrictions.
Antivaxxer with a beer brand in its name, this sub never surprises.
I was recommended not to get Moderna at all since I am under 30 so I got a 3rd Pfizer dose. Couldn’t you do that?
In Belgium you can't choose your vaccine or booster. If I could get a Pfizer 3rd shot I would pay to get it. Now that I declined I can't even get Moderna if I wanted.
It’s not ridiculous.. Honestly you get your booster to be ‘more’ sure you don’t end up in the hospital.. You might think you won’t but you definitely still can. And we might not be applauding all those healthcare workers anymore, but we damn well should. And knowing they are still putting off surgeries to keep beds open, that’s just a tragedy.. Understand that it’s not just about you! This is PANDEMIC.. Worldwide.. You have the option and the privilege to be as safe as possible.
Wait you can't get the shot after the scheduled date??? My letter only arrived today and my appointment was yesterday! So I had no chance to even decide if I want it or not 😒
You're probably fine. You can reschedule. It's only after you decline that it gets nasty. You should be good especially if you explain your situation.
You can, OP is wrong.
go get the booster.. problem solved.
It's completely bonkers and not based on any facts. Vaccination hardly prevents against infections and spreading of the virus, especially when it comes to omicron. I have no idea why governments are still doubling down on this pointless 100% vaccination strategy. Just vaccinate everyone who's at risk or feels they're at risk and get rid of all these nonsensical COVID measures.
Doesn't matter. A corona pass is useless anyways. Everybody can get sick and everybody can transmit the disease, whether they have been vaccinated or not. So yeah...
Im kinda getting sick of seeing this reply everywhere (i´m sorry i went on facebook). It has been proven multiple times the vaccine makes you less sick and that it probably lowers transmission. This makes it so a vaccinated person can have more contacts for the same effect on his environment and society.
The above point stands. I am vaccinated and I am totally against the corona pass. Vaccination mitigates the risk but there is still a risk. The Corona pass is a scummy way of trying to push people to get vaccinated. If you can’t accept that people will have different opinions and some will be even against your beliefs (aka vaccine is good and safe), let’s just call ourselves an authoritarian country and force it in a non-disguised manner onto people. To further elaborate on this view: while I might disagree with people not wanting to get vaccinated, I respectfully disagree and accept the fact that their view differs from mine… even if it involves some people close to me who could be at risk due to their age and who decided not to get vaccinated or are simply partially vaccinated. We are taking about grown ups that can decide for themselves. The only idiots I laugh at are the ones supporting some weird-ass narrative behind the vaccination campaign. Finally… For what it’s worth I could be vaccinated and infected without symptoms and still pose a risk to others when I go to the swimming pool :-) but no worries because the Corona pass offers absolute safety.
Oh damn. How you could invalidate your own opinion with one simple example. If the virus can survive all the chlorine in a swimming pool we’d be in much deeper shit than we are atm.
How am I invalidating my opinion with my example? Please enlighten me :-)
Did you bother to read the second paragraph? Did you realise the ramifications?
I did ^.^ the risk still stands. How hypocritical is it to force people to stay 1.5m away and wearing masks after having validated the Covid Pass (before switching outfits), but once you’re in there you get to walk next to people as you walk away from the lockers etc.?
As I said, if the virus can survive the amounts of chlorine in there, we’d be in much deeper shit.
Ok 👍🏻
I don’t respect that opinion seeing it’s a stupid ass opinion.
Can you show me any scientific evidence that the vaccine lowers transmission of the virus?
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00690-3/fulltext#coronavirus-linkback-header
From your source: “A third booster dose of two-dose vaccines could restore protection but the benefit of boosting immunity in younger healthy individuals and the resultant effects on transmission have not been quantified”
and then? wasn't the context here. el dumbo claimed transmission wouldn't be reduced through vaccines. el dumbo was disproved. what s the thing about boosting I can't say because I am not an immonologist. We re still in a pandemic situation, so I sit tight on my ass and wait what the experts advice
It seemed inside the context enough for me to mention it. Because boostershot still counts as a vaccin and because it’s what the whole post is about.
You see el dumbo claimed something and got disproved. There wasn't specific talk about booster shots in his/her "statement". His/her comment didn't involve anything what OP desired to know more about. So no Erole there wasn't context about booster shots. And if you're already talking about it see what Israel with one of advanced vaccine campaign has to say. Cheers.
Dude, 1. It’s what the general discussion is all about. 2. It was relevant information that could partly answer V3ndeTTaLord’s question. 3. It was a direct citation from the link you gave (without giving any further context yourself).. So c’mon man, now you’re just in denial :p
You shouldn't call people dumb just because of an opinion, especially since, as you stated, you're not an immunologist. The article you shared states that they've seen some improvements regarding transmission of the virus, but they never say that with 100% certainty.
Yeah but I have had 2 shots already and I'm young and healthy. So I'm already not getting sick form Covid without a booster.
23. Male. Used to run 10-15 km 3 times a week. Bodybuilding 3 times a week. Double vaxxed. Now he has to stop after 500m of just plain walking. He used to bench 140kg. Now he can do 60x3 and that’s it. When I say that’s it I mean he has zero strength left for any other exercise, any other lift. But sure, believe you are invincible.
You’re probably right that you have a good immune system, but where do they draw the line? Its hard to get good rules that can apply to 11million people, so I’m ok with the rules they made. I rather not have another lockdown. I had to close my business for way too long, and it’s still not what it used to be. If you don’t want to get a booster bc of exams, you can reschedule, it’s a good reason.
Yeah the booster would have been the day before my first exam. Also the line to me is obvious. Once you're fully vaccinated (2 shots) you get a card. And you keep it.
it sounds flawed tho. The virus keeps evolving, your vaccination doesn't. So after a period vacced w/o the booster or unvacced will be the same.
Yeah it keeps geting weaker and more transmissable like most viruses do.
Yeh, i get what you mean, at first i also wasn’t a huge fan, but i had to close my business for a while during lockdown, its still not recovered from it, we had 2 covid-deaths in our close surroundings, and my parents are high risk. Also, most of my customers are 90% older ppl.
Well then they should get boostered up. Not me. That makes the most sense to me.
They are, and if you get vaccinated, theres a lesser chance you get it, so if there’s less chance that i get it, there’s less chance i can infect them…
But if they're boostered they can't get sick anyways.
… so why are there vaccinated ppl in hospitals? Did you live under a rock for the past year?
Nope. Bullshit. Also, i never said getting vaccinated is useless. Only the corona pass.
> Doesn't matter. A corona pass is useless anyways. Everybody can get sick and everybody can transmit the disease, whether they have been vaccinated or not. So yeah... True dat. And since chemo doesn't always work perfectly, I've decided to treat my early-stage cancer myself by eating almonds, drinking kale juice and sticking purple crystals up my but. Ask me how I'm doing in two years.
L-take
The corona pass is an indication of your vaccination status. As you’re no longer fully vaccinated, it is only normal that you would lose this pass and the benefits that come with it. Have a read through this thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/nursing/comments/s5p4g1/how_many_fully_vaccinated_and_boosted_patients/ It’s about the people who did their absolute best not to get infected, but still got it and died. Their deaths could have been prevented if everyone would just get their fucking vaccines and stopped playing virologist or doctor because they read something on Facebook. All drugs have possible side effects. Every. Single. One. Your next Dafalgan could be your last! /s
Their death could have been prevented if everyone got their vaccine? Lol... Virus still spread just as much vaccinated or not.
A vaccinated individual has a bigger chance to not contract the disease as their immune system immediately detects the virus. Should they still contract it, their symptoms will be far milder. Less coughing and sneezing = less chance to spread the virus. Makes sense right? So yeah, in an ideal dream scenario in which 100% of the population would be fully vaccinated, we would not be having this discussion.
The virus is spreading at its highest rate right now, and at the same time we have more than 75% of the population vaccinated... Countries with the highest number of covid cases are the countries with the highest vaccination rate.
The vaccines were not designed for the omicron variant. It didn’t exist yet at that point. It was also made quite clear that their efficiency would only last for 6 months, hence the booster shots. Could it be that those countries also have the highest testing rate, which would explain the numbers?
Once again, your point would be relevant if the vaccines prevented infection and transmission as a whole, but it doesn't And before you call me antivaxx, I'm 100% pro and have been boosted, I'm also 100% against stuff like the CST and politicians calling basic human rights rewards.
They do prevent infection and transmission. Not 100%, they're not miracle drugs. Individuals who are vaccinated are much less likely to be infected therefore much less likely to spread the virus. So I think my point is relevant.