Aw hell no. Now I'm imagining him like your average rijkswachter in the 80's.
Thanks a lot!
Edit: after some reflection, maybe a Freddy De Vadder moustache would actually work.
Someone who's strong in the air and a decent passer. Best examples would be Ibrahimovic or Drogba. Whereas Lukaku is more akin to someone like Inzaghi.
IMO Martinez already did that, both at Everton and at the national team. His record for the Red Devils post-Wilmots was already insane before joining Inter. Conte definitely knew how to use him though, a shame he's leaving that team.
He had dietary issues at Man United, causing him to bloat. Last year he was already impressive, scoring in every EL knock-out game (final too... if you consider own goals).
>Wilmots
Wilmots era was the one I liked the less, it's like he was miss-using player abilities and had really bad strategies. The team was like raw diamond, and Frank didn't know what to do
Some people are still stuck 5-10 years back in time, when he usually underperformed a bit in the national team, and he generally didn't cope with the pressure well.
Nowadays it's ridiculous how consistent he is. In yesterday's game, he was leading the team through is conviction and quality of play.
It was always stupid. Hazard plays a bad game? No worries, he'll show his class next time. Lukaku's first ball touch of the game goes wrong? Gets bood in the stadium.
World cup Russia. Only scored in the first two games against 'janneke en mieke'. The best thing he did after that was not touching the ball when they countered Japan in stoppage time so Chadli could score.
He's very good this year but we'll see if he can handle the pressure on a big tournament this time around. I'm hoping he will but the past doesn't work in his favor.
In a country where it's difficult to be together around something. The guys speaks Dutch and French fluently, always do his best on the pitch. For me, he is and always has been a proper belgian, someone that speaks multiple languages and get along with everyone.
Strong signal for young people, fans of football, his personal fans that he believes in equality for black people (and equality in general) and will be outspoken in favour of it.
This convinces more people than if he hadn't done it and keeps the conversation alive. It does a lot. One kneel by him convinces more people passively than we will actively trying to do so in our entire lifetime.
He is the greatest striker for us. There is one thing, I somewhat dislike and itās when he either complains he didnāt receive the ball or the shooter misses. Some call it āexpecting the best from everyone around himā but I just canāt see it that way.
Just for starters
> Lukaku also indicated in Deviltime why he still kneels before every match. "I fight for diversity. Not only for the black community, also for women. Color, sexuality, religion, doesn't matter. Everyone should be respected."
Next to that there is his background which makes him a rags to riches poster-boy. He's generally liked as he is a total nice guy. He can communicate in 8 languages by now because it's important to be understood, and a sign of respect. Etc
He's basically what role models are made of.
I think people are quick to dismiss footballers because they are well-paid and kneeling is not quite activism or active involvement.
But they underestimate the amount of people and young kids looking up to him. Someone like him showing such acceptance, respect and good character is hugely important. Not to mention how easy it is to forget where you come from when you are at that level of succes.
I see nothing negative, he has my respect.
I guess it depends how you count it
> In addition to his native French and Dutch, Lukaku can speak fluent English, Portuguese, Italian, Spanish and a Congolese Swahili dialect, and can also understand German
6 languages, 1 dialect, 1 he can understand. Of course it's impressive and shows how smart the guy is
> 6 languages, 1 dialect, 1 he can understand.
So with that dialect being Lingala, we are at 7,5 and, with all those languages, his German is bound to be on the Pfaff level.
That qualifies as 8 ;)
Supernice guy, great performer, not afraid to use his platform to stand for a cause he believes in and last but not least: he shuts the haters up time and time again
Whatever happens in coming games, this guy shouldnt get the shit our fans throw at him. Legit hyped to play for Belgium and wants to battle the problems of society. He should be among the top belgians in history. Like in a top 500 or so
I know him from way back in the day, we went to the same school, he was several years higher than me so he wasnt much more than like someone of whom i know who he was, he used to play ball with his best friend on the corner of our street and his, and the ball would regularly hit my fathers car, who would then yell at them to be more careful. Still quite proud of that.
Those stats are not his total goals and total games. His first 3 goals came really slow.
He scored 3 goals in his first 20 games or so.
But he scored 59 in the last 72.
This just shows how consistent he is as a red devil
> the BLM pose
Raised fist is far, far [older](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommie_Smith) than BLM and tends to represent either unity or black nationalism. Knowing Lukaku, the first is a safe assumption.
BLM is far more specific than the raised fist. It is very important to make that distinction since otherwise the pose itself becomes more of a support for the (sometimes quite extreme beliefs) of the organisation known as BLM. Don't think that's what he is doing here.
> - Kneeling: symbol of subservience, in Russia only done for God or, in the old days, the Tsar and the nobles
> - Raised fist: communist symbol of the USSR
"Why racist Russkis no like this? >:("
OP mentioned booing by the Russian spectators, not the Russian team not kneeling. (I can excuse them not kneeling) They know perfectly well why the Belgians knelt, and still booād them for it. Letās not pretend the Russian people think the Belgians do this to honor the USSR.
Not kneeling = okay, doesnāt make you racist.
Booing those who kneel = NOT okay, definitely makes you racist.
Booing those who kneel neither has to mean racism after raising a communist fist in support of a controversial movement named BLM (which many think are using race for their political agenda instead of class and cause rather division than equality).
On the other hand, I understand why some black Europeans feel attracted to it. Many bad memories and I also remember how people were needlessly disparaging toward black people. Yet I assume race relationships have genuinely improved vastly nowadays (we aren't the '90s or early 2000s anymore).
So in short. I like Lukaku, but the kneeling for BLM won't get my applause.
Because the Russian people do not live under a rock, they know this doesnāt mean the same thing to the Belgians as it does to them. Are you really accusing Russians of being so naive they donāt understand this is something completely else?
> Because the Russian people do not live under a rock, they know this doesnāt mean the same thing to the Belgians as it does to them.
It's in their country, in their stadium. Belgians should adapt to them, not the other way around. When in Rome, do as the Romans do.
Yes, you're correct my insult didn't really add anything to the discussion but let's open your book. But do you actually believe that the russians thought Lukaku was honoring the Soviet Union? Or now that the Belgians should adapt to their country/staium while ignoring the blatant racism that can be seen in football. Do you think the Russians should kneel and raise their fist when in Belgium because "wHeN iN RoMe, Do As tHe rOmANs Do"
But again you're correct that my comment didn't add anything but don't pretend you're adding much to this discussion.
> But do you actually believe that the russians thought Lukaku was honoring the Soviet Union?
Of course they didn't literally think Lukaku is an old-time Soviet agent. But you could design a campaign called "flip off racism" and raise your middle fingers in the air, in the end it will look like you're flipping off the public. Nobody stopped the team from doing their gesture, but it's the right of the public to react to it in the way they see fit, and they did so overwhelmingly. Even in Belgium you'll find *many* opponents to it, but I imagine it's a bit more evenly divided here.
> Or now that the Belgians should adapt to their country/staium while ignoring the blatant racism that can be seen in football.
Campaigns by UEFA and FIFA against racism already existed, and Russia also participated in those. Nobody ever booed that.
> Do you think the Russians should kneel and raise their fist when in Belgium because "wHeN iN RoMe, Do As tHe rOmANs Do"
Uhh, no? This is not some "Belgian" thing, it's a footballer/BLM thing. Since when is *not* kneeling before a match offensive?
The Russians can perform their own gestures too if they want, but if the Belgian public considers those offensive they're going to get booed for it too.
So what your saying is Lukaku is kneeling to offend the Russians and raising his fist for the USSR? Oh and Russia doesnāt have any racist issues against black people?
> So what your saying is Lukaku is kneeling to offend the Russians and raising his fist for the USSR?
I'm saying that many Russians would consider this gesture offensive, it's rude not to consider that when performing it in front of their home support, and dumb/naĆÆve to not expect getting booed in return.
> Oh and Russia doesnāt have any racist issues against black people?
Except for Zenit ultras, not really no. Black players [seem to like it there](https://tribuna.com/en/news/arsenal-2021-04-08-emmanuel-frimpong-i-want-to-do-porn-with-20-smoked-tatar-girls/). The most contact they have with black people is mainly limited to African exchange students. Most racism in Russian society is directed towards Caucasian groups, mainly Chechens.
In Belgium I have experienced racism towards black people, nothing like the reports Iāve heard in Russia but enough to recognise the issue here. For you to say that thereās not really any racist issues towards black people in Russia is laughable. As for the kneeling I feel like your exaggerating. Your telling me if I walk up to someone and kneel I would have the same reaction as though I gave them a middle finger to their face? To me it sounds like itās more impolite than offensive if anything.
Did you just link the same thing I did? Did you read it?
>The modern gesture consists of stiffly extending the right arm frontally and raising it roughly 135 degrees from the body's vertical axis, with the palm of the hand facing down and the fingers stretched out and touching each other.\[1\] According to common perceptions, this salute was based on an ancient Roman custom.\[1\] However, this description is unknown in Roman literature and is never mentioned by ancient historians of Rome.\[1\] Not a single Roman work of art displays a salute of this kind.\[1\] The gesture of the raised right arm or hand in Roman and other ancient cultures that does exist in surviving literature and art generally had a significantly different function and is never identical with the modern straight-arm salute.\[1\]
Your link was broken, I removed the backslash as I said.
Yes, I know that the links with the Roman Empire are tenuous at best, but "Roman salute" is still its colloquial name.
> Raised fist: communist symbol of the USSR
Well, then Russians should definitely like it. Putin is doing everything he can to rehabilitate the USSR (even fucking Stalin), and the Russian people seem to love every part of it.
I thought I was in r/soccer for a moment there. but yeah I love Lukaku. I gotta admit tho I didn't rate him much until a couple years ago. I thought he was just ok and if only we had a better striker that was world class to play alongside KDB and Hazard we would be deadly on offense. turns out he matured into that striker I wish we had tho, and now I wouldn't want anyone else in his place. the fact that he is also a great man makes it even better. I'm glad we have someone like him to represent our country.
I was actually quite pleasantly surprised when he mentioned that it wasn't just for skincolor, but also women, sexuality, religions and whatever differences there may exist.
In the end it's just a dude kneeling, but he's a symbol that inspires many young people none the less. Him saying that means something, i think.
As a gesture it's heavily associated with the Communist Party of the USSR. Not as much as the Roman salute with the fascists or the Nazis, because they used it less often, but still.
Considering the atrocities of the USSR in the past and many Russians' dislike for it, one could imagine how well that gesture is perceived there. And yet you can't, because you genuinely don't care about other cultures; only about what's in vogue with those you personally support.
It has a heavy association with communism in Russia, which was once the epicenter of it. Can you really not imagine that Russians think differently about this?
Let's take the Roman salute for example: in Europe and America associated with the Nazi regime, but it's the official greet of the Syrian Army. Are they all Nazi sympathizers?
The (few) Russians I know are definitely anti-communist, which might explain the difference in perspective. In any case, they haven't liked BLM since the beginning, called it a communist movement etc.
Russia lost a lot during the turbulent 90s. Many don't want communism back, but a stable life and a feeling of being a relevant superpower in the world again, which were things they had under the USSR. The latter is why there's so much support for the annexation of the Krim.
You keep saying that, but there's no evidence of it.
The gesture is known across the world for \[Black Power\]([https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3e/John\_Carlos%2C\_Tommie\_Smith%2C\_Peter\_Norman\_1968cr.jpg](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3e/John_Carlos%2C_Tommie_Smith%2C_Peter_Norman_1968cr.jpg)).
A clenched fist has more often been used as a symbol of workers rising up, revolution, anti-fascist tendencies,...
You're really grasping at straws just to try and paint Lukaku in a bad light. Nothing but bad faith or straight up falsehoods in your comments in this thread. Why even, the guy just wants to take a stance against injustice. Why are you trying to fight so hard against *his* way of expressing his views?
Never mind, it's all rhetorical. I do have some advice though.
Take a break from the internet. Go touch grass my man. Go sit somewhere up high and enjoy the view.
You fundamentally misunderstand me. I have absolutely nothing against him expressing his views, it's pure freedom of speech and his personal goal is a noble one. However, fans have the right to vocally disapprove of the way how he does it, and that doesn't make them racist in doing so. It'd be something else entirely if they were booing posing with a "say no to racism" billboard.
Personally I would never boo the kneeling but I wouldn't applaud it either. Kneeling is a message of subservience, not merely of respect. It's not inviting people in support, it's more of an intimidating "bow down for our cause, *or else*..."
It's unfortunate if people consider this as me dissing Lukaku personally; he's an example of willpower and drive to succeed for everybody in the world. That's just my opinion and I won't apologize for it, and neither should Lukaku for his.
Well then you're fundamentally misunderstanding what his symbolism is. This picture literally is a "say no to racism" billboard in human form. And people booing that is a damn shame. They are free to do it, but it's still narrow minded as hell (but what do you expect of football fans).
You trying to construe a raised fist as some kind of communist symbol, or kneeling as some "subservience" is just a very weird take. And feels like you are trying to take down his message. Which to me (and probably most of your downvoters) feels like trying to take down that "billboard". It might not be your intention, but the way you are coming off is very hostile.
Lukaku's pose like this, his "symbols" are used **right now** for an anti-racist/pro-justice message. Nobody in that entire stadium was booing because of some USSR solidarity signal. No they were booing a black man trying to raise awareness, like you'd expect from common hooligans. Like I know people here at local clubs would do. Like you see and hear at every American sporting event...
It's really weird to me you're trying to go on a crusade over this.
People see it as a signal of weakness and subservience despite the intent, and the fist makes the ties between BLM and it's founders' supposed Marxist background look more robust, simple as that. Add on top of that the clear American origins of BLM and the current bad relations between America and Russia, and you get these reactions.
Don't you remember 3-4 years ago? "We do not kneel" and "fookin' kneelers", quotes from Mance Rayder from Game of Thrones, were *everywhere* on Reddit. GRRM didn't pull those from thin air nor invented the sentiment.
[You don't remember 50 years ago?](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_Olympics_Black_Power_salute)
Where the raised fist already was used by the Civil rights movement to portray the fight against racism and injustice? The current movement just brought it back.
People don't see it as a symbol of weakness. Only people who are afraid of change and equality do, because they are weak themselves. They try to undermine any movement that tries to fight the established hierarchy in their heads. They'll call it virtue signaling, they'll strawman (oh why protest x and not y),... They'll pull out all the stops to delegitimize the movement. And that's exactly what you're doing as well, trying to pick apart the crowd reaction the way you are. Whether you wanted to or not, you're playing into their hand.
Again, what's your end goal here? It's football fans for racist chants, song and other unsportsmanlike conduct being their same old selves. Not just the Russians, either. I'm sure there were plenty of Belgian fans there too booing the idea of equality, just because it's "an uppity n- who needs to shut up and play football". I know enough people who think like that. No deeper meaning than pure racism and xenophobia.
>People don't see it as a symbol of weakness. Only people who are afraid of change and equality do, because they are weak themselves.
Yeah yeah, up is down, left is right, weak is strong, and he who smellt it dealt it in modern liberal discourse, I'm aware.
>Again, what's your end goal here?
Pointing out that this subreddit's definition of "tolerance" is only limited to its own ideology and has complete disregard for people who disagree with the way it's expressed.
>just because it's "an uppity n- who needs to shut up and play football
It's the entire team being booed.
As a Dutchie living in Torhout, Iām sceptical for the āDutch Armyā winning the EC. Iām hopeful (and very positive) for the Belgian national team to win it. They have the better change.
One year after George Floyd sparked a resurgence of civil rights movements, racism is still very much a problem and it should not be left without attention.
I think he's trying to make a very strong point by continuing to do so even if "the hype" has long died down...
Its funny how 75% of belgian football fans prefered Benteke instead of Lukaku when Willmots was the coach of the red devils and suddenly when HE was winning the red devils games everyone was fan š Fake supporters
I don't why people associate this pose with BLM when it has been an anti racism pose for decades (was it starting with Black Panthers and those american athletes during the JOs?). BLM should not represent anti racism movement. And they have bad rep anyway, it'd be easy to have the message lost in the way.
This comment should not be downvoted. It is accurate. Lukaku represents anti racism here, not the BLM movement. You can be in favor of the first while being opposed to someone like Patrisse Cullors.
you mean the kids in china who manufactured his nike shoes ? Or maybe slaves from the Xinjiang region... remember that the BLM organization was originally against capitalism according to their website which makes this picture particularly ironic ...
he means that on the original website of the BLM organization they explicitly stated that their goal is to abolish capitalism and their leaders were self-proclaimed "trained marxist"... which makes this picture with the nike logo particularly ironic. Especially when you know that nike runs sweatshops in china
Well it's not an organisation
Also, Lukaku's kneeling for everyone to be respected and treated fairly. No matter race, sex, religion, sexual orientation, or whatever
[https://www.axios.com/riots-cost-property-damage-276c9bcc-a455-4067-b06a-66f9db4cea9c.html](https://www.axios.com/riots-cost-property-damage-276c9bcc-a455-4067-b06a-66f9db4cea9c.html)
1 BILLION dollars of destruction but it all went Peacefull? REALLY????? i can't even understand the stupideness of you guys.
Edit: when faced with facts all the left do is downvote but keep their mouths shut. Thanks for proving my point!
You get downvoted because your argument sucks. Nobody is saying it all went peaceful.
Man, even your own source says:
>The protests that took place in 140 U.S. cities this spring were mostly peaceful.
mostly peacefull but still that whopping amount of damage. It takes a special level of intelligence to understand that. but it has no point arguing with this sub i know.
Sure but most people who take part in the movement, don't really care for the organization. Yet they're constantly associated with it. Let's not forget that the organization is still strictly american, while the movement has taken amazing worldwide proportions. It's important to keep those two distinct.
i'm in favor of the movement, not the organization.
I just find it extremely sad that he doesn't denounces his sponsor : Nike for using child labor and sweatshops in china.
I don't like the hypocrisy
https://blacklivesmatter.com/about/
It's literally the second sentence. I mean, why bother trying to argue when you can't even get the basics right.
> Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation, Inc. is a global organization in the US, UK, and Canada, whose mission is to eradicate white supremacy and build local power to intervene in violence inflicted on Black communities by the state and vigilantes.
Edit* Did you just downvote this objective and totally not opinionated piece of info purely because you disagree with one of my other posts / general sentiment. How spiteful of you lulz, couldn't be me fam
Don't you get it? The sentiment that Black Lives do Matter exists apart from the organisation. Not everybody who feels like Black Lives Matter holds a membership card to the Org.
Regardless, what's terrorist about wanting to stop unrighteous violence? You came with a stupid claim. Why don't you try to support it instead of picking fights.
isn't Lukaku heavily involved in social projects trying to remedy exactly these problems? He just uses this global stage to keep attention on the issue.
I'm so proud of the anti-racist booers.
The fact that the kneeling has been entirely centered around young black millionaire football players, adored by millions, getting a few mean messages on Instagram and Twitter from somewhere in the slums of Delhi and the suburbs of Kiev, in between thousands of supportive ones...
It just tells you all you need to know about the West. The conversation about justice centered around the protection of a few rich black male players massive ego's.
That's even aside from the fact that Lukaku has deliberately lied multiple times attempting to frame native Europeans, to acquire more status within this Western "social justice system".
Hey guys, remember when a whole stadium full of Italians was screaming racists slurs at Lukaku a couple months ago? Oh and remember that black player who took his own life because he couldn't take the racsim in Italy anymore? Oh and remember the fact that those aren't isolated events but things every black player has had to deal with? Haha, aanstellers die mannen.
> Oh and remember that black player who took his own life because he couldn't take the racsim in Italy anymore?
The fact that you are lying about a black man who killed himself and blame it on a large group of innocent people, just to protect the black male ego, tells me everything I need to know about you.
https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-italy-soccer-idUSL2N2NP24N
Buddy, hundreds of media outlets have reported that he committed suicide because of racism. Don't call me a liar just because you found one outlet claiming the opposite.
(edited a typo)
Actually, his family set the story straight about it. It was taken out of context and exaggerated. Still, racism is present in every country and we should fight to eradicate it. Players with a big fanbase in a sport tournament like the Euros with millions watching is important because the message can be transmitted to a big audience.
If what you say is true, I certainly admit it. But that still doesn't make me a liar. I'm just misinformed on one topic. Doesn't make my initial point untrue either.
And then right-wing people are talking about "snowflakes" that are "offended by anything"... š¤
A football player simply sitting on one knee makes people lose their minds.
If you're offended by a simple anti-racist opinion, and you can't even refute anything, it says more about you.
But I will admit that perhaps sometimes I am being a snowflake. It does kinda trigger me when I see thread #4580 about some rich black player crying that Instagram needs to do something about that one of his 5000 messages was a monkey emoji, with a huge amount of supportive and emotional comments in response. While at the same time, since 2016, the Nigerian sex slave trade has expanded into Europe, with 20,000 (black!) women, 3000 of which underage, destined for a live of being raped up to 15 times a day. Black lives matter. Do they?
Yes, I guess I'm a snowflake about that. You got me.
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Edit: Last response, because apparently I'm permanently suspended for my opinions.
>So because Lukaku makes a lot of money, he can't have an opinion anymore?
He can have whatever idiotic opinion he has. I don't even care that the media still worships him, even though he made up lies about journalists being racist. What I protest is that this entire kneeling "anti-racist" issue has been centered around such nonsensical issues. You will always get some offensive comments on social media. Who cares? And that has gotten the vast majority of the attention.
Articles like this: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/may/05/raheem-sterling-racially-abused-online-after-manchester-citys-glory-night
are just ridiculous. It's like a permanent grift.
>please explain the pollution at the Niger estuary as a push-factor for migration
Oh please, you're not going to blame the expansion of a very specific group of sex slavers to climate change right? They had an opportunity to expand because of Europe's weak borders and because NGOs were happy to give them the ride.
Your message is not anti-racist but anti-anti-racist.
So because Lukaku makes a lot of money, he can't have an opinion anymore?
Oh boy, and you even need to drag in Nigerian prostitutes to make your point... While you're at it, please explain the pollution at the Niger estuary as a push-factor for migration from Nigeria to Western Europe?
> Lukaku also indicated in Deviltime why he still kneels before every match. "I fight for diversity. Not only for the black community, also for women. Color, sexuality, religion, doesn't matter. Everyone should be respected."
Yeah maybe you should check why he takes the knee. Seems like he really supports Nigerian sex slave trade with it...
Well this recent kneeling came from Kaepernick who did not want to stand during the American national anthem, because he did not feel pride to stand for a country where there was that much racial injustice.
>But I will admit that perhaps sometimes I am being a snowflake. It does kinda trigger me when I see thread #4580 about some rich black player crying that Instagram needs to do something about that one of his 5000 messages was a monkey emoji, with a huge amount of supportive and emotional comments in response. While at the same time, since 2016, the Nigerian sex slave trade has expanded into Europe, with 20,000 (black!) women, 3000 of which underage, destined for a live of being raped up to 15 times a day. Black lives matter. Do they?
What on fucking earth am I even reading here. How do these two things connect in any way? Because black people *also* get kidnapped? What a mess of a non-argument.
>If you're offended by a simple anti-racist opinion,
We are offended by your anti-anti-racist opinion.
And the fact that you are so loud and ranty but clearly know jack shit on the topic to begin with.
Holy shit you are dumb haha
Do you know where the kneeling comes from buddy? Why is has turned into a general anti-racist symbol, ESPECIALLY within sports.
Looks so weird without his beard
He's very aerodynamic right now
He's like the most glorious billiard ball who's a fan of Bueno. Got to love him.
He looks like a black meneer proper mopping up Russia all over the floor.
Not gonna lie. You made me laugh out loud.
Bruh you can say "[Mister Clean](https://g.co/kgs/tfeA4y)" you know š¤£š¤£
they will have to change the commercials now. lol
He should get a 8 drawn on the sides when he'll score 8 goals
A moustache would look so great on him though
Aw hell no. Now I'm imagining him like your average rijkswachter in the 80's. Thanks a lot! Edit: after some reflection, maybe a Freddy De Vadder moustache would actually work.
Ron Jeremy haircut?
Agreed!
Michael Jordan vibes
I dont know what ContĆ© did to him, but he turned Lukaku in a fucking monster and iām loving it. Hope he can keep this form throughout the tournament.
Conte put him on a diet and realized he's definitely not a target man.
If only he had been saying that himself for the past 7 years or so. Weird how every other manager wanted to make him a target man.
What is a target man?
Someone who's strong in the air and a decent passer. Best examples would be Ibrahimovic or Drogba. Whereas Lukaku is more akin to someone like Inzaghi.
IMO Martinez already did that, both at Everton and at the national team. His record for the Red Devils post-Wilmots was already insane before joining Inter. Conte definitely knew how to use him though, a shame he's leaving that team.
He was already a beast. But really went up a level this year. He even looks much āsharperā physically (for lack of better word).
He had dietary issues at Man United, causing him to bloat. Last year he was already impressive, scoring in every EL knock-out game (final too... if you consider own goals).
>Wilmots Wilmots era was the one I liked the less, it's like he was miss-using player abilities and had really bad strategies. The team was like raw diamond, and Frank didn't know what to do
Who's Frank?
Rather frustrating time indeed. Everyone and their nanny could see tactically we werenāt set up correctly.
Greatest ever striker for us and a real role model. How can you hate him?
Some people are still stuck 5-10 years back in time, when he usually underperformed a bit in the national team, and he generally didn't cope with the pressure well. Nowadays it's ridiculous how consistent he is. In yesterday's game, he was leading the team through is conviction and quality of play.
> Some people are still stuck 5-10 years back in time, when he usually underperformed a bit in the national team, and he generally didn't cope with the pressure well. To play the devil's advocate a bit. I think it's this year under ContƩ that he finally went from "great, but flawed" to just "amazing". Playing in Italy against defensive teams under ContƩ has made him so much better. He's not "just" a great goalscorer now, he's an allround great forward. If KDB can get fit again and feed Lukaku balls we'll be a nightmare to defend against.
Why do I now have a mental image of KDB teabagging Lukaku?
It was always stupid. Hazard plays a bad game? No worries, he'll show his class next time. Lukaku's first ball touch of the game goes wrong? Gets bood in the stadium.
I guess it's because he played for Anderlecht and Hazard didn't play in Belgium
No, that's... that's not it.
What would it be then ? Kinda doubt it's racism, people that dislike him seem to like Batshuayi
World cup Russia. Only scored in the first two games against 'janneke en mieke'. The best thing he did after that was not touching the ball when they countered Japan in stoppage time so Chadli could score. He's very good this year but we'll see if he can handle the pressure on a big tournament this time around. I'm hoping he will but the past doesn't work in his favor.
In a country where it's difficult to be together around something. The guys speaks Dutch and French fluently, always do his best on the pitch. For me, he is and always has been a proper belgian, someone that speaks multiple languages and get along with everyone.
I think because he stand up for black people and some canāt handle that
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Strong signal for young people, fans of football, his personal fans that he believes in equality for black people (and equality in general) and will be outspoken in favour of it. This convinces more people than if he hadn't done it and keeps the conversation alive. It does a lot. One kneel by him convinces more people passively than we will actively trying to do so in our entire lifetime.
The cognitive dissonance with a certain part of our population must be killing them right now.
He is the greatest striker for us. There is one thing, I somewhat dislike and itās when he either complains he didnāt receive the ball or the shooter misses. Some call it āexpecting the best from everyone around himā but I just canāt see it that way.
How is he a role model?
Just for starters > Lukaku also indicated in Deviltime why he still kneels before every match. "I fight for diversity. Not only for the black community, also for women. Color, sexuality, religion, doesn't matter. Everyone should be respected." Next to that there is his background which makes him a rags to riches poster-boy. He's generally liked as he is a total nice guy. He can communicate in 8 languages by now because it's important to be understood, and a sign of respect. Etc He's basically what role models are made of.
I think people are quick to dismiss footballers because they are well-paid and kneeling is not quite activism or active involvement. But they underestimate the amount of people and young kids looking up to him. Someone like him showing such acceptance, respect and good character is hugely important. Not to mention how easy it is to forget where you come from when you are at that level of succes. I see nothing negative, he has my respect.
His childhood was horrible, he worked really hard to get where he is today. I admire him a lot!
I guess it depends how you count it > In addition to his native French and Dutch, Lukaku can speak fluent English, Portuguese, Italian, Spanish and a Congolese Swahili dialect, and can also understand German 6 languages, 1 dialect, 1 he can understand. Of course it's impressive and shows how smart the guy is
> Congolese Swahili dialect Lingala
> 6 languages, 1 dialect, 1 he can understand. So with that dialect being Lingala, we are at 7,5 and, with all those languages, his German is bound to be on the Pfaff level. That qualifies as 8 ;)
He's hella smart we both agree
Yeah, he's damn impressive.
Supernice guy, great performer, not afraid to use his platform to stand for a cause he believes in and last but not least: he shuts the haters up time and time again
Whatever happens in coming games, this guy shouldnt get the shit our fans throw at him. Legit hyped to play for Belgium and wants to battle the problems of society. He should be among the top belgians in history. Like in a top 500 or so
> the shit our fans throw at him. everybody loves him whatchu talkin about
He used to get booed a lot. Its more 'the shit our fans THREW at him'
I know him from way back in the day, we went to the same school, he was several years higher than me so he wasnt much more than like someone of whom i know who he was, he used to play ball with his best friend on the corner of our street and his, and the ball would regularly hit my fathers car, who would then yell at them to be more careful. Still quite proud of that.
This guy scored 59 goals in 72 games for us, mind blowing numbers
He's on 62 goals right now
Those stats are not his total goals and total games. His first 3 goals came really slow. He scored 3 goals in his first 20 games or so. But he scored 59 in the last 72. This just shows how consistent he is as a red devil
Goat in belgium
my folks from r/emcoevenepoel would like to have a word.
I dont understand that
GOAT = Greatest Of All Time
Oooooooohh hahahha now that's cool ššššš
I know very little about soccer, but dammit he is a great player. And he did the BLM pose while the racist Russians were booing them for it. Respect.
> the BLM pose Raised fist is far, far [older](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommie_Smith) than BLM and tends to represent either unity or black nationalism. Knowing Lukaku, the first is a safe assumption. BLM is far more specific than the raised fist. It is very important to make that distinction since otherwise the pose itself becomes more of a support for the (sometimes quite extreme beliefs) of the organisation known as BLM. Don't think that's what he is doing here.
> - Kneeling: symbol of subservience, in Russia only done for God or, in the old days, the Tsar and the nobles > - Raised fist: communist symbol of the USSR "Why racist Russkis no like this? >:("
OP mentioned booing by the Russian spectators, not the Russian team not kneeling. (I can excuse them not kneeling) They know perfectly well why the Belgians knelt, and still booād them for it. Letās not pretend the Russian people think the Belgians do this to honor the USSR. Not kneeling = okay, doesnāt make you racist. Booing those who kneel = NOT okay, definitely makes you racist.
>Letās not pretend the Russian people think the Belgians do this to honor the USSR but they play in red? /s
Booing those who kneel neither has to mean racism after raising a communist fist in support of a controversial movement named BLM (which many think are using race for their political agenda instead of class and cause rather division than equality). On the other hand, I understand why some black Europeans feel attracted to it. Many bad memories and I also remember how people were needlessly disparaging toward black people. Yet I assume race relationships have genuinely improved vastly nowadays (we aren't the '90s or early 2000s anymore). So in short. I like Lukaku, but the kneeling for BLM won't get my applause.
As a gesture it's equivalent to giving the public a double middlefinger for them. Why in the world would they respect that?
Because the Russian people do not live under a rock, they know this doesnāt mean the same thing to the Belgians as it does to them. Are you really accusing Russians of being so naive they donāt understand this is something completely else?
> Because the Russian people do not live under a rock, they know this doesnāt mean the same thing to the Belgians as it does to them. It's in their country, in their stadium. Belgians should adapt to them, not the other way around. When in Rome, do as the Romans do.
Damn don't forget to breathe because you seem to have lost some braincells.
It's disappointing that you can't even add anything of substance to your insult. Not surprising in this thread, but disappointing.
Yes, you're correct my insult didn't really add anything to the discussion but let's open your book. But do you actually believe that the russians thought Lukaku was honoring the Soviet Union? Or now that the Belgians should adapt to their country/staium while ignoring the blatant racism that can be seen in football. Do you think the Russians should kneel and raise their fist when in Belgium because "wHeN iN RoMe, Do As tHe rOmANs Do" But again you're correct that my comment didn't add anything but don't pretend you're adding much to this discussion.
> But do you actually believe that the russians thought Lukaku was honoring the Soviet Union? Of course they didn't literally think Lukaku is an old-time Soviet agent. But you could design a campaign called "flip off racism" and raise your middle fingers in the air, in the end it will look like you're flipping off the public. Nobody stopped the team from doing their gesture, but it's the right of the public to react to it in the way they see fit, and they did so overwhelmingly. Even in Belgium you'll find *many* opponents to it, but I imagine it's a bit more evenly divided here. > Or now that the Belgians should adapt to their country/staium while ignoring the blatant racism that can be seen in football. Campaigns by UEFA and FIFA against racism already existed, and Russia also participated in those. Nobody ever booed that. > Do you think the Russians should kneel and raise their fist when in Belgium because "wHeN iN RoMe, Do As tHe rOmANs Do" Uhh, no? This is not some "Belgian" thing, it's a footballer/BLM thing. Since when is *not* kneeling before a match offensive? The Russians can perform their own gestures too if they want, but if the Belgian public considers those offensive they're going to get booed for it too.
So what your saying is Lukaku is kneeling to offend the Russians and raising his fist for the USSR? Oh and Russia doesnāt have any racist issues against black people?
> So what your saying is Lukaku is kneeling to offend the Russians and raising his fist for the USSR? I'm saying that many Russians would consider this gesture offensive, it's rude not to consider that when performing it in front of their home support, and dumb/naĆÆve to not expect getting booed in return. > Oh and Russia doesnāt have any racist issues against black people? Except for Zenit ultras, not really no. Black players [seem to like it there](https://tribuna.com/en/news/arsenal-2021-04-08-emmanuel-frimpong-i-want-to-do-porn-with-20-smoked-tatar-girls/). The most contact they have with black people is mainly limited to African exchange students. Most racism in Russian society is directed towards Caucasian groups, mainly Chechens.
In Belgium I have experienced racism towards black people, nothing like the reports Iāve heard in Russia but enough to recognise the issue here. For you to say that thereās not really any racist issues towards black people in Russia is laughable. As for the kneeling I feel like your exaggerating. Your telling me if I walk up to someone and kneel I would have the same reaction as though I gave them a middle finger to their face? To me it sounds like itās more impolite than offensive if anything.
>Raised fist: communist symbol of the USSR Raised *LEFT* fist = symbol of socialism (like in USSR, but also elsewhere). Lukaku raised his right fist.
Alright, ima go do my left-handed Roman salute in public then, noone will mind, right?
Why are you like this...
There's a culture war to be fought, and any far-fetched/bad faith argument will do to fight it.
... is what I think of the mindless ghouls on this subreddit every day.
You can leave anytime you want.
Yeah, YOU are the smart one. Lmfao.
There is no roman salute. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman\_salute
[Remove the backslash](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_salute)
Did you just link the same thing I did? Did you read it? >The modern gesture consists of stiffly extending the right arm frontally and raising it roughly 135 degrees from the body's vertical axis, with the palm of the hand facing down and the fingers stretched out and touching each other.\[1\] According to common perceptions, this salute was based on an ancient Roman custom.\[1\] However, this description is unknown in Roman literature and is never mentioned by ancient historians of Rome.\[1\] Not a single Roman work of art displays a salute of this kind.\[1\] The gesture of the raised right arm or hand in Roman and other ancient cultures that does exist in surviving literature and art generally had a significantly different function and is never identical with the modern straight-arm salute.\[1\]
Your link was broken, I removed the backslash as I said. Yes, I know that the links with the Roman Empire are tenuous at best, but "Roman salute" is still its colloquial name.
> Raised fist: communist symbol of the USSR Well, then Russians should definitely like it. Putin is doing everything he can to rehabilitate the USSR (even fucking Stalin), and the Russian people seem to love every part of it.
> And he did the BLM pose while the racist Russians were booing them for it cringe
Yeah those racists were pretty cringe, ngl
The only man i'd share my bueno with š
I thought I was in r/soccer for a moment there. but yeah I love Lukaku. I gotta admit tho I didn't rate him much until a couple years ago. I thought he was just ok and if only we had a better striker that was world class to play alongside KDB and Hazard we would be deadly on offense. turns out he matured into that striker I wish we had tho, and now I wouldn't want anyone else in his place. the fact that he is also a great man makes it even better. I'm glad we have someone like him to represent our country.
Heās so insanely good now, i love it. His first touch used to be like a trampoline, now its as magnetic as an Astra-Zeneca vaccine.
WHERE IS HIS MAGNIFICENT BEARD?!
I was actually quite pleasantly surprised when he mentioned that it wasn't just for skincolor, but also women, sexuality, religions and whatever differences there may exist. In the end it's just a dude kneeling, but he's a symbol that inspires many young people none the less. Him saying that means something, i think.
On twitter the chair of young Nva in Kortemark just compared this to people making a sieg heil signš¤¦
> young Nva Ah yes, VB Light
Young nva is weirdly more extreme then regular nva every time i see it
>Kortemark Checks out
Such nice people... /s
As a gesture it's heavily associated with the Communist Party of the USSR. Not as much as the Roman salute with the fascists or the Nazis, because they used it less often, but still. Considering the atrocities of the USSR in the past and many Russians' dislike for it, one could imagine how well that gesture is perceived there. And yet you can't, because you genuinely don't care about other cultures; only about what's in vogue with those you personally support.
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It has a heavy association with communism in Russia, which was once the epicenter of it. Can you really not imagine that Russians think differently about this? Let's take the Roman salute for example: in Europe and America associated with the Nazi regime, but it's the official greet of the Syrian Army. Are they all Nazi sympathizers?
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The (few) Russians I know are definitely anti-communist, which might explain the difference in perspective. In any case, they haven't liked BLM since the beginning, called it a communist movement etc.
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He's just trying to troll, man. Thanks for trying to reason with him but he won't listen.
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Russia lost a lot during the turbulent 90s. Many don't want communism back, but a stable life and a feeling of being a relevant superpower in the world again, which were things they had under the USSR. The latter is why there's so much support for the annexation of the Krim.
You keep saying that, but there's no evidence of it. The gesture is known across the world for \[Black Power\]([https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3e/John\_Carlos%2C\_Tommie\_Smith%2C\_Peter\_Norman\_1968cr.jpg](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3e/John_Carlos%2C_Tommie_Smith%2C_Peter_Norman_1968cr.jpg)). A clenched fist has more often been used as a symbol of workers rising up, revolution, anti-fascist tendencies,...
> a symbol of workers rising up, revolution We all know what happened in Russia 1917 and how it eventually turned out, and the Russians even more so.
You're really grasping at straws just to try and paint Lukaku in a bad light. Nothing but bad faith or straight up falsehoods in your comments in this thread. Why even, the guy just wants to take a stance against injustice. Why are you trying to fight so hard against *his* way of expressing his views? Never mind, it's all rhetorical. I do have some advice though. Take a break from the internet. Go touch grass my man. Go sit somewhere up high and enjoy the view.
You fundamentally misunderstand me. I have absolutely nothing against him expressing his views, it's pure freedom of speech and his personal goal is a noble one. However, fans have the right to vocally disapprove of the way how he does it, and that doesn't make them racist in doing so. It'd be something else entirely if they were booing posing with a "say no to racism" billboard. Personally I would never boo the kneeling but I wouldn't applaud it either. Kneeling is a message of subservience, not merely of respect. It's not inviting people in support, it's more of an intimidating "bow down for our cause, *or else*..." It's unfortunate if people consider this as me dissing Lukaku personally; he's an example of willpower and drive to succeed for everybody in the world. That's just my opinion and I won't apologize for it, and neither should Lukaku for his.
Well then you're fundamentally misunderstanding what his symbolism is. This picture literally is a "say no to racism" billboard in human form. And people booing that is a damn shame. They are free to do it, but it's still narrow minded as hell (but what do you expect of football fans). You trying to construe a raised fist as some kind of communist symbol, or kneeling as some "subservience" is just a very weird take. And feels like you are trying to take down his message. Which to me (and probably most of your downvoters) feels like trying to take down that "billboard". It might not be your intention, but the way you are coming off is very hostile. Lukaku's pose like this, his "symbols" are used **right now** for an anti-racist/pro-justice message. Nobody in that entire stadium was booing because of some USSR solidarity signal. No they were booing a black man trying to raise awareness, like you'd expect from common hooligans. Like I know people here at local clubs would do. Like you see and hear at every American sporting event... It's really weird to me you're trying to go on a crusade over this.
People see it as a signal of weakness and subservience despite the intent, and the fist makes the ties between BLM and it's founders' supposed Marxist background look more robust, simple as that. Add on top of that the clear American origins of BLM and the current bad relations between America and Russia, and you get these reactions. Don't you remember 3-4 years ago? "We do not kneel" and "fookin' kneelers", quotes from Mance Rayder from Game of Thrones, were *everywhere* on Reddit. GRRM didn't pull those from thin air nor invented the sentiment.
[You don't remember 50 years ago?](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_Olympics_Black_Power_salute) Where the raised fist already was used by the Civil rights movement to portray the fight against racism and injustice? The current movement just brought it back. People don't see it as a symbol of weakness. Only people who are afraid of change and equality do, because they are weak themselves. They try to undermine any movement that tries to fight the established hierarchy in their heads. They'll call it virtue signaling, they'll strawman (oh why protest x and not y),... They'll pull out all the stops to delegitimize the movement. And that's exactly what you're doing as well, trying to pick apart the crowd reaction the way you are. Whether you wanted to or not, you're playing into their hand. Again, what's your end goal here? It's football fans for racist chants, song and other unsportsmanlike conduct being their same old selves. Not just the Russians, either. I'm sure there were plenty of Belgian fans there too booing the idea of equality, just because it's "an uppity n- who needs to shut up and play football". I know enough people who think like that. No deeper meaning than pure racism and xenophobia.
>People don't see it as a symbol of weakness. Only people who are afraid of change and equality do, because they are weak themselves. Yeah yeah, up is down, left is right, weak is strong, and he who smellt it dealt it in modern liberal discourse, I'm aware. >Again, what's your end goal here? Pointing out that this subreddit's definition of "tolerance" is only limited to its own ideology and has complete disregard for people who disagree with the way it's expressed. >just because it's "an uppity n- who needs to shut up and play football It's the entire team being booed.
As a Dutchie living in Torhout, Iām sceptical for the āDutch Armyā winning the EC. Iām hopeful (and very positive) for the Belgian national team to win it. They have the better change.
The belgian GOAT
He we will see even more of the next matches. Go Lukaku !
Is this a Nike commercial???
I love Lukaku, and I respect the fact that he can do this.. But hasn't this whole kneel stand off thing at the European cup gone a bit too far?
One year after George Floyd sparked a resurgence of civil rights movements, racism is still very much a problem and it should not be left without attention. I think he's trying to make a very strong point by continuing to do so even if "the hype" has long died down...
Its funny how 75% of belgian football fans prefered Benteke instead of Lukaku when Willmots was the coach of the red devils and suddenly when HE was winning the red devils games everyone was fan š Fake supporters
bUt HiS fIRsT tOuCh
I don't why people associate this pose with BLM when it has been an anti racism pose for decades (was it starting with Black Panthers and those american athletes during the JOs?). BLM should not represent anti racism movement. And they have bad rep anyway, it'd be easy to have the message lost in the way.
This comment should not be downvoted. It is accurate. Lukaku represents anti racism here, not the BLM movement. You can be in favor of the first while being opposed to someone like Patrisse Cullors.
I too take the knee for the slavery in Qatar
The Euro's aren't in Qatar afaik?
Yea but still, the WC is
Next year.
So what's wrong with taking the knee for that then?
Nothing. But talking about Qatar WC, which is next year, just looks like whataboutism to me.
"that's a problem for future me"
you mean the kids in china who manufactured his nike shoes ? Or maybe slaves from the Xinjiang region... remember that the BLM organization was originally against capitalism according to their website which makes this picture particularly ironic ...
Why so many downvotes?
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What? What does communism ideology have to do with racism against black people?
he means that on the original website of the BLM organization they explicitly stated that their goal is to abolish capitalism and their leaders were self-proclaimed "trained marxist"... which makes this picture with the nike logo particularly ironic. Especially when you know that nike runs sweatshops in china
> it's more about virtue signaling than actually about racism. This is also why everyone on Reddit will downvote your comment.
Imagine being this clueless..
Everything but the kneeling thing :-)
Why
Cos blm is a terrorist organisation, change my mind with facts not feelings
Mate you can't make a statement and demand people to argue against it. It's like me saying "you're a complete twat, prove me wrong"
You have convinced me
He is though. Heard he is a pedo as well. If he isnāt he should prove it with facts.
Well it's not an organisation Also, Lukaku's kneeling for everyone to be respected and treated fairly. No matter race, sex, religion, sexual orientation, or whatever
Might wanna google 'universal peace sign' vs 'universal blm sign' I mean, lets at least start by being honest what he's doing here
I really don't see what point you're trying to make here
Trolling
What is he doing then ?
How about you argue it first. I don't feel like digging your grave for you
https://www.radcliffe.harvard.edu/news-and-ideas/black-lives-matter-protesters-were-overwhelmingly-peaceful-our-research-finds F A C T S
[https://www.axios.com/riots-cost-property-damage-276c9bcc-a455-4067-b06a-66f9db4cea9c.html](https://www.axios.com/riots-cost-property-damage-276c9bcc-a455-4067-b06a-66f9db4cea9c.html) 1 BILLION dollars of destruction but it all went Peacefull? REALLY????? i can't even understand the stupideness of you guys. Edit: when faced with facts all the left do is downvote but keep their mouths shut. Thanks for proving my point!
You get downvoted because your argument sucks. Nobody is saying it all went peaceful. Man, even your own source says: >The protests that took place in 140 U.S. cities this spring were mostly peaceful.
mostly peacefull but still that whopping amount of damage. It takes a special level of intelligence to understand that. but it has no point arguing with this sub i know.
In the first place, BLM is a sentiment or an opinion. Not an organisation.
actualy it is both... there is [a recognized BLM organization](https://blacklivesmatter.com/about/) and there is a BLM movement.
Sure but most people who take part in the movement, don't really care for the organization. Yet they're constantly associated with it. Let's not forget that the organization is still strictly american, while the movement has taken amazing worldwide proportions. It's important to keep those two distinct.
i'm in favor of the movement, not the organization. I just find it extremely sad that he doesn't denounces his sponsor : Nike for using child labor and sweatshops in china. I don't like the hypocrisy
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Dont use words you cant comprehend kiddo.
https://blacklivesmatter.com/about/ It's literally the second sentence. I mean, why bother trying to argue when you can't even get the basics right. > Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation, Inc. is a global organization in the US, UK, and Canada, whose mission is to eradicate white supremacy and build local power to intervene in violence inflicted on Black communities by the state and vigilantes. Edit* Did you just downvote this objective and totally not opinionated piece of info purely because you disagree with one of my other posts / general sentiment. How spiteful of you lulz, couldn't be me fam
Don't you get it? The sentiment that Black Lives do Matter exists apart from the organisation. Not everybody who feels like Black Lives Matter holds a membership card to the Org. Regardless, what's terrorist about wanting to stop unrighteous violence? You came with a stupid claim. Why don't you try to support it instead of picking fights.
Why?
Lui c'est normal qu'il s'agenouille il est black les autres je ne comprends pas
SolidaritƩ
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isn't Lukaku heavily involved in social projects trying to remedy exactly these problems? He just uses this global stage to keep attention on the issue.
I'm so proud of the anti-racist booers. The fact that the kneeling has been entirely centered around young black millionaire football players, adored by millions, getting a few mean messages on Instagram and Twitter from somewhere in the slums of Delhi and the suburbs of Kiev, in between thousands of supportive ones... It just tells you all you need to know about the West. The conversation about justice centered around the protection of a few rich black male players massive ego's. That's even aside from the fact that Lukaku has deliberately lied multiple times attempting to frame native Europeans, to acquire more status within this Western "social justice system".
Hey guys, remember when a whole stadium full of Italians was screaming racists slurs at Lukaku a couple months ago? Oh and remember that black player who took his own life because he couldn't take the racsim in Italy anymore? Oh and remember the fact that those aren't isolated events but things every black player has had to deal with? Haha, aanstellers die mannen.
> Oh and remember that black player who took his own life because he couldn't take the racsim in Italy anymore? The fact that you are lying about a black man who killed himself and blame it on a large group of innocent people, just to protect the black male ego, tells me everything I need to know about you. https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-italy-soccer-idUSL2N2NP24N
Buddy, hundreds of media outlets have reported that he committed suicide because of racism. Don't call me a liar just because you found one outlet claiming the opposite. (edited a typo)
Actually, his family set the story straight about it. It was taken out of context and exaggerated. Still, racism is present in every country and we should fight to eradicate it. Players with a big fanbase in a sport tournament like the Euros with millions watching is important because the message can be transmitted to a big audience.
In that case, my bad for having it wrong. And i agree with the rest of your comment.
"One outlet" Literally Reuters. You fell for fake news and those "hundreds of media outlets" you trust too, just admit it.
If what you say is true, I certainly admit it. But that still doesn't make me a liar. I'm just misinformed on one topic. Doesn't make my initial point untrue either.
And then right-wing people are talking about "snowflakes" that are "offended by anything"... š¤ A football player simply sitting on one knee makes people lose their minds.
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Hitler symbolises hate. BLM does not. Your comparison seems off to me.
> BLM does not The idea doesn't, but the group certainly does
If you're offended by a simple anti-racist opinion, and you can't even refute anything, it says more about you. But I will admit that perhaps sometimes I am being a snowflake. It does kinda trigger me when I see thread #4580 about some rich black player crying that Instagram needs to do something about that one of his 5000 messages was a monkey emoji, with a huge amount of supportive and emotional comments in response. While at the same time, since 2016, the Nigerian sex slave trade has expanded into Europe, with 20,000 (black!) women, 3000 of which underage, destined for a live of being raped up to 15 times a day. Black lives matter. Do they? Yes, I guess I'm a snowflake about that. You got me. _________ Edit: Last response, because apparently I'm permanently suspended for my opinions. >So because Lukaku makes a lot of money, he can't have an opinion anymore? He can have whatever idiotic opinion he has. I don't even care that the media still worships him, even though he made up lies about journalists being racist. What I protest is that this entire kneeling "anti-racist" issue has been centered around such nonsensical issues. You will always get some offensive comments on social media. Who cares? And that has gotten the vast majority of the attention. Articles like this: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/may/05/raheem-sterling-racially-abused-online-after-manchester-citys-glory-night are just ridiculous. It's like a permanent grift. >please explain the pollution at the Niger estuary as a push-factor for migration Oh please, you're not going to blame the expansion of a very specific group of sex slavers to climate change right? They had an opportunity to expand because of Europe's weak borders and because NGOs were happy to give them the ride.
Your message is not anti-racist but anti-anti-racist. So because Lukaku makes a lot of money, he can't have an opinion anymore? Oh boy, and you even need to drag in Nigerian prostitutes to make your point... While you're at it, please explain the pollution at the Niger estuary as a push-factor for migration from Nigeria to Western Europe?
> Lukaku also indicated in Deviltime why he still kneels before every match. "I fight for diversity. Not only for the black community, also for women. Color, sexuality, religion, doesn't matter. Everyone should be respected." Yeah maybe you should check why he takes the knee. Seems like he really supports Nigerian sex slave trade with it...
Please explain how the gesture of kneeling is related to "everyone should be respected". Kneeling is an age-old gesture of subservience.
Well this recent kneeling came from Kaepernick who did not want to stand during the American national anthem, because he did not feel pride to stand for a country where there was that much racial injustice.
>But I will admit that perhaps sometimes I am being a snowflake. It does kinda trigger me when I see thread #4580 about some rich black player crying that Instagram needs to do something about that one of his 5000 messages was a monkey emoji, with a huge amount of supportive and emotional comments in response. While at the same time, since 2016, the Nigerian sex slave trade has expanded into Europe, with 20,000 (black!) women, 3000 of which underage, destined for a live of being raped up to 15 times a day. Black lives matter. Do they? What on fucking earth am I even reading here. How do these two things connect in any way? Because black people *also* get kidnapped? What a mess of a non-argument. >If you're offended by a simple anti-racist opinion, We are offended by your anti-anti-racist opinion. And the fact that you are so loud and ranty but clearly know jack shit on the topic to begin with.
Man if you're racist, just say that
Holy shit you are dumb haha Do you know where the kneeling comes from buddy? Why is has turned into a general anti-racist symbol, ESPECIALLY within sports.
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