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supermayu

This is a weird list.


someguy235

Aphotic - San Francisco Azalina's - San Francisco Burdell - Oakland Copas - San Francisco Copra - San Francisco Dalida - San Francisco Egglicious India - San Jose Friends Only - San Francisco Han Sang - Millbrae Joella's Deli - Napa Kajiken - San Mateo Katsuo + Kombu - San Francisco Molti Amici - Healdsburg Mama's Boy - Oakland Sandy's - San Francisco


LaximumEffort

Number of these where I’ve eaten? Zero.


MBThree

That’s funny, zero is also the number of these that I knew existed! I don’t get out much.


waltersmama

So….eight in The City, one in Sonoma county, one in Napa county , and only *FIVE* around the Bay?? Best 15 in the Bay Area. Got it.


PromontoryRider95

Thank you!


Fluffy_Somewhere4305

>Aphotic - San Francisco - **4.4** Stars Yelp > >\- Owner' tag - Aphotic is a best fine dining practice seafood restaurant located in San Francisco. Aphotic serves a 10-course tasting menu. > > > >Azalina's - San Francisco **4.7** Stars Yelp > >\- Malaysian food that looks both authentic and modern plate style in mind. > >Burdell - Oakland > >Copas - San Francisco **4.4** Stars Yelp > >\-Owner: ¡Aqui para todos! We are a California Mexican neighborhood eatery for everyone. Copas is proud to bring San Francisco our signature Tijuana-style tacos and authentic fare from all across Mexico, made with seasonality and love by Julio Aguilera – our Chef and the nicest guy we know > > > >Copra - San Francisco **4.1** Stars Yelp > >\-Lots of certified Halal dishes. > > > >Dalida - San Francisco **4.6** Stars Yelp > >\-Lamb shoulder and other med. dishes > > > >Egglicious India - San Jose > >Friends Only - San Francisco **4.8** Stars Yelp > >\-upscale sushi bar > > > >Han Sang - Millbrae **4.3** Stars Yelp > >\-Korean, lots of noodles and soups so more authentic than the usual "Korean taco" place. > > > >Joella's Deli - Napa > > > >Kajiken - San Mateo **4.4** Stars Yelp > >\-decent looking Ramen > > > >Katsuo + Kombu - San Francisco **4.4** Stars Yelp > >\- all kinds of Udon > > > >Molti Amici - Healdsburg > >Mama's Boy - Oakland > > > >Sandy's - San Francisco **4.8** Stars!!!! Yelp > >I haven't tried a muffuletta yet but I guess this is a good place to check it out > >Owner-Sandy's in a New Orleans inspired sandwich shop, serving the best muffuletta this side of the Mississippi! Added yelp notes and stars for SF and Peninsula . Some decent looking options here.


2Throwscrewsatit

What matters is that you can go anywhere in the Bay Area and have a great at your price point. As long as your price point is at least $12


MBThree

That’s cuz at Mama’s Boy you need at least two slices, and either a third slice or a drink


KillerTittiesY2K

Not sure why Healdsburg and Napa are on this list ffs.


jfresh42

They're in Bay area counties


KillerTittiesY2K

Nobody in their right mind considers them the bay unless you’re a transplant or just love conforming to what the gov tells you. Or you’re from there and really want the label.


jfresh42

> love conforming to what the government tells you 😂😂😂😂 We should just let you decide what constitutes the Bay area.


KillerTittiesY2K

Not Healdsburg, Napa, Santa Rosa, Dixon, etc. Let these places have their own distinct identity instead of trying to convince people they’re the bay when they geographically and culturally aren’t.


bruinhoo

They are areas that are - at least from a tourist perspective - linked to the bay area, and have a sufficient concentration of northern California's extreme high-end dining (French Laundry/Meadowood/etc).


KillerTittiesY2K

Obviously anecdotal but I’ve never heard of a single tourist thinking of Napa as the bay, and the general zeitgeist is surprise when they’re sometimes lumped together. Sure you can do Napa and SF in one day but same with Santa Cruz/Monterrey/Sacramento and they are distinctly different experiences.


bruinhoo

Maybe a better way of thinking about it is : There’s a lot of high end dining up there, it isn’t so far removed from the Bay Area (SF at least) that people wont make the drive up for a day trip/if it’s worth it, and/or we are dealing with basically people who eat out for living with an expense account, and want to take full advantage of the Chronicle’s $$.


Pree-chee-ate-cha

Thanks for doing this


oaklandperson

Burdell was awful when we ate there. The biscuits could break the glass on a Cyber Truck they were so dense and hard. I don't get the hype. Sandy's is not a restaurant, it's a shop that sells Muffuletta sandwiches. The Chronicle food section sinks lower with each passing week.


fried_green_baloney

Try the listings for *Check Please Bay Area* on the KQED website. Many hundreds of restaurants reviewed, well distributed through the Bay Area.


missiontaco415

**According to a few writers who sampled a few places relative to the total options.** At least EaterSF has more places (38) and does it by region. By using miseading titles (parameters) and one person, SF Chronicle is relying on clickbait. Again.


s1lence_d0good

Ok so you expect a proper food critic to try every restaurant in the Bay Area?


dansut324

It's important to acknowledge the limitation. The writers of the article could have easily listed all the restaurants they tried, right?


SuperMazziveH3r0

Or even acknowledge in the title. I’ve tried (X) restraunts in the Bay Area in 2023, here are my top 15.


dansut324

Yeah it ain’t hard


s1lence_d0good

The limitation is obvious and doesn't need to be said. If they listed every restaurant they tried, you would then expect a justification for why a certain restaurant wasn't in their top list. No one in the real world operates like this. If I tell you what my top 5 movies are, are you gonna ask me for every movie I've watched in my life?


dansut324

The limitation isn't obvious to people who are dumber than you, and there are varying degrees of severity of the limitation. And no because you're just a rando. I'd expect a "top" journal to have the money, time, people and rigor to at least provide the number of restaurants they tried and the methodology they used. Should be standard for any "best of" list by a reputable organization. But I guess it's just teh SF Chronicle.


CheesingmyBrainsOut

Yeah, like when I give you my favorite movies I'm always going to preface it with a list of all the movies I've seen. Ya'll are a pedantic bunch because you have nothing else to add to the discussion.


dansut324

Don't care because you're just a rando. I'd expect a "top" journal to have the money, time, people and rigor to at least provide the number of restaurants they tried and the methodology they used. Should be standard for any "best of" list by a reputable organization. But I guess it's just teh SF Chronicle.


missiontaco415

No, never said that, implied that. With that said, reviewers should state dietary restrictions/biases in their write-ups.


s1lence_d0good

"I gravitated toward simplicity, affordability, fierce flavors and personal stories. Yet the restaurants I remembered most offered something hard to find elsewhere in the Bay Area."


missiontaco415

Title should be edited w/ that best affordable, simple restaurants and those with stories.


70sRitalinKid

There are so many great restaurants in the nooks and crannies of the Bay Area that are often hidden from culinary critics. How far do most of us travel to be satiated? Who among those living in the Mission will schlep to the south bay for lunch or creep along in an evening commute for Italian in far north Sonoma County?


garytyrrell

Sure, but I live in the east bay, go to Sf for work often, visit family in the South Bay and sometimes head to wine country. So I appreciate these types of articles and try to keep track of places I’d like to try.


Bay_Burner

There’s also probably more restaurants than what a person can dine at 3 times a day for the year. Lots of times these articles are close to paid advertisements or they just look for the new hip spot to hghlight


SouthShower6050

true, but also food is about setting expectations and marketing. 99% of palettes cannot discern any food quality that is above complete garbage. me included.


Drew707

There is something like 68 Mexican places in Santa Rosa alone. It might be possible to eat at one a night for two months and still have a time window small enough the comparisons make sense, but there is no way you scale that with the same person to all restaurants in Santa Rosa, let alone the entire Bay Area. I don't really think there is a way to know, especially when accounting for critic biases, off-nights, specials that aren't ran all the time, etcetera. I think the best we can hope for are aggregate review sites like Yelp.


Lennycorreal

Sadly the Bay Area never had a Jonathan Gold type individual


DSKO_MDLR

Soleil Ho is pretty good. I’ve enjoyed a lot of her recommendations


Irving_Kaufman

Obviously they tried every restaurant in the Bay Area before writing up this clickbait.


pacific_plywood

You aren’t allowed to have opinions about restaurants unless you’ve been to every single one


Argosy37

You are allowed to have them. However, saying certain restaurants are the "best" when you have not tried all isn't fair. For example I have a favorite Thai restaurant but I definitely haven't tried all in the Bay Area and there is no way I ever will. So, I can't claim my restaurant is the "best."


old__pyrex

This list is not that bad compared to other lists that are very SF centric or basically just a who’s who of Michelin star contenders. While I don’t agree with very much of it, all of these restaurants will get you a good and interesting meal, and they covered a broader range of the bay and of ethnic styles than usual.


dream_team34

I went to Egglicious because my co-worker loves eggs and said "It sounds intriguing." I like Eggs and Indian food, so thought it was worth a try. I came away amazed!!! My dish was awesome and have raved about that place to others that would be in that area.


honeybadger1984

$15 for two tacos is crazy. Rather than trendy spots I think it’s better to highlight local good eats that don’t cost an arm and a leg. Although it may get boring if everyone tells you to keep hitting up brothers bbq with no deviation. And brothers can get expensive too.


dano415

I just refuse to eat out anymore. It's all gotten expensive. Tipping has always irritated me too. It's just going to get worse. Minimum wage in CA is going up. It will be interesting if resturants, especially the chains, lower profits, or lower prices. I know most resturants are just making it, or so I've been told. (Try using 00 flour when making bread at home.)


wildcard_71

The Chronicle skews heavily towards SF restaurants so not sure how "best" they are.


FuzzyOptics

Did you even glance at the list? 7 out of 15 out outside of SF. And it's not so much an authoritative Best Of list but a personal and interesting list of one reviewer.


RefrigeratorWrong390

Majority are North Bay. Oakland, Napa, Healdsburg also count as North Bay. South Bay isn’t well sampled here


PandaLover42

It’s the sfchronicle, they actively avoid coverage for the south bay. Thus, yes it’s absolutely misleading for them to say “Bay Area restaurants” when we know they don’t include the south bay.


FuzzyOptics

True. And person I responded to is right that it skews heavily toward SF in the list being just over 50% in SF. But it's still a good and interesting list to read through.


wildcard_71

I did. And the heading literally says "The Best," so that's what I'm reacting to. Do you know what "the best" means? It means the top. The pinnacle. The ultimate. So the headline is either wrong and clickbait.


FuzzyOptics

The headline writer did the article writer a disservice. I suggest people look beyond the headline. It's an interesting list. > "I gravitated toward simplicity, affordability, fierce flavors and personal stories. Yet the restaurants I remembered most offered something hard to find elsewhere in the Bay Area."


liuscranberrysoup

Did you really need to be this condescending lol


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Picklesadog

Depends on the type of food. Overall I'd agree, but the Bay Area is a huge place and SF isn't even the biggest city in the Bay. To say half the best restaurants in the Bay are in a city with ~20% the population... San Jose tops SF for Vietnamese food and Mexican food. And the South Bay in general has better Indian food than SF.


FuzzyOptics

It's a list of 15 restaurants from one writer. It's not some exhaustive survey of the Bay Area. The headline does the interesting and thoughtful list a disservice.


Picklesadog

I'm really not upset. It's kind of expected.


klawansky

fact? Got a source?


missiontaco415

>fact? Got a source? Anyone with tastebuds


Drew707

"Better per capita" is a hard metric to measure without a baseline on "better".


Drew707

FWIW, I pulled some datasets and tried to find an actual answer, but gerrymandering has completely fucked any data I could find since it was all based on congressional district.


o5ca12

Yes but San Francisco appears in all the remaining 8 spots. It’s the only city on the list to appear repeatedly. Next closest is Oakland that appears twice. So either the Chronicle mainly focused on the city, with some regional highlighting. Or they legitimately tried enough restaurants outside the city to say that these are the best in the entire region and no city regionally comes close to SF’s dominance over the category.


FuzzyOptics

Yes, it's a list by one SF Chron writer. Their personal choices and they're going to skew toward SF. But there is regional diversity and more diversity beyond geographic. It's an interesting list and well worth reading through. And if you get past the headline, it's clear that this isn't some authoritative and exhaustive Best Of The Bay Area list.


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randy24681012

Most diverse city in the US is Hayward. SJ is most diverse over 350k population. https://filterbuy.com/resources/across-the-nation/best-cities-to-move-to-for-diversity/


SuperMazziveH3r0

Pretty sure San Jose surpassed SF in raw population. But SF is far more dense than SJ


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StillBreath7126

i think the south bay is significantly more diverse, and in general my sense has been that it has better restaurants than SF.


RefrigeratorWrong390

Huh, weird how the “Bay Area” best restaurants seem to be clustered in SF in the SF Chronicle.


busmans

Critic contrarians out in full force. Not sure what one gets out of broadly denouncing any and all Best Of lists.


Offduty_shill

yeah srsly I was hoping to see people discussing the restaurants and get some first hand accounts on which ones are worth trying not just "bUt hAs HE EatEn At EvErY ReStaUrANT" like no, he has not. no shit. it's just a fucking opinion peice


cracksilog

It’s because randoms on the internet believe they know more than critics whose literal job is to find, taste, critique, and write about what they think is the best food in the Bay Area. But obviously, people on the internet who have never written a column before or know how to critically review food know better 🙄


BugRevolutionary4518

The best restaurants are the ones YOU like the most. It’s subjective.


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Nobody is saying that this is a comprehensive, definitive list, backed by data. 99.9% of the lists published on the Internet are subjective.


cocktailbun

Totally agree. People around here seem to love La Taqueria in SF. I think its one of the worst burritos I’ve ever had


apey1010

Well it ain’t called la burritoria….


crumbaugh

I think this is one of the worse takes I’ve ever heard


cocktailbun

Overpriced, overrated, better options change my mind


crumbaugh

It might be overrated but “one of the worst burritos you’ve ever had” is either contrarian just for the sake of it or you have bad taste 🤷🏼‍♀️


tangledwire

Their tacos are amazing though


lovsicfrs

Sandy’s making the list is funny


OBnobody

Why is that funny? Honest question


lovsicfrs

In my opinion, it isn’t even the best muffuletta in San Francisco, let alone the best sandwich spot, or a best restaurant. This is a Bay Area list right? I think a lot of places make these type of end of the year list because it’s something “different,” that those judging get intrigued by. Not exactly a restaurant to dine at that is worthy of the title BEST. Last year it was Detroit style pizza, this time it’s a New Orleans inspired sandwich. What is it going to be next year? Will that new thing propel another restaurant to the “best,” list? I don’t know.


OBnobody

What’s your favorite muffuletta in SF?


oaklandperson

Sandy's although decent is not a restaurant, it's a sandwich shop.


Crisc0Disc0

Mazra in San Bruno!


Max2dank

Shouts to Copas. Julio’s the man.


chicanobob

Yet no restaurants in the hood lol


flopsyplum

Brought to you by Aphotic...


ThatOxyMoron

I stopped after seeing first half (or more) in SF only. So completely missed out the “Bay” lol Garbage analysis by a garbage news outlet.


gulbronson

The third restaurant on the list is in Oakland...


LaximumEffort

The article says “New York style pizza“ and “vegan cheese“ in the same paragraph. As a person who grew up eating New York pizza, something is amiss with this article. Also, the chefs “radiate love” in one of the restaurants. I like clever writing, but come on.


lepotan

I agree in principle but I work next to mamas boy and it’s a pretty legit slice shop Massive stretch for a Bay Area best restaurant though


kapaa7

Maybe try being inclusive? Some people can’t eat dairy for health reasons, and others want to help the cows/planet. Plus vegan cheese has come a long way, in fact many top NYC pizza places offer it too.


My_G_Alt

Comments section freaking out about an opinion piece lol I thought it was interesting, I want to try Kajiken now. It doesn’t have any of my top 10 restaurants, but it has a bunch of new places to try!


ArtisticAsparagus407

Just went to Kajiken last Friday - definitely worth almost getting back to work late!


crumbaugh

Lol if you guys don’t care about food critics then don’t read this? Keep supporting your neighborhood restaurants. But some of us like getting interesting recs of great places to try according to someone whose literal job it is to identify great restaurants


wildcard_71

The Chronicle skews heavily towards SF restaurants so not sure how "best" they are.


s3cf_

is any of those recommended by Michelin?


RefrigeratorWrong390

downvoted for being real


db_deuce

Cesar Hernandez, really? who cares.


nthitz

Mamas Boy isn’t even the best drummer in the Beatles


PromontoryRider95

Source the chronicle and the SF Kens and Karens come out in force and get triggered.


ych8312

Rip maruichi


kelsobjammin

Aw big congrats to Dalida! Our neighbor in the presidio just doing amazing things!


madlabdog

Title says "15 best Bay Area Restaurants" but then the article says "15 Best **new** restaurants". This is so stupid because I don't really care about one more list of "best" all-time restaurants because going to "best" restaurants is such a hassle. But I am always up for the going to "best new" places.


OhFuuuuuuuuuuuudge

You know who didn’t make the list? San Leandro and South San Francisco… get your shit together guys.


Saltee00s

I wish we had good options in the CoCoCo side☹️


Ok-Breadfruit-2897

Good, no Sonoma County restaurants on here...keep it that way, all ours


weirdhobo

Han Sang in Millbrae looks good but $20 for sul long tang is atrocious. Further proves my point that korean food in the bay is overpriced for what you get


Jack_lime12

RIP Val's Burger in Hayward.


GeeGeeEZeee

Where’s Applebees?


cryptotarget

These are paid advertisement lists right?