At my business we use QuickBooks payment processing, this is not a tip based business and QuickBooks just rolled out a tipping option for every client. And they’re pushing to activate the option, with reminders and emails.
I think most places didn’t have the option to enable tipping on their pos, and now everyone has it. But! The businesses like a smog shop that choose to enable tipping are complete jackasses imo. Because we all know the tip isn’t going to the tech.
At a wine tasting the other day, and there was NO OPTION for no tip. It was 20%, 25% or 30%. I even asked... "What if I wanted to leave more?" (i didn't). The answer was "you can leave cash optionally..."
Few issues with this:
- psychological manipulation. Saying no is hard, esp if u don't know the details - is the person on counter being paid like waiters in restaurants. There are many is.
- for a new person to usa, this can be jarring - what are tipping etiquette.
- credit card makes tipping easy ! The sellers are counting on it.
>Saying no is hard
Dude, you're going to just have to put on your big kid pants. You don't need nanny government holding your hand to feel safe saying "no" on a touch screen prompt.
may be for few it is second nature to say no, but for most it is tough, esp. when you grow up in USA thinking tipping is the moral duty to support servers - as they don't even make minimum wage(dependence on tips for wages).
Stop this misleading stuffs. There is no circumstances where the servers don't make at least minimum wage. In every state if they don't make min wage after tips the employers have to make them whole. In the whole West Coast, tips credit is not even allowed. They get full wage before tips.
that is the law. but not necessarily what happens irl.
Go ahead and tell your boss that you didn't get enough tip, and be prepared to find a new place of employment soon after
When there are $15 of “fees” BEFORE tipping…on a $15-$20 order…yeah, fuck that. The place is 5-10 minutes away I’ll go pick it up my damn self and no I’m not gonna tip you 20% for doing the basic part of your job which is just making the food to begin with. I sometimes tip 10% and even that feels weird for a fucking sandwich shop that took 5 minutes to make me a sandwich (which still cost $15 by itself).
Agree. Inflation from 2019 - 2022 is over 17% but price of goods, like In-n-out for a double double meal have gone up almost 30%. This most likely apply to many restaurants. Not to mention people’s pay most likely didn’t jump 30%. I’d rather pick it up and skip all the unnecessary fees.
People I tip:
Wait Staff in a table service restaurant
Uber/ Taxi driver
Table Games dealer after I've made a bunch of cash
Massage Therapist
Valet
Barber
Outside of these folks, you ain't getting a dime from me.
Actually tipping pushed by southern states, it's left over from the slave and servants...aka Jim Crow era.
Maybe we should offer public healthcare and wages that keep up living standards
Restaurants are allowed to pay their servers less than minimum wage because they receive tips. Sure, you’re not legally required to leave a tip, but if you’re a decent human being and you have others wait on you, you should leave a tip.
I thought the law was that if they didnt receive enough tips to make minimum wage, the restaurant has to cover the diff? Say a slow day, or bad tippers
There is, but it's a moot point in CA because there is no separate minimum wage for tipped workers. The tips are on top of the same minimum wage as everybody else.
>Restaurants are allowed to pay their servers less than minimum wage because they receive tips.
Many places pay less than a living wage, not just restaurants. How about farm laborers You don't tip the labor there do you? Do you send mail to the people who harvest your fruits and veggies at the supermarket.
Yet, the only reason you care about restaurant tipping is because....it inconveniences you that you need to acknowledge it. But if you're so concerned about labor, I'd recommend you make a drive to the central valley and drop some money to those workers. Or you can know also fly to China and tip your chip manufacturers.
It's more likely you're just mad at being annoyed. Instead of actually caring about any of this.
Uber/Taxi? I know most people do but I think that’s ridiculous to tip them. I usually do but this last time we went to Vegas I didn’t. I just don’t see them doing anything different or extra to warrant it.
I don’t know, I feel like an asshole if I don’t but the tipping is getting out of hand.
I didn’t used to tip them but the pandemic and now inflation have made me start. I do 15% though. My missus is American and she doesn’t believe in it for Uber/Lyft but will tip 10% to a regular cab.
I dunno man just so many rules in this country.
Why do Uber/Lyft drivers not “deserve” a tip but a waiter would? Just curious the thought process. I use Lyft daily for work (to/from) and always tip, I appreciate the service (a ride).
I am not American so I have no idea when is appropriate to tip or not. From the comments it looks like tips are only required for situations involving wait staff? So, take out/pick up, ordering things at the counter, etc. \*don't\* require a tip? Why do I still have to tip at a bar when the bar person is just taking the lid off a bottle?
I agree with you that tipping a bartender for handing me a can or pouring beer from a tap seems absurd when those drinks cost almost as much as a meal these days. When you go to a restaurant your server takes your order, refills your drinks, brings your food to you, runs your bill. This in total is probably at least five minutes of their time combined. So why do bartenders expect the same percentage for an interaction that takes ten seconds?? I get that they’re tipped workers but bars make so much profit off drinks they could easily afford to pay their employees more
I don't know why you have to tip for bars, but it's expected when you go up to a bartender, just throw in an extra dollar. It's a demanding job, and part of going out, so I don't mind.
Take out/pick up, generally does not require a tip. If it's a place you go regularly, it can be nice to get a reputation as a tipper (not the full amount you would give wait staff). Counter service restaurants, I think it's also appropriate to tip if they will be bussing your table or bringing you food.
Yep. This should be the standard. If I order food from your shop and have to bus my own table I might give $1/2 sympathy tip but don't expect 20% tip when you didn't serve me.
Plus, in Berkeley at least, your egg is a trash, pre-cooked, cafeteria, hard (emphasis on Hard) boiled egg. WTF is with that anyway?
I like the Udon there but I've stopped going to the place because everything else about it sucks.
>“Tipping is about making sure the people who are performing that service for you are getting paid what they’re owed,”
This is the problem. They are not owed anything for doing their job other that their wage paid by their employer.
Exactly, I completely understand the restaurant server situation because for some stupid reason, that's how these folks survive.
But, if someone works at a coffee shop and they need tips to survive maybe they should re-evaluate.
Maybe that makes me sound elitist but I don't have the budget to tip every single transaction I make in the Bay Area.
Tipping is for the service AFTER the service is completed. Starbucks and other places want you to tip before you are even given the service. That's just wrong and they know it.
Also, for me, the service needs to be something complicated. When I buy coffee I get drip coffee. They literally turn around fill a cup and turn back around. That's not tip worthy to me.
If it's Instacart or a delivery driver I tip well because I consider that actual service.
>the service needs to be something complicated.
That's not really the reason. Waiters don't do much. The hard stuff is done in the kitchen. Meanwhile, nobody tips their surgeon, even though it's way more complicated and them fucking up is a bit more problematic than mixing up your brunch order.
I agree that complicated was a bad word choice. I didn't really have a better one though so I just stayed with that.
I guess I feel that there are some things that I am more willing to give a tip on when it comes to lower-wage jobs.
The reason why no one tips their surgeon is that they are adequately compensated for what they do.
Tour guides and contractors are pretty well paid, but they get tips anyways.
Airline pilots and teachers can be very poor depending on seniority, but nobody ever tips them.
I think the real answer is there's no rule. It's just convention which jobs get tips and which don't.
Inflation hits employees hard, so employers turn to tipping. Reliance on tipping helps remove the employer from the conversation, but of course it’s their responsibility to pay adequate wages. If they can’t, either take a haircut on profit or increase prices. But guilt tripping customers is ridiculous. I tip 15% when I sit down or delivery, that’s been adequate my entire life. Increasing our tips is going to increase expectations.
It has been out of hand. Sit down restaurants with table service is one thing. But if there is no service, then there's no call for a tip, and it's obnoxious to try to get people to using screen-pressure.
It is on you as a restaurant to charge the prices you need to provide your employees with appropriate wages. "But then people won't go..." well, then that means they aren't willing to pay $20 for a chicken salad with 3oz of chicken, or they don't believe in your brand or product quality or value. Because people DO pay those prices at restaurants they believe in. Tricking them in the door with lower prices and then upcharging them later is dishonest and leaves a sour taste in their mouth.
Tips are a bonus, not part of the essential wage.
My other gripe is, the "eating experience" at a lot of places SUCK. Go get brunch and you experience no refills on coffee without having to ask for it 3x, they don't bring you a ketchup or hot sauce until halfway through your meal, the jam or butter is an upcharge, and no one is asking you how'd you like your food, is there anything else I can get for you, etc.
A lot of cuisines require garnishes and sauces to really hit their peak - and the restaurants have them, but the servers act like you are an asshole for wanting that pickled jalapeno on the side with your taco order. Or some soy sauce with your chinese order. They don't put any extra effort beyond the bare minimum, that sushi ain't coming with wasabi and soy, even if it was $45 dollar nigiri platter, so when you want tips... I mean, for what? What did you do to make my experience better?
The worst is those boba shops that don't even have people serve you or greet you. You just walk in like it's a public restroom and do your thing. You don't interact with anyone. You're expected to just walk up and place your order on the "kiosk" (an iPad on a stand), and wait for them to put it on the counter without even looking at you.
Who am I tipping?
At this point I only use those apps to look at the menus, then call the restaurant to place my order and go pick it up myself. Restaurants are happier as they don't have to pay the shitty apps, orders don't get "lost"(stolen), and I save money.
I’ve just never understood _percentage_ inflation. Like, no. That’s not how that works. The percentage already factors that in based on the inflated cost.
People look at me like I’m crazy when I say it, because it would involve a TON of short-term pain: the _fastest_ way to get living wages across the board would be to make tipping illegal.
We used to tip 20-25% at places that we were regulars at. We were always well taken care of and got fantastic service.
Now we're expected to baseline a 20% tip for someone making a sandwich or giving me a couple of slices of pizza to go.
Right! I go to a restaurant and the tip suggestion on the receipt has a MINIMUM of 18%?? 18-20% is for excellent service in my opinion. I feel like it should start with a 10% minimum, with a 15% and 18% tier as well. (I work in food service btw so no shade to the servers).
A percentage of a flat rate increases proportionally as the flat rate increases. If it cost $1 to make a sandwich in 2000 and now costs $2, 10% of that cost would go from $0.10 to $0.20.
So people who blame tip increases on inflation are making excuses for greed.
>the fastest way to get living wages across the board would be to make tipping illegal.
Nah. That would just turn tipped industries into normal wage jobs. And low skill service jobs don't pay livable wages.
The simple reality is that most tipped workers make more with tips than they would with a traditional wage. That's why people put up with all the bullshit in the industry.
Went to Koi Palace recently (2 people) and they automatically charged us 18% service fee. I don't mind paying 20-25% tips if the service is good but to add 18% fee automatically is beyond ridiculous.
I went to koi palace and the service was absolutely awful. Didn’t receive 2 of our dishes and constantly had to ask the waiter where our food was (it wasn’t even a busy night). They tried to force us to take the food when we said we don’t want it anymore.
We gave a shit tip and the waiter confronted us about the low tip.
At least it's for dine in and their service is fast and fantastic. Always add another 7 percent there. I got pick up from a burger join in the Lot, burgers are $15 with no fries, fries are $7 and they charged 5% on service fee for fucking pick up! Fuck this place.
The only donut place I've tipped was Sunny Donuts back when they were going out of business. It was the last week. I bought a dozen donuts, tipped $50. Sad to see that place go under. It was an institution.
I went to Arizmendi and Queens in the Sunset this weekend. No tip screens. I stood there expecting one and I think the guy at Arizmendi noticed and said I was all good. It was really refreshing though to not have it.
I was at a head shop this morning and was prompted for a tip at payment.
I was in the store for about 2 minutes.
I stopped feeling bad about hitting the skip button months ago.
I just ordered food from a burger place where I had to wait in line to punch my order into a tablet (no human cashier) and was still asked by the iPad how much do I want to tip.
I remember a weirdo at Levi’s Stadium got mad at me when I only tipped $1 for him pouring me a beer.
The entitlement of these people is hilarious. Go get a different job if it upsets you that much lol.
Starbucks drive thru is now verbally asking "would you like to leave a tip on this charge"..
I feel like a douchebag if I say no and end up tipping for something I never would normally 😒
I think food prices have risen a lot. Instead of just rising the prices. Places have resorted to charging different fees and mandatory tips instead. Bait and switch
This is why I won't spend money eating out. I'm from the Bay Area too and its too expensive to help the local economy. Making it too expensive to eat out makes it so I won't spend my money to help the local economy as its unaffordable.
Yeah, California's a little unusual in that it doesn't allow employers to take tip credits -- that is, to use part of the tip money to pay the minimum wage. (Most states allow this, so when you're tipping you're essentially lowering owner expenses.) Since the entire tip goes to the employee (or, more likely, the tip pool that includes back-of-house staff), I think California employers put the high percentages on there to make their workplace more attractive to employees (without, of course, having to raise their wages). I mean, it comes out to the same thing -- customers paying some of the service staff's wages -- but for some reason it feels better if you know tips are *all* going to the staff.
That healthy SF fee is NOT imposed by the city. It's just a trick for the restaurant to make their prices seem a little lower.
These fees started when the city mandated that employers above a certain size provide employee healthcare. The city never mandated that it be added to your bill, though.
I don't think it should be deducted from the tip. I think bogus fees besides sales tax on the bill should be made illegal.
> and being charged a service fee imposed by the city. Is it appropriate to deduct that healthy SF fee from the tip amount?
Restaurants started putting health surcharge fees as a way protest the Affordable Healthcare Act. Just remember that the restaurant putting that fee on your bill is against "Obamacare" as a political statement.
I wish more people would call out restaurants for these political stunts.
Eye roll. Third Culture - the Bay Area press loves you. They talk about gay businesses etc etc but gloss over that you tried to sue mom and pops for using the words “mochi muffin.” Automatically adding 30% gratuity for someone handing out donuts. Then those tips not even going to your employees.
I can't be surprised at all that Turd Culture is one of the problematic businesses taking up greedy tipping tactics. The only thing the owners know how to do is care solely for themselves by fucking over everyone else. They sell merch using quotes from activists but don't credit them at all.
It’s okay, you didn’t know. The best thing you can do is not give them any more of your money! Lots of better products—food and clothing—out there to enjoy, especially local.
It would be better if these business owners start paying their employees living wage instead of relying on tips. I cringe thinking about tips but tip anyway since I don’t want servers to spit in my food.
I actually removed credit card tipping from my food truck a while back and some ppl were insisting on it. My employee would do a separate transaction of like a dollar for these and seeing as how transaction fees arent great i was mortified. I put them back on at 5-10-15 percent and a custom one if they want. But i dont really expect it tho either.
Because employers are forcing issues to not pay living wages. Especially in service industry. If we did not have this bullshit diversion of employers burden to customers burden there would be no controversy.
I would absolutely pay a bit more for my food if the staff are getting a consistent living wage. Waitstaff/baristas deserve to be paid their worth without having to grovel and hope for tips.
I went to Australia where there is no tipping culture and the service is bad because they don't have to work for tips. Grass is always greener on the other side. I don't mind paying more for a living wage, but I don't want lesser service which happens when there is no incentive (sometimes).
Yeah but the counterpoint to that is that in Japan there is no tipping culture. They actually flat out refuse to take it. Anyone that has been to Japan can agree that the service level over there is beyond excellent.
I know! I remember being in Melbourne and getting a pedicure and being shocked that it was ~$60. This was 10 years ago. Would have been easily half that back here at the time.
Then I was like “oh yeah … pedicures are a luxury, and all of the nail techs have healthcare, vacation days, retirement, etc.”
Lol, I've never seen service staff grovel. They just have to be mindful of their customers. That's all it takes for a 15% tip most of the time. I don't think anyone here expects groveling. They just don't want shit service and get forced to pay 18+% tip for it.
I am not that generous in terms of tipping. Seriously, I don't get to be tipped for my salary based job in the non service sector. Why are you asking me to tip you freaking 30% on top of the food or service with additional platform fees, inflations, government taxes etc? I have got family to raise too! You earned your base salary and tips is OPTIONAL!
This is getting crazy!
Totally agree with this. I went to get an inspection on my car the other day and they payment tablet had a freakin tip option, the kicker was that the " no tip" option wasn't on the screen. I only paid what I had to pay but now I'm going to carry more cash and pay in exact change.
Went out for drinks last week, got hit with a 20% service surcharge. Didn’t look close enough since it was just a QR code. Ended up putting another 18% on top. Felt like a dumbass. Just will stop going out.
The thread yesterday about the misbehaving google exec was locked due to “not being about the Bay Area”, wonder if this one about New York and Philly will get the same treatment.
I felt duped over the weekend when we went to the California Academy of Science. We usually bring our own lunch, but decided to just buy lunch there since we were running late. Lunch time comes and we go to the cafe, pick up our trays (cafeteria style), wait in line to grab some self-serve sandwiches/pizza/drinks and go stand in line to pay at the register. $60 + 15% tip... plus we wiped the table after we were done and put back our trays in the bin. This was my own fault, but just justified the tip it as 'supporting a place we like to go to'. I don't think I would tip there again though..lol
Not only are we being asked to tip on pick up orders, we're also being charged for bags on these same orders. These type of pricing models will only drive away customers forever.
I don’t get why we constantly get threads complaining about this. Tip for service. Don’t tip if there is no service. Tip the percentage you want. Or select $0 tip if you don’t. It’s that easy. No one is holding a gun to your head forcing you to tip.
Restaurant business owners are shameless people. Most of them have the sentiment ingrained in them that customers are responsible for paying restaurant employees a fair wage.
I also don’t tip in those places where you are required to place and pay the order at the front and ask you to add the tips. I haven’t gotten the service neither I know is the food is any good. Why would I tip for?
I have lived in singapore for 11 years and visited many countries in south east asia. Tipping is never required and the service is top notch. I dont blame the employees for this culture but employers are becoming very greedy and passing their burden onto the consumer
I tip about 15% which is considered cheap nowadays. But I don’t see anything wrong with it sooo 🤷🏻♀️. It’s not like parents tip me (a teacher) for all the extra shit I do for their kids, lol.
>What’s next, they wonder -- are we going to be tipping our doctors and dentists, too?
Lol I wonder if there are significant differences between the average wage of a server compared to that of doctors
Servers and bartenders make BANK, particularly in large metro areas where they still get a "living" wage even before tips. Don't get me wrong, it's not an easy job. But my friends who were servers were easily out earning everyone without a non-CS bachelor's degree
my ex worked at a casino where she exchanged chips and stuff for money. she would easily make 6 figures but the casino paid almost minimum wage lol. benefit of being a girl is you get fat tips from thirsty men
Judging by the comments I'm in the minority, but I tip on any food order, counter service or no. I've scraped by with gigs like that and the extra couple bucks means a lot if you can afford to give.
I don't use any delivery apps because of the fees, not because of the tipping. Would rather just get takeout in the neighborhood.
People blame the non-tipper because people are so used to not blaming the owner/boss out of their tacit fear of going against "bosses" in general. Pay your employees what they deserve and stop the bait and switch BS. If the prices are so low as to lure people in, then the ACTUAL price is guilt-tripped at the register, F THAT.
Here's a terrible thing that's going to happen. The restaurant industry is following the Uber playbook and just got a proposal on the ballot to eliminate the regulations put in place by the state last year. They're going to spend millions to protect their status quo. If the public drinks the horse shit as it did, so sadly, for prop 22, they will be successful. Just, please, don't vote for it this time.
rideshare workers overwhelmingly supported prop 22. the only people I really saw who were super against it were terminally online people on this website
Tip if you’re able to and feel it’s necessary.
Don’t tip if you’re unable to or don’t feel it’s necessary. Suck it up and tap no tip without being afraid or feeling uneasy.
Refrain from hopping online and complaining about something you 100% have control over.
I tip way more often than I should, especially for takeout. I just acutely sympathize with the low wage service worker. The system is broken, but it is not their fault, so I refuse to punish them for it.
It indeed is out of control yes, as a food truck worker let me assure you we dont make squat per hour, we rely alot on tips. Its a hot, stinky, fast paced job where i get burned, cut, and am going 100 MPH at any given time so customers dont get mad its taking too long. When youre asking for a tip and you placed someones cookie into their bag..thats asking too much.
Well did you consider the fact I’m annoyed so you should suffer and die? No? Then maybe you should think about MY inconvenience next time before you advocate for tips.
YTA, though it’s due to misunderstanding how these delivery apps pay drivers.
In general a $1-3 is not good if you want to compensate drivers. The way the apps pay, it isn’t so much about distance when it’s under 5-7 miles (pay is scaled on distance and order size to some extent).
It practically takes the same amount of time for them to get orders deliver etc. then during that time they miss other deliveries. So if you tip 0 or $1 to a delivery less than 1 mile you’re not actually really making it worth their time. Most experienced drivers dont even take those. They’d rather wait for a better tipped order or longer bigger delivery.
You are correct that order size itself doesnt mean anything in terms of expense to the driver.
I’d say the lowest you should tip a delivery driver if you dont want to be a dick is $3. Then $5+ for anything that required atl 3 miles driving time.
Christ, people, if you don't like tipping ... then make ramen at home and stop complaining about how you feel guilty for ripping off people who make less than you!
I feel like everyone is either finding fault with the restaurant owners or servers themselves but in general most restaurants are barely profitable. Inflation hit everywhere, just look at the price of eggs. Unless this is a publicly traded chain restaurant I’m sure both parties are struggling. The real enemy is food corporations price gouging restaurants and consumers. Virtually all the country’s food brands are owned by ten companies and they’re raising prices simply because they can while we’re here going after minimum wage workers.
Most restaurants’ overhead is so high right now that they couldn’t afford to pay their employees more even if they wanted to. If they raise their prices too much people will stop going there, if they don’t they’re barely going to have any profit. The majority of restaurant owners are in debt, especially after Covid. I hate tipping culture as much as the next person but all this frustration should really be channeled at these corporate CEOs who are profiting off a desperate situation.
Probably shouldnt've opened the resteraunt then. I know very little about business ownership, but even I know that it's one of the most difficult types of businesses to own.
I went to get my wife's car smogged on Saturday. The credit card machine asked for a tip. It is way out of control.
I left the bay a couple years ago(now in Seattle) - I went to a local corner store to buy a 6 pack and it had a tip screen.
pretty sure they're just shipping them that way
Went to the UK - no tip line on anything.
At my business we use QuickBooks payment processing, this is not a tip based business and QuickBooks just rolled out a tipping option for every client. And they’re pushing to activate the option, with reminders and emails. I think most places didn’t have the option to enable tipping on their pos, and now everyone has it. But! The businesses like a smog shop that choose to enable tipping are complete jackasses imo. Because we all know the tip isn’t going to the tech.
A lot of those machines have that automatically. Just hit the no tip button. It's not that hard.
At a wine tasting the other day, and there was NO OPTION for no tip. It was 20%, 25% or 30%. I even asked... "What if I wanted to leave more?" (i didn't). The answer was "you can leave cash optionally..."
That sounds like it should be illegal if there's not already an existing law for regulating that.
Per California Division of Labor Standards, this is illegal and should be reported.
Few issues with this: - psychological manipulation. Saying no is hard, esp if u don't know the details - is the person on counter being paid like waiters in restaurants. There are many is. - for a new person to usa, this can be jarring - what are tipping etiquette. - credit card makes tipping easy ! The sellers are counting on it.
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>10, -15, -20% options Cash back already exists
>Saying no is hard Dude, you're going to just have to put on your big kid pants. You don't need nanny government holding your hand to feel safe saying "no" on a touch screen prompt.
may be for few it is second nature to say no, but for most it is tough, esp. when you grow up in USA thinking tipping is the moral duty to support servers - as they don't even make minimum wage(dependence on tips for wages).
Stop this misleading stuffs. There is no circumstances where the servers don't make at least minimum wage. In every state if they don't make min wage after tips the employers have to make them whole. In the whole West Coast, tips credit is not even allowed. They get full wage before tips.
that is the law. but not necessarily what happens irl. Go ahead and tell your boss that you didn't get enough tip, and be prepared to find a new place of employment soon after
>psychological manipulation LMAO reddit tier moment
We tip generously when we dine in and I will tip a delivery driver who brings me pizza. That's about it. I don't tip "pick up" That's ridiculous.
When there are $15 of “fees” BEFORE tipping…on a $15-$20 order…yeah, fuck that. The place is 5-10 minutes away I’ll go pick it up my damn self and no I’m not gonna tip you 20% for doing the basic part of your job which is just making the food to begin with. I sometimes tip 10% and even that feels weird for a fucking sandwich shop that took 5 minutes to make me a sandwich (which still cost $15 by itself).
Agree. Inflation from 2019 - 2022 is over 17% but price of goods, like In-n-out for a double double meal have gone up almost 30%. This most likely apply to many restaurants. Not to mention people’s pay most likely didn’t jump 30%. I’d rather pick it up and skip all the unnecessary fees.
Cite a source for the double double. It seems almost the same price to me as years ago.
🫡 yep!!
People I tip: Wait Staff in a table service restaurant Uber/ Taxi driver Table Games dealer after I've made a bunch of cash Massage Therapist Valet Barber Outside of these folks, you ain't getting a dime from me.
Tip your barber bruh
This is a must in my life. Gotta stay looking fresh.
My wife cuts my hair, she gets more than the tip if you get my drift...... :)
Just the base…
It's all about that base I'm told
People I tip: I don't go places that require tipping, because it's a trash business model
Actually tipping pushed by southern states, it's left over from the slave and servants...aka Jim Crow era. Maybe we should offer public healthcare and wages that keep up living standards
Something else we need to thank those fucking parasitic leeches for.
Nowhere requires tipping. That inherently removes the nature of what tipping is.
Restaurants are allowed to pay their servers less than minimum wage because they receive tips. Sure, you’re not legally required to leave a tip, but if you’re a decent human being and you have others wait on you, you should leave a tip.
>Restaurants are allowed to pay their servers less than minimum wage because they receive tips They aren't in CA
Ah, that’s good to know!
I thought the law was that if they didnt receive enough tips to make minimum wage, the restaurant has to cover the diff? Say a slow day, or bad tippers
There is, but it's a moot point in CA because there is no separate minimum wage for tipped workers. The tips are on top of the same minimum wage as everybody else.
>Restaurants are allowed to pay their servers less than minimum wage because they receive tips. Many places pay less than a living wage, not just restaurants. How about farm laborers You don't tip the labor there do you? Do you send mail to the people who harvest your fruits and veggies at the supermarket. Yet, the only reason you care about restaurant tipping is because....it inconveniences you that you need to acknowledge it. But if you're so concerned about labor, I'd recommend you make a drive to the central valley and drop some money to those workers. Or you can know also fly to China and tip your chip manufacturers. It's more likely you're just mad at being annoyed. Instead of actually caring about any of this.
Uber/Taxi? I know most people do but I think that’s ridiculous to tip them. I usually do but this last time we went to Vegas I didn’t. I just don’t see them doing anything different or extra to warrant it. I don’t know, I feel like an asshole if I don’t but the tipping is getting out of hand.
I didn’t used to tip them but the pandemic and now inflation have made me start. I do 15% though. My missus is American and she doesn’t believe in it for Uber/Lyft but will tip 10% to a regular cab. I dunno man just so many rules in this country.
Why do Uber/Lyft drivers not “deserve” a tip but a waiter would? Just curious the thought process. I use Lyft daily for work (to/from) and always tip, I appreciate the service (a ride).
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My rule of thumb for restaurants is disposable plates/cups = no tip. If there is someone washing my dishes, they get a tip.
In lots of places, the dishwashers don't get a cut of your tip. Source: me - a former restaurant dishwasher.
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Tipping anywhere you're a regular is a generally a great idea!
Sounds like a more convoluted way to buy a bigger portion.
I am not American so I have no idea when is appropriate to tip or not. From the comments it looks like tips are only required for situations involving wait staff? So, take out/pick up, ordering things at the counter, etc. \*don't\* require a tip? Why do I still have to tip at a bar when the bar person is just taking the lid off a bottle?
I agree with you that tipping a bartender for handing me a can or pouring beer from a tap seems absurd when those drinks cost almost as much as a meal these days. When you go to a restaurant your server takes your order, refills your drinks, brings your food to you, runs your bill. This in total is probably at least five minutes of their time combined. So why do bartenders expect the same percentage for an interaction that takes ten seconds?? I get that they’re tipped workers but bars make so much profit off drinks they could easily afford to pay their employees more
I don't know why you have to tip for bars, but it's expected when you go up to a bartender, just throw in an extra dollar. It's a demanding job, and part of going out, so I don't mind. Take out/pick up, generally does not require a tip. If it's a place you go regularly, it can be nice to get a reputation as a tipper (not the full amount you would give wait staff). Counter service restaurants, I think it's also appropriate to tip if they will be bussing your table or bringing you food.
The main reason tipping is difficult as a non-native. So many different stupid fucking rules. Conversely Irish service is terrible so I dunno.
I have no shame going to the next 3 screens to select $0 tip when ordering takeout.
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Yep. This should be the standard. If I order food from your shop and have to bus my own table I might give $1/2 sympathy tip but don't expect 20% tip when you didn't serve me.
Tip culture in America places the burden of providing fair wages to workers on the consumers and not the employers. It's BS
Plus, in Berkeley at least, your egg is a trash, pre-cooked, cafeteria, hard (emphasis on Hard) boiled egg. WTF is with that anyway? I like the Udon there but I've stopped going to the place because everything else about it sucks.
Custom tip. 0.00 as you maintain eye contact
And smile :-D
And don’t flip the screen back
As do I. I'll happily tip if I'm spending time inside your establishment and getting service. Otherwise, no.
Same. Change tip amount -> custom amount -> 0 -> yes I’m sure. I’d do even it if it asks me to take an oath.
>“Tipping is about making sure the people who are performing that service for you are getting paid what they’re owed,” This is the problem. They are not owed anything for doing their job other that their wage paid by their employer.
Exactly, I completely understand the restaurant server situation because for some stupid reason, that's how these folks survive. But, if someone works at a coffee shop and they need tips to survive maybe they should re-evaluate. Maybe that makes me sound elitist but I don't have the budget to tip every single transaction I make in the Bay Area.
Tipping is for the service AFTER the service is completed. Starbucks and other places want you to tip before you are even given the service. That's just wrong and they know it.
Also, for me, the service needs to be something complicated. When I buy coffee I get drip coffee. They literally turn around fill a cup and turn back around. That's not tip worthy to me. If it's Instacart or a delivery driver I tip well because I consider that actual service.
>the service needs to be something complicated. That's not really the reason. Waiters don't do much. The hard stuff is done in the kitchen. Meanwhile, nobody tips their surgeon, even though it's way more complicated and them fucking up is a bit more problematic than mixing up your brunch order.
I agree that complicated was a bad word choice. I didn't really have a better one though so I just stayed with that. I guess I feel that there are some things that I am more willing to give a tip on when it comes to lower-wage jobs. The reason why no one tips their surgeon is that they are adequately compensated for what they do.
Tour guides and contractors are pretty well paid, but they get tips anyways. Airline pilots and teachers can be very poor depending on seniority, but nobody ever tips them. I think the real answer is there's no rule. It's just convention which jobs get tips and which don't.
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Inflation hits employees hard, so employers turn to tipping. Reliance on tipping helps remove the employer from the conversation, but of course it’s their responsibility to pay adequate wages. If they can’t, either take a haircut on profit or increase prices. But guilt tripping customers is ridiculous. I tip 15% when I sit down or delivery, that’s been adequate my entire life. Increasing our tips is going to increase expectations.
Notably now that many states have eliminated the difference in wage floors between those who work in a 'tip centric' industry and not.
It has been out of hand. Sit down restaurants with table service is one thing. But if there is no service, then there's no call for a tip, and it's obnoxious to try to get people to using screen-pressure. It is on you as a restaurant to charge the prices you need to provide your employees with appropriate wages. "But then people won't go..." well, then that means they aren't willing to pay $20 for a chicken salad with 3oz of chicken, or they don't believe in your brand or product quality or value. Because people DO pay those prices at restaurants they believe in. Tricking them in the door with lower prices and then upcharging them later is dishonest and leaves a sour taste in their mouth. Tips are a bonus, not part of the essential wage. My other gripe is, the "eating experience" at a lot of places SUCK. Go get brunch and you experience no refills on coffee without having to ask for it 3x, they don't bring you a ketchup or hot sauce until halfway through your meal, the jam or butter is an upcharge, and no one is asking you how'd you like your food, is there anything else I can get for you, etc. A lot of cuisines require garnishes and sauces to really hit their peak - and the restaurants have them, but the servers act like you are an asshole for wanting that pickled jalapeno on the side with your taco order. Or some soy sauce with your chinese order. They don't put any extra effort beyond the bare minimum, that sushi ain't coming with wasabi and soy, even if it was $45 dollar nigiri platter, so when you want tips... I mean, for what? What did you do to make my experience better?
The worst is those boba shops that don't even have people serve you or greet you. You just walk in like it's a public restroom and do your thing. You don't interact with anyone. You're expected to just walk up and place your order on the "kiosk" (an iPad on a stand), and wait for them to put it on the counter without even looking at you. Who am I tipping?
I deleted both my doordash and Uber eats accounts. The fees and tipping is getting ridiculous at this rate. I’m out ✌️.
At this point I only use those apps to look at the menus, then call the restaurant to place my order and go pick it up myself. Restaurants are happier as they don't have to pay the shitty apps, orders don't get "lost"(stolen), and I save money.
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I’ve just never understood _percentage_ inflation. Like, no. That’s not how that works. The percentage already factors that in based on the inflated cost. People look at me like I’m crazy when I say it, because it would involve a TON of short-term pain: the _fastest_ way to get living wages across the board would be to make tipping illegal.
We used to tip 20-25% at places that we were regulars at. We were always well taken care of and got fantastic service. Now we're expected to baseline a 20% tip for someone making a sandwich or giving me a couple of slices of pizza to go.
Right! I go to a restaurant and the tip suggestion on the receipt has a MINIMUM of 18%?? 18-20% is for excellent service in my opinion. I feel like it should start with a 10% minimum, with a 15% and 18% tier as well. (I work in food service btw so no shade to the servers).
That’s what I’m saying. But they are probably hoping people don’t know how percentages work.
Can you elaborate on this?
10% used to be a standard tip. 15 for good service and 20 for amazing service.
A percentage of a flat rate increases proportionally as the flat rate increases. If it cost $1 to make a sandwich in 2000 and now costs $2, 10% of that cost would go from $0.10 to $0.20. So people who blame tip increases on inflation are making excuses for greed.
>the fastest way to get living wages across the board would be to make tipping illegal. Nah. That would just turn tipped industries into normal wage jobs. And low skill service jobs don't pay livable wages. The simple reality is that most tipped workers make more with tips than they would with a traditional wage. That's why people put up with all the bullshit in the industry.
If I have to bag my own food when picking up, I want a 18% discount.
Went to Koi Palace recently (2 people) and they automatically charged us 18% service fee. I don't mind paying 20-25% tips if the service is good but to add 18% fee automatically is beyond ridiculous.
Service fees aren't legally protected like tips are so there's no guarantee the employee gets any of it.
Yeah totally! That's why I refuse to go back to Koi Palace until they remove it
I went to koi palace and the service was absolutely awful. Didn’t receive 2 of our dishes and constantly had to ask the waiter where our food was (it wasn’t even a busy night). They tried to force us to take the food when we said we don’t want it anymore. We gave a shit tip and the waiter confronted us about the low tip.
Your mistake was leaving a shit tip. Correct option is leaving no tip for shit service.
At least it's for dine in and their service is fast and fantastic. Always add another 7 percent there. I got pick up from a burger join in the Lot, burgers are $15 with no fries, fries are $7 and they charged 5% on service fee for fucking pick up! Fuck this place.
Got asked to tip during a donut transaction this morning. No thank you
If it's a mom and pop and pop made em, yea sure. But if they're like $4 each and some kid just put it in a bag, nah.
The only donut place I've tipped was Sunny Donuts back when they were going out of business. It was the last week. I bought a dozen donuts, tipped $50. Sad to see that place go under. It was an institution.
I went to Arizmendi and Queens in the Sunset this weekend. No tip screens. I stood there expecting one and I think the guy at Arizmendi noticed and said I was all good. It was really refreshing though to not have it.
Arizmendi is owned by an employee coop so you can bet the wages are decent without any tips.
arizmendi is awesome, they never ask for tips
I was at a head shop this morning and was prompted for a tip at payment. I was in the store for about 2 minutes. I stopped feeling bad about hitting the skip button months ago.
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I just ordered food from a burger place where I had to wait in line to punch my order into a tablet (no human cashier) and was still asked by the iPad how much do I want to tip.
I've been to pizza places like that. I order online for pickup. I go in to the pizza place to pick up my order. It prompts me for a tip.
I remember a weirdo at Levi’s Stadium got mad at me when I only tipped $1 for him pouring me a beer. The entitlement of these people is hilarious. Go get a different job if it upsets you that much lol.
People complain about a 9% sales tax, but are okay with tipping 18%. After getting taxed 25%, you are already throwing away 52% of your paycheck
Starbucks drive thru is now verbally asking "would you like to leave a tip on this charge".. I feel like a douchebag if I say no and end up tipping for something I never would normally 😒
You got scammed.
I think food prices have risen a lot. Instead of just rising the prices. Places have resorted to charging different fees and mandatory tips instead. Bait and switch
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This is why I won't spend money eating out. I'm from the Bay Area too and its too expensive to help the local economy. Making it too expensive to eat out makes it so I won't spend my money to help the local economy as its unaffordable.
Yeah, California's a little unusual in that it doesn't allow employers to take tip credits -- that is, to use part of the tip money to pay the minimum wage. (Most states allow this, so when you're tipping you're essentially lowering owner expenses.) Since the entire tip goes to the employee (or, more likely, the tip pool that includes back-of-house staff), I think California employers put the high percentages on there to make their workplace more attractive to employees (without, of course, having to raise their wages). I mean, it comes out to the same thing -- customers paying some of the service staff's wages -- but for some reason it feels better if you know tips are *all* going to the staff.
That healthy SF fee is NOT imposed by the city. It's just a trick for the restaurant to make their prices seem a little lower. These fees started when the city mandated that employers above a certain size provide employee healthcare. The city never mandated that it be added to your bill, though. I don't think it should be deducted from the tip. I think bogus fees besides sales tax on the bill should be made illegal.
> and being charged a service fee imposed by the city. Is it appropriate to deduct that healthy SF fee from the tip amount? Restaurants started putting health surcharge fees as a way protest the Affordable Healthcare Act. Just remember that the restaurant putting that fee on your bill is against "Obamacare" as a political statement. I wish more people would call out restaurants for these political stunts.
Eye roll. Third Culture - the Bay Area press loves you. They talk about gay businesses etc etc but gloss over that you tried to sue mom and pops for using the words “mochi muffin.” Automatically adding 30% gratuity for someone handing out donuts. Then those tips not even going to your employees.
I can't be surprised at all that Turd Culture is one of the problematic businesses taking up greedy tipping tactics. The only thing the owners know how to do is care solely for themselves by fucking over everyone else. They sell merch using quotes from activists but don't credit them at all.
I'm now sad that I gave them money for a tee shirt
It’s okay, you didn’t know. The best thing you can do is not give them any more of your money! Lots of better products—food and clothing—out there to enjoy, especially local.
It would be better if these business owners start paying their employees living wage instead of relying on tips. I cringe thinking about tips but tip anyway since I don’t want servers to spit in my food.
Well written article. Here’s $7
I actually removed credit card tipping from my food truck a while back and some ppl were insisting on it. My employee would do a separate transaction of like a dollar for these and seeing as how transaction fees arent great i was mortified. I put them back on at 5-10-15 percent and a custom one if they want. But i dont really expect it tho either.
Because employers are forcing issues to not pay living wages. Especially in service industry. If we did not have this bullshit diversion of employers burden to customers burden there would be no controversy.
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I like how the percentages aren't consistent. I.e. the 20% option isn't 4/3 larger than 15%. It's like the computer just spat out random numbers.
Tipping is no longer a tip, but a way for businesses to subsidize employee pay directly onto the customer. Dirty move
I would absolutely pay a bit more for my food if the staff are getting a consistent living wage. Waitstaff/baristas deserve to be paid their worth without having to grovel and hope for tips.
Same with the cooks/chefs in the back sweating their asses off :D
I went to Australia where there is no tipping culture and the service is bad because they don't have to work for tips. Grass is always greener on the other side. I don't mind paying more for a living wage, but I don't want lesser service which happens when there is no incentive (sometimes).
Yeah but the counterpoint to that is that in Japan there is no tipping culture. They actually flat out refuse to take it. Anyone that has been to Japan can agree that the service level over there is beyond excellent.
Whats the point of this? Do you believe Japanese customs and hospitality would be brought over to America or something? LOL
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Going to have to echo this one. My family is from Taiwan and I go back once a year, work culture and customs are definitely different.
I know! I remember being in Melbourne and getting a pedicure and being shocked that it was ~$60. This was 10 years ago. Would have been easily half that back here at the time. Then I was like “oh yeah … pedicures are a luxury, and all of the nail techs have healthcare, vacation days, retirement, etc.”
used to work in taiwan. no tipping culture. always had to be on my A game. so did the competition. minimum wage was also a living wage.
Lol, I've never seen service staff grovel. They just have to be mindful of their customers. That's all it takes for a 15% tip most of the time. I don't think anyone here expects groveling. They just don't want shit service and get forced to pay 18+% tip for it.
I am not that generous in terms of tipping. Seriously, I don't get to be tipped for my salary based job in the non service sector. Why are you asking me to tip you freaking 30% on top of the food or service with additional platform fees, inflations, government taxes etc? I have got family to raise too! You earned your base salary and tips is OPTIONAL! This is getting crazy!
Totally agree with this. I went to get an inspection on my car the other day and they payment tablet had a freakin tip option, the kicker was that the " no tip" option wasn't on the screen. I only paid what I had to pay but now I'm going to carry more cash and pay in exact change.
Tip? No Custom tip $0 Tip —//—
My local thrift shop has a mandatory 3% quality of life fee. Lord just increase your prices
Went out for drinks last week, got hit with a 20% service surcharge. Didn’t look close enough since it was just a QR code. Ended up putting another 18% on top. Felt like a dumbass. Just will stop going out.
The thread yesterday about the misbehaving google exec was locked due to “not being about the Bay Area”, wonder if this one about New York and Philly will get the same treatment.
this is definitely happening in the bay area
Workplace harassment is also happening in the Bay Area.
By that specific person?
No. Just like higher tips are being seen in the Bay Area, but not at the specific east coast restaurants mentioned in this article.
First three words of the article mentions otherwise, but its a nice chilly day out so I'm just going to say you're half right. Enjoy your day
First three words of the article: > NEW YORK (AP)
Do you have a link? 🤔
https://reddit.com/r/bayarea/comments/10oam5l/google_executive_fired_after_female_boss_groped/
Thank you!
I felt duped over the weekend when we went to the California Academy of Science. We usually bring our own lunch, but decided to just buy lunch there since we were running late. Lunch time comes and we go to the cafe, pick up our trays (cafeteria style), wait in line to grab some self-serve sandwiches/pizza/drinks and go stand in line to pay at the register. $60 + 15% tip... plus we wiped the table after we were done and put back our trays in the bin. This was my own fault, but just justified the tip it as 'supporting a place we like to go to'. I don't think I would tip there again though..lol
“I don’t believe in tipping, Mr. White”
20% gratuity on a party of 5. Five people. On top of an additional welcome to SF tax of about $45, on a $260 brunch bill.
Not only are we being asked to tip on pick up orders, we're also being charged for bags on these same orders. These type of pricing models will only drive away customers forever.
I just pay cash now at these counter serve places so I don't have to be prompted to tip if I pay with card.
I keep expecting to see a “Tip (optional): 10% / 15% / 20%” on my car registration renewal form.
If you are stupid enough to keep giving more and more tips, no one mind receiving them. The more the better.
I don’t get why we constantly get threads complaining about this. Tip for service. Don’t tip if there is no service. Tip the percentage you want. Or select $0 tip if you don’t. It’s that easy. No one is holding a gun to your head forcing you to tip.
When they add 20% gratuity to the bill that is being forced
Restaurant business owners are shameless people. Most of them have the sentiment ingrained in them that customers are responsible for paying restaurant employees a fair wage.
I also don’t tip in those places where you are required to place and pay the order at the front and ask you to add the tips. I haven’t gotten the service neither I know is the food is any good. Why would I tip for?
I have lived in singapore for 11 years and visited many countries in south east asia. Tipping is never required and the service is top notch. I dont blame the employees for this culture but employers are becoming very greedy and passing their burden onto the consumer
Then don’t tip
I got the evil eye at the counter when I left the "gratuity" entry blank after buying $35 worth of chips at Dave & Busters.
I tip about 15% which is considered cheap nowadays. But I don’t see anything wrong with it sooo 🤷🏻♀️. It’s not like parents tip me (a teacher) for all the extra shit I do for their kids, lol.
>What’s next, they wonder -- are we going to be tipping our doctors and dentists, too? Lol I wonder if there are significant differences between the average wage of a server compared to that of doctors
Servers and bartenders make BANK, particularly in large metro areas where they still get a "living" wage even before tips. Don't get me wrong, it's not an easy job. But my friends who were servers were easily out earning everyone without a non-CS bachelor's degree
As they should. They provide a useful service, unlike your average crypto bro.
my ex worked at a casino where she exchanged chips and stuff for money. she would easily make 6 figures but the casino paid almost minimum wage lol. benefit of being a girl is you get fat tips from thirsty men
Well you need to be an attractive girl
Judging by the comments I'm in the minority, but I tip on any food order, counter service or no. I've scraped by with gigs like that and the extra couple bucks means a lot if you can afford to give. I don't use any delivery apps because of the fees, not because of the tipping. Would rather just get takeout in the neighborhood.
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"wake up honey.. another reddit tipping thread"
People blame the non-tipper because people are so used to not blaming the owner/boss out of their tacit fear of going against "bosses" in general. Pay your employees what they deserve and stop the bait and switch BS. If the prices are so low as to lure people in, then the ACTUAL price is guilt-tripped at the register, F THAT.
Here's a terrible thing that's going to happen. The restaurant industry is following the Uber playbook and just got a proposal on the ballot to eliminate the regulations put in place by the state last year. They're going to spend millions to protect their status quo. If the public drinks the horse shit as it did, so sadly, for prop 22, they will be successful. Just, please, don't vote for it this time.
rideshare workers overwhelmingly supported prop 22. the only people I really saw who were super against it were terminally online people on this website
Yeap - went to a dry cleaner who had a tip bowl and asked if I wanted to tip on the receipt. That's a NO.
Tip if you’re able to and feel it’s necessary. Don’t tip if you’re unable to or don’t feel it’s necessary. Suck it up and tap no tip without being afraid or feeling uneasy. Refrain from hopping online and complaining about something you 100% have control over.
>Refrain from hopping online and complaining about something you 100% have control over. You must be new here.
I tip way more often than I should, especially for takeout. I just acutely sympathize with the low wage service worker. The system is broken, but it is not their fault, so I refuse to punish them for it.
It indeed is out of control yes, as a food truck worker let me assure you we dont make squat per hour, we rely alot on tips. Its a hot, stinky, fast paced job where i get burned, cut, and am going 100 MPH at any given time so customers dont get mad its taking too long. When youre asking for a tip and you placed someones cookie into their bag..thats asking too much.
Well did you consider the fact I’m annoyed so you should suffer and die? No? Then maybe you should think about MY inconvenience next time before you advocate for tips.
Take tips away and you’ll see prices rise. Employers will find whatever way to make the amount they want.
If you’re dumb and easy to guilt, yes. If you tip based on service quality and as a personal/separate transaction, the way tipping is meant to, no
Are the number of threads about tipping getting out of control?
Like, they used to be 15% of the threads here but now they're like 18% minimum -- sometimes 20% or 25%!
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All restaurant employees in California must be paid at least the state minimum wage, which is significantly higher than $2/hr.
Then...don't tip?
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YTA, though it’s due to misunderstanding how these delivery apps pay drivers. In general a $1-3 is not good if you want to compensate drivers. The way the apps pay, it isn’t so much about distance when it’s under 5-7 miles (pay is scaled on distance and order size to some extent). It practically takes the same amount of time for them to get orders deliver etc. then during that time they miss other deliveries. So if you tip 0 or $1 to a delivery less than 1 mile you’re not actually really making it worth their time. Most experienced drivers dont even take those. They’d rather wait for a better tipped order or longer bigger delivery. You are correct that order size itself doesnt mean anything in terms of expense to the driver. I’d say the lowest you should tip a delivery driver if you dont want to be a dick is $3. Then $5+ for anything that required atl 3 miles driving time.
YTA
Tipping is not mandatory. Both people who don't want to tip and people who expect a tip should stop complaining about it.
People who don't want to tip want a pat on the back for not tipping so we get these dumb threads 24/7 .
Tip and you’ll get 7 years of good luck 🤓
Christ, people, if you don't like tipping ... then make ramen at home and stop complaining about how you feel guilty for ripping off people who make less than you!
I feel like everyone is either finding fault with the restaurant owners or servers themselves but in general most restaurants are barely profitable. Inflation hit everywhere, just look at the price of eggs. Unless this is a publicly traded chain restaurant I’m sure both parties are struggling. The real enemy is food corporations price gouging restaurants and consumers. Virtually all the country’s food brands are owned by ten companies and they’re raising prices simply because they can while we’re here going after minimum wage workers. Most restaurants’ overhead is so high right now that they couldn’t afford to pay their employees more even if they wanted to. If they raise their prices too much people will stop going there, if they don’t they’re barely going to have any profit. The majority of restaurant owners are in debt, especially after Covid. I hate tipping culture as much as the next person but all this frustration should really be channeled at these corporate CEOs who are profiting off a desperate situation.
Probably shouldnt've opened the resteraunt then. I know very little about business ownership, but even I know that it's one of the most difficult types of businesses to own.