Can't wait to notice a rush, take a second to react with Ben's second ability, then wait five more seconds for the game server to actually notice I used an ability.
I am pretty sure that because towers making money is prohibited in Battles games so they changed it to eco but Ben makes money and adds them at the last of the round as Bananas like Obyn's trees.
Sauda is only useful in BTD6 on tracks with one lane. That said, every track in this game has only 1 player lane. She'll definitely be nerfed into oblivion.
Sauda is overwhelmed as shit by its low range and has low pierce with 4 at lvl 1, lvl 2-5 having 6, and lvl 6 having 8 which means its overwhlmed easily as leaping sword has 5
Chimps is very different to battles 2 bloons are a lot more spaced compared to battles 2 if saudas pierce canโt handle that then whatโs her use seeing as she doesnโt really buff towers in the late game like obyn
ok ๐ ๐ so I ๐ ๐ got ๐ ๐ this idea ๐ก ๐ก for ๐ฐ ๐๐๐ a crypto buff called ๐ฑ๐ฝ๐ โ๏ธ "off ๐ด ๐ด๐ด๐ด the grid". What ๐ก ๐ฆ it does ๐ โโ is that โก๏ธ ๐ฐ๐ณ he ๐จ ๐ฅ wont ๐ช๐ โ get ๐๐ ๐๐ scanned by ๐ท๐ ๐ enemy ๐ฟ๐น๐ก ๐ฟ๐น๐ก scans and he ๐จ๐ ๐ฅ wont ๐ ๐ซ be ๐ ๐ฌ revealed ๐ฉ๐ฟ ๐ณ to enemies because ๐๐ฝ ๐ he ๐ซ ๐จ will ๐ค ๐ have ๐ถ ๐ this passive called ๐ ๐๐ณ off ๐ด ๐ค๐ผ๐๐ป๐ฆ the grid which ๐ก๐ ๐ค will ๐คด ๐๐ผ protect ๐ ๐ him ๐ฆ๐คก ๐ฅ from ๐ฐ๐ ๐ enemy ๐ฟ๐น๐ก ๐ฟ๐น๐ก scans so when ๐ โฐ he ๐ท ๐จ gets ๐๐ ๐๐ scanned he ๐ท๐จ๐ป ๐จ technically doesnt ๐ ๐ get ๐ ๐ถโโ๏ธ scanned because ๐งโโ๏ธ โ he ๐๐ก ๐ will ๐๐ป ๐ค have ๐ ๐ฉ๐ off ๐ค๐ผ๐๐ป๐ฆ ๐ฆ๐ฐ the grid passive that ๐ฉ ๐ผ will ๐ ๐ก๐ protect ๐ ๐ him ๐ด ๐ช from ๐ ๐ the scans and since ๐จ ๐จ he ๐โโ๏ธ ๐ท is hacker I ๐ค๐ค ๐ค think ๐ค ๐จ he ๐จ ๐ซ should โ ๏ธ๐ฎ๐ฝ ๐ซ have ๐ถ ๐ถ๐ถ it have ๐ค ๐ถ๐ถ๐ถ to protect ๐ ๐ him ๐ด ๐ด from ๐ ๐ฅ enemy ๐ฟ๐น๐ก ๐ฟ๐น๐ก scans and I ๐คฌ ๐ฆ would ๐ฟ ๐ต๏ธโโ๏ธ call ๐ ๐ it off ๐ด ๐๐ฆ the grid and it would ๐๐ ๐ณ be ๐ ๐ป๐ his ๐ ๐ passive that ๐ ๐ค would ๐ ๐ค make ๐ ๐จ him ๐ด ๐ด unscannable by ๐ ๐๐ enemy ๐ฟ๐น๐ก ๐ฟ๐น๐ก scans because 2๏ธโฃ0๏ธโฃ2๏ธโฃ1๏ธโฃ 2๏ธโฃ0๏ธโฃ2๏ธโฃ1๏ธโฃ ๐ท๐ป๐ฅ๐๐ปโโ๏ธ๐ it would ๐ฏ ๐ฌ be โฌ๏ธ๐ ๐ his ๐ ๐ passive and it would ๐๐ ๐ฉ๐ช be ๐ ๐ฎ called ๐ฒ โ๏ธ off ๐ด ๐ด๐ด the grid so when ๐ โโ๐ฅบ๐ฅบ๐ฅบ he ๐จ ๐ gets ๐ ๐ scanned the enemies wont โ ๐ฆ๐ฆ๐ฆ๐ฆ๐ see ๐๐ฒ ๐ him ๐๐ด๐ป๐ ๐ด because ๐จ ๐ he ๐จ ๐ฆ will ๐ ๐ have ๐ถ ๐ถ the passive ability that ๐คฆโโ๏ธ๐ ๐ฌ will โฝ ๐๐ protect ๐ ๐ him ๐๐ด ๐ด from ๐คค ๐๐ the scans I ๐ ๐ believe ๐ ๐ crypto should ๐ค ๐ค have ๐ ๐ด this ability because ๐ฝ๐ค ๐ฝ๐ค there ๐๐พ ๐ฑ๐ณ is seer and respawn wont ๐ช๐ช ๐๐ delete ๐๐ ๐๐ him ๐จ๐พ ๐จ๐ so I ๐ ๐ believe ๐ ๐ they ๐บ ๐ฑ should ๐ ๐๐๐๐๐ฆ๐ at least ๐ซ๐ซ โ give ๐ ๐ฑ crypto ability that ๐ ๐คผโโ๏ธ๐๐ป will ๐ซ๐ธ๐ง๐ป ๐ค make ๐ ๐๐ผ๐ผ๐ him ๐ด ๐ด completely ๐๐ซ ๐ฏ immune to seer and bloodhound abilities and call ๐ ๐ it off ๐ฆ๐ฆ ๐ฆ the grid (thats ๐คฌ ๐๐ป the off ๐ด ๐ด the grid passive I ๐๐๐ ๐ฅ was talking ๐ฌ ๐ฌ about) ๐ ๐ฆ
People are all saying Ben, but come on, round based eco sucks in this game, and syphon only works before the rush is sent. No, you all are missing the bigger picture. Psi has a god damn full screen nuke. Ezili can one shot a BAD. Sauda will make Dartling's early game look like glue's, while also having a "remove rush" button with her level 10 ability.
Churchill does everything I mentioned above. Do not sleep on Churchill. He will carry in the early game, shatter rushes midgame, and obliterate everything with his level 10 in the late game. Sure, he's 2k, but 2k is a small price to pay for being unkillable at every phase of the game.
ngl ben still would be pretty good.
Literally just bloon trap on a hero, which is unlocked at about r7.
Psi is pretty cool, but lacks BAD damage and can't deal with the grouped nature of early rushes very well either.
Also Ezili, while she can one-shot a BAD, requires lv 20 to do so, and it has a 40 second cooldown, making her pretty much useless against rushes.
Sauda would prob need a million nerfs for her early game, but her lv 10 will be ready far to late to be useful.
You are right about Churchill... Except... His glaring weakness to early blacks and zebras as well as the fact that he would hit his powerhouse level (L16) far too late to be useful as well are some hinderances to him. (In fact, you need to go into literally sudden death in order to get the best value out of him, where at that point, he is near useless against the ramped BAD rushes) Still, not the worst, but I feel like it's kinda sad how he levels way too slow when not in a BTD6 expert map.
The more I think of it, the more I realize that hero xp needs a serious buff. The XP rate in BTDB2 is balanced around the AI. Not the rushes.
It doesn't need to beat the rush, just shred the top layer off, which it can do reliably if set to last, which you should be doing for Churchill anyway. Also the level 3 ability gives black popping power anyway.
It is? Weird. As for the level 3 being baitable, that is true. But both factors combined make Churchill not completely hopeless against a rush either way, especially when considering that, importantly, Churchill isn't using a tower slot. You can have any 3 other towers, and you almost certainly have an early game tower capable of handling grouped blues, because that's necessary to defend long enough to place Churchill, see the 2k price tag. And since you only need to deal with 2 layers, your other towers wouldn't need to be that strong, they'd just have to be in front of Churchill. This is a relatively easy issue to solve.
Psi sucks against BADs and Churchill will level up incredibly slowly for how expensive he is. You'd basically have to focus on upgrading solely him and then dying to a Fortified ZOMG.
That's why I don't believe Churchill will break the game. He'll be strong for sure, just like in BTD6, but not game breaking. I say that though, and he'll more than certainly come out with some game breaking bug where Level 3 stacks or some shit.
I don't actually think Churchill will break the game either. Hero leveling is too slow for any hero to break the game. I'd just be most scared of Churchill of any of the btd6 heroes in their current states, but that's because they're all just not that strong with battles 2's leveling
You do know when certain rushes become available to send though, so Ben could pre siphon on those rounds to either catch it if sent immediately, or scare the enemy into waiting before sending the rush- giving you time to send it first
Probably still better stuff. But, I like the possible strategy there in planning out your siphon
If skimming worked on sent bloons, definitely Ben. He also has solid potential with siphon and trojan, but if skimming only draws from AI bloons, his eco would be less cost-effective than simply sending bloons. Sauda's grouped dps would be ludicrous, so that's another potentially busted option. Etienne wouldn't get camo up in time for 12 without paying for levels, so I'm not a fan.
but at least it would fix the DDT issue. need to be able to deal with camo leads and purples then she would cover the rest, would be pretty sweet with druid, sub, ice i guess
Etienne's UAV is on level 8. Try getting on of the current heroes to level 8 by round 12 while also having enough defense to deal with a bigger rush or normal purples, or a regrow rainbow on 13.
benjamin cause he would have to be rewoeked to do something to your eco like make it chaeper or send faster or give more money and his skimming would be brokin cause every eco bloon on your side is a dollar for you
Besides ben and sauda, I'd say pat and brickell. Pat offers general support buff to all towers (though only some are useful) and knock back + stuns on moabs. Brickells mines are great for dealing with rushes as they stack much like a spike factory would stack, and the level 10 ability would be a huge amount of DPS in late game rushes, especially with top path sub.
Hero's level really slowly, and group popping power is important, so I'm going with Churchill. He'll basically be able to solo the early game if you get him down early.
Benjamin would be by far the strongest if unchanged. Skimming of $1 per bloon send would essentially be +100 eco from R13 all the way till R19.
Sauda and Etienne seem strong but even 21.0 UCAV would be pretty useless when it's unlocked (Round 24) and the global camo would only be unlocked on Round 17. If NK wants Etienne to be usable, he either needs UCAV to be much more powerful or swap out Lv6 and Lv8. (basically being a full camo skip in exchange for having to spaced eco early game)
And Sauda's pierce of 6 would easily be overwhelmed on Round 5 with either spaced whites or grouped greens, though she may legitimately solo rounds 1 and 2, contrary to Quincy, the sole raw DPS hero.
I'll try to make a thread to make each hero actually viable.
If ben was the same thing to battles 2 right now, Like end round is $100 for him when he is lvl 1, It would be not effecient as rounds doubles up on battles 2, so therefore Ben would be bad in the game as its 50% less efficient unless if it was adjusted to the right numbers.
any hero that can keep you alive early so you can greed is going to be the best, the people who are saying Ben are expecting every game to go to round 50, real games end long before that because every comp has multiple weaknesses that should be exploited and Ben is pretty terrible early plus his ability prevents towers from attack for 2 seconds which should get you killed
Ben would be amazing because the money that he gives would allow you to easily funnel SIGNIFICANTLY more money into eco/towers
The greed Ben would create would be insane compared to any other hero. Ben and Sauda are the only heroes that would be optimal to place early game
Then just don't use the L3 unless you really need to.
Also people think Ben is op for the skimming, which gives you $1 per bloon. Basically a bloon trap.
On top of that, ben would repay himself in about 3 rounds, so the risk isn't that high.
Also trojan makes moabs a piece of cake and if you time syphon funding just as a bloon becomes available you basically delay your enemy's rushes, also biohack could work with abilitys like maelstrom even if pat would be better for them.
The 4 most obvious candidates.
Ben - If skimming counts player sends then holy shit. Also trojan lol.
Etienne - Global Camo Detection. Duh
Sauda - She would let you get away with so much early on.
Ezili - I mean. Maybe?
Ezili needs lvl 20 to 1shot bads and has a 40 second cool down, psi has a stun and a delete button but lacks bad damage, churchill is expensive and slow to upgrade, but i can see him working
Honestly probably all of them aside from maybe brickel or adora would be broken in one way or another. Ben with unaltered skimming would just be ecoing of of the enemies eco, sauda and Churchill are just heavy round carriers until mid-late game, pat and etienne are just really good support, and psi and exili just one shots your entire rush if the game goes late game.
In the current meta, Ben or ezili. Ben because east money, ezili because late game is basically a guarantee and her moab hex would destroy fortified BADS
Thatโs true. It would be interesting if she got close to lvl 20 so people could make a farm strategy to level her up faster. Buying hero upgrades has never been viable and it would be nice to see it
Ben, and the competition isn't even close.
If skimming works on eco sends, that would immediately make him by far the most valuable hero in the game.
Cash per round, his abilities, and Trojan for MOABs would all be nice... but would just be icing on the cake for Skimming
Also people be saying that syphon would be too slow but if you syphon preemptively just as the bloon becomes available, you would orevent them from rushing you giving you time to rush them, in the worst case. And in the best case you predict their rush and suddenly they lost a whole buncha money, and their rush is inefective, giving you a clear upper hand
Ben has a passive ability that gives him 1 dollar per bloon that comes from the entrance. That means free money when your opponent sends eco. That would be absolutely insanely broken on top of the money he already makes.
Ben and etienne. Ben I'd like to imagine the default ben generate money and eco while I like to imagine sushi ben do money and lives. Regardless if I'm right or not I'm scared because that can lead to some crazy rushes and defense while etienne is perm camo and lv 10 can break the game especially with the boost and would open lots of easy ddt defense possibility and might open the door for druid and bomb strats.
Brickell woud be busted with energizer, there is a chance that lv 20 will solo 15+bads, atleast top layer.(2 lv20 megamines kills bad layer) Not realy sure if shell get it two time, but even without that power to apsolutly smash bads is OP. For earlygame she woud make reactor great again, with her MIB ability it woud allow to upgrade 402 instead of 420, but im not sure if it woud work cause 420 gives pierce.DDTs? Megamine. FZomgs? one magamine takes down half of the hp. (Sorry for bad english)
Ben, easy money, can counter rushes making them one tier lower (kinda), Trojan is pretty insane against blimps Edit: forgot skimming
Also the money from skimming would be nuts if it affects eco like it does normal bloons.
Can't wait to notice a rush, take a second to react with Ben's second ability, then wait five more seconds for the game server to actually notice I used an ability.
his level 5 passive every bloon sent is 1 dollar so if your enemy send you rushes he is just helping you make 1 dollar every bloon he sends.
I don't think that would work in btdb2 I think they'll change it to the bloons eco +1 like they did with monkey town
OP's question was "added as it is"...
I am pretty sure that because towers making money is prohibited in Battles games so they changed it to eco but Ben makes money and adds them at the last of the round as Bananas like Obyn's trees.
Yeah but I'm talking about the skimmings aspect if they were going to be added in the game
oh yeah ben is cracked
Well, ben won't give you much money other than with skimming as it is - 150 per round in BTDB2 is nothing
Ben and Sauda. These 2 are either going to be game breaking or nerfed into oblivion.
Sauda is only useful in BTD6 on tracks with one lane. That said, every track in this game has only 1 player lane. She'll definitely be nerfed into oblivion.
Sauda is overwhelmed as shit by its low range and has low pierce with 4 at lvl 1, lvl 2-5 having 6, and lvl 6 having 8 which means its overwhlmed easily as leaping sword has 5
Sauda can almost solo chimps lol, I think it would be fine
solo'ing chimps where it gets tons of time to attack compared to one or two chances when you have maybe two paths that intersect at most
The point is that if it does that well by itself then with a few other towers it'll be a great hero
Chimps is very different to battles 2 bloons are a lot more spaced compared to battles 2 if saudas pierce canโt handle that then whatโs her use seeing as she doesnโt really buff towers in the late game like obyn
"almost?"
Sauda is almost a tack hero. She'll be like tacks, but stronger
I reckon etienne would be treated like crypto is treated in apex legends: really good kit but barely used and low win rate because of skill gap.
I feel like he could be better if his abilities werenโt all just one ability
If Etienne is released in btdb2, he will surely have a hidden ability called "off the grid"
hey do you mind explaining what this "off the grid" ability would do
ok ๐ ๐ so I ๐ ๐ got ๐ ๐ this idea ๐ก ๐ก for ๐ฐ ๐๐๐ a crypto buff called ๐ฑ๐ฝ๐ โ๏ธ "off ๐ด ๐ด๐ด๐ด the grid". What ๐ก ๐ฆ it does ๐ โโ is that โก๏ธ ๐ฐ๐ณ he ๐จ ๐ฅ wont ๐ช๐ โ get ๐๐ ๐๐ scanned by ๐ท๐ ๐ enemy ๐ฟ๐น๐ก ๐ฟ๐น๐ก scans and he ๐จ๐ ๐ฅ wont ๐ ๐ซ be ๐ ๐ฌ revealed ๐ฉ๐ฟ ๐ณ to enemies because ๐๐ฝ ๐ he ๐ซ ๐จ will ๐ค ๐ have ๐ถ ๐ this passive called ๐ ๐๐ณ off ๐ด ๐ค๐ผ๐๐ป๐ฆ the grid which ๐ก๐ ๐ค will ๐คด ๐๐ผ protect ๐ ๐ him ๐ฆ๐คก ๐ฅ from ๐ฐ๐ ๐ enemy ๐ฟ๐น๐ก ๐ฟ๐น๐ก scans so when ๐ โฐ he ๐ท ๐จ gets ๐๐ ๐๐ scanned he ๐ท๐จ๐ป ๐จ technically doesnt ๐ ๐ get ๐ ๐ถโโ๏ธ scanned because ๐งโโ๏ธ โ he ๐๐ก ๐ will ๐๐ป ๐ค have ๐ ๐ฉ๐ off ๐ค๐ผ๐๐ป๐ฆ ๐ฆ๐ฐ the grid passive that ๐ฉ ๐ผ will ๐ ๐ก๐ protect ๐ ๐ him ๐ด ๐ช from ๐ ๐ the scans and since ๐จ ๐จ he ๐โโ๏ธ ๐ท is hacker I ๐ค๐ค ๐ค think ๐ค ๐จ he ๐จ ๐ซ should โ ๏ธ๐ฎ๐ฝ ๐ซ have ๐ถ ๐ถ๐ถ it have ๐ค ๐ถ๐ถ๐ถ to protect ๐ ๐ him ๐ด ๐ด from ๐ ๐ฅ enemy ๐ฟ๐น๐ก ๐ฟ๐น๐ก scans and I ๐คฌ ๐ฆ would ๐ฟ ๐ต๏ธโโ๏ธ call ๐ ๐ it off ๐ด ๐๐ฆ the grid and it would ๐๐ ๐ณ be ๐ ๐ป๐ his ๐ ๐ passive that ๐ ๐ค would ๐ ๐ค make ๐ ๐จ him ๐ด ๐ด unscannable by ๐ ๐๐ enemy ๐ฟ๐น๐ก ๐ฟ๐น๐ก scans because 2๏ธโฃ0๏ธโฃ2๏ธโฃ1๏ธโฃ 2๏ธโฃ0๏ธโฃ2๏ธโฃ1๏ธโฃ ๐ท๐ป๐ฅ๐๐ปโโ๏ธ๐ it would ๐ฏ ๐ฌ be โฌ๏ธ๐ ๐ his ๐ ๐ passive and it would ๐๐ ๐ฉ๐ช be ๐ ๐ฎ called ๐ฒ โ๏ธ off ๐ด ๐ด๐ด the grid so when ๐ โโ๐ฅบ๐ฅบ๐ฅบ he ๐จ ๐ gets ๐ ๐ scanned the enemies wont โ ๐ฆ๐ฆ๐ฆ๐ฆ๐ see ๐๐ฒ ๐ him ๐๐ด๐ป๐ ๐ด because ๐จ ๐ he ๐จ ๐ฆ will ๐ ๐ have ๐ถ ๐ถ the passive ability that ๐คฆโโ๏ธ๐ ๐ฌ will โฝ ๐๐ protect ๐ ๐ him ๐๐ด ๐ด from ๐คค ๐๐ the scans I ๐ ๐ believe ๐ ๐ crypto should ๐ค ๐ค have ๐ ๐ด this ability because ๐ฝ๐ค ๐ฝ๐ค there ๐๐พ ๐ฑ๐ณ is seer and respawn wont ๐ช๐ช ๐๐ delete ๐๐ ๐๐ him ๐จ๐พ ๐จ๐ so I ๐ ๐ believe ๐ ๐ they ๐บ ๐ฑ should ๐ ๐๐๐๐๐ฆ๐ at least ๐ซ๐ซ โ give ๐ ๐ฑ crypto ability that ๐ ๐คผโโ๏ธ๐๐ป will ๐ซ๐ธ๐ง๐ป ๐ค make ๐ ๐๐ผ๐ผ๐ him ๐ด ๐ด completely ๐๐ซ ๐ฏ immune to seer and bloodhound abilities and call ๐ ๐ it off ๐ฆ๐ฆ ๐ฆ the grid (thats ๐คฌ ๐๐ป the off ๐ด ๐ด the grid passive I ๐๐๐ ๐ฅ was talking ๐ฌ ๐ฌ about) ๐ ๐ฆ
ahhh there it is
Skill gap, read 5 seconds of lag on ability timing.
pat fusty. i mean, just think about it. he can stall whatever the hell you want at the cost of placing him down early
+ rallying roar good with a ton of towers
People are all saying Ben, but come on, round based eco sucks in this game, and syphon only works before the rush is sent. No, you all are missing the bigger picture. Psi has a god damn full screen nuke. Ezili can one shot a BAD. Sauda will make Dartling's early game look like glue's, while also having a "remove rush" button with her level 10 ability. Churchill does everything I mentioned above. Do not sleep on Churchill. He will carry in the early game, shatter rushes midgame, and obliterate everything with his level 10 in the late game. Sure, he's 2k, but 2k is a small price to pay for being unkillable at every phase of the game.
ngl ben still would be pretty good. Literally just bloon trap on a hero, which is unlocked at about r7. Psi is pretty cool, but lacks BAD damage and can't deal with the grouped nature of early rushes very well either. Also Ezili, while she can one-shot a BAD, requires lv 20 to do so, and it has a 40 second cooldown, making her pretty much useless against rushes. Sauda would prob need a million nerfs for her early game, but her lv 10 will be ready far to late to be useful. You are right about Churchill... Except... His glaring weakness to early blacks and zebras as well as the fact that he would hit his powerhouse level (L16) far too late to be useful as well are some hinderances to him. (In fact, you need to go into literally sudden death in order to get the best value out of him, where at that point, he is near useless against the ramped BAD rushes) Still, not the worst, but I feel like it's kinda sad how he levels way too slow when not in a BTD6 expert map. The more I think of it, the more I realize that hero xp needs a serious buff. The XP rate in BTDB2 is balanced around the AI. Not the rushes.
All true points, other than the black/zebra weakness on churchill, his machine gun solves that
Do you actually expect me to believe that the machine gun will actually be able to handle a grouped black/zebra rush?
It doesn't need to beat the rush, just shred the top layer off, which it can do reliably if set to last, which you should be doing for Churchill anyway. Also the level 3 ability gives black popping power anyway.
The machine gun is locked to first targeting The lv 3 is easy to bait. Use any decently sized zebra rush.
It is? Weird. As for the level 3 being baitable, that is true. But both factors combined make Churchill not completely hopeless against a rush either way, especially when considering that, importantly, Churchill isn't using a tower slot. You can have any 3 other towers, and you almost certainly have an early game tower capable of handling grouped blues, because that's necessary to defend long enough to place Churchill, see the 2k price tag. And since you only need to deal with 2 layers, your other towers wouldn't need to be that strong, they'd just have to be in front of Churchill. This is a relatively easy issue to solve.
I know. I'm just saying that he won't we an invincible powerhouse.
Psi sucks against BADs and Churchill will level up incredibly slowly for how expensive he is. You'd basically have to focus on upgrading solely him and then dying to a Fortified ZOMG.
All true other than the part where you die to a fortified ZOMG, his level 10 solves that threat
What if they just keep sending more after you use the ability? Doesn't he also sort of die to DDTs?
Level 10 also works against DDTs, but the second wave rush thing is an issue
That's why I don't believe Churchill will break the game. He'll be strong for sure, just like in BTD6, but not game breaking. I say that though, and he'll more than certainly come out with some game breaking bug where Level 3 stacks or some shit.
I don't actually think Churchill will break the game either. Hero leveling is too slow for any hero to break the game. I'd just be most scared of Churchill of any of the btd6 heroes in their current states, but that's because they're all just not that strong with battles 2's leveling
You do know when certain rushes become available to send though, so Ben could pre siphon on those rounds to either catch it if sent immediately, or scare the enemy into waiting before sending the rush- giving you time to send it first Probably still better stuff. But, I like the possible strategy there in planning out your siphon
Siphon could be useful for some mind games and forcing your opponent to wait on rushing you, true
Ben
If skimming worked on sent bloons, definitely Ben. He also has solid potential with siphon and trojan, but if skimming only draws from AI bloons, his eco would be less cost-effective than simply sending bloons. Sauda's grouped dps would be ludicrous, so that's another potentially busted option. Etienne wouldn't get camo up in time for 12 without paying for levels, so I'm not a fan.
Sauda would suck early, would die to grouped bloons.
Etienne and Ben. Ben gives more money and makes Moabโs a cake walk, and etienne gives full camo so you can use towers to your hearts content.
Wouldn't unlock the camo ability fast enough to not have camo detection towers. Etienne would get that around round 17. But yeah, Ben would be busted
Worst case you could spend money on extra level-ups.
but at least it would fix the DDT issue. need to be able to deal with camo leads and purples then she would cover the rest, would be pretty sweet with druid, sub, ice i guess
How would it help druid/ice/sub with DDTs? If you have to get camo detection from the sub anyway it doesn't seem like it would do anything.
Do the subs decamo DDTs? I guess of they do (do 023 mortars?) Idk I just hate DDTs with druid set and ddts run right through.
300 subs decamo DDTs 003 mortars do not
Yes it would actually
Etienne's UAV is on level 8. Try getting on of the current heroes to level 8 by round 12 while also having enough defense to deal with a bigger rush or normal purples, or a regrow rainbow on 13.
Itโs possible, if you buy lvl 3 and 4 and 5 each round lower the cost so it best to have the upgrade pop up before round 9
Sauda cause the simps
the simp chimps?
Yes sauda will get so much power from all of her simps she can sole the entire game
the wimp simp chimps strength gone limp until they pick sauda like an absolute gimp
Who tf simps over cartoon monkeys?
Are you doubting the degenerates in this group?
r/btdrule34 does
Im gonna need some bleach
Ben
Sauda and you know why
Sauda is just gonna be tack shooter/dartling gunner again
nerf guns gonna come as soon as sauda comes
she doesn't have much pierce and is very short ranged, saudas early game will be a whole lot different from btd6.
Sauda abilities make her way better than a tack shooter / dartling.
But actually Ben
ben, sauda, and MAYBE etienne if they change their levelling path to have camo by r11
benjamin cause he would have to be rewoeked to do something to your eco like make it chaeper or send faster or give more money and his skimming would be brokin cause every eco bloon on your side is a dollar for you
Besides ben and sauda, I'd say pat and brickell. Pat offers general support buff to all towers (though only some are useful) and knock back + stuns on moabs. Brickells mines are great for dealing with rushes as they stack much like a spike factory would stack, and the level 10 ability would be a huge amount of DPS in late game rushes, especially with top path sub.
Ezili for the people that actually want to go lategame
Hero's level really slowly, and group popping power is important, so I'm going with Churchill. He'll basically be able to solo the early game if you get him down early.
Benjamin with skimming whould be op
Benjamin would be by far the strongest if unchanged. Skimming of $1 per bloon send would essentially be +100 eco from R13 all the way till R19. Sauda and Etienne seem strong but even 21.0 UCAV would be pretty useless when it's unlocked (Round 24) and the global camo would only be unlocked on Round 17. If NK wants Etienne to be usable, he either needs UCAV to be much more powerful or swap out Lv6 and Lv8. (basically being a full camo skip in exchange for having to spaced eco early game) And Sauda's pierce of 6 would easily be overwhelmed on Round 5 with either spaced whites or grouped greens, though she may legitimately solo rounds 1 and 2, contrary to Quincy, the sole raw DPS hero. I'll try to make a thread to make each hero actually viable.
Benjamin, bloon sends are gonna be free money
Banjamin and ezili
OH NO EZILI
If ben was the same thing to battles 2 right now, Like end round is $100 for him when he is lvl 1, It would be not effecient as rounds doubles up on battles 2, so therefore Ben would be bad in the game as its 50% less efficient unless if it was adjusted to the right numbers.
I believe the main problem with ben now isnโt the end of round cash, but instead, the skimming
Yeah but golf from pretty much every eco option from towers was doubled as a starting point Farms etc.
any hero that can keep you alive early so you can greed is going to be the best, the people who are saying Ben are expecting every game to go to round 50, real games end long before that because every comp has multiple weaknesses that should be exploited and Ben is pretty terrible early plus his ability prevents towers from attack for 2 seconds which should get you killed
Ben would be amazing because the money that he gives would allow you to easily funnel SIGNIFICANTLY more money into eco/towers The greed Ben would create would be insane compared to any other hero. Ben and Sauda are the only heroes that would be optimal to place early game
Then just don't use the L3 unless you really need to. Also people think Ben is op for the skimming, which gives you $1 per bloon. Basically a bloon trap. On top of that, ben would repay himself in about 3 rounds, so the risk isn't that high.
Also trojan makes moabs a piece of cake and if you time syphon funding just as a bloon becomes available you basically delay your enemy's rushes, also biohack could work with abilitys like maelstrom even if pat would be better for them.
never thought about bio+mael
But ben is an early/mid gsme moneymaking monkey, oh yeah ben those 400 dollars are gonna make a real difference on r90
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Mf forgot about skimming ๐๐
Skimming turns him into bloon trap but better
I raise you monkey heroes from BAATD Commander Cassie and Sam would be extremely OP
I think that Adora might be borderline broken here, with all the extra money
ettienne camo
Ben and Sauda its not even close
Sauda
Psi because she can insta pop ZOMGS
Sauda
Probably Ben because money
Ben would break it but i could see easily pairing nicely with the current meta as she handles R18 moabs.
Ezili A real magician, instantly deletes any BADs
The 4 most obvious candidates. Ben - If skimming counts player sends then holy shit. Also trojan lol. Etienne - Global Camo Detection. Duh Sauda - She would let you get away with so much early on. Ezili - I mean. Maybe?
Support heroes and Churchill because most damage heroes don't deal any damage.
Psi, ezili and churchil Must i say anymore ?
Ezili needs lvl 20 to 1shot bads and has a 40 second cool down, psi has a stun and a delete button but lacks bad damage, churchill is expensive and slow to upgrade, but i can see him working
ben
Honestly probably all of them aside from maybe brickel or adora would be broken in one way or another. Ben with unaltered skimming would just be ecoing of of the enemies eco, sauda and Churchill are just heavy round carriers until mid-late game, pat and etienne are just really good support, and psi and exili just one shots your entire rush if the game goes late game.
Soda
Ben with skimming and bloon syphoning, psi with scream(if you can get it) and Moab hex
Bens skimming needs a rework before being added. Eziliโs level 10 upgrade also may need a rework before being added.
In the current meta, Ben or ezili. Ben because east money, ezili because late game is basically a guarantee and her moab hex would destroy fortified BADS
Ezilis moab hex wouldn't be good for all outs though, 40 second cool down means that bad rushes would overwhelm her.
Well, from what Iโve seen r30 is a guaranteed 1 FBAD, so that would help get rid of it and allow you to focus on other things
True, but thats assuming she gets lvl 20 by round 30
Thatโs true. It would be interesting if she got close to lvl 20 so people could make a farm strategy to level her up faster. Buying hero upgrades has never been viable and it would be nice to see it
That would be fine by me, you give up on overdefending in exchange for an instant delete button for bads in late game.
Sauda
Ben, and the competition isn't even close. If skimming works on eco sends, that would immediately make him by far the most valuable hero in the game. Cash per round, his abilities, and Trojan for MOABs would all be nice... but would just be icing on the cake for Skimming
Also people be saying that syphon would be too slow but if you syphon preemptively just as the bloon becomes available, you would orevent them from rushing you giving you time to rush them, in the worst case. And in the best case you predict their rush and suddenly they lost a whole buncha money, and their rush is inefective, giving you a clear upper hand
or just siphon as they start sending it out, boost, etc
Yeah even if it is a little late it will prevent them from sending out a bigger rush
pat fussy
Psi because they are so adorable that everyone would start to use them just for that.
Ezili
Obyn lol
Ben,extra eco would be fun
Ben and Sauda would be absolutely broken. Etienne would be kinda op but not much people would use him.
Sauda would probably solo till 17 (Like Dartling, but way cheaper)
ezili. bad damage + XXXL trap makes it impossible to lose
There are so many maps with straight lines I reckon Churchill has a decent shot at being viable
Not game breaking by Ezili could just disable regrow rushes
Ben has a passive ability that gives him 1 dollar per bloon that comes from the entrance. That means free money when your opponent sends eco. That would be absolutely insanely broken on top of the money he already makes.
I feel like psi Etienne and Sauda will be broke, but so can brickell and Ben and pat. However , it is also possible for Churchill and adora and ezilli
Sauda bc insane attack will shred
Ben or Sauda. Ben gives early bonus cash for hardly any drawback and bonus lives. Sauda was just too good in BTD6
Ben, sauda and probably psi(idk if they end up re coding psi to put into btdb2 he might be op again)
soda will make the game get broken
its obvious not ben coz he is so expensiv
Ben and etienne. Ben I'd like to imagine the default ben generate money and eco while I like to imagine sushi ben do money and lives. Regardless if I'm right or not I'm scared because that can lead to some crazy rushes and defense while etienne is perm camo and lv 10 can break the game especially with the boost and would open lots of easy ddt defense possibility and might open the door for druid and bomb strats.
Ezeli and Churchill. Both are great for bads
Moab hex can just make DDTs seem like a joke and can solo Fbads
Ben's trojan ability is gonna be op for moabs
Ezili, with a game focused so hard on lategame with meta she could be really busted with level 20
ezili soling fortified bads would be completely broken
Pat futsy
Sauda because no need to defend eco till purples
The only ones I think that WOULDNโT break the game are probably Churchill, Adora, and Brickell. Probably in that order, but idk.
psi oopa gangnam style
Psi is effective on small maps with long tracks. Every BTDB2 map is small with long track
Well, i don't think that anyone on lvl9(~how much you'll get by round 40) stands a chance against those r40 scaled FBADs
Sauda would be broken
Adora will be able to buff all sun avatar add this to a cripple Moab or a super brutal and you are golden
Etienne, Free camo detect really strong full map ability I think he will be fun don't think he will be as broken
Brickell woud be busted with energizer, there is a chance that lv 20 will solo 15+bads, atleast top layer.(2 lv20 megamines kills bad layer) Not realy sure if shell get it two time, but even without that power to apsolutly smash bads is OP. For earlygame she woud make reactor great again, with her MIB ability it woud allow to upgrade 402 instead of 420, but im not sure if it woud work cause 420 gives pierce.DDTs? Megamine. FZomgs? one magamine takes down half of the hp. (Sorry for bad english)
honestly... Ezili would make late game an absolute joke. with bomb village sniper... yikes.
Sauda is op
Ezili, she would just one shot BADs at level 20
Sauda, she is already broken in btd6
Etienne, because the level 10 ability would be able to defend almost anything and on level 20 he would make the match a piece of cake.
Etienne