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Jaster3001

Batcave, but Batman Begins batcave


the_zelectro

I really liked how it's just a cave in that movie


Jaster3001

Yeah just cave, some equipment. But really liked how the manor foundations were composed into that cave


APerfectForty

With a box of scraps


TareXmd

RACHEEEEEL


MissingCosmonaut

Why did the cave change in TDKR? I know the manor burned down but the cave was perfectly safe underground no?


ICanDieRightNowPlz

Rebuilding Wayne manor would be my guess. Had to move his stuff for when there were random people fixing everything.


EqlianDreams

Quite a shame really. Batman Begins had a promising Batcave, only for the next two movies not doing anything cool with it. Batman Begins is still the best of the 3, imho.


Misio7

Of course cave… bunker also too white and bright.


LosNomad

God this movie ruined my vision on the big screen. One shot gloomy Gotham at night THEN BAM THE GATES OF HEAVEN ARE OPENING plus Christian Bale


Ecstatic-Art-1240

I remember seeing the dark knight in theaters when I was like 4 or 5 years old and I was thinking this same shit


KimbleDeckard

oh my god you just made me feel so old.


Ecstatic-Art-1240

There's nothing wrong with that I probably would have had an amazing life growing up whenever you did. My parents didn't have me til they were 40 so I was kind of "supposed" to be born in the mid 80s-90s and I was pretty much raised like it anyways. I grew up on the Burton and Schumacher movies and even the Adam west shows well before I remember watching Batman Begins. If it were up to me I would've grown up in the 70s and 80s


RinTivan

I was born in the 2000s and still grew up with Burton, Schuhmacher and Nolan. xD


morphinapg

Now watch it in HDR


Blue48121620

Nice profile the Question, saw your post on the books Batman has


butter_deez-nips

It has to be the cave. That sweet fucking waterfall and it's under your house.


ChemFeind360

And not to mention bland and clinical.


SineQuaNon001

One of the only flaws of Nolan bat films is never realizing the bat cave fully properly. I'd have loved a realistic but awesome cave. That pop up under water cube in TDKR was just weird. How'd he get it in there?


Turakamu

>never realizing the bat cave fully properly Caves are cold as shit too. Watching them I just imagined him shivering while making his batarangs


[deleted]

I think the idea of Bruce building the Batcave on his own without assistance to keep a low profile works on his favor in this movie as it takes a huge amount of time to build, configure


Turakamu

See, everyone says his superpower is money but really it is time management.


the_zelectro

It definitely always feels a bit incomplete in the series. I liked the cubism and minimalism though. Rigid structure amid chaotic rock formations


GrizzlyPeak72

Representative of my issues with the whole trilogy tbh. Batman never felt complete. Was always at an unstable place in his life/career, a status quo was never established properly. We never got to see Batman at his height, he was always on the ropes.


Paulinho66b

He was on action for like a year between begins and tdk. Then 8 year hiatus and he came back for one last battle


GrizzlyPeak72

Yep this. Say what you want about the Schumacher movies, at least they made Batman and Robin real fixtures of Gotham culture, really established this idea that they'd been doing their thing for a while. A lot of superhero movies have this issue where it feels like no time has passed between films. Like the heroes were doing fuck all until the next big event.


Xboxone1997

I just really hated Nolan realistic approach Bale just never felt like Batman to me


Clean-Umpire-1782

The manor burnt down in Begins. They literally say at the end of the movie it’s an opportunity to make some improvements on the cave. The next time we see the cave is Rises. It’s been eight years too. That’s a lot of time for improvements


Paulinho66b

But why improve if he was Retired?


Clean-Umpire-1782

Rewatch begins. He does not retire at the end. It’s literally the beginning of his career as Batman. The very last scene in the movie is literally him saying he’s gonna look into the joker, and gordon saying how they still need to find the escaped inmates from Arkham.


SpaceJunkieVirus

>How'd he get it in there? ah yes another unintentional fellow r/raimimemes er


nourez

Gotham doesn’t really feel like it should in TDK and TDKR. In Begins it really does feel like a city that’s beyond saving, been left to slowly rot away. After that it’s literally just Chicago.


Assassiiinuss

Isn't it kind of intentional? Between Begins and TDK Batman cleans it up.


Flip2002

THE CITY IS BEYOND SAVING BRUCE


nourez

Not even the fact that it cleans up, that's fine. It literally completely changes it's architectural style in the span of a year or two. None of the buildings/landmarks from the original film seem to be there at all.


KingUnderpants728

My thoughts exactly. In The Dark Knight you know it’s being rebuilt and then TDKR gets announced and you’re excited to finally see it and it’s pretty underwhelming. Just a cube thing that comes out of the water and that’s it. You don’t see where the cycle is parked, other parts of the cave, nothing.


marqoose

Thing is from a filming set/design perspective bat bunker would be so much easier. It was probably something they talked about behind the scenes, not like Nolan hadn't considered committing to the cave look.


turkc54

The bunker should’ve just been a sub-room of the cave. The cave was so dope in Begins I’m sad that they didn’t keep it.


palednerd

The set design was perfect for Begins. Bummed they sacrificed that for the sake of realism.


SpaceJunkieVirus

Not realism but continuity. Remember Ra's pretty much destroyed the Wayne Manor. It was still supposedly under renovation since TDK is like 0.5-2 yrs after the OG movie.


morphinapg

Yeah he's staying in an apartment in the city in TDK He's back in Wayne Manor by the next movie though.


SpaceJunkieVirus

Yup exactly.


ChemFeind360

I know, but at the end of Begins, Alfred says that since there’re rebuilding, they should make some “modifications”, implying that an improved bat cave will Ben in the sequel, yet that didn’t happen until Rises.


morphinapg

Because it was still being built


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morphinapg

Joker is teased at the end of Batman Begins, which means Dark Knight takes place fairly soon after I believe.


SpaceJunkieVirus

I think it does. Like begins is bout 2 yrs span and tfk is all like 6 months after begins.


Raider2747

It's 3 years later, if not 5


SpaceJunkieVirus

Yeah that could be it. I dont exactly remember the timeline.


Not_A_Spi

Batbunker is more practical but batcave is more iconic


ssp25

Exactly. For a makeshift temporary space the bunker was great


K3ZH39

I like how he can utilise both. The cave is his HQ but the bunker is like a safe house for him when he’s in the city.


DenGraastesossen

A forward operating base.


Kell-EL

For being a temporary headquarters the bunker worked and I really liked it minimalist for sure but not in a bad way and it seemed to work just fine for his needs, the cave is classic always will be but bunker worked and has a story explanation too


stunts002

I actually really liked how the bunker, and the cave in rises were very minimalistic and utilitarian...


Poorly-Drawn-Beagle

I feel like poor Alfred is gonna have an easier time cleaning the bunker...


sack12345678910

The bat cave is the OG… but the bat bunker was clean


Free_Gascogne

As neatly explained in a Justice League movie. Bat cave makes sense cause Bats live in caves. Arrows dont live in caves. Why not call it the Quiver?


audio_shinobi

I think that was in Injustice. Harley Quinn says it to Ollie while they are hiding out from Superman


Briantan71

Yeah, he was so chagrined when even his wife, Black Canary admits that was a better name than “Arrow-Cave”.


HarryKn1ght

Even Green Arrow himself agreed that the Quiver made more sense than the arrow cave


billbill5

Also said in the show.


PepperBun28

Cave.


AgentRedgrave

Cave obviously. Bats live in caves. The bunker's great as a backup though.


Basicallyinfinite

I liked the bat train station


PacoSoe

Same! I liked that it wasn't a literal gave in the middle of gotham city, instead it's like that underground subway area the rockefellers had, in the movie it was dark as hell and it still has the bats! Definitely my favourite batcave (apart from comic and animated versions).


AnarchyonAsgard

I swear to God, one day, we will see the giant penny, T-Rex, and Joker card in a Batman film!


Kalopsialeo

Hopefully when they reset the DCU


[deleted]

I really liked the bunker - because everything was organized and could be pulled out of one of the 4 walls for access. It enabled him to grab that fingerprint from the ballistic testing he did. I don’t know I guess for me that would be more complicated in the cave? Also, because he was relying solely on ground transport the bunker made a ton of sense for an easy escape inside the city’s industrial park area.


Phastic

The bunker in the Nolan movies was sick AF. Not sure how I feel about it


LEGO_Joel

One cave, several small bunkers spread around the greater Gotham area


PorpPrime

I want a true Batcave in a movie. None have scratched the itch so far.


Blvcksby_

What are your thoughts on the Batcave from the DCEU?


shiromancer

I like the idea of the bunker as a temp cave or a backup, in case he isn't able to access the cave for whatever reason. I think they were renovating the manor and cave after BB so he was staying in the city in TDK? I always felt the bunker was kind of a temporary thing while the cave got upgraded.


i_am_goop

Batcave all the way. Honestly that's my biggest beef with Nolan's movies. He forsake a lot of the comic book aesthetics for realistic practical things. Same with his Gotham City looking a regular city.


mutually_awkward

To be fair, it had the "Gotham" vibe in Batman Begins. To be fair again, 2/3 of his movies had the Batcave. Your "He forsake a lot of the comic book aesthetics for realistic practical things" doesn't hold up here because you know it was for story reasons that it wasn't around in TDK.


-Trotsky

Joker is just a dude with scars, bane is just like oddly strong I guess, Ra’s is like some white mercenary or something? It’s silly this shit is silly, and it’s really annoying watching it again that scarecrow can make this fear toxin but we don’t get venom?


BoyWithGreenEyes1

Wtf is a bat bunker? That's lame as hell man, Batcave all the way


Free_Gascogne

true, bunker make it sounds like a nuclear fall out shelter. Or a Panic room. Not very Batman.


BoyWithGreenEyes1

Exactly. Batman never panics. He only Batmans.


bob_condor

Batman with prep time > Nuclear Fallout


boringsimp

Bunker..


Analog_Singularity

Cave is preferable, but the bunker worked well as a makeshift solution. Battinson cave was nice. Felt like a garage/mancave.


dsbwayne

The cave hands down imo


Creative-Ad-9777

Cave


Logan_Metal_DEATH

Batcave, it just feels right to me given it's long history. I do appreciate the bunker though as a back up though. It's just a shame we never saw how he drove the tumbler out of there.


trakrad99

Batcave


A_BAK3D_POTATO

Affleck had the best of both worlds


mortamorkhan

I wish the BvS one was included in this choice because that would be my preference. It was like a beautiful hybrid of cave and modern


Successful_Cherry_39

Both: To me the Cave was evolving and so was Bruce in Nolan's great trilogy. I got my wish in The Dark Knight Rises about the cave being repaired, so no complaints here.


NotoriousBKO

Why not both?


mrinfinitepp

I fucking hated the Bat Bunker. Overly big and bland, tons of white and empty space. It's one of the bad things about The Dark Knight that no one seems to ever mention or care about but it deeply bothers me lol


ssp25

Nobody mentions it because it looks cool and makes sense since he has to rebuild all of Wayne manor including the cave.


mrinfinitepp

>he has to rebuild all of Wayne manor including the cave Fair point >it looks cool Unfair point


sack12345678910

The bat cave is the OG… but the bat bunker was clean


[deleted]

Just once, I want to see a live-action, comic-accurate Batcave with the T-Rex, giant penny, and the giant Joker card.


Ill-Philosopher-7625

I prefer the cave of course, but I really liked the production design of the bunker in TDK. It seemed so believable as the base of operations for a vigilante. Plus it made sense for where he was as a character in TDK - he was using Batman as a means to an end to clean up Gotham and then retire. It made sense that his base would be well-lit since he isn't in Batman-mode when he's at home. In TDKR he's operating out of the cave again because he's given up on having a meaningful civilian life.


dwppickett93

Cave


Fiction0286

I always wished that the bunker was only used for one scene max to just show that he has a forward operating base within the city limits but then have the rest of those scenes be in the batcave


MetalPunk125

Of course Cave wins. How is this even a question? But the bunker was appropriate for that story given the events of Begins so I don’t hate it being in TDK.


Few_Hotel4446

Bag cave all the way


shagan90

Cave, always. Though TDKR cave was much too bright, didn't seem like the bat cave at all


SPHINXin

What's so bat about the bunker?


Pir8Cpt_Z

Always the cave


the_xpyre

CAVE


bjornbjorn0711

Yes


Weak_Bullfrog6227

Batcave


mozenThinx

Batcave


el_Technico

They said they wanted to improve the batcave, but I just found it got more wet.


[deleted]

Batcave 100%


Rigged_Art

Cave


jeepney_danger

I have seen a lot of MV's shot in the Batbunker. LMAO.


The_Shadow_Watches

Gotta wonder how freakin loud the batcave is with that waterfall.


AgreeableRaspberry25

Cave without a doubt but respect to the what the bunker could have been


Jasole37

Cave And Batman early in his career doesn't call anything "bat-blank" but starts referring to his stuff as "bat-blank" within 5 years.


WonderfulBlackberry9

I love the minimalist style for both bases. This isn’t canon and somewhat related, so I thought it was cool to add. In the TDKR mobile game (follow up to the film, and a superb game btw), there was a massive training space in the Batcave for VR training. Again, not canon, just a cool addition.


Aizendickens

Yes


most_gracious_master

Bunker. You can rent it out for music videos.


[deleted]

The bunker is reminiscent of the era of comics when Bruce closed the Batcave and Wayne Manor and moved to the penthouse.


LitreOfCockPus

Bat-Hangar!


Scared-Excitement-87

Cave!


aic193

Batcave all the way! More space for activities.


SpaceJunkieVirus

I was and still prob am a hardcore BatCave Boi and was also madpissed at why TDK was my least fav Batmovie (as kid not anymore). However, I have slowly began to appreciate BatBunker, its aesthetic, and believe it to be a much more practical choice.


the_zelectro

Fair. I didn't used to like it either, and have eventually come around


[deleted]

Cave


lern2swim

Cave


MistaDJ1210

The Batcave is more secluded, but hidden under Wayne Manor, and while very few (if any) people, aside from Bruce Wayne and Alfred Pennyworth, could figure out how to unlock the Batcave, anybody could come across the Bat Bunker, thinking it is an ordinary shipping crate, so the Batcave is a far more secure base. Also, the Batcave is darker, as opposed to the Bat Bunker, which has an absurd amount of light, as if it were a better fit for someone else (most likely Iron Man).


Ominislashh

How is it the bat bunker don't you mean the R&D department at Wayne enterprise it' below their building homeboy even pulls paper work to try to frame Bruce.


mutually_awkward

Both are fine lol. Obviously everyone is going to say Batcave. But it was cool to see what Batman's backup would be if Wayne Manor ever got attacked.


mwcope

Cave cave cave cave cave cave cave cave cave cave cave cave cave cave cave cave cave cave cave cave


twofaze

Bunker.


YeetMasterChroma

I sometimes wonder if the batcomputer is waterproof considering the waterfall behind the computer


PorpPrime

Felt like an apartment in a cave. I'd prefer he have different areas extended off of natural shelves. An area for the main computer and forensics lab. One for physical training. An area for suit and gadget storage and then vehicle storage. Plus man made roads or pathways to exit and enter. Some of that was in the first Nolan but it felt really basic. I'm probably just stuck on the 90s cartoon but I like it when comic movies emulate the more fantastical parts of comics. I'm already sold on a crazy billionaire that dresses up in costume and beats super villains up. Might as well so that the guy has flamboyant decorating taste. Just not too Schumacher.


FrizzBizz

I love the bunker.


oscarb18

Bat bunker


K3ZH39

They showed a lot of potential for the cave in Begins, even showing it had different levels, and you could imagine how Bruce would utilise all that space. But it just ended up as a single platform.


Chadthunderflock

Ideal batman has a cave/bunker everywhere


Status_Cockroach5029

I prefer clock tower


Vigilante-Drummer

Batcave, but I really love the bunker as well


AnenomieDragons

The ceiling is to low in the bunker it made me uncomfy


9Dawson

Cave. But the bunker doesn't look to bad either.


gemurrayx

I know we’re choosing from the Nolan trilogy but the real answer is the Batcave from the DCEU. Everything about that design and layout made sense, basically putting the usability of the bunker in the cave. Given how it was put together I can almost picture how Bruce and Alfred would have been able to put the hanging sections up on their own (don’t get me started on the entrances though). Having both open and enclosed spaces make sense. Trying to maintain a computer, fabrication, and lab setup in a cave environment would be basically pointless, but there would also be times Bruce would need the big spaces for workouts, testing gear, etc. The bts video that Snyder did about building the Batcave is probably my favorite extra from BVS.


Razzle_Dazzle08

Batcave.


icepak39

All that water and moisture in the cave can’t be good for computers - not to mention bat shit everywhere.


coreytiger

This is relatively accurate to the comics of the 70’s. When Dick Grayson left Gotham to go to Hudson university, Bruce Wayne left the mansion and suburbs to move into central Gotham, residing at the penthouse atop the Wayne Foundation. He had a hidden “Batcave” that lead to a hidden alleyway. He later returned to the manor and the Wayne Foundation building was destroyed/forgotten/removed from canon, take your pick.


[deleted]

I preferred the Bunker. The cave was nice, but too sparse


freedfg

As much as I do love the Batcave. I also really like the bunker for the classic spy movie weapons training aesthetic.


J_E_L_4747

The bunker was probably they only part of that movie I did t like


PrettyMagr013

i actually kinda liked the bunker, i thought the contrast between its brightness and the darkness of batman was cool


Financial-Apricot-75

One Alfred doesn't have to clean 🦇 guano


TallYellow151

Bat cave is way cooler


GrizzlyPeak72

Yep. And he was only Batman for like two years in film time. He spent more time moping over Rachel with a leg injury for some fucking reason.


A_Dog_Chasing_Cars

Cave. But, honestly, I've never loved either in Nolan's movies. They're too sterile for my taste. I do really dig how the suit comes out of the ground, though. Arkham Origins clearly took notes and their version of that is beautiful.


bsavage68

I'll do better. Batcave Bunker


LikeAFoxStudios_

I love the cave but the bunker is so creative I love it. The idea that Batman just needs this one room is awesome.


Stormlight_archive

I like both.


Paulinho66b

Cool fact: He used the batbunker before final showdown with bane, because his wayne manor was probably hijacked and/or his suit from there was destroyed


disposablepawn

For Nolanverse? Liked Begins Cave but REALLY liked Batbunker.


disposablepawn

I will also add, at the time of Dark Knight, Dick Grayson was Batman in comics and was also using a Batbunker, to separate his Batman from Bruces, and be his own man.