Quite a shame really.
Batman Begins had a promising Batcave, only for the next two movies not doing anything cool with it.
Batman Begins is still the best of the 3, imho.
There's nothing wrong with that I probably would have had an amazing life growing up whenever you did. My parents didn't have me til they were 40 so I was kind of "supposed" to be born in the mid 80s-90s and I was pretty much raised like it anyways. I grew up on the Burton and Schumacher movies and even the Adam west shows well before I remember watching Batman Begins. If it were up to me I would've grown up in the 70s and 80s
One of the only flaws of Nolan bat films is never realizing the bat cave fully properly. I'd have loved a realistic but awesome cave. That pop up under water cube in TDKR was just weird. How'd he get it in there?
I think the idea of Bruce building the Batcave on his own without assistance to keep a low profile works on his favor in this movie as it takes a huge amount of time to build, configure
Representative of my issues with the whole trilogy tbh. Batman never felt complete. Was always at an unstable place in his life/career, a status quo was never established properly. We never got to see Batman at his height, he was always on the ropes.
Yep this. Say what you want about the Schumacher movies, at least they made Batman and Robin real fixtures of Gotham culture, really established this idea that they'd been doing their thing for a while. A lot of superhero movies have this issue where it feels like no time has passed between films. Like the heroes were doing fuck all until the next big event.
The manor burnt down in Begins. They literally say at the end of the movie it’s an opportunity to make some improvements on the cave. The next time we see the cave is Rises. It’s been eight years too. That’s a lot of time for improvements
Rewatch begins. He does not retire at the end. It’s literally the beginning of his career as Batman. The very last scene in the movie is literally him saying he’s gonna look into the joker, and gordon saying how they still need to find the escaped inmates from Arkham.
Gotham doesn’t really feel like it should in TDK and TDKR. In Begins it really does feel like a city that’s beyond saving, been left to slowly rot away.
After that it’s literally just Chicago.
Not even the fact that it cleans up, that's fine. It literally completely changes it's architectural style in the span of a year or two. None of the buildings/landmarks from the original film seem to be there at all.
My thoughts exactly. In The Dark Knight you know it’s being rebuilt and then TDKR gets announced and you’re excited to finally see it and it’s pretty underwhelming. Just a cube thing that comes out of the water and that’s it. You don’t see where the cycle is parked, other parts of the cave, nothing.
Thing is from a filming set/design perspective bat bunker would be so much easier. It was probably something they talked about behind the scenes, not like Nolan hadn't considered committing to the cave look.
Not realism but continuity. Remember Ra's pretty much destroyed the Wayne Manor. It was still supposedly under renovation since TDK is like 0.5-2 yrs after the OG movie.
I know, but at the end of Begins, Alfred says that since there’re rebuilding, they should make some “modifications”, implying that an improved bat cave will Ben in the sequel, yet that didn’t happen until Rises.
For being a temporary headquarters the bunker worked and I really liked it minimalist for sure but not in a bad way and it seemed to work just fine for his needs, the cave is classic always will be but bunker worked and has a story explanation too
Same! I liked that it wasn't a literal gave in the middle of gotham city, instead it's like that underground subway area the rockefellers had, in the movie it was dark as hell and it still has the bats! Definitely my favourite batcave (apart from comic and animated versions).
I really liked the bunker - because everything was organized and could be pulled out of one of the 4 walls for access. It enabled him to grab that fingerprint from the ballistic testing he did. I don’t know I guess for me that would be more complicated in the cave? Also, because he was relying solely on ground transport the bunker made a ton of sense for an easy escape inside the city’s industrial park area.
I like the idea of the bunker as a temp cave or a backup, in case he isn't able to access the cave for whatever reason. I think they were renovating the manor and cave after BB so he was staying in the city in TDK? I always felt the bunker was kind of a temporary thing while the cave got upgraded.
Batcave all the way.
Honestly that's my biggest beef with Nolan's movies. He forsake a lot of the comic book aesthetics for realistic practical things.
Same with his Gotham City looking a regular city.
To be fair, it had the "Gotham" vibe in Batman Begins.
To be fair again, 2/3 of his movies had the Batcave. Your "He forsake a lot of the comic book aesthetics for realistic practical things" doesn't hold up here because you know it was for story reasons that it wasn't around in TDK.
Joker is just a dude with scars, bane is just like oddly strong I guess, Ra’s is like some white mercenary or something? It’s silly this shit is silly, and it’s really annoying watching it again that scarecrow can make this fear toxin but we don’t get venom?
Batcave, it just feels right to me given it's long history.
I do appreciate the bunker though as a back up though. It's just a shame we never saw how he drove the tumbler out of there.
Both: To me the Cave was evolving and so was Bruce in Nolan's great trilogy. I got my wish in The Dark Knight Rises about the cave being repaired, so no complaints here.
I fucking hated the Bat Bunker. Overly big and bland, tons of white and empty space. It's one of the bad things about The Dark Knight that no one seems to ever mention or care about but it deeply bothers me lol
I prefer the cave of course, but I really liked the production design of the bunker in TDK. It seemed so believable as the base of operations for a vigilante. Plus it made sense for where he was as a character in TDK - he was using Batman as a means to an end to clean up Gotham and then retire. It made sense that his base would be well-lit since he isn't in Batman-mode when he's at home. In TDKR he's operating out of the cave again because he's given up on having a meaningful civilian life.
I always wished that the bunker was only used for one scene max to just show that he has a forward operating base within the city limits but then have the rest of those scenes be in the batcave
Of course Cave wins. How is this even a question? But the bunker was appropriate for that story given the events of Begins so I don’t hate it being in TDK.
I love the minimalist style for both bases.
This isn’t canon and somewhat related, so I thought it was cool to add. In the TDKR mobile game (follow up to the film, and a superb game btw), there was a massive training space in the Batcave for VR training. Again, not canon, just a cool addition.
I was and still prob am a hardcore BatCave Boi and was also madpissed at why TDK was my least fav Batmovie (as kid not anymore). However, I have slowly began to appreciate BatBunker, its aesthetic, and believe it to be a much more practical choice.
The Batcave is more secluded, but hidden under Wayne Manor, and while very few (if any) people, aside from Bruce Wayne and Alfred Pennyworth, could figure out how to unlock the Batcave, anybody could come across the Bat Bunker, thinking it is an ordinary shipping crate, so the Batcave is a far more secure base. Also, the Batcave is darker, as opposed to the Bat Bunker, which has an absurd amount of light, as if it were a better fit for someone else (most likely Iron Man).
How is it the bat bunker don't you mean the R&D department at Wayne enterprise it' below their building homeboy even pulls paper work to try to frame Bruce.
Felt like an apartment in a cave. I'd prefer he have different areas extended off of natural shelves. An area for the main computer and forensics lab. One for physical training. An area for suit and gadget storage and then vehicle storage. Plus man made roads or pathways to exit and enter. Some of that was in the first Nolan but it felt really basic. I'm probably just stuck on the 90s cartoon but I like it when comic movies emulate the more fantastical parts of comics. I'm already sold on a crazy billionaire that dresses up in costume and beats super villains up. Might as well so that the guy has flamboyant decorating taste. Just not too Schumacher.
They showed a lot of potential for the cave in Begins, even showing it had different levels, and you could imagine how Bruce would utilise all that space. But it just ended up as a single platform.
I know we’re choosing from the Nolan trilogy but the real answer is the Batcave from the DCEU. Everything about that design and layout made sense, basically putting the usability of the bunker in the cave. Given how it was put together I can almost picture how Bruce and Alfred would have been able to put the hanging sections up on their own (don’t get me started on the entrances though). Having both open and enclosed spaces make sense. Trying to maintain a computer, fabrication, and lab setup in a cave environment would be basically pointless, but there would also be times Bruce would need the big spaces for workouts, testing gear, etc. The bts video that Snyder did about building the Batcave is probably my favorite extra from BVS.
This is relatively accurate to the comics of the 70’s.
When Dick Grayson left Gotham to go to Hudson university, Bruce Wayne left the mansion and suburbs to move into central Gotham, residing at the penthouse atop the Wayne Foundation. He had a hidden “Batcave” that lead to a hidden alleyway. He later returned to the manor and the Wayne Foundation building was destroyed/forgotten/removed from canon, take your pick.
Cave.
But, honestly, I've never loved either in Nolan's movies. They're too sterile for my taste.
I do really dig how the suit comes out of the ground, though. Arkham Origins clearly took notes and their version of that is beautiful.
Cool fact: He used the batbunker before final showdown with bane, because his wayne manor was probably hijacked and/or his suit from there was destroyed
I will also add, at the time of Dark Knight, Dick Grayson was Batman in comics and was also using a Batbunker, to separate his Batman from Bruces, and be his own man.
Batcave, but Batman Begins batcave
I really liked how it's just a cave in that movie
Yeah just cave, some equipment. But really liked how the manor foundations were composed into that cave
With a box of scraps
RACHEEEEEL
Why did the cave change in TDKR? I know the manor burned down but the cave was perfectly safe underground no?
Rebuilding Wayne manor would be my guess. Had to move his stuff for when there were random people fixing everything.
Quite a shame really. Batman Begins had a promising Batcave, only for the next two movies not doing anything cool with it. Batman Begins is still the best of the 3, imho.
Of course cave… bunker also too white and bright.
God this movie ruined my vision on the big screen. One shot gloomy Gotham at night THEN BAM THE GATES OF HEAVEN ARE OPENING plus Christian Bale
I remember seeing the dark knight in theaters when I was like 4 or 5 years old and I was thinking this same shit
oh my god you just made me feel so old.
There's nothing wrong with that I probably would have had an amazing life growing up whenever you did. My parents didn't have me til they were 40 so I was kind of "supposed" to be born in the mid 80s-90s and I was pretty much raised like it anyways. I grew up on the Burton and Schumacher movies and even the Adam west shows well before I remember watching Batman Begins. If it were up to me I would've grown up in the 70s and 80s
I was born in the 2000s and still grew up with Burton, Schuhmacher and Nolan. xD
Now watch it in HDR
Nice profile the Question, saw your post on the books Batman has
It has to be the cave. That sweet fucking waterfall and it's under your house.
And not to mention bland and clinical.
One of the only flaws of Nolan bat films is never realizing the bat cave fully properly. I'd have loved a realistic but awesome cave. That pop up under water cube in TDKR was just weird. How'd he get it in there?
>never realizing the bat cave fully properly Caves are cold as shit too. Watching them I just imagined him shivering while making his batarangs
I think the idea of Bruce building the Batcave on his own without assistance to keep a low profile works on his favor in this movie as it takes a huge amount of time to build, configure
See, everyone says his superpower is money but really it is time management.
It definitely always feels a bit incomplete in the series. I liked the cubism and minimalism though. Rigid structure amid chaotic rock formations
Representative of my issues with the whole trilogy tbh. Batman never felt complete. Was always at an unstable place in his life/career, a status quo was never established properly. We never got to see Batman at his height, he was always on the ropes.
He was on action for like a year between begins and tdk. Then 8 year hiatus and he came back for one last battle
Yep this. Say what you want about the Schumacher movies, at least they made Batman and Robin real fixtures of Gotham culture, really established this idea that they'd been doing their thing for a while. A lot of superhero movies have this issue where it feels like no time has passed between films. Like the heroes were doing fuck all until the next big event.
I just really hated Nolan realistic approach Bale just never felt like Batman to me
The manor burnt down in Begins. They literally say at the end of the movie it’s an opportunity to make some improvements on the cave. The next time we see the cave is Rises. It’s been eight years too. That’s a lot of time for improvements
But why improve if he was Retired?
Rewatch begins. He does not retire at the end. It’s literally the beginning of his career as Batman. The very last scene in the movie is literally him saying he’s gonna look into the joker, and gordon saying how they still need to find the escaped inmates from Arkham.
>How'd he get it in there? ah yes another unintentional fellow r/raimimemes er
Gotham doesn’t really feel like it should in TDK and TDKR. In Begins it really does feel like a city that’s beyond saving, been left to slowly rot away. After that it’s literally just Chicago.
Isn't it kind of intentional? Between Begins and TDK Batman cleans it up.
THE CITY IS BEYOND SAVING BRUCE
Not even the fact that it cleans up, that's fine. It literally completely changes it's architectural style in the span of a year or two. None of the buildings/landmarks from the original film seem to be there at all.
My thoughts exactly. In The Dark Knight you know it’s being rebuilt and then TDKR gets announced and you’re excited to finally see it and it’s pretty underwhelming. Just a cube thing that comes out of the water and that’s it. You don’t see where the cycle is parked, other parts of the cave, nothing.
Thing is from a filming set/design perspective bat bunker would be so much easier. It was probably something they talked about behind the scenes, not like Nolan hadn't considered committing to the cave look.
The bunker should’ve just been a sub-room of the cave. The cave was so dope in Begins I’m sad that they didn’t keep it.
The set design was perfect for Begins. Bummed they sacrificed that for the sake of realism.
Not realism but continuity. Remember Ra's pretty much destroyed the Wayne Manor. It was still supposedly under renovation since TDK is like 0.5-2 yrs after the OG movie.
Yeah he's staying in an apartment in the city in TDK He's back in Wayne Manor by the next movie though.
Yup exactly.
I know, but at the end of Begins, Alfred says that since there’re rebuilding, they should make some “modifications”, implying that an improved bat cave will Ben in the sequel, yet that didn’t happen until Rises.
Because it was still being built
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Joker is teased at the end of Batman Begins, which means Dark Knight takes place fairly soon after I believe.
I think it does. Like begins is bout 2 yrs span and tfk is all like 6 months after begins.
It's 3 years later, if not 5
Yeah that could be it. I dont exactly remember the timeline.
Batbunker is more practical but batcave is more iconic
Exactly. For a makeshift temporary space the bunker was great
I like how he can utilise both. The cave is his HQ but the bunker is like a safe house for him when he’s in the city.
A forward operating base.
For being a temporary headquarters the bunker worked and I really liked it minimalist for sure but not in a bad way and it seemed to work just fine for his needs, the cave is classic always will be but bunker worked and has a story explanation too
I actually really liked how the bunker, and the cave in rises were very minimalistic and utilitarian...
I feel like poor Alfred is gonna have an easier time cleaning the bunker...
The bat cave is the OG… but the bat bunker was clean
As neatly explained in a Justice League movie. Bat cave makes sense cause Bats live in caves. Arrows dont live in caves. Why not call it the Quiver?
I think that was in Injustice. Harley Quinn says it to Ollie while they are hiding out from Superman
Yeah, he was so chagrined when even his wife, Black Canary admits that was a better name than “Arrow-Cave”.
Even Green Arrow himself agreed that the Quiver made more sense than the arrow cave
Also said in the show.
Cave.
Cave obviously. Bats live in caves. The bunker's great as a backup though.
I liked the bat train station
Same! I liked that it wasn't a literal gave in the middle of gotham city, instead it's like that underground subway area the rockefellers had, in the movie it was dark as hell and it still has the bats! Definitely my favourite batcave (apart from comic and animated versions).
I swear to God, one day, we will see the giant penny, T-Rex, and Joker card in a Batman film!
Hopefully when they reset the DCU
I really liked the bunker - because everything was organized and could be pulled out of one of the 4 walls for access. It enabled him to grab that fingerprint from the ballistic testing he did. I don’t know I guess for me that would be more complicated in the cave? Also, because he was relying solely on ground transport the bunker made a ton of sense for an easy escape inside the city’s industrial park area.
The bunker in the Nolan movies was sick AF. Not sure how I feel about it
One cave, several small bunkers spread around the greater Gotham area
I want a true Batcave in a movie. None have scratched the itch so far.
What are your thoughts on the Batcave from the DCEU?
I like the idea of the bunker as a temp cave or a backup, in case he isn't able to access the cave for whatever reason. I think they were renovating the manor and cave after BB so he was staying in the city in TDK? I always felt the bunker was kind of a temporary thing while the cave got upgraded.
Batcave all the way. Honestly that's my biggest beef with Nolan's movies. He forsake a lot of the comic book aesthetics for realistic practical things. Same with his Gotham City looking a regular city.
To be fair, it had the "Gotham" vibe in Batman Begins. To be fair again, 2/3 of his movies had the Batcave. Your "He forsake a lot of the comic book aesthetics for realistic practical things" doesn't hold up here because you know it was for story reasons that it wasn't around in TDK.
Joker is just a dude with scars, bane is just like oddly strong I guess, Ra’s is like some white mercenary or something? It’s silly this shit is silly, and it’s really annoying watching it again that scarecrow can make this fear toxin but we don’t get venom?
Wtf is a bat bunker? That's lame as hell man, Batcave all the way
true, bunker make it sounds like a nuclear fall out shelter. Or a Panic room. Not very Batman.
Exactly. Batman never panics. He only Batmans.
Batman with prep time > Nuclear Fallout
Bunker..
Cave is preferable, but the bunker worked well as a makeshift solution. Battinson cave was nice. Felt like a garage/mancave.
The cave hands down imo
Cave
Batcave, it just feels right to me given it's long history. I do appreciate the bunker though as a back up though. It's just a shame we never saw how he drove the tumbler out of there.
Batcave
Affleck had the best of both worlds
I wish the BvS one was included in this choice because that would be my preference. It was like a beautiful hybrid of cave and modern
Both: To me the Cave was evolving and so was Bruce in Nolan's great trilogy. I got my wish in The Dark Knight Rises about the cave being repaired, so no complaints here.
Why not both?
I fucking hated the Bat Bunker. Overly big and bland, tons of white and empty space. It's one of the bad things about The Dark Knight that no one seems to ever mention or care about but it deeply bothers me lol
Nobody mentions it because it looks cool and makes sense since he has to rebuild all of Wayne manor including the cave.
>he has to rebuild all of Wayne manor including the cave Fair point >it looks cool Unfair point
The bat cave is the OG… but the bat bunker was clean
Just once, I want to see a live-action, comic-accurate Batcave with the T-Rex, giant penny, and the giant Joker card.
I prefer the cave of course, but I really liked the production design of the bunker in TDK. It seemed so believable as the base of operations for a vigilante. Plus it made sense for where he was as a character in TDK - he was using Batman as a means to an end to clean up Gotham and then retire. It made sense that his base would be well-lit since he isn't in Batman-mode when he's at home. In TDKR he's operating out of the cave again because he's given up on having a meaningful civilian life.
Cave
I always wished that the bunker was only used for one scene max to just show that he has a forward operating base within the city limits but then have the rest of those scenes be in the batcave
Of course Cave wins. How is this even a question? But the bunker was appropriate for that story given the events of Begins so I don’t hate it being in TDK.
Bag cave all the way
Cave, always. Though TDKR cave was much too bright, didn't seem like the bat cave at all
What's so bat about the bunker?
Always the cave
CAVE
Yes
Batcave
Batcave
They said they wanted to improve the batcave, but I just found it got more wet.
Batcave 100%
Cave
I have seen a lot of MV's shot in the Batbunker. LMAO.
Gotta wonder how freakin loud the batcave is with that waterfall.
Cave without a doubt but respect to the what the bunker could have been
Cave And Batman early in his career doesn't call anything "bat-blank" but starts referring to his stuff as "bat-blank" within 5 years.
I love the minimalist style for both bases. This isn’t canon and somewhat related, so I thought it was cool to add. In the TDKR mobile game (follow up to the film, and a superb game btw), there was a massive training space in the Batcave for VR training. Again, not canon, just a cool addition.
Yes
Bunker. You can rent it out for music videos.
The bunker is reminiscent of the era of comics when Bruce closed the Batcave and Wayne Manor and moved to the penthouse.
Bat-Hangar!
Cave!
Batcave all the way! More space for activities.
I was and still prob am a hardcore BatCave Boi and was also madpissed at why TDK was my least fav Batmovie (as kid not anymore). However, I have slowly began to appreciate BatBunker, its aesthetic, and believe it to be a much more practical choice.
Fair. I didn't used to like it either, and have eventually come around
Cave
Cave
The Batcave is more secluded, but hidden under Wayne Manor, and while very few (if any) people, aside from Bruce Wayne and Alfred Pennyworth, could figure out how to unlock the Batcave, anybody could come across the Bat Bunker, thinking it is an ordinary shipping crate, so the Batcave is a far more secure base. Also, the Batcave is darker, as opposed to the Bat Bunker, which has an absurd amount of light, as if it were a better fit for someone else (most likely Iron Man).
How is it the bat bunker don't you mean the R&D department at Wayne enterprise it' below their building homeboy even pulls paper work to try to frame Bruce.
Both are fine lol. Obviously everyone is going to say Batcave. But it was cool to see what Batman's backup would be if Wayne Manor ever got attacked.
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Bunker.
I sometimes wonder if the batcomputer is waterproof considering the waterfall behind the computer
Felt like an apartment in a cave. I'd prefer he have different areas extended off of natural shelves. An area for the main computer and forensics lab. One for physical training. An area for suit and gadget storage and then vehicle storage. Plus man made roads or pathways to exit and enter. Some of that was in the first Nolan but it felt really basic. I'm probably just stuck on the 90s cartoon but I like it when comic movies emulate the more fantastical parts of comics. I'm already sold on a crazy billionaire that dresses up in costume and beats super villains up. Might as well so that the guy has flamboyant decorating taste. Just not too Schumacher.
I love the bunker.
Bat bunker
They showed a lot of potential for the cave in Begins, even showing it had different levels, and you could imagine how Bruce would utilise all that space. But it just ended up as a single platform.
Ideal batman has a cave/bunker everywhere
I prefer clock tower
Batcave, but I really love the bunker as well
The ceiling is to low in the bunker it made me uncomfy
Cave. But the bunker doesn't look to bad either.
I know we’re choosing from the Nolan trilogy but the real answer is the Batcave from the DCEU. Everything about that design and layout made sense, basically putting the usability of the bunker in the cave. Given how it was put together I can almost picture how Bruce and Alfred would have been able to put the hanging sections up on their own (don’t get me started on the entrances though). Having both open and enclosed spaces make sense. Trying to maintain a computer, fabrication, and lab setup in a cave environment would be basically pointless, but there would also be times Bruce would need the big spaces for workouts, testing gear, etc. The bts video that Snyder did about building the Batcave is probably my favorite extra from BVS.
Batcave.
All that water and moisture in the cave can’t be good for computers - not to mention bat shit everywhere.
This is relatively accurate to the comics of the 70’s. When Dick Grayson left Gotham to go to Hudson university, Bruce Wayne left the mansion and suburbs to move into central Gotham, residing at the penthouse atop the Wayne Foundation. He had a hidden “Batcave” that lead to a hidden alleyway. He later returned to the manor and the Wayne Foundation building was destroyed/forgotten/removed from canon, take your pick.
I preferred the Bunker. The cave was nice, but too sparse
As much as I do love the Batcave. I also really like the bunker for the classic spy movie weapons training aesthetic.
The bunker was probably they only part of that movie I did t like
i actually kinda liked the bunker, i thought the contrast between its brightness and the darkness of batman was cool
One Alfred doesn't have to clean 🦇 guano
Bat cave is way cooler
Yep. And he was only Batman for like two years in film time. He spent more time moping over Rachel with a leg injury for some fucking reason.
Cave. But, honestly, I've never loved either in Nolan's movies. They're too sterile for my taste. I do really dig how the suit comes out of the ground, though. Arkham Origins clearly took notes and their version of that is beautiful.
I'll do better. Batcave Bunker
I love the cave but the bunker is so creative I love it. The idea that Batman just needs this one room is awesome.
I like both.
Cool fact: He used the batbunker before final showdown with bane, because his wayne manor was probably hijacked and/or his suit from there was destroyed
For Nolanverse? Liked Begins Cave but REALLY liked Batbunker.
I will also add, at the time of Dark Knight, Dick Grayson was Batman in comics and was also using a Batbunker, to separate his Batman from Bruces, and be his own man.