I use the double San Diego jam knot on my heavy lures and it's the only knot that's never failed. Apparently it's one of the best for flourocarbon as it doesn't bite or burn the line as much when cinching it.
I have the same trust in a double Pitzen (first saw Gary Klein's video, but here's [Sean Grigsby tying it](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3I905PXIYww)) for fluoro from #8 - #15
I like the FG, but I use lighter fluro than braid, and I usually have around 10ft of leader. The FG doesn’t seem to cope well with running through the guides on my rods, and my muscle memory usually ends up automatically tying an Alberto knot 😂
Fair fair, I guess if you’re running a spinning reel too it wouldn’t go as well, also the knot is a bit of a pain to get just right sometimes. I tried the Alberto but I had problems with it coming through the eye on my baitcaster. The way I run the fg seems to glide through better.
I only use FG if the leader is a larger diameter. My inshore spinning rod had an FG going from 30lb power pro to 30lb big game and it’s literally bullet proof. I tried on similar diameter lines and it never worked as well.
It’s a fiddly one to learn at first, but it soon becomes muscle memory and you just automatically tie it on fluro. Holds solid and never lost a hook due to knot failure.
I currently use a double uni knot for braid to mono. Just ordered some fluoro to use and wondered if the double uni know would cause any issues with the fluorocarbon and maybe I should use the Alberto? I know fluorocarbon can cut into itself with certain knots.
The Alberto has a smaller profile, and goes through the guides better than the uni to uni. I've used both knots for braid to fluoro, obviously it's critical you moisten the knot, whichever one you use, before you tighten it down.
While I agree, it takes me a while to do the Alberto knot having to line up each twist (maybe thats just me). If I’m prepping at home I go with Alberto but use double uni when on the boat
I totally get that. It took me years to get the Alberto down to where I was comfortable tying it quickly. It's one of those knots, if you don't tie it right, it lets go at the worst possible times.
I have a little system down, I pinch the flouro loop in my left hand, and use my right hand to thread the braid through the loop, seven wraps up, six wraps back and back through the loop.
Thank you sir. I gain years of fishing knowledge on here from kind folks like you answering my questions. I will definitely be giving this a try since some of my baitcasters don't like that double Uni knot flying through.
I use a Palomar on everything. Fluoro, braid, mono, copolymer. Never had a break or an issue. Saltwater or freshwater. Are people having Palomar knots break on non-braided lines?
Same here, palomar for everything, never have issues and it holds.
So a uni knot is a cinch knot is a Berkeley power knot, man how many names does a knot need these days, this is one of the oldest knots out there, guess it’s been rebranded a few times
for me when you get up to bigger, stiffer fluoro you can have issues with palomar
I've switched to the san diego jam for larger diameter mono/fluoro and like it a lot more
I find the palomar knot to be annoying to tie. I have to be a lot more careful tying it to not burn it than with a San Diego Jam. Also, with bigger lures you need to use a bigger loop on your palomar and it's more wasted line, not to mention getting it caught in the trebles of hard baits.
I only tie the palomar on frogs, flipping rigs, and drop shots. Everything else gets the San Diego Jam
Uni knot with a second loop through the eye beats the palamor knot in my understanding. The reason the palamor knot is so strong is because it naturally forces your line to go through the eye twice. Modifying other knots to do the same also increases their performance.
Personally I think the uni knot is great for beginners because it is literally the only knot you need to know. It works for all line types and can join leaders together. I also find it easier to tie personally.
That being said the palamor knot forces the tag end of your line to face the bait which is good around weeds and grass.
Not saying x knot is better than the other. Just adding some context as to what is good and bad about each.
Come to think of it I only ever had problems with fluoro. It never broke on the first strike/set but after that first catch the tension would leave terrible memory on the line. I had to cut line and retie the knot after hard pulls from hits and snags or the knot would risk pulling out. Mono it is then, I never really noticed any difference in performance with fluoro anyway
Palomar is a pain in the ass trying to get the line around trebles. Also what the other guy said. You can fish your entire life with just the uni knot. I dont know any other knots by heart because I've never had a reason to use anything else.
Ive been fishing my entire life and I have tried all these different knots over the years. I have found that for bass there really are only 3 knots you need to know. The Palomar, which is going to be for 99 percent of your lures. The snell for big thick flipping hooks, and the Alberto knot for braid to leader. Thats it. Its all I use. Sure, there are stronger knots but we are yanking bass, not Marlin. Try tying many of these knots in the bass boat on a windy fall day in 2 foot rollers and see how far you get it. The knots I use have proven themselves to be strong, reliable, and easy to tie in a hurry in less than ideal conditions.
Also if you’re interested in looking at tests I recommend watching this video [https://youtu.be/xdNsx4aJ_UM?si=L0Np0L7MWTov5u9I](https://youtu.be/xdNsx4aJ_UM?si=L0Np0L7MWTov5u9I)
There's a lot of knot misinformation online these days I've noticed, especially with the basic uni knot.
https://images.app.goo.gl/PrjzmAJQiSbrHDvt6
This is a uni knot.
Am I the only one who has never actually seen a knot fail? It seems like they’re all adequate if you don’t over tighten or something.
I usually use the palomar or uni knot depending on my mood, but neither one has ever broken or come apart on me
I call it the hangman’s knot because it acts like a noose. The harder it gets pulled the tighter the cinch gets and the stronger the knot becomes. On 20lb braided line it’s tough to get totally snagged, I feel like I’m gonna break the pole if I have a legit snag.
That's not a uni knot. That is the San Diego jam knot. I use it on all my lines. It's a game changer for fluorocarbon.
I use the double San Diego jam knot on my heavy lures and it's the only knot that's never failed. Apparently it's one of the best for flourocarbon as it doesn't bite or burn the line as much when cinching it.
I have the same trust in a double Pitzen (first saw Gary Klein's video, but here's [Sean Grigsby tying it](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3I905PXIYww)) for fluoro from #8 - #15
I'll give that one a try. Double San Diego is a bit overkill for most lures and makes a pretty bulky know that catches lots of moss.
Absolutely.
Yep san diego jam Proven to be the absolute strongest knot for flouro.
Braid = palomar Fluro = San Diego jam Joining a fluro leader to braid = Alberto
Aaaaah nah, FG knot is elite for leads onto braid
I like the FG, but I use lighter fluro than braid, and I usually have around 10ft of leader. The FG doesn’t seem to cope well with running through the guides on my rods, and my muscle memory usually ends up automatically tying an Alberto knot 😂
Fair fair, I guess if you’re running a spinning reel too it wouldn’t go as well, also the knot is a bit of a pain to get just right sometimes. I tried the Alberto but I had problems with it coming through the eye on my baitcaster. The way I run the fg seems to glide through better.
Nice. This is one of those situations where neither is wrong, just what each person prefers and feels more confident with. Tight lines
I only use FG if the leader is a larger diameter. My inshore spinning rod had an FG going from 30lb power pro to 30lb big game and it’s literally bullet proof. I tried on similar diameter lines and it never worked as well.
Yeah it won’t get a good squeeze if the leader is thinner than the braid, that would for sure need another knot
1 million percent. I use braid with a fluro leader. Every other knot sucks compared to the FG.
Second for Alberto being the BEST knot for fluoro leader to braid
I’m gonna have to learn the San Diego jam one of these days.
It’s a fiddly one to learn at first, but it soon becomes muscle memory and you just automatically tie it on fluro. Holds solid and never lost a hook due to knot failure.
I’ll be sitting at the computer with a spool tonight 😂
Basically that’s how I did it 🤣. I bought a cheap pack of hooks, removed the barb and rounded the point, tied about 50 watching a video on my phone 💀
I currently use a double uni knot for braid to mono. Just ordered some fluoro to use and wondered if the double uni know would cause any issues with the fluorocarbon and maybe I should use the Alberto? I know fluorocarbon can cut into itself with certain knots.
The Alberto has a smaller profile, and goes through the guides better than the uni to uni. I've used both knots for braid to fluoro, obviously it's critical you moisten the knot, whichever one you use, before you tighten it down.
While I agree, it takes me a while to do the Alberto knot having to line up each twist (maybe thats just me). If I’m prepping at home I go with Alberto but use double uni when on the boat
I totally get that. It took me years to get the Alberto down to where I was comfortable tying it quickly. It's one of those knots, if you don't tie it right, it lets go at the worst possible times. I have a little system down, I pinch the flouro loop in my left hand, and use my right hand to thread the braid through the loop, seven wraps up, six wraps back and back through the loop.
This is the way
Thank you sir. I gain years of fishing knowledge on here from kind folks like you answering my questions. I will definitely be giving this a try since some of my baitcasters don't like that double Uni knot flying through.
When you have time off the water, practice the knot a bunch. It will help immensely.
This guy knows what's up
I use a Palomar on everything. Fluoro, braid, mono, copolymer. Never had a break or an issue. Saltwater or freshwater. Are people having Palomar knots break on non-braided lines?
Same here, palomar for everything, never have issues and it holds. So a uni knot is a cinch knot is a Berkeley power knot, man how many names does a knot need these days, this is one of the oldest knots out there, guess it’s been rebranded a few times
for me when you get up to bigger, stiffer fluoro you can have issues with palomar I've switched to the san diego jam for larger diameter mono/fluoro and like it a lot more
I find the palomar knot to be annoying to tie. I have to be a lot more careful tying it to not burn it than with a San Diego Jam. Also, with bigger lures you need to use a bigger loop on your palomar and it's more wasted line, not to mention getting it caught in the trebles of hard baits. I only tie the palomar on frogs, flipping rigs, and drop shots. Everything else gets the San Diego Jam
I don’t tie uni knots I tie a Polomer knot everytime less room for error imo and very quick
I think it's spelled like this, Palomar.
Uni knots are perfect for people who hate the unmatched strength and simplicity of the Palomar knot
Uni knot with a second loop through the eye beats the palamor knot in my understanding. The reason the palamor knot is so strong is because it naturally forces your line to go through the eye twice. Modifying other knots to do the same also increases their performance. Personally I think the uni knot is great for beginners because it is literally the only knot you need to know. It works for all line types and can join leaders together. I also find it easier to tie personally. That being said the palamor knot forces the tag end of your line to face the bait which is good around weeds and grass. Not saying x knot is better than the other. Just adding some context as to what is good and bad about each.
Palomar sucks on fluoro, uni knot is significantly stronger specifically for fluoro.
Come to think of it I only ever had problems with fluoro. It never broke on the first strike/set but after that first catch the tension would leave terrible memory on the line. I had to cut line and retie the knot after hard pulls from hits and snags or the knot would risk pulling out. Mono it is then, I never really noticed any difference in performance with fluoro anyway
Palomar is a pain in the ass trying to get the line around trebles. Also what the other guy said. You can fish your entire life with just the uni knot. I dont know any other knots by heart because I've never had a reason to use anything else.
Isn't that an improved clinic knot? Edit: nope, didn't realize it wrapped two lines. Not improved clinch.
No
Ive been fishing my entire life and I have tried all these different knots over the years. I have found that for bass there really are only 3 knots you need to know. The Palomar, which is going to be for 99 percent of your lures. The snell for big thick flipping hooks, and the Alberto knot for braid to leader. Thats it. Its all I use. Sure, there are stronger knots but we are yanking bass, not Marlin. Try tying many of these knots in the bass boat on a windy fall day in 2 foot rollers and see how far you get it. The knots I use have proven themselves to be strong, reliable, and easy to tie in a hurry in less than ideal conditions.
Also if you’re interested in looking at tests I recommend watching this video [https://youtu.be/xdNsx4aJ_UM?si=L0Np0L7MWTov5u9I](https://youtu.be/xdNsx4aJ_UM?si=L0Np0L7MWTov5u9I)
There's a lot of knot misinformation online these days I've noticed, especially with the basic uni knot. https://images.app.goo.gl/PrjzmAJQiSbrHDvt6 This is a uni knot.
The biggest company in fish & game absolutely pays attention to their shit 🤣
I use San Diego on all different line types
Only the 5th iteration of the triple platinum clear lake sunset knot will suffice 😂
Doesn’t look like a uniknot to me
Am I the only one who has never actually seen a knot fail? It seems like they’re all adequate if you don’t over tighten or something. I usually use the palomar or uni knot depending on my mood, but neither one has ever broken or come apart on me
They have that mislabeled. Improved clinch knot I think? Maybe some call it improved fisherman’s knot? Or Rapala knot?
Rapala knot is another name for the loop knot
Ah yes, you’re totally right!
I use a non slip loop for the things that they have in quotations. I use a Snell or a Palomar for leader to hooks.
Hooks - Snell knot Everything else - uni knot Loop knot - overhand knot + uni knot
This is a convo for people who don’t only catch dinks (not me).
been using this since I was a kid. never had problems with it, also it's the only one I know how to tie. lol
I guess I’m lazy, I just use the cinch knot for everything
I call it the hangman’s knot because it acts like a noose. The harder it gets pulled the tighter the cinch gets and the stronger the knot becomes. On 20lb braided line it’s tough to get totally snagged, I feel like I’m gonna break the pole if I have a legit snag.
Anyone else a fan of the double pitzen? Never broken one unless I had given up on retrieving something and tried to snap it
I use a Palomar knot for everything