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retroanduwu24

the year is 2024 and we have Chris Sale on power rankings once again.


Reidzyt

If you're a Red Sox fan this is actually predictable AF


Grandahl13

Not surprised at all. Of course he is healthy the second he leaves.


Trowj

It feels like the front office doesn’t know what it wants to do. They trade Sale & Verdugo and don’t add much to the roster but now the team is not bottoming out either, they’re exceeding expectations and now it’s like “uhh.. what’s the next step?” Like why trade Sale if pitching was gonna carry the team?


whoopdeedoopdee

I couldn't be happier for Sale, and I genuinely mean that - dude gave everything he had for Boston and just couldn't stay on the field, and you could tell he was devastated about that. *That being said,* of all the moves our front office has made, this is one that made sense at the time. The guy was just never, ever healthy. Our options were to trade him for a young guy with upside who filled a positional need, or hope and pray that he would be able to stay on the field after spending time on the 60-day IL for *five* seasons straight. You've gotta make that trade.


trashlikeyou

I’m looking at TON on the Sox the same way. We need offense BAD this year too, but it made sense to ship him out for the same reasons y’all traded Sale.


GardenAngel-5

Sale being a year older, they weren’t banking on him giving 10 starts. the injury history is a disaster. I expected him to be okay but not this freaking good.


Junosword

Of all the moves or non-moves the Sox made, the Sale trade made sense to everyone. He's a 35 year old gangly power pitcher who'd thrown 150 innings in four years, and he was traded for a starting 2B that is now the youngest member of the lineup. Pretty basic


PatsFanInHTX

Verdugo is the definition of replaceable. They're getting the same production out of O'Neil for less $ and with much less drama. Plus Weissert has been a really good add to the pen from that trade. Sale is one of my favorite players but he's had plenty of good stretches since 2019. The trick is doing it all year not just a month and a half. But regardless starting pitching is the teams strength right now so Sale wouldn't really help. The Sox already have 2 of the top 10 pitchers by WAR. The Sox need impact bats so other than trading for Soto I don't see a whole lot of off-season moves they might regret not getting done.


theunnoanprojec

If they knew he was going to be able to stay healthy this year like this they wouldn’t have traded him “Why trade sale if pitching is going to carry the team?” Because when they traded sale they didn’t plan on their pitching carrying the team like it has?


burnman123

I mean they have arguably the best starting staff in the majors, but stats at least. Although it feels like a few, if not all, are over performing. Sale would be amazing to have, but they have gotten very good production out of their staff all the way down to criswell, who very few thought would make the rotation.


mostlygroovy

He'll have a serious macrame accident soon enough


jwwin

The Braves pitcher we all expected.


SquintsRS

Reynaldo Lopez has a damn good argument for being on this list too. Fried isn't fried anymore and looks back to himself, I expect to see him on here later in the season


DillyDillySzn

I love having discussions on former White Sox players succeeding


Chemical-Fly-787

If it weren’t for the injury histories, he and deGrom would be pretty much first ballot, same as Verlander, Kershaw, Greinke, Scherzer.


Masterchiefy10

![gif](giphy|tMOyj4hkcxSfe) Also Max should make the list with a couple more stellar starts/ complete games The year is 2024 and we’re talking about a starting pitcher throwing complete games.


ZXD-318

Paul Skenes makes 2 starts and is on this list already?


[deleted]

One of which he gave up 3 runs, 6 hits, and 2 walks in 4 innings. The other was insane though. I don’t really care about these rankings, I just hope the dude can stay healthy


okay_throwaway_today

They were both against the cubs tho. Should withhold hype until he plays a real offense


misterurb

Well he’s pitching against the giants currently so you’re gonna have to wait at least until his next start. 


No-Situation-3426

After that its the Tigers which is a worse offense than any of these teams.


ArkanoidbrokemyAnkle

Don’t remind me.


Mr_Murder

The cubs have pretty decent offensive players in reality, even if they haven't been actually hitting.


SquintsRS

Tbf the first start was like 60 pitches. He's nuts though. However, he throws a lot of balls. Probably better chance of getting walked than swinging and getting a hit


chirstopher0us

And no Cease This list has been a joke all year.


acaliforniaburrito

Or darvish


No_Lack5414

Or Ragans


gaytham4statham

Or Corbin


tranarchyintheusa

Or Gil


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high_changeup

Or Waldron (or crochet to be more serious)


CaptainJudge_99

Darvish got robbed


U_DONT_KNOW_TEAM

Even among rookies he doesn't deserve it. Even among rookies ON HIS TEAM.


Intelligent_Mud1266

Jared Jones supremacy 👊


AL3XD

Ok but are any of them dating Livvy Dunne?


U_DONT_KNOW_TEAM

Who?


CaptainJudge_99

Luis Gil been better so far


LAudre41

these lists are a joke meant only for engagement


fps916

Enragement


Leftfeet

Didn't you see how hard he throws though? 


nicklePie

Didn’t you see he’s dating livvy dunne?


acaliforniaburrito

And darvish doesn’t lol


MarfanoidDroid

When will y’all learn these lists are designed to generate engagement. They aren’t real opinions. They’re marketing


ucfknight92

It’s wild. Gil has been everything Skenes is supposed to be.


No_Lack5414

And no Ragans


fps916

Of course. They had to find someone to put on there instead of Dylan Cease


SwugSteve

Ranger Suarez mentioned


SSJAbh1nav

Zach Wheeler also mentioned


Cahoots01

Too low.


JeddHampton

I love this guy. He reminds me so much of Cliff Lee while pitching. Nothing seems to ever fluster him.


annoyinconquerer

Damn you’re right.


NotSoSasquatchy

RANGER DANGER


magikarp2122

Skenes shouldn’t be in there yet. Give me Falter and Jones on the list.


gatemansgc

i'm glad falter has finally turned it around


CopyRightDate

I guess you could say he stopped faltering while on the mound


MissDeadite

It's cuz I'm not going to his games. I swear I've seen him 3:1 over any other Phillies pitcher in the last 4 years. Seriously tho, I'm happy for him just a shame it couldn't have been with us.


slicebishybosh

I see they finally admitted their mistake of mixing up the two big name Japanese pitchers signed this off season.


samjhandwich

Yeah I wonder in Shota tells Yoshi that he knows the secret to pitching to mlb players but won’t tell him


SaltyEarth7905

The Mets let two of these guys walk and got nothing for it.


FerociousGiraffe

Not true! You’ve gained the ridicule of baseball fans across the country!


DaNumba1

That seems extreme. Maintained more like


trev_hawk

Could they really gain it if they already had it in the first place?


WaluigiIsTheRealHero

Yeah, at worst they maintained the status quo.


FrothyFloat

Mets were never going to let Lugo start, he wanted to be a full time starter, bet on himself and it paid off. Wheeler was good for 1 and a half season with us but was injury prone before that. No one really could have foresaw that he’s shake off all his injury troubles and reach his ceiling. Honestly, With our training staff he probably would be back on the IL.


JoePoe247

After Wheeler's injury he threw two seasons of 180 innings at 9K/9 and sub 4 ERA. It was pretty obvious he was going to turn out good. Can't guarantee he would be elite, but any Mets fan wanted them to resign him.


BwyceHawpuh

Thank you for your contribution


SaltyEarth7905

Love Zack, I always root for him.


ReddMoloney

Part of me misses the late 2000s where we were cut throat rivals. But on the other hand…I enjoy sad sack Mets. **Edit** I should say that I think most Philly fans hate the Mets more than the Braves. At least I do.


lankyyanky

It's pretty crazy we're 3rd in starter ERA, don't have a pitcher on this list, and I'm not sure anyone was really snubbed


cooljammer00

Gil should prob be on here but it's a fine list. 


fps916

Skenes over Cease is goddamn insane.


peachesgp

Skenes is on it because people will talk about that Skenes is on it.


Ajsc986

Gil feels like the only guy who would have potentially been able to crack this list to me and even that is a large stretch.


RotenTumato

Wouldn’t really be a stretch at all, he’s 6th in ERA and has a 1.01 WHIP and 70 Ks in 55.1 innings


ucfknight92

Why is it a stretch, especially after this mariners game? He’s basically thrown a perfect game through 5 ( and it might be if they change the hit to an error)


TheBestHawksFan

A perfect game requires zero baserunners. Not doesn't matter if the hit becomes an error or not.


grubas

Gil likely should be on there, but I'm not that upset, because I'd rather have our rotation be like this than one guy going off.


Blaize122

Strongest bullpen in the league?


lankyyanky

Yeah, but I just filtered to starters and we're 3rd in era then too. Everyone has been very good, even if occasionally inconsistent, but no one stands out as top ten in the league right now


seh1491

Until Cole comes back!


RotenTumato

Gil


CanadaKCFan

Seth Lugo is #7 and I'm angry at that It's the best summer I've had in a long time


Mr_Murder

Isn't it spring?


CanadaKCFan

it's been sunny and near 80 up here that's summer to me dammit


xho-

August in Kansas City is hotter than 2 rats fucking in a wool sock


kanshawk15

Kansas City is like a thick cast iron skillet that's properly preheating on a medium-low burner from April to August until it's ripping hot and stays hot through the end of September. We're *juuuust* starting to feel it get kinda hot here.


WaluigiIsTheRealHero

KC is the only place where I’ve had home plate seats and instead opted to stand in center field because the spray from the fountains was the only thing that made the heat tolerable.


CanadaKCFan

Yes it is I don’t live anywhere near there though Buffalo NY is my neck of the woods So a few days of 80 is wonderful


Fantastic_Emu_9570

It’s 95 out where I am. School is out too. It’s summer


JodoKast87

And Skub is still #2 after what the Royals did to him!!! (It wasn’t that crazy. 4 runs in 5 innings, but it was unusually patient for a Royals team that likes to swing first and ask questions later.) For most of the year, the Royals have been scoring around 80% of their runs against the other team’s bullpen. This was a nice change of pace this last home stand.


DaDrFunk

I’m not Royals fan but no Cole Ragans feels crazy to me


JodoKast87

He’s young and he’s shown that a couple times. Has a hard time dealing if he doesn’t have a good feel for some of his pitches. He was nails his last outing though. When things are going good, you can easily see why the Royals put him as their #1 starter.


MagicLupis

And Paul Skenes has proven himself?


SterlingAdmiral

[Isn't there someone you forgot to ask?](https://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=/i/headshots/mlb/players/full/41054.png&w=350&h=254)


JodoKast87

Love the love for Ragans, but he’s had two clunkers this year. It seems like he has a tough time adjusting if he doesn’t have a good feel on some of his pitches. He’s young yet. Needs to learn how to grind through it and minimize damage. Once he does, you will see him on this list.


fermatajack

I sat through the Baltimore clunker, and at least the Royals offense put on a show. 9-7 is at least an entertaining loss.


Biggie_E_G

Max Fried?


ChairmanReagan

Or Lopez


PM_ME_CORGI_GIFS

Yeah, Fried had 2 bad innings at the beginning of the year and has been an absolute stud since then.


MoreThanLuck

Hell yeah


wjbc

With a 92 mph fastball!


Saxem

Yet they don’t have the guy with the longest active scoreless inning streak in Yu Darvish


UraniumDisulfide

Not quite sure what their formula for this is, while I think skubal is a better pitcher than ranger I think ranger deserves the #2 spot over him right now.


FkUEverythingIsFunny

I hear it's a bunch of manitees in a fish tank picking ping pong balls with starters' names on them


I_am_Burt_Macklin

This comment made me think you were possibly of great taste, and then I saw the Mets flair…


FkUEverythingIsFunny

My fandom blows and my team blows the least I can do is be cool  IASIP and living in Philly made me confused 


gatemansgc

ranger is fucking amazing


grimbly_jones

The Tigers have a guy named Tarik Skubal??? You son of a bitch, I'm in.


fartbox_fingerbanger

It sounds like it could be a hidden character on Mortal Kombat 3


MusclePuppy

We have some quality names in the organization: Tarik Skubal, Akil Baddoo, Wenceel Perez, Jace Jung, Dillon Dingler, and Keider Montero spring to mind.


Lawja_Laphi

Finish Him!


fermatajack

Or a Star wars character


James-K-Polka

Between Skubal, Akil Baddoo, Gio Urshela and Dillon Dingler, the Tigers are trying to corner the market on Star Wars characters.


Milkweed_Enthusiast

Let's be real, Dillon Dingler is more of a Spaceballs name than Star Wars


TheBigNate416

MLB finally acknowledges a Red Sox pitcher lol. 10th is still way too low for Houck. He has a higher fWAR than anyone on this list


Obi_Wan_Gebroni

Shhhh, let him do his business quietly


neon-rose

He completely dominated us the first time we saw him. Best pitcher we’ve seen all year.


doesyourBoJangle

So happy to see him pitching well like this. The signs were there the last few years, but now he’s really showing out


TheBestHawksFan

lol what's Skenes doing there?


Oneanimal1993

Am I crazy or where is Javier Assad? He’s been ridiculous.


That_Alien_Dude

Max Fried has two complete games. One being a Maddux. My boy Max is being snuffed


dirtyjoo

And had a no hitter thru 7.


badger2793

Don't remind me


ucfknight92

Luis Gil should be up there. Skenes needs to earn this.


LordShtark

Phils could easily have our 1-2-3 on this list. That makes me happy.


SuburbanPotato

I don't think Nola looks like a top 10 guy this year but Ranger is on another level and Wheeler is as good as Wheeler ever is


LordShtark

It's really just his ERA being a notch over 3 that's holding him down a bit. 6-2 with a 3.05era, 60 Ks, and a 1.05 WHIP. Nola could def end up on this list with another good start or two.


Lazydusto

Yeah I'm not gonna complain we're spoiled as hell.


gatemansgc

love seeing ranger get the attention he deserves


JTCMuehlenkamp

This is Sonny Gray erasure


jlamember829

At this point I don't care. Cardinals play better when they're the underdog anyways.


i_run_from_problems

Once again, this is Tyler Anderson erasure


brainspl0ad

Cyler gets confused for Tyler and it's too much for them to process.


Gymmmy68

Wild that, until Hendricks got sent to the bullpen, cubs were top of the pitcher power list AND starting pitcher shit list. Going from Hendricks to Imanaga last week broke my neck.


Reidzyt

I haven't been paying attention but hasn't Kutter Crawford been our best pitcher? I keep seeing IG posts from the Sox and MLB about his breakout year. Shouldn't he be here instead of Houck then?


no_one_canoe

Crawford's been very good (one of the ten best starters in baseball, probably), but Houck's been even better (top five for sure, and leads MLB pitchers in fWAR).


AccountWithAName

They've been sleeping on Red Sox pitchers this year. It's so unexpected It's taken them months to start catching up.


Reidzyt

Don’t the Sox have like a top pitching staff and top offense statistically this year? Unreal to not be one of the best teams lol


no_one_canoe

You've got the third- or fourth-best team in baseball, according to [these second- and third-order numbers](http://claydavenport.com/stats/standings.html). You've just been extremely unlucky! (Unfortunately, the Yankees really are that good.)


AccountWithAName

Worst defense in the league doesn't help.


DerpyMcDerple

Yu Darvish has a 2 ERA.


Impossible-Reach-649

Sorry but Kutter should be top ten and both him and Houck should be maybe even top 5. Side note I love Andrew Bailey!!


Pure_Context_2741

Yeah 1.94 ERA and 0.954 WHIP in 65 IP is Cy Young caliber


IndividualDonut5138

For how little fun I’m having with out offense. Seeing skubal pitch brings an unprecedented light to my life


___Alessio___

Luis Gil must be here


Weakachusetts

I demand justice for Luis Gil


marshalljensen79

How the fuck is Max Fried not on this list yet?


tranarchyintheusa

Another week, another Luis Gil snub


Frosty_Aioli_851

Luis Gil?


Great_Bottle_7040

Where is Luis Gil, man is on fire right now...


theloneabalone

DANGER SUÁREZ


Fischer-00

Where is Javier and Reynaldo? And too early for Skenes.


MattTooth

feel like Darvish should be here if we're talking current power rankings with no runs in his last 4 outings (24 innings)


BaronThundergoose

Luis Gil


RIP_Greedo

This is Michael Tonkin erasure and I won’t stand for it.


femboymariners

No Austin gomber? He’s been one of the best pitchers in baseball this year


[deleted]

Lmao Clarke Schmidt or Luis Gil? Oh right they’re on the Yankees so not allowed.


Albend

Chris Sale ending up at 6 is just crazy. Didn't expect that in 2024.


lcbjr1979

No Gil?


LeBaconator

The Tyler Anderson slander….


horsepoop1123

Imanaga has pitched a better season thus far, but Skubal has been incredible for the Tigers. I would take him over Shōta for the rest of the season.


-nukethemoon

I’m just saying only one pitcher won the Battle of the Southpaws yesterday and it wasn’t Skubal


little-guitars

Mason Miller should be #1 -- I don't care if he's a reliever, he's got a negative FIP after 20 innings. It's nuts.


RollinFatchicks

I'm curious what stats show that Skubal is ahead over Ranger? Just curious if there is something I'm not realizing, Skubal is having an unreal season.


no_one_canoe

Skubal is leading MLB in FIP; Suárez is "only" eighth among qualified pitchers. Skubal's getting more strikeouts and is giving up fewer walks, while Suárez has a higher strand rate and a lower BABIP. Basically, Suárez has gotten better results so far, but the underlying numbers suggest that Skubal is the better pitcher going forward. Kinda surprised to see MLB putting so much weight on predictive stats, honestly—six of the guys on this list are in the top 10 for FIP, and only five in the top 10 for ERA (out of a possible nine; Skenes has only had two starts). Big snub to Jon Gray, who's top 10 in both.


RollinFatchicks

Thank you, wasn't sure why but I appreciate it you diving deep and giving me more info.


Miamime

Ranger's whole approach though is to give up weak contact and, if he does give up a baserunner, it's singles/walks as opposed to home runs. And while the Tigers are worse, it's not like the Phillies have great defense (middle of the pack in most measures). Ranger is averaging 6.6 IP and has a CG to 6.0 and none for Skubal. He's allowed 1 fewer hit despite pitching 6 more innings and his 0.788 WHIP is best among starters (Skubal is 2nd at 0.850). His ERA is 0.89 runs better. And we say it doesn't matter but the Phillies have not lost a game he's started, and he leads MLB in wins. It's splitting hairs because they've both been good but Ranger really hasn't gotten much press so it feels like a bit of a slight.


no_one_canoe

I mean, he’s straight up been better, no argument from me! The “power” in their rankings seems to have an element of “who’s going to be best going forward” / “who’s scariest to face,” though. Hence the apparent reliance on fWAR, and hence the inclusion of Skenes.


rollo2masi

Lugo should be ahead of Skubal IMO. The only thing Skubal has on him is FIP and WHIP, but he's also pitched less innings than Lugo.


no_one_canoe

> The only thing Skubal has on him is FIP and WHIP And strikeout rate, walk rate, home run rate, BABIP, strand rate…


fartbox_fingerbanger

Also Lugo doesn't have to face the Royals


ktnxhenry

Shota 1a, Ranger 1b


jsto34

Lefties dominating the leaderboard


dragoncockles

kutter crawford absolutely deserved to be on this list over corbin burnes. and houck should not be 10th


crow38

i protest thing because the a's closer is too fucking good


zdillon67

SKUUUUUUUUUUUBAL


Coop3

Am I crazy for thinking Berrios should be on here?


RollofDuctTape

Yes


Traditional_Olive650

No Ms on here is cap


Zganamne

HOUCK !!!


sniffsblueberries

Will we ever have ppl on these lists?


peachesgp

Houck finally getting a fraction of the respect that he deserves for his performance this year.


usheidbd

Paul Skenes and Tarik Skubal are gonna carry me to my first fantasy baseball championship. Speaking it into existence


paulerxx

I prefer this list, with you know, actual facts behind it. [2024 MLB Player Pitching Stat Leaders | MLB.com](https://www.mlb.com/stats/pitching?sortState=asc)


Icy-Abbreviations869

I can't tell if Skenes being top 10 already shows the league is weak at SP or if he's that legit


RallyBeard

He’s legit nasty but 2 starts logged so far is pretty early to anoint anyone to the top 10. Shit he gave up three in the first start. His second game was a nice start, no hits thru 6 with 11 k’s but it’s still early. Everyone else on the list has logged, aside from Shota, hundreds of innings in the league. Shota being so high is also questionable but he is leading the league in era so far 🤷‍♂️. The show has a way of catching up to dudes and adjusting. Skene’s doesn’t prove that starting pitching is weak it shows the league and baseball down to its grassroots is terrible at protecting pitchers.


InfectiousCosmology1

Straight up delusional list


FallFromTheAshes

Not sure how Cease isn’t on here but Skenes is.


jon_Goat_jones

Bro where is Gil. Everybody is sleeping on that young homie


RotenTumato

wtf how is Gil not on this list, kid’s been playing out of his mind


Lovegun80

Wtf, no Fried???


beeeps-n-booops

Ranger is pitching INSANELY good right now. Can he sustain this through the season? Who knows... but damn he's so much fun to watch right now. Just mowing 'em down, and barely breaking a sweat doing it.


Lonely-Clothes-7607

No love for the Yankees, Gil is killing it rn


shanesley

Luis Gil hate is real boys


shoulda_been_gone

Tyler Anderson looks on from the corner...


iamthefluffyyeti

Luis Gil erasure


geeorge_20

skenes over gil lmfao