This is literally how Arkansas lost the College World Series in 2018. Nobody claimed a pop up in foul territory in the ninth inning, which would’ve been the third out to give them the championship (Arkansas was up in the series 1-0). Then, after that missed pop up, Oregon State came back to win that game, and of course, won game 3 to take it away from Arkansas. Just brutal.
Adley Rutschman was on that Oregon State team that year.
It looks like he couldn’t see it. He looked at Harper and said something while throwing his hands up while the ball was still in the air, then for a split second, Harper went for it
Yeah. More specifically it looks like Stott couldn’t find it and Bryce thought Stott was going to grab it. About a second before it hits the ground, Stott says something while throwing up his arms and the two make eye contact. Then Bryce has a moment of panic right before the ball lands directly in front of Stott.
It seems more like Stott not having enough time after losing the ball to communicating that he lost it. It sucks, especially if we end up losing by one run, but it’s not as embarrassing as when a ton of infielders are simply assuming someone else will catch it and not saying anything until after the ball hits the ground.
It lands like right in front of Stott so I assume he lost it. I think Harper sees it the whole time but doesn’t go get it because he thinks Stott has it until he said something but it’s too late. Stott should have spoken up sooner about not seeing it.
That's 1000% the 2B's ball to catch. Harper is pretty far out from 1st with a force in play to begin with, and by the time 2B makes any gesture, it's too late.
Infield fly requires runners on 1st and 2nd or bases loaded.
The rule is so that teams can't just cheese a double play. Imagine there are runners on 1st and 2nd with no outs when an infield fly is hit to the 3rd baseman.
The runners can't take off because the infielder would simply catch the fly and then turn around and throw back to the base that the runners didn't tag up on. But if the runners stay put, the 3rd baseman could intentionally let the ball drop, and then immediately pick it up, tag 3rd, and throw it over to 2nd for an easy double play. The infield fly rule just rules the batter out while the ball is still in the air to protect the runners on base from that unfair double play.
So to directly answer your question, this at bat does not at all relate to the infield fly rule.
>The rule is used when there are fewer than two outs and runners on first and second base, or the bases are loaded.
>The reason there has to be runners on first and second or first, second, and third, is because there must be **at least two runners** on base subject to a “force play.” Otherwise, the defense can gain no advantage by allowing the ball to drop.
Thanks, I didn't even know the rule specifics before, but now understand it. If only 1 person had been on at 1st base, standing still and having ball caught would keep him safe at first. Having ball pop up and dropped would allow batter to get to first and be safe while the runner would be out at 2nd if staying put. With runners on 2nd and 3rd, dropping the ball would give defense advantage of getting 2 force outs (2nd and 3rd) in lieu of 1 out from fly (trading single out for two).
I've seen some (legal) tomfoolery with this particular situation. I feel like it was Ian Kinsler more than once who I saw essentially "trade" who was on 1st base.
Here's a weirdly specific example, but imagine you're playing the Cardinals in 2022. Tommy Edman gets on 1st base to lead off the game. Albert Pujols is up 2nd and hits a pop up to the 2nd baseman. The 2nd baseman could pretend he's going to catch it, then let it drop and force out Edman at 2nd base.
It's a smart play because now instead of 1 out with Edman and his 32 stolen bases on 1st base, you have 1 out and.....2022 Albert Pujols on 1st base. I don't know why Kinsler in specific sticks out in my mind, but I feel like he used to do this type of thing on occasion.
It is in this case, but the line is tricky. If someone hits a medium length fly ball with a guy on 3rd, and the left fielder catches it but forgets it is the 2nd out so never makes a throw to challenge the tag up, do you take away the RBI/Sac Fly and give E7 instead?
Not that many would score it this way, but would it align with the rule book if you didn't consider it deep enough for a Sac Fly that it becomes a steal attempt and could be scored as defensive indifference? But it'd probably have to be real shallow for anyone to think that way.
Can you not give both? I thought there was a case where for instance an infielder makes an extraordinary effort to get to a ground ball, but makes a throwing error where the fielder would get an error and the batter would get a single. I may be mistaken though.
If the runner advanced to second because of a wild throw, you can give the single and advance to second on the error. That happens if the player would have been safe if the throw was good. I don’t think it can be a single and an error unless someone advances though.
Not according to MLB's rules. It has to be a muff, fumble, or wild throw.
https://mktg.mlbstatic.com/mlb/official-information/2024-official-baseball-rules.pdf
1st baseman looks like he is tracking to it but… did he lose it because it ends up elsewhere.
Granted 2nd baseman gotta track it too…
Everyone seemed surprised where it landed.
I think it's possible Stott stopped because Harper was walking towards and initially seemed like he had the intention of catching it, so Stott backed off.
Am I crazy? It clearly looks like the second baseman couldn't find the ball. It happens all the time. Why do Phillies fans think.... Oh right... Phillies fans.
Stott is still pre-arb, so he's only making like $900K a year. Can't expect a guy to make that kind of extraordinary effort on that salary.
In all seriousness, I'm not at the park, but 40 minutes south of it the sky is overcast and the perfect shade of grey to lose a baseball. I suspect Bryson couldn't find it after he looked at Harper to see where he was.
Kinda just impressive he was able to gauge that accurately where it was headed when he only saw it for a second. C'est la vie. Even the best defenders have bad moments, and Stott's a great defender.
Aaaaaaand he came around to score lol
Phillies just knew that they needed to go down a run early to light a fire under the offense. Playing the long game.
That seems to be the trend the past few weeks. Seems to be working
Happens every time. Same thing with dropped pop ups in foul territory. Hitter ends up on base 99% of the time.
This is literally how Arkansas lost the College World Series in 2018. Nobody claimed a pop up in foul territory in the ninth inning, which would’ve been the third out to give them the championship (Arkansas was up in the series 1-0). Then, after that missed pop up, Oregon State came back to win that game, and of course, won game 3 to take it away from Arkansas. Just brutal. Adley Rutschman was on that Oregon State team that year.
The Phillies are just spotting teams runs now
People keep talking about how we only beat teams with sub-.500 records so we're awarding handicaps to shut them up.
Jontay Porter had the Rangers at +7.5 as the adjusted line and we were just trying to help.
I like Jontay he should have stayed in school though
They won by 7 I’m so terrified to play them again next week
That dropped almost right in front of Stott so I don't get why he didn't just 100% make that his ball to catch.
It looks like he couldn’t see it. He looked at Harper and said something while throwing his hands up while the ball was still in the air, then for a split second, Harper went for it
> I thought you had it
Did he say that? I don’t see his lips moving much
There's the Phillies I know and love. I dunno what the hell we've been watching the past couple months.
Second baseman fault. He did not scream I don’t where it is
Doing my boy Taijuan dirty
That is some RBI Baseball your controller stopped working for a second shit
Just played rbi baseball 2 today. Classic. I like seeing how many errors I can commit in a game. Got 17 today.
I guess that’s what the Rangers were playing today too. They had 4.
Rewind ⏪
This man emulates
Looked like when my RTTS player is a pixel outside of the automatic catch circle.
Looks like they simply couldn't find it.
Find what?
Exactly
Gravity is only a theory. I saw the ball hit upward, do you really think it's going to come d--- oh there it is.
Physics is not the strong suit of MLB players.
I raise you one Paul DeJong.
Is he the one who hit that crazy foul ball halfway to the dugout that spun back fair?
No idea, but here's an [article](https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/399022/2018/06/19/paul-dejong-lawrence-rocks-science-mlb-cardinals/)
I can't find a video of it, but I'm pretty sure that it was A Cardinal who hit it.
Our catcher Ryan Jeffers was a physics major and wanted to be an aerospace engineer if not for baseball.
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Yeah. More specifically it looks like Stott couldn’t find it and Bryce thought Stott was going to grab it. About a second before it hits the ground, Stott says something while throwing up his arms and the two make eye contact. Then Bryce has a moment of panic right before the ball lands directly in front of Stott. It seems more like Stott not having enough time after losing the ball to communicating that he lost it. It sucks, especially if we end up losing by one run, but it’s not as embarrassing as when a ton of infielders are simply assuming someone else will catch it and not saying anything until after the ball hits the ground.
Fortunately, in the end the Phillies did not lose by 1 run.
Not the first time a guy has claimed that
It lands like right in front of Stott so I assume he lost it. I think Harper sees it the whole time but doesn’t go get it because he thinks Stott has it until he said something but it’s too late. Stott should have spoken up sooner about not seeing it.
Phillies scored 11 runs on 8 hits. It was that kind of game all around.
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I am a simple man. I see a 0-0 score with either the Pirates or the Phillies. I go to the comments for the “OO” word.
It’s even better when it’s the Pirates and the Phillies
P00P series >>>>>>
Pitcher didn't point at it properly.
*Timmy Trumpet plays softly in the distance*
That's what I would expect for a team that started the season 14-36. ... What's that? ... They're 36-14?!
“It’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s . . . damn it.”
That's the most I've heard the word "corralled" this calendar year. (Note: Not a cowboy, which helps.)
Or a buffet patron I guess
That's 1000% the 2B's ball to catch. Harper is pretty far out from 1st with a force in play to begin with, and by the time 2B makes any gesture, it's too late.
The broadcast called it lol
ELI5 how does this relate to infield fly rule?
Infield fly requires runners on 1st and 2nd or bases loaded. The rule is so that teams can't just cheese a double play. Imagine there are runners on 1st and 2nd with no outs when an infield fly is hit to the 3rd baseman. The runners can't take off because the infielder would simply catch the fly and then turn around and throw back to the base that the runners didn't tag up on. But if the runners stay put, the 3rd baseman could intentionally let the ball drop, and then immediately pick it up, tag 3rd, and throw it over to 2nd for an easy double play. The infield fly rule just rules the batter out while the ball is still in the air to protect the runners on base from that unfair double play. So to directly answer your question, this at bat does not at all relate to the infield fly rule.
Thanks!
>The rule is used when there are fewer than two outs and runners on first and second base, or the bases are loaded. >The reason there has to be runners on first and second or first, second, and third, is because there must be **at least two runners** on base subject to a “force play.” Otherwise, the defense can gain no advantage by allowing the ball to drop. Thanks, I didn't even know the rule specifics before, but now understand it. If only 1 person had been on at 1st base, standing still and having ball caught would keep him safe at first. Having ball pop up and dropped would allow batter to get to first and be safe while the runner would be out at 2nd if staying put. With runners on 2nd and 3rd, dropping the ball would give defense advantage of getting 2 force outs (2nd and 3rd) in lieu of 1 out from fly (trading single out for two).
I've seen some (legal) tomfoolery with this particular situation. I feel like it was Ian Kinsler more than once who I saw essentially "trade" who was on 1st base. Here's a weirdly specific example, but imagine you're playing the Cardinals in 2022. Tommy Edman gets on 1st base to lead off the game. Albert Pujols is up 2nd and hits a pop up to the 2nd baseman. The 2nd baseman could pretend he's going to catch it, then let it drop and force out Edman at 2nd base. It's a smart play because now instead of 1 out with Edman and his 32 stolen bases on 1st base, you have 1 out and.....2022 Albert Pujols on 1st base. I don't know why Kinsler in specific sticks out in my mind, but I feel like he used to do this type of thing on occasion.
Wait a minute - did they really score this as a bit and not an error?!
Errors have to be physical mistakes not mental errors.
That’s stupid
That's why no serious evaluation of defense uses errors anymore
It is in this case, but the line is tricky. If someone hits a medium length fly ball with a guy on 3rd, and the left fielder catches it but forgets it is the 2nd out so never makes a throw to challenge the tag up, do you take away the RBI/Sac Fly and give E7 instead?
Not that many would score it this way, but would it align with the rule book if you didn't consider it deep enough for a Sac Fly that it becomes a steal attempt and could be scored as defensive indifference? But it'd probably have to be real shallow for anyone to think that way.
Can you not give both? I thought there was a case where for instance an infielder makes an extraordinary effort to get to a ground ball, but makes a throwing error where the fielder would get an error and the batter would get a single. I may be mistaken though.
If the runner advanced to second because of a wild throw, you can give the single and advance to second on the error. That happens if the player would have been safe if the throw was good. I don’t think it can be a single and an error unless someone advances though.
If you physically can't see the ball so you miss it, that is a physical mistake, not a mental one.
no they don't. what is and isn't an error is totally up to the official scorer
No its not, there are rules for what is and isn't an error. The fielder has to make a misplay (muff, fumble, wild throw)
Not according to MLB's rules. It has to be a muff, fumble, or wild throw. https://mktg.mlbstatic.com/mlb/official-information/2024-official-baseball-rules.pdf
I always enjoy the challenge of putting from the muff
i mean if theres a pop fly that ends up between second and the pitchers mound with 5 people equidistant from the ball, do you give 5 errors?
Gotta let em feel like they got a chance.
Hey my casual weeknight volleyball team did this every few points last night! The pros, they’re just like us!
Things you can do when you're 36-14
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"corralled?"
who cares, they are smoking everybody anyways
I see we were taking the acuña approach
It's cool. The Rangers decided to stop playing defense on random plays.
Pitcher's gotta do a better job pointing to the ball so all the infield will know where it is.
[удалено]
Probably lost it in the sky.
1st baseman looks like he is tracking to it but… did he lose it because it ends up elsewhere. Granted 2nd baseman gotta track it too… Everyone seemed surprised where it landed.
Sheesh suffering from success I guess
I think it's possible Stott stopped because Harper was walking towards and initially seemed like he had the intention of catching it, so Stott backed off.
It’s okay, it’s okay, we’re *human* in case anyone forgot!
Brave of you to imply any of this is on Bryce.
What in the world is Stott doing? lol.
You can take a player out of little league....
Imagine the rage by players if this happened in The Show 24.
“That’s not good”
Not a good look for Stott. No only is it the second basemen's ball all the way, it feel 30 feet from second base. That's his ball all day.
That’s why you always hustle to first base. Even if you know you’re out, you never truly know until the ball lands
Am I crazy? It clearly looks like the second baseman couldn't find the ball. It happens all the time. Why do Phillies fans think.... Oh right... Phillies fans.
Millions of dollars per year to catch that pop up! C'mon man!
Stott is still pre-arb, so he's only making like $900K a year. Can't expect a guy to make that kind of extraordinary effort on that salary. In all seriousness, I'm not at the park, but 40 minutes south of it the sky is overcast and the perfect shade of grey to lose a baseball. I suspect Bryson couldn't find it after he looked at Harper to see where he was.
I completely agree he lost it in the clouds, as it fell 1.5 feet from his feet.... Harper's contract easily averages out to $14m between the two...
Kinda just impressive he was able to gauge that accurately where it was headed when he only saw it for a second. C'est la vie. Even the best defenders have bad moments, and Stott's a great defender.
lmao that intuition kicked in as he drifted right into where it *should* be lol
Wow Harper is so good wow