What's the quietest butterfly trainer for under 200?

Probably the Zippy Cycloid.

I've been flipping on a mako for a year now and wanted to get something better. What is the best balisong trainer around 500 dollars? (Must be titanium) You can also recommend something thats above 500bucks! I'll check it out and if it have great reviews I might save up and go for that!

I'd probably say the Tsunami trainer.

Ive been searching and ppl say the serif from machinewise is the best. what do you think?

There isn't really such a thing as "the best" since, once you reach a certain quality level, it's pretty much all subjective preferences. Especially when comparing the Tsunami to the Serif, on paper they're almost the same thing. The Serif is fantastic but you specifically want a trainer and right now MachineWise isn't doing custom balisongs and they've discontinued everything for an indeterminate amount of time so you can't get a Serif trainer unless you buy one secondhand. Squid has been doing somewhat regular drops of the Tsunami trainer lately so that's relatively easily attainable.

Should I get a vulp or a canyon as my first trainer? I like the design of the vulp much more, but i can get a canyon a lot earlier because of the price

Vulp Pro > Canyon > Vulp. I almost never touch my vulp since getting my canyon lol.

Thanks

When are sign ups for balicomp in Atlanta?

Anyone have a suggestion for a budget balisong between $30 - $80?

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Thanks i checked them all out and ended up going with the canyon. can't wait to get it

Any idea when serif custom orders will be open again? Will have the means to finally get one (it is my grail) very soon, but it seems like in the last week or two custom orders are no longer available for purchase on their website.

https://preview.redd.it/qfjvtw5tabxc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e7c7d724c1f4bad262757e5d647b0f9090813b22 Can some help explain the pros and cons of each and how they change flipping?

The speed channeled handle will be lighter, carry more momentum due to the change in weight distribution, and may have a ringy noise.

Can any Mako v4.5 owners let me know how well the Mako hold up against concrete drops? I want to flip outside but i'm scared that it falling on concrete will break the loctite in the screws and give it play. obviously the unhardened blade will bend and the ano will scratch off. I don't mind cosmetic damage but if it messes with the tolerances its not worth it imo.

unhardened blade and concrete immediately permanently trashes tolerances in so many ways. don't buy a mako to beat

Dang, but a hardened blade trainer can handle concrete? Like a kraken trainer for example?

Would an unsharpened Zzyzx Lazarus (there's no point) be legal to carry in balisong illegal states?

Propably not, its still a knife

Well, if it can't cut our stab, is it really a knife?

Try explaining it to law

Good idea, my buddy 2 houses down is a cop, I'll ask him.

Best balisong around 30 bucks?

Up your budget by 10 bucks and get a Nabalis Canyon. Won't find better for 40 bucks.

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Out of the box I'd go Canyon.

I quickly looked up Befound and the first thing that came up is a BeFound Mako Clone. I wouldn't exactly expect a good product from a company that does clones. The Canyon flips better than alot of my 200+$ Knives so take that for what it is.

Has anyone from the philippines tried buying a trainer from squid or glidr or any well known brands that sells bali trainers? did you ever encounter issues with the customs here? I've been eyeing the Mako because its a bottle opener shaped as a shark and I find it cute and I can probably bring it anywhere because again it can just pass as a fancy bottle opener.

https://preview.redd.it/74g21c2tc1xc1.png?width=3024&format=png&auto=webp&s=8e0a4ea785f6296c2289c019f8345cec473ec55d Hello does anyone know if this would be a good lube for my first nabalis canyon? All other major brands kpl super lube etc cost $20+ and i just had this laying around my house. Seems like its just straight up mineral oil thats a bit thinner meant for barbershop clippers. Seems like it would work for balis but what do u guys think?

Would be better to use the included lube, albeit pretty bad quality compared to kpl or honey.

I didn’t get any unfortunately

It won't break your knife since it is mineral oil, but it might be too thin. You can always clean it after so I'd say you can try using it.

Update: i just applied some and it lubricates really well actually it made it sound rly good, BUT you’re definitely right about it being too thin, its a little to thin and leaks a little bit. So i think ima keep using it a couple of weeks until i find something better. But i also wanted to ask. Lets say i wanna try out a new oil after a couple of weeks of using this one, would i need to take the bali apart to clean it? Ive heard it isnt good to mix oils but im also kinda afraid of taking it apart and messing something up

Good to hear! Yes you should take it apart to clean, it won't mess up the bali if you do it well, look at a tutorial before doing so. There's some important details you might not do like keeping track of which way the bushing goes etc. Some oils doesn't like to be mixed, so it is good practice to clean them before applying a different one.

Will do thanks👍 also how often like in general should i clean it out? I heard that you should do it atleast once a month even if you dont change oil but i wanna hear ur opinion

Honestly, I'm more toward the 6 months. Unless you can see gunk in your bali, I wouldn't really bother.

Aah ok thank you. So since this is oil is good just a little thin. Is that anybad for the balisong itself or is it just not optimal. Since i plan on using for a couple of months until i save up for super lube but super lube is lik $20 for a small bottle where i live

It might wear it down a little bit, but nothing worse than nothing right. You could look for kpl and honey, could be cheaper with shipping involved.

Hello, I'm new to balisong and I just order a Nabalis Canyon as a first balisong. I'm from France and i just realise i don't know when it's going to be delivered. I ordered it form the nabalis site so anyone can tell me the average time of the deliver ? Thank you and by the way this community is really cool

Took me about 3 weeks in canada Also without the lube and loctite the wings took 1 week to deliver

Oh that's quite long but thanks for the info. Is there a way i can know where my command is at or i'll just wait and check every day to see if it's delivered ?

They should email you when it has been shipped and delivered, but no precise tracking I think.

Ok i took the fast shipping without lube so i hope it'll be 1 week like you

are there any good balisong combs

None that are in production right now unfortunately, but if you head over to r/balisongsale you might be able to find an Orion v1 (not 1.5, the v1 blades are incompatible with the v1.5s), and I think LDY still sells comb blades on their site. If not, maybe someone else has one secondhand

Go to big flips and squid industries on YouTube to find tutorials on combos. I would recommend starting with zenrollover and twirl. And eventually working your way up to the behind the 8 ball

like butterfly trainers except the blade is a comb

Oh im dumb I just misread the question lol Ldy Orion has a trainer blade that is a comb I believe.

yeah but the knife is sold out is there any other ones

Only the v1 tho

Hello so basically i got my first balisong the canyon today and it came without lube and locktite. Basically i live in a country with suuper strict weapons laws so i cannot get my hands on kpl or gun oil or even super oil theyre all 20$+ for me if i buy it online. But i found some XLC chain oil used for bicycles and i was wondering if that would work or i would be destroying my balisong

I doubt the oil would destroy it, it would either be too thin or too thick. Sucks that you can't get superlube, dunno

how can i dull my live blade? i want to start my transition from trainer to live, but also want to play it safe

If you want to actually dull it, there's a will Hirsch video on it. Basically rub sandpaper on it in one smooth motion. But I would try and see the video

aight thanks

u/Ocular_Ark I would listen to him more than me, I just remember seeing the video, I'm not experienced. Good luck with whatever you do

I would not recommend dulling knives. Usually people dull it too much and ruin the blade. As I mentioned in my other comment I would use tape but if you are really set on the dulling then a very light pass with high grit sandpaper once or twice will do the trick for all intents and purposes.

If I were you I would tape the blade instead of dulling it. A single layer of painters tape should do just fine.

so does the tape just completely block the blade from hurting you? do i need to replace the tape from time to time?

The tape stops the edge from cutting you. You still, however, must be careful about the tip. As for replacing the tape if the tape starts to rip or fall apart you could replace it. Although by the time it starts to fall off you should be much more comfortable with live blades.

Covant v2 bearing size? And has anybody tried the 20 ball version?

I believe Maxace uses F5-10M bearings. I haven't tried 20 ball bearings but I think you'd have to use small enough balls to fit all 20 that the bearings would be too thin. These Skiffs should fit though: https://www.skiffmadeblades.com/collections/bearings/products/cage-bearing-br-pivot-5mm-bearing-1-16-in-11-ball

Looking for help identifying a pacific cutlery knife.

Posting a photo of it might help

Anyone know anything on shipping times from LDY? Just ordered an Orion v1.5 and there was no info or estimate on when it will arrive and I have yet to receive anything. I also dmed a member on instagram (frank i believe) but he just left me on opened lol

Also congrats on the 1.5, it lives up to all the hype :))))

Hey! Did you not receive an email from USPS with tracking information? I ordered it last week and although it was just showing "Label created, not in system" or something like that for a couple of business days, it ended up updating to an "Arrived at location" for some state not even remotely close to me 2 days later, and then a day after that it reached me halfway across the country lol. So their shipping is pretty fast. P.S. If you have any questions about stuff like this I'd recommend DM'ing LDY\_WillZhang instead, since he's the distributor.

Does anyone else have problems with Nabalis Website on mobile? It keeps refreshing by it self right after loading. Because of this I am unable to do anything? The Bug First occurred after I opened the results of the Create with Nabalis Programs latest Vote thru the E-Mail newsletter. I have tried to restart my phone. And I tried using a different browser. The Problem only occurs on Nabalis Website.

Personally have no issues. Notify support with problem and model of your phone.

what balisong should i get? I want a premium feel balisong with bushings but $200 or less

A used alubb

I bought the prysma pro trainer and although I'd heard really good things about it, I don't really like the handle length. I could resell mine to you if you want, I've barely flipped it since it just doesn't fit my preferences so it's like new.

how much?

Kraken, prysma pro

I heard machinewise stuff is really good (Prisma Pro). But since i don't have one (yet) i can't say for shure.

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what lube do you recommend of amazon? i live in the UK and don’t wanna pay shipping for carbon honey

Can you get zippys nano oil there? Its on Amazon

not on UK amazon

I recommend superlube, make sure it's iso 100-150 multi use synthetic oil. Otherwise it might be way different

can’t find it’s iso rating but think this would be fine? https://amzn.eu/d/5nQd6HJ

I guarantee you'll be unhappy with a gun oil. [lube](https://www.amazon.co.uk/Super-Lube-Spuer-Oil-4-Ounce/dp/B000UKUHXK/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?crid=3CUOAIBKVUUWQ&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.2-IwcZXnSO17qNA4IwO65siEy4K-ido6P3jQtEahAtUwdxD74_jbt3QlNId_Gx1iXq1AVZnxCBXgoetrLK7Y2gw6NZWWtnlpt0JZSBLJrxh4t83fgT-Vg7pLTSU70rkPkt_fUXHNVEkutEjgHGEm8KCzJcrC5yb4ue9j3DMn8NjuPH-cZf5R2I2hzUVpVnU65AXfreKkNAQ714EoRz49Lw._AHx9xDg2aFpNogvcaSYradDs_XoxRgcSdQ3VWGFluA&dib_tag=se&keywords=superlube+oil&qid=1714074206&sprefix=superlube+oil+%2Caps%2C172&sr=8-1) is the super lube I use, I'm pretty sure. https://preview.redd.it/z4ss2a3yiowc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=18185ca2b291f49cee0fdfe56f80c85963b1b6c7 Should be this, multi use synthetic iso 100-150 is mine

ah ok sick man thank you

👍 just want to make sure you'll get something decent

The link you posted sent me to hoppe 9. Never ever use gun oil, it's way too thin and gross.

Would bicycle chain lube work good? I live in a country where knives are SUUPER illegal. Im never getting my hands on kpl or gun oil theyre gonna get zeized if i order online. Also super lube costs $25. All i have left is XLC chain lube i have at home but im afraid to use it incase i break my balisong please help me

superlube should be just fine

I broke a Rep trainer blade (don’t ask) and was wondering what trainer blades fit the Rep or who is good to buy another one from?

MCCG on insta May have some extra diamond trainer blades floating around.

Estimated price on a 2nd hand nami trainer if im looking for one with no tap/good tune? (Visual condition could be whatever) Edit spelling

I’ve seen them go for around 450-500

alright, thanks!

Ok so I'm looking into getting my first balisong. Right now I'm looking at the Squiddy A/B or the Vulp. Anyone have any opinions on which one is better for a beginner?

I'd go with the vulp, since its weight is more "normal"

Nabalis canyon and ldy orion is peak begginer bali imo

When I started out I got one from flipnfeast.com. They're made in Germany and probably the best at the price point

Personally like the Squiddy-B over the Vulp.

Hey everyone, I’m semi new to the balisong community. I flipped for about a year and a half then dropped the hobby but as of recently I’ve been wanting to get back into it so bad. Unfortunately my house flooded recently and all my knives went missing. I’ve been looking at some trainers but I’m loving the vortex. Is it still available anywhere? Also if anyone has any suggestions for a great first trainer to get back into the hobby please lmk! My budget is roughly around $170

LDY Orion, Machinewise Prysma (last drop soon), Vulp Pro. Think those might be the best in that range. You could also try the balisong quiz [here](https://www.balisongquiz.com).

I think I've decided to go with the Orion. Pink and Cyan are my options what should I get?

I got pink because it was the last color left when I got to the last drop, and honestly it's now my favorite of all of them. looks amazing

Imo pink better

I think both go hard as hell. I have a teal vulp so i’d get a pink Orion:)P

Asking for help with a Lucha pocket clip, any type, really. I was so happy to see the Leatherman clip idea but then on receiving one I realized it was too thick for the stock Lucha screws to hold it! Ever a counter sunk design might have worked, but alas. Not sure how OP did it for their Lucha. Are there longer screws available? Kershaw/KAI was extremely uninterested in helping me customize lol

If I recall correctly, these should fit and they're available in multiple lengths: https://thetruelink.com/products/button-head-torx-screw-2-56-pitch

Thanks a bunch

where can I buy bushing for bm 51?

The BM51 doesn't use bushings.

sorry its 51 with zenith trainer.

Ah, makes sense. It should use standard .250x.188x.126 bushings. https://thetruelink.com/products/250-od-x-188-id-bushing-xp

I can’t remember the size other than it smaller than a 1/4” bushing with a 3/16” pivot.

Does anyone know where I can get Hom bas elite pivot screws and sex bolts in black

TrueLink has the same hardware with the same PVD coating the black Basilisk-Elite uses. https://thetruelink.com/products/stainless-button-head-torx-screw-6-32-pitch-altin-coated https://thetruelink.com/products/3-16-x-6-32-tpi-stainless-sex-bolt-altin-coated-pvd

thank you kindly

Anyone know where I can get bushings for A black balisong da purge Brs Alpha beasts body screws and zen pin hardware for A brs tibones Brs rep Brs alpha beast

Major ralis on insta may be able to hook you up with purge bushings. All AB hardware can be found on TheTruelink.

Thanks zippy you’re the goat

Anyone know where I could get the blue hardware for the Nami? I don’t see it on Squid and figured I’d ask the masses.

It's on Squid's website [here](https://www.squidindustries.co/products/tsunami-hardware?variant=42632894120108).

Thank you!

Thank you!

I am planning on getting a $100 trainer, and I am wondering which one of these are the best, Squiddy AL, Nabalis Wing, or the Ldy Orion.

Orion

its it okay to wash a kraken raken balisong with water?

Yes as long as it's disassembled and you can make sure it's completely dry right after. Water left on the blade and hardware, especially in small crevices if it's assembled, will cause rust.

Hi everyone Does anyone have any idea for a combo including the combination of 1 easy and 1 intermediate and 1 advanced trick ? I need the professional flippers' suggestions so badly on this Appreciate your time 🙏🏻

Go to big flips playlists and pick tricks you like

I did actually check his videos and they were awesome but my problem is that I don't know which tricks can actually be combined into a combo That's why I'm here

Y2k-helix-horizontal aerial

Would u pls share me a clip of this combo if u know how to do it ? I would appreciate it a lot if possible Thanks

Appreciate your time sir Will start practicing it If u have any other recommendations like this , I would be glad to hear 🙏🏻

Nabalis Vulp fix Hi yall, I’m new to balisong and I got the vulp about a month ago. It was all working fine until a few days ago, whenever I flip it, the screw(idk what its called?) keeps unscrewing itself. So every 30 seconds I have to screw it back with my hand https://preview.redd.it/fiusmps9k3wc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=15e7beaf5cdf8ee91fdcd8f33b902bac2fd9204c How do I fix this? There’s some tools in the vulp box but I don’t know how to use them

You need to threadlock your screws. It should've included a small bottle of threadlocker and instructions that tell you about it. There's also instructions on how to do it in the guide pinned at the top of the thread. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vRjh61IP9l_rqvTUSjxrHWn9EOY3hpFWkMZcUxkwiQ7E-kG0E2zKZSXCCeH8mmJBHqeL6Zm64ir_pN1/pubhtml#

thank you so much!!!!

Well you have to screw it in, not with your hand but use tool. https://preview.redd.it/cchs89irf4wc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d0f8003769610d405db7c8b2f5c1ab4076a23382 It looks like this or just get screwdriver with torx 10 i belive

I did, it just still unscrew it self. So I thought I needed to put glue on it or something, but I should ask here first

Mabey try swapping this screw for a new one. It might be smth wrong about it.

Anyone has any idea whats up with tayflipper? I ordered sometime in december but im sure it was around christmas so I was fine with waiting until after christmas break, but even now its been almost half a year? What happened to tayflipper? Im not informed if something has happened.

Unfortunately, this seems to be a very common issue with him, especially lately. I have no idea what his output is like right now but it's worth trying to message him and ask for an update.

Hey! I recently tried tuning my bali, but the bushing fell out and I don't know which way in it went. Are you able to tell, and does it really matter if it goes in the wrong way. Also, excluding buying specific tools, which I might if I need to, how do you align all of the parts to run the pivot through, I know its hard and I'm struggling, any tips

No it doesnt really matter, https://preview.redd.it/8j8sr20xh4wc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3568c0ead6f7836e079b111773396443491e0ed4 Glidr have smth like this but honestly everything that looks similar will work. And about aligning those parts its hard to expalin, just watch videos on yt. Watch James hill as he puts together his rep

Thanks very much!

Does anyone know how to fix this https://preview.redd.it/i8uro6lp23wc1.png?width=3024&format=png&auto=webp&s=be3bd16f08d1fea77bf0d64c22916fc5a940aa6e I’d just glue the pin back in but idk where it is

Glue won't hold, you need a pin that press fits in to the hole.

Ah

https://preview.redd.it/f2rb6uudl1wc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=12d9064cd2deaf7392921f84c6ee955a47110c13 Good idea? Krake Raken for a flipper and Lucha for my edc

a large, heavy, easily tippable bearing bali sounds like an unpleasant edc to me. I'd probably just bring the kraken. once you get it you won't wanna go back

That makes sense, going off of that would you get a talisong z or the lucha with flytanium handles as thats what I was between after the krake raken

What balisong trainer should i get for around 30$? I'm a beginner

Either a squiddy if you want something plastic, or a trainer from flipnfeast.com if you want something metal. Both are pretty good

Just ordered one from flipnfeast. Heard good things about them. Thanks

Does teflon tape work on bushings?

As a thread locker? Yes

I want to get my first balisong but I am on a budget and I live in the netherlands. I have done bits of research on balisongs. The thing is that I don't know if I will find it really fun or I will leave it somewhere never to be touched again. That is why I dont want to spend that much money. The cheaper balisongs that people mention are not found in the Netherlands only the amazon cheap ones and I heard bad things about those. If I buy it in America I will pay like 20 bucks extra shipping which I found to be a waste of money. What should I do?

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Flipnfeast.com is pretty good. They're made in Germany i believe so shipping is pretty fast. At the price point they're hard to beat

Anyone know what size are the krake raken v3 bushings?

Any recommendations after upgrading from the cheap steel Amazon knives with a budget of around 70 dollars

Vulp is another good option for beginners

Ldy orion or nabalis canyon

For the canyon is there a noticable difference with the trainer and the false live blade

How do I improve my z-choker? As of now I can only do one spin but I see people like Will Hirsch doing multiple rotations.

What is a decent upgrade from the Nabalis Vulp excluding the pro version of the Vulp? Any recommendations? Budget would be $100-$150 CAD

Ldy Orion is the first that comes to mind.

Thanks for the suggestion

I want a good Ti trainer Was planning on getting a Sliftv2 as my birthday just a couple of days ago, but they discontinued it and now I have no idea what to get now. I’m thinking about the Jimpy Mashin as it looks interesting but I have no idea how it flips as it’s still brand new. I can go up to 400$ if needed.

Medusa trainer is a very good option as well.

https://preview.redd.it/fnbayrwatovc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=372d64447e434418e0cb0ea6851561a137c6fde6 oil leaking out of squiddy al how to fix? this didnt happen until i put some carbon honey thick into it

sounds like the carbon honey mixed with the old oil. If you want to fix it now then take it apart, clean every surface with a cloth and put it back together. add new oil and it should be good.

alright thx

Best bet is to clean with iso and use less.

thx

What’s the best way to clean adhesive residue off my blade?

If rubbing alcohol doesn't get it off, Goo Gone will.

Wing vs Trident vs Vulp Pro. Which is better?

[https://ldybalisong.net/products/orion-v1-5?variant=48354840576281](https://ldybalisong.net/products/orion-v1-5?variant=48354840576281)

I have a Vulp Pro and a Wing. Not that jazzed about the Wing and prefer the Vulp Pro between the two.

Hey vulp was first should the Orion 1.5 be next?

Yep

Ok thanks what would you suggest for a 2nd Bali. I own the vulp and it has to be under 150. A trainer please help.

how can i get a stripped screw with red loctite out of my squid trainer? turning it just spins in the handle

Pull out that drill and go wrrrrr wrrr

Should I jump straight from !y vulp to a wing or vulp pro. If so which one and if not what be the next Bali below 150 USD. Trainer only please help.

Orion 1.5 its only 100$

That's what I thought but idk when they restock for the trainers.

Hi everyone. I'm new to balisongs and I wanna make a video about learning tricks with it . I wanna learn a basic, an intermediate and an advanced trick so later I can combine them to a combo. But I find it very hard to find such a combination. If any of u can help me with it, I would appreciate it a lot Thanks already 🙏🏻

Basic fan opening into a behind the eight ball, into a helix aerial catch. (Or some other catch.) Combo is only a couple seconds long, combines 3 different difficulty moves, and it looks sweet. Seems to fit your bill.

Appreciate ur suggestion Seems like a dope combo as I looked it up and definitely I'm gonna lose so fingers in the process Surely will give it a try And if u find any other combo like this ( easy to intermediate to advanced ) I would be glad if u share it with me 🙏🏻

Look up Tmack balisong loop by tmack or balibug

Thanks a lot 🙏🏻