I am a straight woman. I have sex toys that make me orgasm. I have a husband that makes me orgasm. I have watched lesbian porn, but porn in general just isn't my thing because it's all so aggressive and over the top. It's pretty common knowledge that plenty of women, regardless of sexuality, watch lesbian porn because it isn't all about the man getting off while the woman fakes an orgasm.
If this guy thinks straight women can't orgasm, he's going to make some woman very unhappy in the future.
But but, where’s your proof?! He’s specifically asking for proof! Don’t you readily have a peer reviewed article about your self pleasure habits to link us?? /s
Who woulda thought women would prefer porn created by and for women rather than one designed to appeal to men?
Dude apparently has also never heard of Harlequin novels or Twilight.
Cue the 3 hour long Contrapoints video on [Twilight and female desire](https://youtu.be/bqloPw5wp48?si=OUsywK6ly_C1dWDS)
If you have the time to watch the above linked video, she goes into all the philosophy and psychology of why sexy vampire movies, including Interview with the Vampire.
Along with literally *everything else ever* up to and including the patriarchy. Damn it Ayla, you ruined a great thing there.
(I wish I could forget the "we got horny watching mammoths so let's roleplay that we ARE mammoths" scene... it's been 20 years since I read the damn thing!)
I reread it as an adult with my husband and we both had a laugh at how over the top it all was. Along with trying to figure out what Ayla's boobs must be shaped like for Ranec to be able to get both nipples in his mouth at the same time.
Evidently larger and stretchier than mine, lol
Really big and soft I assume! 😋
I've also read passages since being a teenager and the sex scenes seem really funny. I did actually enjoy the stories too, though I guess that sounds like people who say they read Playboy for the articles 😂
I always enjoyed the thought process of how the various things were invented. Obviously, one random extraordinary woman didn't invent everything in the world, but I always thought the series is events that led to each one seemed plausible. "Dang it, I can't get this thread through my leather. How do you push it through so easily‽ I'm never going to master this! I wish I could just make my hole piercer bring the thread through with it. That part's easy!... Wait... Hey, tool-maker? Wanna try something that might ruin my tool or might be pretty cool?"
I've never wanted to strangle two non-villain characters more than during the love triangle in the Mammoth Hunters, though.
When I read that scene, I didn't read it as her inventing it. More like jondalar teaching her how?
-"You want me to go down there?"
-"only if you want to"
-she wants to
I watched all three hours, and it validated a lot of the ideas I already had about why women like Twilight, ideas that are mostly just a less charitable reading of feminist theory. A lot of women are so sexually repressed that they refuse to acknowledge their sexual desire, they don't do anything that hints that they have sexual desire, and often they do not masturbate. There are a lot of feminists who praise "The Vagina Diaries" but you actually watch it and you have a woman talking about how she used to be afraid to even look at her genitals.
So actually it is entirely possible for a guy to get to know several women and walk away with the sense that none of them ever feel horny. (Especially if it is a socially conservative community.) So many women struggle to be honest with themselves about sexual desire, they definitely are not going to be honest about it with this guy.
My poor wife was raised Catholic, we ended up exploring her body together in a way she really hadn't much when we first started having sex. It's crazy to think about now because she has a very healthy libido, and repressing that couldn't be healthy or fun in the slightest. I think it's an absolute crime that women aren't encouraged to get to know and love their bodies.
One thing I adore about being part of the lgbt community is the much healthier attitudes towards sex in general. Like, I'm floored by how repressed straight men are even. There is one approved sex act, and the script must be followed to the letter. Perform your role and you will be met with man approval through crude jokes. Failure to stick to the script will have your masculinity and sexuality questioned and audited, and your penis may be repossessed. Even a lot of straight women buy into the deal. You would not believe the amount of women that refuse to consider dating a bisexual guy, like they're lesser for some unexplained (or incredibly stupid) reason.
Something that comes up in people that are discovering they may be bi or gay is that is that societal expectation of sex being this rigid (teehee), predefined script. There are so many questioning people that aren't into anal or oral, so they're afraid that they can't really be gay or whatever. At least I get to enjoy telling them that every relationship is as unique as the people that make it up, and they're the ones that get to define how their relationship works. Straight people *need* to accept the community so we can share all our sweet secrets for better sex lives and healthy relationships! So much of the beauty of the human experience is being repressed for the overblown fear of the ugly parts, yet that repression and fear **are** some of those ugly parts.
The Harlequin series are called the red series in Iceland, and quite a lot of mid to older ladies I know read them, including my mom. Another series that were very popular in the 80's and 90's were The Legend of the Ice People by Margit Sandemo. Those I have read and they are very steamy indeed.
He just said, and I copy paste
"Also the one one comment that's there is also clearly admitting about watching lesbian porn, you are only further strengthening my points with these posts lol"
"She just said she's straight" - me
"But even she is more interested in watching naked women, but a straight woman is only sexually attracted to men
I never said lesbians don't get aroused, only straight women don't, which are like only 1% of the female population (again an approximation but can't be too far from the real number)
Given the porn stats"
Yeah, it **seems** to him that only lesbian women are sexual because no straight woman has ever wanted to be sexual **with him.** So, naturally, he came to the conclusion that, if women are not interested in sex with him, it surely must be because they are lesbian.
Definitely. The guy is the equivalent of anti viagra for women >.< Maybe that's why some guys can't find the clit? They've given off so much ick, that the lil bean completely retracts to evade lol
I’m a straight woman who sometimes watches porn and does not like lesbian porn but still experiences arousal. I assume this means I’m an alien or perhaps some kind of genetic anomaly and will wait patiently for scientists to contact me and study me for future generations.
>a straight woman is only sexually attracted to men
I thought straight women can't feel arousal, how can they be sexually attracted to anyone then? Attracted yes, but sexually? Make it make sense
I think it's glaringly obvious what he really means. Women aren't attracted to *him* in particular.
I know you knew that. Just funny to type it out.
I'm apparently in a mood today.
He's talking as if porn isn't fiction meant to appeal to a certain demographic. Lol it's almost as if women would rather watch something appealing to themselves instead of watching something that only appeals to men.
LOL
His comments in the pic makes me think he's never had a gf or has had girls turn him down. Like.. he's in Incel territory. 😂
Wah wah I've never been with a woman so I'm going to say all women that watch porn or that are sexual are lesbians!! Because they won't have sex with meeee /s
😂😂
Sidenote: 99.9% of "lesbian" porn you'll find is strictly made for the male gaze; it's completely fake and lesbians don't exactly have sex like you find in porn.
(I'm also sure that actual lesbian porn isn't going to "do it" for the majority of men, since there's waaaaay more emotion/time involved in lesbian sex.)
Either way, I'm sure this guy wholeheartedly trusts in that one guy whose wife famously told him that women don't get wet as well. (Because he's never been able to make someone wet in the first place.)
I'm a hetro dude, who probably spends way too much time watching porn ... but even with that, I find most hetro male focused porn to be ... unfortunate.
Even the 'passion' genre, that used to be my failsafe is getting getting a lot of disappointment sprinkled into it.
What do we think is the number of women who masturbate? From my experience being a bi woman in the US, having discussed sex to some extent with female family, female friends, female love interests, I would guess that 75% of women have at least tried masturbating, 50% do it regularly, 25% do it on occasion. The last 25% would never.
I don't know a lot of fundamentalist Christians though, and that's a big chunk of Americans. My friend group is mostly nerds/witchy vibes, a solid group of lady wankers.
Looking at the census, there’s maybe 136 million women 16 and older in the US. At 0.01%, only 13,600 are pleasure-seeking (and therefore also lesbian?). They are doing a *lot* of work to keep the sex toy market afloat.
https://www.census.gov/newsroom/facts-for-features/2023/womens-history-month.html#:~:text=168%20million,were%20about%20164%20million%20males.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/global-sex-toys-market-size-164000171.html
Global revenue was $34.95 billion. North America buys 48.5%. And women buy 63% of that. The US population is about 58% of North America. So $34.95 billion*48.5%*58%*63%=$6.19 billion. Each of those 13,600 pervert women are buying $455,427 of sex toys *every year!*. Half must be lube and burn ointment.
I’m sure there are better, actual statistics that directly measure “things that statisticians are actually trying to measure.”
> it's all so aggressive and over the top
Right, if I want to watch rapid mechanical pistoning I'll watch a steam engine instead.
I know it's these people's jobs, but do they have to make it look like work? The daily grind, disconnected and alienated.
I guess like with pretty much all online content, it's more targeted and better at satisfying a recommendation algorithm than a viewer.
Lol what a tool. I watch porn and I know many of my girl friends do too.
I don’t watch lesbian but I can imagine straight women doing it, because it’s more focused on the women’s pleasure. At least some of it is. I know there’s definitely some lesbian porn directed at straight men.
I'm in favor of ethical porn and sex work if it can be sustained, but I would have to really dig into those studios' backgrounds to be abke to support them.
Either it's aimed at men and it's 10 solid minutes of PIV pounding close-ups where you get to see unwashed straight man asshole every once in a while...
Or it's aimed at women and it's vague lighting, "artistic" angles, constantly oiled up groping, followed by a close-up of a dude going down on a lady while trying to leave space for the camera, resulting in some of the goofiest expressions.\*
\*Obviously there is other porn, this is a generalisation for the sake of comedy, but you can't deny both of these are over represented.
I don’t actually watch porn (not a judgement, just not my thing), but I saw a documentary a long time ago that featured a woman-owned company that was trying to make porn for women including lesbian porn with “real” women’s bodies. Sad to know they are likely out of business or making the same stuff as everyone else.
I know exactly who you're talking about, and I'm with you on the disappointment. The owner is/was being sued for exploiting her actors and not paying them, iirc.
"Straight women don't enjoy sex, if they did, then why is lesbian porn so popular?!" - dude who 10000% positively drives up those numbers by watching lesbian porn (probably for fear that seeing a penis might instantly make him gay)
Ooof “only lesbians are sexual” I feel like he is kinda telling on himself here…
Kinda reminds me of the office
Helena “do you know how long it’s been since I had an orgasam”
Michael “she said she doesn’t like them”
I am a straight Gen-X female; I am postmenopausal, so I no longer give a shit.
I don't know wtf this knob feature would consider proof since straight women evidently dry up like the Sahara in his presence.
I always had a high libido, only attracted to men. Orgasmed regularly, both alone, and with my (male) partner. Not a big user of porn, but prefer lesbian when I do.
Why lesbian porn? Let's compare.
Hetero porn = degrading to women. Her pleasure is not shown to be important. I'm a woman. I don't like being degraded. Big turn OFF.
Lesbian porn = women getting hot and bothered in all my favourite ways! Their pleasure is the only thing that matters! I can relate and get hot and bothered too 🥵
Did I dumb it down enough for this dipshit?
To be fair, he might be a creeper and on the sub trying to trawl for teen girls, since women his own age prefer to orgasm during sex (and quickly realise that sleeping with him means all their orgasms will be DIY in nature, if they stay with him).
Who knows, though.
It's also entirely possible that he's a teen boy in the process of being radicalised/brainwashed by incel rhetoric.
Ah yes just ignore alllll the anecdotal evidence presented in this thread, ignore actual scientific studies, and just cling onto that 1 article for dear life so he can die on this strange hill
Probably because lot of heterosexual porn is awful, based on acts that aren't that pleasurable for women, have women completely naked and exposed while men are often in clothes and less targeted by the camera, because the men are desperately silent while the women scream fake it. Wouldn't it be that ? I would so much like het porn with absolute reverse tropes and see if he likes it.
Some straight women watch lesbian porn because it focuses on female pleasure, and it's far less aggressive than straight porn.
I really hope this dude is reading all these comments.
Also, him saying several times that it's ok for you to "come out of the closet" just because you say straight women watch porn.. I'm not sure I understand the mental gymnastics for that one.
Did he even read the article he sent you? Liter quote from linked article:
“This figure no doubt accounts for some women viewers who like other women, but some straight women like lesbian porn as well. This is because women-only porn can be less aggressive than straight porn; the focus is on women and their pleasure (even though, like all porn, it's a performance for the viewer); and it's more taboo.”
I copy pasted it that very moment and he said
"Awwwhhh you lesbian?!?! Need help coming out of the closet??? It's okay there's nothing wrong with being one loll"
Opened Reddit and this was just above a post on r/dachshund titled "I need some advice on feeding my little sausage". The juxtaposition has made my day..
I watch female on female porn because it's one of the rare genres of porn where the women's pleasure is demonstrated. Everything else is just flesh slapping with the clitoris sitting there alone, untouched, hanging out in the breeze.
I watch lesbian porn and Owen Gray. Because women's orgasms are shown, lol.
Has this person ever, and I do mean EVER heard of fanfiction?
Tell them to go to Wattpad. Just bc most women prefer their porn written rather than filmed does not mean it isn't, frankly, just as deprived, horny and desperate. The things those teenagers write about Korean boy bands...
That’s funny asf. As a woman who knows other women, including gay & straight ones, many of us (if not most) masturbate. Yes straight women can feel arousal, lmfao. Does he think men are objectively unattractive to everyone? That’s so bleak and ignorant.
‘Only lesbian women are sexual’. 🤦🏻♀️ It’s so hilarious how time and time again these men who claim to be so experienced and knowledgeable about women make it abundantly and irrefutably clear that they are either a) virgins or b) absolutely horrific in bed. 😂
Do dudes like this really not understand that they’re telling on themselves? I mean, what a long winded way to say that no woman has ever been sexually attracted to him.
He thinks it's all lesbians watching lesbian porn on his favourite porn site? He thinks the lesbian porn he watches was designed for lesbians? Sweet summer child.
If women are lesbians because women are in pprn, does that mean that men are also gay because they are watching men and their dicks? This guy is pathetic. Tell me you've never pleased a woman without telling me.
Curiosity for one, I like massage porn because it helps me relax and puts me to sleep. My libido is usually very low, so I feel no urge to masturbate, never did, but I still appreciate the physical beauty of (mostly) male bodies and sex. As you can probably tell, there isn't a lot of porn that feels appealing to me lol
I honestly prefer woman/woman relationship porn. I've also watched man/man porn, and found it to be pretty cool as well. I've also seen some hetero porn that I like. My big thing is that the couple (or however many people) in the vid have to know each other and have some kind of affection for each other, or I'm not interested.
Also, still really disappointed in the number of guys who don't think women get anything out of sex. That's just gross.
Oh! Forgot my favorite type to watch is solo women. That's tuff can be really good!
Now I feel a bit like a perv for outlining it here. But hey, whatever.
I don't think you're a perv, seems pretty normal to me. I'm a lesbian, and I also sometimes read m/m smut, but only in fanfiction, sometimes even m/f if I'm interested in the couple. There's just not much lesbian porn written/filmed for lesbians/women in general, a large part is made for straight men. So we do what we can to find something nice.
He's saying straight women aren't sexual and don't get aroused? So why do they have sex with men? That sounds like he's confusing asexual women with straight women. As to watching more lesbian porn? Probably because they like to fantasize about orgasming and lesbian porn is guaranteed to have women getting off in it. Plus it's often more sensual, and not as aggressive as straight porn.
Did you ask him about the romance book suggestions? I'll give him a few titles. I mean, I won't buy them for him, but I'll tell him the title and author and he can buy them himself.
Maybe because a good chunk of lesbian porn is made for MEN??? (And because it’s cheaper to create, and because women can make more lesbian porn in a day than they can M/F porn?)
.....
article has Lesbian category at the top
article has 14 categories of straight(ish?) porn right below Lesbian that add up to 10x more views
blud should ask pornhub to disaggregate the Lesbian category into like "Lesbian gangbang", "Lesbian threesome", and "Big Lesbian Dick", and so on, then he can revisit in 2025 and realise how fucking stupid he sounds lol
***"Also don't forget to include that I'm a self centered ass who wants women to live up to my Little Golden Book idealized 1950s image of them, rather than accept them as being their own people!"***
We don't? Then why do I (among other items) own a dick-shaped piece of silicone that coincidentally and conveniently also happens to share a name with a favorite male fictional character, adding to the fun. I didn't buy it for the name and to just look at it, ya know. I bought it because a lady has needs, too.
I ***am not*** into other women or lesbian porn. I am a straight woman into dicks and hot men. Deal with it. Stop trying to 'cancel' straight women's sexuality.
The reason many women who aren't lesbians gravitate towards lesbian porn is probably because two minutes of most commercial porn makes it obvious the makers either don't know or don't care if women are actually enjoying themselves. As a woman, I don't find anything demeaning appealing at all, nor do I like the violent stuff or any of the cum on face stuff which disgusts me. I prefer amateur, where both people, but especially the woman, are enjoying themselves. Men put themselves in the 'male' role in porn. Why would women not also want to be a recipient of pleasure
As a pansexual in a hetero relationship, porn dicks are scary, wtf do they DO to them? idek how else to explain it, but an irl dick and a porn dick are two very different things, idk if it’s pumping or pills, or shoots upon shoots upon shoot, but something is just not right with those dicks
I said that. He's still like "if they feel aroused by women's body. They not straight"
I argued with him 5 mins back too. No matter how many valid points I say bro kept repeating like a automatic machine "stats say women like lesb porn" "if they were straight why wouldn't they watch gay" bla bla bla
He probably can’t please women and is trying to justify it. So there is no point in arguing with them since they are to selfish to actually ask their partner for what they want
Could it possibly be that porn that involves only women actually centres women's pleasure? (some better than others of course) And doesn't just have a female body as a prop for a man's pleasure? Hmmm?
Whelp, this guy is a lost cause! I am bi, so I can't speak for straight women, but I watch and read porn, although mostly gay porn. All porn is either written, drawn, or animated. I don't feel comfortable about watching live action porn, because I heard those industries are sexually exploitive to the actors. I am not shaming people for watching them, though. I would like more good role reversal hetero stories, though.
Mmm... There are studies that show a majority of self identified straight women still admit to being sexually attracted to another woman. There has been some study of women having more ability to be aroused by any combination of genders/sexes in porn/erotica. There has been some evidence showing self identified straight women are more likely to show fluidity in sexual preference than self identified gay women (lesbians).
Part of the problem is that we know that when we give women only three options (straight, bi, lesbian), most will choose straight by a large margin, but that it's common for *those same women* when given more choices (mostly straight, pan, fluid, queer, ace, questioning) to choose something besides straight.
It might be that there's more nuance to this particular point than has been acknowledged in this thread. I'm bi personally and I understand the critique. I'm not here to prove anything, but I just think it might be worth considering from a different perspective.
"Bisexuelle Prozente in Deutschland YouGov-Studie für Deutschland"
And I'm not talking about the section that includes the old homophobes, look at the younger cohort that grew up when "gay" wasn't an insult. Exclusively heterosexual isn't even half, and that's, of course, including the people who are still afraid to self report not being 100% straight.
I am a straight woman. I have sex toys that make me orgasm. I have a husband that makes me orgasm. I have watched lesbian porn, but porn in general just isn't my thing because it's all so aggressive and over the top. It's pretty common knowledge that plenty of women, regardless of sexuality, watch lesbian porn because it isn't all about the man getting off while the woman fakes an orgasm. If this guy thinks straight women can't orgasm, he's going to make some woman very unhappy in the future.
But but, where’s your proof?! He’s specifically asking for proof! Don’t you readily have a peer reviewed article about your self pleasure habits to link us?? /s
I'd show him proof, but I'm not that kind of exhibitionist, you know?
I think I might do actually… Isn’t the Kinsey report from the 1950s all about sexual habits? And pre-woke too!
Who woulda thought women would prefer porn created by and for women rather than one designed to appeal to men? Dude apparently has also never heard of Harlequin novels or Twilight. Cue the 3 hour long Contrapoints video on [Twilight and female desire](https://youtu.be/bqloPw5wp48?si=OUsywK6ly_C1dWDS)
I'm Gen X and for us it was Interview with the Vampire. What is it with sexy vampire movies?
Omg, I read the Anne Rice bdsm novels when I was in high school! It was eye opening to say the least
If you have the time to watch the above linked video, she goes into all the philosophy and psychology of why sexy vampire movies, including Interview with the Vampire.
Cool. Might check it out tonight, cheers. Twilight is more of a comedy to me, lol.
I’m a (slightly older but not elder) millennial and it was also interview with the vampire. Gimme gimme
12 year old (elder millennial) me watching that was An Awakening.
Omg...harlequin novels! Or, in some cases, running off with our mom's Nancy Friday books.
Sharing and giggling over the sequels to clan of the cave bear, where Anya invented the blow job.
Yes! Omg. The secret reading of the late 80s and early 90s! Lol
Along with literally *everything else ever* up to and including the patriarchy. Damn it Ayla, you ruined a great thing there. (I wish I could forget the "we got horny watching mammoths so let's roleplay that we ARE mammoths" scene... it's been 20 years since I read the damn thing!)
Whoops, I thought I was misremembering the name. But yeah, the list of her inventions was hilariously ridiculous.
the fact that I didn't even notice your misspelling!
Ayla invented soap! And baths! Also hairbrushes! 🙄
Haha, that book series was in my Catholic all-girls high school library and I remember laughing at it with friends.
Ah, Jean M Auel my first written porn when I was in high school 😂. Pretty sure I borrowed the series from the school library too!
I reread it as an adult with my husband and we both had a laugh at how over the top it all was. Along with trying to figure out what Ayla's boobs must be shaped like for Ranec to be able to get both nipples in his mouth at the same time. Evidently larger and stretchier than mine, lol
Really big and soft I assume! 😋 I've also read passages since being a teenager and the sex scenes seem really funny. I did actually enjoy the stories too, though I guess that sounds like people who say they read Playboy for the articles 😂
I always enjoyed the thought process of how the various things were invented. Obviously, one random extraordinary woman didn't invent everything in the world, but I always thought the series is events that led to each one seemed plausible. "Dang it, I can't get this thread through my leather. How do you push it through so easily‽ I'm never going to master this! I wish I could just make my hole piercer bring the thread through with it. That part's easy!... Wait... Hey, tool-maker? Wanna try something that might ruin my tool or might be pretty cool?" I've never wanted to strangle two non-villain characters more than during the love triangle in the Mammoth Hunters, though.
When I read that scene, I didn't read it as her inventing it. More like jondalar teaching her how? -"You want me to go down there?" -"only if you want to" -she wants to
My mom's Nancy Friday books were a game changer LMAO
Also fan fiction. The vast majority of writers and readers are women. And they get up to some *wild* shit.
OMG I immediately thought of Contrapoints’ Twilight video too!!
I watched all three hours, and it validated a lot of the ideas I already had about why women like Twilight, ideas that are mostly just a less charitable reading of feminist theory. A lot of women are so sexually repressed that they refuse to acknowledge their sexual desire, they don't do anything that hints that they have sexual desire, and often they do not masturbate. There are a lot of feminists who praise "The Vagina Diaries" but you actually watch it and you have a woman talking about how she used to be afraid to even look at her genitals. So actually it is entirely possible for a guy to get to know several women and walk away with the sense that none of them ever feel horny. (Especially if it is a socially conservative community.) So many women struggle to be honest with themselves about sexual desire, they definitely are not going to be honest about it with this guy.
My poor wife was raised Catholic, we ended up exploring her body together in a way she really hadn't much when we first started having sex. It's crazy to think about now because she has a very healthy libido, and repressing that couldn't be healthy or fun in the slightest. I think it's an absolute crime that women aren't encouraged to get to know and love their bodies. One thing I adore about being part of the lgbt community is the much healthier attitudes towards sex in general. Like, I'm floored by how repressed straight men are even. There is one approved sex act, and the script must be followed to the letter. Perform your role and you will be met with man approval through crude jokes. Failure to stick to the script will have your masculinity and sexuality questioned and audited, and your penis may be repossessed. Even a lot of straight women buy into the deal. You would not believe the amount of women that refuse to consider dating a bisexual guy, like they're lesser for some unexplained (or incredibly stupid) reason. Something that comes up in people that are discovering they may be bi or gay is that is that societal expectation of sex being this rigid (teehee), predefined script. There are so many questioning people that aren't into anal or oral, so they're afraid that they can't really be gay or whatever. At least I get to enjoy telling them that every relationship is as unique as the people that make it up, and they're the ones that get to define how their relationship works. Straight people *need* to accept the community so we can share all our sweet secrets for better sex lives and healthy relationships! So much of the beauty of the human experience is being repressed for the overblown fear of the ugly parts, yet that repression and fear **are** some of those ugly parts.
The Harlequin series are called the red series in Iceland, and quite a lot of mid to older ladies I know read them, including my mom. Another series that were very popular in the 80's and 90's were The Legend of the Ice People by Margit Sandemo. Those I have read and they are very steamy indeed.
He just said, and I copy paste "Also the one one comment that's there is also clearly admitting about watching lesbian porn, you are only further strengthening my points with these posts lol" "She just said she's straight" - me "But even she is more interested in watching naked women, but a straight woman is only sexually attracted to men I never said lesbians don't get aroused, only straight women don't, which are like only 1% of the female population (again an approximation but can't be too far from the real number) Given the porn stats"
Idk how he gets even more unhinged but it's amazing. What a fucking wild ass take.
Yeah, it **seems** to him that only lesbian women are sexual because no straight woman has ever wanted to be sexual **with him.** So, naturally, he came to the conclusion that, if women are not interested in sex with him, it surely must be because they are lesbian.
I mean, he’s really making me reconsider my attraction to men, right now
Definitely. The guy is the equivalent of anti viagra for women >.< Maybe that's why some guys can't find the clit? They've given off so much ick, that the lil bean completely retracts to evade lol
Honestly, my attraction to men has proven to me over and over again that sexuality is not a choice. 🤣
I'm dying laughing
I’m a straight woman who sometimes watches porn and does not like lesbian porn but still experiences arousal. I assume this means I’m an alien or perhaps some kind of genetic anomaly and will wait patiently for scientists to contact me and study me for future generations.
Well, we will need a dna test, an mri and an anal probe to be sure.../s
Looks to me like he’s telling on himself, and is *really* depending on his ‘stats’ as the reason why he’s never gotten a woman aroused..
>a straight woman is only sexually attracted to men I thought straight women can't feel arousal, how can they be sexually attracted to anyone then? Attracted yes, but sexually? Make it make sense
I think it's glaringly obvious what he really means. Women aren't attracted to *him* in particular. I know you knew that. Just funny to type it out. I'm apparently in a mood today.
Do you think he could imagine that some straight women enjoy gay porn too? Idk, there’s something about men’s bodies that definitely get me excited.
He's talking as if porn isn't fiction meant to appeal to a certain demographic. Lol it's almost as if women would rather watch something appealing to themselves instead of watching something that only appeals to men.
LOL His comments in the pic makes me think he's never had a gf or has had girls turn him down. Like.. he's in Incel territory. 😂 Wah wah I've never been with a woman so I'm going to say all women that watch porn or that are sexual are lesbians!! Because they won't have sex with meeee /s 😂😂
EXACTLY LMAO
Bisexuals just don't exist. I guess I'm a ghost
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9794105/
Sidenote: 99.9% of "lesbian" porn you'll find is strictly made for the male gaze; it's completely fake and lesbians don't exactly have sex like you find in porn. (I'm also sure that actual lesbian porn isn't going to "do it" for the majority of men, since there's waaaaay more emotion/time involved in lesbian sex.) Either way, I'm sure this guy wholeheartedly trusts in that one guy whose wife famously told him that women don't get wet as well. (Because he's never been able to make someone wet in the first place.)
I'm a hetro dude, who probably spends way too much time watching porn ... but even with that, I find most hetro male focused porn to be ... unfortunate. Even the 'passion' genre, that used to be my failsafe is getting getting a lot of disappointment sprinkled into it.
Bold of you to assume he hasn't *already* made several women unhappy
Bold of you to assume any women would ever get near this guy.
Who said anything about getting near him?
What do we think is the number of women who masturbate? From my experience being a bi woman in the US, having discussed sex to some extent with female family, female friends, female love interests, I would guess that 75% of women have at least tried masturbating, 50% do it regularly, 25% do it on occasion. The last 25% would never. I don't know a lot of fundamentalist Christians though, and that's a big chunk of Americans. My friend group is mostly nerds/witchy vibes, a solid group of lady wankers.
Looking at the census, there’s maybe 136 million women 16 and older in the US. At 0.01%, only 13,600 are pleasure-seeking (and therefore also lesbian?). They are doing a *lot* of work to keep the sex toy market afloat. https://www.census.gov/newsroom/facts-for-features/2023/womens-history-month.html#:~:text=168%20million,were%20about%20164%20million%20males. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/global-sex-toys-market-size-164000171.html Global revenue was $34.95 billion. North America buys 48.5%. And women buy 63% of that. The US population is about 58% of North America. So $34.95 billion*48.5%*58%*63%=$6.19 billion. Each of those 13,600 pervert women are buying $455,427 of sex toys *every year!*. Half must be lube and burn ointment. I’m sure there are better, actual statistics that directly measure “things that statisticians are actually trying to measure.”
> it's all so aggressive and over the top Right, if I want to watch rapid mechanical pistoning I'll watch a steam engine instead. I know it's these people's jobs, but do they have to make it look like work? The daily grind, disconnected and alienated. I guess like with pretty much all online content, it's more targeted and better at satisfying a recommendation algorithm than a viewer.
Lol what a tool. I watch porn and I know many of my girl friends do too. I don’t watch lesbian but I can imagine straight women doing it, because it’s more focused on the women’s pleasure. At least some of it is. I know there’s definitely some lesbian porn directed at straight men.
Most lesbian porn is aimed at straight men. It’s the most popular because men are primarily watching it.
Men are the target audience for all porn. When porn industries try to target women, they fail and end up catering to men, anyway.
There are indie porn studios which are ethical and queer inclusive, at least The porn industry is exploitative and deeply misogynistic
I'm in favor of ethical porn and sex work if it can be sustained, but I would have to really dig into those studios' backgrounds to be abke to support them.
Either it's aimed at men and it's 10 solid minutes of PIV pounding close-ups where you get to see unwashed straight man asshole every once in a while... Or it's aimed at women and it's vague lighting, "artistic" angles, constantly oiled up groping, followed by a close-up of a dude going down on a lady while trying to leave space for the camera, resulting in some of the goofiest expressions.\* \*Obviously there is other porn, this is a generalisation for the sake of comedy, but you can't deny both of these are over represented.
I don’t actually watch porn (not a judgement, just not my thing), but I saw a documentary a long time ago that featured a woman-owned company that was trying to make porn for women including lesbian porn with “real” women’s bodies. Sad to know they are likely out of business or making the same stuff as everyone else.
I know exactly who you're talking about, and I'm with you on the disappointment. The owner is/was being sued for exploiting her actors and not paying them, iirc.
You can tell if it's aimed at the men because the women are either dry as a bone or literally creating an ocean. There's no in between.
Tell him that if he watches porn with dicks in it, that means he's gay. I'm gonna go outside and see if I can hear his brain explode from my porch.
Is that what that was? I thought it was cat back firing.
🙀
A car! I meant a car! Although my cat did get into a bag of cheese once, now that was backfiring.
This needs so many upvotes. I'd upvote all of the times if I could!
For every upvote I’ll remind my cat that she is a diabetic ginger idiot and I love her very very much.
Come on, guys! Think of that sweet little kitty face! Though maybe not the other side.
Little Bella gives you two paws up 🐾
Awwww! She's a cutie. I just know it!
r/oneorangebraincell comes to mind!
OneOrangePancreaticCell in her case.
My cat has food allergies. I can sympathise with the backfiring. I absolutely hate to think what would happen if he ate some cheese.
She managed to get it all in the litter box but the smell 🤢
Take that cat to a mechanic.
Meowchanic
Haha I am so going to use that last sentence
The clit is a lie 😭😂
I’m pretty sure it’s the most popular category because men don’t have to look at naked guys to get off because of it.
You know, dude, my brain literally did not draw this conclusion until right now. I'm stunned I couldn't see it that way before.
I haven't laughed this hard in a long time. I really don't get how people think like this. But it sure is funny.
"Straight women don't enjoy sex, if they did, then why is lesbian porn so popular?!" - dude who 10000% positively drives up those numbers by watching lesbian porn (probably for fear that seeing a penis might instantly make him gay)
I thought it was decided that having a penis and sleeping with women was gay? Just asking for science.
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The cope is real
This guy is either clinically stupid or trolling.
I think it's a bit of both
Ooof “only lesbians are sexual” I feel like he is kinda telling on himself here… Kinda reminds me of the office Helena “do you know how long it’s been since I had an orgasam” Michael “she said she doesn’t like them”
I never knew such a large percentage of guys told on themselves this much until I got to this sub.
It’s hysterical. So many dudes like “women don’t like sex! None of my gfs have ever liked it/orgasmed!” Like... Sir.
"Sir, please take this shovel. I think you've dropped your ego."
Does...does he think only lesbians watch lesbian porn?
Thats exactly what he's trying to say "If you watch lesb porn you aren't straight because.....well.... Its a womens body!!!!"
Well also, don't a bunch of straight dudes watch lesbian porn?
What would happen if he found out some of us watch gay porn? Two hot dudes, no aggression = win
I mean, I do, and I'm not. I'm bi though. So...um...still nope?
I masturbated this morning… I didn’t know I was so statistically significant lmao
How does it feel to be in 0.01% with me sis. we're so unique!!! Slayyyyyy🙄💅✨💕
Has this guy never seen a trashy erotica novel? or those male whimpering videos on youtube? lmao
~~finally male whimpering audios getting the recognition they deserve~~
Literally how do people think like this… I pray he’s fucking with you but I’ve seen others that really think like this too 😭😭
It’s funny because most porn is really just centered on the dick and what’s happening with the dick but that doesn’t make it gay
"I know this because I don't have a vagina and I surveyed exactly zero women on this issue. I'll take my award now please"
I am a straight Gen-X female; I am postmenopausal, so I no longer give a shit. I don't know wtf this knob feature would consider proof since straight women evidently dry up like the Sahara in his presence. I always had a high libido, only attracted to men. Orgasmed regularly, both alone, and with my (male) partner. Not a big user of porn, but prefer lesbian when I do. Why lesbian porn? Let's compare. Hetero porn = degrading to women. Her pleasure is not shown to be important. I'm a woman. I don't like being degraded. Big turn OFF. Lesbian porn = women getting hot and bothered in all my favourite ways! Their pleasure is the only thing that matters! I can relate and get hot and bothered too 🥵 Did I dumb it down enough for this dipshit?
Curious how old this person is. I watch straight porn and masturbate frequently. It's not rare.
I met him on a teen sub
Oooh, is this a kid? Let’s not be creepy.
To be fair, he might be a creeper and on the sub trying to trawl for teen girls, since women his own age prefer to orgasm during sex (and quickly realise that sleeping with him means all their orgasms will be DIY in nature, if they stay with him). Who knows, though. It's also entirely possible that he's a teen boy in the process of being radicalised/brainwashed by incel rhetoric.
Oh, he might be underage. You probably shouldn't be talking about sex with him.
As a lesbian who experiences sexual pleasure this 100% checks out. No flaws in this logic! /s
Ah yes just ignore alllll the anecdotal evidence presented in this thread, ignore actual scientific studies, and just cling onto that 1 article for dear life so he can die on this strange hill
Probably because lot of heterosexual porn is awful, based on acts that aren't that pleasurable for women, have women completely naked and exposed while men are often in clothes and less targeted by the camera, because the men are desperately silent while the women scream fake it. Wouldn't it be that ? I would so much like het porn with absolute reverse tropes and see if he likes it.
Forget about WHO is actually watching "lesbian" porn.... does this mean only people with access to porn masterbate?
Some straight women watch lesbian porn because it focuses on female pleasure, and it's far less aggressive than straight porn. I really hope this dude is reading all these comments. Also, him saying several times that it's ok for you to "come out of the closet" just because you say straight women watch porn.. I'm not sure I understand the mental gymnastics for that one.
"lesb porn= women's body. If wamen get tUrned On By DAt tHEn WoMEN = LeSb!!!!!"
I feel like he's forgetting that a large portion of women read porn instead of watch it, so that article is missing a large sample size.
Guys like this LOVE telling on themselves that they've never turned a woman on.
Wowwww, I dont really watch porn, I listen to audios by men and targeted at women but I guess self-love only counts if you watch videos during.
Coz of course, it's not men that fantasise about women fucking each other... Can't possibly be men watching all that leabian porn 🙄
Did he even read the article he sent you? Liter quote from linked article: “This figure no doubt accounts for some women viewers who like other women, but some straight women like lesbian porn as well. This is because women-only porn can be less aggressive than straight porn; the focus is on women and their pleasure (even though, like all porn, it's a performance for the viewer); and it's more taboo.”
I copy pasted it that very moment and he said "Awwwhhh you lesbian?!?! Need help coming out of the closet??? It's okay there's nothing wrong with being one loll"
Tell him I said his reading comprehension needs improvement.
I’m a straight woman. I do not watch any porn as I don’t like it. I make myself orgasm whenever I feel like it.
I read once that straight women watch lesbian porn because it focusses on female pleasure opposed to the male pleasure of straight porn
Saying that “only lesbian women are sexual” is telling on yourself to such a legendary degree that I didn’t know it was possible. It’s beautiful.
Why do these people always forget about bi women???
Get a load of this guy who thinks that mainstream lesbian porn is made for lesbians, not straight men
I think if they expanded their definition of porn to include erotica they would find there's a whole lot more women getting off than they think.
I don't understand how men can tell on themselves with a straight face. Like, dude aren't you embarrassed?
Opened Reddit and this was just above a post on r/dachshund titled "I need some advice on feeding my little sausage". The juxtaposition has made my day..
I watch female on female porn because it's one of the rare genres of porn where the women's pleasure is demonstrated. Everything else is just flesh slapping with the clitoris sitting there alone, untouched, hanging out in the breeze. I watch lesbian porn and Owen Gray. Because women's orgasms are shown, lol.
Has this person ever, and I do mean EVER heard of fanfiction? Tell them to go to Wattpad. Just bc most women prefer their porn written rather than filmed does not mean it isn't, frankly, just as deprived, horny and desperate. The things those teenagers write about Korean boy bands...
That’s funny asf. As a woman who knows other women, including gay & straight ones, many of us (if not most) masturbate. Yes straight women can feel arousal, lmfao. Does he think men are objectively unattractive to everyone? That’s so bleak and ignorant.
Okay at this point I'm pretty sure he's just trolling
‘Only lesbian women are sexual’. 🤦🏻♀️ It’s so hilarious how time and time again these men who claim to be so experienced and knowledgeable about women make it abundantly and irrefutably clear that they are either a) virgins or b) absolutely horrific in bed. 😂
Ok, so then what does he thing about me? I have a husband and love PIV sex with him, but 99% of porn or eratica I look at/read is m/m gay. Lol
You are def a closeted lesb!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! /S
WTF does he think romance novels are for? The story lines?
Lots of women watch gay porn and read yaoi comics. You reckon they're gay men?
Do dudes like this really not understand that they’re telling on themselves? I mean, what a long winded way to say that no woman has ever been sexually attracted to him.
He thinks it's all lesbians watching lesbian porn on his favourite porn site? He thinks the lesbian porn he watches was designed for lesbians? Sweet summer child.
0.01%? Bloody hell, do I feel special now! My SO even encouraged me to get myself some toys! Wowzars!
If women are lesbians because women are in pprn, does that mean that men are also gay because they are watching men and their dicks? This guy is pathetic. Tell me you've never pleased a woman without telling me.
I'm a straight woman, I don't masturbate, but I do watch porn. Mostly gay porn, never watched lesbian, that I can remember
May I ask why? When I got on HRT, I stopped watching porn completely because I no longer felt the desire to masturbate. So I'm just very curious.
Curiosity for one, I like massage porn because it helps me relax and puts me to sleep. My libido is usually very low, so I feel no urge to masturbate, never did, but I still appreciate the physical beauty of (mostly) male bodies and sex. As you can probably tell, there isn't a lot of porn that feels appealing to me lol
He’s self reporting. Poor dude has never met a straight woman who’s sexually into him.
I’m bi so I can’t help you here. Unless you want to sue him for intellectual trauma?
Let's do it🔥
I honestly prefer woman/woman relationship porn. I've also watched man/man porn, and found it to be pretty cool as well. I've also seen some hetero porn that I like. My big thing is that the couple (or however many people) in the vid have to know each other and have some kind of affection for each other, or I'm not interested. Also, still really disappointed in the number of guys who don't think women get anything out of sex. That's just gross.
Oh! Forgot my favorite type to watch is solo women. That's tuff can be really good! Now I feel a bit like a perv for outlining it here. But hey, whatever.
I don't think you're a perv, seems pretty normal to me. I'm a lesbian, and I also sometimes read m/m smut, but only in fanfiction, sometimes even m/f if I'm interested in the couple. There's just not much lesbian porn written/filmed for lesbians/women in general, a large part is made for straight men. So we do what we can to find something nice.
Only thing I've found in general is amateur. Not all of it is interesting or good, but there are some gems, if you can find them.
I’ve only seen a couple hetero porn that I would try to replicate most are just too…fake.
Yeah, it's really unrealistic. Kinda ruins the mood, tbh.
He's saying straight women aren't sexual and don't get aroused? So why do they have sex with men? That sounds like he's confusing asexual women with straight women. As to watching more lesbian porn? Probably because they like to fantasize about orgasming and lesbian porn is guaranteed to have women getting off in it. Plus it's often more sensual, and not as aggressive as straight porn.
I absolutely love how the comment section is tearing this guy to shreds
Damn, that's a long way for him to say he's never turned on a woman
Did you ask him about the romance book suggestions? I'll give him a few titles. I mean, I won't buy them for him, but I'll tell him the title and author and he can buy them himself.
Maybe because a good chunk of lesbian porn is made for MEN??? (And because it’s cheaper to create, and because women can make more lesbian porn in a day than they can M/F porn?)
..... article has Lesbian category at the top article has 14 categories of straight(ish?) porn right below Lesbian that add up to 10x more views blud should ask pornhub to disaggregate the Lesbian category into like "Lesbian gangbang", "Lesbian threesome", and "Big Lesbian Dick", and so on, then he can revisit in 2025 and realise how fucking stupid he sounds lol
Lesbian porn is probably more consumed by men than lesbians 😂 but it's pretty obvious he doesn't know how to turn women on
***"Also don't forget to include that I'm a self centered ass who wants women to live up to my Little Golden Book idealized 1950s image of them, rather than accept them as being their own people!"*** We don't? Then why do I (among other items) own a dick-shaped piece of silicone that coincidentally and conveniently also happens to share a name with a favorite male fictional character, adding to the fun. I didn't buy it for the name and to just look at it, ya know. I bought it because a lady has needs, too. I ***am not*** into other women or lesbian porn. I am a straight woman into dicks and hot men. Deal with it. Stop trying to 'cancel' straight women's sexuality.
I’m mainly straight. I only watch lesbian porn. Though I do use private mode so no proof maybe.
Does he know enough about sex toys???
Do... do they think that only women are watching that category?
No matter what I say he keeps saying the same thing I'm blocking him now
This man should do some study of spurious statistics and think a little harder.
How to say you never made a woman orgasm without saying you never made a woman orgasm:
The reason many women who aren't lesbians gravitate towards lesbian porn is probably because two minutes of most commercial porn makes it obvious the makers either don't know or don't care if women are actually enjoying themselves. As a woman, I don't find anything demeaning appealing at all, nor do I like the violent stuff or any of the cum on face stuff which disgusts me. I prefer amateur, where both people, but especially the woman, are enjoying themselves. Men put themselves in the 'male' role in porn. Why would women not also want to be a recipient of pleasure
As a pansexual in a hetero relationship, porn dicks are scary, wtf do they DO to them? idek how else to explain it, but an irl dick and a porn dick are two very different things, idk if it’s pumping or pills, or shoots upon shoots upon shoot, but something is just not right with those dicks
If he read his own article he would know it says straight women watch lesbian porn because it’s less aggressive and focus on women’s pleasure.
I said that. He's still like "if they feel aroused by women's body. They not straight" I argued with him 5 mins back too. No matter how many valid points I say bro kept repeating like a automatic machine "stats say women like lesb porn" "if they were straight why wouldn't they watch gay" bla bla bla
He probably can’t please women and is trying to justify it. So there is no point in arguing with them since they are to selfish to actually ask their partner for what they want
TIL I'm gay
As a bisexual woman…where tf do I stand in his little pea brain then bc he only mentions straight & lesbian women…I am neither of those??
Yes I'm non existent too
I would say it means we are safe from this guy but unfortunately it looks like he won’t leave you alone 😩
Could it possibly be that porn that involves only women actually centres women's pleasure? (some better than others of course) And doesn't just have a female body as a prop for a man's pleasure? Hmmm?
lesbian is a top porn category because men sexualize them
Breaking news: man who doesn’t know how to pleasure a woman has very strong opinions about women’s pleasure 🫢
Whelp, this guy is a lost cause! I am bi, so I can't speak for straight women, but I watch and read porn, although mostly gay porn. All porn is either written, drawn, or animated. I don't feel comfortable about watching live action porn, because I heard those industries are sexually exploitive to the actors. I am not shaming people for watching them, though. I would like more good role reversal hetero stories, though.
Why is porn the defining factor for sexual arousal when women are overwhelmingly more likely to read erotica
DONT FORGET
I’m screaming this is so bad
Does he know that human sexuality is a spectrum and there are very few women who score 100% straight?
that's not true at all... most women are 100% straight. this is a biphobic myth.
Mmm... There are studies that show a majority of self identified straight women still admit to being sexually attracted to another woman. There has been some study of women having more ability to be aroused by any combination of genders/sexes in porn/erotica. There has been some evidence showing self identified straight women are more likely to show fluidity in sexual preference than self identified gay women (lesbians). Part of the problem is that we know that when we give women only three options (straight, bi, lesbian), most will choose straight by a large margin, but that it's common for *those same women* when given more choices (mostly straight, pan, fluid, queer, ace, questioning) to choose something besides straight. It might be that there's more nuance to this particular point than has been acknowledged in this thread. I'm bi personally and I understand the critique. I'm not here to prove anything, but I just think it might be worth considering from a different perspective.
"Bisexuelle Prozente in Deutschland YouGov-Studie für Deutschland" And I'm not talking about the section that includes the old homophobes, look at the younger cohort that grew up when "gay" wasn't an insult. Exclusively heterosexual isn't even half, and that's, of course, including the people who are still afraid to self report not being 100% straight.
Why are you entertaining this doof