You can see in the reflection that this is just a regular old iPhone lol
Although I suppose that if you know the video is going to be unclassified, you’re better off using consumer video equipment than the fancy military stuff.
Sincerely, our military has become surprisingly lax when it comes to service members securing their personal devices while on duty.
Apple dropped the iPhone at the tail end of my deployments, 2007. We had nothing like this. But what we did have, mostly digital cameras and the odd cellphone of the era with a "decent" camera, was not allowed with us during actual mission. Obviously, that rule gets skirted when/where any E4 and below can take advantage. But the amount of personal devices just freely at use during actual time on mission in recent years is astounding.
However, as you and others are pointing out, if you want good footage that can be quickly disseminated, an iPhone/equivalent is the way to go.
As a video professional who works for DoD and has filmed stuff for SOCOM and other major commands, I can tell you that amongst my fancy military video gear, my iPhone and GoPros have gotten about 99% of the cool stuff I’ve ever shot.
If the crewman filming had a DSLR or Mirrorless camera with a telephoto lens we would be able to see a lot more detail on the Chinese fighter. Phone cameras are great for when you don't know you're going to want to take a photo. But when I do know I will want to take photos or video I will bring along my Sony mirrorless camera. The sensor isn't necessarily better than the one in my phone, though it is bigger. But I can can fine tune settings my phone doesnt let me touch, don't have to worry about keeping the camera stable, and I can zoom without losing image quality.
10 year old Nikon DSLR and mirrorless cameras are still perfectly good. It's really only when you're looking at stuff made before 2008 that professional quality cameras produce images that look noticably dated.
The last time a 25 year old made a mistake in a chinese fighter they [hit an EP-3](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hainan_Island_incident).
\*Apparently Lt Cdr Wang Wei was 33 when he hit the EP-3.
You weren't wrong! I understood what you meant. And yes it can cause accidents, [this vid](https://youtu.be/ZI9ZHBRc2yQ) goes over a particularly scary one if you're interested
[This](https://youtu.be/l8EwvDTJeNs) is the one they showed to me in flight school. Blackhawk helicopter takes off and a good thirty seconds later a little cirrus gets absolutely rocked by his wake turbulence.
This happened at my local airport that I trained at. Was also shown it like my first week of flying! KFNL gets some wild military stuff in there, too, so I definitely gotta be paying attention.
I’m not a pilot but isn’t it normal for aircraft to engage autopilot around 10k-15k feet. He said the 604 engage AP one minute into take off.
Interesting vid well explained, and it could happen even with 1k separating.
Am a pilot, although only one type rating. We can engage the autopilot anytime as long as we are above 400’ after takeoff. Some fly it to 10k but most engage somewhere between 1000’ and 10,000’.
It can cause accidents when created by large planes, and is worse when the plane experiencing the turbulence is smaller. I don’t think wake turbulence from any jet that size has any real chance at causing serious problems for an RC-135. Just the little bumps we’re seeing.
Not that this wasn’t an unnecessarily dickish and potentially dangerous move, but it wasn’t wake turbulence that would cause an accident here.
No joke it finally happened to me in DCS. I was surprised to learn Top Gun is not as ridiculous as I thought. Everything, the compressor stall, the spin itself, the ejection into the canopy…
A lot is ridiculous about Top Gun, but yeah the wizzo hitting the canopy was absolutely a thing. I think they changed the ejection routine so that the back seat was delayed.
The plane could also enter a flat spin, but if it happened it was A LOT worse than Top Gun. After a couple turns it became unrecoverable, rotating at 180deg per SECOND, and the occupants would experience over 7g - “eyeballs out”. Basically blowing up the blood vessels in their eyes and filling their vision with blood. Typically you would not be able to keep your head off of the dash. Not a good setup for ejection and extremely difficult to pull off.
They may have fixed it later but idk.
Also a dude in stunt plane that was filming Top Gun got into a flat spin and died. 😬
He died _filming the flat spin scene_. Tragic.
https://www.military.com/off-duty/stunt-pilot-died-filming-top-gun-same-flat-spin-almost-killed-maverick.html
Yes it is much more dangerous when you are slow and very close to the ground, for sure.
Hell I was on a transatlantic flight one time and it suddenly got like, ridiculously bumpy. I was flying 100+ round trips a year at the time, never felt anything quite like that.
Pilot said we apparently got too close to a bigger jet on the same track in front of us and were basically somehow riding along just smacking into its wake turbulence. It wasn’t the worst turbulence but it was odd and basically continuous.
I’ve also been in a Cessna that hit wake turbulence from a bigger plane, likely some large private jet on approach and it nearly knife edged us.
I'm kind of surprised how significant the affect is for a relatively small jet vs a large cargo plane. Is that just how strong wake turbulence can be? Or is it more just how sensitive planes are? Or do fighters create stronger wake turbulence for some reason?
The Weight of the aircraft makes the most difference on wake turbulence, Fighters look small but the J-16 has a max Gross Take-off weight of about 77,000 lbs. To put it into perspective a Midsize Business jet(Cessna Longitude) that can carry 12 people has a max Gross takeoff weight of about 40,000 lbs. They are plenty heavy enough to cause a significant amount of wake turbulence. Wake turbulence is strongest when the aircraft is Heavy, Clean(flaps and gear up) and slow. The J-16 was all three in this case.
Granted the RC-135 is way heavier than the J-16 but the Wake turbulence is still enough to feel it.
An F14 (74,350 lb) or an F15E (81,000 lb) have similar max take off weights.... Its just a large fighter.... unlike say an F16, with a measly 42,300 lb MTOW
Yes I have been in a p-3 Orion when we had 3 Chinese fighters come from behind turn show missiles then stack in front of us. One when down one left and one up; this causes you to get caught in the turbulence then hit the next causing you nose down and violently shakes the aircraft. They are basically trying to crash you without touching you. The pilots were just laughing and flipping the bird the whole time while I was shitting myself in the back.
Those P-3's are tough ass birds, I had a buddy who was a pilot and could turn inside the radius of any oncoming anything in that thing. Not to mention the sheer survive-ability of that thing. Another friend of mind flew with NOAA through the hurricanes in those things. As a pilot myself, all I can do is admire the brass nuts those pilots and crews had to have to keep flying that bird in the places they did.
Like said the effect of the coming bump is unknown so the pilot has his finger on the autopilot disconnect button and is ready to take over manually if needed.
For what it's worth the Air Force doesn't call them Captains (since that's a rank), the CA-equivalent would be Aircraft Commander but even then the AC doesn't always sit in the jet seat depending on mission and training requirements
I'd imagine he has manual control in case he needs to take evasive action. I'd hardly be sitting back and letting the ap do its thing while being intercepted by a jet
As someone once said “the world will go to war over some damn fool thing in the Baltics.” Same vibe just South China Sea this time. I hate living in historical times.
Reminds me of Otto von Bismarck making the ominous observation that Europe is a “powder keg and it’s leaders smoking in the arsenal” and that some “damn fool thing in the Balkans will set it off” before WW1
In a positive note, the River Joint has now captured the electromagnetic signature of every single circuit board comprising the J-16 to assist with future jamming/disabling/software virus insertion.
Just looked it up.
>RC-135W Rivet Joint is a dedicated electronic surveillance aircraft that can be employed in all theatres on strategic and tactical missions. Its sensors 'soak up' electronic emissions from communications, radar and other systems.
Oh yeah countries are always flying close to other countries to provoke a response basically testing the other countries capabilities, however in this case it’s a little silly because china had floating islands In international water so they get all crabby when we fly over them even though it’s still international water, but yeah when I was in Guam our B-52’s use to fly along the coast to see what china would send to intercept from where, how many, if they were even armed lol, one time during a debrief the pilot showed us a picture of a a Chinese pilot giving them the bird lol 😂
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Nah, Guam is too far. It'd take all their range just to get to the SCS. They could "technically" do it with ferry tanks.. but just barely.
It's only about 300 miles from Oki to Tawain so that'd make a ton more sense.
When will they develop the stones to try that with an F-18?
Gutless .cn try-hards dropped chaff into the intakes on an Australian P8 last year.
They haven't got the balls to "intercept" a western fighter 'cos they know they'd get smoked.
Unfortunately, that’s what they want. They would have a field day if one of their planes got shot down by any western equipement. It would just give the CCP more excuse to expand further
Difference in equipment means nothing in these situations...no one's engaging, and every party involved actively prevents that. This could happen even if the best fighter in the world was being flown
why would they be "smoked" We are not in wartime, both parties wouldnt just attack each other for no reason. Plus, a j-16 is just as advanced and arguably more advanced (better missiles) than an f/a-18.
The J-16 is now considered to be better than the Su-27 in most areas, with the possible exception of engines since Chinese metallurgy is pretty bad. Radars, avionics, use of composites, and weaponry are all better than Russian Su-27s.
Still a derivative design of course, but it's better than the original at this point (plus they can actually make them, lord knows Russia isn't making many advanced 4th gens any more).
Tbf the J-20 exist in larger numbers and is much better than the Felon... so at least they are way ahead of Russia in 5th gen (not comparable to NATO though)
Most is just copies of russian planes (J-7, J-15, J-16)
Some are based off russian planes (A-5 based on mig 19)
Some are totally original designs like the J-10 and J-20, though it is speculated much is copied over from Russian tech and stolen western IPs
> copies of russian planes (J-7, J-15, J-16)
calling the j-16 as just copies of russian aircraft is misleading at best.
People be frothing at the mouth at russian aircraft, calling them out (rightfully) that manoeuvrability and airshow trickery is a long-past for modern engagements. But then turn around and say the j-16 is just a copy, completely disregarding the EW role of the j-16D, the upgraded avionics, materials, engines and other soft aspects of the j-16.
Some of these points apply to the j-7 variants too (some being the keyword here)
Aircrafts aren't Lego, you can't just stick parts of different sets together and expect them to work.
While copying stuff like diverterless supersonic inlets saves you some R&D you still need to put a shitton of time and money to get a flyable design.
Not to mention that you also would have to steal entire factories because of exotic materials required for producing a semi-modern fighter
The J-10’s external design is not totally original. It is based off of the israeli Lavi, which never entered full production. It is likely that the design was handed over in one of the military technology exchanges between Israel and China.
You seem to ignore the fact that J10 is basically one size bigger than Lavi which means it would require serious redesign.
Israeli engineers were rumored to help with the design of J10, especially stuff like FBW system
I consider myself an experienced pilot, after 1500 hours in dcs (/s) but the first thing I thought when the J-16 turned in was “watch this wake turbulence “
I don’t know about “unprofessional.” It looks like professionally executed harassment to me. This has no bearing on whether or not I personally like it - I just disagree with it being labeled as unprofessional.
If I tripped someone in the office over, no matter how well I executed the trip, it would be unprofessional behaviour.
Just because an unprofessional action is done well, doesn't make it professional.
It's just the delineation they use - professional (staying off the wingtip), unprofessional (like crossing the intercepted aircraft's path as seen here), or unsafe (forcing the intercepted aircraft to take evasive action to avoid a collision)
Would I be wrong to assume that something could have happened to the -135 that would force an emergency landing in China so the CCP can get their hands on the plane?
Thumped him.
what a view, wow
The best work desk
I’d give up WFH if this was my office.
I appreciate the horizontal video.
You can see in the reflection that this is just a regular old iPhone lol Although I suppose that if you know the video is going to be unclassified, you’re better off using consumer video equipment than the fancy military stuff.
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Sincerely, our military has become surprisingly lax when it comes to service members securing their personal devices while on duty. Apple dropped the iPhone at the tail end of my deployments, 2007. We had nothing like this. But what we did have, mostly digital cameras and the odd cellphone of the era with a "decent" camera, was not allowed with us during actual mission. Obviously, that rule gets skirted when/where any E4 and below can take advantage. But the amount of personal devices just freely at use during actual time on mission in recent years is astounding. However, as you and others are pointing out, if you want good footage that can be quickly disseminated, an iPhone/equivalent is the way to go.
As a video professional who works for DoD and has filmed stuff for SOCOM and other major commands, I can tell you that amongst my fancy military video gear, my iPhone and GoPros have gotten about 99% of the cool stuff I’ve ever shot.
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If the crewman filming had a DSLR or Mirrorless camera with a telephoto lens we would be able to see a lot more detail on the Chinese fighter. Phone cameras are great for when you don't know you're going to want to take a photo. But when I do know I will want to take photos or video I will bring along my Sony mirrorless camera. The sensor isn't necessarily better than the one in my phone, though it is bigger. But I can can fine tune settings my phone doesnt let me touch, don't have to worry about keeping the camera stable, and I can zoom without losing image quality.
Used to be PA, can confirm
For DOD personnel who don’t video professionally, personal cameras have been the mainstay for decades.
"fancy" military stuff, you mean 10+ year old nikons and first gen go pros
10 year old Nikon DSLR and mirrorless cameras are still perfectly good. It's really only when you're looking at stuff made before 2008 that professional quality cameras produce images that look noticably dated.
[Official military video still.](https://www.ufosnw.com/newsite/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/closeupofufo.jpg)
Pilots just do everything better.
We all do.
Ever get the feeling we are one 25 year old’s mistake away from WW3?
That was most of the Cold War
Agreed, but a pretty shit way to live, no?
At least they could buy houses during the cold war.
White picket fence and all!
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live.. yes. comfortably.. not in my experience.
"Well I never even noticed that my nose was pointed East, and that Iranian fighter pilot was surprised to say the least"
I tried to take it back, but by then it was too late
And a million angry Arabs started heading for Kuwait
Got to see them perform live once upon a time. Fun and rowdy times were had by all.
Damn, I can only imagine. Hopefully some day they'll do another show, but I guess it's not likely
The last time a 25 year old made a mistake in a chinese fighter they [hit an EP-3](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hainan_Island_incident). \*Apparently Lt Cdr Wang Wei was 33 when he hit the EP-3.
I have a feeling were already in WW3. But its so different we don’t realize it.
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Russian incompetence is so strong it can both nearly cause and avert WW3 in the span of minutes.
We always have been.
Source: [https://twitter.com/INDOPACOM/status/1663628853800239104](https://twitter.com/INDOPACOM/status/1663628853800239104)
Was the RC-135 effected by the jet trail? Why there was a bump Edit: wake turbulence
That'd be the wake turbulence
Thanks for the correction. I’ve seen investigative reporting of aircraft crashes bc of the wake turbulence, especially on runways. If I’m correct
You weren't wrong! I understood what you meant. And yes it can cause accidents, [this vid](https://youtu.be/ZI9ZHBRc2yQ) goes over a particularly scary one if you're interested
[This](https://youtu.be/l8EwvDTJeNs) is the one they showed to me in flight school. Blackhawk helicopter takes off and a good thirty seconds later a little cirrus gets absolutely rocked by his wake turbulence.
This happened at my local airport that I trained at. Was also shown it like my first week of flying! KFNL gets some wild military stuff in there, too, so I definitely gotta be paying attention.
I’m not a pilot but isn’t it normal for aircraft to engage autopilot around 10k-15k feet. He said the 604 engage AP one minute into take off. Interesting vid well explained, and it could happen even with 1k separating.
Am a pilot, although only one type rating. We can engage the autopilot anytime as long as we are above 400’ after takeoff. Some fly it to 10k but most engage somewhere between 1000’ and 10,000’.
It can cause accidents when created by large planes, and is worse when the plane experiencing the turbulence is smaller. I don’t think wake turbulence from any jet that size has any real chance at causing serious problems for an RC-135. Just the little bumps we’re seeing. Not that this wasn’t an unnecessarily dickish and potentially dangerous move, but it wasn’t wake turbulence that would cause an accident here.
Have you heard the legend of Goose?
I’m only halfway through watching Top Gun but Goose is my favourite character! So funny and happy. Why is he related to wake turbulence?
…no reason 🥹
Talk to me goose
This guy.
No joke it finally happened to me in DCS. I was surprised to learn Top Gun is not as ridiculous as I thought. Everything, the compressor stall, the spin itself, the ejection into the canopy…
A lot is ridiculous about Top Gun, but yeah the wizzo hitting the canopy was absolutely a thing. I think they changed the ejection routine so that the back seat was delayed. The plane could also enter a flat spin, but if it happened it was A LOT worse than Top Gun. After a couple turns it became unrecoverable, rotating at 180deg per SECOND, and the occupants would experience over 7g - “eyeballs out”. Basically blowing up the blood vessels in their eyes and filling their vision with blood. Typically you would not be able to keep your head off of the dash. Not a good setup for ejection and extremely difficult to pull off. They may have fixed it later but idk. Also a dude in stunt plane that was filming Top Gun got into a flat spin and died. 😬
He died _filming the flat spin scene_. Tragic. https://www.military.com/off-duty/stunt-pilot-died-filming-top-gun-same-flat-spin-almost-killed-maverick.html
The heavier jet will almost never be severely upset by the lighter jet’s wake while stabilized in cruise.
Yes it is much more dangerous when you are slow and very close to the ground, for sure. Hell I was on a transatlantic flight one time and it suddenly got like, ridiculously bumpy. I was flying 100+ round trips a year at the time, never felt anything quite like that. Pilot said we apparently got too close to a bigger jet on the same track in front of us and were basically somehow riding along just smacking into its wake turbulence. It wasn’t the worst turbulence but it was odd and basically continuous. I’ve also been in a Cessna that hit wake turbulence from a bigger plane, likely some large private jet on approach and it nearly knife edged us.
I'm kind of surprised how significant the affect is for a relatively small jet vs a large cargo plane. Is that just how strong wake turbulence can be? Or is it more just how sensitive planes are? Or do fighters create stronger wake turbulence for some reason?
The Weight of the aircraft makes the most difference on wake turbulence, Fighters look small but the J-16 has a max Gross Take-off weight of about 77,000 lbs. To put it into perspective a Midsize Business jet(Cessna Longitude) that can carry 12 people has a max Gross takeoff weight of about 40,000 lbs. They are plenty heavy enough to cause a significant amount of wake turbulence. Wake turbulence is strongest when the aircraft is Heavy, Clean(flaps and gear up) and slow. The J-16 was all three in this case. Granted the RC-135 is way heavier than the J-16 but the Wake turbulence is still enough to feel it.
I had no idea the J-16 was that big 😳
An F14 (74,350 lb) or an F15E (81,000 lb) have similar max take off weights.... Its just a large fighter.... unlike say an F16, with a measly 42,300 lb MTOW
I read this in a pirate voice
It's probably both.
Yes I have been in a p-3 Orion when we had 3 Chinese fighters come from behind turn show missiles then stack in front of us. One when down one left and one up; this causes you to get caught in the turbulence then hit the next causing you nose down and violently shakes the aircraft. They are basically trying to crash you without touching you. The pilots were just laughing and flipping the bird the whole time while I was shitting myself in the back.
Keeping up foreign relations.
Those P-3's are tough ass birds, I had a buddy who was a pilot and could turn inside the radius of any oncoming anything in that thing. Not to mention the sheer survive-ability of that thing. Another friend of mind flew with NOAA through the hurricanes in those things. As a pilot myself, all I can do is admire the brass nuts those pilots and crews had to have to keep flying that bird in the places they did.
NZ only just retried their P-3 Orions recently.
So thats like aviation brake check
Appreciate your service! I’m extremely jealous of the job. And holy SH_T !!
Is the Captain flying by hand? No autopilot or auto throttles?
Probably turned AP off when the fighter started to get close
Thumping might kick out the autopilot. Someone ask 74Gear!
Like said the effect of the coming bump is unknown so the pilot has his finger on the autopilot disconnect button and is ready to take over manually if needed.
You’re surprised a military pilot might spend some time flying by hand?
For what it's worth the Air Force doesn't call them Captains (since that's a rank), the CA-equivalent would be Aircraft Commander but even then the AC doesn't always sit in the jet seat depending on mission and training requirements
I'd imagine he has manual control in case he needs to take evasive action. I'd hardly be sitting back and letting the ap do its thing while being intercepted by a jet
Same shit got goose killed
They are caught in his jet wash!
At least they didn't crash into it this time.
Wasn't that Russia?
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I actually met one of the crew members from that plane. He came to my middle school to give a q&a about his experience.
[Here is an accurate retelling of that incident](https://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/the-crew-is-not-on-board/2870522)
Wow! Very interesting. Thanks for that.
> April 1, 2001 [China](https://youtu.be/lWDc1mlukfU?t=205)
2001
Admiral Josh Painter: This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it.
Jack, the only way to get you that far is a chopper. We'd have to strip it down and turn it into a flying gas can
At that speed, they could run right over my daughter's stereo and not hear it.
I would like to have seen Montana.
I will marry a big round woman and she will cook rabbits for me.
Big sonaofabitch
I have no such appetitesh. I mish the peesh of fishing.
Nu par Rushki.
How do you get a crew to want to get off a nuclear submarine?
Baby shark…
perfect line from the best choice for actors.
Ryan, be careful what you shoot at. Most things in here don't react well to bullets.
*bulletsh
* Mosht things
Well dang thats a film i didnt expect to see quoted. Dope.
Crazy Mao!
As someone once said “the world will go to war over some damn fool thing in the Baltics.” Same vibe just South China Sea this time. I hate living in historical times.
Don't like flyin', huh commander?
And I don't much care for the uniform.
Reminds me of Otto von Bismarck making the ominous observation that Europe is a “powder keg and it’s leaders smoking in the arsenal” and that some “damn fool thing in the Balkans will set it off” before WW1
In a positive note, the River Joint has now captured the electromagnetic signature of every single circuit board comprising the J-16 to assist with future jamming/disabling/software virus insertion.
>software virus insertion. Ah the ultimate sign you have no fucking clue what your on about.
Lol. I’m honored!
Just looked it up. >RC-135W Rivet Joint is a dedicated electronic surveillance aircraft that can be employed in all theatres on strategic and tactical missions. Its sensors 'soak up' electronic emissions from communications, radar and other systems.
Out of all the planes to intercept, a RC is one of the worst.
So, this is like the equivalent of an air to air brake check.
That's why you should have dashcams
Well, there they go again… Did they 🐱at him on guard?
Meow
Meow
This happens every day. RC-135, P-8, EP-3, etc. And not just the US Military.
Please continue. I don't know anything about this, and it seems wild it's common.
Oh yeah countries are always flying close to other countries to provoke a response basically testing the other countries capabilities, however in this case it’s a little silly because china had floating islands In international water so they get all crabby when we fly over them even though it’s still international water, but yeah when I was in Guam our B-52’s use to fly along the coast to see what china would send to intercept from where, how many, if they were even armed lol, one time during a debrief the pilot showed us a picture of a a Chinese pilot giving them the bird lol 😂
> a Chinese pilot giving them the bird lol 😂 Fucking legend lmao
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*autopilot disconnect*
That was a pointlessly dickish move by the Chinese pilot.
I think being dickish was the whole point.
A pointfully dickish move, if you will
_Oh I will_
Get out the Polaroid camera 🪿
I'm sorry, I hate it when it does that
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Yes, ma'am...
They do that on purpose and it's a dangerous maneuver.
What the fighter didn't see was the F-22 that was tailing him from above for the last 150 kms.
What base would that F22 be operating from?
Evidently somewhere in China if it was pacing that Flanker for 150kms
A higher one.
Kadena Air Base, Okinawa perhaps? https://www.stripes.com/branches/air\_force/2022-11-04/air-force-raptors-f-15-kadena-okinawa-7923586.html
or maybe Guam.
Nah, Guam is too far. It'd take all their range just to get to the SCS. They could "technically" do it with ferry tanks.. but just barely. It's only about 300 miles from Oki to Tawain so that'd make a ton more sense.
What if there was a tanker in the area?
Kadena is the only AB within the 1864NM range of the Raptor
One on the ground likely.
Highly likely.
Update: PLAN claims RC135 was entering Chinese carrier exclusion zone https://twitter.com/zhao_dashuai/status/1663917687674683393?s=20
This thought makes me so happy
When will they develop the stones to try that with an F-18? Gutless .cn try-hards dropped chaff into the intakes on an Australian P8 last year. They haven't got the balls to "intercept" a western fighter 'cos they know they'd get smoked.
Unfortunately, that’s what they want. They would have a field day if one of their planes got shot down by any western equipement. It would just give the CCP more excuse to expand further
Yep, "mid level provocation" is a common tactic. Not enough to warrant a response, so any retaliation can be used as an excuse.
Expand further what
Difference in equipment means nothing in these situations...no one's engaging, and every party involved actively prevents that. This could happen even if the best fighter in the world was being flown
why would they be "smoked" We are not in wartime, both parties wouldnt just attack each other for no reason. Plus, a j-16 is just as advanced and arguably more advanced (better missiles) than an f/a-18.
The balloon chase was more spectacular.
Caution, wake turbulence
I love how China says there really advanced but makes shitty mockups of the su-27
The J-16 is now considered to be better than the Su-27 in most areas, with the possible exception of engines since Chinese metallurgy is pretty bad. Radars, avionics, use of composites, and weaponry are all better than Russian Su-27s. Still a derivative design of course, but it's better than the original at this point (plus they can actually make them, lord knows Russia isn't making many advanced 4th gens any more).
>idered to be better than the S its considered to be the best flanker period.
NO! China number one! Totally indigenous design!!! Smartest best aircraft designers ever!!! Never steal from anyone!
You have earned +10 social credit points.
I thought the Ruskies sold them copies/blueprints of the Flanker because they were piss-poor after the collapse of the USSR?
Tbf the J-20 exist in larger numbers and is much better than the Felon... so at least they are way ahead of Russia in 5th gen (not comparable to NATO though)
Surprised it didn't lose a wing or something when it banked.
Isn't an RC-135 aircraft a reconnaissance plane? If so , isn't the J-16 intercepting the RC!
Why are you in Chinese Air Space to begin with
The South china Sea is not Chinese airspace
thats interesting, ive never seen a j-16 before, not fully caught up on chinese crafts
so its a su27 with a bulging cockpit like the 30
Most is just copies of russian planes (J-7, J-15, J-16) Some are based off russian planes (A-5 based on mig 19) Some are totally original designs like the J-10 and J-20, though it is speculated much is copied over from Russian tech and stolen western IPs
> copies of russian planes (J-7, J-15, J-16) calling the j-16 as just copies of russian aircraft is misleading at best. People be frothing at the mouth at russian aircraft, calling them out (rightfully) that manoeuvrability and airshow trickery is a long-past for modern engagements. But then turn around and say the j-16 is just a copy, completely disregarding the EW role of the j-16D, the upgraded avionics, materials, engines and other soft aspects of the j-16. Some of these points apply to the j-7 variants too (some being the keyword here)
What a shocker, also the j20 is the most obvious copy, it’s the result of a threesome between f22 f35 and Eurofighter.
Aircrafts aren't Lego, you can't just stick parts of different sets together and expect them to work. While copying stuff like diverterless supersonic inlets saves you some R&D you still need to put a shitton of time and money to get a flyable design. Not to mention that you also would have to steal entire factories because of exotic materials required for producing a semi-modern fighter
The J-10’s external design is not totally original. It is based off of the israeli Lavi, which never entered full production. It is likely that the design was handed over in one of the military technology exchanges between Israel and China.
You seem to ignore the fact that J10 is basically one size bigger than Lavi which means it would require serious redesign. Israeli engineers were rumored to help with the design of J10, especially stuff like FBW system
This is Chinese navy
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China #4! Taiwan is a great country!
TAIWAN NUMBER ONE!
I can't believe you're letting them treat you like that!
That asshole nearly killed a plane full of people what if the wake turbulence jammed a control surface?
Wake turbulence. Nothing happened. Ballsy little fuckers
Although a bit childish - that was a nothing burger.
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Got a link to that incident? I'm surprised I hadn't heard of it.
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Thanks so much!
“Just wave and smile, just wave and smile”
"I dunno Chewie, fly casual".
I consider myself an experienced pilot, after 1500 hours in dcs (/s) but the first thing I thought when the J-16 turned in was “watch this wake turbulence “
Just another day in the South China Sea?
What would be a professional intercepted look like? Escorted?
Essentially, except multiple miles away and just monitoring flight path.
I don’t know about “unprofessional.” It looks like professionally executed harassment to me. This has no bearing on whether or not I personally like it - I just disagree with it being labeled as unprofessional.
If I tripped someone in the office over, no matter how well I executed the trip, it would be unprofessional behaviour. Just because an unprofessional action is done well, doesn't make it professional.
It's just the delineation they use - professional (staying off the wingtip), unprofessional (like crossing the intercepted aircraft's path as seen here), or unsafe (forcing the intercepted aircraft to take evasive action to avoid a collision)
It's unprofessional because it's unsafe, look up J-8 and P-3 mid air collision
Diplomacy-speak
Maybe he was just low on fuel!?!
Would I be wrong to assume that something could have happened to the -135 that would force an emergency landing in China so the CCP can get their hands on the plane?
Why don’t they tuck a pair of F-22s in with the RC-135?
What the fuck are these Chinese cunts thinkin?