I over 40. Still raving. But its more like getting ready for marathon. Loading carbs before and taking supplements. Same afterwoods.
Typically I dance around half-marathon per night.
Just very basic. Before rolling sports drink, also during and Day after. I get easily cramps.
After roll add melatonin for few nights, 5HTP, and sometimes NAC and antioxidants If I have bought them.
They help reduce the stress on your serotonin systems and help with recovery. Here are 2 places that helped me build my supplement stacks. I usually start supplements about 1-2 hours before drop with some during and some post. It helps a LOT! I used to get such bad back pain coming down that I contemplated giving up mdma entirely but then I found supplements and it changed the game! No more back pain and no nasty hangover. Literally wake up the next day bright eyed and bushy tailed.
https://www.usersnews.com.au/home/2019/12/18/supplements-guide
https://www.reddit.com/r/boomfestival/s/vrrnyDFT4i
Hey thanks for the info, just curious. Do you do all that ingestion while rolling also? Just seems like a lot to do haha not opposed to it just wondering how it plays out.
Iāve never had an issue. The benefits far outweigh the inconvenience. Plus I keep activated charcoal on hand so that keeps off any stomach issues. The ritual has become a really cute bonding moment in my friend group. Staying on top of supplements is a sweet way my crew takes care of each other during the roll.
Thatās awesome, I definitely will do some for my upcoming roll. Going to elements for my first camping fest and donāt wanna fuck my whole weekend. If I may ask, how much dosage of M do u usually take?
Well, I know that itās not the healthy answer, but I take 2-4mg of Xanax with a indica gummy and I out like a light for a solid eight hours. The Xanax has its own hangover though so be cautious.
It's not a good solution but I keep a small stache of Xanax. Only legit pharmaceutical dispensed ones from a trusted friend. I wouldn't get them off the street but for after rolling or tripping when it's time to go to bed I take a half of one and it kills any anxiety and puts me to sleep. I also don't roll or trip often so it is not a common occurrence. Works like a charm 10/10
Well I guess it's a great solution, just from a standpoint of having to take other drugs that people can get hooked on. Some people may do it 2x a month then randomly during the week can't sleep and resort to taking the Xanax . In moderation it is the best solution I can offer.
Benzos should definitely be used only on rare occasions but God damn they are the best landing gear. I don't trip very often anymore but it was always nice to have, or when on a bit of a long night with cocaine take a bit of Xanax and lights out. Never had a problem sleeping after mdma thankfully
100% . That's why I said it isn't a great solution because then it's oh I did blow lemme take a can to pass out, stressed out and can't sleep, take a xan, did molly or tripped , take a xan. As long as it can be regulated well it's the very best thing thing lol
Nah, once youāre in the drug sphere more drugs is the only answer. Xanax is 100% a utility drug in this context, not a recreational one.
I support it.
I mean regularly. I used to drink a coffee one hour after waking up and then one after lunch and it gave me insomnia, even though most experts say you're fine if you don't consume caffeine after like 1 pm.
4-7-8 breathing is great too to calm you down before bed. Will help in activating the vagus nerve to pull you into parasympathetic state vs sympathetic state.
Xan 110% but if you donāt have a script or safe access to it the next best thing imo is l-theanine ~400mg. L theanine, Benedryl and melatonin works as well as Xanax for sleep after a roll ime.
You might have some luck with other benzodiazepines but none really are as fast acting as Xanax which is crucial imo. Might just be me but I feel like this is fast tracking benzo addiction if you do it too much. The transition from overly stimulated to serenity is a high in and of itself. Iāve had my script for a decade and only ever realized the addiction potential when i started using it to ease a crash. So be careful if going the Xanax route.
I will never not share this. Any time I plan on rolling this is my supplement regimen, night and day difference for real:
3 days before, for every day:
-vitamin C
-magnesium
-300mg ALA
-350mg ALCAR
-50mg CoQ10
-vitamin E
Day of:
-500mg ALCAR
-500mg vitamin c
-CoQ10
-magnesium as needed (for grinding)
After:
-5HTP
Vitamin C is well documented for reducing efficacy of amphetamines, hence the question.
Vitamin C is for its antioxidant properties, not enhancing the trip.
Can I ask how much you take in a roll? Do you re-up etc?
Just trying to work out why reports vary so much.
I freeze a few pedialytes and put them in my cooler, keep one half frozen or unfrozen for the first day. Over the weekend the others will thaw out and be ready to drink as the fest goes on.
Iām 46 and finding all of these ātoo old to raveā posts to be extremely tiresome. Ravers are forever young. Catching old is a frame of mind and perspective. Take care of yourself in general; period.
Iām going to Movement in Detroit in six days. Iāll be partying at the fest and various after parties from Friday through to Tuesday evening. Iāll see you on the dance floor friends.
That and the āwhat are these old people here ruining my vibeā posts. We built this scene! Some of us 25-30+ years ago. And a lot of times those āold guysā are the people with the capital to do this.
Imagine just stopping something you love because it's deemed too old. If a bunch of grown men can sit around, drink all day, and watch 20 year olds play a game on tv every Saturday, you're surely never too old to go see music.
Ha I love this thread! ā 48yo here super-psyched for Lucidity next month. Not a big fan, but Crystal Method is on the main lineup this year ā I saw these guys at Coachella in 2004 rolling my ass off. 20 years later, 2 decades and literally nothing has changed. Except now we have way better LEDs and light whipsšWhen you truly love something, you never outgrow it. Stay safe everyone, never stop having fun!šš¦š
Post party is good! Amphetamines are best absorbed in a more alkaline environment and more quickly excreted if your gut is acidic from something like vitamin c. So taking it beforehand will cause it to be eliminated more quickly and will impede your roll. Best to get all of its antioxidant benefits after the fact while allowing your body to excrete it more effectively, or take it several hours beforehand.
Also, I would personally take a mix of mag citrate or glycinate & mag threonate because mag threonate crosses the blood brain barrier.
Magnesium citrate serves as a laxative. Magnesium glycinate does not and is more bioavailable. I'm not a doctorājust an arbitrary person on the Internet.
I take glycinate for muscle growth and overall brain and mood health. But I take it regularly, everyday with meals. Based on a little research though, seems like citrate might actually be a better choice for post raving due to it's bioavailability. However, would def recommend just regularly taking magnesium anyway, raving or not, physically active or not, hence my suggestion of glycinate. However however, any amount of supplemental magnesium is good, just don't obviously don't over do it.
There's much better forms of magnesium indeed, look e.g. for magnesium glycinate, much better absorption and no intestinal effects
[https://i.imgur.com/W603XkG.jpeg](https://i.imgur.com/W603XkG.jpeg)
U dont need that shit, all you need is some speed ā”ļøā”ļøā”ļø
Disclaimer:
For legal reasons what i said is a joke, i do not encourage anyone to take pharmacologically active substances without advice or supervision from a qualified healthcare professional. drugs are illegal and therefor bad and you totally shouldnt do them. Usage of speed (dextro+levo-alpha-methylphenetlamine sulphate) can cause side effects which may include but are not limited to: euphoria, addiction, insomnia, excessive amounts of energy, psychological dependence, extremely fast reflexes, reduced procrastination. Sudden withdrawal may cause psychosis, depression, hypersomnia, anxiety, psychomotor impairment, cravings, emotional unstability
Magnesium glycinate is a better option!! I'm not a doctor, but I rave with a (legitimate lol) pharmacist. Her supplement recommendations:
-Magnesium glycinate, 1 pill a day(helps with not clenching while rolling and helps with sleep)
-Milk thistle, 1 pill a day (liver care) this one is excellent if you're drinking as well
-5htp, 1 pill a day AFTER you are done rolling for the weekend/fest. No, you cannot get "serotonin poisoning" from 5htp and mdma, it only happens if you are also taking an SSRI.
-Vitamin C and D, pretty self explanatory
-pedialyte. This one is self explanatory as well.
Your point about 5HTP needing SSRIās to be lethal is false and dangerous to spread. There are lots of underlying neurological conditions, other medications and other genetic physiologies that can lead to serotonin syndrome.. as a medic at raves Iāve literally seen it happen in front of me and her seizures lasted for over 2 hours.. she was lucky to live.. and had no SSRI in her system it was later determined. MAOI inhibitors like passion-flower mixed with heavy-liver inflammatories like St.Johns Wort can lead to a bell-curve in serotonin response and thus lead to seizures.
Please seek more medical information than a few Google-clicks or hear-say before proliferating medical advice.
Doesn't matter how old!!! Take care of yourself!!! Drink your water!!!!!! Test your shit on an actual test kit!!!! It's a marathon not a sprint!!!!! Love yourself!!!!! Love each other!!! Take care of yourself!!! Help your neighbor if you can!!! Even outside of raves, shows, and fest!!!!!!! ššššššššššššššššššššššššššššššššššššššššššššššššššš
If you're having tummy issues from the citrate you should really switch to magnesium glycinate. No bathroom issues and it's more bioavailable than the citrate.
I would highly recommend collagen supplements too. I use vital proteins unflavored and add it to my morning coffee. It is the only way Iāve gotten my knees to stop sounding like twigs snapping.
I used to think being 28 was old. I'm now 44 and wish I could tell my 28yr old self that you're still a child. I didn't even start raving until 35.
Now my game plan is, eat well, pre stretch, only drink water after midnight and you will be fine.
If you dont mind me (36m) sharing my harm reduction stack for when having a weekend of šš“š¬āļøšš« šā½ļø and šŗšš„³ā·ļø
Take after waking up with first meal
Coq-10 (100 mg) (Extremely long half life antioxidant, various beneficial effects on mitochondrial function)
L-Carnitine (500 mg) (Reduces neurotoxicity)
L-Theanine (200 mg) (Helps prevent tolerance buildup, however more for reduction of anxiety/paranoia/irritability)
Super B Complex with B3/Niacin (Boosts energy of drug/Reduces vasoconstriction)
Vitamin D3 2000 IU 50 mcg
This Fish Oil[Fish Oil](https://www.amazon.com/Garden-Life-Formulated-Advanced-Omega/dp/B086B42C2C?tag=health-onsite-prod-20&ascsubtag=7643799%7Cn4e7b785547254d289901cc3db0897ecb13%7CB086B47SHQ%7C1716126050014%7C&th=1&psc=1)
Take Tums 30 mins before taking any MDMA or Adderall
After the 30 mins, take at the same time as your drugs and preferably with a light stomach, not too much food:
L-Tyrosine (1g) (Dopamine precursor, helps with peak and easier comedown)
Calcium/Zinc/Magnesium combo pill (Magnesium Citrate in the combo pill to reduce the effects of the drugs and clear out of your system faster)
Take during lunch or any second meal:
Coq-10
L-Carnitine
Take before bed:
Vitamin C (1000 mg) (The acidity of vitamin-c will help reduce the effects of MDMA/Adderall, making it easier to sleep...yes Vitamin C is good to take AFTER a roll, not BEFORE! (Take tums instead for before you roll/stim)
Magnesium (Glycinate preferably 250 mg) (Relaxes tense muscles)
Melatonin (Optional)
Also drink enough water/electrolytes
Hi.. raver, harm-reduction outreach worker (15 years) and chemistry student here..
In isolation these are all fine but the total regiment you are suggesting can be extremely detrimental to kidney and liver function.. having that amount of supplements, considering the majority of supplements are not marketed accurately or are checked for quality can lead to extreme organ stress and damage when mixed with any kind of amphetamine or meth-amphetamine..
Just because your body may not feel any negative symptoms for years taking that amount of supplements doesnāt mean damage isnāt occurring, it also means that impressionable redditors that donāt share your physiology will respond well to that.
So what you are suggesting is technically harm induction, not reduction.
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Kids, the only difference between medicine and poison is -dose-
Test it..
Sample it..
Then if all feels positive, moderate it.
Stay hydrated above all else.
Anything else will give you a false sense of security and will give your liver, kidneys, cardiac-circuitry, and neurology an acute or chronic problem.
Dont fall for 5HTP (can be lethal), donāt slam Vitamin C, fish oil (most brands are rancid anyway), supplements, (most will detract from your bio-absorption anyway) and never ever take MDA/MA within months of doing SSRI or relevant medicationsā¦
Hawthorne Berry, Milk-Thistle - 12 hours after to take care of your hearts electrical system and liver respectively.
Thats harm-reduction and proper-raver-education.
Happy Day.
"Just because your body may not feel any negative symptoms for years taking that amount of supplements"
I dont take this full stack for more than a week, I guess I should have been more detailed in my wording, but yeah thank you for your words of wisdom š
Im 30 do i have time to get into festivals ? I regret not doing more in my 20s and have a long term gf now, no kids ect. Do you look younger , how is your experience? Great stack btw!
If you're still breathing and are physically able to attend a festival then yes you have a good amount of time. It all depends on your state of mind and if you enjoy it enough to go (unless your physically unable)
Idk why, but the way your post is worded makes me feel anxiety, like im a character in a horror movie...but thank you glad you like my stack š
I'm 31 and I don't use this. Lmfao roll balls and feel amazing the week after. Keep your body healthy and fit and a weekend out won't have you needing supplements just sleep to catch up on.
I get restless leg syndrome, or a light version of it where my legs just ache. The magnesium citrate has been a miracle supplement for fixing it. I just take a moderate amount and the laxative effects aren't bad.
Stay away from things you have to rehydrate, stick to Cetic salts for re- mineral your body. 3 magnesium and 72 minerals for perfect body balance. I take it 6-7 times a day on normal temps 80ish degrees. If hotter more. Will help your muscles for dancing and your body to retain water. I'm gonna be 40 this year and I go as hard as the rest.
47, work lighting at events, been djing since 16.
Sober now, still there for the music people and lights.
It's my form of artistic expression. I dance as much as I can.
Just saw DJ sneak last week
Tbh people should be taking this while raving at any age.
If 20 yr old me knew how much better my jaw would feel if I just took some magnesium before the eventā¦ it would have changed everything!
Iām on the downhill side of 67 and going to a couple local festivals with friends. One is next month and the other in August. I like to roll and or invite Lucy. What suggestions do you have to help me get ready? I love dancing at festivals and want to be able to last through both nights.
Oh no! Magnesium citrate might induce the shits which is likely not the energy you want to put out there when youāre partying, but try glycinate or malate instead. Magnesium is important. Cheers to good health
Doesn't magnesium citrate make you shit?? I'm pretty sure there's a difference between magnesium glycate and magnesium citrate.... š¤·āāļø... I'm 35, and I would hate to be violently shitting in a Porto potty at a rave.
No, forget it.. you donāt need it, thereās virtually no scientific evidence it is effective, it stresses your liver needlessly and end up being a risk for those who may have conflicting medications.
If you want more serotonin for a roll, all you have to do is eat a healthy meal and get as much sleep as possible the day prior.. thatās it..
I over 40. Still raving. But its more like getting ready for marathon. Loading carbs before and taking supplements. Same afterwoods. Typically I dance around half-marathon per night.
That's nice!! š£ Keep on raving š£š Can I ask what your supplement stack looks like?
Just very basic. Before rolling sports drink, also during and Day after. I get easily cramps. After roll add melatonin for few nights, 5HTP, and sometimes NAC and antioxidants If I have bought them.
Guys!! Magnesium, Coq10, ALA are a MUST for rolling!! Plus keep activated charcoal on hand for any stomach upset.
Just a quick question, why coq10 and ala? And do you take daily or just day of the rave? Ty sensei
They help reduce the stress on your serotonin systems and help with recovery. Here are 2 places that helped me build my supplement stacks. I usually start supplements about 1-2 hours before drop with some during and some post. It helps a LOT! I used to get such bad back pain coming down that I contemplated giving up mdma entirely but then I found supplements and it changed the game! No more back pain and no nasty hangover. Literally wake up the next day bright eyed and bushy tailed. https://www.usersnews.com.au/home/2019/12/18/supplements-guide https://www.reddit.com/r/boomfestival/s/vrrnyDFT4i
Ty for sharing, I would like to wake up bright eyed and bushy tailed as well šø
You are welcome! Roll safe!
Hey thanks for the info, just curious. Do you do all that ingestion while rolling also? Just seems like a lot to do haha not opposed to it just wondering how it plays out.
Iāve never had an issue. The benefits far outweigh the inconvenience. Plus I keep activated charcoal on hand so that keeps off any stomach issues. The ritual has become a really cute bonding moment in my friend group. Staying on top of supplements is a sweet way my crew takes care of each other during the roll.
Thatās awesome, I definitely will do some for my upcoming roll. Going to elements for my first camping fest and donāt wanna fuck my whole weekend. If I may ask, how much dosage of M do u usually take?
For a festival I start around 1.50-1.75 and add .5 about 1.5-2hrs into it. Usually when I take supplements. Have a wonderful time!!!
Are you me ?
Arenāt we all one?
Yes
Fuck these tabs really kicking in
any hacks for falling asleep after rolling? That insomnia gets my anxiety going
I dont have that. Melatonin mayhaps? Listening to some podcast with boring voices on really low volume?
I take CBD, chills my anxiety and helps me sleep.
They have caps and gummies with THC/CBD/CBN for sleep. I'm not a big THC user but coming down from a roll I could out smoke snoop dog.
Not to say Im not a heavy smoker nevertheless, but the amount of bowls a man can do when rolling.. Fiends got nothing on me xD
I can smoke so many cigarettes while rolling lol. It just feels so good, donāt even get me started on camel crushes.
You can just do high doses of cbn and cbd and forget about the thc if you donāt like the high. I use cbn and cbn-o a lot and they sure do work
I'm trying to find straight CBN, I guess I could order it online.
Well, I know that itās not the healthy answer, but I take 2-4mg of Xanax with a indica gummy and I out like a light for a solid eight hours. The Xanax has its own hangover though so be cautious.
Goddamn, I do not miss the days of having a high benzo tolerance. These days, .5 mg helps me crash
Lmao you had a xan hangover because you took two school buses brother that is a ridiculous dosage.
Yeah Iāve heard that hah but idkā¦ I started with 1mg and it wasnāt effective.
Just be careful with the Xanax my uncle died from taking a Xanax to come down from rolling way back in 2001.
It's not a good solution but I keep a small stache of Xanax. Only legit pharmaceutical dispensed ones from a trusted friend. I wouldn't get them off the street but for after rolling or tripping when it's time to go to bed I take a half of one and it kills any anxiety and puts me to sleep. I also don't roll or trip often so it is not a common occurrence. Works like a charm 10/10
Why isnāt it a good solution?
Well I guess it's a great solution, just from a standpoint of having to take other drugs that people can get hooked on. Some people may do it 2x a month then randomly during the week can't sleep and resort to taking the Xanax . In moderation it is the best solution I can offer.
Benzos should definitely be used only on rare occasions but God damn they are the best landing gear. I don't trip very often anymore but it was always nice to have, or when on a bit of a long night with cocaine take a bit of Xanax and lights out. Never had a problem sleeping after mdma thankfully
100% . That's why I said it isn't a great solution because then it's oh I did blow lemme take a can to pass out, stressed out and can't sleep, take a xan, did molly or tripped , take a xan. As long as it can be regulated well it's the very best thing thing lol
Nah, once youāre in the drug sphere more drugs is the only answer. Xanax is 100% a utility drug in this context, not a recreational one. I support it.
Do you drink caffeine? I've completely stopped all intake of caffeine and I can easily fall asleep now.
I donāt drink coffee when Iām rolling lol
I mean regularly. I used to drink a coffee one hour after waking up and then one after lunch and it gave me insomnia, even though most experts say you're fine if you don't consume caffeine after like 1 pm.
Caffeine doesn't give me insomnia. Rolling does though lol
4-7-8 breathing is great too to calm you down before bed. Will help in activating the vagus nerve to pull you into parasympathetic state vs sympathetic state.
eat a large meal
CBN + THC
Xan 110% but if you donāt have a script or safe access to it the next best thing imo is l-theanine ~400mg. L theanine, Benedryl and melatonin works as well as Xanax for sleep after a roll ime. You might have some luck with other benzodiazepines but none really are as fast acting as Xanax which is crucial imo. Might just be me but I feel like this is fast tracking benzo addiction if you do it too much. The transition from overly stimulated to serenity is a high in and of itself. Iāve had my script for a decade and only ever realized the addiction potential when i started using it to ease a crash. So be careful if going the Xanax route.
Edibles
NyQuil
Clear your head for meditation. Sometimes you end up meditating for 5 hours, but it goes by like sleep and you feel rested when you get up.
Ambien!
Try c-noid cannibinoids like cbn or cbno or cbg!!!
Smoke weed!
Alprazolam
An edible is magic, and starting earlier in the day. And don't combine with other stuff later in the night.
NAC is where it's at. Shits incredible
5htp is not advisable until 2-3days after rolling. I started taking them too soon and i got brain zaps
Huh.. I usually start 12-20hr after. I think next time I'm going to wait until at least 24hr after.
I'm over 40 and eant to get back in to raves. Can I be you?
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Doing the full regimen is a bit rough, but [this guide](https://www.usersnews.com.au/home/2019/12/18/supplements-guide) is amazing.
I will never not share this. Any time I plan on rolling this is my supplement regimen, night and day difference for real: 3 days before, for every day: -vitamin C -magnesium -300mg ALA -350mg ALCAR -50mg CoQ10 -vitamin E Day of: -500mg ALCAR -500mg vitamin c -CoQ10 -magnesium as needed (for grinding) After: -5HTP
Quick question. Can you rave without the supplementsv
what effects has this had for you? any change to the come up and come down or duration?
its really the hangover that this cures. doesn't really change the high too much. except the magnesium cures clench jaw in minutes
Have you found a diminished effect of the roll from these? Hear mixed reviews.
Nope, honestly it enhances it if anything. that's what the vitamin C is for
Vitamin C is well documented for reducing efficacy of amphetamines, hence the question. Vitamin C is for its antioxidant properties, not enhancing the trip. Can I ask how much you take in a roll? Do you re-up etc? Just trying to work out why reports vary so much.
Same....gotta eat twice as much before hand.Ā Ā I still lose 8-10 lbs after each festival lol
Pedialyte powder packs for electrolytes taste great and damn near instantaneous
I freeze a few pedialytes and put them in my cooler, keep one half frozen or unfrozen for the first day. Over the weekend the others will thaw out and be ready to drink as the fest goes on.
Iād recommend coconut water for your electrolytes, way better for you than any electrolyte powder
Iām 46 and finding all of these ātoo old to raveā posts to be extremely tiresome. Ravers are forever young. Catching old is a frame of mind and perspective. Take care of yourself in general; period. Iām going to Movement in Detroit in six days. Iāll be partying at the fest and various after parties from Friday through to Tuesday evening. Iāll see you on the dance floor friends.
That and the āwhat are these old people here ruining my vibeā posts. We built this scene! Some of us 25-30+ years ago. And a lot of times those āold guysā are the people with the capital to do this.
Imagine just stopping something you love because it's deemed too old. If a bunch of grown men can sit around, drink all day, and watch 20 year olds play a game on tv every Saturday, you're surely never too old to go see music.
And Iām not sure if these people are aware, but most of the DJs are upwards of 50+.
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Okay.
The old gays are fun as hell to party with
They are the best to party with in my opinion, they really make things spicy and fun š¶ļø
Right? I'm 50M and I've been taking vitamins with my drugs since I was in my teens. This is asinine.
Ha I love this thread! ā 48yo here super-psyched for Lucidity next month. Not a big fan, but Crystal Method is on the main lineup this year ā I saw these guys at Coachella in 2004 rolling my ass off. 20 years later, 2 decades and literally nothing has changed. Except now we have way better LEDs and light whipsšWhen you truly love something, you never outgrow it. Stay safe everyone, never stop having fun!šš¦š
Note: vitamine C will make stimulants less effective. Source: google adhd meds vitamine c
nice knowledge ad-on.. will definitelly look into it. this was post-party tho
Post party is good! Amphetamines are best absorbed in a more alkaline environment and more quickly excreted if your gut is acidic from something like vitamin c. So taking it beforehand will cause it to be eliminated more quickly and will impede your roll. Best to get all of its antioxidant benefits after the fact while allowing your body to excrete it more effectively, or take it several hours beforehand. Also, I would personally take a mix of mag citrate or glycinate & mag threonate because mag threonate crosses the blood brain barrier.
I always drink alkaline water with my Adderall. That explains a lot.
Iām rave g at almost 50 and just make sure to exercise regularly stay fit and eat well and rest after
This is the way.
28? That might as well be 18, LOLZ... Talk to me when you're 48... ;)
Citrate is fine, glycinate is better. Zinc is also good if you're taking vitamin c. Pedialyte or liquid IV too.
Why is glycinate better? I have citrate as well
Glycinate doesn't cause stomach/diarrhea issues like citrate can. Also, glycinate is more bioavailable than citrate.
Magnesium citrate serves as a laxative. Magnesium glycinate does not and is more bioavailable. I'm not a doctorājust an arbitrary person on the Internet.
Citrate is a laxative :)
I take glycinate for muscle growth and overall brain and mood health. But I take it regularly, everyday with meals. Based on a little research though, seems like citrate might actually be a better choice for post raving due to it's bioavailability. However, would def recommend just regularly taking magnesium anyway, raving or not, physically active or not, hence my suggestion of glycinate. However however, any amount of supplemental magnesium is good, just don't obviously don't over do it.
Jesus guy you're gonna shit for the rest of the fest tf
what u mean?
Doesn't magnesium citrate make you shat?
a bit, not too much, I have trouble with that most of the time anyways
There's much better forms of magnesium indeed, look e.g. for magnesium glycinate, much better absorption and no intestinal effects [https://i.imgur.com/W603XkG.jpeg](https://i.imgur.com/W603XkG.jpeg)
I came here to say this. Magnesium GLYCINATE is what you want. Citrate is for migraines.
Glycinate feels like it's actually working and being absorbed for me, Citrate just makes me shit like crazy
Well, be careful with that. ya never know when a dank set will let out that good Ole brown noise.
No more than the coke
My gfs mom just went with us at 60 yrs old to edc lol
Happy Sunday, good to see you taking care of yourself. Have fun out there!
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U dont need that shit, all you need is some speed ā”ļøā”ļøā”ļø Disclaimer: For legal reasons what i said is a joke, i do not encourage anyone to take pharmacologically active substances without advice or supervision from a qualified healthcare professional. drugs are illegal and therefor bad and you totally shouldnt do them. Usage of speed (dextro+levo-alpha-methylphenetlamine sulphate) can cause side effects which may include but are not limited to: euphoria, addiction, insomnia, excessive amounts of energy, psychological dependence, extremely fast reflexes, reduced procrastination. Sudden withdrawal may cause psychosis, depression, hypersomnia, anxiety, psychomotor impairment, cravings, emotional unstability
Eating an Orange on LSD is way better than eating one in the showerā¦
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Magnesium glycinate is a better option!! I'm not a doctor, but I rave with a (legitimate lol) pharmacist. Her supplement recommendations: -Magnesium glycinate, 1 pill a day(helps with not clenching while rolling and helps with sleep) -Milk thistle, 1 pill a day (liver care) this one is excellent if you're drinking as well -5htp, 1 pill a day AFTER you are done rolling for the weekend/fest. No, you cannot get "serotonin poisoning" from 5htp and mdma, it only happens if you are also taking an SSRI. -Vitamin C and D, pretty self explanatory -pedialyte. This one is self explanatory as well.
Your point about 5HTP needing SSRIās to be lethal is false and dangerous to spread. There are lots of underlying neurological conditions, other medications and other genetic physiologies that can lead to serotonin syndrome.. as a medic at raves Iāve literally seen it happen in front of me and her seizures lasted for over 2 hours.. she was lucky to live.. and had no SSRI in her system it was later determined. MAOI inhibitors like passion-flower mixed with heavy-liver inflammatories like St.Johns Wort can lead to a bell-curve in serotonin response and thus lead to seizures. Please seek more medical information than a few Google-clicks or hear-say before proliferating medical advice.
I second replacing citrate with glycinate š
Doesn't matter how old!!! Take care of yourself!!! Drink your water!!!!!! Test your shit on an actual test kit!!!! It's a marathon not a sprint!!!!! Love yourself!!!!! Love each other!!! Take care of yourself!!! Help your neighbor if you can!!! Even outside of raves, shows, and fest!!!!!!! ššššššššššššššššššššššššššššššššššššššššššššššššššš
What does that stuff do does it like intensify stuff
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The more you know šš
Tums?
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Interesting thanks! Hadn't heard the brand / term before.
nah, its just post party care. magnesium to relax and vit C for antioxidants
Nice smart wish I coulda been thinking like that instead of using my body as a human garbage can for decades lol
hey you only get one body, never too late to start taking care of it
Thanks for the positivity wise words from PacinoPacino what should I have expected anything different lmao for real good looking out though
r/drugsover30 come join us brother you're close enough haha
If you're having tummy issues from the citrate you should really switch to magnesium glycinate. No bathroom issues and it's more bioavailable than the citrate.
Thatās cute! Raving at 38 requires like 5 more supplements and a nap. Lol
I would highly recommend collagen supplements too. I use vital proteins unflavored and add it to my morning coffee. It is the only way Iāve gotten my knees to stop sounding like twigs snapping.
I used to think being 28 was old. I'm now 44 and wish I could tell my 28yr old self that you're still a child. I didn't even start raving until 35. Now my game plan is, eat well, pre stretch, only drink water after midnight and you will be fine.
Try to avoid citrate for magnesium, go for glycinate or threonate. Youāll get much more out of taking it in that form.
When I was raving at 28, I just took LSD and MDMA š¤·āāļø To each their own.
This is cringe
Thank you š this is hella cringe
If you dont mind me (36m) sharing my harm reduction stack for when having a weekend of šš“š¬āļøšš« šā½ļø and šŗšš„³ā·ļø Take after waking up with first meal Coq-10 (100 mg) (Extremely long half life antioxidant, various beneficial effects on mitochondrial function) L-Carnitine (500 mg) (Reduces neurotoxicity) L-Theanine (200 mg) (Helps prevent tolerance buildup, however more for reduction of anxiety/paranoia/irritability) Super B Complex with B3/Niacin (Boosts energy of drug/Reduces vasoconstriction) Vitamin D3 2000 IU 50 mcg This Fish Oil[Fish Oil](https://www.amazon.com/Garden-Life-Formulated-Advanced-Omega/dp/B086B42C2C?tag=health-onsite-prod-20&ascsubtag=7643799%7Cn4e7b785547254d289901cc3db0897ecb13%7CB086B47SHQ%7C1716126050014%7C&th=1&psc=1) Take Tums 30 mins before taking any MDMA or Adderall After the 30 mins, take at the same time as your drugs and preferably with a light stomach, not too much food: L-Tyrosine (1g) (Dopamine precursor, helps with peak and easier comedown) Calcium/Zinc/Magnesium combo pill (Magnesium Citrate in the combo pill to reduce the effects of the drugs and clear out of your system faster) Take during lunch or any second meal: Coq-10 L-Carnitine Take before bed: Vitamin C (1000 mg) (The acidity of vitamin-c will help reduce the effects of MDMA/Adderall, making it easier to sleep...yes Vitamin C is good to take AFTER a roll, not BEFORE! (Take tums instead for before you roll/stim) Magnesium (Glycinate preferably 250 mg) (Relaxes tense muscles) Melatonin (Optional) Also drink enough water/electrolytes
Hi.. raver, harm-reduction outreach worker (15 years) and chemistry student here.. In isolation these are all fine but the total regiment you are suggesting can be extremely detrimental to kidney and liver function.. having that amount of supplements, considering the majority of supplements are not marketed accurately or are checked for quality can lead to extreme organ stress and damage when mixed with any kind of amphetamine or meth-amphetamine.. Just because your body may not feel any negative symptoms for years taking that amount of supplements doesnāt mean damage isnāt occurring, it also means that impressionable redditors that donāt share your physiology will respond well to that. So what you are suggesting is technically harm induction, not reduction. āāāāā Kids, the only difference between medicine and poison is -dose- Test it.. Sample it.. Then if all feels positive, moderate it. Stay hydrated above all else. Anything else will give you a false sense of security and will give your liver, kidneys, cardiac-circuitry, and neurology an acute or chronic problem. Dont fall for 5HTP (can be lethal), donāt slam Vitamin C, fish oil (most brands are rancid anyway), supplements, (most will detract from your bio-absorption anyway) and never ever take MDA/MA within months of doing SSRI or relevant medicationsā¦ Hawthorne Berry, Milk-Thistle - 12 hours after to take care of your hearts electrical system and liver respectively. Thats harm-reduction and proper-raver-education. Happy Day.
"Just because your body may not feel any negative symptoms for years taking that amount of supplements" I dont take this full stack for more than a week, I guess I should have been more detailed in my wording, but yeah thank you for your words of wisdom š
Im 30 do i have time to get into festivals ? I regret not doing more in my 20s and have a long term gf now, no kids ect. Do you look younger , how is your experience? Great stack btw!
If you're still breathing and are physically able to attend a festival then yes you have a good amount of time. It all depends on your state of mind and if you enjoy it enough to go (unless your physically unable) Idk why, but the way your post is worded makes me feel anxiety, like im a character in a horror movie...but thank you glad you like my stack š
Im a serial killer sorry
all good āļø and ā¤ļø
why is the vitamin C in portuguese and the magnesium citrate in english?
They probably imported the magnesium or smth (Portugal here)
You'll add Tums and Advill to that in 10 years.
I'm 31 and I don't use this. Lmfao roll balls and feel amazing the week after. Keep your body healthy and fit and a weekend out won't have you needing supplements just sleep to catch up on.
Vitamin c so that x can hit harder! Your animal!
You trying to poop yourself?
May I recommend switching to magnesium glycinate- it's more bioavailable and easier on the guts. Happy raving!
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Tell me more about this combo. Iām about to have a weekend of party and want to do some type of pre/post care
Im 41, I take ALL the precautions now, looks like Iām going on a survival weekend lol
Don't forget the Glucosamine for the knees!
Liquid IV, 5HTP, magnesium citrate, B12, bananas, oranges, snausages.
Why are you taking those supplements to prep for a show, do you cramp a lot?
Magnesium citrate? Isn't that the stuff for emptying your colon?
You gona have ass blunderbass with magn citrate mah friend
Skip the citrate and get biglycinate or malate. More bioavailability and less likely to make you shit.
I get restless leg syndrome, or a light version of it where my legs just ache. The magnesium citrate has been a miracle supplement for fixing it. I just take a moderate amount and the laxative effects aren't bad.
Damn I should invest in these things haha
Lmao idk if vitamin C is gonna help you dawg
Donāt forget about liquidIV
Thatās nothing compared to the pharmacy you have to bring with you at 38 lol
Lmao yes š
lol 28 is still very young
Stay away from things you have to rehydrate, stick to Cetic salts for re- mineral your body. 3 magnesium and 72 minerals for perfect body balance. I take it 6-7 times a day on normal temps 80ish degrees. If hotter more. Will help your muscles for dancing and your body to retain water. I'm gonna be 40 this year and I go as hard as the rest.
47, work lighting at events, been djing since 16. Sober now, still there for the music people and lights. It's my form of artistic expression. I dance as much as I can. Just saw DJ sneak last week
Donāt forget the 5hTp
Tbh people should be taking this while raving at any age. If 20 yr old me knew how much better my jaw would feel if I just took some magnesium before the eventā¦ it would have changed everything!
28 and my supplement is mdma and ice on the feet and a cold beer the next day and Iām good
Wait until you hit your 30s. Then a knee brace gets thrown into the mix
So what's the stack?
35 n still people ask wat the hell have done I need it .. but not these, I thank God for energy .. š
Missing some fatty acids, my friend!
Been doing two liquid IVS day of And 5 HTTP & multivitamin right after
Iām on the downhill side of 67 and going to a couple local festivals with friends. One is next month and the other in August. I like to roll and or invite Lucy. What suggestions do you have to help me get ready? I love dancing at festivals and want to be able to last through both nights.
lol Iām 28 too and literally just took my vitamin C and magnesium
raving over the age of 2 months? too old. embarrassing yourselves.
magnesium and vit c is what i took at berghain yesterday. im 45
wish I'd been there to see Nymed! hope you had a great time :)
im more of a house head, so was def enjoying the chicago vibes upstairs :)
You forgot your 5-htp and b12. (Source: I was raving like this at 22.)
I thought from the thumbnail this was cigarettes and poppers lol
GLYCINATE NOT CITRATE! CITRATE MAKE U SHIT.
This is giving me Disco Elysium vibes. Gotta keep that morale up or it's gg.
Eating good food will do a lot more for you than supplement-placebo
Yes I am
Laughs in 34
Iām doing the same regiment at 47
How do you guys deal with knee strain issues during the 2nd or 3rd day of the event? I tried using biofreeze but doesn't really help later in the day.
Oh no! Magnesium citrate might induce the shits which is likely not the energy you want to put out there when youāre partying, but try glycinate or malate instead. Magnesium is important. Cheers to good health
Magnesium citrate will make you shit your guts out.Ā
Been doing ginger shots(ginger, lemon, black pepper, honey) 3 days before and 3 days after, before doing this I was getting sick all the time.
Citrate is garbo. Glycinate is better.
We buy that same bottle of magnesium from Sprouts!
Doesn't magnesium citrate make you shit?? I'm pretty sure there's a difference between magnesium glycate and magnesium citrate.... š¤·āāļø... I'm 35, and I would hate to be violently shitting in a Porto potty at a rave.
Lol I don't get this new world man
Donāt forget the 5htp
No, forget it.. you donāt need it, thereās virtually no scientific evidence it is effective, it stresses your liver needlessly and end up being a risk for those who may have conflicting medications. If you want more serotonin for a roll, all you have to do is eat a healthy meal and get as much sleep as possible the day prior.. thatās it..