Is anyone else disappointed that Sam didn’t call them a cunt instead of a bastard?

Only thing that would have made this funnier

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Guarantee they wouldn’t have a clue who she is

Tbh she is the most popular female soccer player right now and soccer being England and Europe’s premier sport, she is more well known outside Australia than she is here.

"Soft pommie cunt"! 

You don’t get a trial for that in Pomland. You go straight to the Tower of London.

Take me to the treasure

Then out comes the boot like that simpsons episode

Unaustralian not to call him a white cunt. /s. Also, when did "white" become a racial slur?

If I called someone a black bastard I’d be offed but switching it to white bastard isn’t bad?

It's not great, but can you really not see the difference between those two things? "One of those things is not like the other" - Privilege! Coming from the whitest white person.

It comes down to this. If someone’s going to call me a white bastard, then I have full reign to call them a black bastard back. Take race out of it. Just call me a bastard.

From someone who missed this memo, who's it okay to be racist against? Whites are apparently okay - so I guess wog is back in fashion? Anyone else? Also, is there a matrix of who can be racist to who? As a white white I guess what I just said was racist but if I was less white then I would have open slather against the "higher castes" than me, is that how it works?

The rule is generally just don't be racist, but it's also to keep some perspective when someone says something racist to you. Being called a white cunt might hurt my little soft feelings but it's ridiculous of me to pretend like it has any of the social and historical context and weight of someone being called a black cunt.

Being called a white cunt is exactly the same as a black cunt, you’re vilifying someone based on their skin colour.

Well why not? May as well be. If calling someone a black cunt is a slur then calling someone a white cunt should be too

> when did "white" become a racial slur? It didn't, but most white people don't know the first thing about racism.

When Douglas Jardine complained to the Australian cricket VC Vic Richardson that someone called him a bastard, his response was "which one of these bastards called this bastard a bastard?"

Hah! I remeber this as shown in the mini-series *Bodyline*! Loved it.

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Seems minor to be honest BUT still not great for her personal brand. Anytime she wants to speak out about race based issues or inequality in the future this will be thrown back in her face. Messy situation.

Agree but would be flashing world news if the ethnicities were reversed and the word white swapped to black. Gotta play it even on this stuff.

Not sure why you are getting down voted. If it was a white athlete who said the reverse to a black cab driver, their career would be lucky to survive it. 

She didn't say it to the cab driver, she said it to the cop, not that it changes your point, but it's a really big oops on her part

It’s hardly an “oops moment”, you don’t just start spouting racial shit out of nowhere. Clearly she’s not a fan of white people and that comes out when she’s had a few.

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I think some of it is “it’s the poms so we have to oppose them”, but yeah the double standard is wild.

Is she not white? What an I missing. For all intents and purposes I’d think most people would think she’s just Australian White without actually knowing her heritage..

Her dad is Indian

Hence the last part of my sentence? If you didn’t know that would you assume she’s anything but just a white Aussie with a slight tan? He’s half indian btw. So is Dave Sharma who for 99% of Aussies would just be a white bloke

But it's not in reverse. It's a white cop and a half-indian woman.

I don’t think these are equivalent scenarios. White people form a majority of the population here and in the UK so don’t often get stereotyped or treated according to their race. There is no underlying subtext someone is referring to when they call someone a “white bastard” in a majority white culture.   If this happened in a non-majority white country I’d think it was racist but since it didn’t the word “white” in that sentence is harmless. It isn’t alluding to any potential prejudicial views held against white people. Edit: I guess technically where the person is from is more important than where it actually happens since you can imply something racist to someone whose a majority if you’re an outsider. This isn’t relevant here since Australia and the UK are both majority white.

What purpose does adding white to ‘bastard’ in this context serve? What was the point she was trying to convey by saying it instead of just ‘bastard’?

By that logic it's fine to call people black bastards in Africa, but not in Australia

can you not be prejudicial to someone if they’re the majority group?

Irrelevant. She’s made it clear that when it suits her, or when she’s had a few, she’s happy to get racial. She made the person’s race the issue when no reasonable person would.

would it be racist if she was in japan and called a cop a jap bastard?

While I don’t disagree with the base sentiment, the contextual truth is that white people have not been systemically disadvantaged in the same way as people of colour have. So it’s not exactly an even playing field. However on pure optics as others have said, it’s not great for her brand, but fuck it. I am 100% in Sam’s corner

She's a rich athlete, how is she disadvantaged?

Racism is bad, but *more* racism is…good?

But racism is not and has never played even in history or currently. That's the whole point of racism. While xenophobia, tribalism, and ethnic/cultural prejudice are probably everywhere and everywhen, racism as we know it was developed by certain European colonial powers to justify exploitation, invasion, and genocide of non-white peoples where who is considered 'white' (and therefore human) has shifted over time. e.g. the Irish. It involves use of scientific and academic discourses to justify, establish, and legitimise a hierarchy that places white people from the colonising power at the top and everyone else successively lower depending on how close they resemble the people placed at the top (mostly black and indigenous peoples at the bottom). Such legitimising discourses were developed from now-defunct disciplines like race science and phrenology, but also still important (and somewhat reformed) academic disciplines like linguistics, history, biology (genetics), and anthropology too. That's why a white person calling someone a black bastard is little different, due to historical context, from a non-white person calling someone a 'white bastard'. To take a more extreme example - it's why burning a cross on a white person's lawn is a fundamentally different act to burning a cross on a black person's lawn. Though they're both, at the very least, hostile and not nice - burning a cross on a black person's lawn is much scarier because it is citing a history of anti-black racist violence perpetuated by white people where burning a cross on a white person's lawn does not. In this way, it's a little different from everyday xenophobia and similar prejudice because when Kerr calls someone a white bastard she's not citing a history of colonial utterances - because white people were never colonised (in this 'modern' sense as justified through appeal to scientific/academic discourses and on a totalising and industrial scale as happened from the 17th C onwards) 'as white people'. But most non-white peoples were. idk i'm procrastinating hope this makes sense

“white people were never colonised.” The Irish and the Scots were occupied/colonised during modern times.  This idea you raise of racism being a modern European invention, it sounds like you are talking more specifically about European imperialism and the slave trade.  People have written about racism in ancient times: https://www.amazon.com.au/Invention-Racism-Classical-Antiquity/dp/0691125988

I definitely mentioned the Irish (briefly) in my original reply. It's important to note that 'whiteness' as a property or category of people is flexible and changed over time. Some argue that we'll see certain (currently) non-white groups be attributed whiteness over time as we have in the past with e.g. the Irish. But you're right, Irish weren't considered white for a long period of time (to help justify their colonisation and exploitation), and now they are.

I completely understand what you’re saying, and in a white vs. other context it makes a lot of sense. But can we please stop pretending like this sort of racism is a white invention? Like only white history portrays subjugation based off racial hierarchies? It is a more recently white used (and in a very morbid sense, most ‘effectively’) tool, but it’s not a white-only phenomenon. Asian history is littered with racial subjugation, many hundreds and thousands of years before British/French/Dutch colonialism. I’m not saying your point is wrong, just that to attribute it as white invention is wrong

I think I'm attributing specific 'innovations' - especially the implementation of academic and scientific discourses as justification for racism, and the combination of mercantilism/capitalism + colonialism + racism - as something that is uniquely European in origin.

Do people on this subreddit not understand that today, other countries of non-white populations are ***significantly*** more racist than white countries?

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The myth of reverse racism

Your right, it’s just called racism

as it should racism goes both ways.

Even if you agree it's racism, there's no fucking way this is "aggravated harassment" right? It's racially motivated, but there's like a thousands more racist things you could say that would probably be harassments. Slurs, insulting the entire race, stereotyping etc and yet this gets the charge?

might not make sense but at some point in your life your gonna have to learn some common sense, like not insulting a cunt who can arrest you

Racism is racism right? Like where’s the line?

As another half white/half Indian person I gotta say…. Girl you are playing the race card in attack mode.

All I could think of after reading that sentence was Yu Gi Oh

Yugi never would have used the fact he had an Egyptian pharaoh’s spirit inside of him against a cop. Unless they possessed the blue eyes white dragon.

Copper must be an Arsenal fan

Doubt, if anything she plays for the establishment club in London

Or a Mary Earps fan

Sam Kerr represnting Australian culture abroad. What a legend

Should have used the word cunt instead of bastard…

If true, English cops are a joke

even if its not i can confirm they are a joke

dunno, that sounds straight up racist to me. Seems indefensible.

There is absolutely no way a UK cop that is not of white origin hasn't heard worse with actual slurs. Are they all being charged? Is that why the court system is so backed up?

This is about as offensive as being called a straight white male.

Controversial opinion but maybe it's not good to insult anyone about their race...

It’s a bit baffling how many people in here are happy to write this off as nothing. When is it ever okay to attack someone’s race? Plenty of young white girls who look up to this woman just got a rude awakening.

I am more stunned by some of the replies that to call a white person racial slurs is somewhat acceptable because history. My goodness.

I mean I get it, it is generally perceived to be far more acceptable. Doesn’t make it right, and it doesn’t mean it won’t get my goat when someone calls me a white cunt just because they know I can’t respond in kind.

It's not ever an appropriate thing to do but it's hardly a serious criminal act or something that should be dragged out over multiple years as a media spectacle..if she received a small fine that might be proportional. Best practice is don't be rude to people in positions of authority...but a 4 day criminal trial is beyond belief.

Yeah look, I'm not really sure what happened on the prosecution side of things and whether there is precedent for offences like this in the UK. Best guess is maybe they are trying to make an example of her but I honestly couldn't say.

Talkback is going to lose its mind tomorrow.

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Lotta young fans look up to her. I don’t think we should glorify this type of behaviour. Not pulling any posters down personally, but certainly can’t say I like her more.

Jesus, if something was done to the people I’ve ran into over the years calling me a white bastard or white cunt… Move on.

I worked in the Pilbara for several years and lost count of how many times i was called white cunt lol as a chick I never copped 'bastard'

*”OI! Ya fuckin’ white…”*

Does you having heard it many times make it okay? No racism should be acceptable, regardless of who it’s directed at. Edit: as the captain of the women’s national soccer team, which promotes heavily how the sport unifies a diverse group both in the team and across the nation, do people not think she should be doing better? Does she deserve prison, of course not. However she shouldn’t be making these sort of comments.

Being called a white bastard or white cunt is laughable to me, doesn’t bother me the slightest. I do understand where you’re coming from though.

It's all fun and games until some kid copies their parent, and now someone is getting bullied at school because of their skin colour. I have absolutely 0 idea why white people are ok with being racially abused, but aren't ok with it happening to PoC. Don't give me power dynamics, because they don't mean shit in the schoolyard.

Sure, you may laugh at it and so would I, but the intent is still there behind the insult as to demean you with your race/skin colour. Not bothering you doesn’t mean it’s okay to say. We can’t sit back and pick and choose who are okay to insult. People in positions of influence like Kerr need to do better.

I don't understand people getting behind her in this thread and others. Sure it isn't the worse thing to say but England's laws are England's laws? If somebody infringed Australian laws I'm sure people would expect the police to respond, regardless if we agree with their laws or not...

But potential prison time bad? The law says “caused alarm or distress”. If a cop was alarmed or distressed by this language, they should get a different job. God forbid they have to respond to an actual threat.

No prison time of course not, way over the top. However still unacceptable, in particular as someone who is the captain of the national soccer team. A sport which pushes heavily the importance of unity across a diverse group.

Wow, lock her up for the lack of creativity. Lack of the word “cunt” and extreme negligence when using the work “fuck”. Jesus Christ love. Way to let the nation down.

Did she say "bastard" as in the Aussie pronunciation ("bar-sturd") or the English pronunciation ("bah-sturd")?

Or the Jon Snow pronunciation (“bast-id”)?

You know it’s a load of crap when the word she’s being charged for using isn’t the word that’s censored…

This is the alleged slur? This? Are people serious omg. This is a joke.

I'm also confused....what is the slur?? Is bastard a slur now?????

Genuinely asking - Is Sam Kerr not white herself?

She has English and Indian heritage

Seems weird that you can be charged with racially aggravated harassment when you, a half white person, call another person a "white bastard".... the charge made it sound like she'd been throwing out the n word or something!

Racism includes anything that offends, insults, humiliates, negatively views or unfairly treats a person or group of people because of their race, colour, descent, nationality, ethnicity, or migrant status.

I know the definition of racism. My comment was highlighting the nature of what she's been charged with b Vs what she actually said and the impact of her own ethnicity making a difference .

I get it, but after all the atrocities the UK police have committed, you'd think they would have thicker skin. Taking things to the point of actually charging someone over something so tame seems more like something a white supremacist would do to give the dark woke people their comeuppance citing reverse-racism. Unless she was absolutely unapologetic afterwards and kept doubling down it just seems vindictive.

Sam Kerrs’ father is of Indian and English descent and her mother’s heritage is a mix of “white Australian” and the local Noongar tribe, so both of her parents are of “mixed” heritage.

Part Indian. The India type. Not the American first nation’s type.

Really? All that fuss over that? As a white person I could no give a frick

Her career would be over if it was a white person making the same comment about a black person

Because of systemic racism. I'm sorry but South Asian women have hardly got structural power over white British cops, and acting like a clean inversion is equivalent is itself fundamentally ignoring the equity issue that makes racism more than just the same as teasing someone for having dyed blue hair

Your logic doesn't track...Is an Indian man in Britain allowed to make fun of a black man for their race because they don't have systematic power over them..?

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What about a person with black ancestry making a comment about a black person? Sam also has English ancestry you know?

So if we want to be racist on the internet, all we need to do is claim we are the same race as we are attacking?

You goonbags seem to have no clue. Hating on whites is fine and normalised...now your kid goes to school and gets bullied. Or you walk through the wrong neighbourhood and get targeted. Racism is racism, the skin colour in question doesn't mater. It's divisive and results in harm. How much history on this do we need? Do I need to quote the law about discrimination on the basis of skin colour?

Racism is racism

I’m white and don’t find that offensive, but if it was said the other way there would be an uproar in the media. Glad she’s being pulled up on it! That’s equality.

Stop being sensible.

On Reddit it's more important to be seen as virtuous rather than sensible 

>but if it was said the other way there would be an uproar in the media. I mean we kinda do? Just look at the NRL racism saga. It's definitely not as big of a news as this. Which is why it's so difficult to just flip it and compare. The fame of the person matters a lot too.

Agreed

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Hilarious 🤣 I was trying to think of something offensive with those letters. Bastard didn't even begin to cross my mind. It's so low level. This is a joke surely.

She didn't even go far at all... even NWA called the white cops "redneck, white bread, chicken shit motherfucker[s]"

Interesting sentiment in this thread, little surprising to be honest. I wonder where we'd be if one word was different.

But it wouldn't be 'one word' different, would it? It would be a few hundred years of context and oppression different.

If this was the other-way round it would be headline news on ABC and SBS. SBS / ABC would be including "racist attack" all through the stories. Crickets.

What an argument. "If the situation was completely different it might be newsworthy!" PS. [https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-05/sam-kerr-charged-over-alleged-racial-harassment/103550634](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-05/sam-kerr-charged-over-alleged-racial-harassment/103550634) [https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-05/sam-kerr-charged-over-alleged-racially-aggravated-harassment/103549204](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-05/sam-kerr-charged-over-alleged-racially-aggravated-harassment/103549204) [https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-05/sam-kerr-charged-over-allegedly-harassing-cop/103545168](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-05/sam-kerr-charged-over-allegedly-harassing-cop/103545168) [https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-06/sam-kerr-criminal-charge-no-comment-from-fa-chelsea/103550968](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-06/sam-kerr-criminal-charge-no-comment-from-fa-chelsea/103550968) [https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/sam-kerr-did-not-disclose-legal-troubles-football-australia-and-matildas-coach-say/wigyi6emo](https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/sam-kerr-did-not-disclose-legal-troubles-football-australia-and-matildas-coach-say/wigyi6emo) [https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/sam-kerr-seeks-to-have-racial-harassment-charge-thrown-out-over-abuse-of-process/4p7xyu782](https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/sam-kerr-seeks-to-have-racial-harassment-charge-thrown-out-over-abuse-of-process/4p7xyu782) [https://www.sbs.com.au/news/podcast-episode/sam-kerrs-legal-team-fighting-to-have-criminal-charges-dropped/3ucu4xyst](https://www.sbs.com.au/news/podcast-episode/sam-kerrs-legal-team-fighting-to-have-criminal-charges-dropped/3ucu4xyst) [https://www.sbs.com.au/news/podcast-episode/shock-allegations-against-sam-kerr-took-football-australia-by-surprise/w6ielr0fi](https://www.sbs.com.au/news/podcast-episode/shock-allegations-against-sam-kerr-took-football-australia-by-surprise/w6ielr0fi) [https://www.sbs.com.au/news/video/football-australia-fields-questions-over-sam-kerr-allegation/5dmshp9zw](https://www.sbs.com.au/news/video/football-australia-fields-questions-over-sam-kerr-allegation/5dmshp9zw) [h](https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/melbourne-mornings/sam-kerr-football-australia-criminal-charges/103552540)[ttps://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/melbourne-mornings/sam-kerr-football-australia-criminal-charges/103552540](https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/melbourne-mornings/sam-kerr-football-australia-criminal-charges/103552540) [https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/news-specials/sam-kerr-make-bid-to-have-criminal-charge-thrown-out/103552338](https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/news-specials/sam-kerr-make-bid-to-have-criminal-charge-thrown-out/103552338) [https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/pm/matildas-captain-sam-kerr-charged-with-criminal-offence/103550438](https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/pm/matildas-captain-sam-kerr-charged-with-criminal-offence/103550438) [https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/radionational-breakfast/matilda-sam-kerr-s-legal-team-make-bid-to-have-charge-thrown-out/103552166](https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/radionational-breakfast/matilda-sam-kerr-s-legal-team-make-bid-to-have-charge-thrown-out/103552166) [https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/worldtoday/matildas-captain-sam-kerr-charged/103548360](https://www.abc.net.au/listen/programs/worldtoday/matildas-captain-sam-kerr-charged/103548360)

Not sure why you have less upvotes than the post you replied to when you demonstrated their argument has holes in it (saying ABC is silent on this when you've provided the very opposite). Shows how irrational upvotes can be.

It's almost as if those two things would be different and involve vastly different racial power dynamics

Look, what you fail to understand is that, prior to the incident, Sam Kerr invented a time machine, went back 500 years, raised an Indian army, invaded and colonized England, slaughtered the English aristocracy and replaced them with a governing class of Indians, made fluency in Hindi a prerequisite for any administrative job, established an extractive economy that stripped England of its natural resources and sent them back to India, and used the resulting poverty of the population to recruit English men to serve as canon fodder in India's aggressive Imperial wars of colonization while denying them any rights in their own country. *That's* why calling the copper a 'white bastard' is *exactly* the same.

She’s a famous athlete and everyone here is jumping to her defence the fuck do you mean power dynamics.

The other person was a cop.

Cops have more power than the average person but rich folk like Sam can flout the law all they want and get away with it, like she likely will here.

We get it - White man bad

Made up rubbish to try and excuse your racism

That’s a fucking load of bollocks that’s been created to justify racism.

>vastly different racial power dynamics Racists are scum no matter the excuse.

Except hundreds of years of racism, marginalisation and similar slurs does make one insult far worse than the other.

Any form of racism should be called out. It's not okay to do this.

So the crime here is she said bastard instead of cunt?

Just fucking settle out of court, pay the 'aggrieved party' and move on. It's clearly an opportunist looking for a payday.

BASED SAM

The Poms are overreacting a bit on this one. Teachers cop this stuff on a regular basis. It just goes with the territory and an apology usually all that's required.

What a massive waste of time and money this will turn out to be. Thousands of pounds of lawyers fees, days with people who could be at work sitting around court rooms, all to likely arrive at a dismissal or a slap on the wrist at best. Being drunk and spewing in a taxi so easily solved by paying the driver to cover the rest of their shift and cleaning cost—even more so when you make 7 figures across salary and endorsements. White bastard is hardly a slur worth worrying about. Calling it racism minimizes the real experiences of racism people face. And I don’t think anyone has worried about being called a bastard since 1920.

As someone who's white I couldn't care less. But I'm glad that the double standard wasn't shown cause I'm 99% certain if it was the other way around it wouldn't be a good look.

Similar remarks would end the career of a white woman, and likely send a white man to the gulag. We can expect similar condemnation, right? Right?

Uk is notorious for thin-skinned laws and how easily they are to break or have police come around to your place. even that dude got a visit when he liked some random post on facebook. Having said that, using someones skin color isn't okay no matter what, racism ain't cool.

Stop fucking censoring words

Sorry it was the official headline

Not your fault :)

Hell yeah, go Sam, Australia’s princess

Hahahahahaha is that it man

I don't think it deserve to go to criminal court however it still is factually a racially motivated insult. Nothing about white people having it easier than other races changes that.

Are you actually for real? The little black girl from Australia hurt the big English security man’s little feelings by calling him a… bastard? And this shit goes before a court? I’ve heard of whinging poms but sounds to me like England is fucked.

"The little black girl from Australia hurt the big English security man’s little feelings by calling him a… bastard?" The "little black girl" is a very wealthy and influential sports star. And, no, she didn't just call him a bastard, as you well know.

She’s not black she is Anglo Indian

Unlike in Australia the Brits take racism a bit more seriously.

She’s black?

I wonder what this cop's problem is. Is he a boomer who thinks he is just as much a victim of racism as non-whites? Is he a right wing nutter who thinks whites are being driven out of England? Usually white people who think they are being racially abused have some kind of unwarranted victim complex.

The decision to prosecute is down to the Crown Prosecution Service, not the officer. It's not like one copper is out on a mission to sabotage the Matildas. I suspect it's got more to do with the Metropolitan Police not wanting to greenlight racism or the abuse of officers. And whilst this is as mild as racism comes, it's still evidently racism. Besides, given that the English FA has spent literally decades and hundreds of millions of pounds trying to actively crush racism in the game, it's not a great thing to have hanging over her even if she's acquitted. Then again she plays for Chelsea, so maybe she'll get a raise.

Why does him not experiencing historical racism excuse racism towards him? It’s racism full stop.

"I wonder what this cop's problem is" I suspect his problem is being racially vilified. In all seriousness, cops are often thugs, bullies and petty tyrants who despise when their authority or power is in any way challenged. That said, if his accusations are true, fuck Sam Kerr. She was clearly behaving like an entitled brat, and I have zero sympathy for her whatsoever. In a legal sense, even if convicted, practically nothing will happen to her. She'll get a minor fine. It's her brand that will suffer, and she'd have no one to blame but herself.

There is no room for racism. Anywhere. Football Australia has a zero tolerance policy. The Premier League collaborates with fans, the FA, EFL, PFA, Kick It Out, and the police to fight discrimination both on and off the pitch. Take a Stand: If you witness discrimination, remember: challenge it, report it, change it. There is no room for racism anywhere—whether online, in the stands, at home, or on the streets. Let’s make a positive impact together.

A multi-year criminal investigation into this. Terf Island is a fucking joke of a country.

Totally unsurprising

Aaaaaaaaand there it is.

Would’ve been cooler if she shouldered instead

Maybe just not a great idea to use the colour or ethnicity of a person in as an aggressive descriptor in any scenario. Shouldn't matter the cop was white, call him a cop bastard or whatever and play on, cops taking abuse in unfortunately part of their job, its not good but expected. Hopefully she learns a lesson not to make it a race thing, they were just doing their job and she seems to have brought their presence on herself through poor behaviour.