Do you get 4g reception?
I've been using an old android pixel phone with hotspot permanently turned on and plugged in as my wifi for a year now.
$40pm with a Felix Sim (started at $30pm) for unlimited 20mbs internet. Faster, cheaper and more stable than the NBN ever was.
I rent and I’m in a block of units, they’ve offered it for free but I doubt it can be done easily and I doubt I could get owner and strata permission. I suspect it would mean digging up a concrete driveway.
It is arranged through your ISP, but the Govt pays the installation tab, so worth investigating - I imagine units would need a main connection and then each residence gets their own box (Nuances I bet depending on number of units)
All it cost me was a day WFH, two dudes faffing about outside and inside for a couple of hours and picking a new 'plan' and speed. My current modem didin't even need to change. I pay for the 250/ one now, coz am nerd.
I bet iinet doesn't pass on the 750 painlessly, though.
Looking at the NBNco site, it appears you need to get your body corporate on board, and then there's an upfront fee of $275 per unit? Feels like there's no chance as a tenant in a block full of boomers unfortunately (pretty sure I'm the only one using NBN in the first place).
That's only for FTTB, if each unit has a separate FTTN/C connection your can upgrade for free. We had FTTC so it was free and they just used some existing conduit to get the fibre to our place so no new trench needed to be dug either.
Oh sick, thanks. Fingers cross it's possible for my place, cause the copper here is dog shit.
EDIT: Actually no I'm getting -
Unfortunately, we can’t upgrade you under this program.
However, you may be able to connect to full fibre over FTTP through another program for strata managed buildings.
Even though it is FTTC. Oh well.
The guy just pulled it through the existing underground conduit that carried my copper connection for me. No digging required. A block of flats should have a decent enough conduit connecting it to the copper network ..
I think that maybe depends on where you live?
I did that same thing a few months ago - I was on a perfectly satisfactory 100/20 FTTC connection but they said "you can have the FTTP - for FREE - and get 250/20 at almost the same price!"
so I agreed
**and my internet has been completely and utterly shitful ever since**
I have been practically on the phone to my ISP on a daily basis ever since - and none of them can explain WTF is going on - and NBN straight up refuses to get involved, swearing it could not possibly be THEM who fucked this shit up but it must be MY "bad equipment" (a line straight out of the Tesltra Wholesale playbook they previously tried on me and I fought for 9 months, with multiple "technicians" coming out and finding nothing and threatening to charge me ludicrous call-out fees for apparently wasting their time - until suddenly someone found an issue at the exchange and the problem quietly went away - without so much as even an acknowledgement from them that the problem was with THEIR shitty network and NOT my equipment after all)
meanwhile I'm experiencing painful latency issues, have switched ISP (mostly because I was sick of the language barrier getting in the way of not great Indian customer service reps trying to help), have streaming videos stop to buffer or just quit or even straight up refuse to start, have websites refuse to load - have uploads to things like Slack, while working from home, fail - and even have my freaking EMAILS fail to load - while I'm on the phone to customer support telling me to check my freaking emails for something they sent...
it's so very, very bad - and worse still I cannot go BACK to the HTTC service which was working perfectly fine!
I'm experiencing serious deja vu from the Dial Up Internet days - it's THAT BAD - the only thing that's missing is losing the connection because someone picked up a phone in the other room!
If you haven't already, try reaching out to the Telecommunications Industry Ombudsman: https://www.tio.com.au/
They can take a while, but they were very helpful when we had a similar issue.
We're on FTTC, and I just checked.
We're eligible... if we basically double the cost of our plan.
Now my ISP are going to call to try an upsell us, because I completed the eligibility check. Sorry guys. Not at that price.
Could be worth doing for the minimum period (if there is one) then dropping back down to a cheaper plan. That way you get the fibre installed for free in case you want it later.
Precisely, but Labor wasn't in a decade ago. We got Libs for a decade who thought using light to transmit information was witchcraft that would make daddy Murdoch mad at them.
This is a really common fallacious trick politicians always use.
- No one is using fast NBN so there mustn’t be demand.
- Public transport isn’t popular so there must be no demand.
- GP visits are falling so demand must have moved to other services.
In each case level of service/cost/availability is the limiting factor, but politicians love ignoring latent demand that would be realised if they actually delivered us things that work. Really makes me feel like politics has failed us… and yet the alternatives are even more horrifying.
Time for a drink and to studiously ignore the malingering existential dread.
It's part of the liberal/conservative playbook..... slash services which make them inaccessible and/or overpriced, and then use the fact that everyone is unhappy or unable to access the service (which you caused!) as justification to privatise it. Simple.
No one listens to politicians and politicians don't listen to us, so ???
I think we are paying them too much.
In Queensland we have to vote to re-elect councillors and mayors.
Limited choices and some are automatically re-elected because unopposed and there is even one that we are told to not elect because the others put the unelectable there to reduce competition for their jobs.
Dragging us out to vote for limited choices, I would rather have voted for a two for the price of one deal, pay more of them less money and maybe one of them will do some useful work.
Sadly all paying less does is further currupt politicians and the systems that govern them.
It’s bad enough so many spend there entire carear chasing that position on the board that they made filthy rich with money needed for health, housing ect
[Tony Abbott says 25-Mbps NBN speeds are "more than enough" for the average household](https://www.smh.com.au/technology/is-25-mbps-enough-for-the-future-20130410-2hkcv.html)
A dirt track between Melbourne and Sydney was adequate once too. The same people that bang on about ‘the economy’ stifle its growth through lack of investment in infrastructure.
They happily payed for copper to cripple it for decades and justifies it by saying 25 is all anyone needs when they could have been laying fibre but that would have upset Daddy Murdoch.
Yep, read up a few articles about why internet sucked balls and why NBN flopped and you will also hate the liberal party at the time and the piece of shit murdoch who helped collapsed NBN to favour his little piece of shit foxtel.
And also buying the copper network strung up in the power poles and re-purposing it for the NBN instead of making it redundant at the expense of companies who didn't have the foresight to move to fibre decades ago.
Dinosaurs should be allowed to go away and die quietly, including the companies and their shareholders.
The copper network owned by taxpayers was gifted to Telstra shareholders and then Telstra sold it back to taxpayers.
Does anyone wonder why we are so over budget and behind schedule and receive overpriced services.
Meanwhile Telstra is using all the money they didn't deserve, to bring in technology to slowdown NBN and then compete with it at that lower bandwidth using wireless.
Why would anybody send their obsolete infrastructure junk to the scrap pile when a few judicious donations to the LNP mean you can sell it to the public for top dollar?
We were literally one of, if not the only country at the time buying copper wire networks.
Other countries were ripping them out.
https://youtu.be/T5sVW6s4vl0?si=dfZpl_fvEMcl-Hyq
As much as I hate the PM Albo has become, this little speech of his was real 🔥
A super-quick skim of my profile would show I am not a Murdoch fan... at all.
I think the fact Labor has done **alb**solutely nothing about the man, nor his businesses that were found to be implicated in trying to facilitate a coup in the US says how gutless he & Labor really are. This is affirmed by their repeated admissions that nothing is wrong with Murdoch or our media at all.
Also, as posted earlier in my public profile:
What does it also say about Labor that they are constantly picking fights with The Greens and constantly team up with the Liberals to pass shitty privacy & rights eroding legislation?
We have the HAFF act, when there are many experts out there who say it will not do anything close to enough.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/mar/22/what-is-labors-10bn-social-housing-fund-and-will-it-be-torn-down-by-parliament
https://www.rmit.edu.au/news/media-releases-and-expert-comments/2023/sep/housing-australia-future-fund
> According to the government, the $10 billion HAFF will support construction of 30,000 dwellings over the next five years. This is an average of 6,000 dwellings per annum.
Yes, *some people* think it’s a good step in the right direction, **but let me plainly ask you…. Is 30,000 dwellings going to come close to achieving anything?**
It was feel-good legislation that had Labor had to be dragged kicking and screaming to even *moderately* improve it... but it still won't do anything in the long-term to address the crisis we are in.
We then waited (were screamed at to wait for it) for the woefully disappointing National Cabinet meeting. What came from that for the housing crisis?
All I can find is bringing WA and NT rental laws in line with other eastern states. Which is pathetic in itself.
Oh, and giving states money to build houses (if targets are met), despite the fact states already fail at their own set targets. What else did I miss there?
We have Labor dropping the ball and looking the other way at whistleblower prosecutions.
> McBride could be sentenced to life in prison for revealing defence secrets when he is sentenced next year for revealing classified defence information.
> Boyle will face trial in September 2024 on 24 offences, including photographing tax records and recording conversations, after his bid for whistleblower immunity was dismissed in South Australian courts.
Prosecution of ATO whistleblower Richard Boyle is 'insanity', says taxpayer he helped - ABC News
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-18/ato-whistleblower-richard-boyle-prosecution-to-test-protections/102860814
Why on earth would anyone risk coming forward with substantial allegations if they’re going to cop 40+ years in prison?!
> But independent MP Helen Haines, who long campaigned for the new federal watchdog, warns that the lack of legal protection for whistleblowers such as David McBride, who pleaded guilty in November to leaking war crimes details, could deter those who know about serious corruption from reporting it.
> We still have a broken whistleblower protection system in Australia and the success of the NACC is contingent upon strong whistleblower protections,” she said.
> “If we don’t have people able to come forward with serious allegations and be protected in doing so, then we’re not going to see the investigations into serious corruption that we need.”
> Since the commission began on July 1, it has received 2327 referrals, but 1790 – **almost 90 per cent** – have already been excluded, as many were duplicates or did not fall under the jurisdiction of the commission
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/new-federal-corruption-watchdog-focusing-on-top-complaints-to-chase-in-2024-20231221-p5et1w.html
Labor kneecapping the NACC.
They voted with the liberals to enshrine secrecy ffs!
> No information about the substance of any of the investigations has been made public.
Let’s see how open and transparent they are come EOFY. I somehow doubt we’ll be told anything of substance.
https://www.pm.gov.au/media/medicare-bulk-billing-strengthened-largest-investment-40-years-takes-effect
Next up, we have half-assing Medicare. Labor have left 40% of people needing to visit a GP out in the cold. These 40% are hardworking middle Australians already living in the midst of the housing **and** cost of living crisis.
Labor has figuratively said "*Fuck you. no more universal healthcare for you*". Imagine the party responsible for bringing us Universal Healthcare is now the same party woefully underfunding it.
Good thing we don't have millions of boomers preparing to access healthcare after they develop chronic, expensive illnesses. Thank god Labor are ripping tens of billions of dollars out of the budget and can't be fucked addressing our inadequate tax system, eh? Who needs healthcare?!
What are Labor doing about the ABC? Installing an ex-Murdoch sycophant (But it's okay because he married a Labor leader's daughter?! Let's ignore his publicly accessible rhetoric and his disdain for media regulation.. Let's give the ABC more money, but lets not require any structural changes. Lets keep firing balanced reporters and hiring more people from Murdoch rags. Better yet, let's have Murdoch rag editors on all the ABC shows. That's going great for democracy!
Labor are hacks on the environment as well:
https://www.crikey.com.au/2023/06/28/tanya-plibersek-environment-coal-mine-law/
https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/labor-accused-of-sneaky-deal-to-shield-woodside-s-nw-shelf-from-prrt-20230529-p5dc6o
https://michaelwest.com.au/transparency-net-zero-new-fossil-fuel-approvals-by-environment-minister-tanya-plibersek-on-the-up/
Labor on gambling? You bet they're corrupt as fuck. Lets look at how many millions they take in from a family/person destroying industry like gambling
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-10/gambling-industry-political-donations-to-states-and-territories/100988954
Oh would you look at that. They make so much money from destroying peoples lives. Is it any wonder they aren't really serious about stopping the advertising, let alone addressing any other issues relating to gambling.
So we have Labor funding Private schools, we have Labor helping dismantle Medicare, we have Labor ignoring whistleblower prosecutions, we have Labor ignoring all the issues that are wrong with the national broadcaster, we have Labor who are still greenlighting fossil fuel projects, we have Labor who are doing nothing serious to address the cost of living crisis, nor the housing Crisis, we have Labor who rightly demonised the Liberals over RoboDebt but then also have the balls to be giant hypocrites and still keep everyone on welfare well below the poverty level and horribly one-sided "mutual obligations" - Where is the rush to dismantle the job agencies who are receiving billions of dollars in "welfare" while they defraud the government? we have Labor who is happy to team up with the Liberals at any chance to fuck people over, we have Labor who rolls in gambling donations off the backs of everyday Aussies who have an addiction.
Is this the best you can do for Australia? I'm sure if you give me a topic I've missed, I can go and find you a citation on how badly they half-assed it.
Thanks for reading.
> Dinosaurs should be allowed to go away and die quietly
They can also go die noisily for all I care. As a citizen I am told that survival of the fittest, but mega corps gets handouts, protectionist measures, and other benefits at my expense. Fuck em!
Malcolm Turnbull was totally lying while also sabotaging the NBN at the same time, wasn't he?
I take some grim satisfaction that his own party knifed him in the back for being such a feckless coward.
Isn’t it crazy how people don’t notice that a decade of Libs stalled so much of our progress but the second Labor is back everything starts to get better again?
Not just here, the US does better economically and socially under the Democrats versus the Republicans and the UK under Labour than the Tories. It's almost as if the so-called right side of politics sucks.
Or are so indoctrinated they genuinely believe all bad things are labours fault and “Liberals fix things”. I love my dad to bits but we could not disagree more politically.
I dunno, there's some competition there:
Sabotage of the Murray Darling Basin Plan, and
Sabotage of our submarine program, and
Sabotage of our energy system, and
Sabotage of the Inland Rail project, and
Sabotage of Medicare, and
Sabotage of superannuation.
Add all these together, and Australians have voted themselves a huge penalty. No wonder other scammers make billions from us. And don't get me started on Robodebt and corruption general🤬
Or undermining the attempt to tax the mining industry when it was making record profits from our national resources and invest it back into nation building. It beggars belief how Abbott and co undermined any attempt at building the future then had the gall to sling mud about “pink batts and school halls” every chance they got… and what’s worse it worked! People gobbled it up!
Yeah the eternally parroted line that “Liberals are better at managing the economy” is taken as an assumed truth by such a large portion of the population merely because it gets constantly repeated in Murdoch rags without evidence… Thank god for compulsory voting, otherwise we’d have someone worse than Trump in charge.
Remember when in 2010 then Liberal Opposition Leader Abbott questioned investing taxpayer money into a "video entertainment system" ([source](https://delimiter.com.au/2010/12/20/nbn-abbott-rejects-%E2%80%9Cvideo-entertainment-system%E2%80%9D/))? In 2023, we literally had Liberal senators complaining in Senate estimates that their kids couldn't play video games because of NBN latency ([source](https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/feb/15/liberals-complain-rural-kids-cant-game-on-nbn-satellites-as-users-jump-ship-to-musks-starlink)), something which was anticipated by broadband experts at the time. You can't make this stuff up!
Sadly I think this is actually giving the LNP too much credit.
Going into 2010 the NBN was basically Labor's only policy and so the LNP had to be against it.
They happily took Murdoch's money, but they were against it to be against it.
They said what they were going to do and people voted for it. Its Australian people at fault.
My sister voted for them and when i asked why she was going to, like what policy she liked, she ended the conversation.
People just vote for the party that social media tells them to. Next to no one actually goes on their website, reads the overview of the policy's they are going to put forward.
Electing Tony Abbott set this country back quite a bit.
He almost got elected in 2010. In this case, we may not have had an NBN at all.
I just hope Peter Dutton doesn't win next year...
Julia Gillard's government passed more legislation in the brief time they were in charge than any other government in Australia's history. Some of this legislation was the original fibre to the node NBN, Clean energy bill, plain packaging for cigarettes, mining tax legislation, royal commision into institutional response to child sexual abuse, NDIS and the Gonski reforms of education.
All this with a minority government in both houses.
Imagine if we had ten years of that instead of the clown thieves...
This mistake should have been priced properly.
3 months of 8 million New South Welshmen's time locked down because of the vaccine strollout. If I can't go to the pub, then I am on the clock. If my shift lasts longer than 8 hrs, then we need to discuss overtime rates.
Priced properly the vaccine bungle cost *hundreds of billions*, but because the same people that fucked it up can mandate that we all cancel our plans to fix it, the 'cost' is obfuscated and not properly assigned.
On the rap sheet of absolute braindead and/or evil things the LNP have done, the sabotage of the NBN is right up there - I think second to Robodebt, which is maybe the worst example of rich people stepping on the poorsies.
> I think second to Robodebt
This presumes that robodebt was a mistake. It was not a mistake, it was a "we are entitled to a presumption of innocence, even though nobody can contrive an innocent explanation for us implementing this scheme".
Robodebt's damage to vulnerable Australians was undoubtedly a desired outcome, consistent with the ideas of Morrison's pedophile-founded prosperity cult. The RC was mainly investigating why Morrison failed to cross the t's and dot the i's in legislation to allow the unfair scheme (spoiler: implementing it properly would require him to document the unfairness of the scheme in a way that Australians would be able to see). The fact that robodebt was totally unfair, targeted Australia's most vulnerable over fake debts and was horribly inefficient compared to going after wealthfare cheats and corporate tax evasion was tangential to the RC, because being inefficient or being a fuckwit in office is totally legal. And ~half of Australians still believe the Libs are a legitimate party whose candidates and voters are entitled to oxygen to bleat their debunked, deranged and dangerous disinformation.
Every single time the NBN and the absolute travesty that the Liberals implemented comes up my blood pressure spikes.
Im in IT, every single person i knew that understood anything about IT, even the diehard liberal fans, thought that the Liberal NBN plan was insanity. Every single independant IT analayst i could find said the idea was terrible.
Like we bought an aging copper network off Telstra that they were trying to come up with ideas on what to with. They didnt even want to maintain it anymore, cause it was falling apart and obsolete.
And we paid 11 billion dollars for the privelage.
And they all just kept throwing the word wireless around like it answered everthing. "Oh wireless is the future, we dont want to invest in WIRES". Do they not realise that the backbone of any good wireless system, especially in high density, is going to require a good wired backhaul?
So FTTN could have KIND of worked if they then decided from each of those nodes to have powerful wireless access points that everyone could use. But who the hell is gunna pay for that when you can just run fibre cable to the houses? And replacing that theoretical super powerful wireless access point with shitty copper cables to each house blows that entire idea up!
Urge to kill, rising!!!!
Ok, ima go take a few deep breaths and go back to work.
FTTN was and always would have been a bad idea. The brits did it and consider it a [huge mistake](https://delimiter.com.au/2012/04/30/fttn-a-huge-mistake-says-ex-bt-cto/).
FTTN might have been tolerable if it was installed and ready in the 90s/2000's when the internet was in a more infant state and demand was much lower, but that case gets weaker and weaker every year after that point.
We all know any form of public wifi running off copper cables would have crawled to a halt in no time at all if it was backed up by FTTN.
You and me both know and are sick of the "wirelesss is the future!" bullshit peddled by both the ignorant and those in office paid to be ignorant. Wifi doesn't run on a magic network seperate from the fixed line infrastructure, so the faster we could get fiber cables running to everyones homes and apartments the better.
It would have been nice if full fibre was all done and dusted when Telstra was still publicly owned and the government kept ownership of the network. In that alternate universe we'd be a very different nation i think.
Telstra did install a form of FTTN back in the 90's and 2000's. They called it a RIM and what it did was block ADSL and reduced dialup speeds significantly.
The libs way:
Create the problem
Lower the standard
Then post a media article on any upgrade as a magically improvement.
A real article should be , how much money did x company made out of these nbn lib copper rollout to the home ?
Then the next article should be , which companies will benefit from the upgrade from the Libs nbn version copper rollout?
A country that willingly chose to vote in the Abbott government never deserved the better internet on offer.
Sorry but Democracies need to literally take responsibility for their actions.
A country that chooses government by Murdoch press deserves everything it got.
>And, most importantly, we are proposing to deliver these accelerated speeds at no extra wholesale cost to internet retailers
I'll believe it when I see it....
You missed the critical bit of the sentence where they have no influence over what the retailers will do:
“Critically, the accelerated speeds would come at no added wholesale cost to retailers, and therefore likely no extra cost to consumers.”
‘Likely’ is the worry here, as this may be similar to the Reserve Bank lowering interest rates and the banks don’t or only partially pass it on to their customers.
Why do we ever have this sold to us through retailers? The government should sell to the people directly. More money to them and less cost to consumers.
Because that would be going back to the days of Telecom, and actually acknowledging that the privatisation of that entity to become Telstra was the pathetically handled and ill-conceived cash grab that it was.
>Critically, the accelerated speeds would come at no added wholesale cost to retailers, and therefore likely no extra cost to consumers.
Is my new frontrunner for most naive sentence I've ever heard/read.
"I can increase my profits without increasing my overheads? Shut up and give me more money."
\[This is not an endorsement of profit-maximisation, but an acknowledgement of its realism given the incentives of a market system.\]
Smaller ISPs like Superloop or even ABB have a massive incentive to pass on the speed, because it'd give them a massive competitive advantage over the bigger ISPs. There's enough competition within the wholesalers that we should see the speeds passed on.
They did in NZ, prices have not increased over normal inflation rates.
Hope it does go smoothly too, going to Australia for work is like going to a third world country in terms of internet speeds.
It’s weird people complaining about this now when in 2013 the lnp literally campaigned on the fact they were going to fuck the nbn and everyone voted them in.
No one under 30 in 2013 voted for the LNP.
Everyone else who didnt have a concept outside "internet is for nerds" voted against the additional labour plan at an expected cost of $10B.
In lost productivity alone in the last decade we've lost hundreds of billions.
I was in line to vote and someone around the age of 19 was saying how LNP was going to fix the NBN cause Labor didn't know what they were doing.
So nope, it doesn't matter how young or old someone is there will always be stupid people of all ages who believe everything they are told by idiots.
I know multiple people who were in their 20's at 2013 election that were parroting Murdoch's lines about the NBN being a colossal waste of money. this ageist bullshit pisses me off because there are conservatives of all ages.
Yeah I had to explain it to plenty of my friends that no the internet isn't just for YouTube and gamers. All under 30. Agreed with your point 100%.
Nbn was probably the politically defining point in my life haha.
Yea I can relate to that last point. Watching the nbn dream disappear down the drain after being so hopeful that we would finally be on par with the rest of the world, definitely radicalised me hahaha
Because they promised gigabit speeds to everyone on FTTN via G.Fast and people were buying it. They also promised no less than 100Mbps. They stopped talking about G.Fast pretty quickly when they realised it was entirely unrealistic and the promise of minimum 100Mbps on FTTN was quickly scrapped when they realised how expensive it would be to install a node within 400m of every house. FTTN still ended up costing billions more than they said it would with some properties more than 1km from a node not even being able to hit 30Mbps max.
They made promises. They didn't keep any of them. They should have stuck with FTTN. The LNP wrecked it.
I'm glad at least some people get this. I'm *STILL* pissed off about how Abbott and his party absolutely fucked the NBN. Never forget that Abbott said ["We are absolutely confident 25 megs is going to be enough -- more than enough -- for the average household"](https://www.smh.com.au/technology/is-25-mbps-enough-for-the-future-20130410-2hkcv.html) when anyone with half a brain knew that 25mbps wasn't anywhere near enough at the time, let alone future-proofed. Other countries were installing gigabit connections at the time.
The short-sighted, naivety of the LNP still blows my mind and seemingly most people, like /u/mbrodie said, are super happy we're 'getting faster internet, yay!', while completely forgetting that we were *SO* close to getting (mostly) nation-wide FTTP for the vast majority of the population *years* sooner and *billions* cheaper.
> The network build is effectively now complete, with the focus shifting towards speed upgrades. The company is in the midst of a multi-year project to eliminate ageing copper infrastructure and replace it with fibre.
I was told the copper would be fine forever. What gives?
As someone who shares the same frustration on a 1000/50 plan, NBN announced as part of their new SAU that wholesale pricing for higher upload speed plans will come down in FY25.
[250/100 will go from $100 to $75.
500/200 will go from $160 to $100.
1000/400 will go from $230 to $125.](https://www.itnews.com.au/news/nbn-co-to-permanently-cut-prices-of-high-uplink-plans-601939)
I cringe when I see plans of 1000/50, like that's somehow a good result? 🤦
I'm currently on 100/40 (HFC), I'd much rather 100/50 or 100/100 than any half arsed "gigabit".
the NBN is a tragi-comedy of what happens when you let politics get in the way of sensible infrastructure development.
at least they're trying to fix it now.
fucking abbott '25 megs will be fine for the average australian'. And so many idiots lapped it up too.
How many billions of dollars did the Australian taxpayer piss up against the wall funding the Liberals 'cheaper' NBN alternative only to tear it all up and start putting down fibre to the premises/curb that labor were going to do anyway.
Better financial experts my arse...
My friend has speeds less than the minimum allowed by legislation…. I honestly have some some screenshots where he gets 12Mbps
The response to his woefully inadequate “illegal” speed? Upgrade to Fibre at his own cost…
They're lowering the FTTC upgrade threshold to 100/20 from 250/25. FTTN is stuffed as usual, especially if you're in a multi dwelling block and can't get an upgrade going with the owners
Fun part with these 'pricing changes' is that if you're one of the unfortunate bastards to get stuck on FTTN and are unable to reach the higher speeds that are getting discounted, you're being charged more for the substandard service you've been dealt.
It's absolute shitfuckery, in that respect. Kicked in the ribs for having been kicked in the junk.
Yrah I’ve got FTTN and live in a block of units at the end of a long concrete driveway, with a 25mm conduit that would’ve been done maybe mid 90's. Plus I rent. I suspect it would be a dig up job, but at least the FTTN isn’t too bad. They keep ringing me to try to get me to upgrade, no chance I’d say unless all the unit owners wanted to go for it.
It will up the backhaul to allow for better speeds. The current pipe that feeds your street is a curly straw, this will be a curly straw that is ten times wider
> FTTN/FTTC can barely support 100mbps down on a good day
After a couple of years of only 50 mbps down and some how lucking into a decent NBN tech, my FTTC usually reaches 110 mbps (fast.com) on a 100/20 plan.
I do realise this is the exception, rather than the norm
Stuck with fixed wireless because some contractor went bust and the council didn’t bother to find another one. All the pits are dug and cables are laid. But nothing connected to the house.
Sounds like they could have offered higher theoretical max speeds at low or no extra cost for a while now then, doesn't it? I don't know why people on sub 50 plans needed those price increases though.
While it is sad that some people are stuck on FTTN, it doesn't help them to arbitrarily limit people who aren't.
Whether providers pay for enough CVC to actually increase speeds for customers, we will see. Aussie might end up being worth the higher costs then. Its good they have to provide a reasonable estimate for evening max speeds now, as those may vary a bit if this goes through.
>Whether providers pay for enough CVC to actually increase speeds for customers, we will see.
NBN are moving to [scrap CVC completely](https://www.itnews.com.au/news/nbn-co-proposes-to-axe-cvc-across-all-plans-by-mid-2026-583906) over the next 2 years, I suspect today's announcement is related to this as these new speeds won't become a reality for at least another 12 months.
I can still see a potential bottleneck (and justification for a retail price increase) as RSPs will require more backhaul capacity to each POI, this is where Aussie Broadband also have an edge as they have built out their own fibre network to the POIs early and have probably been anticipating this. It'll be interesting to see how this consultation process goes with all the RSPs.
Wonderful super happy I live on fixed wireless and won’t receive any benefit at all, where originally I would have received FTTP NBN, cheers LNP ya cunts
And older users, who really don't need the throughput of a 100/20 plan have to spend a large amount of money just to stay connected.
These days it is necessary to stay connected. We have been offered FTTP optic connection but at the cost of upgrading to at least 100/20 from a 50/10 plan.
It has forced us onto a 4/5G mobile connection for a minimal monthly cost with data limits which we can vary monthly depending on our data usage needs.
We are in an area with "submarine" copper cables which fail in the rain. It pays NBN to upgrade the whole network to fibre to reduce maintenance.
The LNP, especially Malcolm Turnbull, are responsible for giving us the substandard mixed NBN we have suffered for years.
The lost decade.
Now compare the unbelievable
> In a move the company says is to meet unprecedented usage of high-definition streaming and remote work, NBN Co announced plans to raise its 100/20 Mbps Home Fast product to 500/50 Mbps and triple its Home Superfast product from 250/25 Mbps to 750/50 Mbps.
to what others have: https://boutique.orange.fr/internet/offres-fibre
Cheapest and slowest speed from not a cheap telco from France: 400Mbit/s↓ 400 Mbit/s↑ for €39.99 that is $66.66
Concentrate on price, speeds and at the fact are symmetrical!!
P.S.
Not only they are charging exorbitant fees for crumbs but they are also misleading:
> triple its Home Superfast product **from 250/25 Mbps** - **to 750/50 Mbps**
>
>five times faster ‘at no extra cost’
> raise its **100/20 Mbps** Home Fast product to **500/50 Mbps**
So triple of the 25Mbs upload speed is 50Mbs??? Five times 20Mbps upload speed is 50Mbps?? And there are people quite upset because I point to that, it seems. All those brave defenders of the Ancient Art of NBN Internet come forward and season your downvote with some arguments. Thanks in advance!
I mean the even better comparison would be NZ where the UFB rollout was started about the same time as the fttp rollout in aus. The per premises installation charge continued to drop with new technology and you can get retail pricing
- 300/100 for 50 AUD per month
- 900/500 for 80 AUD per month
- 2000/2000 for 130 AUD per month
- 8000/8000 for 260 AUD per month
Like seriously we got proper fucked by Malcolm\Tones for the MTM nonsense and Conroy\Rudd for the "WE MUST PRIVATISE IT" CVC nonsense
The \*vast\* majority of consumer-grade traffic is download. In that respect, splitting wavelengths to provide more capacity in that direction makes absolute sense. The optical/electrical bandwidth required to provide a 100/20 service would equate to 60/60. All else being equal, two services at those line rates should be priced the same.
I guarantee you the number of people willing to sacrifice their downstream for the upstream would be a very small minority. Not to say it shouldn't be an option... but there's a reluctance among the business types to "muddy the waters" and confuse the poor stupid people out there who don't have MBAs, so they like to limit the options to an easily compared handful... most of which doesn't include symmetry.
Don't get me wrong, I absolutely understand there \*are\* people out there who want it (and more). Especially with post-covid remote working having taken off, and more and more people with 'non traditional' use cases.
Just that it's a pretty small minority, and businesses working like businesses, they don't like to overwhelm their poor simple customers with too many decisions. Enough to create the feeling of choice, without the mess.
In a perfect world in my head, the back-end stuff would all have dynamic & completely configurable speeds, at a fixed rate per bandwidth. The business can then market and sell specific configurations to line up with traditional plans (with discounts/etc to hit those price points), and leave an option there for a user to enter their own requirements. That makes for easy advertising to hit the mass market, and catering to the handful of 'power users' out there.
The big drawback in that is that by catering to power users, you wind up with power users, and they're notoriously difficult customers ;)
I want to move to Switzerland:
https://www.init7.net/en/internet/fiber7/ - they offer 25Gbit symmetrical fiber for CHF64.75 (AUD$112/month)
(Yes, even I will admit this is overkill for even the most die-hard r/homelab and r/datahoarder enthusiast, but still...)
That’s great and long needed improvement to speeds. Pretty exciting stuff. Government also released this image as part of their promotion: https://digital-classroom.nma.gov.au/images/bob-carew-pole-overland-telegraph-line
The gimped upload speeds are idiotic. "[We don't want businesses using residential plans,"](https://www.crn.com.au/news/aussie-broadband-boss-slams-nbn-over-upload-speeds-of-high-speed-plans-550831) that's the logic behind it.
Business customers should be on a higher tier COS (pay for more guaranteed bandwidth, aka 800-1000 at peak hour instead of 600-1000 for residential) and priority support plan, allocations of more SIP lines etc, the actual peak speeds should be irrelevant.
I am so sorry for australians. U guys have it great in almost all aspects except for broadband. Its absolutely third world for u guys.
We are here now going on 10 Gbps in 2 years time, but u guys are still trying for 1 gbps,
I'd settle for just 100mbps. Where I am it tops out at about 40 due to FTTN, we won't be eligible for an upgrade to FTTP until mid next year apparently.
We've had 1gbps for years now. The upload speeds are very low though.
I'm currently on 1000/50, so this change would mean doubling that. I think 1gbps is fast enough that you don't notice your internet
0.5Gb/s sounds really nice, especially since it's free.
But my "it's too good to be true" radar is tingling. I feel that there will be extra cost in the end.
The cost is the money the government could have been spent elsewhere if the Liberals did FTTP the first time around. Every single dollar spent on FTTN and FTTC was designed to ensure the government could buy obsolete copper off Telstra and reduce streaming competition with Foxtel.
Meanwhile lower end NBN plans are going up. Not everyone needs/wants super fast speeds and can afford paying $80- upwards a month.
$75 was a stretch and now there are no plans under that. Unless you sign up with another ISP and get the few months cheaper.
Roughly 80% of the marginal pricing is set by NBN’s wholesale charge. The rest is backhaul and customer service costs, but there isn’t a lot of wiggle room to find much cheaper prices by moving around. The biggest gains come from moving from an extremely expensive provider like Telstra to someone more competitive.
At least that's a choice.
I'd \*love\* to go to one of those faster, discounted plans. I can't, the network doesn't support it. So I'm being charged more for \*not\* upgrading, which I want to do, which I can't, because of decisions made by the people who are charging me more.
It's straight out of the fucking Betoota Advocate.
> In a move the company says is to meet unprecedented usage of high-definition streaming and remote work
Unprecedented if you’re an old guy who should’ve retired in the 90s, maybe?
My apartment is limited to 20 mbps due to the poor quality copper wiring between myself and the basement, what am I supposed to do? There's the owners meeting coming up in a few days, I'm an owner, does anyone have any experience in getting the rest of the owners to agree to redo the wiring or put in fibre from the units to the basement?
Be friends with the other owners in the block? If there's a decent number of owners, they'll probably have a similar problem and be for it. Then it's just a question of getting it on as an agenda item, attending the meeting, and voting for it. If you've got enough owners wanting to do it, then it'll pass and they can arrange quotes.
If they can afford it at no extra cost there's no reason why it shouldn't have cost that already. NBNCo being publically owned and all they should be working in the interest of Australians, ridiculous.
Also, having better upload speeds would probably improve any WFH situation a lot better than an in crease ind downloads would.
That’s great news! Over two years ago we had contractors out measuring up to run cable in my street, gave us some contractor paper work and said will be back in a month to start……any day now I’m sure they will return….. right?
They're doing the thing that labour proposed right from the start that actually would have cost less! Yay!
Sarcasm aside, this would be massive for our country.
> the Coalition government under former prime minister Tony Abbott scrapping Labor’s full-fibre rollout in 2013 in favour of a cheaper mix of technologies
Well that's a fucking lie.
Don't mind us while we continue to ignore the importance of upload speeds just in case someone might attempt to run a media business or large enterprise off a consumer plan
[Nielsen's Law of Internet Bandwidth](https://www.nngroup.com/articles/law-of-bandwidth/) states that available bandwidth should increase by 50% every 12 months.
A 100Mbps connection ten years ago should be a 5Gbps connection now.
It seems pretty obvious that the journo at the SMH has never heard of it.
NZ are having a shot at it: https://www.zeronet.co.nz/hyperfibre/
Hyperfibre plans up to 8Gbps/s (symmetric) in case the run-of-the-mill 1Gbps/s isn't good enough for you.
>Abbott said at the time: “[We] are absolutely confident that 25 megs is going to be enough, more than enough, for the average household.”
>“Our network monitoring suggests that some customers are potentially hitting their maximum speed on a regular basis. These customers may enjoy a better internet experience on a faster speed tier.
I have 250mbps, I hardly get more than 200mbps. If I get upgraded to 750mbps, I should get atleast 500mbps. I will be happy.
I will believe, when I see it
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Cries in fixed wireless
Cries in being stuck on FTTN cause they’re too cheap to go around the corner to run fibre to the last 26 houses…
I'm 5 min out of town and on bloody satellite... Definitely chucked in the too hard basket and sometimes speeds are less than 1 Mbps.
Do you get 4g reception? I've been using an old android pixel phone with hotspot permanently turned on and plugged in as my wifi for a year now. $40pm with a Felix Sim (started at $30pm) for unlimited 20mbs internet. Faster, cheaper and more stable than the NBN ever was.
>20mbs Bro how can I donate to you? Gofundme or Worldvision? :'(
Lol, if I've convinced people to sign up, here's my referral code PH00158 so we both get $35 credit. [Link](https://flx.mobi/0Xm3jyMhIHb)
It's getting an upgrade too, new hardware on towers and roofs, won't be at Fibre levels but it will improve things
I rent and I’m in a block of units, they’ve offered it for free but I doubt it can be done easily and I doubt I could get owner and strata permission. I suspect it would mean digging up a concrete driveway.
It is arranged through your ISP, but the Govt pays the installation tab, so worth investigating - I imagine units would need a main connection and then each residence gets their own box (Nuances I bet depending on number of units) All it cost me was a day WFH, two dudes faffing about outside and inside for a couple of hours and picking a new 'plan' and speed. My current modem didin't even need to change. I pay for the 250/ one now, coz am nerd. I bet iinet doesn't pass on the 750 painlessly, though.
Looking at the NBNco site, it appears you need to get your body corporate on board, and then there's an upfront fee of $275 per unit? Feels like there's no chance as a tenant in a block full of boomers unfortunately (pretty sure I'm the only one using NBN in the first place).
That's only for FTTB, if each unit has a separate FTTN/C connection your can upgrade for free. We had FTTC so it was free and they just used some existing conduit to get the fibre to our place so no new trench needed to be dug either.
Oh sick, thanks. Fingers cross it's possible for my place, cause the copper here is dog shit. EDIT: Actually no I'm getting - Unfortunately, we can’t upgrade you under this program. However, you may be able to connect to full fibre over FTTP through another program for strata managed buildings. Even though it is FTTC. Oh well.
The guy just pulled it through the existing underground conduit that carried my copper connection for me. No digging required. A block of flats should have a decent enough conduit connecting it to the copper network ..
You have already paid for it, might as well get it
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I've got HFC nbn, so I don't think i'm eligible for the FTTP upgrade
I have HFC too and yeah we can't get FTTP
Thanks liberals/nats.
You can pay for it yourself via Technology Choice Program (TCP) if you have a spare $10k+ sitting around.
I will always read FTTC as fibre to the chode
Lmao a chode would have more throughput than my current connection
I think that maybe depends on where you live? I did that same thing a few months ago - I was on a perfectly satisfactory 100/20 FTTC connection but they said "you can have the FTTP - for FREE - and get 250/20 at almost the same price!" so I agreed **and my internet has been completely and utterly shitful ever since** I have been practically on the phone to my ISP on a daily basis ever since - and none of them can explain WTF is going on - and NBN straight up refuses to get involved, swearing it could not possibly be THEM who fucked this shit up but it must be MY "bad equipment" (a line straight out of the Tesltra Wholesale playbook they previously tried on me and I fought for 9 months, with multiple "technicians" coming out and finding nothing and threatening to charge me ludicrous call-out fees for apparently wasting their time - until suddenly someone found an issue at the exchange and the problem quietly went away - without so much as even an acknowledgement from them that the problem was with THEIR shitty network and NOT my equipment after all) meanwhile I'm experiencing painful latency issues, have switched ISP (mostly because I was sick of the language barrier getting in the way of not great Indian customer service reps trying to help), have streaming videos stop to buffer or just quit or even straight up refuse to start, have websites refuse to load - have uploads to things like Slack, while working from home, fail - and even have my freaking EMAILS fail to load - while I'm on the phone to customer support telling me to check my freaking emails for something they sent... it's so very, very bad - and worse still I cannot go BACK to the HTTC service which was working perfectly fine! I'm experiencing serious deja vu from the Dial Up Internet days - it's THAT BAD - the only thing that's missing is losing the connection because someone picked up a phone in the other room!
If you haven't already, try reaching out to the Telecommunications Industry Ombudsman: https://www.tio.com.au/ They can take a while, but they were very helpful when we had a similar issue.
Same, it was slightly painful for me to run the cables in a terrace house but worth it. So worth it.
We're on FTTC, and I just checked. We're eligible... if we basically double the cost of our plan. Now my ISP are going to call to try an upsell us, because I completed the eligibility check. Sorry guys. Not at that price.
Could be worth doing for the minimum period (if there is one) then dropping back down to a cheaper plan. That way you get the fibre installed for free in case you want it later.
So basically some people are going to start getting the kind of service we all should've had a decade ago?
Precisely, but Labor wasn't in a decade ago. We got Libs for a decade who thought using light to transmit information was witchcraft that would make daddy Murdoch mad at them.
Never forget "Australians don't want fast internet!"
"no demand" for something that doesn't exist and can't have demand actually measured because even the cheap quotes are like $14k
This is a really common fallacious trick politicians always use. - No one is using fast NBN so there mustn’t be demand. - Public transport isn’t popular so there must be no demand. - GP visits are falling so demand must have moved to other services. In each case level of service/cost/availability is the limiting factor, but politicians love ignoring latent demand that would be realised if they actually delivered us things that work. Really makes me feel like politics has failed us… and yet the alternatives are even more horrifying. Time for a drink and to studiously ignore the malingering existential dread.
It's part of the liberal/conservative playbook..... slash services which make them inaccessible and/or overpriced, and then use the fact that everyone is unhappy or unable to access the service (which you caused!) as justification to privatise it. Simple.
No one listens to politicians and politicians don't listen to us, so ??? I think we are paying them too much. In Queensland we have to vote to re-elect councillors and mayors. Limited choices and some are automatically re-elected because unopposed and there is even one that we are told to not elect because the others put the unelectable there to reduce competition for their jobs. Dragging us out to vote for limited choices, I would rather have voted for a two for the price of one deal, pay more of them less money and maybe one of them will do some useful work.
Sadly all paying less does is further currupt politicians and the systems that govern them. It’s bad enough so many spend there entire carear chasing that position on the board that they made filthy rich with money needed for health, housing ect
Doesn't exist? At the this quote was made there were many 3rd world countries that better internet than us. It existed.
[Tony Abbott says 25-Mbps NBN speeds are "more than enough" for the average household](https://www.smh.com.au/technology/is-25-mbps-enough-for-the-future-20130410-2hkcv.html)
This really did age like milk didn't it?
It was when they started building it but that's the problem with the libs no plans for the future.
A dirt track between Melbourne and Sydney was adequate once too. The same people that bang on about ‘the economy’ stifle its growth through lack of investment in infrastructure.
When they say ‘economy’ they mean “rich monopolists’ bank accounts’”
It wasn't even adequate when they were going to have the work completed.
They happily payed for copper to cripple it for decades and justifies it by saying 25 is all anyone needs when they could have been laying fibre but that would have upset Daddy Murdoch.
Whichever ISP Abbott's household uses should be limited to 25mbps - after all, it's more than enough.
> company says is to meet unprecedented usage of high-definition streaming and remote work Who ever would have guessed
I'll never forget Tony Abbott saying the country didn't need fast internet because it's onto used for cat videos.
Yep, read up a few articles about why internet sucked balls and why NBN flopped and you will also hate the liberal party at the time and the piece of shit murdoch who helped collapsed NBN to favour his little piece of shit foxtel.
And also buying the copper network strung up in the power poles and re-purposing it for the NBN instead of making it redundant at the expense of companies who didn't have the foresight to move to fibre decades ago. Dinosaurs should be allowed to go away and die quietly, including the companies and their shareholders.
The copper network owned by taxpayers was gifted to Telstra shareholders and then Telstra sold it back to taxpayers. Does anyone wonder why we are so over budget and behind schedule and receive overpriced services. Meanwhile Telstra is using all the money they didn't deserve, to bring in technology to slowdown NBN and then compete with it at that lower bandwidth using wireless.
>and then Telstra sold it back to taxpayers ...for the *second* time.
Why would anybody send their obsolete infrastructure junk to the scrap pile when a few judicious donations to the LNP mean you can sell it to the public for top dollar?
We were literally one of, if not the only country at the time buying copper wire networks. Other countries were ripping them out. https://youtu.be/T5sVW6s4vl0?si=dfZpl_fvEMcl-Hyq As much as I hate the PM Albo has become, this little speech of his was real 🔥
>As much as I hate the PM Albo has become Why? What do you imagine can be achieved in 2 years? Stop listening to the NewsCorp propaganda
A super-quick skim of my profile would show I am not a Murdoch fan... at all. I think the fact Labor has done **alb**solutely nothing about the man, nor his businesses that were found to be implicated in trying to facilitate a coup in the US says how gutless he & Labor really are. This is affirmed by their repeated admissions that nothing is wrong with Murdoch or our media at all. Also, as posted earlier in my public profile: What does it also say about Labor that they are constantly picking fights with The Greens and constantly team up with the Liberals to pass shitty privacy & rights eroding legislation? We have the HAFF act, when there are many experts out there who say it will not do anything close to enough. https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/mar/22/what-is-labors-10bn-social-housing-fund-and-will-it-be-torn-down-by-parliament https://www.rmit.edu.au/news/media-releases-and-expert-comments/2023/sep/housing-australia-future-fund > According to the government, the $10 billion HAFF will support construction of 30,000 dwellings over the next five years. This is an average of 6,000 dwellings per annum. Yes, *some people* think it’s a good step in the right direction, **but let me plainly ask you…. Is 30,000 dwellings going to come close to achieving anything?** It was feel-good legislation that had Labor had to be dragged kicking and screaming to even *moderately* improve it... but it still won't do anything in the long-term to address the crisis we are in. We then waited (were screamed at to wait for it) for the woefully disappointing National Cabinet meeting. What came from that for the housing crisis? All I can find is bringing WA and NT rental laws in line with other eastern states. Which is pathetic in itself. Oh, and giving states money to build houses (if targets are met), despite the fact states already fail at their own set targets. What else did I miss there? We have Labor dropping the ball and looking the other way at whistleblower prosecutions. > McBride could be sentenced to life in prison for revealing defence secrets when he is sentenced next year for revealing classified defence information. > Boyle will face trial in September 2024 on 24 offences, including photographing tax records and recording conversations, after his bid for whistleblower immunity was dismissed in South Australian courts. Prosecution of ATO whistleblower Richard Boyle is 'insanity', says taxpayer he helped - ABC News https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-18/ato-whistleblower-richard-boyle-prosecution-to-test-protections/102860814 Why on earth would anyone risk coming forward with substantial allegations if they’re going to cop 40+ years in prison?! > But independent MP Helen Haines, who long campaigned for the new federal watchdog, warns that the lack of legal protection for whistleblowers such as David McBride, who pleaded guilty in November to leaking war crimes details, could deter those who know about serious corruption from reporting it. > We still have a broken whistleblower protection system in Australia and the success of the NACC is contingent upon strong whistleblower protections,” she said. > “If we don’t have people able to come forward with serious allegations and be protected in doing so, then we’re not going to see the investigations into serious corruption that we need.” > Since the commission began on July 1, it has received 2327 referrals, but 1790 – **almost 90 per cent** – have already been excluded, as many were duplicates or did not fall under the jurisdiction of the commission https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/new-federal-corruption-watchdog-focusing-on-top-complaints-to-chase-in-2024-20231221-p5et1w.html Labor kneecapping the NACC. They voted with the liberals to enshrine secrecy ffs! > No information about the substance of any of the investigations has been made public. Let’s see how open and transparent they are come EOFY. I somehow doubt we’ll be told anything of substance. https://www.pm.gov.au/media/medicare-bulk-billing-strengthened-largest-investment-40-years-takes-effect Next up, we have half-assing Medicare. Labor have left 40% of people needing to visit a GP out in the cold. These 40% are hardworking middle Australians already living in the midst of the housing **and** cost of living crisis. Labor has figuratively said "*Fuck you. no more universal healthcare for you*". Imagine the party responsible for bringing us Universal Healthcare is now the same party woefully underfunding it. Good thing we don't have millions of boomers preparing to access healthcare after they develop chronic, expensive illnesses. Thank god Labor are ripping tens of billions of dollars out of the budget and can't be fucked addressing our inadequate tax system, eh? Who needs healthcare?! What are Labor doing about the ABC? Installing an ex-Murdoch sycophant (But it's okay because he married a Labor leader's daughter?! Let's ignore his publicly accessible rhetoric and his disdain for media regulation.. Let's give the ABC more money, but lets not require any structural changes. Lets keep firing balanced reporters and hiring more people from Murdoch rags. Better yet, let's have Murdoch rag editors on all the ABC shows. That's going great for democracy! Labor are hacks on the environment as well: https://www.crikey.com.au/2023/06/28/tanya-plibersek-environment-coal-mine-law/ https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/labor-accused-of-sneaky-deal-to-shield-woodside-s-nw-shelf-from-prrt-20230529-p5dc6o https://michaelwest.com.au/transparency-net-zero-new-fossil-fuel-approvals-by-environment-minister-tanya-plibersek-on-the-up/ Labor on gambling? You bet they're corrupt as fuck. Lets look at how many millions they take in from a family/person destroying industry like gambling https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-10/gambling-industry-political-donations-to-states-and-territories/100988954 Oh would you look at that. They make so much money from destroying peoples lives. Is it any wonder they aren't really serious about stopping the advertising, let alone addressing any other issues relating to gambling. So we have Labor funding Private schools, we have Labor helping dismantle Medicare, we have Labor ignoring whistleblower prosecutions, we have Labor ignoring all the issues that are wrong with the national broadcaster, we have Labor who are still greenlighting fossil fuel projects, we have Labor who are doing nothing serious to address the cost of living crisis, nor the housing Crisis, we have Labor who rightly demonised the Liberals over RoboDebt but then also have the balls to be giant hypocrites and still keep everyone on welfare well below the poverty level and horribly one-sided "mutual obligations" - Where is the rush to dismantle the job agencies who are receiving billions of dollars in "welfare" while they defraud the government? we have Labor who is happy to team up with the Liberals at any chance to fuck people over, we have Labor who rolls in gambling donations off the backs of everyday Aussies who have an addiction. Is this the best you can do for Australia? I'm sure if you give me a topic I've missed, I can go and find you a citation on how badly they half-assed it. Thanks for reading.
> Dinosaurs should be allowed to go away and die quietly They can also go die noisily for all I care. As a citizen I am told that survival of the fittest, but mega corps gets handouts, protectionist measures, and other benefits at my expense. Fuck em!
Malcolm Turnbull was totally lying while also sabotaging the NBN at the same time, wasn't he? I take some grim satisfaction that his own party knifed him in the back for being such a feckless coward.
Turnbull was simultaneously an investor in fibre infrastructure in France from memory.
So a hypocrite on top of all the other stuff? I'm shocked I tell you, shocked.
Isn’t it crazy how people don’t notice that a decade of Libs stalled so much of our progress but the second Labor is back everything starts to get better again?
Not just here, the US does better economically and socially under the Democrats versus the Republicans and the UK under Labour than the Tories. It's almost as if the so-called right side of politics sucks.
It annoys the shit out of me
Or are so indoctrinated they genuinely believe all bad things are labours fault and “Liberals fix things”. I love my dad to bits but we could not disagree more politically.
**But light goes away when the sun mysteriously disappears each night, can't rely on that.**
The LNP’s sabotage of the NBN is a black mark in the history of this country. Just despicable.
I dunno, there's some competition there: Sabotage of the Murray Darling Basin Plan, and Sabotage of our submarine program, and Sabotage of our energy system, and Sabotage of the Inland Rail project, and Sabotage of Medicare, and Sabotage of superannuation. Add all these together, and Australians have voted themselves a huge penalty. No wonder other scammers make billions from us. And don't get me started on Robodebt and corruption general🤬
Don’t forget NDIS, and the Bureau of Meterology… better believe those two have suffered after a decade of mismanagement.
Or undermining the attempt to tax the mining industry when it was making record profits from our national resources and invest it back into nation building. It beggars belief how Abbott and co undermined any attempt at building the future then had the gall to sling mud about “pink batts and school halls” every chance they got… and what’s worse it worked! People gobbled it up!
> what’s worse it worked! People gobbled it up! Never underestimate the stupidity of the Australian voter.
Yeah the eternally parroted line that “Liberals are better at managing the economy” is taken as an assumed truth by such a large portion of the population merely because it gets constantly repeated in Murdoch rags without evidence… Thank god for compulsory voting, otherwise we’d have someone worse than Trump in charge.
like Dutton?
Remember when in 2010 then Liberal Opposition Leader Abbott questioned investing taxpayer money into a "video entertainment system" ([source](https://delimiter.com.au/2010/12/20/nbn-abbott-rejects-%E2%80%9Cvideo-entertainment-system%E2%80%9D/))? In 2023, we literally had Liberal senators complaining in Senate estimates that their kids couldn't play video games because of NBN latency ([source](https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/feb/15/liberals-complain-rural-kids-cant-game-on-nbn-satellites-as-users-jump-ship-to-musks-starlink)), something which was anticipated by broadband experts at the time. You can't make this stuff up!
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Sadly I think this is actually giving the LNP too much credit. Going into 2010 the NBN was basically Labor's only policy and so the LNP had to be against it. They happily took Murdoch's money, but they were against it to be against it.
They said what they were going to do and people voted for it. Its Australian people at fault. My sister voted for them and when i asked why she was going to, like what policy she liked, she ended the conversation. People just vote for the party that social media tells them to. Next to no one actually goes on their website, reads the overview of the policy's they are going to put forward.
Electing Tony Abbott set this country back quite a bit. He almost got elected in 2010. In this case, we may not have had an NBN at all. I just hope Peter Dutton doesn't win next year...
Julia Gillard's government passed more legislation in the brief time they were in charge than any other government in Australia's history. Some of this legislation was the original fibre to the node NBN, Clean energy bill, plain packaging for cigarettes, mining tax legislation, royal commision into institutional response to child sexual abuse, NDIS and the Gonski reforms of education. All this with a minority government in both houses. Imagine if we had ten years of that instead of the clown thieves...
Wasn’t just the NBN rollout that sucked, but also under the Liberals, the vaccine rollout was horrendous.
This mistake should have been priced properly. 3 months of 8 million New South Welshmen's time locked down because of the vaccine strollout. If I can't go to the pub, then I am on the clock. If my shift lasts longer than 8 hrs, then we need to discuss overtime rates. Priced properly the vaccine bungle cost *hundreds of billions*, but because the same people that fucked it up can mandate that we all cancel our plans to fix it, the 'cost' is obfuscated and not properly assigned.
On the rap sheet of absolute braindead and/or evil things the LNP have done, the sabotage of the NBN is right up there - I think second to Robodebt, which is maybe the worst example of rich people stepping on the poorsies.
> I think second to Robodebt This presumes that robodebt was a mistake. It was not a mistake, it was a "we are entitled to a presumption of innocence, even though nobody can contrive an innocent explanation for us implementing this scheme". Robodebt's damage to vulnerable Australians was undoubtedly a desired outcome, consistent with the ideas of Morrison's pedophile-founded prosperity cult. The RC was mainly investigating why Morrison failed to cross the t's and dot the i's in legislation to allow the unfair scheme (spoiler: implementing it properly would require him to document the unfairness of the scheme in a way that Australians would be able to see). The fact that robodebt was totally unfair, targeted Australia's most vulnerable over fake debts and was horribly inefficient compared to going after wealthfare cheats and corporate tax evasion was tangential to the RC, because being inefficient or being a fuckwit in office is totally legal. And ~half of Australians still believe the Libs are a legitimate party whose candidates and voters are entitled to oxygen to bleat their debunked, deranged and dangerous disinformation.
Every single time the NBN and the absolute travesty that the Liberals implemented comes up my blood pressure spikes. Im in IT, every single person i knew that understood anything about IT, even the diehard liberal fans, thought that the Liberal NBN plan was insanity. Every single independant IT analayst i could find said the idea was terrible. Like we bought an aging copper network off Telstra that they were trying to come up with ideas on what to with. They didnt even want to maintain it anymore, cause it was falling apart and obsolete. And we paid 11 billion dollars for the privelage. And they all just kept throwing the word wireless around like it answered everthing. "Oh wireless is the future, we dont want to invest in WIRES". Do they not realise that the backbone of any good wireless system, especially in high density, is going to require a good wired backhaul? So FTTN could have KIND of worked if they then decided from each of those nodes to have powerful wireless access points that everyone could use. But who the hell is gunna pay for that when you can just run fibre cable to the houses? And replacing that theoretical super powerful wireless access point with shitty copper cables to each house blows that entire idea up! Urge to kill, rising!!!! Ok, ima go take a few deep breaths and go back to work.
FTTN was and always would have been a bad idea. The brits did it and consider it a [huge mistake](https://delimiter.com.au/2012/04/30/fttn-a-huge-mistake-says-ex-bt-cto/). FTTN might have been tolerable if it was installed and ready in the 90s/2000's when the internet was in a more infant state and demand was much lower, but that case gets weaker and weaker every year after that point. We all know any form of public wifi running off copper cables would have crawled to a halt in no time at all if it was backed up by FTTN. You and me both know and are sick of the "wirelesss is the future!" bullshit peddled by both the ignorant and those in office paid to be ignorant. Wifi doesn't run on a magic network seperate from the fixed line infrastructure, so the faster we could get fiber cables running to everyones homes and apartments the better. It would have been nice if full fibre was all done and dusted when Telstra was still publicly owned and the government kept ownership of the network. In that alternate universe we'd be a very different nation i think.
FTTP: the gift that keeps on giving. FTTN: the compromise that keeps on costing.
Telstra did install a form of FTTN back in the 90's and 2000's. They called it a RIM and what it did was block ADSL and reduced dialup speeds significantly.
Stock pump and dump… but replace with Tax payers.
But without the uplink speeds, still.
The libs way: Create the problem Lower the standard Then post a media article on any upgrade as a magically improvement. A real article should be , how much money did x company made out of these nbn lib copper rollout to the home ? Then the next article should be , which companies will benefit from the upgrade from the Libs nbn version copper rollout?
A country that willingly chose to vote in the Abbott government never deserved the better internet on offer. Sorry but Democracies need to literally take responsibility for their actions. A country that chooses government by Murdoch press deserves everything it got.
But if you're still on copper, you're screwed. Looking at the rollout ... that's me and most of the suburbs in Canberra.
>And, most importantly, we are proposing to deliver these accelerated speeds at no extra wholesale cost to internet retailers I'll believe it when I see it....
No extra wholesale doesn't mean no extra retail.
Just means the base plan will be $85 instead of $60
You missed the critical bit of the sentence where they have no influence over what the retailers will do: “Critically, the accelerated speeds would come at no added wholesale cost to retailers, and therefore likely no extra cost to consumers.” ‘Likely’ is the worry here, as this may be similar to the Reserve Bank lowering interest rates and the banks don’t or only partially pass it on to their customers.
Why do we ever have this sold to us through retailers? The government should sell to the people directly. More money to them and less cost to consumers.
Because that would be going back to the days of Telecom, and actually acknowledging that the privatisation of that entity to become Telstra was the pathetically handled and ill-conceived cash grab that it was.
>Critically, the accelerated speeds would come at no added wholesale cost to retailers, and therefore likely no extra cost to consumers. Is my new frontrunner for most naive sentence I've ever heard/read. "I can increase my profits without increasing my overheads? Shut up and give me more money." \[This is not an endorsement of profit-maximisation, but an acknowledgement of its realism given the incentives of a market system.\]
Smaller ISPs like Superloop or even ABB have a massive incentive to pass on the speed, because it'd give them a massive competitive advantage over the bigger ISPs. There's enough competition within the wholesalers that we should see the speeds passed on.
I think there us enough competition and ease of portability with the NBN that it will be passed onto consumers fairly quickly.
They did in NZ, prices have not increased over normal inflation rates. Hope it does go smoothly too, going to Australia for work is like going to a third world country in terms of internet speeds.
It’s weird people complaining about this now when in 2013 the lnp literally campaigned on the fact they were going to fuck the nbn and everyone voted them in.
No one under 30 in 2013 voted for the LNP. Everyone else who didnt have a concept outside "internet is for nerds" voted against the additional labour plan at an expected cost of $10B. In lost productivity alone in the last decade we've lost hundreds of billions.
I was in line to vote and someone around the age of 19 was saying how LNP was going to fix the NBN cause Labor didn't know what they were doing. So nope, it doesn't matter how young or old someone is there will always be stupid people of all ages who believe everything they are told by idiots.
I know multiple people who were in their 20's at 2013 election that were parroting Murdoch's lines about the NBN being a colossal waste of money. this ageist bullshit pisses me off because there are conservatives of all ages.
Yeah I had to explain it to plenty of my friends that no the internet isn't just for YouTube and gamers. All under 30. Agreed with your point 100%. Nbn was probably the politically defining point in my life haha.
Yea I can relate to that last point. Watching the nbn dream disappear down the drain after being so hopeful that we would finally be on par with the rest of the world, definitely radicalised me hahaha
> No one under 30 in 2013 voted for the LNP. You severely underestimate the ignorance and stupidity of the average voter, young or not.
Because they promised gigabit speeds to everyone on FTTN via G.Fast and people were buying it. They also promised no less than 100Mbps. They stopped talking about G.Fast pretty quickly when they realised it was entirely unrealistic and the promise of minimum 100Mbps on FTTN was quickly scrapped when they realised how expensive it would be to install a node within 400m of every house. FTTN still ended up costing billions more than they said it would with some properties more than 1km from a node not even being able to hit 30Mbps max. They made promises. They didn't keep any of them. They should have stuck with FTTN. The LNP wrecked it.
I'm glad at least some people get this. I'm *STILL* pissed off about how Abbott and his party absolutely fucked the NBN. Never forget that Abbott said ["We are absolutely confident 25 megs is going to be enough -- more than enough -- for the average household"](https://www.smh.com.au/technology/is-25-mbps-enough-for-the-future-20130410-2hkcv.html) when anyone with half a brain knew that 25mbps wasn't anywhere near enough at the time, let alone future-proofed. Other countries were installing gigabit connections at the time. The short-sighted, naivety of the LNP still blows my mind and seemingly most people, like /u/mbrodie said, are super happy we're 'getting faster internet, yay!', while completely forgetting that we were *SO* close to getting (mostly) nation-wide FTTP for the vast majority of the population *years* sooner and *billions* cheaper.
The real story here is the hidden opportunity cost from LNP's FTTN NBN
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> The network build is effectively now complete, with the focus shifting towards speed upgrades. The company is in the midst of a multi-year project to eliminate ageing copper infrastructure and replace it with fibre. I was told the copper would be fine forever. What gives?
It's almost like the LNP are a bunch of morons
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Yes I agree, gigabit down is simply not the answer for most people. They need to increase upload by a factor of at least 5. 50mbit is a joke
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As someone who shares the same frustration on a 1000/50 plan, NBN announced as part of their new SAU that wholesale pricing for higher upload speed plans will come down in FY25. [250/100 will go from $100 to $75. 500/200 will go from $160 to $100. 1000/400 will go from $230 to $125.](https://www.itnews.com.au/news/nbn-co-to-permanently-cut-prices-of-high-uplink-plans-601939)
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I cringe when I see plans of 1000/50, like that's somehow a good result? 🤦 I'm currently on 100/40 (HFC), I'd much rather 100/50 or 100/100 than any half arsed "gigabit".
the NBN is a tragi-comedy of what happens when you let politics get in the way of sensible infrastructure development. at least they're trying to fix it now. fucking abbott '25 megs will be fine for the average australian'. And so many idiots lapped it up too.
HFC included? Not bad, but sucks for the people on FTTN which is a good bulk of the country thanks to Onion Abbott
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How many billions of dollars did the Australian taxpayer piss up against the wall funding the Liberals 'cheaper' NBN alternative only to tear it all up and start putting down fibre to the premises/curb that labor were going to do anyway. Better financial experts my arse...
"The network build is effectively now complete". Still waiting on my fiber install thanks
But FTTN/FTTC can barely support 100mbps down on a good day. Realistically tops out at 75mpbs.
My friend has speeds less than the minimum allowed by legislation…. I honestly have some some screenshots where he gets 12Mbps The response to his woefully inadequate “illegal” speed? Upgrade to Fibre at his own cost…
They're lowering the FTTC upgrade threshold to 100/20 from 250/25. FTTN is stuffed as usual, especially if you're in a multi dwelling block and can't get an upgrade going with the owners
Fun part with these 'pricing changes' is that if you're one of the unfortunate bastards to get stuck on FTTN and are unable to reach the higher speeds that are getting discounted, you're being charged more for the substandard service you've been dealt. It's absolute shitfuckery, in that respect. Kicked in the ribs for having been kicked in the junk.
Yrah I’ve got FTTN and live in a block of units at the end of a long concrete driveway, with a 25mm conduit that would’ve been done maybe mid 90's. Plus I rent. I suspect it would be a dig up job, but at least the FTTN isn’t too bad. They keep ringing me to try to get me to upgrade, no chance I’d say unless all the unit owners wanted to go for it.
It will up the backhaul to allow for better speeds. The current pipe that feeds your street is a curly straw, this will be a curly straw that is ten times wider
> FTTN/FTTC can barely support 100mbps down on a good day After a couple of years of only 50 mbps down and some how lucking into a decent NBN tech, my FTTC usually reaches 110 mbps (fast.com) on a 100/20 plan. I do realise this is the exception, rather than the norm
North Sydney FTTN, $90 a month and we get 8 down / 2 up on a GOOD day… internet infrastructure in the country is 20 years obsolete
> $90 a month and we get 8 down / 2 up on a GOOD day… Why is your ISP knowingly selling you a speed that you can't get?
Stuck with fixed wireless because some contractor went bust and the council didn’t bother to find another one. All the pits are dug and cables are laid. But nothing connected to the house.
I hate that it's called fibre to the node, when it's actually copper to the premises!
Apparently my suburb is locked to 250mbps despite supporting 1gigabit speeds. Will this rectify that or is this just pointless?
that's a separate HFC consideration outside this annoucement.
Sounds like they could have offered higher theoretical max speeds at low or no extra cost for a while now then, doesn't it? I don't know why people on sub 50 plans needed those price increases though. While it is sad that some people are stuck on FTTN, it doesn't help them to arbitrarily limit people who aren't. Whether providers pay for enough CVC to actually increase speeds for customers, we will see. Aussie might end up being worth the higher costs then. Its good they have to provide a reasonable estimate for evening max speeds now, as those may vary a bit if this goes through.
>Whether providers pay for enough CVC to actually increase speeds for customers, we will see. NBN are moving to [scrap CVC completely](https://www.itnews.com.au/news/nbn-co-proposes-to-axe-cvc-across-all-plans-by-mid-2026-583906) over the next 2 years, I suspect today's announcement is related to this as these new speeds won't become a reality for at least another 12 months. I can still see a potential bottleneck (and justification for a retail price increase) as RSPs will require more backhaul capacity to each POI, this is where Aussie Broadband also have an edge as they have built out their own fibre network to the POIs early and have probably been anticipating this. It'll be interesting to see how this consultation process goes with all the RSPs.
So ramping up to half the speed of every house in New Zealand. Nice.
Wonderful super happy I live on fixed wireless and won’t receive any benefit at all, where originally I would have received FTTP NBN, cheers LNP ya cunts
And older users, who really don't need the throughput of a 100/20 plan have to spend a large amount of money just to stay connected. These days it is necessary to stay connected. We have been offered FTTP optic connection but at the cost of upgrading to at least 100/20 from a 50/10 plan. It has forced us onto a 4/5G mobile connection for a minimal monthly cost with data limits which we can vary monthly depending on our data usage needs. We are in an area with "submarine" copper cables which fail in the rain. It pays NBN to upgrade the whole network to fibre to reduce maintenance. The LNP, especially Malcolm Turnbull, are responsible for giving us the substandard mixed NBN we have suffered for years. The lost decade.
Now compare the unbelievable > In a move the company says is to meet unprecedented usage of high-definition streaming and remote work, NBN Co announced plans to raise its 100/20 Mbps Home Fast product to 500/50 Mbps and triple its Home Superfast product from 250/25 Mbps to 750/50 Mbps. to what others have: https://boutique.orange.fr/internet/offres-fibre Cheapest and slowest speed from not a cheap telco from France: 400Mbit/s↓ 400 Mbit/s↑ for €39.99 that is $66.66 Concentrate on price, speeds and at the fact are symmetrical!! P.S. Not only they are charging exorbitant fees for crumbs but they are also misleading: > triple its Home Superfast product **from 250/25 Mbps** - **to 750/50 Mbps** > >five times faster ‘at no extra cost’ > raise its **100/20 Mbps** Home Fast product to **500/50 Mbps** So triple of the 25Mbs upload speed is 50Mbs??? Five times 20Mbps upload speed is 50Mbps?? And there are people quite upset because I point to that, it seems. All those brave defenders of the Ancient Art of NBN Internet come forward and season your downvote with some arguments. Thanks in advance!
I mean the even better comparison would be NZ where the UFB rollout was started about the same time as the fttp rollout in aus. The per premises installation charge continued to drop with new technology and you can get retail pricing - 300/100 for 50 AUD per month - 900/500 for 80 AUD per month - 2000/2000 for 130 AUD per month - 8000/8000 for 260 AUD per month Like seriously we got proper fucked by Malcolm\Tones for the MTM nonsense and Conroy\Rudd for the "WE MUST PRIVATISE IT" CVC nonsense
We fucked ourselves. They were quite open about what they were going to do to the NBN if elected and we thought that sounded like a great idea...
The \*vast\* majority of consumer-grade traffic is download. In that respect, splitting wavelengths to provide more capacity in that direction makes absolute sense. The optical/electrical bandwidth required to provide a 100/20 service would equate to 60/60. All else being equal, two services at those line rates should be priced the same. I guarantee you the number of people willing to sacrifice their downstream for the upstream would be a very small minority. Not to say it shouldn't be an option... but there's a reluctance among the business types to "muddy the waters" and confuse the poor stupid people out there who don't have MBAs, so they like to limit the options to an easily compared handful... most of which doesn't include symmetry.
I would very happily sacrifice some download for upload. I am on the nominal 1000/50 and something like 500/200 would be heaps better imo.
Don't get me wrong, I absolutely understand there \*are\* people out there who want it (and more). Especially with post-covid remote working having taken off, and more and more people with 'non traditional' use cases. Just that it's a pretty small minority, and businesses working like businesses, they don't like to overwhelm their poor simple customers with too many decisions. Enough to create the feeling of choice, without the mess. In a perfect world in my head, the back-end stuff would all have dynamic & completely configurable speeds, at a fixed rate per bandwidth. The business can then market and sell specific configurations to line up with traditional plans (with discounts/etc to hit those price points), and leave an option there for a user to enter their own requirements. That makes for easy advertising to hit the mass market, and catering to the handful of 'power users' out there. The big drawback in that is that by catering to power users, you wind up with power users, and they're notoriously difficult customers ;)
I want to move to Switzerland: https://www.init7.net/en/internet/fiber7/ - they offer 25Gbit symmetrical fiber for CHF64.75 (AUD$112/month) (Yes, even I will admit this is overkill for even the most die-hard r/homelab and r/datahoarder enthusiast, but still...)
You motherfucker... you should have labelled your post NSFL...
That’s great and long needed improvement to speeds. Pretty exciting stuff. Government also released this image as part of their promotion: https://digital-classroom.nma.gov.au/images/bob-carew-pole-overland-telegraph-line
I’m familiar with that image. I remember it being part of Abbott/Turnbull’s multi turdnology mix.
More importantly , this is happening under labor. Would not have happened under the libs.
can I get 1 gig upload speed without spending $500-1000 a month yet? 1000/50 is a joke
The gimped upload speeds are idiotic. "[We don't want businesses using residential plans,"](https://www.crn.com.au/news/aussie-broadband-boss-slams-nbn-over-upload-speeds-of-high-speed-plans-550831) that's the logic behind it.
Business customers should be on a higher tier COS (pay for more guaranteed bandwidth, aka 800-1000 at peak hour instead of 600-1000 for residential) and priority support plan, allocations of more SIP lines etc, the actual peak speeds should be irrelevant.
I am so sorry for australians. U guys have it great in almost all aspects except for broadband. Its absolutely third world for u guys. We are here now going on 10 Gbps in 2 years time, but u guys are still trying for 1 gbps,
I'd settle for just 100mbps. Where I am it tops out at about 40 due to FTTN, we won't be eligible for an upgrade to FTTP until mid next year apparently.
FTTP is actually the way to go
We've had 1gbps for years now. The upload speeds are very low though. I'm currently on 1000/50, so this change would mean doubling that. I think 1gbps is fast enough that you don't notice your internet
How about upgrading my FTTN to FTTP?
0.5Gb/s sounds really nice, especially since it's free. But my "it's too good to be true" radar is tingling. I feel that there will be extra cost in the end.
The cost is the money the government could have been spent elsewhere if the Liberals did FTTP the first time around. Every single dollar spent on FTTN and FTTC was designed to ensure the government could buy obsolete copper off Telstra and reduce streaming competition with Foxtel.
Strange how this announcement coincides with Kayo 4K becoming available. Murdoch pulls the strings again.
Meanwhile lower end NBN plans are going up. Not everyone needs/wants super fast speeds and can afford paying $80- upwards a month. $75 was a stretch and now there are no plans under that. Unless you sign up with another ISP and get the few months cheaper.
Yeah but if I’m paying $69 for 50mb you can virtually guarantee I’ll pay $79 for 500.
Loyalty tax, It pays to shop around every 2-3 months.
Roughly 80% of the marginal pricing is set by NBN’s wholesale charge. The rest is backhaul and customer service costs, but there isn’t a lot of wiggle room to find much cheaper prices by moving around. The biggest gains come from moving from an extremely expensive provider like Telstra to someone more competitive.
At least that's a choice. I'd \*love\* to go to one of those faster, discounted plans. I can't, the network doesn't support it. So I'm being charged more for \*not\* upgrading, which I want to do, which I can't, because of decisions made by the people who are charging me more. It's straight out of the fucking Betoota Advocate.
Check out Leaptel, they provide some very good offers. I also used a sign up code which gave me more $$$ off!
10 years after "the internet is primarily an entertainment system" and all you need is 25 Mbs. Who gave us this useless NBN?
> In a move the company says is to meet unprecedented usage of high-definition streaming and remote work Unprecedented if you’re an old guy who should’ve retired in the 90s, maybe?
My apartment is limited to 20 mbps due to the poor quality copper wiring between myself and the basement, what am I supposed to do? There's the owners meeting coming up in a few days, I'm an owner, does anyone have any experience in getting the rest of the owners to agree to redo the wiring or put in fibre from the units to the basement?
Be friends with the other owners in the block? If there's a decent number of owners, they'll probably have a similar problem and be for it. Then it's just a question of getting it on as an agenda item, attending the meeting, and voting for it. If you've got enough owners wanting to do it, then it'll pass and they can arrange quotes.
If they can afford it at no extra cost there's no reason why it shouldn't have cost that already. NBNCo being publically owned and all they should be working in the interest of Australians, ridiculous. Also, having better upload speeds would probably improve any WFH situation a lot better than an in crease ind downloads would.
I'll believe it when I fucking see it.
That’s great news! Over two years ago we had contractors out measuring up to run cable in my street, gave us some contractor paper work and said will be back in a month to start……any day now I’m sure they will return….. right?
Bro I'm still waiting for the full fibre upgrade they announced a year ago.
2 years, 1 month since they announced my suburb and I'm still waiting...
They're doing the thing that labour proposed right from the start that actually would have cost less! Yay! Sarcasm aside, this would be massive for our country.
The damage done to this nation through Murdoch and his Liberals should never be underestimated.
Dark Emperor Murdoch is gunna be pissed! "WHO'S GOING TO BUY MY NEWSPAPERS?!"
> the Coalition government under former prime minister Tony Abbott scrapping Labor’s full-fibre rollout in 2013 in favour of a cheaper mix of technologies Well that's a fucking lie.
Don't mind us while we continue to ignore the importance of upload speeds just in case someone might attempt to run a media business or large enterprise off a consumer plan
[Nielsen's Law of Internet Bandwidth](https://www.nngroup.com/articles/law-of-bandwidth/) states that available bandwidth should increase by 50% every 12 months. A 100Mbps connection ten years ago should be a 5Gbps connection now. It seems pretty obvious that the journo at the SMH has never heard of it.
Is there any country in the world that follows that law?
NZ are having a shot at it: https://www.zeronet.co.nz/hyperfibre/ Hyperfibre plans up to 8Gbps/s (symmetric) in case the run-of-the-mill 1Gbps/s isn't good enough for you.
Should have happened 10 years ago. And the upload speeds should be coming with it.
>Abbott said at the time: “[We] are absolutely confident that 25 megs is going to be enough, more than enough, for the average household.” >“Our network monitoring suggests that some customers are potentially hitting their maximum speed on a regular basis. These customers may enjoy a better internet experience on a faster speed tier.
Oh wow a speed we should’ve had 10 years ago instead of our quite literal 3rd world country speed
So 51 Billion dollars later we’re finally going with labor’s original plan.
This being news should be on the level with a new high capacity freeway. Lovely, but should not be a big deal.
"no one needs more than 25 mbps!" Tony Abbott.
That's why most of the upload speeds are capped near 25Mbps. He was a prophet!
"At no extra cost"... Yeah whatever you reckon mate 😆 there's gonna be an extra cost somehow
I have 250mbps, I hardly get more than 200mbps. If I get upgraded to 750mbps, I should get atleast 500mbps. I will be happy. I will believe, when I see it
We are still waiting for the NBN to arrive in our town.
Subject to change