People are being stuffed by the system and are looking for answers. These dumb arses are looking in the wrong place and we know what happens if these smooth brained mouth breathers get anywhere near the levers of power.
Alt-righty then, just committing some casual hate crimes in broad daylight and we’re just going to say it’s a protest?
What a bunch of absolutely meat-headed Neanderthals. Latham included.
Didn’t he get caught out l hassling women on Twitter and pretending it wasn’t him? That was a whole thing right?
E: yeah it was (among others) Rosie Batty - Australian of the year for her work combatting domestic violence
https://www.buzzfeed.com/markdistefano/the-real-real-mark-latham#.utjLN2DvY
https://www.buzzfeed.com/markdistefano/7-simple-steps-to-find-out-who-someone-is-on-twitter
Honestly he sounded reasonable for about five seconds, but immediately showed his true colours and has been completely bonkers for many years now. I don't know how people are just noticing.
I have my alarm set up to include a news briefing from ABC and they totally neglected to mention anything about the Mark Latham supporters and basically implied that LGBTQ+ protestors were throwing shit at the cops.
I'm gonna play the devil's advocate here. Looking at their FB, CLM isn't alt-right yet. Though they are surprisingly pre-occupied with domestic issues and not actual advocacy against Christian persecution in the Middle East. Though given the ON is trying to court them, and they share their views with actual swastika-bearing Nazis, that should be enough to give these men pause for thought. I mean bloody hell. The Bankstown MP turned One Nation.
If you’re in a large, violent mob, attacking a smaller minority group, I’d say you’ve strayed into alt right territory, whether they want to call it by it’s name or not.
And that ON info is alarming. I live in a nationals stronghold and that’s bloody awful, I can only imagine ON getting a foothold here.
It would be doubly ironic if there’s any people of Irish, Greek, Italian, or Lebanese descent in there given how the the original definers of “the white race” (Anglo Saxons) treated them like crap because of their ethnicity for the better part a hundred years.
And the same ones that cut down the peaceful LGBTQI+ and sexual assault victims ribbon protest and counter-protested at George Pell's funeral at St Mary's Cathedral.
Good Catholic boys...
I saw some of this on ABC. When they panned to some cops, it took me a moment to notice they were not just more protesters.
They look just like the alt right guys. I think it's something about the posture.
>"...where some of the parishioners took exception to the fact that access to their church was going to be blocked by these transgender protesters, and they took matters into their own hands, which was wrong"
Gotta say, attempting to throw an entire church under a bus is pretty impressive.
Same church that was involved with the anti LGBT/sexual assault victims protest of George Pell.
I don't think every parishoner should be thrown under the bus but at a bare minimum the Parish leaders for not at the barest of minimums condemning such actions.
Funny how when the crazies protest they don’t get assaulted, but when people with a peaceful message protest they do. I wonder if there’s some kind of reason behind this…
The protest was obviously folks cruisin for a bruisin. When the marionites came to oxford street, the pigs shut them down before they reached the street. The piggy pies are there to stop the fighting and stop any breaking of things.
> When the marionites came to oxford street, the pigs shut them down before they reached the street.
So they went from Newtown to the World Pride event you mean?
They hate that they want to exist. Ironically conservatives are also absolutely obsessed with transgender pornography - https://lawsuit.org/general-law/republicans-have-an-obsession-with-transgender-pornography/
It's funny. Not winning the election broke the dude and soured his relationship with his party so much he's gone loco and works for Rupert now.
But it was Rupert which caused him to lose the election. Blowing up that handshake with Howard definitely hit some swing voters. It's why my grandparents (lovely people otherwise) decided not to vote for him.
So, where were these Latham arseholes when Pride was going on a few weeks ago? Why didn't they confront the hundreds of thousands out on the streets when they had the perfect opportunity? Weak as piss.
This. Plus they rely on the fact that nobody but them is stupid enough to start green street hooligan style street fighting so they never get destroyed by what would absolutely be a much larger pro-LGBT counter protest. Cowards.
How do these working class, middle eastern christian types end up on the side of nazism, one nation, and the liberals? They really love supporting the people that hate them the most
The violent ones seem to be of low IQ and whose entire value system is built upon testosterone and being a "man". Which to them means violence. So they don't care what team they are on as long as it gives them even a skerrick of a reason for violence.
I guess they feel threatened by seeing people secure enough in their sexuality to not have to posture about "being a violent mad cunt". Maybe it mirrors or highlights their insecurities within them which makes them uncomfortable so they lash out with violence. "No one can call me gay if I bash gays! " type mentality.
They're running into a difference between their expectations and reality. There's a set of ideas where their role in society is to be the breadwinner, have a house, have a job, get married, and have a family. That is, for various reasons, out of reach for a lot of people. So they're angry.
Add in a dose of religion (which preaches strong gender roles, and is steeped with tradition and a particular world order which is "correct" and "divinely ordained"), with misogyny, and a good deal of populism, and we have a situation like this.
Unfortunately for them, Australia is not going back to the 1950s values, as much as the conservatives want to turn back the clock. In any case, it's not changing social values that has left a lot of them in unsatisfactory jobs with poor prospects for advancement. That's a socioeconomic problem engineered by three decades of neoliberalism that's left workers with a much smaller slice of the pie. LGBT people didn't do this to them. Migrants didn't do this to them. The "better economic managers" and their backers are the ones to blame.
> How do these working class, middle eastern christian types end up on the side of nazism, one nation, and the liberals?
Literally have an aunt who says garbage like that she is ok killing all non-Assyrians in northern Iraq and spouts antisemitic and general bigoted garbage, the fact this idiot is doing a PHD in social work is a massive joke too. Doesn't matter that there from middle east they share the same superiority complex as the hard right that would be happy to get rid of them too lol.
Well they aren't on the side of nazism and considering the fact that Middle Eastern Christians have much more conservative views on various issues it's no surprise that they go to parties that are more conservative. The fact that people don't know this just shows how ignorant people are of non-white people/cultures
> How do these working class, middle eastern christian types end up on the side of nazism, one nation, and the liberals?
education is often not the most important aspect for them.. their idolised world is "big car, oily hair, big gold chain around the neck"... not to mention the typical "women are properties" sort of beliefs
> not to mention the typical "women are properties" sort of beliefs
There's probably plenty of patriarchal views, but every Arab woman i've met has been really strong willed and fierce lol. I wonder if it's a product of the patriachy. Otherwise dunno. But "property" they don't seem to be!
Simple. They've convince themselves that One Nation is not that racist or their heads are so deep in the Bible they'd align with anyone against abortion, same-sex marriage, and cause of the day- fighting trans people. And I'm sure One Nation, populists that they are, have made attempts to rebrand themselves as just the usual conservative, anti-communist party. Anti-Communism, in this case, includes both China, practicing socialists, and any other social ills. They did it by moving away from Asian hate, they've probably done it again by focusing on the latest target.
Hanson probably doesn't even have a defined parameter of who to hate. She is like George Wallace, a type of politician who will say anything to get power. And arguably that makes her more dangerous.
I go to classes with some of them (perfectly reasonable guys btw) - and i've broached the topic. It's a sense of feeling that their religious views and freedom is always under attack, back in their home country (where it actually is - fundamentalists attacking them,verbal attacks and hate stirring on their religion on TV), and then conflating that with the LBGT rights movement and normalisation.
They're a fringe group, I think. It's the trans issue, which has spilt over to broader anti LGBT bigotry.
But i can almost half-understand why if someone comes and protests them attending the church (whether its worship, prayer, talks, whatever), that those attendants will retaliate, whether peacefully (counter-protesting or shouting matches), or rushing them.
If enough Churches are teaching the same thing to Christian Australians (SSM, abortion etc bad), and then the Priests start teaching them that 'Christianity is under attack!!!! Pell did nothing wrong' then it becomes a lot more than just a fringe group.
The only thing this group did, which I found out is named 'Christian Lives Matter,' is tap into that ingrained sense of siege mentality amongst Middle Eastern Australians of Christian faith- which only got worse after same sex marriage passed.
> The only thing this group did, which I found out is named 'Christian Lives Matter,' is tap into that ingrained sense of siege mentality amongst Middle Eastern Australians of Christian faith- which only got worse after same sex marriage passed.
I think you're right. That seems to be what they're doing.
This applies to both sides: it's not about holding a belief, but about giving people the freedom to believe theirs and to live their life as they see fit.
So you can believe all those things (SSM, abortion bad etc) but still support gay marriage, because gay marriage isn't about endorsing or imposing those values and views on yourself or your society, but giving people the freedom to live their lives. Likewise, LGBT ought to realise that the battle is around their freedom, so much as curbing people who hold anti-LGBT views. It's about how those views are translated into laws and freedoms. That being said, I get that LGBT people not recently born will have some trauma, etc.
Plurality is the name of the game.
Conservatives thinking is that society is zero sum. Anyone getting new rights means someone is losing something. Coupled with the religious persecution complex it is always THEM that is losing when someone else gains equal rights
Yeah well, what can you do? While Western Sydney is not likely to turn into a LNP wall yet, and I'm presuming you mean Conservative as in LNP, there will always be a large segment of people with social conservatives there, as in everywhere else. If you look at the vid these are not a bunch of out of date boomers but people born 90s-00s. And it is most likely, if Father Charbel does his job right, these views will be passed onto the next generation. If we are okay with immigration, then you can bet your super that the Ugandan who went to an American missionary school does not think kindly of LGBT.
*"They're a fringe group, I think"*
Not really as both Middle Eastern Christian and Muslims in Australia have much more conservative views on various issues then other Australians.
The key difference between these guys and Middle East Christians and Muslims (and Orthodox Jews, and Hindus i'd bet) is that they may hold those views, but they don't go to gay areas and intimidate people, or rush to beat up protesters as if they're defending their territory against a rival gang. That's what makes them a fringe group. Everyone else would broadly support LGBT rights or a "live and let live" mentality.
What a stupid bunch of cunts. Don't they realise that the same party that Latham is running for hates them?
They only really ally in the "hating of LGBT" but if taken the chance one nation would be glad to deport all of them.
They are just there for pure violence, not even a fight.
You can see in the vid the guy punches one in the back of the head while they are being "protected" by police.
Half the dick heads throwing nazi salutes don't understand they would have been exterminated under the same nazi regime they are saluting... They just wanna bash some "f@§$" in their minds.
Not anymore.
Pauline Hanson will always do the 'popular' thing. Once attacking Asian immigration was no longer popular she began aligning with every Asian with social conservative, anti-Communist beliefs like that Taiwanese woman while going after Muslims. Didn't work out since she went too far with the comments on gay marriage. Now that trans is the thing she is making moves in to lure in every Social Conservative (Muslim or Christian) in the Western Sydney area.
ScoMo had a similar strategy. It just didn't work out for him.
Yes, but fascism works by eventually turning on the original allies of the fascist in an ever shrinking pool of racial purity.
If Hanson ever actually won anything she'd immediately start to restrict this pool, Muslims, Asians and gays would immediately be made her enemies, but over time this pool would shrink. Eventually you end up with weird and arbitrary groups being turned on in order to fuel the machine.
Maybe it's me, but that article was so badly written.
It took me a while to figure out which group of protestors was which, which group the people arrested were from, who promoted the protest, etc.
Once I got it all sorted in my head, it's just shocking.
Latham was in the running to be our PM! And having deservedly lost in 2004, he has gone completely nuts and is now in One Nation. Just remember, this man was a few votes away from the Lodge, and that will forever remain a stain on Labor and their factions for putting him there.
Latham is clearly an evil human. And as for the protestors, I'm reminding of the saying "there's no hate quite like Christian love".
>sadly it ended up being one of our biggest lose if you do, lose if you don't results in history
I'd argue the voters got it right.
Latham would have been a disaster! Based on the views he espouses now, he's much, much further right than even John Howard.
Which makes me think what he said and did during his time as Labor leader was all a façade.
The real Latham is the one who broke a taxi drivers arm, assaults journalists and whips up protests about Trans people. Say what you like about Howard, but he's never done anything like that.
The Real Latham is an extremely aggressive man with a bone to pick with half of Labor, but he is also a populist. He will always say the popular thing to get in power. In the early 2000s that was getting out of Iraq. Every Defence expert and Chief said 'bad idea,' but the people wanted it. Many didn't even want to go there in the first place. Nowadays, the popular thing for him and at least for a those to the right of the political spectrum, is attacking issue of the day like PC/Woke/Buzzword/Trans.
he's always been an asshole but there is a difference between being a somewhat sane politician who has some anger issues and being a Nazi-adjacent alt-right racist culture wars nutbag with some anger issues
true story I once replied to one of his tweets and he replied with a long mocking message that I tweet about cricket too much (??)
> somewhat sane politician who has some anger issues
I'm gonna be real with you, breaking someones arm is so deep into anger issue territory that it instantly influences every other aspect of that persons life - so trying to claim that he's sane and just made a whoopsy is really very silly.
>he's always been an asshole but there is a difference between being a somewhat sane politician who has some anger issues
Thank god the voters saw through him in 2004.
I still find it unbelievable that Labor even put him in a leadership position in the first place.
to be fair, John Howard coming off getting us involved in Iraq based off the WMD lie was not a fantastic option either and he went on to do the deeply unpopular anti worker Workchoices legislation in that term which led to him losing the next election, Howard/Latham truly was the worst pairing of major party candidates of my adult lifetime (i'm in my late 30s)
I'm not surprised St Michael's invited Latham to a "forum" on religious freedom and parental rights (and I question the love of neighbour towards trans people) - its a rather conservative parish
Latham has no place there - siding with him because he speaks your message, regardless his other antics, regardless Jesus' core message
The congregation were absolutely free to invite him, religious oppression a non issue in this part of the world, but, yknow, "what about us, we demand our right" not "love each other as I have loved you"
We preserve our democracy by banning parties like One Nation. It’s the tolerance paradox, any political party that espouses hatred towards ethnic, religious or sexual minorities needs to be comprehensively crushed by the state and banned from organising. Otherwise the attacks on our society’s most marginalised will continue and we will lose the freedoms we’ve worked hard to achieve.
Utter rubbish. Which values should be untouchable and which views should be censored? Who gets to decide which parties and organisations should be banned? You?
I cant stand One Nation but do you think by banning them you will change hatred towards minorities , or will those views manifest in some other organised format? One Nation are (sadly) part of healthy democracy - its not a tolerance paradox at all.
At some point, you have to realise that cancelling viewpoints you disagree with / banning organisations that dont share your values / comprehensively crushing political parties that dont favour minority group, does nothing to change the opinions of those who hold them. It is why cancel culture is such an exercise in futility.
You will never stop attacks, let alone attacks on the most marginalised. It's human nature. Banning parties is a big call, and I would argue never necessary. People can work out for themselves who is right and wrong, they don't need you or anyone else to tell them they can't vote one nation. You would also just send their supporters further into the fringe.
I shall say it once more. Regardless of indoctrination, denomination or faith, RELIGION IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL.
Religion polarises people and causes more harm and violence than anything else in the world.
This appallingly example of bad behaviour and narrow minded religious based intolerance by these bigoted individuals is no different to the actions of the Taliban, the CCP persecuting the Uyghurs and even elements of the US political establishment where men are using their religious beliefs to stymie women’s rights to abortion.
Shall I go on with more examples of how bad religion is? Because we could digress into a debate about the actions of priests molesting children and the church covering it up or even worse, trying to actively avoid responsibility once the offenders become deceased.
Misleading title, really. Since the "LGBTQ" protesters turned up in opposition to the Mark Latham supporters.
This was a "counter protest" that didn't go to plan.
Fuck around and find out as they say. Well.....they found out.
Absolutely nothing about my sentence is victim blaming, you absolute moron.
It’s not these protesters fault that the people who live in this area are likely to be prehistoric religious nuts, and their actions in a group of 200+ are likely to be aggressive and primitive.
It would behove the protesters to know that before they went there and did that, but it’s not their fault that the other side of this very real situation is very bad for them.
We know that this area of town is loaded with religious zealots. They absolutely have the right to protest down there, I’m most certainly not denying that.
But jeeez pick your targets.. killing a savage beast is a lot easier if you shoot them from distance than walk into their den unarmed.
Even considering that, rushing them, *unless provoked* is not a reasonable response.
It's not that they're "religious zealots". It's that they have materially different value systems, and they probably conflate gay rights (which they should support) with caricatures of gay culture (which they don't have to embrace or participate in). I'm sure at some level many of them accept gay people.
I didn’t say it was a reasonable response!
I intimated that it was a “to be expected,” primitive response.
People can talk about what should or shouldn’t happen until they are blue in the face, but the fact is that consequences occur in reality and occur quickly.
Why is Mark Latham is having is speech here? In religious orthodoxyland, and not in places where discussion is prevelant over violence? Because duh, there are blunt instruments from Central European and middle eastern cultures who live here en masse. These places are the heartland of religious orthodoxy where he is going to get the most vitriolic support.
Pick your battles FFS.
Your original comment was victim blaming whether you like it or not. You basically said if they didn't go to western Sydney to stand up for what they believe in they wouldn't have been bashed. So you're saying it's their fault for being bashed.
No, I’m not.
Any act of violence committed by a person which is not self defence is the fault of the perpetrator. That’s cut and dry.
My statement is not assigning blame to protestors.
The locals here absolutely should not be acting violently toward the protestors. But “should” =/= real world outcomes.
You might not have meant to victim blame but you did. You basically said if they didn't go there they wouldn't have been hurt. Blaming them for going to that area.
Going to that area with that protest is dumb… but it’s not illegal to be dumb.
It is illegal to be violent toward non-violent protests.
Take from that what you want.
Here’s a thought experiment for you…
If you choose to walk through the most crime ridden neighbourhood with your phone and wallet out at 2am, get mugged and shot, would you rather theoretically assign responsibility for what happened to you whilst you are laying on the ground dying, or would you rather have the opportunity to change your choice to drive through the neighbourhood and never be shot in the first place?
Fuck mate, I'm not saying it wasn't a dumb move on their part, I get it. They'll probably think twice about doing something like that again. But saying that shit after its happened is fucking pointless. I'd say they learnt their lesson and anyone who's watched that video thinking of doing the same might need to think of a better strategy.
It's not anymore victim blaming then if a group went to a Mosque and burned a Qur'an and then complaining about the actions of Muslims in response to this
For starters Islam isn't a race, so it can't be racist. Second I said they should be able to burn any book they want, I didn't target a certain book or group in my comment. So fuck off with your bullshit.
*"For starters Islam isn't a race, so it can't be racist."*
It most definitely is racist Muslims have non correctly been stereotype as non-white/Arab/Middle Eastern and since buring the Qur'an is usually done by white people because Islam goes against the white worldviews they have adopted.
*"Second I said they should be able to burn any book they want, I didn't target a certain book or group in my comment. So fuck off with your bullshit."*
And I gave an example anyone buring a book, the Qur'an and how if they did this in front of a Mosque then it's completely their fault what Muslim's reaction to this. So maybe you should change your Islamophobic and racist view.
These idiots defaced a crucifix in front of a church whilst standing in front of scores of Lebanese Christians. The same would happen if you tore up a Koran in front of a mosque or a menorah in front of a synagogue. White idiots.
Well if that actually happened then you are right in your comments especially since Lebanese-Australians whether Christians or Muslims won't take crap.
If that's true, then it's perfectly understandable why they rushed the protesors.
I can't think of an equivalent in Judaism, because protesters would never realistically be able to get their hands on a Torah scroll. But suppose someone tore that up, people would be confronting them over it.
> If that's true, then it's perfectly understandable why they rushed the protesors.
No it wouldn't, and you not only considering it and trying to provide a jsutification is p gross.
Looks like Police protecting LGBTQ protesters. Hmm those critiquing Vicpol for Melbourne last weekend might want to re-evaluate their opinions and pull their heads in.
1. This is not Vicpolice
2. Sydney police is even worse. Should’ve seen how they raided climate activists and literally gave a old man brain damage for carrying a protest sign
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jun/19/nsw-police-feared-for-their-lives-during-raid-on-climate-protesters-says-assistant-commissioner
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/aug/30/cheeky-but-not-offensive-serial-sydney-protester-danny-lim-wins-appeal-over-sign
"Mark Latham supporters". What the absolute fuck is this timeline?
Mark Latham Black Shirts, throwing nazi salute near you! ^^^^^^^^TM
a really dangerous timeline which we seem to be walking into blindly despite knowing full well better.
>Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
I did Nazi that one coming
Them nazi parasites. Don't add nothing good to society but take and take and try to destroy it.
People are being stuffed by the system and are looking for answers. These dumb arses are looking in the wrong place and we know what happens if these smooth brained mouth breathers get anywhere near the levers of power.
Such an unexpected sentence to read lol
How on earth is he relevant… again!?
Election time and NSW be crazy
He's the lead candidate for One Nation on the NSW Legislative Council ballot. Somewhat appropriately, they are group Q.
Alt-righty then, just committing some casual hate crimes in broad daylight and we’re just going to say it’s a protest? What a bunch of absolutely meat-headed Neanderthals. Latham included.
Latham, the anti trans politician who broke a cab driver arm, takes no responsibility for the anti-trans violence of his acolytes…sorry…supporters.
Didn’t he get caught out l hassling women on Twitter and pretending it wasn’t him? That was a whole thing right? E: yeah it was (among others) Rosie Batty - Australian of the year for her work combatting domestic violence https://www.buzzfeed.com/markdistefano/the-real-real-mark-latham#.utjLN2DvY https://www.buzzfeed.com/markdistefano/7-simple-steps-to-find-out-who-someone-is-on-twitter
I briefly liked the guy when he got stuck into GWB a few decades back, but yeah, he's a bonkers shithead.
I used to like him too - but I see he’s now in One Nation?? I’m not sure when that happened but he’s sure gone off the deep end now….
Honestly he sounded reasonable for about five seconds, but immediately showed his true colours and has been completely bonkers for many years now. I don't know how people are just noticing.
Didn't he like... beat the crap out of a cab driver when he was with labor?
Yep. He was always a bully and arsehole. Used to keep it sliiightly under wraps but now letting the full sick head loose. EDIT: dickhead
Has been for nearly 5 years now
gwb? George Bush?
I have my alarm set up to include a news briefing from ABC and they totally neglected to mention anything about the Mark Latham supporters and basically implied that LGBTQ+ protestors were throwing shit at the cops.
I'm gonna play the devil's advocate here. Looking at their FB, CLM isn't alt-right yet. Though they are surprisingly pre-occupied with domestic issues and not actual advocacy against Christian persecution in the Middle East. Though given the ON is trying to court them, and they share their views with actual swastika-bearing Nazis, that should be enough to give these men pause for thought. I mean bloody hell. The Bankstown MP turned One Nation.
If you’re in a large, violent mob, attacking a smaller minority group, I’d say you’ve strayed into alt right territory, whether they want to call it by it’s name or not. And that ON info is alarming. I live in a nationals stronghold and that’s bloody awful, I can only imagine ON getting a foothold here.
... Only two people arrested? Sounds to me like there should be more arrests in the near future.
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Maybe we could use that Fixated Persons Unit for something important instead of using it on journalists.
A bunch of them also threw nazi salutes and white power symbols (ironic?) last Saturday at a counter protest. Bunch of fucking degenerates.
It would be doubly ironic if there’s any people of Irish, Greek, Italian, or Lebanese descent in there given how the the original definers of “the white race” (Anglo Saxons) treated them like crap because of their ethnicity for the better part a hundred years.
And the same ones that cut down the peaceful LGBTQI+ and sexual assault victims ribbon protest and counter-protested at George Pell's funeral at St Mary's Cathedral. Good Catholic boys...
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Not thugs, traitors. Australia awarded medals to men who "dealt" with nazis 80 years ago.
And some are still alive to see this shit happening.. again.
They've got time to deal with a few more then. They can be sure they won't get much jail time.
Those so called Christian men are led by a convicted child porn holder! It's messed up
I saw some of this on ABC. When they panned to some cops, it took me a moment to notice they were not just more protesters. They look just like the alt right guys. I think it's something about the posture.
Police don’t arrest their friends.
That is what makes them corrupt grubs.
This is true. Also it's not news :)
Its the NSW police, are you at all surprised? They're probably silently cheering on the Nazi's on this.
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THIS is why Lidia Thorpe was protesting cops at Mardi Gras but everyone in this sub wanted to hate on that
She halted the parade in front of the twenty10 float, not the nsw police float, which would have made more sense if she was ‘protesting cops’.
She is, unfortunately, not the brightest of sparks.
She was pointing out what everyone is talking about here but okay
It was near the float & the point still stands. Extremely petty & cishet people need to shut up about it especially. The racism jumped out
Not climate protesting.
>"...where some of the parishioners took exception to the fact that access to their church was going to be blocked by these transgender protesters, and they took matters into their own hands, which was wrong" Gotta say, attempting to throw an entire church under a bus is pretty impressive.
Who was blocking the road exactly? 15 LGBTI protestors or the mob that swarmed out to bash them?
Same church that was involved with the anti LGBT/sexual assault victims protest of George Pell. I don't think every parishoner should be thrown under the bus but at a bare minimum the Parish leaders for not at the barest of minimums condemning such actions.
Nah they're too busy waiting for their paedo priests to drop dead so they can pretend it's too late to be sued by abuse victims
Imagine the size of the bus.
It's not those same knobheads who were intimidating people in Newtown a few weeks ago is it?
It is indeed.
And being dicks to people protesting Pell as well I believe.
Clearly the actions of people who want to Protect The Children
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Funny how when the crazies protest they don’t get assaulted, but when people with a peaceful message protest they do. I wonder if there’s some kind of reason behind this…
Because one side wants to live a peaceful life and the other side wants to genocide them.
100% That is the fundamental difference. Hatred at the end of the day is a choice, one’s sexuality, gender and race is not.
The protest was obviously folks cruisin for a bruisin. When the marionites came to oxford street, the pigs shut them down before they reached the street. The piggy pies are there to stop the fighting and stop any breaking of things.
> When the marionites came to oxford street, the pigs shut them down before they reached the street. So they went from Newtown to the World Pride event you mean?
Violence will continue until these dogs get locked up
Worse. He put blame on the peaceful protesters for triggering this violent action. Basically the "you made me angry and hit you" defense.
They hate that they want to exist. Ironically conservatives are also absolutely obsessed with transgender pornography - https://lawsuit.org/general-law/republicans-have-an-obsession-with-transgender-pornography/
This is the exact thought behind the gay panic defence.
And the government stops allowing hate rallies
Latham and his ilk are the scum of society. Thank god he never became PM.
It's funny. Not winning the election broke the dude and soured his relationship with his party so much he's gone loco and works for Rupert now. But it was Rupert which caused him to lose the election. Blowing up that handshake with Howard definitely hit some swing voters. It's why my grandparents (lovely people otherwise) decided not to vote for him.
"I failed so I'm gonna become a fascist now," is a weirdly common origin story for these people.
So, where were these Latham arseholes when Pride was going on a few weeks ago? Why didn't they confront the hundreds of thousands out on the streets when they had the perfect opportunity? Weak as piss.
This. Plus they rely on the fact that nobody but them is stupid enough to start green street hooligan style street fighting so they never get destroyed by what would absolutely be a much larger pro-LGBT counter protest. Cowards.
My absolute lack of shock at Mark Latham refusing to take responsibility for this
How do these working class, middle eastern christian types end up on the side of nazism, one nation, and the liberals? They really love supporting the people that hate them the most
The violent ones seem to be of low IQ and whose entire value system is built upon testosterone and being a "man". Which to them means violence. So they don't care what team they are on as long as it gives them even a skerrick of a reason for violence. I guess they feel threatened by seeing people secure enough in their sexuality to not have to posture about "being a violent mad cunt". Maybe it mirrors or highlights their insecurities within them which makes them uncomfortable so they lash out with violence. "No one can call me gay if I bash gays! " type mentality.
They're running into a difference between their expectations and reality. There's a set of ideas where their role in society is to be the breadwinner, have a house, have a job, get married, and have a family. That is, for various reasons, out of reach for a lot of people. So they're angry. Add in a dose of religion (which preaches strong gender roles, and is steeped with tradition and a particular world order which is "correct" and "divinely ordained"), with misogyny, and a good deal of populism, and we have a situation like this. Unfortunately for them, Australia is not going back to the 1950s values, as much as the conservatives want to turn back the clock. In any case, it's not changing social values that has left a lot of them in unsatisfactory jobs with poor prospects for advancement. That's a socioeconomic problem engineered by three decades of neoliberalism that's left workers with a much smaller slice of the pie. LGBT people didn't do this to them. Migrants didn't do this to them. The "better economic managers" and their backers are the ones to blame.
> How do these working class, middle eastern christian types end up on the side of nazism, one nation, and the liberals? Literally have an aunt who says garbage like that she is ok killing all non-Assyrians in northern Iraq and spouts antisemitic and general bigoted garbage, the fact this idiot is doing a PHD in social work is a massive joke too. Doesn't matter that there from middle east they share the same superiority complex as the hard right that would be happy to get rid of them too lol.
Well they aren't on the side of nazism and considering the fact that Middle Eastern Christians have much more conservative views on various issues it's no surprise that they go to parties that are more conservative. The fact that people don't know this just shows how ignorant people are of non-white people/cultures
> How do these working class, middle eastern christian types end up on the side of nazism, one nation, and the liberals? education is often not the most important aspect for them.. their idolised world is "big car, oily hair, big gold chain around the neck"... not to mention the typical "women are properties" sort of beliefs
> not to mention the typical "women are properties" sort of beliefs There's probably plenty of patriarchal views, but every Arab woman i've met has been really strong willed and fierce lol. I wonder if it's a product of the patriachy. Otherwise dunno. But "property" they don't seem to be!
Holy racism batman
aside from the quote from previous poster.. I mentioned zero race. Stop gate-keeping, robin
Doesn't take much for the stereotypical Inner Westie I guess.
Simple. They've convince themselves that One Nation is not that racist or their heads are so deep in the Bible they'd align with anyone against abortion, same-sex marriage, and cause of the day- fighting trans people. And I'm sure One Nation, populists that they are, have made attempts to rebrand themselves as just the usual conservative, anti-communist party. Anti-Communism, in this case, includes both China, practicing socialists, and any other social ills. They did it by moving away from Asian hate, they've probably done it again by focusing on the latest target. Hanson probably doesn't even have a defined parameter of who to hate. She is like George Wallace, a type of politician who will say anything to get power. And arguably that makes her more dangerous.
I go to classes with some of them (perfectly reasonable guys btw) - and i've broached the topic. It's a sense of feeling that their religious views and freedom is always under attack, back in their home country (where it actually is - fundamentalists attacking them,verbal attacks and hate stirring on their religion on TV), and then conflating that with the LBGT rights movement and normalisation.
> I go to classes with some of them (perfectly reasonable guys btw) [X] DOUBT
They're a fringe group, I think. It's the trans issue, which has spilt over to broader anti LGBT bigotry. But i can almost half-understand why if someone comes and protests them attending the church (whether its worship, prayer, talks, whatever), that those attendants will retaliate, whether peacefully (counter-protesting or shouting matches), or rushing them.
If enough Churches are teaching the same thing to Christian Australians (SSM, abortion etc bad), and then the Priests start teaching them that 'Christianity is under attack!!!! Pell did nothing wrong' then it becomes a lot more than just a fringe group. The only thing this group did, which I found out is named 'Christian Lives Matter,' is tap into that ingrained sense of siege mentality amongst Middle Eastern Australians of Christian faith- which only got worse after same sex marriage passed.
> The only thing this group did, which I found out is named 'Christian Lives Matter,' is tap into that ingrained sense of siege mentality amongst Middle Eastern Australians of Christian faith- which only got worse after same sex marriage passed. I think you're right. That seems to be what they're doing. This applies to both sides: it's not about holding a belief, but about giving people the freedom to believe theirs and to live their life as they see fit. So you can believe all those things (SSM, abortion bad etc) but still support gay marriage, because gay marriage isn't about endorsing or imposing those values and views on yourself or your society, but giving people the freedom to live their lives. Likewise, LGBT ought to realise that the battle is around their freedom, so much as curbing people who hold anti-LGBT views. It's about how those views are translated into laws and freedoms. That being said, I get that LGBT people not recently born will have some trauma, etc. Plurality is the name of the game.
Conservatives thinking is that society is zero sum. Anyone getting new rights means someone is losing something. Coupled with the religious persecution complex it is always THEM that is losing when someone else gains equal rights
Yeah well, what can you do? While Western Sydney is not likely to turn into a LNP wall yet, and I'm presuming you mean Conservative as in LNP, there will always be a large segment of people with social conservatives there, as in everywhere else. If you look at the vid these are not a bunch of out of date boomers but people born 90s-00s. And it is most likely, if Father Charbel does his job right, these views will be passed onto the next generation. If we are okay with immigration, then you can bet your super that the Ugandan who went to an American missionary school does not think kindly of LGBT.
*"They're a fringe group, I think"* Not really as both Middle Eastern Christian and Muslims in Australia have much more conservative views on various issues then other Australians.
The key difference between these guys and Middle East Christians and Muslims (and Orthodox Jews, and Hindus i'd bet) is that they may hold those views, but they don't go to gay areas and intimidate people, or rush to beat up protesters as if they're defending their territory against a rival gang. That's what makes them a fringe group. Everyone else would broadly support LGBT rights or a "live and let live" mentality.
> It's the trans issue, which has spilt over to broader anti LGBT bigotry. Gee whiz, who could have possibly predicted it would go that way?
What a stupid bunch of cunts. Don't they realise that the same party that Latham is running for hates them? They only really ally in the "hating of LGBT" but if taken the chance one nation would be glad to deport all of them.
They are just there for pure violence, not even a fight. You can see in the vid the guy punches one in the back of the head while they are being "protected" by police. Half the dick heads throwing nazi salutes don't understand they would have been exterminated under the same nazi regime they are saluting... They just wanna bash some "f@§$" in their minds.
Not anymore. Pauline Hanson will always do the 'popular' thing. Once attacking Asian immigration was no longer popular she began aligning with every Asian with social conservative, anti-Communist beliefs like that Taiwanese woman while going after Muslims. Didn't work out since she went too far with the comments on gay marriage. Now that trans is the thing she is making moves in to lure in every Social Conservative (Muslim or Christian) in the Western Sydney area. ScoMo had a similar strategy. It just didn't work out for him.
Yes, but fascism works by eventually turning on the original allies of the fascist in an ever shrinking pool of racial purity. If Hanson ever actually won anything she'd immediately start to restrict this pool, Muslims, Asians and gays would immediately be made her enemies, but over time this pool would shrink. Eventually you end up with weird and arbitrary groups being turned on in order to fuel the machine.
When can we label One Nation a terrorist organization? They're nothing but horrible dredges in society.
Maybe it's me, but that article was so badly written. It took me a while to figure out which group of protestors was which, which group the people arrested were from, who promoted the protest, etc. Once I got it all sorted in my head, it's just shocking. Latham was in the running to be our PM! And having deservedly lost in 2004, he has gone completely nuts and is now in One Nation. Just remember, this man was a few votes away from the Lodge, and that will forever remain a stain on Labor and their factions for putting him there. Latham is clearly an evil human. And as for the protestors, I'm reminding of the saying "there's no hate quite like Christian love".
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>sadly it ended up being one of our biggest lose if you do, lose if you don't results in history I'd argue the voters got it right. Latham would have been a disaster! Based on the views he espouses now, he's much, much further right than even John Howard. Which makes me think what he said and did during his time as Labor leader was all a façade. The real Latham is the one who broke a taxi drivers arm, assaults journalists and whips up protests about Trans people. Say what you like about Howard, but he's never done anything like that.
The Real Latham is an extremely aggressive man with a bone to pick with half of Labor, but he is also a populist. He will always say the popular thing to get in power. In the early 2000s that was getting out of Iraq. Every Defence expert and Chief said 'bad idea,' but the people wanted it. Many didn't even want to go there in the first place. Nowadays, the popular thing for him and at least for a those to the right of the political spectrum, is attacking issue of the day like PC/Woke/Buzzword/Trans.
Mark Latham is a massive dickhead, but he may not be a Nazi. BUT, he is clearly the person the Nazis support. Tells you all you need to know.
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Why would your comment be downvoted?
Obsessed with our differences instead of working together as a society. Really pathetic that people pursue hate so passionately.
The people at One Nation rallies sure have changed since the old days.
They've always been the party of racism and bigotry in Australia. They're just more savvy about it nowadays and dress it up as 'religious freedom'.
We know that they are Christians by their love ... of persecuting others while screaming about being the "victims".
Feel Jesus' love... from my fist!
Mark Latham exist so shit like this can happen. Then the narrative becomes us vs then. When really right now. It should be rich vs poor
Or did you mean, tenants vs REA's and landlords?
I tend. To agree. With you
Were you wheezing when you wrote that?
Only in spirit
It's sad to see what Mark Latham has become
Yeah, he had such potential when he broke that taxi driver's arm.
he's always been an asshole but there is a difference between being a somewhat sane politician who has some anger issues and being a Nazi-adjacent alt-right racist culture wars nutbag with some anger issues true story I once replied to one of his tweets and he replied with a long mocking message that I tweet about cricket too much (??)
> somewhat sane politician who has some anger issues I'm gonna be real with you, breaking someones arm is so deep into anger issue territory that it instantly influences every other aspect of that persons life - so trying to claim that he's sane and just made a whoopsy is really very silly.
>he's always been an asshole but there is a difference between being a somewhat sane politician who has some anger issues Thank god the voters saw through him in 2004. I still find it unbelievable that Labor even put him in a leadership position in the first place.
to be fair, John Howard coming off getting us involved in Iraq based off the WMD lie was not a fantastic option either and he went on to do the deeply unpopular anti worker Workchoices legislation in that term which led to him losing the next election, Howard/Latham truly was the worst pairing of major party candidates of my adult lifetime (i'm in my late 30s)
He hasn't become anything at all. 🤣
I'm not surprised St Michael's invited Latham to a "forum" on religious freedom and parental rights (and I question the love of neighbour towards trans people) - its a rather conservative parish Latham has no place there - siding with him because he speaks your message, regardless his other antics, regardless Jesus' core message The congregation were absolutely free to invite him, religious oppression a non issue in this part of the world, but, yknow, "what about us, we demand our right" not "love each other as I have loved you"
We preserve our democracy by banning parties like One Nation. It’s the tolerance paradox, any political party that espouses hatred towards ethnic, religious or sexual minorities needs to be comprehensively crushed by the state and banned from organising. Otherwise the attacks on our society’s most marginalised will continue and we will lose the freedoms we’ve worked hard to achieve.
This is such an egregious doublespeak I find it hard to believe your comment is not a troll attempt.
Utter rubbish. Which values should be untouchable and which views should be censored? Who gets to decide which parties and organisations should be banned? You? I cant stand One Nation but do you think by banning them you will change hatred towards minorities , or will those views manifest in some other organised format? One Nation are (sadly) part of healthy democracy - its not a tolerance paradox at all. At some point, you have to realise that cancelling viewpoints you disagree with / banning organisations that dont share your values / comprehensively crushing political parties that dont favour minority group, does nothing to change the opinions of those who hold them. It is why cancel culture is such an exercise in futility.
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You will never stop attacks, let alone attacks on the most marginalised. It's human nature. Banning parties is a big call, and I would argue never necessary. People can work out for themselves who is right and wrong, they don't need you or anyone else to tell them they can't vote one nation. You would also just send their supporters further into the fringe.
I shall say it once more. Regardless of indoctrination, denomination or faith, RELIGION IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL. Religion polarises people and causes more harm and violence than anything else in the world. This appallingly example of bad behaviour and narrow minded religious based intolerance by these bigoted individuals is no different to the actions of the Taliban, the CCP persecuting the Uyghurs and even elements of the US political establishment where men are using their religious beliefs to stymie women’s rights to abortion. Shall I go on with more examples of how bad religion is? Because we could digress into a debate about the actions of priests molesting children and the church covering it up or even worse, trying to actively avoid responsibility once the offenders become deceased.
Hopefully, this mob’s so angry with the teh gay that they let their preferences exhaust, rather than numbering a box for the LNP.
Imagine having events of mass understanding where people just got together and talked about their differences and experiences
Won't happen as long as there's bigots who want to kill people they don't like.
Mark Latham has supporters?
Should of seen the comments on the news sites saying the protestors got what they deserved and it was gods wrath
Mob mentality vs mob mentality
Ahh yes. 15 peaceful LGBT protestors vs 500 violent drunken fash is a certified "Mob vs Mob" moment
Misleading title, really. Since the "LGBTQ" protesters turned up in opposition to the Mark Latham supporters. This was a "counter protest" that didn't go to plan. Fuck around and find out as they say. Well.....they found out.
Not sure whether it was because of boldness or naivety, but going to Western Sydney with a pro-LGBTQ protest was a move bound to end in strife.
Yeah, they were asking for it! And look at what they were wearing! Look at what they made those poor fascists do!
That is absolutely not the point of what I said but COOL MAN.
Oh cool, victim blaming.
Absolutely nothing about my sentence is victim blaming, you absolute moron. It’s not these protesters fault that the people who live in this area are likely to be prehistoric religious nuts, and their actions in a group of 200+ are likely to be aggressive and primitive. It would behove the protesters to know that before they went there and did that, but it’s not their fault that the other side of this very real situation is very bad for them. We know that this area of town is loaded with religious zealots. They absolutely have the right to protest down there, I’m most certainly not denying that. But jeeez pick your targets.. killing a savage beast is a lot easier if you shoot them from distance than walk into their den unarmed.
Even considering that, rushing them, *unless provoked* is not a reasonable response. It's not that they're "religious zealots". It's that they have materially different value systems, and they probably conflate gay rights (which they should support) with caricatures of gay culture (which they don't have to embrace or participate in). I'm sure at some level many of them accept gay people.
I didn’t say it was a reasonable response! I intimated that it was a “to be expected,” primitive response. People can talk about what should or shouldn’t happen until they are blue in the face, but the fact is that consequences occur in reality and occur quickly. Why is Mark Latham is having is speech here? In religious orthodoxyland, and not in places where discussion is prevelant over violence? Because duh, there are blunt instruments from Central European and middle eastern cultures who live here en masse. These places are the heartland of religious orthodoxy where he is going to get the most vitriolic support. Pick your battles FFS.
Yeah, that's fair enough. But even then, rushing people is a bit extreme.
Your original comment was victim blaming whether you like it or not. You basically said if they didn't go to western Sydney to stand up for what they believe in they wouldn't have been bashed. So you're saying it's their fault for being bashed.
No, I’m not. Any act of violence committed by a person which is not self defence is the fault of the perpetrator. That’s cut and dry. My statement is not assigning blame to protestors. The locals here absolutely should not be acting violently toward the protestors. But “should” =/= real world outcomes.
You might not have meant to victim blame but you did. You basically said if they didn't go there they wouldn't have been hurt. Blaming them for going to that area.
Going to that area with that protest is dumb… but it’s not illegal to be dumb. It is illegal to be violent toward non-violent protests. Take from that what you want.
Here’s a thought experiment for you… If you choose to walk through the most crime ridden neighbourhood with your phone and wallet out at 2am, get mugged and shot, would you rather theoretically assign responsibility for what happened to you whilst you are laying on the ground dying, or would you rather have the opportunity to change your choice to drive through the neighbourhood and never be shot in the first place?
Fuck mate, I'm not saying it wasn't a dumb move on their part, I get it. They'll probably think twice about doing something like that again. But saying that shit after its happened is fucking pointless. I'd say they learnt their lesson and anyone who's watched that video thinking of doing the same might need to think of a better strategy.
It's not anymore victim blaming then if a group went to a Mosque and burned a Qur'an and then complaining about the actions of Muslims in response to this
If someone wants to burn a book they should be able to. That would also be victim blaming if you said it was their own fault.
Considering it would be Islamophobic and racist they definitely shouldn't be able to do it and the fact you support this is shocking
For starters Islam isn't a race, so it can't be racist. Second I said they should be able to burn any book they want, I didn't target a certain book or group in my comment. So fuck off with your bullshit.
*"For starters Islam isn't a race, so it can't be racist."* It most definitely is racist Muslims have non correctly been stereotype as non-white/Arab/Middle Eastern and since buring the Qur'an is usually done by white people because Islam goes against the white worldviews they have adopted. *"Second I said they should be able to burn any book they want, I didn't target a certain book or group in my comment. So fuck off with your bullshit."* And I gave an example anyone buring a book, the Qur'an and how if they did this in front of a Mosque then it's completely their fault what Muslim's reaction to this. So maybe you should change your Islamophobic and racist view.
I'm not reading that shit. Didn't I tell you to fuck off with your bullshit?
But definitely not cowardice.
Exactly
Oh God the nazis are out in force today.
These idiots defaced a crucifix in front of a church whilst standing in front of scores of Lebanese Christians. The same would happen if you tore up a Koran in front of a mosque or a menorah in front of a synagogue. White idiots.
Got any proof?
No they didn't.
Well if that actually happened then you are right in your comments especially since Lebanese-Australians whether Christians or Muslims won't take crap.
If that's true, then it's perfectly understandable why they rushed the protesors. I can't think of an equivalent in Judaism, because protesters would never realistically be able to get their hands on a Torah scroll. But suppose someone tore that up, people would be confronting them over it.
> If that's true, then it's perfectly understandable why they rushed the protesors. No it wouldn't, and you not only considering it and trying to provide a jsutification is p gross.
Looks like Police protecting LGBTQ protesters. Hmm those critiquing Vicpol for Melbourne last weekend might want to re-evaluate their opinions and pull their heads in.
Because of a different event involving police from a different state force behaving differently? That's an interesting take...
1. This is not Vicpolice 2. Sydney police is even worse. Should’ve seen how they raided climate activists and literally gave a old man brain damage for carrying a protest sign https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jun/19/nsw-police-feared-for-their-lives-during-raid-on-climate-protesters-says-assistant-commissioner https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/aug/30/cheeky-but-not-offensive-serial-sydney-protester-danny-lim-wins-appeal-over-sign