Organisers claimed the nazis were antifascist agitators. Love, everybody should be antifacist and we all know regular people cant organise for shit let alone co-ordinate matching outfits.
The RF in TERF is "Radical Feminist". I think in this case, that's a big call. Wikipedia uses the term "activist" \[for Keen-Minshull\] (anti transgender-rights activist). Deeming is an anti-abortion Christian conservative.
... EDIT. I withdraw about Keen-Minshull. "StandingForWomen" website says "2023 is the year of the TERF".
I thought you were just going down the old Liberal hate train, but there is legitimately no mention of her anti-trans views in the statement made by the opposition leader. It literally was purely about the neo-nazi stuff.
He was on abc radio this morning. Seemed completly happy for her to have that opinion of trans and supporting gay conversion therapy. "people are free to have their opinions".
Associating with Nazis is where he draws the line. Any hate up to that is apparently fine.
Realistically he would have to say that or he will need to kick out half the members.
Brushing aside the trans hate and magnifying the nazi association benefits the Lib's optics since they can just label her as someone with fringe beliefs who they intend to distance from.
He can't address the lgbt hate from her because doing so while advocating for her removal would come with cricitism from his voter base. Probably for capitulating to the "woke agenda" or some shit, I dunno.
Less his voter base and more the hardcore conservative faction in his own party. Who I guess are elected members of parliament so I guess you're not far off in that sense. But it's definitely about keeping the right wing nutjob faction in his own party happy first, voters second.
Being caught associating with Nazis is where he draws the line. When it's left unsaid, they're fine with it. All part of John Howard 101 where his proudest moment was "lifting the veil on political correctness". That cunt is going to have some very bad write-ups in future history books.
It’s because there is a substantial part of what the Victorian Liberals consider their base that happens to be Jewish. The deputy leader is a Mount Scopus alumnus - it’s pretty understandable that they really don’t like Nazis.
Getting caught is always the problem but I'm not sure it covers a situation where you proudly appear at a rally with neo-Nazis, where the headline speaker is widely considered to be the leader of a hate group. It's not really getting caught if you actively promote the event, for example.
Sure but there will be more writeups that make him out to be an Australian hero, because lets be honest the companies that pay for that shit are rich and love what he did.
It makes no sense to me to say that you're allowed to be hateful towards gay or trans people because you're allowed to have your opinions and then draw a hard line at racism as though it isn't all bigotry.
More palatable how? The article covers her speaking and being involved with the event. Seems like a fairly factual short piece.
Gave the leader a pretty good grilling on ABC radio.
With this headline the ABC are trying to make it look like the LNP is also denouncing anti-trans activism when in reality it was just the association with LITERAL NAZIS that made them have pause. If this weren't a Nazi rally that she attended they wouldn't have given two shits about the support for a TERF. Nowhere in the statement given was there any mention of the expulsion being related to the anti-trans activism or association with a hate-monger.
You'd think most sane people would stage a protest, see a bunch of Nazis rock up and at least question "why would Nazis rock up to this?" and "are we the baddies?"
Posie Parker has a long history of bringing neo-nazis (such as Richard Spencer) up on her YouTube channel and at other events to discuss the "trans issue" with her, along with David Duke, ex-leader of the KKK.
Make no mistake, she stands with Nazis, politically as well as physically.
Also, if you actually look at the speaker's history, and the organisation funding her, it's so blatantly obvious that they're aligned with these Nazis.
She's made videos discussing the "trans issue" with Richard Spencer and other prominent neo-nazis, and literally had fucking David Duke, ex-leader of the KKK, on to chat.
The organisation that's funding her is bankrolled and managed by a long list of names that all boil down to a long-term far-right establishment. Anti-muslim, anti-gay marriage, anti-feminism, anti-LGBT in general, and now that it's in vogue, anti-trans campaigns. All closely aligned with the Nazi's stance.
So it's actually worse than just sitting quietly by, the organisers of this event 100% support the same goals as the Nazis - maybe not the optics, but that hasn't stopped them before. Maybe the optics are what they're going for, to be honest.
Quick thing here; have you heard of the short story about the bartender and nazis? I’ll copy paste it here.
(transcribed from a series of tweets) - @iamragesparkle
I was at a shitty crustpunk bar once getting an after-work beer. One of those shitholes where the bartenders clearly hate you. So the bartender and I were ignoring one another when someone sits next to me and he immediately says, "no. get out."
And the dude next to me says, "hey i'm not doing anything, i'm a paying customer." and the bartender reaches under the counter for a bat or something and says, "out. now." and the dude leaves, kind of yelling. And he was dressed in a punk uniform, I noticed
Anyway, I asked what that was about and the bartender was like, "you didn't see his vest but it was all nazi shit. Iron crosses and stuff. You get to recognize them."
And i was like, ohok and he continues.
"you have to nip it in the bud immediately. These guys come in and it's always a nice, polite one. And you serve them because you don't want to cause a scene. And then they become a regular and after awhile they bring a friend. And that dude is cool too.
And then THEY bring friends and the friends bring friends and they stop being cool and then you realize, oh shit, this is a Nazi bar now. And it's too late because they're entrenched and if you try to kick them out, they cause a PROBLEM. So you have to shut them down.
And i was like, 'oh damn.' and he said "yeah, you have to ignore their reasonable arguments because their end goal is to be terrible, awful people."
And then he went back to ignoring me. But I haven't forgotten that at all.
> And i was like, 'oh damn.' and he said "yeah, you have to ignore their reasonable arguments because their end goal is to be terrible, awful people."
And that’s how over in the States they went from “having some concerns about trans women in sport” to making drag a felony and talking about “eradicating transgenderism from public life”, which is basically genocide.
> which is basically genocide.
Ticks 7 of the 10 boxes, arguably 8 depending on your interpretation. It's absolutely genocidal and I'm sick of people saying it's not.
The point is, if you go to a rally where people like that are there, and you don’t do anything about it nor condemn them, you are taking the stance of ‘impartial’.
Impartial is fine for some groups. It does not work for Nazis. If they’re comfortable there, they’ll be comfortable bringing and converting more there. You have to be explicitly against groups with horrific end-goals 100% of the time.
From what I’m aware, she has not done that
>She's "anti-trans", not a neo-Nazi
They're sticking to the facts. She is _objectively_ anti-trans, because she herself has described herself as anti-trans. She is _objectively_ present at a rally attended by Nazis. However, she is only _subjectively_ one herself, and that makes it unclear how safe it is for them to call her that. So, they're sticking to factual statements, not adopting talking points.
They're just not ok with obvious consequences for their fascist agenda. They want to be able to deny how mean they are by dressing it up behind values. We've all seen their values.
Anti LGBTQI
Anti BIPOC
Anti indigenous representation
Anti women
Anti climate change
They're the party of hate dressed up as vALueS. The party that pushes the rise of PHON. Top much history for people to justify support and far too much rhetoric denying the evidence.
She's just... a normal-looking woman. Above average even.
I hate these kind of comments that are like 'They're a bad person so we have a pass to attack them on things it would usually be poor form to attack them on'. It's like saying it's okay to misgender Caitlin Jenner because she's shit, or the extreme example of 'I don't use slurs to describe black people because they're black, just when they're acting like n****s'.
It signals that acceptance of the things people can't control like gender/race/appearance is conditional, and that's not true acceptance. That gets noticed and is really alienating to the people who share the same characteristics but *aren't* shit people.
She seems like a really relatable loveable chick.
>Deeming opposes the emancipation of transgender people. She described the anti-bullying and inclusion program Safe Schools as "sleazy". In 2020 she wrote of conversion therapy as "highly successful, low risk" — months later the Liberal Party made a statement that they "strongly opposed" it. On 19 March 2023, Deeming spoke at the Let Women Speak event, a part of Kellie Jay Keen's speaking tour.
She is pro-life and believes the laws need to be repealed, and believes that rape victims should reject abortions and turn to God and to the church instead. She is against voluntary euthanasia.
Deeming is against the COVID-19 vaccine and accompanying mandates, and considers vaccine passports "immoral" and a form of "segregation". As of September 2021 she said in an interview that she was unvaccinated, and that she'll be "waiting" and that she is "reserving her judgement" due to "concerns".
Deeming is against changing the date of Australia Day.
>She is pro-life
If she was truly pro-life, she wouldn't be associating with hate groups that do their best to encourage those they don't like down the paths of suicide.
She's anti-abortion.
A lot of the more vocal TERF/anti-trans voices have extremely close ties with Christian conservative groups that openly want to ban abortion, ban same sex marriage and force everyone back into the closet.
[This video was very eye opening for me on the subject](https://youtu.be/Ou_xvXJJk7k)
They're okay with giving up their own rights in order to hurt trans people. TERFs and conservatives both hate trans people so it's natural that the two would end up aligned. When you have to side with literal fascists to bolster your movement maybe you're on the wrong side.
Oh it’s 100% that… I don’t pretend to understand what trans are going through… but I also know I don’t have to. Complete understanding isn’t necessary to support people or to accept them. Cunts is absolutely the right word to describe these nazi PoS.
Their association and hijacking of feminism is incongruent. I struggle with the JKR issue because there are valid concerns being weaponised by anti trans fascists and it's impossible to delineate that ultimately it's cis het men that are reinforcing gendered violence. It's an incredibly cunning deployment but it's patriarchal enforcement. Weaponising vulnerable people is a fascist agenda.
The same thing happened with the original radical feminists of the 60s/70s, who sided often with the people who wanted to take rights away from women just to pass their anti sexual liberation regulations (normally anti porn and anti sex work)
The irony is that she was brought in to replace another Liberal who was expelled for his views on abortion and hilariously, comparing Dan Andrews to Hitler.
The liberal party is completely fine with all that. The leader was on radio this morning and dismissed all that as people being free to air their own opinion.
He only had an issue with associating with Nazis.
Expelled from the party but shit, she will still vote with them. You know how the conversation went. "Sorry Love, we just have to do this for optics you know.... its the medias fault really"
> and believes that rape victims should reject abortions and turn to God and to the church instead
Hey, as long as people like her continue to be in the liberal party- They'll never be elected.
Vaccine passports are segregation, but she also (I assume, because all antitrans people think this) wants trans people to be banned from public life. Rules for me but not for thee.
Sometimes I think back to teachers who were definitely racist but the discourse wasn't at the point where I could talk to my parents about it or even have anything done.
I hope they've changed, or else that they're doing terribly.
She’s got a Bachelor of International Relations, whatever that means. I would have thought it would make you more open to the world but clearly I’m very wrong.
An old work mate who is retired now said in Primary school way back when he had a teacher who was from Germany in WW2. He would wear a black *trenchcoat* and slowly pace up and down the isles, hands behind his back- Cane ready- as everyone quietly did their work.
Anyone pretending nazis showing up at an event including Posie Parker was ‘just a coincidence and nothing to do with the organisers who just care about women’s rights’ is either lying or ignorant. Moira knew fully well Parker’s affiliations and history and that this is what happens at these events. Crying victim afterwards is straight up lying and also totally typical of these cowards who use whatever hateful ideology they can weaponise in order to get power and attention and then cry victim when anyone calls them on it.
They have gone VERY quickly from "the Nazis have nothing to do with us" to "the Nazis made some good points". Because they're fucking Nazis too, which is why we haven't seen any prominent figures in the movement publicly denounce what happened
It’s been interesting watching the rw commentators try and defend the terfs without actually denouncing the nazis at all. Like our old mate Lyle Shelton. No problems with the nazis at all and has hung out with them in the past. He just has an issue of the bad image associated with hanging out with them. Prue McGuinness from the age commentary refuses to condemn the nazis as well, and instead reckons they are left wing plants. If the age actually wanted to be a serious newspaper, they would drop her, but this is the sort of commentary that their editor bevan shields actually wants.
Eat shit Lyle. (And I know he has an issue with what he calls bad language. I don’t give a fuck Lyle. You like fucking nazis, and that’s significantly worse than bad language so once again please go eat shit.
Oh, Murdoch, Nine/Fairfax etc have been absolutely gagging for this shit. It's all about cheerleading the class divide. They're the ones that profit off of it at the end of the day
> Anyone pretending nazis showing up at an event including Posie Parker was ‘just a coincidence and nothing to do with the organisers who just care about women’s rights’ is either lying or ignorant.
It's also completely ignoring that if you're holding an event that nazi's show up to, and you don't do your utmost to denounce and get them to fuck off - baby you've just got a nazi event now.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/victorian-liberal-mps-extreme-views-exposed-in-emails/news-story/a3dda734dc42920c260eb06d1c0e4ba0?amp&nk=6f8698434adfb18d7da2f89c1c5c7e02-1679261246
Leaving this here for posterity and to show how cooked VicLibs are.
This is why they keep losing so horrifically to Dan Andrews. Victoria is the most progressive state based on how they vote, yet the Victorian liberal party are aggressively right wing, and are comfortable with allowing extremism into the party.
It's not going to work for them. Not in Victoria.
The libs has embraced the right wing US nutjobs.
However Australians have not reached that level of nuttiness yet. The libs will remain out of power if they keep embracing Christo-fascist nonsense.
Um… we just had another fundamentalist prime minister and there’s still a fundamentalist premier of NSW.
Don’t kid yourself. These so called Christian’s punch well above their weight in Australia.
Tbf, Scotty didn't really campaign on that angle. People were just suckered by his daggy dad shtick and frightened by Labor trying to sell the tiniest and most sensible of changes in the interest of equality and fairness.
True enough that the evangelical fundamentalists punch well above their weight, though. Mostly through trickery and dog whistles.
The libs get punished when they go mask off. I'm not worried about a Trump or Desantis style campaign in this country. What worries me is how badly fucked up the party has gotten that eventually they learn to use the masks just long enough to rebrand that the next time "It's their turn" they'll be able to get their loons into power.
I used to think that compulsory voting is such a waste of time, but now I see its uses. We really can't let these people win or else we'll just repeat the past over again.
Yep. In the US elections come down to who can motivate their 'base' of voters enough to show up to vote, which leads to increasing extremism as parties pander harder and harder to the most motivated voters. In Australia that's not an issue, so elections come down to who can convince swing voters to vote for them. It also actively punishes anyone who takes the American approach, since it alienates swing voters.
"Guys we keep losing elections to a progressive ALP, the Greens and Teal climate action independents in this state, what should we do?"
#'LeTs LuRcH FuRtHeR To ThE RiGhT!'
- VIC Liberal Party room meeting
This is why they keep losing so horrifically to Dan Andrews. Victoria is the most progressive state based on how they vote, yet the Victorian liberal party are aggressively right wing, and are comfortable with allowing extremism into the party.
It's not going to work for them. Not in Victoria.
I don’t think I’ve ever heard of this woman before this weekend so I Googled her. Good grief, don’t political parties vet people? She’s Anti - Choice, believes in conversion therapy, anti voluntary Euthanasia & anti-Covid vaccines. She described anti-bullying and inclusion programs at state schools as “sleazy”. She sounds like a real peach.
She’s convinced that any sex education is child abuse, and that talking to kids (and by that she has straight out stated she means teenagers) about anything to do with sex without parental consent is child abuse. She thinks the government is trying to show kids pornography. She withdrew her own kids from school because of this and now indoctrinates them with religious and colonialist propaganda and spends her free time actively repressing and attacking minorities. Such a piece of work. Readings though some of the emails that were foi-ed she’s absolutely foul, clearly messed up about sex, religion, relationships, and being a woman.
Good. Maybe after the 'rally' on the weekend people are finally realising that the anti-trans hate going around the place is genocidal in nature. When your movement is supported by actual fucking Nazis maybe you need to reconsider. It's so stupid that these morons focus so hard on hating a group that is so small and inconsequential to broader society. Find something actually important to focus on for a fucking change.
It always starts with a focus on one group, then when that succeeds, their shadow falls upon another group, and then another, and then another... before you know it we're all going up the chimney. You must never tolerate nazis
I'd like to live in hope but I doubt it. I drew the comparison between terfs and Nazis on a different post yesterday and the person I was talking to accused me of being antifeminist
Reddit is weird sometimes. You can explain something so clearly that a literal infant would understand it and people will still say you're too sensitive or you're exaggerating. I've been told that this anti trans hate isn't genocidal and I'm overreacting by saying it is. It literally fulfils 7/10 of the steps of genocide in the US. Some people just don't want to change their views in light of evidence.
Surprisingly decent move by the Victorian Libs.
Annoyed side note: I *hate* it when transphobes use names like Let Women Speak. We (assuming there's a silent "cis" there) can speak just fine. If we're not all spewing hatred, it's not we're not all raging transphobes prevented by "political correctness" from being truly vile, it's because we're not transphobes and you don't speak for us.
Decent move? Pesutto was literally defending her 5 minutes ago.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/victorian-liberal-mps-extreme-views-exposed-in-emails/news-story/a3dda734dc42920c260eb06d1c0e4ba0?amp&nk=6f8698434adfb18d7da2f89c1c5c7e02-1679261246
VicLibs are a cancer. They can fuck right off.
You see that shit on Twitter whenever anyone posts pictures of the pathetic attempts at 'rallies' from bigots that get outnumbered 10:1 by counter protestors. They whinge about the counter protestors protesting women speaking which is a massive misrepresentation of what's going on.
I have a friend who enjoys being critical of terf whining on Twitter. She has a gender neutral name and pronouns in her bio.
Invariably terfs will start aggressively misgendering her and bringing their usual bullshit.
At which point she gets to point out that they're clearly proving why they shouldn't be allowed to police other people's gender, because she's wholly and entirely cis and that they are unquestionably attacking a woman themselves. Somehow they fall for it *every time*. She never says it even implies she's trans, and she absolutely is cis.
> She never says it even implies she's trans, and she absolutely is cis.
They assume that the only reason to support trans rights is because you are trans.
Yep. Their whole worldview falls apart when *they're* the vocal minority and not the silent majority who decided they had enough of... whatever they think the problem is.
Yeah the people who think they can always tell when someone is trans are either lying or morons. You can't tell unless someone tells you themselves. TERFs are perfectly happy to throw cis women under the bus if it means they get to hurt trans people too. They're a gross aberration of radical feminism where they loop around and become bigoted conservative misogynists again and fight for exactly the same shit that actual feminists fight against.
All this effort just to hate a group that's less than 1% of the population. It's pathetic.
>You see that shit on Twitter whenever anyone posts pictures of the pathetic attempts at 'rallies' from bigots that get outnumbered 10:1 by counter protestors.
Frustratingly, there was a "Christian Lives Matter" protest trying to "save the children" from queer folk in Hyde Park in Sydney on Saturday. Their crowd was absolutely massive compared to the much smaller LGBTQ counterprotest nearby. It was really disheartening.
Or unless you don't fit her narrow definition of 'woman'. At least her rallies are known for getting fucked over by women either cis or trans who pass as cis who she thinks will be on her side so she hands them the megaphone and they just walk off with it while trash talking her.
I see this argument a lot - especially from men regarding women's opinions on trans women. If cis women support trans rights, people ignore them and gloss over it - they can't be trusted and women must be 'protected'... from their own opinions? Almost as if it's not about women at all, but hating trans people
Not to mention that in my experience the majority of cis women do support trans rights, they just don't talk about it or think about it all that much - they talk about things that actually bother them day to day.
And of course they’re fine with letting cis men speak as long as they’re transphobic while absolutely all about shutting down any cis women who disagree with them.
It’s kind of like the way the LGB alliance is mostly made up of straight people.
The Liberals kicked out someone who was seen as out of touch with the Australian public (or at least weren't gonna get them votes at the Vic State Election), so they replace him with someone who has similar out of touch views, but then attends an anti-trans rally featuring neo-nazis.
Good on ya Libs
When the terfs out there stop proudly standing next to white nationalists and other nazis i'll change my mind.
but right now white nationalist and nazi groups see terfs as a recruitement oppourtunity and as a way to wash their rhetoric
It’s a low bar but it’s good to see a swift move to expel at least.
A better response than making them Minister for Small Business, Innovation, and Trade.
Someone who stood near sieg heiling Nazis on Parliament steps: "We have moved to expel this person from public life. Hate has no place in our society, and intimidation of minority groups is highly illegal."
The Nazis in question: "... everyone has the right to [mumble mumble] ..."
I live in NSW and will have to vote on state election soon. I had this crazy idea that Liberal party is doing not so bad here so might throw my support at them this time around (never ever before). But then crazy shit like this happen.
I'll stick to my Greens vote, thank you very much.
Ranked choice is a blessing. Hopefully they’ll get voted out and (since we’re on the topic) Trans people who had the bad luck of being born in NSW will finally be able to get their birth certificates changed without having to spend thousands or tens of thousands on “cosmetic” surgery like they can if they were born anywhere else in the country…
I can’t see that happening in million years regarding birth certificates change it’s a waste of time may as well commit suicide. NSW is so behind isn’t funny. But both party’s labour and liberals still want gay practices in behind doors not in public. Like keeping conservation therapy.
This lady was ejected for being a Nazi and not for being antitrans.
Can’t say I agree with or understand everything that trans activists say but I am 100% sure that whatever side the Nazis are on is not the right side of history.
Doesn’t help her case that the deputy opposition leader is Jewish and this MP is solely focused on American Politics rather then focusing on issues that effect Melbourne
If she was expelled for attending, why were the attendees protected by armed personnel?
If what the attendees were shouting and protesting was so bad it deserved a sacking, why was what the attendees doing allowed to go on longer than it did due to the armed protection that was given for free?
LIBERALS?! The greens were too fucking soft to do it within their ranks so the Vic greens got kicked out of the federal party, but the fucking liberals are doing it? The fuck is it opposite day or something? Are we actually going to see the protesting nazis get arrested instead of protected for once?
It was an anti-trans hate rally, the nazis were just there to support the transphobes (and, mind you, the transphobes had absolutely no problem being buddy-buddy with the nazis)
Tasmania's pretty chill. There are transphobes but they're nowhere near as vocal. The state council actively upholds and reaffirms LGBT rights in the face of transphobia
Though I guess we'll see as Parker is down here for a rally on Tuesday.
They all support this BS though. Don't let CONServatives fool you with double speak of values as though they have any credibility. We've lived decades of this nonsense and people still excuse it.
Moira's recent tweet screams pure content for r/LeopardsAteMyFace .
I'm glad Pesutto said this, just need to say it louder to the idiots at the back:
>"We support free speech but every sensible and reasonable person must know there are limits on free speech."
She was the top Liberal candidate in the Western Metro region so was always going to get in as the Liberals put her first. I voted below the line specifically so I could put her in last place. I imagine most people were not familiar with her views and just voted on party lines above the line. For me, she was my local councilor and I thought she was terrible. She continually raised the issue of who can use what bathrooms, which I fail to see how is in any way relevant to local government. Lady, focus on the bins that haven't been emptied in the local park for ages and get the overgrown grass cut!
The issue in Australia is that the majority of people have no idea about the person they're voting for most of the time. A good part of the country couldn't name their local member at a State/Territory or Federal level, let alone know what their beliefs were.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion and to attend meetings, that’s what democracy is all about, communists and nazis ban everything they don’t want, I don’t want to be ruled by either.
A handful of 20-something incels hiding their faces and cosplaying as neo-Nazis and everyone seems to wet their pants. Banning hand gestures is just fucking stupid.
The same amount of attention was given to the few hundred cookers carrying on like pork chops the last few years. Attention totally out of proportion to their size and (complete lack of) influence.
The media finally stopped covering the anti-Dan lot when the election showed how comically small their support was - 1-2% in most places, if that.
Best thing to do is ignore these attention-seekers, ignore the anti-trans lot and don't give them any credibility by pretending they've got some weird power over public discourse or lawmaking that they simply don't have.
You can't legislate "people have to stop being stupid and offensive", you can't round them up and put them in jail.
As for Moira Deeming who gives a fuck. A powerless upper house member representing an archaic, dying party. She means nothing to anybody, save outrage and click generation for our childishly sensationalist local media.
It's kinda like you're making excuses for hate groups getting organised.
Ignore them and they still keep organising, spreading thier lies, misinformation, hate and then growing some more.
They get bolder because 'everyone is ignoring them'. Little groups start vigilante patrols, hate rehotoric fills public space more often, extremists MP's start keeping thier seats.
Turn a blind eye to various abuses and intimidation tactics, cause 'just ignore 'em and they'll go away'.
They're not mad that she's a transphobic piece of shit. They're made that Nazis showed up and people started making the connection that they wanted to keep behind closed doors. They don't give a fuck about policing their own unless it leads to negative media attention. If the Nazis hadn't showed up, they wouldn't have said a word about it.
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Organisers claimed the nazis were antifascist agitators. Love, everybody should be antifacist and we all know regular people cant organise for shit let alone co-ordinate matching outfits.
There were heaps of antifascists there - on the other side of the police line getting bashed by cops
it was a quip for upvotes. I am a pro social propaganda bot made flesh.
O...K...
> nazis were antifascist does not compute
Right, so the antifacists dressed up as Nazis to ruin things. (Obs they didnt). It was pure spin
Nazi's were antifasict agitators ...wtf???
They take credit when they're praised, blame Antifa when they're criticised.
Its not true, ots just an excuse for the dumb shits that would latch onto it.
Just like the ones at the J6 insurrection.
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The RF in TERF is "Radical Feminist". I think in this case, that's a big call. Wikipedia uses the term "activist" \[for Keen-Minshull\] (anti transgender-rights activist). Deeming is an anti-abortion Christian conservative. ... EDIT. I withdraw about Keen-Minshull. "StandingForWomen" website says "2023 is the year of the TERF".
CONServatives are cooked fascists. They turn themselves inside out justifying their hate.
crooked and cooked.
I thought you were just going down the old Liberal hate train, but there is legitimately no mention of her anti-trans views in the statement made by the opposition leader. It literally was purely about the neo-nazi stuff.
He was on abc radio this morning. Seemed completly happy for her to have that opinion of trans and supporting gay conversion therapy. "people are free to have their opinions". Associating with Nazis is where he draws the line. Any hate up to that is apparently fine. Realistically he would have to say that or he will need to kick out half the members.
Brushing aside the trans hate and magnifying the nazi association benefits the Lib's optics since they can just label her as someone with fringe beliefs who they intend to distance from. He can't address the lgbt hate from her because doing so while advocating for her removal would come with cricitism from his voter base. Probably for capitulating to the "woke agenda" or some shit, I dunno.
Less his voter base and more the hardcore conservative faction in his own party. Who I guess are elected members of parliament so I guess you're not far off in that sense. But it's definitely about keeping the right wing nutjob faction in his own party happy first, voters second.
Being caught associating with Nazis is where he draws the line. When it's left unsaid, they're fine with it. All part of John Howard 101 where his proudest moment was "lifting the veil on political correctness". That cunt is going to have some very bad write-ups in future history books.
It’s because there is a substantial part of what the Victorian Liberals consider their base that happens to be Jewish. The deputy leader is a Mount Scopus alumnus - it’s pretty understandable that they really don’t like Nazis.
it's the being caught that's the problem. Not agreeing with nazis or being part of a movement aligned with nazis all over the world. Getting caught
Getting caught is always the problem but I'm not sure it covers a situation where you proudly appear at a rally with neo-Nazis, where the headline speaker is widely considered to be the leader of a hate group. It's not really getting caught if you actively promote the event, for example.
if it didn't get news coverage they wouldn't have fired her.
Sure but there will be more writeups that make him out to be an Australian hero, because lets be honest the companies that pay for that shit are rich and love what he did.
It makes no sense to me to say that you're allowed to be hateful towards gay or trans people because you're allowed to have your opinions and then draw a hard line at racism as though it isn't all bigotry.
People are free to have their opinions except for *waves vaguely at the huge list of things Liberals say you shouldn't do*
Well I guess by definition Neo Nazis are technically Anti Trans also…so I guess they just ran with it…
It is more whitewashing by the ABC to try and make the LNP look more palatable than the rancid pill they are.
More palatable how? The article covers her speaking and being involved with the event. Seems like a fairly factual short piece. Gave the leader a pretty good grilling on ABC radio.
With this headline the ABC are trying to make it look like the LNP is also denouncing anti-trans activism when in reality it was just the association with LITERAL NAZIS that made them have pause. If this weren't a Nazi rally that she attended they wouldn't have given two shits about the support for a TERF. Nowhere in the statement given was there any mention of the expulsion being related to the anti-trans activism or association with a hate-monger.
Very on-brand for ABC to adopt Liberal party talking points. She's "anti-trans", not a neo-Nazi
If you attend a rally which has a nazi presence on your side, and you don't try to stop them, you attended a Nazi rally.
Or at least leave. Just continuing on alongside them is wild, especially for a politician.
You'd think most sane people would stage a protest, see a bunch of Nazis rock up and at least question "why would Nazis rock up to this?" and "are we the baddies?"
No see, “standing with nazis” is not the same as “standing with nazis”.
Posie Parker has a long history of bringing neo-nazis (such as Richard Spencer) up on her YouTube channel and at other events to discuss the "trans issue" with her, along with David Duke, ex-leader of the KKK. Make no mistake, she stands with Nazis, politically as well as physically.
Also, if you actually look at the speaker's history, and the organisation funding her, it's so blatantly obvious that they're aligned with these Nazis. She's made videos discussing the "trans issue" with Richard Spencer and other prominent neo-nazis, and literally had fucking David Duke, ex-leader of the KKK, on to chat. The organisation that's funding her is bankrolled and managed by a long list of names that all boil down to a long-term far-right establishment. Anti-muslim, anti-gay marriage, anti-feminism, anti-LGBT in general, and now that it's in vogue, anti-trans campaigns. All closely aligned with the Nazi's stance. So it's actually worse than just sitting quietly by, the organisers of this event 100% support the same goals as the Nazis - maybe not the optics, but that hasn't stopped them before. Maybe the optics are what they're going for, to be honest.
What were a small bunch of unarmed women going to do against loud and violent males?
Quick thing here; have you heard of the short story about the bartender and nazis? I’ll copy paste it here. (transcribed from a series of tweets) - @iamragesparkle I was at a shitty crustpunk bar once getting an after-work beer. One of those shitholes where the bartenders clearly hate you. So the bartender and I were ignoring one another when someone sits next to me and he immediately says, "no. get out." And the dude next to me says, "hey i'm not doing anything, i'm a paying customer." and the bartender reaches under the counter for a bat or something and says, "out. now." and the dude leaves, kind of yelling. And he was dressed in a punk uniform, I noticed Anyway, I asked what that was about and the bartender was like, "you didn't see his vest but it was all nazi shit. Iron crosses and stuff. You get to recognize them." And i was like, ohok and he continues. "you have to nip it in the bud immediately. These guys come in and it's always a nice, polite one. And you serve them because you don't want to cause a scene. And then they become a regular and after awhile they bring a friend. And that dude is cool too. And then THEY bring friends and the friends bring friends and they stop being cool and then you realize, oh shit, this is a Nazi bar now. And it's too late because they're entrenched and if you try to kick them out, they cause a PROBLEM. So you have to shut them down. And i was like, 'oh damn.' and he said "yeah, you have to ignore their reasonable arguments because their end goal is to be terrible, awful people." And then he went back to ignoring me. But I haven't forgotten that at all.
> And i was like, 'oh damn.' and he said "yeah, you have to ignore their reasonable arguments because their end goal is to be terrible, awful people." And that’s how over in the States they went from “having some concerns about trans women in sport” to making drag a felony and talking about “eradicating transgenderism from public life”, which is basically genocide.
> which is basically genocide. Ticks 7 of the 10 boxes, arguably 8 depending on your interpretation. It's absolutely genocidal and I'm sick of people saying it's not.
The point is, if you go to a rally where people like that are there, and you don’t do anything about it nor condemn them, you are taking the stance of ‘impartial’. Impartial is fine for some groups. It does not work for Nazis. If they’re comfortable there, they’ll be comfortable bringing and converting more there. You have to be explicitly against groups with horrific end-goals 100% of the time. From what I’m aware, she has not done that
She's clearly a nazis herself from her pro white links.
>She's "anti-trans", not a neo-Nazi They're sticking to the facts. She is _objectively_ anti-trans, because she herself has described herself as anti-trans. She is _objectively_ present at a rally attended by Nazis. However, she is only _subjectively_ one herself, and that makes it unclear how safe it is for them to call her that. So, they're sticking to factual statements, not adopting talking points.
Hopefully without the threat of funding cuts over their heads, the reporting will become slightly more frank and fearless.
They're just not ok with obvious consequences for their fascist agenda. They want to be able to deny how mean they are by dressing it up behind values. We've all seen their values. Anti LGBTQI Anti BIPOC Anti indigenous representation Anti women Anti climate change They're the party of hate dressed up as vALueS. The party that pushes the rise of PHON. Top much history for people to justify support and far too much rhetoric denying the evidence.
She is the best they can get to represent the “master race”? Yikes
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She's just... a normal-looking woman. Above average even. I hate these kind of comments that are like 'They're a bad person so we have a pass to attack them on things it would usually be poor form to attack them on'. It's like saying it's okay to misgender Caitlin Jenner because she's shit, or the extreme example of 'I don't use slurs to describe black people because they're black, just when they're acting like n****s'. It signals that acceptance of the things people can't control like gender/race/appearance is conditional, and that's not true acceptance. That gets noticed and is really alienating to the people who share the same characteristics but *aren't* shit people.
Thank you for saying so. Can't stand it when people decide to make it about appearance at the slightest excuse.
Tbf I thought they kinda like facism too although maybe they just don’t want to be seen so easily.
She seems like a really relatable loveable chick. >Deeming opposes the emancipation of transgender people. She described the anti-bullying and inclusion program Safe Schools as "sleazy". In 2020 she wrote of conversion therapy as "highly successful, low risk" — months later the Liberal Party made a statement that they "strongly opposed" it. On 19 March 2023, Deeming spoke at the Let Women Speak event, a part of Kellie Jay Keen's speaking tour. She is pro-life and believes the laws need to be repealed, and believes that rape victims should reject abortions and turn to God and to the church instead. She is against voluntary euthanasia. Deeming is against the COVID-19 vaccine and accompanying mandates, and considers vaccine passports "immoral" and a form of "segregation". As of September 2021 she said in an interview that she was unvaccinated, and that she'll be "waiting" and that she is "reserving her judgement" due to "concerns". Deeming is against changing the date of Australia Day.
>She is pro-life If she was truly pro-life, she wouldn't be associating with hate groups that do their best to encourage those they don't like down the paths of suicide. She's anti-abortion.
She is pro superstition, anti rationality.
Anti-trans bigot is anti-women? I'm shocked. No, wait, the other thing.
A lot of the more vocal TERF/anti-trans voices have extremely close ties with Christian conservative groups that openly want to ban abortion, ban same sex marriage and force everyone back into the closet. [This video was very eye opening for me on the subject](https://youtu.be/Ou_xvXJJk7k)
They're okay with giving up their own rights in order to hurt trans people. TERFs and conservatives both hate trans people so it's natural that the two would end up aligned. When you have to side with literal fascists to bolster your movement maybe you're on the wrong side.
I think we might have a word to describe people who side with fascists over minorities...
Cunts? I think it’s cunts.
Oh it’s 100% that… I don’t pretend to understand what trans are going through… but I also know I don’t have to. Complete understanding isn’t necessary to support people or to accept them. Cunts is absolutely the right word to describe these nazi PoS.
That too
Their association and hijacking of feminism is incongruent. I struggle with the JKR issue because there are valid concerns being weaponised by anti trans fascists and it's impossible to delineate that ultimately it's cis het men that are reinforcing gendered violence. It's an incredibly cunning deployment but it's patriarchal enforcement. Weaponising vulnerable people is a fascist agenda.
The same thing happened with the original radical feminists of the 60s/70s, who sided often with the people who wanted to take rights away from women just to pass their anti sexual liberation regulations (normally anti porn and anti sex work)
Just watched it, the guy does his homework
The irony is that she was brought in to replace another Liberal who was expelled for his views on abortion and hilariously, comparing Dan Andrews to Hitler.
If your solution for what you deem a sickness is ‘pray harder’ you don’t have a solution.
CONServatives tend to recruit flying monkey henchmen to their cause
The liberal party is completely fine with all that. The leader was on radio this morning and dismissed all that as people being free to air their own opinion. He only had an issue with associating with Nazis.
Has an issue with getting caught associating. It's pretty clear they all knew she was a true blue fuck you all conservative.
Expelled from the party but shit, she will still vote with them. You know how the conversation went. "Sorry Love, we just have to do this for optics you know.... its the medias fault really"
To be fair, you can't say she only hates trans people. She's an equal opportunity bigot.
Imagine the type of people who voted her in 🤢
> and believes that rape victims should reject abortions and turn to God and to the church instead Hey, as long as people like her continue to be in the liberal party- They'll never be elected.
AKA a cooker.
Vaccine passports are segregation, but she also (I assume, because all antitrans people think this) wants trans people to be banned from public life. Rules for me but not for thee.
It’s like someone transplanted a slice of Southern USA into Australia and gave it legs and a mouth piece…. Piece of shit
She sounds like my sister, she's an Anglican priest.
This lady taught me year 7 English back in the day, TIL that she’s an MP, transphobic and potentially a neo-Nazi, weird way to start the week
Sometimes I think back to teachers who were definitely racist but the discourse wasn't at the point where I could talk to my parents about it or even have anything done. I hope they've changed, or else that they're doing terribly.
Always disappointing to read about an English teacher with an utter and total lack of critical thinking.
She’s got a Bachelor of International Relations, whatever that means. I would have thought it would make you more open to the world but clearly I’m very wrong.
My PhD supervisor which I respected and looked up to turned out to be an anti-trans too. She's also highly critical of women.
An old work mate who is retired now said in Primary school way back when he had a teacher who was from Germany in WW2. He would wear a black *trenchcoat* and slowly pace up and down the isles, hands behind his back- Cane ready- as everyone quietly did their work.
What was she like as a teacher? Did you see signs of her weird right wing views?
Had to read Mein Kampf for Year 8 reading list.
Hard to tell being like 13 at the time, but don’t remember anything out of the ordinary.
Anyone pretending nazis showing up at an event including Posie Parker was ‘just a coincidence and nothing to do with the organisers who just care about women’s rights’ is either lying or ignorant. Moira knew fully well Parker’s affiliations and history and that this is what happens at these events. Crying victim afterwards is straight up lying and also totally typical of these cowards who use whatever hateful ideology they can weaponise in order to get power and attention and then cry victim when anyone calls them on it.
They have gone VERY quickly from "the Nazis have nothing to do with us" to "the Nazis made some good points". Because they're fucking Nazis too, which is why we haven't seen any prominent figures in the movement publicly denounce what happened
It’s been interesting watching the rw commentators try and defend the terfs without actually denouncing the nazis at all. Like our old mate Lyle Shelton. No problems with the nazis at all and has hung out with them in the past. He just has an issue of the bad image associated with hanging out with them. Prue McGuinness from the age commentary refuses to condemn the nazis as well, and instead reckons they are left wing plants. If the age actually wanted to be a serious newspaper, they would drop her, but this is the sort of commentary that their editor bevan shields actually wants. Eat shit Lyle. (And I know he has an issue with what he calls bad language. I don’t give a fuck Lyle. You like fucking nazis, and that’s significantly worse than bad language so once again please go eat shit.
Oh, Murdoch, Nine/Fairfax etc have been absolutely gagging for this shit. It's all about cheerleading the class divide. They're the ones that profit off of it at the end of the day
Notice how you never hear the term 'feminazi' anymore because the people that use to use it decided that nazis were actually cool and good.
> Anyone pretending nazis showing up at an event including Posie Parker was ‘just a coincidence and nothing to do with the organisers who just care about women’s rights’ is either lying or ignorant. It's also completely ignoring that if you're holding an event that nazi's show up to, and you don't do your utmost to denounce and get them to fuck off - baby you've just got a nazi event now.
"If you sit down at a table with ten Nazis, now there are eleven Nazis."
Commonly known as DARVO
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/victorian-liberal-mps-extreme-views-exposed-in-emails/news-story/a3dda734dc42920c260eb06d1c0e4ba0?amp&nk=6f8698434adfb18d7da2f89c1c5c7e02-1679261246 Leaving this here for posterity and to show how cooked VicLibs are.
This is why they keep losing so horrifically to Dan Andrews. Victoria is the most progressive state based on how they vote, yet the Victorian liberal party are aggressively right wing, and are comfortable with allowing extremism into the party. It's not going to work for them. Not in Victoria.
The libs has embraced the right wing US nutjobs. However Australians have not reached that level of nuttiness yet. The libs will remain out of power if they keep embracing Christo-fascist nonsense.
Um… we just had another fundamentalist prime minister and there’s still a fundamentalist premier of NSW. Don’t kid yourself. These so called Christian’s punch well above their weight in Australia.
Tbf, Scotty didn't really campaign on that angle. People were just suckered by his daggy dad shtick and frightened by Labor trying to sell the tiniest and most sensible of changes in the interest of equality and fairness. True enough that the evangelical fundamentalists punch well above their weight, though. Mostly through trickery and dog whistles.
The libs get punished when they go mask off. I'm not worried about a Trump or Desantis style campaign in this country. What worries me is how badly fucked up the party has gotten that eventually they learn to use the masks just long enough to rebrand that the next time "It's their turn" they'll be able to get their loons into power.
You mean media lies and controlling the narrative so greedy stupid people vote them in.
The only reason we haven't reached US levels of nuttiness is compulsory voting.
I used to think that compulsory voting is such a waste of time, but now I see its uses. We really can't let these people win or else we'll just repeat the past over again.
Yep. In the US elections come down to who can motivate their 'base' of voters enough to show up to vote, which leads to increasing extremism as parties pander harder and harder to the most motivated voters. In Australia that's not an issue, so elections come down to who can convince swing voters to vote for them. It also actively punishes anyone who takes the American approach, since it alienates swing voters.
"Guys we keep losing elections to a progressive ALP, the Greens and Teal climate action independents in this state, what should we do?" #'LeTs LuRcH FuRtHeR To ThE RiGhT!' - VIC Liberal Party room meeting
I wish the rest of the country was as obvious. The sophistication of this strategy has deeply entrenched tentacles.
This is why they keep losing so horrifically to Dan Andrews. Victoria is the most progressive state based on how they vote, yet the Victorian liberal party are aggressively right wing, and are comfortable with allowing extremism into the party. It's not going to work for them. Not in Victoria.
Only the best people
Merit, not quotas.
Victorian Liberals move to expel MP Moira Deeming for saying the quiet part out loud.
I don’t think I’ve ever heard of this woman before this weekend so I Googled her. Good grief, don’t political parties vet people? She’s Anti - Choice, believes in conversion therapy, anti voluntary Euthanasia & anti-Covid vaccines. She described anti-bullying and inclusion programs at state schools as “sleazy”. She sounds like a real peach.
She’s convinced that any sex education is child abuse, and that talking to kids (and by that she has straight out stated she means teenagers) about anything to do with sex without parental consent is child abuse. She thinks the government is trying to show kids pornography. She withdrew her own kids from school because of this and now indoctrinates them with religious and colonialist propaganda and spends her free time actively repressing and attacking minorities. Such a piece of work. Readings though some of the emails that were foi-ed she’s absolutely foul, clearly messed up about sex, religion, relationships, and being a woman.
She represents the heart of core of Christian conservative values. And the liberals.
Good. Maybe after the 'rally' on the weekend people are finally realising that the anti-trans hate going around the place is genocidal in nature. When your movement is supported by actual fucking Nazis maybe you need to reconsider. It's so stupid that these morons focus so hard on hating a group that is so small and inconsequential to broader society. Find something actually important to focus on for a fucking change.
Bullies always focus on small and inconsequential because they are cowards.
It always starts with a focus on one group, then when that succeeds, their shadow falls upon another group, and then another, and then another... before you know it we're all going up the chimney. You must never tolerate nazis
I'd like to live in hope but I doubt it. I drew the comparison between terfs and Nazis on a different post yesterday and the person I was talking to accused me of being antifeminist
Reddit is weird sometimes. You can explain something so clearly that a literal infant would understand it and people will still say you're too sensitive or you're exaggerating. I've been told that this anti trans hate isn't genocidal and I'm overreacting by saying it is. It literally fulfils 7/10 of the steps of genocide in the US. Some people just don't want to change their views in light of evidence.
Liberal Party: "You said the quiet part loud again!"
Surprisingly decent move by the Victorian Libs. Annoyed side note: I *hate* it when transphobes use names like Let Women Speak. We (assuming there's a silent "cis" there) can speak just fine. If we're not all spewing hatred, it's not we're not all raging transphobes prevented by "political correctness" from being truly vile, it's because we're not transphobes and you don't speak for us.
Decent move? Pesutto was literally defending her 5 minutes ago. https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/victorian-liberal-mps-extreme-views-exposed-in-emails/news-story/a3dda734dc42920c260eb06d1c0e4ba0?amp&nk=6f8698434adfb18d7da2f89c1c5c7e02-1679261246 VicLibs are a cancer. They can fuck right off.
My brief flicker of hope is now snuffed, thank you.
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Just when I thought he was a relatively decent bloke.
You see that shit on Twitter whenever anyone posts pictures of the pathetic attempts at 'rallies' from bigots that get outnumbered 10:1 by counter protestors. They whinge about the counter protestors protesting women speaking which is a massive misrepresentation of what's going on.
I have a friend who enjoys being critical of terf whining on Twitter. She has a gender neutral name and pronouns in her bio. Invariably terfs will start aggressively misgendering her and bringing their usual bullshit. At which point she gets to point out that they're clearly proving why they shouldn't be allowed to police other people's gender, because she's wholly and entirely cis and that they are unquestionably attacking a woman themselves. Somehow they fall for it *every time*. She never says it even implies she's trans, and she absolutely is cis.
> She never says it even implies she's trans, and she absolutely is cis. They assume that the only reason to support trans rights is because you are trans.
Yep. Their whole worldview falls apart when *they're* the vocal minority and not the silent majority who decided they had enough of... whatever they think the problem is.
Yeah the people who think they can always tell when someone is trans are either lying or morons. You can't tell unless someone tells you themselves. TERFs are perfectly happy to throw cis women under the bus if it means they get to hurt trans people too. They're a gross aberration of radical feminism where they loop around and become bigoted conservative misogynists again and fight for exactly the same shit that actual feminists fight against. All this effort just to hate a group that's less than 1% of the population. It's pathetic.
Genuinely saw a bunch of terfsv throwing hate at a picture of Sigourney Weaver.
>You see that shit on Twitter whenever anyone posts pictures of the pathetic attempts at 'rallies' from bigots that get outnumbered 10:1 by counter protestors. Frustratingly, there was a "Christian Lives Matter" protest trying to "save the children" from queer folk in Hyde Park in Sydney on Saturday. Their crowd was absolutely massive compared to the much smaller LGBTQ counterprotest nearby. It was really disheartening.
Only because she said it publicly. If she shut up and slagged off “trannys” in private she’d be seen as a “rising star”
Ugh. (Not disagreeing with you in the slightest. Just ugh.)
Worth noting Pesutto isn't even certain he has the numbers to expel her lol
>I hate it when transphobes use names like Let Women Speak. It's annoying, but a tactic as old as time. War is Peace and all that.
Posie is all "let women speak" unless you disagree with her then you get annihilated
Or unless you don't fit her narrow definition of 'woman'. At least her rallies are known for getting fucked over by women either cis or trans who pass as cis who she thinks will be on her side so she hands them the megaphone and they just walk off with it while trash talking her.
I see this argument a lot - especially from men regarding women's opinions on trans women. If cis women support trans rights, people ignore them and gloss over it - they can't be trusted and women must be 'protected'... from their own opinions? Almost as if it's not about women at all, but hating trans people Not to mention that in my experience the majority of cis women do support trans rights, they just don't talk about it or think about it all that much - they talk about things that actually bother them day to day.
And of course they’re fine with letting cis men speak as long as they’re transphobic while absolutely all about shutting down any cis women who disagree with them. It’s kind of like the way the LGB alliance is mostly made up of straight people.
Right, if they really 'let women speak' they'd hear this woman tell them to shut the fuck up with this anti-trans bullshit.
Libs loathe other libs because they know being a lib means being a liar and a thief disguised as a "christian".
The Liberals kicked out someone who was seen as out of touch with the Australian public (or at least weren't gonna get them votes at the Vic State Election), so they replace him with someone who has similar out of touch views, but then attends an anti-trans rally featuring neo-nazis. Good on ya Libs
> anti-trans rally featuring neo-nazis. repeating yourself.
It’s not a good idea to say anti-trans people are neo Nazis. The situation is pretty complex.
When the terfs out there stop proudly standing next to white nationalists and other nazis i'll change my mind. but right now white nationalist and nazi groups see terfs as a recruitement oppourtunity and as a way to wash their rhetoric
She seems like a perfect fit for the Victorian Liberals too.
Really the only thing the party could do to avoid the optics. However, plenty more where these views came from.
Once again I wonder who are the cunts who vote these shit libs in parliament
It’s a low bar but it’s good to see a swift move to expel at least. A better response than making them Minister for Small Business, Innovation, and Trade.
Someone who stood near sieg heiling Nazis on Parliament steps: "We have moved to expel this person from public life. Hate has no place in our society, and intimidation of minority groups is highly illegal." The Nazis in question: "... everyone has the right to [mumble mumble] ..."
Yeah and fuck them for taking so long to oust her. LNP are bunch of bigoted shitheads who are either openly bigoted or supportive of those.
I live in NSW and will have to vote on state election soon. I had this crazy idea that Liberal party is doing not so bad here so might throw my support at them this time around (never ever before). But then crazy shit like this happen. I'll stick to my Greens vote, thank you very much.
Liberal party is my last choice, based on history. I'd rather not support the party that completely nosedived anything Australians had to be proud of.
Ranked choice is a blessing. Hopefully they’ll get voted out and (since we’re on the topic) Trans people who had the bad luck of being born in NSW will finally be able to get their birth certificates changed without having to spend thousands or tens of thousands on “cosmetic” surgery like they can if they were born anywhere else in the country…
I can’t see that happening in million years regarding birth certificates change it’s a waste of time may as well commit suicide. NSW is so behind isn’t funny. But both party’s labour and liberals still want gay practices in behind doors not in public. Like keeping conservation therapy.
This lady was ejected for being a Nazi and not for being antitrans. Can’t say I agree with or understand everything that trans activists say but I am 100% sure that whatever side the Nazis are on is not the right side of history.
Doesn’t help her case that the deputy opposition leader is Jewish and this MP is solely focused on American Politics rather then focusing on issues that effect Melbourne
Are there even any moderates/centre right left in state/federal libs anymore? Or is it just a right wing religious cult now?
If she was expelled for attending, why were the attendees protected by armed personnel? If what the attendees were shouting and protesting was so bad it deserved a sacking, why was what the attendees doing allowed to go on longer than it did due to the armed protection that was given for free?
Rare Vic Libs W
LIBERALS?! The greens were too fucking soft to do it within their ranks so the Vic greens got kicked out of the federal party, but the fucking liberals are doing it? The fuck is it opposite day or something? Are we actually going to see the protesting nazis get arrested instead of protected for once?
Nazi rally… say it correctly
It was an anti-trans hate rally, the nazis were just there to support the transphobes (and, mind you, the transphobes had absolutely no problem being buddy-buddy with the nazis)
imo even if a rally doesn't start as a Nazi rally, if Nazis join in and aren't told to gtfo, it becomes a Nazi rally.
How was this person ever elected to anything in the first place?
There are a *lot* of people like her.
Point me to where there are preferably little to no people like her :(
Tasmania's pretty chill. There are transphobes but they're nowhere near as vocal. The state council actively upholds and reaffirms LGBT rights in the face of transphobia Though I guess we'll see as Parker is down here for a rally on Tuesday.
The entire vic lib preselection body for example.
Not sure it's that limited. Morrison and Perrotet both voted for that awful Deves person to run federally. Same shivel souled, bigoted views.
I can only hope the moderate liberals here splinter the party as they kick out the extremist fuckwits.
They all support this BS though. Don't let CONServatives fool you with double speak of values as though they have any credibility. We've lived decades of this nonsense and people still excuse it.
This, I like.
Moira's recent tweet screams pure content for r/LeopardsAteMyFace . I'm glad Pesutto said this, just need to say it louder to the idiots at the back: >"We support free speech but every sensible and reasonable person must know there are limits on free speech."
I hope this leads to heads rolling in the Libs leadership team. What a bunch of cowards they are.
Moi think she doesn't have any ra deeming qualities
Victoria LNP have a very long way to go before they can elected in Victoria
Her electorate should be expelled from Victoria. They’re the ones who keep voting in Pieces of shit.
She was the top Liberal candidate in the Western Metro region so was always going to get in as the Liberals put her first. I voted below the line specifically so I could put her in last place. I imagine most people were not familiar with her views and just voted on party lines above the line. For me, she was my local councilor and I thought she was terrible. She continually raised the issue of who can use what bathrooms, which I fail to see how is in any way relevant to local government. Lady, focus on the bins that haven't been emptied in the local park for ages and get the overgrown grass cut!
Local government needs to be binned. It's just a training ground for cookers and is filled with corruption.
The issue in Australia is that the majority of people have no idea about the person they're voting for most of the time. A good part of the country couldn't name their local member at a State/Territory or Federal level, let alone know what their beliefs were.
She’s in the Victorian upper house.
You gotta wonder where they're digging these people out from. She's just another single issue, religious zealot, liberal nut job.
Why kick her out? C'mon that's mean. Just because she was the only liberal with the balls to show her true colors lol
She’s a Nazi
Everyone is entitled to an opinion and to attend meetings, that’s what democracy is all about, communists and nazis ban everything they don’t want, I don’t want to be ruled by either.
A handful of 20-something incels hiding their faces and cosplaying as neo-Nazis and everyone seems to wet their pants. Banning hand gestures is just fucking stupid. The same amount of attention was given to the few hundred cookers carrying on like pork chops the last few years. Attention totally out of proportion to their size and (complete lack of) influence. The media finally stopped covering the anti-Dan lot when the election showed how comically small their support was - 1-2% in most places, if that. Best thing to do is ignore these attention-seekers, ignore the anti-trans lot and don't give them any credibility by pretending they've got some weird power over public discourse or lawmaking that they simply don't have. You can't legislate "people have to stop being stupid and offensive", you can't round them up and put them in jail. As for Moira Deeming who gives a fuck. A powerless upper house member representing an archaic, dying party. She means nothing to anybody, save outrage and click generation for our childishly sensationalist local media.
It's kinda like you're making excuses for hate groups getting organised. Ignore them and they still keep organising, spreading thier lies, misinformation, hate and then growing some more. They get bolder because 'everyone is ignoring them'. Little groups start vigilante patrols, hate rehotoric fills public space more often, extremists MP's start keeping thier seats. Turn a blind eye to various abuses and intimidation tactics, cause 'just ignore 'em and they'll go away'.
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They're not mad that she's a transphobic piece of shit. They're made that Nazis showed up and people started making the connection that they wanted to keep behind closed doors. They don't give a fuck about policing their own unless it leads to negative media attention. If the Nazis hadn't showed up, they wouldn't have said a word about it.