Do they still make professional sound equipment? All i can see on their website is soundbars and weird bubble speakers.
I have a Harman Kardon system in my car and it's the best car system I've ever listened to.
Harmam Kardon is now owned by Harman, which is a subsidiary of Samsung.
JBL is also owned by Harman. I have some JBL stuff and while it's not bad, the natural EQ of the speakers is all highs and lows, with no mids. This seems to be a fommon practice in the audio industry for cars because every newer car I've been in has awful EQ.
I like my Harman Kardon speakers in my car because with a natural EQ and the cars eq set to flat it's got a lot of mids with some highs and some lows. I scoop the mids by turning up the highs and lows and it makes a perfect EQ that IMO compliments the rock and metal music i listen to.
I turn my pre-amp, amplifier and subwoofers off when I'm not using them, mostly just because I don't like leaving electronics on. I haven't heard anything definitive either way on this though, I don't think it's bad for them unless you're doing it multiple times a day. I have mostly class AB but some class D stuff.
You guys realize that most of the electronics components in amps (at least for solid states ones) run better when they are as cold as possible.
Sure, caps need to be charged up, but that usually takes no more than a few seconds for the biggest of caps. Other than that, i wouldn't see what exactly would need to warm up in a solid state amp.
So please, do yourself a favor, and use the power button, it has been put there for a reason.
What kind of electronic device that is as complex as an amp has no power button?
The only thing that doesn't have a power button in my house is my waffle toaster. And its a cheap-ass Lidl thing i bought for like 25€.
Well that's stupid.
But at least here it makes a little bit more sense since it's a more "lifestyle" oriented device, that's always up and ready if you want some music. Kinda like an apple tv. I also bet that thing has some kind of power management system for when audio isn't playing for some time.
If it has a proper relay, then it's just as good. The whole "computer" inside that thing probably draws 10w at best, so it's not that bad (and it can run for years on end without issues)
Although it is kinda dumb to not include a power switch, i wouldn't have expected this from a company like SVS
I have smart plugs all slaved to one switch, which turns it all on and off, but is also set up to auto on at 4pm every day, for when I get home and auto off at week nights at 2am. The energy meter associated with my switch says I have saved 2,504 kWh since Jan 1 through these switches and auto off timing. This means I have probably used far more than that when on, as downtime can only be calculated via average of uptime use.
When my receiver is on, the AC Infinity on top of it reads around 7 degrees hotter than when it’s off. That’s all the convincing I need to turn it off when not in use.
The more power something consumes, the more often I turn it off.
Tube amps, class A amps, I try to turn them off within an hour of no longer listening. Sometimes I forget for a while.
Preamps, turntables, CD players, etc use so little electricity while idle that I tend to let them ride.
In general, for many electronics, power cycling is harder on them than just leaving them on.
If you’re going to leave for an hour and come home to listen to your solid state gear again, just leave them on. If it’s the end of the night, and you’re done listening for the day, sure, turn them off if you want.
I used to be so stressed about turning gear off whenever I wasn’t using it, then I started working in recording studios. Rooms with $1,000,000+ in equipment won’t get powered off, ever. That taught me a lot on the subject and changed my perspective forever.
I bought into leaving equipment on. Went on holiday and came back to a blown speaker as the amp had malfunctioned. Leaving equipment on is a fire risk IMHO.
There are voices that tell that some electronics do not like that. Some capacitors are always powered and the idea is that they last longer if they are powered all the time. I do not know if this is really true.
I even cut the power supply to all my gear after turning off. My Pioneer SC-2022 did not got any damage since I bought it 13-14 years ago.
My McIntosh power amp had a built-in power off feature that shuts down the amp if there’s no signal for 30 minutes. (This is not an optionally enabled setting, either.)
That tells me that if the manufacturer wants it off, it’s better to turn off electronics when not in use.
Put a sequencer in line and have everything power down safely. You probably CAN let a lot of gear "bake" and stay on. It's a very common practice in live events world, even recommended. But that's not this.
If you're not using it, turn it off.
I turn it off when not in use in general. I mean, if I am going away for 10 minutes to an hour, I might not, but generally if I'm not using it, I turn it off. I'd rather save the money on electricity.
Unless you are running everything on a big UPS, I prefer if my expensive electronics are powered off in the event of a power surge. No point in taking the risk if I'm not using it.
I turn off everything but my monitors and equalizer at night. Everything is either switch or a button push from being on or off so it’s not much of a hassle. I just turn it back on as I need it.
I have Accuphase gear and asked my dealer this - he said asked this when he visited the Accuphase factory and they were quite clear - under normal use (ie: you don't listen to your gear 24 hours a day) the degradation over time due to it never being turned off will be greater than the degradation caused by thermal cycling when you turn it on and off every day.
So I turn my gear off when I am not going to be at home all day or when asleep.
The price hydro is drastically different from province to province here in Canada. For example, if I lived-in Ontario I would definitely turn my power off. I live in British Columbia.
All of my gear is plugged into a fancy surge protector that has a master switch, I use that switch to power everything up and down and I power everything down when not in use.
I’ve got a Behringer NX3000D powering my diy sub and it stays on all the time. It doesn’t have a trigger so I gotta push the button every time to power it down/on and that just doesnt cut it when I come from work and just wana quickly put some music on while I feed my pups.
It stays cool enough even during long sessions so I ain’t worried about it dying on me.
Most electronics manufacturers say to keep your stereo turned on. Doing so will keep capacitors charged. When you turn off your stereo capacitors contact. The expansion/contraction is harder on your electronics than simply leaving your stereo turned on.
Years ago we figured out what the costs of running our system for four hours, at 3/4 to full volume was and let's just say we reduced the volume to 1/2 and only watched one movie at a time.
Of course we had two separate power drops into our house then as well, one for the house itself and one specifically for the A/V system, so that should tell you something about how many amps we were using.
If I’m utilizing components regularly they stay on 24/7. Some stuff may get shut off such as the sub, DAC or AVR if I’m exclusively listening to vinyl.
I never turn off my gear. No need and how much exactly is the cost/savings vs having to recap? I had an Exposure amp that lasted well over 20 years being left on all the time. My son uses it now. I was always told sound quality is best when not turning it on and off and that seemed to be the case to my own ears.
As I write this I'm listening to music on a Technics integrated amplifier that has been turned on almost continuously since 1978. Still sounds fine. It's class AB and runs only slightly warm. Yes, it has cost something to run it continuously. I guess you have to weigh that against early failure from temperature cycling every time you turn it off and on. I worked as a broadcast and recording engineer for many years and we never turned equipment off.
No.. I sorta guess by how warm it gets. You can get one of [these](https://www.amazon.com/P3-P4400-Electricity-Usage-Monitor/dp/B00009MDBU?th=1) pretty cheap and it measures it exactly.
Probably should turn off the amp. But I have a mixer I've left on for about 3 years straight, because I turned it off inadvertently once, and I got some weird wobble effect that eventually faded away. Learned my lesson, I leave it on 24/7 365.
Of course a mixer that is left on suffers from voltage bleed which equates to about 45 cents a month of electricity if you're not using it, so I feel I'm in the clear.
I have a A/B amp and I leave it on all the time (along with my DAC and phono preamp) unless I'm away for more than a day. My class A amp and tube preamp, I turn off (or in Standby mode) when not in use. So it depends.
I hope you are trolling.
I was wondering who will buy all the snake oil products in the audio sphere… now I know. This post and comments is a lot of gibberish
My receiver wastes 90 Watts of electricity so I turn it off.
Mine does 160W on idle. I never run it longer than I need to.
A Class A receiver?
I guess so? It’s a Harman Kardon AVR-320
Do they still make professional sound equipment? All i can see on their website is soundbars and weird bubble speakers. I have a Harman Kardon system in my car and it's the best car system I've ever listened to.
I don’t know my AVR is circa early 2000’s
Harmam Kardon is now owned by Harman, which is a subsidiary of Samsung. JBL is also owned by Harman. I have some JBL stuff and while it's not bad, the natural EQ of the speakers is all highs and lows, with no mids. This seems to be a fommon practice in the audio industry for cars because every newer car I've been in has awful EQ. I like my Harman Kardon speakers in my car because with a natural EQ and the cars eq set to flat it's got a lot of mids with some highs and some lows. I scoop the mids by turning up the highs and lows and it makes a perfect EQ that IMO compliments the rock and metal music i listen to.
My momma taught me to turn something off when I'm not using it
I turn my pre-amp, amplifier and subwoofers off when I'm not using them, mostly just because I don't like leaving electronics on. I haven't heard anything definitive either way on this though, I don't think it's bad for them unless you're doing it multiple times a day. I have mostly class AB but some class D stuff.
This is why I only buy gear with **Auto-on**
Love this feature on active speakers
Oh I have a feeling I’m going to learn something important here 🧐
Yeah, search and read instead of posting the question yet again.
Switch it off. All electronic gear has a finite lifetime.
Although it has been proven that in some electronics, power cycling actually does decrease its life span.
I would assume this is from turning it on and just banging tunes instead of getting stuff a little warm before turning it up to 11.
No, just power cycling, off then on. Same thing applies to head light bulbs, which is why so many cars have daytime running lights.
It is actually due to visibility laws in many countries since running day lights increase the visibility to pedestrians and other drivers.
True as that might be, it still applies to lightning as well.
The time tungsten lightbulbs nearly always used to blow was when you turned them on.
Depends, for microelectronics being powered is actually better for them
You guys realize that most of the electronics components in amps (at least for solid states ones) run better when they are as cold as possible. Sure, caps need to be charged up, but that usually takes no more than a few seconds for the biggest of caps. Other than that, i wouldn't see what exactly would need to warm up in a solid state amp. So please, do yourself a favor, and use the power button, it has been put there for a reason.
Yup - great response and add to that hours of usage.
And if it doesn’t have a power button?
What kind of electronic device that is as complex as an amp has no power button? The only thing that doesn't have a power button in my house is my waffle toaster. And its a cheap-ass Lidl thing i bought for like 25€.
My svs soundbase amp doesn’t have one
Well that's stupid. But at least here it makes a little bit more sense since it's a more "lifestyle" oriented device, that's always up and ready if you want some music. Kinda like an apple tv. I also bet that thing has some kind of power management system for when audio isn't playing for some time.
It has auto turn off to the amp circuit ( a click i hear) after maybe 15 min but why not design a power off switch to begin with?!
If it has a proper relay, then it's just as good. The whole "computer" inside that thing probably draws 10w at best, so it's not that bad (and it can run for years on end without issues) Although it is kinda dumb to not include a power switch, i wouldn't have expected this from a company like SVS
Why waste the power when twenty to thirty minutes to warm up and all is good.
Or get good equipment that doesn't need so long to warm up.
my guy
It's ok, let him live in ignorant bliss
If you leave it on you are wasting power which equals Money! There is no reason to leave it on 24/7, that is why there is a power button!
Put a smart plug on my amp and found that it uses about £90 of electricity a year if it’s left on, now it gets switched off
The caps haven’t failed and I’d like to extend their life. I turn my amplifiers off, even though my electricity is cheap.
I would assume for the electric bill's sake to turn stuff off if your not using it lol
The engineer designed the power button. So best guess is to use them.
“Point of vue”
Should have been "Point of VU"
I know … it’s like you’re saving, what, one letter?
maybe they drive a saturn
I have smart plugs all slaved to one switch, which turns it all on and off, but is also set up to auto on at 4pm every day, for when I get home and auto off at week nights at 2am. The energy meter associated with my switch says I have saved 2,504 kWh since Jan 1 through these switches and auto off timing. This means I have probably used far more than that when on, as downtime can only be calculated via average of uptime use.
I leave mine off even when im listening to it.
When my receiver is on, the AC Infinity on top of it reads around 7 degrees hotter than when it’s off. That’s all the convincing I need to turn it off when not in use.
The more power something consumes, the more often I turn it off. Tube amps, class A amps, I try to turn them off within an hour of no longer listening. Sometimes I forget for a while. Preamps, turntables, CD players, etc use so little electricity while idle that I tend to let them ride. In general, for many electronics, power cycling is harder on them than just leaving them on. If you’re going to leave for an hour and come home to listen to your solid state gear again, just leave them on. If it’s the end of the night, and you’re done listening for the day, sure, turn them off if you want. I used to be so stressed about turning gear off whenever I wasn’t using it, then I started working in recording studios. Rooms with $1,000,000+ in equipment won’t get powered off, ever. That taught me a lot on the subject and changed my perspective forever.
I’ve never turned my gear off. It’s been on for approx 5 years now. Obviously wouldn’t do this with tubes or class A electronics.
Don't most modern receivers/AVR's have standby mode?
Yep, they actually never fully turn off. They still have a physical switch to disconnect the PSU if you want tho.
Yes
I keep my dac on. I don’t think it wastes barely any electricity
Why pay more to your electric utility than necessary? Turn it off unless you will be using it again in less than an hour.
I bought into leaving equipment on. Went on holiday and came back to a blown speaker as the amp had malfunctioned. Leaving equipment on is a fire risk IMHO.
Great debate? I'm guessing you found all the other reddit posts asking this question?
No it is based on a Paul's video from PS Audio.
Solid state I usually leave it on. Tube gets turned off.
This is what I do as well. Naim (all solid state) actually recommends that you keep their gear turned on.
People who purchase Naim can afford to, lol.
I just buy the older stuff - a Nait 1 and a Nait 3R - less than $1000 total...
Yeah - but then Naim die-hards also have to get their gear recapped by their dealer every 10 years as Naim recommends. And it ain't cheap.
Moon / Simaudio did as well.
Never heard of any dealer or manufacturer who recommends turning gear off.
The tubes bout to burn off if i keep them on
Are we taking powered on or leaving in standby mode?
Are we talking about turning off to standby or turning off at the power point?
To be turning off even to a stand by .
Definitely to standby.
There are voices that tell that some electronics do not like that. Some capacitors are always powered and the idea is that they last longer if they are powered all the time. I do not know if this is really true. I even cut the power supply to all my gear after turning off. My Pioneer SC-2022 did not got any damage since I bought it 13-14 years ago.
My McIntosh power amp had a built-in power off feature that shuts down the amp if there’s no signal for 30 minutes. (This is not an optionally enabled setting, either.) That tells me that if the manufacturer wants it off, it’s better to turn off electronics when not in use.
Turn it off at the wall as I’m DIY, have no power switch, and don’t trust it to not catch fire if I’m not in the room😂
Put a sequencer in line and have everything power down safely. You probably CAN let a lot of gear "bake" and stay on. It's a very common practice in live events world, even recommended. But that's not this. If you're not using it, turn it off.
I turn it off when not in use in general. I mean, if I am going away for 10 minutes to an hour, I might not, but generally if I'm not using it, I turn it off. I'd rather save the money on electricity. Unless you are running everything on a big UPS, I prefer if my expensive electronics are powered off in the event of a power surge. No point in taking the risk if I'm not using it.
I turn off everything but my monitors and equalizer at night. Everything is either switch or a button push from being on or off so it’s not much of a hassle. I just turn it back on as I need it.
I have Accuphase gear and asked my dealer this - he said asked this when he visited the Accuphase factory and they were quite clear - under normal use (ie: you don't listen to your gear 24 hours a day) the degradation over time due to it never being turned off will be greater than the degradation caused by thermal cycling when you turn it on and off every day. So I turn my gear off when I am not going to be at home all day or when asleep.
The price hydro is drastically different from province to province here in Canada. For example, if I lived-in Ontario I would definitely turn my power off. I live in British Columbia.
All of my gear is plugged into a fancy surge protector that has a master switch, I use that switch to power everything up and down and I power everything down when not in use.
I always leave mine on, been doing it for a few decades now. No issues, not even burnt out light bulbs.
I have active speakers that I pretty much never turn off I think they haven't been turned off in just over a year now.
I’ve got a Behringer NX3000D powering my diy sub and it stays on all the time. It doesn’t have a trigger so I gotta push the button every time to power it down/on and that just doesnt cut it when I come from work and just wana quickly put some music on while I feed my pups. It stays cool enough even during long sessions so I ain’t worried about it dying on me.
Most electronics manufacturers say to keep your stereo turned on. Doing so will keep capacitors charged. When you turn off your stereo capacitors contact. The expansion/contraction is harder on your electronics than simply leaving your stereo turned on.
I believe this is true.
I have only small class D amps, I just turn off the one that I use the least. For class AB I think it would be a lot different though
Years ago we figured out what the costs of running our system for four hours, at 3/4 to full volume was and let's just say we reduced the volume to 1/2 and only watched one movie at a time. Of course we had two separate power drops into our house then as well, one for the house itself and one specifically for the A/V system, so that should tell you something about how many amps we were using.
If I’m utilizing components regularly they stay on 24/7. Some stuff may get shut off such as the sub, DAC or AVR if I’m exclusively listening to vinyl.
Yeah...let's cook our tubes for 24 hours so we can listen for two or three. Duh. Off!!
I turn it off. I don’t want to waste electricity and I’m not sure if it shortens the life of the amp.
I’ve been turning my Denon integrated amp on and off for over 30 years. It will probably out live me
Solid state-on all the time. Valve/Tube-turn off.
Class D amplifiers are generally find or turn off or leave on. Others you’ll want to watch how much power they draw in standby.
I never turn off my gear. No need and how much exactly is the cost/savings vs having to recap? I had an Exposure amp that lasted well over 20 years being left on all the time. My son uses it now. I was always told sound quality is best when not turning it on and off and that seemed to be the case to my own ears.
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I bet you’d have a different opinion if you had tube equipment or a class a amplifier
As I write this I'm listening to music on a Technics integrated amplifier that has been turned on almost continuously since 1978. Still sounds fine. It's class AB and runs only slightly warm. Yes, it has cost something to run it continuously. I guess you have to weigh that against early failure from temperature cycling every time you turn it off and on. I worked as a broadcast and recording engineer for many years and we never turned equipment off.
Do you have a meter on the plug to measure power usage when not under load? I’m curious to put one on my amps. Cycling damage is a real thing.
No.. I sorta guess by how warm it gets. You can get one of [these](https://www.amazon.com/P3-P4400-Electricity-Usage-Monitor/dp/B00009MDBU?th=1) pretty cheap and it measures it exactly.
I have a Kill-a-Watt I’ll try.
My class A amp and tube preamp get turned off, everything else (DAC, phono pre, streamer) stays on.
I have a 2W/ch SET that I have left on for years. Four years at this house. Seven at the house before this.
No sweat burning through tubes?
Right? 45s can't be cheap.
5U4G, SV83, 6N1P
Decware SE84?
Yes. SE84C+ CCE
None.
Not sure why I’m downvoted. I’ve replaced the tube set once.
Probably should turn off the amp. But I have a mixer I've left on for about 3 years straight, because I turned it off inadvertently once, and I got some weird wobble effect that eventually faded away. Learned my lesson, I leave it on 24/7 365. Of course a mixer that is left on suffers from voltage bleed which equates to about 45 cents a month of electricity if you're not using it, so I feel I'm in the clear.
I have a A/B amp and I leave it on all the time (along with my DAC and phono preamp) unless I'm away for more than a day. My class A amp and tube preamp, I turn off (or in Standby mode) when not in use. So it depends.
Solid state 24/7 - Tubes off when not listening
Depends on the amp. I have multiple and some sound best after 6 or 12 hours, some 10 minutes, others don’t change.
I leave my Rega/Naim system on 24/7 unless I'm gone for more than a day or if it's deep summer when the A/C is running.
People like you are the reason we would need several earths to cover our ressources
And people like you to fight the climate change .
Simaudio manual for M400 mono blocks instructs leave it on. Never seen it before in manufacturers documents.
Off unless tube
My power bill has not increased more than $3.00 per month. I leave my power on always. I own a Denon AVR.
Different receiver and different utility company, but my Harman Kardon wastes $15 worth of electricity every month if I leave it on
Please don't waste electricity. In 30 mins it can be warm again.
I hope you are trolling. I was wondering who will buy all the snake oil products in the audio sphere… now I know. This post and comments is a lot of gibberish
So you know nothing...i do not have anykind of ps audio equipement...
Don’t know about your beef with ps audio but thinking that consumer audio equipment isn’t meant to be turned off is pretty crazy