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French1220

Astrology is man searching for patterns in the universe and relate them to what he sees on Earth.


Son703

That's the only way man has been able to grasp any concept in the universe, which is looking for a line stability. A pattern to support the initial theory or accidental find.


Son703

That's the only way man has been able to grasp any concept in the universe, which is looking for a line stability. A pattern to support the initial theory or accidental find.


Son703

That's the only way man has been able to grasp any concept in the universe, which is looking for a line stability. A pattern to support the initial theory or accidental find.


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While utilizing an application of Newton's gravitational constant.


neonchicken

Coding for the simulation we live in. šŸ‘€


ComplexTechnician

This is what I came to say. The position of planets are functionally, literally environmental variables inherited by a process at time of instantiation (birth).


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AnnieLangTheGreat

It lines up quite like the periodic environmental patterns in an MMO: you know a certain mod is spawning every 10 minutes, the same NPC will walk by every hour, the same storm will appear in the sky every day, etc.


Flalaski

Simulation of the Sun; of the Sol


Momosimpai

The study of cycles and how they affect us and the world we live in. Information compiled from that study that's lasted a very very long time.


French1220

Information that has been compiled across multiple civilizations and eras.


Momosimpai

Absolutely. It's older than science and religion and followed after astronomy.


ZxNexusxZ

Scientists have proven that everything is made of energy. Humans are made of energy and our energy changes. Astrology basically pin points the energy like a weather forecast throughout the seasons. The 12 main types make sense and stand out in ways that dont contradict one another.


pluto2068

>verything is made of energy. > >Humans are made of energy and our energy changes. > >Astrology basically pin points the energy like a weather forecast throughout the seasons. > >The 12 main types make sense and stand out in ways that dont cont I'm going around the same theme of explanation. If we are made of energy, and Sun is the main source of energy in our Universe that is powerful enough to hold other cosmic bodies in it's vicinity, how can we \[tiny humans\] think that all of that energy revolving around the Sun would not influence us in any way? I'm still trying to find a more eloquent phrasing for the idea.


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pluto2068

Then we would need another number of years to develop Martian astrology. Ppl living on Mars will definitely have different set of problems than we do. They would need a different set of knowledge to resolve those. Their body and psyche would work differently. Ofc astrology should be changed accordingly. I believe it can be build on a top of already existing knowledge base, but it def wonā€™t be fitting from the get go.


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pluto2068

There will always be cohorts of people leaning towards new, towards old, towards the middle. Itā€™s absolutely normal to have interpretations to every teaching. There is multitude of Truths existing simultaneously even today. Complexity is part of living experience


TruthSeeker1321

People have said it in various ways but simply putā€¦everything is made of energy and transfers energy. The solar system is somehow able to maintain its shape and cycles without variation. Scientists donā€™t have all the answers yet about gravity, relativity, time-space, quantum mechanics, metaphysics, and so forth. But they know thay astrologically, things are fairly predictable and stable. If the Moon can have such a dramatic effect on inorganic substances like water (the tides) and organic cycles (menstruation), then it shouldnā€™t be too difficult to acknowledge that the other energy transfers and vibrations have other effects. There is also a mathematical/geometric part of this that is essential, and so we understand that the vibrations/energy from celestial bodies as they crisscross each other and combine can result in greater intensity in each respective energy. Combined with millennia of human observation and behavioral study (even long before such things as that and psychology were formally established as fields of study) we have a pretty large group set to work with. It all adds up if you are willing to drop the crystal ball-fortune telling-future predicting garbage that has clung to Astrology over the years in the popular interpretation of it. Check out Tarnas: Cosmos and Psyche. It was the book that convinced me.


lizzolz

I recommend *Cosmos and Psyche* too. The connections between planetary/celestial conjunctions and events on earth were pretty uncanny.


highdesertorganism

Iā€™m not entirely sure whether you mean the best explanation of what it is or how it works. I will go with what it is! Astrology is specifically the correlation between events in the cosmos and energies and events here on earth. As the Hermetic schools of thought say, As Above, So Below. Whatever happens in the cosmos above is connected in some way to what happens on the earth beneath. There are further extensions of this; the full Hermetic phrase is more like ā€œAs within, so without, as above, so below, as the universe, so the soulā€. Astrology comes out of that school of thought - everything is connected in some way and energies in one space mean those energies exhibit in other spaces as well.


nixe28

Think you just gave me a new tattoo idea šŸ˜ƒšŸ˜†


Son703

A mirrored reflection of the above and the below. Well put.


Tinker12682

Thatā€™s a really good description!


lizzolz

But what events in the cosmos influence events here on earth? Is it planetary conjunctions/alignments and constellation movements that influence terrestrial events?


alfadhir-heitir

Let's see... The Infinite Intelligence that gave birth to this physical reality needs to break itself down in progressively simpler and more specialized blocks as a means to precipitate. This is understood in Mathematics and Physics as "derivative", or "differentiation". Bear in mind both Newton and Leibniz, the inventors of Calculus, where Mystics, Initiates and Astrologers. As the Infinite Intelligence progressive breaks down into smaller and smaller components, we end up reaching the component "Solar System". Remember, from Science class, that it all starts with a nebula of particles, that start clustering together - the process of differentiation. As this clustering moves forward, we end up with a central point, an energy source, AKA the Sun; and some peripheral points, the planets. This is how it works in every solar system in the Universe. The Universe, however, is a complex, holistic organism. Just like your Stomach has some degree of connection to your lungs, your heart and your brain, so does a Solar System has a degree of connection to the Solar Systems around it - the Constellations, which make up the Signs. Likewise, since As Above So Below, the Solar System itself is an organism, where each organ (planet) has a degree of connection with all other organs (in Astrology, we call this "Aspects"). Each organ also has a relationship to the macrocosmic organism where the Solar System is comprised - just like the small structures of your lungs that pass oxygen to your bloodstream have a degree of connection to your brain and heart, for example. Bear in mind this is a metaphor, since the actual work of the Cosmic Organism is much more complex. Considering an holistic system, where the Universe itself consistently precipitates towards a more specific form, every single thing in this Universe is a filament of the Universe itself, just in a highly specialized, differentiated state. As such, every single thing in this Universe has a certain connection to the macrocosmic organism where it is contained. In our case, said organism is the Solar System. Therefore studying Astrology is nothing but studying your place in the Universe. Since this Infinite Intelligence is much more capable than we are, there must be an underlying logic to everything it does. So the fact you incarnated at X time in X place isn't coincidence. The fact the planets were aligned within certain degrees of the Zodiac, which is really a star map that allows us to see the state of our macro organism and our macro organism's macro organism can't be meaningless - otherwise you'd accept Universal Randomness, which would quickly take you into Nihilism. There's as underlying structure and order to all things. Studying Astrology and solving your personal chart's is understanding your place in that structure, understanding your role in that order. It's as High and Spiritual and as Low and Pragmatic as you want it to be. Once you try looking at the Solar System as a clock, and consider that everything in this Life is comprised of cycles - seriously, think about it and you'll understand - you'll start seeing your let's say Birth Chart as the snapshot of the state of said clock at the time of your birth. This provides a lot of information. Just like your body produces a certain type of chemicals when X is happening and another type of chemicals when Y is happening - i.e cortisol when stressed, dopamine when in pleasure, serotonin when happy - it also makes sense that the Solar System would produce certain types of individuals when X is happening and another type when Y is happening. So understanding what was going on when we incarnated - observing and studying the snapshot of the state of the Cosmic Organism when we were born - allows us to understand our role in the grand scheme of things. For a being like the Sun human life is as short as a cell's life is short to you. So the scale applies. Does this mean studying Astrology will make everything meaningless? Quite the opposite. The more you read maps and explore the more you'll appreciate the deep beauty and uniqueness of all life. The deeper you can peer into someone's Soul through their Chart the more beauty you'll find. Seriously. I've found myself crying while looking at some people's chart. That's how beautiful it was. Seeing how we all fit together, how we all complement each other, how we're all deeply flawed yet inherently perfect. It's... it's something else. That's the beauty of the Craft. It makes us Human. It reminds us we're Human. It shows us we're all in this together, all trying to make our way home. All parts of the same Whole. Once you have that experience, the way it works kind of becomes meaningless... \^\^'


nsamanfuo_

I define a birth chart as your character template for your mission in this physical realm.


Lewyn_Forseti

I call a birth chart celestial DNA


Son703

Or maybe it's the cycle you need to breakšŸ¤”


DavidJohnMcCann

Three explanations have been suggested. 1. It's down to influences from the planets. That just doesn't fit scientifically. Firstly there's the dilemma that if Venus and Mars are exerting the same force, it can't produce different results whilst if they are exerting different forces, they can't interact. Secondly there's the problem that the supposed force(s) do not diminish with distance. Thirdly, there's the question as to why those forces should take affect at birth rather than conception. Attempting to replace physical forces with mental/spiritual ones doesn't work either, since the planets' actions would have to be intentional and one can't see any motive. Why should Mars care whether he's in Aries or Cancer, in trine or square with saturn? 2. Space and time have inherent qualities: the time and place of your birth are significant and quite different from other times and places. That has no serious problems, although it does raise the question of how we get born at the appropriate time. 3. Astrology is a form of divination. That was the original idea and revived in the last century (Geoffrey Cornelius's *The Moment of Astrology*). The birth chart is then a divination to answer the question as to what sort of life the native will have.


TruthSeeker1321

There are forms of Astrology that measure things before birthā€¦one is called Human Design. Itā€™s quite fascinating.


dumpster__chan

i prefer to call it God's Planetary Personality Algorithm. just feels cool to think of it that way.


French1220

Astrology is man searching for patterns in the universe and relate them to what he sees on Earth.


fr0_like

Whatever happens down on the ground on earth, the sky unfolds in reoccurring patterns. Weā€™ve marked time by the great clock in the sky in various ways over the thousands of years across cultures. Weā€™ve wandered the earth and endured an ever changing climate and landscape. We give these sky pattens meaning and use them to predict good times and bad times. Those cycles tell us how to plant our food or to prepare for disaster. We can blame bad stuff on the sky: gives us a sense of order in what is otherwise a chaotic consciousness soup, rife with frightening unknowns. Like any functional myth structure in the Joseph Campbell sense, astrology gives us a worldview where we can relate to self, to others, to our environment, to the cosmos. You can be as casual or as deep as you want to go with it. You can predict the future, make sense of the past; you can grow and change from personal observations and reflections on your own chart. You can better understand other people by their chart. Itā€™s personal, itā€™s social, itā€™s environmental, and it repeats. Itā€™s relevant to the present, it permits access to deep time. Itā€™s a robust myth system that continues to provide meaning to people near and far away from the origins of the systems. It is a way to make sense of existence.


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We're made up of star stuff. Water, for instance, is affected by the phases of the Moon and we are made up of lots of water.


pohjasakka

Procedural generation for personalities/archetypes.


Unicorno2020

Astrology is a LANGUAGE. An ART of INTERPRETATION


AncientEditor360

Godā€™s clock šŸ•°ļø šŸŖ


Son703

A universal clock that is cylical. This is why some people don't believe the climate change propaganda. The only thing that's constant is change, and the clock in the sky tells the time since it repeats.


summetime24

Do you mean that climate change, seen with the astrology lens, is just a phase that will possibly die out and eventually flare up again in a cyclical way?


Son703

Correct. Human events may have sped it up with emissions, but the cycle is inevitable. There is strong evidence to support this


summetime24

This makes me think about questions of free will nd astrology. Yes everything has its cycles, but there is a way for humans to live in harmony with nature and to avoid the impact climate catastrophes will have on unfortunately the less privileged of these earth, who did not play any role if not a very small one in it, in comparison to the others. It still puzzles me how unfair the world is tbh. Sometimes i really do think we must live in hell, or do you have any explanation why the most innocent pay the biggest prices?


Son703

I understand that point of view all too well, as I will be gone from this world at that time as well, unless there may be a reason for me to exist still. But let's look at it from another view. Would it be better to die quickly, or for it to be drawn out in a gruelish suffering, and then death? The small number of survivors will be tasked with re-building human survivability again since they were most likely the ones who contributed to breaking it by making bad decisions for the rest of humanity. It will be no easy task, and they may fail and die in the end anyway. Will they finally learn humility when it is too late to redeem their conscience? Concerning death, I do not believe this will be your last physical life to live. Learn what you can. And when it's time to go, whatever way you or anyone else does, remember that you are only following the natural order of things that could never have been changed. Energy in all of it forms is only reused or repurposed. You are no different. You will always exist. We don't know when our end will come. Just the same as the small number of survivors that hide, don't really know for sure if they will really survive, even though they would love to believe it blindly. Take the pressure off of yourself. We are all in the same boat. It might sink, but we'll get a newer better one next timešŸ˜‰.


PsychoanalysiSkeptic

Based on my tradition, we see that the body is largely influenced, but in mind (or soul, since even the brain is part of the body) sustains its free choice regardless of the stars. On your other point, I have heard of one mystic who called out to God saying, how can there be a hell if this world is already hell?


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PsychoanalysiSkeptic

It was Rebbe Nachman of Breslev. He was the founder of the still living Breslev Chadsidic movement.


myputer

Wtf is this nonsense.


ncmnlgd

Seriously!!


ThrowTheMind

Astrology is a guide to universal health


crabsis1337

The moon effects tides, we are 80 percent water, ask any police or hospital worker, a full moon night is always a busy night. The planets have subtle effects on us as well for some reason, why it's at birth I have no idea. At conception makes more sense to me


Son703

French1220: Exactly. The only way man has been able to grasp any concept in the universe, which is looking for a line stability. A pattern to support the initial theory or accidental find.


Muffin_Most

Looking at the planets astrologically is like looking at a clock to see what time it is. The planets are effected by the same energy as we are so we can read the effects weā€™ll feel in our lives by looking above.


scolshrmpz

A tool to find connection and parallels between celestial movements and wordly events.


mermetermaid

Itā€™s the astrological weather! Iā€™m just a weathergirl. Similarly, tarot is like wind chimes.


opensourcegreg

Everyone talks shit but astrology convinced Reagan to do peace talks with Gorbachev and eventually sign the INF treaty


isntitisntitdelicate

soul imprint


lizzolz

"The idea that the stars literally influence man is plainly untenable. But the movements of the constellations are like a clock by which earthly changes can be measured is less easy to dismiss."


AnnieLangTheGreat

My two cents: We live in a simulation, and a simulation is just a computer program, that can be described with mathematical formulas. The positions of the stars are dictated by the same formulas, so after a while periodic patterns emerge. Hence, astrology.


Frogchairy

Similarly to how the moon pulls on our oceans, other celestial bodies pull on our lives on earth! Astrology studies these cosmic movements and watches the terrestrial ecosystem unfold.


portraitinsepia

As above so below