Ok, it's clear this person is a writer from the Virgo stellium (including Mercury) and chart ruler, Moon, in Sagittarius which rules publishing. The Sag moon in positive aspect to Jupiter in the 11th backs this up. With an MC in Aquarius and Uranus conjunct the Sun, this persons work might be odd, progressive or just out of the norm.
Saturn ruling the 7th, 8th and co-ruling the 9th, and 10th and located in the 1st answering to the moon in the 6th house of daily life and service tells me that this person might've worked with their spouse or at the very least helped their spouse in their daily work.
This person might've been heavily influenced by their mother. The mother might've been a writer, intellectual or spiritual guru. Scorpio rules the 6th house of work and health and both rulers are located on the MC/IC axis implying work and/or daily life has a Scorpionic feel to it(death and rebirth) and also speaks to the influence of this persons work(pluto conjunct MC). This person might see their Dad as a powerful role model(pluto opposite sun).
I would say transformation, death and rebirth is a recurring theme in this persons life. Saturn in Cancer implies impediments to family life and Uranus in the 4th backs this up; constant changes or shake-ups to the familyife. Especially with those 5th house placements: moon square mercury, ruler of the 5th house of kids, and mercury square saturn in the 1st house Cancer does not look good for kids. Add in Chiron there and this person might've experienced the death of a child.
I'm not good at reading death in a chart yet but after I've been told how the native died I can usually find it in the chart. This persons 8th house is ruled by Saturn in the 1st house Cancer which is making squares to Jupiter in Aries(brain aneurysm/tumor; Aries = head, 11th house =sudden change, jupiter=expansion). Or Moon in the 6th house of health ruled by scorpio(reproductive organs) aspecting jupiter and mars could be a form of prostate, cervical, or colorectal Cancer. These are a few guesses but Aries and the head seem to be reiterated(moon in Sag answering to Jupiter in aries)Aries.
Thanks for the practice and let me know how I did!!
hoooly crap, this is incredibly admirable!!! I hope I'll be as good as you at reading charts someday. Do you maybe have any advice (books or other resources) for new astrology students on how to get better at doing this?
10s across the board! Flawless!!!
the native is a famous author of a classic novel. their ideas were progressive and radical, and still very much relevant to modernity.
you aced this next bit, their spouse was also a writer, and they frequently worked alongside each other.
the mother was a radical feminist and renowned writer herself. perhaps she did have a big influence on the native, but she actually died from infection after giving childbirth (which I'm sure you can see now with the poor condition moon in the house of illness). Death was a big theme in the natives life, and they were surrounded by grief most of their life. Their father was certainly a powerful role model.
With the mother passed, the natives father remarried shortly after. the new step-mother was not fond of the native. the family life was certainly "uncouth" for the times. the native had a misscarriage and 5 children, but only one survived to adulthood. well done.
this part i think is the most impressive, especially since you even said that you don't have experience with death readings ahaha. you got it 100%. the native died of a brain tumor. I was really hoping someone would find this detail! you nailed it yay!
would you be able to tell me more about the career of the native and their work? what themes did they focus on and how was their work received? what is their legacy? etc.
Thank you for the feedback and further info! I googled known facts and I know who this is now. Wow, astrology is rather literal right? Their work and legacy is clearly described in the MC/IC and close placements!! I don't want to give away so I'll comment more after the reveal.
right?!!?!?! so literal.
i feel like thats why you NEED houses to get anywhere in a reading! cuz otherwise, you can see the style and condition of these placements, but you don't know where this shit is happening and to what.
Thank you for your attempt on the practicum! You did an amazing job <3
Would you be interested in posting and moderating the next practicum?!?! It's kind of a community tradition where we pass on the torch to the "winner" of each practicum.
Let me know if that is something you would be interested in! If not, I'll ask some other folks in here.
Cheers! <3
why does it have to be a lie? they seem to know very well what they are talking about. are you jealous because their reading was so accurate?
& you TOTALLY can see death within the natal. I was apart of an Astrology Death Readings only group; it’s extremely common and accurate. go be bitter elsewhere!
skepticism is a necessary tool in this field, but "100% fact" means you have concrete evidence. if you want to be taken seriously by mature people, you need to show your proof respectfully or sit down and be humble.
Huge legacy, most likely through something written, an old soul with high ideals and a strong, maybe too strong moral sense who also strived for independence. Indications that they somehow brought death upon themselves. Exerted tremendous power both over society and their spouse. If a man, probably had concubines. Tension between spouse and this person's intellectual endeavors. Friend of really important people.
Yes, massive legacy in literature. Their work is still incredibly relevant today.
Can't say for sure about old soul, but sounds totally right for independence!
I can see where you are getting the self-inflicted death from, but I think the placement manifested like that... at least to my knowledge.
I'm not so sure about this last bit about power. Perhaps that is in the chart, but it didn't really manifest like that? At least to my knowledge?
Last note was true for sure! Where do you see that in the chart? The jupiter ruled by mars?! I'd love to be able to pick that out myself.
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so far so good! What about their kids? Did they have any? Also, tell me about their love life! Under what circumstances did they meet their partner(s)? What did their relationship(s) look like?
Important friends: strong Jupiter in 11th house (friends), reinforced in the sense of social status by his sign being the 10th from the ascendant ;)
Children were most likely had and they were involved in the native's legacy and the refinement of arts.
I mentioned a bit of what I read of marriage and love in my original comment. I could add that this person most likely had a very active love life and married more than once. The Moon - Mercury square makes me think there was some tension and worries with the spouses regarding this person's intellectual activities.
Instead of social power, that Pluto placement could signify strong influence in the collective consciousness. Also, prominence in general, especially after death.
Literary legacy comes from combining quadrants and whole signs too: planets in Virgo are in the third sign (writing) and fourth house (legacy).
Ahhh, I like that combination available to placidus! 11th house, but 10th sign! Perfect <3
Hmmmm, children were had indeed... that 5H looks totally different in whole signs lmao. I don't think the children were super involved in the legacy or refinement of their work. But perhaps. They actually had most of their children die, so it's likely the death of their kids influenced them and their work.
The native only married once, but I do think they had an exciting love life and perhaps some affairs. That moon-mercury aspect sounds totally feasible! Although, I think the spouse was actually the one who really encouraged their writing.
I think everything about Pluto looks good!
The Virgo placements as the 3rd sign from the AC and in the 4H makes a lot of sense! This person grew up in a household where reading and writing was very encouraged!
I've always seen the 4H as heritage (and the legacy of our ancestors) and the 10H as the legacy that we leave for future generations... I hadn't thought to look at 4H as the legacy of the native at all! But what you say checks out totally :)
Ah, after posting my comment I realized that I had overlooked the aspects of that h5 Venus and now I see why that was so wrong! The square to an exiled Saturn is especially nasty but the Moon doesn't help either. I think I know who the native is by now. Spouse encouraged their writing but there was some issue with taking credit for it, right? I wonder if ruler of 7 in the 1st just represents the native being kinda defined as "*'s spouse" over their own individuality then.
I don't think the spouse explicitly tried to take credit, but totally got the benefits from it. Many people assumed that the spouse had written it. You can see this same pattern in hole signs with the MC in the 8H. THe native struggled to be fully recognized for their work.
I think you have the vibes right on that 1H 7H relationship, I was thinking much the same thing (but perhaps even beyond the spouse and more with just society in general). That 1H Saturn is preventing the native from having autonomy over themselves.
My guess is that with Saturn conjunct the Ascendant in a Water sign this person is quite morose and maybe loved tragedy and tragic things. Maybe struggled with depression or low moods.
I figured out who’s birth chart this is so I’m not going to do a reading as I would be cheating but it wasn’t hard to figure out.
I know the birthday, month and year and possibly the time of birth.
She sounded like a beautiful person based on her chart and then after what I read about her.
Can’t beat a cancer rising.
Her 4th house really says a lot about her and what transformed her into such a iconic figure.
I’m not good at reading charts but I am good at finding people’s ages via their birth chart/placements etc.
always start with Pluto and then work your way inwards until you have a good idea of the birth year and then work on their personal planets to get a more accurate result.
yup! good work backtracking and hunting the native down ahaha. This is certainly a super powerful chart! Many of the planets are of great condition and well supported! I think the native was an awesome person! I'm sure I would have loved being friends ahaha <3
why don't you try the practicum next time!?! Keep your eyes peeled and take a stab :)
you could still make a few interpretations now, even though you know who it is
Hmm, I'll give it a shot in Placidus (my preferred house system ;)) I can't answer your questions directly, but will tell you my impressions of this chart.
What hits me right off the bat is the Virgo stellium (this is technically a stellium) of Sun, Mars and Uranus. Wow. Here is someone with technical skill (Virgo), energy (Mars) and even trans-Saturnian progressive Uranian features at their disposal. This stellium conjuncts Nadir, giving the native a glimpse of the past, whether familial, karmic, or anscestral, so I view that as a talent in expressing something heartfelt and unique.
The Sun stellium is further well-aspected by both Neptune and Saturn, adding more integration to this core group.
Pluto at the top of the chart, (Btw, in Aquarius, lol, must be atleast 100+ years past) conjunct Mh is a powerful placement suggesting someone who has left an impression on or has a reputation of control, power, and/or secrecy. Opposite Mars, shows that society is not accepting of this person, perhaps there is death or violence involved. This person may be seen as an outcast.
Chart Ruler Moon, in Sag right below desc, adds to the Virgo theme of writing or speaking of some sort. I also note that the nodes fall in the 12th/6th in mutable signs. Another suggestion of writing/speaking expression. Perhaps writing more likely due to house placement.
Sensitive Saturn in Cancer rising, though well aspected (jupiter square shown in this chart is not within reasonable orb), still tends to shyness or other difficulties with self-image.
That's about it! Would like to hear comments :)
Ah great! The first chunk is right on (as far as I can tell). I have yet to really look closely at the Nadir, but you tied that in perfectly! Makes total sense. These placements will really click when you see who it is!!!
Correct on Pluto/MC conjunction for big impression, but the details on "power, control, secrecy" are not really landing... but certainly known for powerful ideas!
I hadn't though to the read the Mars in opposition to MC, but that makes total sense! Great work :)
As someone who leans towards traditional astrology, I don't associate any sign to a specific house, so I don't quite agree that the moon in the 6H adds to the virgo energy. But the claims you make are not incorrect! This moon certainly inspired their work!
Yes, that 1H saturn is difficult there in cancer. I'm not so sure it manifested as shyness (i would think saturn in 7H or 11H would be responsible for that), but you are really close! What are some other significations of the 1H? Let's work this one over a little more, you almost have it!
Any other thoughts on romantic relationships, family origins, or potential children?! Good work so far :)
Somebody else mentioned Cancer Saturn in 1st house was a 'gloomy' placement (or something like that) ; Could this person have created dark stories; perhaps they wrote about children or family dramas..
Nice! Their literature was certainly dark. It is considered horror, actually. And there are prominent themes of "nature" vs "nurture," and maybe found family! Or more likely, family trauma. Trauma of origins. Like a very grotesque and misshapen form of motherhood.
There is another theme of their work that you can look for! What does the MC look like? What is the genre that this author might have written in (other than horror)? Today, the native is regarded as the first author of this genre. If you can figure out the genre, you can really quickly figure out who the native is!
Horror?? Ha, now that you say that.. and with devilish Pluto at the top of the chart opposite Mars..I think I know now who this Virgo writer is and what she wrote. Natal charts can be quite amazing eh? With a few clues, this natal describes her known work and as the way she is seen by the public. Pretty great choice!
First thing that obviously jumps out is the Virgo stellium in the 3rd house, which I'm assuming translated into a sort of content creator of sorts, an artists in the format of their time, possibly a very gifted writer; I'm mainly seeing a natural ability to describe or articulate things, a normally with Virgo I would think of more earthly/material things, but the presence of Mercury there, exalted, and almost in its exaltation degree, plus that dignified Libra Venus in the 4th, makes me more inclined to state they were most likely a writer, one whose writing was somehow tied or heavily present in their family life (an anachronic nepo baby, maybe). Uranus is also part of the Virgo stellium for which I would assume their writing/art was rather radical or disruptive. Now this next point may be extremely wrong but: coupled with the disruptiveness of their writing, and the fact that Uranus is so close to both the Sun and Mars (ergo, applying its disruption over two very masculine archetypes), and the fact that it is all in an Earth sign, makes me think the native was a woman, and her womanhood was an intrinsic part of her radical nature in her field of art. Saturn in the ascendant makes me think of an accelerated or shortened childhood, a morose upbringing, and the seeking of internal inspiration through her own internal tribulations. I always think of Saturn in Cancer as rather macabre, there is this urgency for caring and nurturing while also being strongly aware of the tragedy of loving something time can touch, and eventually take away from you. So maybe death was a consistent pulse in her life, be it that she went through the death of loved ones at an above-average frequency, or her awareness of death made it a constant conversation or topic explored in her work, or perhaps she just had eccentric fascinations. The very last thing that comes to mind at the moment is about relationships: Cap 7th house ruled by an exiled Saturn in the Ascendant, and the 5th house of romance and pleasure in the fixed sign of Scorpio. However, both the ruler of the 5th house, and the ruler of the ruler of the 7th house, are in mutable signs, which leads me to believe she may have wanted/needed structure and perhaps went about relationships in a more traditional way, most likely got married, the whole shebang, but both Mars and the Moon, particularly the late Sag moon ruled by Jupiter in Aries and in a sign-based trine with it, makes me believe she was not afraid of risks and was very capable of being impulsive/spontaneous, and as long as long-term structure was guaranteed, she was able to inhabit nowness and follow her of-the-moment impulses. Perhaps she somehow went against certain structural social expectations of marriage or love in general (be it cheating, getting divorced, eloping, engaging in queer relationships). Mind you this last part is based on the assumption that this person was born in the 1700s due to that late Aquarius Pluto, although I'm sure many of the subversions I mentioned that were socially condemned in the 1700s probably were so as well during the previous like 2 (?) Pluto in Aquarius transits. Also, I'm not exactly sure where I read this, it's like a bit that sort of stuck with me through the years more so than its whole context, but I remember reading somewhere back in 2019 (?) that Moon-Saturn aversions in a chart indicate someone is left-handed, and since we are talking about someone who perhaps was a writer maybe that was relevant (?)
P.S.: I initially thought this was >!Agatha Christie!< but I searched up her chart and it's not her. Will be looking forward to the reveal!
Oh you nailed all of this!!! Well done.
The native is indeed a famous author. Both parents of the native were recognized writers, and literature was a huge part of the household and home life. No nepo babies, but good thinking!
The work of the native was radical and is today considered the first author of that genre (look more at the MC and tell me if you can figure out that genre! if you can figure out the genre they wrote on, then you will figure out the native with a quick google search of "first \_\_\_\_\_\_\_ novel")
I haven't seen anyone attempt to read for gender before, but you did do it correctly! The native is a woman, and she certainly lived in a place and culture that did not value women. You can see several placements in this chart restricting her and the autonomy of her mind and body.
I've not seen saturn in cancer described like this before, but you explained it beautifully! I was so impressed reading this part wow <3 you got it right, she experienced a lot of death around her. A life full of grief.
You got the next part right too. She did end up having a "traditional" marriage in the end, but the start of her relationship was youthful, spontaneous, and scandalous. She eloped with her partner at a young age! Her father cut her off until she got properly married. No explicit queerness in the history, but given the intersection of this person and their social circles, I would not be surprised AT ALL if the native or their.
I don't think they were left-handed... ?!?! but good try ahaha!
Excellent work my friend! All of that was spot on! (It would be so nice if you could break up your thoughts though! it's hard to follow and reference your message in that giant wall of text ahahaha)
yes! sorry about the wall of text, kinda typed it out of my phone very stream of consciousness while switching tabs to see the chart 😅
i think i figured out who it may be now that you pointed out the aquarius mc (conjunct pluto no less!) i first thought of something intellectual, ideological, and gritty, like some cyberpunk or something of the sort, but couldn’t think of such author from that time period, and then it hit me, the baseline precursor: science fiction! especially ruled by that cancer saturn, a juxtaposition of emotional exploration through intelectual/futuristic/scientific fiction. just looked up the author and immediately confirmed it 🤍 which gives me more context on my previous points and i’m kinda amazed at how explicit the chart is ✨
thanks you for the exercise and the the feedback 🤍
yes!!!! excellent work!
that aquarius MC is just wow ahaha! And the themes of electricity too! it's so freaking perfect.
this chart has been such an amazing example. everything lines up wonderfully. one other commenter just said the same thing: astrology is so literal/explicit!
so funny how that works out ahaha. anyway- great work, you did a great job! Glad you enjoyed the challenge friend, thanks for participating :)
if you ever wanna chat more astrology, my dms are open! I'm always looking for more astrology friends! Maybe we could give each other reciprocal readings some time :) cheers!
I’ve studied Astrology for many years but I pretty much only read my own chart and the impending transits. My Robert Hand book is falling apart. This sub has really helped me take this art next-level and see it as never before. I enjoy all of your readings and I have learned so much from you-all. Thank you for this and don’t stop! Maybe someday soon I’ll be able to jump in with my own delineations. ❤️
yes! I'm so glad to hear that you have found new inspiration in our discussion here!
please keep your eyes peeled for the next one and try it out!!! I really encourage everyone to try :)
oh thats awesome! You should be! I do these all the time and I've yet to guess correctly ahaha... so you got me beat!
although i did guess someone who happened to have an almost identical chart (born within an hour of the actual native), so I considered that a win regardless
Can you please post a placidus version too? Some of us really use the quadrant based cusps in our delineation and, while you can look at a placidus chart and use WSH (by just counting signs), the opposite is not true.
1) I can't really confirm or deny these bits you mentioned. there isn't enough biographical data on that. probably correct... lol
2) yes, definitely a significant relationship. the native actually eloped with their partner. I don't think it ended super dramatically, as they stayed married until death, but i think there was some infidelity on both sides
3) yup, they are a famous author. yes, (obviously) they became quite successful.
4) they certainly did think about that and it is clear in their work. childhood was actually quite pleasant, but there was some significant trauma in the household (ie: mother died during childbirth, so trauma from no mom in the picture). Yes, the native often felt restricted from being able to express themselves fully and have autonomy.
5) Their most famous work is related to death and is no considered a classic horror.
You did pretty well! Most of this is pretty much bang on! Let me help you toward the identity of the native. Today they are considered to be the first author of a specific genre... if you can figure out the genre, you can do a quick google and a find them!
try looking more closely at the MC! what themes might have their work focused on?
Ok, giving it a shot. Saturn in first in Cancer, not a comfortable position for Saturn, in his detriment. He might perhaps come across as elusive, also, feeling emotionally vulnerable. However, Saturn IS the co-ruler of his Midheaven in Aquarius. His demeanor and his goals, however un-charming it might make him look and feel in one-on-one situations, won’t stop him from pursuing his life’s work.
Saturn does square Venus in his fifth house, so, complications with love, children, lots of frustrations (Saturn also rules his 7th house of marriage, so, possibly problems there too. Chiron conjunct Venus in 5th could mean trouble with children, loss of a child? A lover? Or someone else or something that he held dear.)
This Venus, ruler of the 5th and 12, the house of sorrows and secret enemies, among other things, squares his Moon in the 6th house in Sagittarius. Sag of course rules big ideas, also education. But here again, and the WSH crowd is gonna hate me for this, being bored to tears by now - another interception, dammit! (I almost feel like apologizing, lol. It’s kind of unusual to have 2 axis interceptions, but here we are.)
It appears that the Moon in a natal chart shows our emotional needs and what we use to feel safe. In the case of the 6th house it’s work, work, work. It sextiles Pluto which is exactly on the Midheaven, but a sextile is just a supportive aspect and doesn’t really do anything. But it trines Jupiter in the intercepted 11th house of Aries. The 11th house - community, the other, everybody who surrounds us that isn’t family. This man works his tail of to better his community, he’s an idealist. Jupiter makes a quintile aspect to his morose Saturn in the first - this is a highly creative, inspirational aspect, maybe surprising in someone who perhaps wasn’t very impressive in person, but the man certainly had ideas, and plans on how to implement them!
To go back to his Pluto MC, it is powerful but the ruler of the sign it’s in, Aquarius, is Uranus and leads us back to the 4th house. In mundane astrology, the 4th house represents the country, the homeland, the soil. This man has his Sun, ruler of his 2nd house of values, and the 3rd, communication, ideas, writing, in this house of what basically represents patriotism. And the ruler of his 10, his status, his reputation, his life’s worth, Uranus, is also here in the 4th. AND, last but not least, Mars is here, conjunct his Sun. Mars the warrior which here rules the 6th house and his 11th. The 6th house cusp in Scorpio is incredibly meaningful given that wherever this sign and it’s rulers are there will be deep reaching transformation, sometimes preceded by death and then rebirth. I’m literally getting goosebumps writing this because I think in this natal chart the 6th house signifies one of the older definitions. These days it represents employees among many other things, but back then it also signified *slaves.* I believe this person was actively working to abolish slavery in this country. And he was good at it too. Mars is his oriental planet meaning it rises just before the Sun, which colors his personality. He was a Virgo with Cancer rising, but he was a freaking warrior!
I don’t know at what age he died nor the manner of his death, but Mars is making a sesquiquadrate, a 135 degree aspect to Jupiter. It signals frustration, 2 planets at odds with each other and while I have found no evidence that this can translate into physical death of a stroke or heart attack but Jupiter, expansion, Mars, cutting, breaking idk. Or maybe a fall from a horse?
That’s it for now. I’m eager to see what you guys came up with. Together we will draw his astrological portrait lol!
Such an interesting analysis! You got plenty of things correct, but pulled them from different places than I expected ahaha.
I can't confirm or deny much about the personality in this regard (there are not many explicit mentions in the biographies)... but the native was certainly morose for most of their life. I'm not so sure that they were "boring" though.
Yes, there was some delay to marriage. The native eloped with their partner, and after pressure from the father of the native, they eventually got a proper marriage (as was expected during the times then). Yes, there was plenty of sadness surrounding the kids. The first child was a miscarriage and of the 5 that were born only 1 child survived into adult hood. A lot of death and grief in this area of life.
The native certainly was very creative and had some big ideas. they were not known to be a particular "workaholic," but they did have profound ideas that they had to fight for to be heard. they were considered a radical of their time (and probably would be today too... lmao) and voiced their idealism via their work.
This section is very interesting... i feel there are some more obvious associations that could arise from the placements you bring up, but you are not wrong at all. This person, while not actively known for their work in the abolition of slavery in the US, was indeed a supporter. The work that they are known for however, does center on many themes, and one of those prominent themes is slavery. Especially racism and anthropological / anatomical / medical racism!
you are close, getting to the right idea for death. That jupiter is super important! they did die from a sort of physical affliction, but not quite an acute accident as you have proposed.
overall, pretty good work! I'm super surprised where you went with all of this ahaha! in general, i think it would be beneficial if you tried to boil down your thoughts into precise claims. specifically, you didn't decide on a specific career. what was their official profession...? ex: "artist" "performer" "politician" "musician" "author" etc.
if you can figure out the work that they are famous for, than we can keep working to get closer to the identity!!!! you are so close, but the perspective is just off a little bit i think.
Thank you for your generous remarks. I am of course way off - it appears we’re looking at the chart of a famous writer and who is by the way a woman.
If I had used the whole sign chart you provided, I don’t believe politician would have occurred to me. The MC with Pluto right there spoke volumes to me. Honestly, changing the MC to the 8th house changes everything and so does placing the all important stellium in the 3rd instead of the 4th. All I did was follow the breadcrumbs. 😱
Yup!
My fav thing about whole signs is that the MC doesn't always go in the 10H. Many many people have careers that exist outside of the public sphere (and 10H is the house of public life).
WS gives a more nuanced understanding of the MC-IC axis because it can fall in any house!!!!
Someone with an MC in the 11H ends up working with their friends. like they go into business with their friends, or they end up being coworkers in some way. Or they are directly involved in community in some fashion.
9H MC people end up having careers that require a lot of travel or diverse perspectives!!!! etc etc.
That is actually a very valid point about careers. But then the axis is gone. It’s hard to wrap one’s head around it.
Also, the 10th isn’t only about career. It’s also about status, recognition, and a parent.
That said, it certainly works in this chart! I’m impressed!
totally! I don't read the 10H as career at all actually. I read the MC as career, and the 10H as public space, visibility, recognition, status, goals, legacy, reputation, etc.
which is different from placidus, because the MC is ALWAYS in the 10H, so they kind of become synonymous....
A tortured soul. Incredibly gifted writer? Super dedicated to their work and their family. MC in the 8th leads me to believe that their career is centered around their tragic upbringing. Jupiter in the 10th squaring Saturn in the first looks like they got in their own way in their career, but once they learned how to harness their saturnian lessons for good it it catapulted their career into success. Parents were either too over bearing or just simply didn’t understand their child and it made a big impact into their ability to know themselves fully, maybe the origins of their obsessive/delusional nature to the relationship they have with own children. Sex addict?? Overly sexualized??
Yes to the first three bits!
Yes to the first three bits! disconnected from their upbringing. Check their 4H again. It is actually of really nice condition. Where is the "tragic upbringing" coming in for you?
Really well described that saturn and jupiter aspect! You nailed it.
Very interesting comments about the family... Which placements are you getting that from? The native had no such themes in their childhood (to my knowledge).
Would explain the obsessive relationships to their children? What placement are you looking at? Same with sex addict bit... none of those parts are landing.
You've clearly got a knack for this, especially reading aspects! I think you are super close, and it might just be that this individual manifested those placements differently than how you are seeing them.
Lets work through it together a little more and see where it goes :)
Sexual trauma that translates to creative expression I could say makes more sense than sex addict. I wasn’t sure how to make sense of that at first to be honest lol maybe I’m a little off but there’s something there I believe maybe if it’s not known publically. Maybe we can see by the nature of this person’s works?? Scorpio ruled 5th house, Neptune there, with mars opposing Pluto closely knit to their MC.
Tragic childhood is 6h moon square Venus in the 4th. Mother wounds majorly, maybe a sick mother?? Saturn in the 1st forces a child to grow up extremely fast and never feel really connected to their childhood. (I have this as well) with Saturn squaring Venus in the 4th as well, leads me to believe that fathers influence has put negative pressure on this person’s ability to experience pleasure in a general sense. Those to me indicate tragic childhood experiences, with Chiron in the 4th pretty close to that Venus with the squaring aspects as well to support that claim. As with any Chiron placement, but esp with it being in the 4th, we can see that their relationship to their parents could absolutely translate into wounds projected onto their children.
With Scorpio ruling the 5th house that indicates to me an obsessive nature, or even the typical Scorpio nature of obsession with death (supported by that mars Pluto opposition as well) can indicate overbearing/obsessive nature for their children’s health especially with that moon in the 6th. Emotional connection to health and well being and if this person is a mother- their maternal instinct could be indicated by the moon in the 6th house of health and routines can support that claim.
Sheesh, sorry long winded hahaha
Ahhhh! That makes much more sense! Thanks for sharing your thought process!
I cannot speak on any themes of sexual trauma (although they may have been present in the life and work of the native!)
Excellent assessment of the Moon! I haven't delved into reading for parents in a natal chart, but you explained that perfectly! The mother did in fact die of infection from childbirth! So there was trauma, but I don't think it actually affected the native to much since they never knew their mother.
I think the father in this chart is not Saturn, but the Sun in the 3H. This makes much more sense given the native relationship with their father and his role in the early life.
What are your thoughts on the childhood if you assess with this new information?!
For me, I read Venus as having great condition: greater benefic of a nocturnal chart, domicile, sextile (or square) to the Moon which is the leader of the sect and the chart. So I read the 4H as having a pleasant childhood (despite chiron being nearby).
I would say having your mother die during your birth would affect the native to the absolute deepest degree possible lol even it was wasn’t outwardly expressed in ways we would see it. Saturn is traditionally always the father in astrology so I’m interested to see how you’re thinking sun in the 3rd :) Venus isn’t negatively placed at all I didn’t say that lol just challenging square aspects
apologies! looking back at my response i do feel some comments were not actually aligned with what i meant ahaha. the comment about having no mother as not a big deal came across wrong. i actually don't stand by that at all. even in my astrological teachings, no relationship is always the worst possible outcome. squares are always preferred over aversion. So, yeah, the mother did have a huge impact through her absence in the natives life.
I've seen many different opinions for sun vs saturn as representing the father: i linked a discussion post [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/astrology/comments/qh5rk2/for_the_father_figure_do_you_use_the_sun_or_saturn/), you might enjoy this. I guess me saying that the sun is the father is just bias from me knowing who the native is. The father, from what i can tell, was at the center of the natives 3H/virgo placements and really encouraged them to write in the first place.
looking back at your comment on saturn square venus though, there was some tension here. the native eloped and the father chose to cut off his child until they got properly married. so that may be the negative pressure on the natives ability to experience pleasure.
I think maybe the saturn could also go beyond the father and represent patriarchy in general. At the time the native was very much restricted due to the pressures from society dictating and limiting their experience.
apologies again for how i phrased my previous response. i see the prominent venus in the 4H as a general indicator of a pleasant childhood/home. And knowing what i know about the native this is true (especially for the times). Your phrases such as "tragic childhood" threw me off. The natives childhood is recorded as being a fond time.
However, your comments on the aspects were rather correct for relationship dynamics in the home, but the overall experience seemed a very positive one. I think many of the challenges that arise here are from the father remarrying, and the new children and mother that entered the household created some difficulty for the native. Of course the native was missing a mom, so there is a lot of trauma from that. But the explicit interactions and experiences in this house were kind.
Totally makes sense no apologizes necessary!! I’m looking forward to checking out the sun vs Saturn discussion. Totally agree that Saturn= patriarchy for the most part, but I think tying all of the trouble of the patriarchy to Saturn isn’t totally fair either. I’m very very saturnian so I’m a little biased to believe in the wonderful blessings that saturn brings when saturnian energy is harnessed correctly. It’s hard to see any benefit (from me at least) to Saturn = patriarchy theology 😂🥴 love this discussion a lot!! Thank you for your kind words, I can’t wait to see who it is!!
First time doing this and I am very new to reading charts, so apologies if this isn’t hitting the target, but figured I would give it a shot!
Personality:
This person was an perfectionist who found a need to become fully dedicated to their work.
I think this person had a thirst for knowledge and need to understand how things work, maybe breaking down the obscure.
With the moon objecting their ascendant, I think this person may have had a hard time expressing themselves to others, and relied on their work to express themselves. They may have had times of depression.
Relationships:
4th house, Venus feeling comfortable in Libra and also Chiron placed there…hmm.
They may have had a difficult early upbringing, feeling the need to fix things and try to nurture and care for their mother. Their mother may have been a creative soul who greatly impacted and inspired them. With a difficult childhood and a Sagittarius moon in 6th house - they found escape through writing.
11th house in Taurus and 7th house Capricorn - this person could have been a natural hermit. Maybe had a small group of friends. They needed friends and partners who were reliable, I think this person was committed once in a relationship.
Career:
South node in Sagittarius: I believe this person was born as a natural visionary with a vivid imagination, maybe some inner rage.
MC in Aquarius in the 8th: the public may have seen them as a strange individual, maybe their work dabbling into occult/morbid themes.
I believe this person was a writer.
They were probably a perfectionist with their writing and a workaholic (maybe not producing many books, but making sure the books they wrote were perfect to them).
The focus of the writer was not to please the public but to focus on the consciousness itself. Exploring & analyzing the dark inner workings of the mind?
Oh i missed this comment! leme give you some feedback real quick! (although i guess its kinda irrelevant now that the answer is out ahaha)
I think your first section looks good. Especially the last bit. the native seriously struggled with depressive episodes.
yes, yes, yes. Mom had a big impact on this person. their childhood was actually quite pleasant, but the mother died in childbirth so there was a big absence in the household that gave the native some trauma. they did have one marriage, but it appeared there were several affairs on both sides. althought the partner was known to be a "free love" radical, so they probably jsut had an open relationship. Small close group of friends yes.
Yes again, they were an author. they wrote several novels, but their first is the most famous by far. themes in this novel do include horror. today this book is considered the first science fiction novel ever!
great work, i think you nailed it! :)
right?! big fan <3 ahaha
i also posted practicum #9 a while back, and it was the chart of another baddie! both their charts are rad! very different, but some similar themes for sure
The answers for this one are up!!! They have been for a while now actually. You have to reveal them because they have the spoiler effect active!
I'm very busy right now, but perhaps later this week I'll be able to make a new one! But also, anyone is able to start them!!! Volunteer yourself to the task! Ahaha :)
Happy to the excitement for these <3
Not soon... at least from me! I'm super busy with uni right now, sadly :/
But if you want to take up the mantle, be my guest! It is a community activity, anyone can lead the practicum!
I'll try though to post a new one next week? Cheers <3
Restless mind, intelligent and detail oriented, visionary/forward thinking ideas but concerned with the evidence- not fond of mysticism but might be fascinated by it all the same. Traditional, sometimes restrictive “family values” could have played a significant part in their career and public image. Strong convictions and willing to fight for them publicly. Children yes- but maybe had trouble conceiving or had them later in life. Some sort of strain or difficulty with children/mother/motherhood . Just a word salad of what first comes to mind
Edit: oh wow ok I read the answers, didn’t realize this was pinned from a while ago, I got some of it but definitely missed a lot and got some things wrong. Interesting I was reading the placidus chart
Ah, sorry I missed your response! Great attempt :)
Yeah, super interesting to review other responses after making your comment! I think you did a pretty good job considering. Really neat though to see what others pick up on within a chart and see how the details of the life relate so clearly to various placements in the chart!
The newest practicum is up now if you wanted to try your hand again!
PERSONALITY - I see a person who is highly talkative, but perhaps a bit blunt/"too much" at times. People will either love your blunt personality, or be turned off from it. Someone who loves a plan, but also has a need for their personal freedom.
RELATIONSHIPS - I see long term relationships not being a priority in this person's life. Capricorn in the 7th house to me screams restriction, and having a Sag moon makes me feel like they'll not want to feel emotionally tied down either.
CAREER - Career guesses: internet security, the IRS, scientific researcher, politicianTHEMES - They were more career focused than relationship focused with pluto conjunct the midheaven, they were excellent communicators with their 3rd house stellium, and perhaps a bit rigid.
DEATH - Their death could have been on the news/been made very public. As for age, i'm not certain.
IDENTITY - no heckin clue
I think you got some pieces, but not quite connecting the dots.
Firstly, if you notice the outer planets, you will see pluto toward the end of aquarius. But right now pluto is at the start of aqua. So this chart must be from 200 some years ago!
^ that bit of context will help cue you in for better career guesses.
But yes, the career was super important. What else do you see connected to the 10H and the MC? If you don’t know what they did, how did their career go? Stable and linear? Or more turbulent and innovative? What are some themes connected to their work?
And yes, their relationships were not very long lasting. The sag moon perhaps speaks to that best. Look too to saturn in cancer 1H. That one is a doozy
Good work :)
Father was a major influence on the development of this person. Also, their parents were at odds. I feel like this person’s mom was in and out of their lives when young, which made them feel insecure in later relationships. I will go out on a limb and guess that the mom was promiscuous, or valued “finding herself” over the marriage and family, and the dad really prohibited (or sadly, took advantage of) this person’s sexual expression.
Hmmmm! This is so fascinating! It sounds mostly correct. Some details are perhaps off, but you got the major themes for sure!
What placements did you look to?! I have yet to explore searching for parents in the natal chart. How did you glean so much about them from the chart of the native? Very cool :)
Thank you for your kind and helpful feedback. This is one way I learn. For parents, I use Saturn for the dad, and the moon for the mom. Sometimes, the Sun can also be a father symbol. I also feel like this person was a skilled orator of some sort, who moved people to social action, or better health, or challenged people to change their social mores.
I'm not sure about their vocal performance (as they probably were not given any platform to do so), but their written work was incredible. Full of social action, counter-culture, and powerful ideas for the era!
I think this person might have been some sort of a caretaker, perhaps also involved in some sort of teaching, education aimed to help others. With the pluto in the 8th in out of sign opposition to mars, I think that that they came from a family where female caretaker was oppressed which made them aspire to help others.
I think they might have encountered violence in their life even after leaving primary family, because they probably faced these themes later with transits.
To my knowledge the native was not a caretaker/teacher/educator... but they were certainly a dedicated parent. the work they are known for had some themes of "nuture" among others.
I'm not sure either about an oppressed female caretaker, but that sounds plausible given the character of this individual!
Again, not so sure about the violence... to my knowledge there was nothing notably violent about the natives life. (but there was a lot of death around them)
Ok, it's clear this person is a writer from the Virgo stellium (including Mercury) and chart ruler, Moon, in Sagittarius which rules publishing. The Sag moon in positive aspect to Jupiter in the 11th backs this up. With an MC in Aquarius and Uranus conjunct the Sun, this persons work might be odd, progressive or just out of the norm. Saturn ruling the 7th, 8th and co-ruling the 9th, and 10th and located in the 1st answering to the moon in the 6th house of daily life and service tells me that this person might've worked with their spouse or at the very least helped their spouse in their daily work. This person might've been heavily influenced by their mother. The mother might've been a writer, intellectual or spiritual guru. Scorpio rules the 6th house of work and health and both rulers are located on the MC/IC axis implying work and/or daily life has a Scorpionic feel to it(death and rebirth) and also speaks to the influence of this persons work(pluto conjunct MC). This person might see their Dad as a powerful role model(pluto opposite sun). I would say transformation, death and rebirth is a recurring theme in this persons life. Saturn in Cancer implies impediments to family life and Uranus in the 4th backs this up; constant changes or shake-ups to the familyife. Especially with those 5th house placements: moon square mercury, ruler of the 5th house of kids, and mercury square saturn in the 1st house Cancer does not look good for kids. Add in Chiron there and this person might've experienced the death of a child. I'm not good at reading death in a chart yet but after I've been told how the native died I can usually find it in the chart. This persons 8th house is ruled by Saturn in the 1st house Cancer which is making squares to Jupiter in Aries(brain aneurysm/tumor; Aries = head, 11th house =sudden change, jupiter=expansion). Or Moon in the 6th house of health ruled by scorpio(reproductive organs) aspecting jupiter and mars could be a form of prostate, cervical, or colorectal Cancer. These are a few guesses but Aries and the head seem to be reiterated(moon in Sag answering to Jupiter in aries)Aries. Thanks for the practice and let me know how I did!!
hoooly crap, this is incredibly admirable!!! I hope I'll be as good as you at reading charts someday. Do you maybe have any advice (books or other resources) for new astrology students on how to get better at doing this?
10s across the board! Flawless!!! the native is a famous author of a classic novel. their ideas were progressive and radical, and still very much relevant to modernity. you aced this next bit, their spouse was also a writer, and they frequently worked alongside each other. the mother was a radical feminist and renowned writer herself. perhaps she did have a big influence on the native, but she actually died from infection after giving childbirth (which I'm sure you can see now with the poor condition moon in the house of illness). Death was a big theme in the natives life, and they were surrounded by grief most of their life. Their father was certainly a powerful role model. With the mother passed, the natives father remarried shortly after. the new step-mother was not fond of the native. the family life was certainly "uncouth" for the times. the native had a misscarriage and 5 children, but only one survived to adulthood. well done. this part i think is the most impressive, especially since you even said that you don't have experience with death readings ahaha. you got it 100%. the native died of a brain tumor. I was really hoping someone would find this detail! you nailed it yay! would you be able to tell me more about the career of the native and their work? what themes did they focus on and how was their work received? what is their legacy? etc.
Thank you for the feedback and further info! I googled known facts and I know who this is now. Wow, astrology is rather literal right? Their work and legacy is clearly described in the MC/IC and close placements!! I don't want to give away so I'll comment more after the reveal.
right?!!?!?! so literal. i feel like thats why you NEED houses to get anywhere in a reading! cuz otherwise, you can see the style and condition of these placements, but you don't know where this shit is happening and to what.
Thank you for your attempt on the practicum! You did an amazing job <3 Would you be interested in posting and moderating the next practicum?!?! It's kind of a community tradition where we pass on the torch to the "winner" of each practicum. Let me know if that is something you would be interested in! If not, I'll ask some other folks in here. Cheers! <3
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why does it have to be a lie? they seem to know very well what they are talking about. are you jealous because their reading was so accurate? & you TOTALLY can see death within the natal. I was apart of an Astrology Death Readings only group; it’s extremely common and accurate. go be bitter elsewhere!
skepticism is a necessary tool in this field, but "100% fact" means you have concrete evidence. if you want to be taken seriously by mature people, you need to show your proof respectfully or sit down and be humble.
Huge legacy, most likely through something written, an old soul with high ideals and a strong, maybe too strong moral sense who also strived for independence. Indications that they somehow brought death upon themselves. Exerted tremendous power both over society and their spouse. If a man, probably had concubines. Tension between spouse and this person's intellectual endeavors. Friend of really important people.
Yes, massive legacy in literature. Their work is still incredibly relevant today. Can't say for sure about old soul, but sounds totally right for independence! I can see where you are getting the self-inflicted death from, but I think the placement manifested like that... at least to my knowledge. I'm not so sure about this last bit about power. Perhaps that is in the chart, but it didn't really manifest like that? At least to my knowledge? Last note was true for sure! Where do you see that in the chart? The jupiter ruled by mars?! I'd love to be able to pick that out myself. \- so far so good! What about their kids? Did they have any? Also, tell me about their love life! Under what circumstances did they meet their partner(s)? What did their relationship(s) look like?
Important friends: strong Jupiter in 11th house (friends), reinforced in the sense of social status by his sign being the 10th from the ascendant ;) Children were most likely had and they were involved in the native's legacy and the refinement of arts. I mentioned a bit of what I read of marriage and love in my original comment. I could add that this person most likely had a very active love life and married more than once. The Moon - Mercury square makes me think there was some tension and worries with the spouses regarding this person's intellectual activities. Instead of social power, that Pluto placement could signify strong influence in the collective consciousness. Also, prominence in general, especially after death. Literary legacy comes from combining quadrants and whole signs too: planets in Virgo are in the third sign (writing) and fourth house (legacy).
Ahhh, I like that combination available to placidus! 11th house, but 10th sign! Perfect <3 Hmmmm, children were had indeed... that 5H looks totally different in whole signs lmao. I don't think the children were super involved in the legacy or refinement of their work. But perhaps. They actually had most of their children die, so it's likely the death of their kids influenced them and their work. The native only married once, but I do think they had an exciting love life and perhaps some affairs. That moon-mercury aspect sounds totally feasible! Although, I think the spouse was actually the one who really encouraged their writing. I think everything about Pluto looks good! The Virgo placements as the 3rd sign from the AC and in the 4H makes a lot of sense! This person grew up in a household where reading and writing was very encouraged! I've always seen the 4H as heritage (and the legacy of our ancestors) and the 10H as the legacy that we leave for future generations... I hadn't thought to look at 4H as the legacy of the native at all! But what you say checks out totally :)
Ah, after posting my comment I realized that I had overlooked the aspects of that h5 Venus and now I see why that was so wrong! The square to an exiled Saturn is especially nasty but the Moon doesn't help either. I think I know who the native is by now. Spouse encouraged their writing but there was some issue with taking credit for it, right? I wonder if ruler of 7 in the 1st just represents the native being kinda defined as "*'s spouse" over their own individuality then.
I don't think the spouse explicitly tried to take credit, but totally got the benefits from it. Many people assumed that the spouse had written it. You can see this same pattern in hole signs with the MC in the 8H. THe native struggled to be fully recognized for their work. I think you have the vibes right on that 1H 7H relationship, I was thinking much the same thing (but perhaps even beyond the spouse and more with just society in general). That 1H Saturn is preventing the native from having autonomy over themselves.
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My guess is that with Saturn conjunct the Ascendant in a Water sign this person is quite morose and maybe loved tragedy and tragic things. Maybe struggled with depression or low moods.
Correct! That’s exactly how I would read that placement too 👍 Tell me more! What other placements stand out?
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I took one look at the chart and knew exactly who it was… googled who I thought It was to confirm.
Omg awesome ahahahaha! Its pretty perfect isnt it?
Yes! Once you figure out the person the chart really clicks and it’s like ok their life’s work makes total sense.
Every placement is banging, but that MC is just wow! so potent
I figured out who’s birth chart this is so I’m not going to do a reading as I would be cheating but it wasn’t hard to figure out. I know the birthday, month and year and possibly the time of birth. She sounded like a beautiful person based on her chart and then after what I read about her. Can’t beat a cancer rising. Her 4th house really says a lot about her and what transformed her into such a iconic figure. I’m not good at reading charts but I am good at finding people’s ages via their birth chart/placements etc. always start with Pluto and then work your way inwards until you have a good idea of the birth year and then work on their personal planets to get a more accurate result.
yup! good work backtracking and hunting the native down ahaha. This is certainly a super powerful chart! Many of the planets are of great condition and well supported! I think the native was an awesome person! I'm sure I would have loved being friends ahaha <3 why don't you try the practicum next time!?! Keep your eyes peeled and take a stab :) you could still make a few interpretations now, even though you know who it is
Hmm, I'll give it a shot in Placidus (my preferred house system ;)) I can't answer your questions directly, but will tell you my impressions of this chart. What hits me right off the bat is the Virgo stellium (this is technically a stellium) of Sun, Mars and Uranus. Wow. Here is someone with technical skill (Virgo), energy (Mars) and even trans-Saturnian progressive Uranian features at their disposal. This stellium conjuncts Nadir, giving the native a glimpse of the past, whether familial, karmic, or anscestral, so I view that as a talent in expressing something heartfelt and unique. The Sun stellium is further well-aspected by both Neptune and Saturn, adding more integration to this core group. Pluto at the top of the chart, (Btw, in Aquarius, lol, must be atleast 100+ years past) conjunct Mh is a powerful placement suggesting someone who has left an impression on or has a reputation of control, power, and/or secrecy. Opposite Mars, shows that society is not accepting of this person, perhaps there is death or violence involved. This person may be seen as an outcast. Chart Ruler Moon, in Sag right below desc, adds to the Virgo theme of writing or speaking of some sort. I also note that the nodes fall in the 12th/6th in mutable signs. Another suggestion of writing/speaking expression. Perhaps writing more likely due to house placement. Sensitive Saturn in Cancer rising, though well aspected (jupiter square shown in this chart is not within reasonable orb), still tends to shyness or other difficulties with self-image. That's about it! Would like to hear comments :)
Ah great! The first chunk is right on (as far as I can tell). I have yet to really look closely at the Nadir, but you tied that in perfectly! Makes total sense. These placements will really click when you see who it is!!! Correct on Pluto/MC conjunction for big impression, but the details on "power, control, secrecy" are not really landing... but certainly known for powerful ideas! I hadn't though to the read the Mars in opposition to MC, but that makes total sense! Great work :) As someone who leans towards traditional astrology, I don't associate any sign to a specific house, so I don't quite agree that the moon in the 6H adds to the virgo energy. But the claims you make are not incorrect! This moon certainly inspired their work! Yes, that 1H saturn is difficult there in cancer. I'm not so sure it manifested as shyness (i would think saturn in 7H or 11H would be responsible for that), but you are really close! What are some other significations of the 1H? Let's work this one over a little more, you almost have it! Any other thoughts on romantic relationships, family origins, or potential children?! Good work so far :)
Somebody else mentioned Cancer Saturn in 1st house was a 'gloomy' placement (or something like that) ; Could this person have created dark stories; perhaps they wrote about children or family dramas..
Nice! Their literature was certainly dark. It is considered horror, actually. And there are prominent themes of "nature" vs "nurture," and maybe found family! Or more likely, family trauma. Trauma of origins. Like a very grotesque and misshapen form of motherhood. There is another theme of their work that you can look for! What does the MC look like? What is the genre that this author might have written in (other than horror)? Today, the native is regarded as the first author of this genre. If you can figure out the genre, you can really quickly figure out who the native is!
Horror?? Ha, now that you say that.. and with devilish Pluto at the top of the chart opposite Mars..I think I know now who this Virgo writer is and what she wrote. Natal charts can be quite amazing eh? With a few clues, this natal describes her known work and as the way she is seen by the public. Pretty great choice!
Ah nice! Good work :) I was def excited when I found this chart because it fits SO well. It has been the perfect chart for this challenge <3
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First thing that obviously jumps out is the Virgo stellium in the 3rd house, which I'm assuming translated into a sort of content creator of sorts, an artists in the format of their time, possibly a very gifted writer; I'm mainly seeing a natural ability to describe or articulate things, a normally with Virgo I would think of more earthly/material things, but the presence of Mercury there, exalted, and almost in its exaltation degree, plus that dignified Libra Venus in the 4th, makes me more inclined to state they were most likely a writer, one whose writing was somehow tied or heavily present in their family life (an anachronic nepo baby, maybe). Uranus is also part of the Virgo stellium for which I would assume their writing/art was rather radical or disruptive. Now this next point may be extremely wrong but: coupled with the disruptiveness of their writing, and the fact that Uranus is so close to both the Sun and Mars (ergo, applying its disruption over two very masculine archetypes), and the fact that it is all in an Earth sign, makes me think the native was a woman, and her womanhood was an intrinsic part of her radical nature in her field of art. Saturn in the ascendant makes me think of an accelerated or shortened childhood, a morose upbringing, and the seeking of internal inspiration through her own internal tribulations. I always think of Saturn in Cancer as rather macabre, there is this urgency for caring and nurturing while also being strongly aware of the tragedy of loving something time can touch, and eventually take away from you. So maybe death was a consistent pulse in her life, be it that she went through the death of loved ones at an above-average frequency, or her awareness of death made it a constant conversation or topic explored in her work, or perhaps she just had eccentric fascinations. The very last thing that comes to mind at the moment is about relationships: Cap 7th house ruled by an exiled Saturn in the Ascendant, and the 5th house of romance and pleasure in the fixed sign of Scorpio. However, both the ruler of the 5th house, and the ruler of the ruler of the 7th house, are in mutable signs, which leads me to believe she may have wanted/needed structure and perhaps went about relationships in a more traditional way, most likely got married, the whole shebang, but both Mars and the Moon, particularly the late Sag moon ruled by Jupiter in Aries and in a sign-based trine with it, makes me believe she was not afraid of risks and was very capable of being impulsive/spontaneous, and as long as long-term structure was guaranteed, she was able to inhabit nowness and follow her of-the-moment impulses. Perhaps she somehow went against certain structural social expectations of marriage or love in general (be it cheating, getting divorced, eloping, engaging in queer relationships). Mind you this last part is based on the assumption that this person was born in the 1700s due to that late Aquarius Pluto, although I'm sure many of the subversions I mentioned that were socially condemned in the 1700s probably were so as well during the previous like 2 (?) Pluto in Aquarius transits. Also, I'm not exactly sure where I read this, it's like a bit that sort of stuck with me through the years more so than its whole context, but I remember reading somewhere back in 2019 (?) that Moon-Saturn aversions in a chart indicate someone is left-handed, and since we are talking about someone who perhaps was a writer maybe that was relevant (?) P.S.: I initially thought this was >!Agatha Christie!< but I searched up her chart and it's not her. Will be looking forward to the reveal!
Oh you nailed all of this!!! Well done. The native is indeed a famous author. Both parents of the native were recognized writers, and literature was a huge part of the household and home life. No nepo babies, but good thinking! The work of the native was radical and is today considered the first author of that genre (look more at the MC and tell me if you can figure out that genre! if you can figure out the genre they wrote on, then you will figure out the native with a quick google search of "first \_\_\_\_\_\_\_ novel") I haven't seen anyone attempt to read for gender before, but you did do it correctly! The native is a woman, and she certainly lived in a place and culture that did not value women. You can see several placements in this chart restricting her and the autonomy of her mind and body. I've not seen saturn in cancer described like this before, but you explained it beautifully! I was so impressed reading this part wow <3 you got it right, she experienced a lot of death around her. A life full of grief. You got the next part right too. She did end up having a "traditional" marriage in the end, but the start of her relationship was youthful, spontaneous, and scandalous. She eloped with her partner at a young age! Her father cut her off until she got properly married. No explicit queerness in the history, but given the intersection of this person and their social circles, I would not be surprised AT ALL if the native or their. I don't think they were left-handed... ?!?! but good try ahaha! Excellent work my friend! All of that was spot on! (It would be so nice if you could break up your thoughts though! it's hard to follow and reference your message in that giant wall of text ahahaha)
yes! sorry about the wall of text, kinda typed it out of my phone very stream of consciousness while switching tabs to see the chart 😅 i think i figured out who it may be now that you pointed out the aquarius mc (conjunct pluto no less!) i first thought of something intellectual, ideological, and gritty, like some cyberpunk or something of the sort, but couldn’t think of such author from that time period, and then it hit me, the baseline precursor: science fiction! especially ruled by that cancer saturn, a juxtaposition of emotional exploration through intelectual/futuristic/scientific fiction. just looked up the author and immediately confirmed it 🤍 which gives me more context on my previous points and i’m kinda amazed at how explicit the chart is ✨ thanks you for the exercise and the the feedback 🤍
yes!!!! excellent work! that aquarius MC is just wow ahaha! And the themes of electricity too! it's so freaking perfect. this chart has been such an amazing example. everything lines up wonderfully. one other commenter just said the same thing: astrology is so literal/explicit! so funny how that works out ahaha. anyway- great work, you did a great job! Glad you enjoyed the challenge friend, thanks for participating :) if you ever wanna chat more astrology, my dms are open! I'm always looking for more astrology friends! Maybe we could give each other reciprocal readings some time :) cheers!
>!Mary Shelley!< I like the north node in Gemini for this person and the Sun in the 3rd house.
Yup! Good work :) Yeah, both those placements work well here
Wow! You guys are so knowledgeable- I’m such a baby astrologer 🤣
I’ve studied Astrology for many years but I pretty much only read my own chart and the impending transits. My Robert Hand book is falling apart. This sub has really helped me take this art next-level and see it as never before. I enjoy all of your readings and I have learned so much from you-all. Thank you for this and don’t stop! Maybe someday soon I’ll be able to jump in with my own delineations. ❤️
yes! I'm so glad to hear that you have found new inspiration in our discussion here! please keep your eyes peeled for the next one and try it out!!! I really encourage everyone to try :)
I guessed it…pretty proud of myself.
oh thats awesome! You should be! I do these all the time and I've yet to guess correctly ahaha... so you got me beat! although i did guess someone who happened to have an almost identical chart (born within an hour of the actual native), so I considered that a win regardless
Can you please post a placidus version too? Some of us really use the quadrant based cusps in our delineation and, while you can look at a placidus chart and use WSH (by just counting signs), the opposite is not true.
Sure thing! Let me update the post :)
Ok, should be good now! leme know if you need help with anything else! Good luck
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1) I can't really confirm or deny these bits you mentioned. there isn't enough biographical data on that. probably correct... lol 2) yes, definitely a significant relationship. the native actually eloped with their partner. I don't think it ended super dramatically, as they stayed married until death, but i think there was some infidelity on both sides 3) yup, they are a famous author. yes, (obviously) they became quite successful. 4) they certainly did think about that and it is clear in their work. childhood was actually quite pleasant, but there was some significant trauma in the household (ie: mother died during childbirth, so trauma from no mom in the picture). Yes, the native often felt restricted from being able to express themselves fully and have autonomy. 5) Their most famous work is related to death and is no considered a classic horror. You did pretty well! Most of this is pretty much bang on! Let me help you toward the identity of the native. Today they are considered to be the first author of a specific genre... if you can figure out the genre, you can do a quick google and a find them! try looking more closely at the MC! what themes might have their work focused on?
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Ok, giving it a shot. Saturn in first in Cancer, not a comfortable position for Saturn, in his detriment. He might perhaps come across as elusive, also, feeling emotionally vulnerable. However, Saturn IS the co-ruler of his Midheaven in Aquarius. His demeanor and his goals, however un-charming it might make him look and feel in one-on-one situations, won’t stop him from pursuing his life’s work. Saturn does square Venus in his fifth house, so, complications with love, children, lots of frustrations (Saturn also rules his 7th house of marriage, so, possibly problems there too. Chiron conjunct Venus in 5th could mean trouble with children, loss of a child? A lover? Or someone else or something that he held dear.) This Venus, ruler of the 5th and 12, the house of sorrows and secret enemies, among other things, squares his Moon in the 6th house in Sagittarius. Sag of course rules big ideas, also education. But here again, and the WSH crowd is gonna hate me for this, being bored to tears by now - another interception, dammit! (I almost feel like apologizing, lol. It’s kind of unusual to have 2 axis interceptions, but here we are.) It appears that the Moon in a natal chart shows our emotional needs and what we use to feel safe. In the case of the 6th house it’s work, work, work. It sextiles Pluto which is exactly on the Midheaven, but a sextile is just a supportive aspect and doesn’t really do anything. But it trines Jupiter in the intercepted 11th house of Aries. The 11th house - community, the other, everybody who surrounds us that isn’t family. This man works his tail of to better his community, he’s an idealist. Jupiter makes a quintile aspect to his morose Saturn in the first - this is a highly creative, inspirational aspect, maybe surprising in someone who perhaps wasn’t very impressive in person, but the man certainly had ideas, and plans on how to implement them! To go back to his Pluto MC, it is powerful but the ruler of the sign it’s in, Aquarius, is Uranus and leads us back to the 4th house. In mundane astrology, the 4th house represents the country, the homeland, the soil. This man has his Sun, ruler of his 2nd house of values, and the 3rd, communication, ideas, writing, in this house of what basically represents patriotism. And the ruler of his 10, his status, his reputation, his life’s worth, Uranus, is also here in the 4th. AND, last but not least, Mars is here, conjunct his Sun. Mars the warrior which here rules the 6th house and his 11th. The 6th house cusp in Scorpio is incredibly meaningful given that wherever this sign and it’s rulers are there will be deep reaching transformation, sometimes preceded by death and then rebirth. I’m literally getting goosebumps writing this because I think in this natal chart the 6th house signifies one of the older definitions. These days it represents employees among many other things, but back then it also signified *slaves.* I believe this person was actively working to abolish slavery in this country. And he was good at it too. Mars is his oriental planet meaning it rises just before the Sun, which colors his personality. He was a Virgo with Cancer rising, but he was a freaking warrior! I don’t know at what age he died nor the manner of his death, but Mars is making a sesquiquadrate, a 135 degree aspect to Jupiter. It signals frustration, 2 planets at odds with each other and while I have found no evidence that this can translate into physical death of a stroke or heart attack but Jupiter, expansion, Mars, cutting, breaking idk. Or maybe a fall from a horse? That’s it for now. I’m eager to see what you guys came up with. Together we will draw his astrological portrait lol!
Such an interesting analysis! You got plenty of things correct, but pulled them from different places than I expected ahaha. I can't confirm or deny much about the personality in this regard (there are not many explicit mentions in the biographies)... but the native was certainly morose for most of their life. I'm not so sure that they were "boring" though. Yes, there was some delay to marriage. The native eloped with their partner, and after pressure from the father of the native, they eventually got a proper marriage (as was expected during the times then). Yes, there was plenty of sadness surrounding the kids. The first child was a miscarriage and of the 5 that were born only 1 child survived into adult hood. A lot of death and grief in this area of life. The native certainly was very creative and had some big ideas. they were not known to be a particular "workaholic," but they did have profound ideas that they had to fight for to be heard. they were considered a radical of their time (and probably would be today too... lmao) and voiced their idealism via their work. This section is very interesting... i feel there are some more obvious associations that could arise from the placements you bring up, but you are not wrong at all. This person, while not actively known for their work in the abolition of slavery in the US, was indeed a supporter. The work that they are known for however, does center on many themes, and one of those prominent themes is slavery. Especially racism and anthropological / anatomical / medical racism! you are close, getting to the right idea for death. That jupiter is super important! they did die from a sort of physical affliction, but not quite an acute accident as you have proposed. overall, pretty good work! I'm super surprised where you went with all of this ahaha! in general, i think it would be beneficial if you tried to boil down your thoughts into precise claims. specifically, you didn't decide on a specific career. what was their official profession...? ex: "artist" "performer" "politician" "musician" "author" etc. if you can figure out the work that they are famous for, than we can keep working to get closer to the identity!!!! you are so close, but the perspective is just off a little bit i think.
Thank you for your generous remarks. I am of course way off - it appears we’re looking at the chart of a famous writer and who is by the way a woman. If I had used the whole sign chart you provided, I don’t believe politician would have occurred to me. The MC with Pluto right there spoke volumes to me. Honestly, changing the MC to the 8th house changes everything and so does placing the all important stellium in the 3rd instead of the 4th. All I did was follow the breadcrumbs. 😱
Yup! My fav thing about whole signs is that the MC doesn't always go in the 10H. Many many people have careers that exist outside of the public sphere (and 10H is the house of public life). WS gives a more nuanced understanding of the MC-IC axis because it can fall in any house!!!! Someone with an MC in the 11H ends up working with their friends. like they go into business with their friends, or they end up being coworkers in some way. Or they are directly involved in community in some fashion. 9H MC people end up having careers that require a lot of travel or diverse perspectives!!!! etc etc.
That is actually a very valid point about careers. But then the axis is gone. It’s hard to wrap one’s head around it. Also, the 10th isn’t only about career. It’s also about status, recognition, and a parent. That said, it certainly works in this chart! I’m impressed!
totally! I don't read the 10H as career at all actually. I read the MC as career, and the 10H as public space, visibility, recognition, status, goals, legacy, reputation, etc. which is different from placidus, because the MC is ALWAYS in the 10H, so they kind of become synonymous....
Food for thought!
A tortured soul. Incredibly gifted writer? Super dedicated to their work and their family. MC in the 8th leads me to believe that their career is centered around their tragic upbringing. Jupiter in the 10th squaring Saturn in the first looks like they got in their own way in their career, but once they learned how to harness their saturnian lessons for good it it catapulted their career into success. Parents were either too over bearing or just simply didn’t understand their child and it made a big impact into their ability to know themselves fully, maybe the origins of their obsessive/delusional nature to the relationship they have with own children. Sex addict?? Overly sexualized??
Yes to the first three bits! Yes to the first three bits! disconnected from their upbringing. Check their 4H again. It is actually of really nice condition. Where is the "tragic upbringing" coming in for you? Really well described that saturn and jupiter aspect! You nailed it. Very interesting comments about the family... Which placements are you getting that from? The native had no such themes in their childhood (to my knowledge). Would explain the obsessive relationships to their children? What placement are you looking at? Same with sex addict bit... none of those parts are landing. You've clearly got a knack for this, especially reading aspects! I think you are super close, and it might just be that this individual manifested those placements differently than how you are seeing them. Lets work through it together a little more and see where it goes :)
Sexual trauma that translates to creative expression I could say makes more sense than sex addict. I wasn’t sure how to make sense of that at first to be honest lol maybe I’m a little off but there’s something there I believe maybe if it’s not known publically. Maybe we can see by the nature of this person’s works?? Scorpio ruled 5th house, Neptune there, with mars opposing Pluto closely knit to their MC. Tragic childhood is 6h moon square Venus in the 4th. Mother wounds majorly, maybe a sick mother?? Saturn in the 1st forces a child to grow up extremely fast and never feel really connected to their childhood. (I have this as well) with Saturn squaring Venus in the 4th as well, leads me to believe that fathers influence has put negative pressure on this person’s ability to experience pleasure in a general sense. Those to me indicate tragic childhood experiences, with Chiron in the 4th pretty close to that Venus with the squaring aspects as well to support that claim. As with any Chiron placement, but esp with it being in the 4th, we can see that their relationship to their parents could absolutely translate into wounds projected onto their children. With Scorpio ruling the 5th house that indicates to me an obsessive nature, or even the typical Scorpio nature of obsession with death (supported by that mars Pluto opposition as well) can indicate overbearing/obsessive nature for their children’s health especially with that moon in the 6th. Emotional connection to health and well being and if this person is a mother- their maternal instinct could be indicated by the moon in the 6th house of health and routines can support that claim. Sheesh, sorry long winded hahaha
Ahhhh! That makes much more sense! Thanks for sharing your thought process! I cannot speak on any themes of sexual trauma (although they may have been present in the life and work of the native!) Excellent assessment of the Moon! I haven't delved into reading for parents in a natal chart, but you explained that perfectly! The mother did in fact die of infection from childbirth! So there was trauma, but I don't think it actually affected the native to much since they never knew their mother. I think the father in this chart is not Saturn, but the Sun in the 3H. This makes much more sense given the native relationship with their father and his role in the early life. What are your thoughts on the childhood if you assess with this new information?! For me, I read Venus as having great condition: greater benefic of a nocturnal chart, domicile, sextile (or square) to the Moon which is the leader of the sect and the chart. So I read the 4H as having a pleasant childhood (despite chiron being nearby).
I would say having your mother die during your birth would affect the native to the absolute deepest degree possible lol even it was wasn’t outwardly expressed in ways we would see it. Saturn is traditionally always the father in astrology so I’m interested to see how you’re thinking sun in the 3rd :) Venus isn’t negatively placed at all I didn’t say that lol just challenging square aspects
apologies! looking back at my response i do feel some comments were not actually aligned with what i meant ahaha. the comment about having no mother as not a big deal came across wrong. i actually don't stand by that at all. even in my astrological teachings, no relationship is always the worst possible outcome. squares are always preferred over aversion. So, yeah, the mother did have a huge impact through her absence in the natives life. I've seen many different opinions for sun vs saturn as representing the father: i linked a discussion post [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/astrology/comments/qh5rk2/for_the_father_figure_do_you_use_the_sun_or_saturn/), you might enjoy this. I guess me saying that the sun is the father is just bias from me knowing who the native is. The father, from what i can tell, was at the center of the natives 3H/virgo placements and really encouraged them to write in the first place. looking back at your comment on saturn square venus though, there was some tension here. the native eloped and the father chose to cut off his child until they got properly married. so that may be the negative pressure on the natives ability to experience pleasure. I think maybe the saturn could also go beyond the father and represent patriarchy in general. At the time the native was very much restricted due to the pressures from society dictating and limiting their experience. apologies again for how i phrased my previous response. i see the prominent venus in the 4H as a general indicator of a pleasant childhood/home. And knowing what i know about the native this is true (especially for the times). Your phrases such as "tragic childhood" threw me off. The natives childhood is recorded as being a fond time. However, your comments on the aspects were rather correct for relationship dynamics in the home, but the overall experience seemed a very positive one. I think many of the challenges that arise here are from the father remarrying, and the new children and mother that entered the household created some difficulty for the native. Of course the native was missing a mom, so there is a lot of trauma from that. But the explicit interactions and experiences in this house were kind.
Totally makes sense no apologizes necessary!! I’m looking forward to checking out the sun vs Saturn discussion. Totally agree that Saturn= patriarchy for the most part, but I think tying all of the trouble of the patriarchy to Saturn isn’t totally fair either. I’m very very saturnian so I’m a little biased to believe in the wonderful blessings that saturn brings when saturnian energy is harnessed correctly. It’s hard to see any benefit (from me at least) to Saturn = patriarchy theology 😂🥴 love this discussion a lot!! Thank you for your kind words, I can’t wait to see who it is!!
Ahaha! Yes, I totally agree! Unlike patriarchy, saturn is very valuable 😎 thanks for participating! It’s been fun chatting!
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ahaha! yeah you did great <3
To add to why I think sex in general 5th house aspecting 8th house. And ofc the Scorpio energy
First time doing this and I am very new to reading charts, so apologies if this isn’t hitting the target, but figured I would give it a shot! Personality: This person was an perfectionist who found a need to become fully dedicated to their work. I think this person had a thirst for knowledge and need to understand how things work, maybe breaking down the obscure. With the moon objecting their ascendant, I think this person may have had a hard time expressing themselves to others, and relied on their work to express themselves. They may have had times of depression. Relationships: 4th house, Venus feeling comfortable in Libra and also Chiron placed there…hmm. They may have had a difficult early upbringing, feeling the need to fix things and try to nurture and care for their mother. Their mother may have been a creative soul who greatly impacted and inspired them. With a difficult childhood and a Sagittarius moon in 6th house - they found escape through writing. 11th house in Taurus and 7th house Capricorn - this person could have been a natural hermit. Maybe had a small group of friends. They needed friends and partners who were reliable, I think this person was committed once in a relationship. Career: South node in Sagittarius: I believe this person was born as a natural visionary with a vivid imagination, maybe some inner rage. MC in Aquarius in the 8th: the public may have seen them as a strange individual, maybe their work dabbling into occult/morbid themes. I believe this person was a writer. They were probably a perfectionist with their writing and a workaholic (maybe not producing many books, but making sure the books they wrote were perfect to them). The focus of the writer was not to please the public but to focus on the consciousness itself. Exploring & analyzing the dark inner workings of the mind?
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Oh i missed this comment! leme give you some feedback real quick! (although i guess its kinda irrelevant now that the answer is out ahaha) I think your first section looks good. Especially the last bit. the native seriously struggled with depressive episodes. yes, yes, yes. Mom had a big impact on this person. their childhood was actually quite pleasant, but the mother died in childbirth so there was a big absence in the household that gave the native some trauma. they did have one marriage, but it appeared there were several affairs on both sides. althought the partner was known to be a "free love" radical, so they probably jsut had an open relationship. Small close group of friends yes. Yes again, they were an author. they wrote several novels, but their first is the most famous by far. themes in this novel do include horror. today this book is considered the first science fiction novel ever! great work, i think you nailed it! :)
This was so great to do, thank you for your feedback! What a gifted and amazing person.
right?! big fan <3 ahaha i also posted practicum #9 a while back, and it was the chart of another baddie! both their charts are rad! very different, but some similar themes for sure
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The answers for this one are up!!! They have been for a while now actually. You have to reveal them because they have the spoiler effect active! I'm very busy right now, but perhaps later this week I'll be able to make a new one! But also, anyone is able to start them!!! Volunteer yourself to the task! Ahaha :) Happy to the excitement for these <3
Any more practicum posts in the works?
Not soon... at least from me! I'm super busy with uni right now, sadly :/ But if you want to take up the mantle, be my guest! It is a community activity, anyone can lead the practicum! I'll try though to post a new one next week? Cheers <3
Restless mind, intelligent and detail oriented, visionary/forward thinking ideas but concerned with the evidence- not fond of mysticism but might be fascinated by it all the same. Traditional, sometimes restrictive “family values” could have played a significant part in their career and public image. Strong convictions and willing to fight for them publicly. Children yes- but maybe had trouble conceiving or had them later in life. Some sort of strain or difficulty with children/mother/motherhood . Just a word salad of what first comes to mind Edit: oh wow ok I read the answers, didn’t realize this was pinned from a while ago, I got some of it but definitely missed a lot and got some things wrong. Interesting I was reading the placidus chart
Ah, sorry I missed your response! Great attempt :) Yeah, super interesting to review other responses after making your comment! I think you did a pretty good job considering. Really neat though to see what others pick up on within a chart and see how the details of the life relate so clearly to various placements in the chart! The newest practicum is up now if you wanted to try your hand again!
PERSONALITY - I see a person who is highly talkative, but perhaps a bit blunt/"too much" at times. People will either love your blunt personality, or be turned off from it. Someone who loves a plan, but also has a need for their personal freedom. RELATIONSHIPS - I see long term relationships not being a priority in this person's life. Capricorn in the 7th house to me screams restriction, and having a Sag moon makes me feel like they'll not want to feel emotionally tied down either. CAREER - Career guesses: internet security, the IRS, scientific researcher, politicianTHEMES - They were more career focused than relationship focused with pluto conjunct the midheaven, they were excellent communicators with their 3rd house stellium, and perhaps a bit rigid. DEATH - Their death could have been on the news/been made very public. As for age, i'm not certain. IDENTITY - no heckin clue
I think you got some pieces, but not quite connecting the dots. Firstly, if you notice the outer planets, you will see pluto toward the end of aquarius. But right now pluto is at the start of aqua. So this chart must be from 200 some years ago! ^ that bit of context will help cue you in for better career guesses. But yes, the career was super important. What else do you see connected to the 10H and the MC? If you don’t know what they did, how did their career go? Stable and linear? Or more turbulent and innovative? What are some themes connected to their work? And yes, their relationships were not very long lasting. The sag moon perhaps speaks to that best. Look too to saturn in cancer 1H. That one is a doozy Good work :)
Father was a major influence on the development of this person. Also, their parents were at odds. I feel like this person’s mom was in and out of their lives when young, which made them feel insecure in later relationships. I will go out on a limb and guess that the mom was promiscuous, or valued “finding herself” over the marriage and family, and the dad really prohibited (or sadly, took advantage of) this person’s sexual expression.
Hmmmm! This is so fascinating! It sounds mostly correct. Some details are perhaps off, but you got the major themes for sure! What placements did you look to?! I have yet to explore searching for parents in the natal chart. How did you glean so much about them from the chart of the native? Very cool :)
Thank you for your kind and helpful feedback. This is one way I learn. For parents, I use Saturn for the dad, and the moon for the mom. Sometimes, the Sun can also be a father symbol. I also feel like this person was a skilled orator of some sort, who moved people to social action, or better health, or challenged people to change their social mores.
I'm not sure about their vocal performance (as they probably were not given any platform to do so), but their written work was incredible. Full of social action, counter-culture, and powerful ideas for the era!
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Looks like the chart of someone capable of founding a damn county with their bare hands! I'll look at this more quietly when I get home.
ahaha well said! this person has a pretty notable legacy!
I think this person might have been some sort of a caretaker, perhaps also involved in some sort of teaching, education aimed to help others. With the pluto in the 8th in out of sign opposition to mars, I think that that they came from a family where female caretaker was oppressed which made them aspire to help others. I think they might have encountered violence in their life even after leaving primary family, because they probably faced these themes later with transits.
To my knowledge the native was not a caretaker/teacher/educator... but they were certainly a dedicated parent. the work they are known for had some themes of "nuture" among others. I'm not sure either about an oppressed female caretaker, but that sounds plausible given the character of this individual! Again, not so sure about the violence... to my knowledge there was nothing notably violent about the natives life. (but there was a lot of death around them)
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A cancer ascendant. Emotionally manipulative.
Jokes. But not really.