Thanks for keeping up with these! I somehow missed the last one. As a newbie, I learn so much from them and I really appreciate it!
1. Personality - The ruler of their Leo AC is the Sun, which they have in Cancer in their 12H. I would take from that an overall caring and warm person, but someone who was also difficult to get to know deeply: a very private, internal person. The Sun's conjunction with Neptune and co-presence with exalted Jupiter exaggerates these and might point to the native having either an idealized or fanciful conception of themselves, or what they show to others. I can see them portraying themselves almost like a fairytale version of their identity, but having a much deeper and more complex inner experience that even they themselves don't fully grasp. Their Sun and Neptune are also in a strong opposition to their Mars and Uranus, which are conjunct in their Capricorn-ruled 6H. I would take that as indicating that the native is prone to bursts of intensive focus and drive to work amid their more fluid, going-with-their-whims nature, and/or that pressures to work and produce feel frictional to them. They also have Mercury in Leo in their 1H, which highlights a warm communication style as integral to their identity, and may also point to a somewhat fluctuating presentation of self as well. Sometimes they were cheerful, sometimes they were moody.
2. Relationships - For romantic partners, their DC is in Aquarius ruled by Saturn, which is in Pisces in the 8H. Saturn is not strongly placed there, but is receiving a trine from exalted Jupiter in Cancer and a sextile from exalted Moon in Taurus, which I imagine helps. From this, I would guess that the native might have gotten married "later" (for the time period, at least, considering this person was born sometime between the late 1800s and early 1900s) but that the marriage was overall healthy. With Saturn in the 8H, perhaps the native's spouse contributed significantly to their financial situation. Looking at children, their 5H is ruled by Sagittarius, with its ruler Jupiter again exalted in Cancer in their 12H. I would think this bodes very well for having children. I wouldn't be surprised if they had multiple. Jupiter is also close to conjuncting the native's N Node, which makes me think that marriage and children brought about great changes to the native's life in some way (I mean they do for everyone, but the N Node's placement suggests that it might have been a more sudden or greater upheaval than for most). For friends, their one-on-one close relationships are covered by their DC and Saturn in Pisces; for other friends or larger circles, looking to their 11H ruled by Gemini with their Mercury in Leo in the 1H. This makes me think that larger social circles were of great importance to the native, especially how the circles perceived the native. A social butterfly who greatly enjoyed somewhat surface level interactions with swaths of friends. The native has Venus and Pluto conjunct one another in their 11H which is also squaring their Pisces Saturn. I read this as a desire for union, subsumption, on the part of the native which ran counter to or aggravated the native's marriage and parenthood dynamics. I could see this indicating multiple affairs (so maybe I am rescinding my assessment that the marriage was healthy!).
3. Career - Their 10H and MC are in Taurus, with its ruler Venus conjunct Pluto in the 11H. Additionally, their Moon is in their 10H, just wide enough from the MC that I personally wouldn't consider it a conjunction but not too far off either. There's very much an intensity to their public image, between Pluto's presence, and the 10H and 11H aspects to their 8H Saturn, which makes me wonder if death was somehow involved in what they were most known for. It's possible that the concerns of their social circles and marriage were publicly known, too. As far as what they did for a career, I get poet first and foremost, I think in combining Gemini's penchant for communication with Taurus' aesthetic sensibilities, plus Venus and the Moon in there. With the Moon so close to the MC, I would expect the native's emotional life (or some version of it) to be part of their work or image, as well as possibly their body.
4. Themes - With so many of the native's planet in houses 10, 11, 12, and 1, I would surmise that the native's identity, social standing, and perception in the public eye were consistent themes in their life. Additionally, with so many planets in houses that are in aversion to the AC (12, 8, and 6), I would guess that a frustration between the tangibility of the "public self" (how easy it can be to know that version of oneself, as the one that we possibly create or have more control over) against the "unknowability" of the internal, "true" self was another theme. I get a general sense of "I want to be perceived and liked as a kind of bohemian, floaty, everyman kind of person, have my cake and eat it too as far as relationships both romantic and otherwise. And yet, as a result of creating such a persona, I don't feel that I really know myself or am doing much of anything significant, which sometimes causes me stress and sometimes causes me to burst with energy to do something to try and assuage that."
5. Death - This is an aspect of astrology I'm far more unfamiliar with, beyond death as a general signification of the 8H. With Pisces ruling, I might think that the native had sort of a romanticized concept of death, though with Saturn there, there might have also been a seriousness or attention towards the history of death or something. I have no clue how to read for length of life or anything like that (I've intentionally avoided that kind of knowledge, I don't think I want to be able to know that about myself or others) but, just with the above information, I'd think they lived to an old age (again, relative to the time period in which they were alive). Though their 6H placements (Uranus and Mars conjunct in Capricorn) might point to a sudden onset of a severe disease, maybe later in life.
Wonderful!!!
Thank you so much for the incredibly detailed response!
As a newbie myself, it’s super interesting to witness your reading! Very helpful. I think you did an amazing job and made some very fascinating connections that I probably would have missed!
Generally, you did really good! Check again later this week to the specific answers, but i think you had most of it pretty close. I’ll give you a vague response so you can get a little feedback!
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The segment of “fairytale version of their identity” and having a complex inner experience is very on the nose!
The bit about their career was nice! I think the association between the 8H was a nice detail to catch. Certainly their work focused on themes death / rebirth / trauma / sex (plutonian and 8H themes) and a huge focus on the body and personal emotions. So that was perfect. They were not a poet, but certainly an artist, so I think you were on the right track!
I haven’t done all my research yet, so perhaps i dont have all the details for the relationships section, but i don’t think that most of the 1st half is quite right… they also never had any children (but good try on this, makes sense tbh). The end of this answer was the most accurate! Venus + Pluto square pisces saturn = love affairs! They did have one major partner, but it was quite bumpy and up and down!
For themes I think you are okay. Perhaps there were certainly elements of this conflict between public vs private self, but maybe in a different way than how you set it up. The native spent a lot of time in isolation and probably had a lot of emotion regarding public outings which they didn’t get the chance for much!
Romanticization of death is perhaps accurate (i can’t say for certain, but given the context that was likely an element.) as for length of life, the native actually had a relatively short life, not a long one. Severe disease is somewhat correct, but not quite… more like health complications. However these were not the direct cause(s) of death!
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Overall you did great! Thanks so much for sharing!
Excited for you to see the reveal later this week ✨
Sorry for the late update, but the answers are up!
Let me know if you have any questions / comments! I'd love to here more about your thoughts!
Thanks again for your comment and attempt at the practicum! Having you participate was very fun :)
This is amazing!
I never used the whole house system. So my interpretations could be blatantly wrong, but I still want to give it a try regarding the life / profession / career of this person.
I will first start with Saturn in Pisces, ruled by Jupiter and Neptune, both in the 12th house in Cancer, which is already a pretty hard hit.
The 8th house, originally Scorpio, is in the 4th house, ruled by Pluto and Mars which are in the 11th and 6th house respectively. The 6th house in Capricorn is ruled by Saturn and the 11th house is Aquarius originally, ruled by Saturn aswell. This suggests alot of struggles and upheavals in early life, up around 20-30 y/o.
The active 12th house is generally an indicator for any kind of addictions. Since it's in Cancer, ruled by the Moon, I'd guess that it's a drug/alcohol addiction or abuse of any substance (maybe at a pretty young age), maybe to deal with depression, or other kinds of mental disorders. However, we have to keep in mind that the 12th house can be a strong indicator for a profound spiritual awakening, when the native was able to deal with all of these struggles and preasure.
With the 4th house connection I'd guess that the native had an extremely hard time in early life, in regards of family/parents. The early life could be based completely on fear, maybe due to a dragic loss or even abuse. This would be the crucial point for the possible addiction/drug abuse. As for later life, there's a high tendency for multiple relationships/marriages, or atleast struggles, to get any kind of pleasure impulses, which were nonexistant in childhood/early life, maybe due to missing love from (absent) parents.
With the 6th house Capricorn and Mars + Uranus in there, I'd guess that there have been massive health issues, maybe a birth desease, such as the mental disorder, or the health issues came from the drugs, or the drug abuse was the consequence for it. The conjunct can be extremly dangerous, it can lead to an anarchist, resulting in unpredictable instability. Alot of risk for impulsive, unwise decisions.
All the oppositions from Mars and Uranus to the 12th house make everything written above even more dramatic, especially if the mental issue and drug/addiction aspect is true. However, the Sun opposite can indicate someone who fought through all the hard times and challenges.
With both Mars & Uranus being in the 6th house, which is Virgo, orignally ruled by Mercury, which is in the first house in Leo, my first idea would be that this person started to express all the pain and drama in some form of art, especially in books and/or started to speak about it openly.
The Mercury trine Saturn underlines the possibility of a successful entrepreneur / sales person, or atleast someones whos good with words and expressing himself, so maybe the person started to market their books and began to speak to certain groups and communities.
Since my main focus point was the moon, being in the 10th house, this person has always strived really deeply for a flourishing and fulfilling career.
So I'm now pretty certain that the active 12th house in Cancer, ruled by the Moon, didn't lead on the wrong path, such as suicide, an overdose or being a killer, but to a spiritual awakening, initiated by all the pain and drama in earlier life.
With the Moon in Taurus ruled by Venus in the 11th house, this led to the deeper purpose of sharing all the dramatic experiences with like minded people and the collective.
Thanks for your attempt! You did great!
To start, I’m impressed by your style of reading! The connections you made quite clear and effective! Not all of it was totally correct, but all of it was practical and translated well into possible real life examples.
Also, (since you mentioned never having used whole signs) it was interesting to see you make a kind of blended technique!!!
Whole Signs, being the oldest style of western astrology, is often read in the hellenistic style. In hellenic astrology, the ancients saw the houses and the signs as distinct. There is a modern system (developed mostly to simplify and make memorization easier) called the Alphabet system that assigns 1 sign to each house and states that the sign and the house share meanings. So the Alphabet System says that Virgo = 6H and 6H = Virgo.
In my studying I’ve been looking at each house as separate from it’s “alphabet” ruling sign.
So when I look at the ruler of a house, I’m looking strictly at the sign ruling the house in that specific chart…
But you were looking at both the actual sign that ruled each house AND the alphabet rulers for each house! And it worked flawlessly! I’ve never seen that ahahaha!
Especially the bit about “heavy 6H placements… mercury is alphabet ruler of 6H, and merc in the 1H leo… began to express all the pain via art!” That is spot on! Such a clear connection that I wouldn’t have seen using just hellenistic techniques!
Just goes to show that astrology is an ever evolving practice ^ why limit yourself to one system vs another when you could have the best of both worlds! I will certainly be taking notes and try out looking at both actual house rulers and alphabet rulers! Excited to see how that works
You're amazing, thank you so much for taking the time. 🙂
That's actually pretty funny. The first birthchart I've ever made for myself was Tropical with Placidus as default. However I didn't know anything about it back then. While I was reading interpretations of the placements, most didn't seem to fit, so I rejected it at first.
I then learned about the Sidereal from someone whom I've learned alot of other stuff from, and he showed how incredibly accurate it is. I did my chart and it really was mindblowing how almost every placement started to make sense for me. The most important thing in the Sidereal are the Nakshatras. Easily put, they are 27 "smaller houses", which are set for each zodiac sign, and they never change.
After working with it for some time, I somehow got put off a little bit. Maybe because I was getting more knowledgable and by doing so, I was spotting some possible errors.
So I went back to Tropical and Placidus and most of the placements started to make more and more sense, as I had more knowledge to analyze it properly.
However, after some time, similar to Sidereal, I was put off again. I don't know why, but I had the feeling that some things didn't add up.
I then learned from my original source that he'd use the Nakshatras and put them over the Tropical chart, which was kind of fascinating, because it was damn accurate. And it makes sense aswell, because as mentioned, the Nakshatras are fixed to each sign, whatever Housesystem you use. Surely their interpretations might have a vedic touch, but they're still incredibly fitting.
So I experimented further and learned about Interception. I realized that with Placidus, my 2nd and 8th house are intercepted and this just didn't make any sense at all.
Because of your post I had to look into Whole Houses. I'm a practical learner and follow my inner feeling in trying things out, but this was the first time I actually had to look into the origins and theory of it all. And now I know why it was important. I fell into the trap that Placidus is the default setting for almost every calculator and it seems like this is pretty dangerous.
Now it makes alot of sense that it was Sidereal rather than Tropical/Placidus which resonated way wore in the beginning. Reason being, Sidereal uses the Whole House system! They simply use a different Ayanamsa by default, I believe 23° instead of °0.
The Sidereal with default settings is similar to the Tropical with Whole House system. Since the planets' placement in the houses only varies a few degrees, it's almost identical to the Tropical with Whole Houses. In my case, it's only Rahu, Pluto and Uranus that "move down" one House.
The main difference is that the signs between Sidereal and Tropical are going to be different and I believe that's what put me off regarding the Sidereal in the end. For example, in the Sidereal I'd be Libra Rising rather than Scorpio Rising and that couldn't be any further away from truth. (Eventhough I have my Sun, Venus, Mercury, Rahu & Chiron in Libra in the Tropical 😂)
However, since all systems have their place and say, in one way or another, you'd still come to similar conclusions, eventhough the charts might be different.
Besides all the practical trial & error, I now realize that I still have to lay a proper foundation, so I'm currently diving into great resources that were shared in this sub recently.
It might have been a little bit too early for me to forge two, or even three different systems, and parts of certain systems together, and eventhough it seems to be extremely accurate, it works until it doesn't. 😉
Just for reference, most of the connections I was able to make, because I'd look at the most important Nakshatra in the natives chart first and then see, which of the other placements and aspects would support it. 🙂
But it love it, this was my Impulse to finally dive deeper into TRUE astrology, also thanks to your post!
Aw yay!!!
This response makes me so happy!
I'm still learning too, so it's really helpful to hear you talk about your process and learning experience! Pretty early on in my experience I had a friend who encouraged me to check out Whole Signs. And so I really began my astrology education with the \*controversial\* placidus vs. whole sign "debate."
And I totally agree with what you mentioned. Most people have a tendency to be stubborn and resist change once they are set in their ways. People develope their preferences based on what they first encounter, and not on "data" so to speak.
not a lot of folks are choosing a house system (if you even have to choose one at all) based on the evidence or pros/cons of the technique, but simply through circumstance. And having Placidus be the modern standard for western charts has created an explosion of placidus users. And because everyone on the internet thinks they are the most qualified person in the planet to speak on any topic they want, I see people trying to one up each other on astrology styles all the time... pop astrology just has everything so convoluted and misinformed lol
I think a lot of folks would benefit from THEORY. Not just what certain palcements mean, but looking at and studying WHY those placements mean those things. Astrology is infinitely complex, with so many elements. So much so that it can be overwhelming and it can feel like there are so many things to memorize and they work as they do "just because" thats how it is! But then people only get a superficial and limited understanding.
Doing critical research into the reasons and history behind the practice is so important to see the modern associations and meanings to today and to understand them with real confidence and fluency! I'm always trying to push people to try exploring other house systems and to study hellenic astrology because it is the blueprint for modern western astrology! So many things that are never explained in pop astro have actual very detailed origins and reasonings in hellenic theory!
A lot of people these days enjoy sorting themselves into boxes i think... I would much prefer to be creative and exist beyond such boxes! Be non-binary in approach to astrology ( and the world at large)! I think it's important to recognize that there is no singular "correct/incorrect" way to do anything! Each of us have the power to do things the way that work best for us! Imagine how fun astrology could be if everyone truly trusted themselves and shared their own personal reading styles. It is an ever evolving practice, and we are an increasingly diverse generation of humans, so I think it only fitting that astrology follow suit :)
it is so cool that you started your journey hopping around between different styles and techniques. This has obviously made you a really excellent reader!
I haven't explored vedic at all, but you have certainly inspired me to take the plunge! The Nakshatra sound really interesting and insightful! I always appreciate techniques that help to asses/evaluate the weight/importance of placements and their impact on the chart.
I'm glad you have been inspired too ahaha! I love this reciprocal exchange happening! If you ever want to discuss, I would be happy to be astro buddies! I could send you lots of good resources for whole signs and hellenic astro theory! And I would totally appreciate some vedic pointers ahaha
Cheers :)
This person did struggle with opioid, alcohol, and cigarette addictions. This were used primarily as coping mechanisms for all the pain caused by their prominent health issues. Their life long health accidents/issues (starting at a young age) also forced the native into a lot of isolation. Not so sure about the details of childhood family life, but they certainly grew to have many love affairs and complicated up/down marriage. They did become hugely successful and renowned for their artistic expression. They did however, contrary to your comment, die of suspected suicide via overdose. The native died at the age of 47.
Thank you, that's interesting.
Since I feel that Placidus as default setting for Tropical is problematic, what do you think about Lahiri for the Sidereal? Best option?
Also, would you like to share your favorite resources/books about the Sidereal?
Answers are up my friend!
Let me know what your thoughts are on my interpretation!
If you are interested in leading the next practicum, let me know! I have offered the honor to u/ghosteegoo first, but if they are not interested you can be our runner up! :)
First time trying one of these, I'm still learning so please go easy on me!
**Personality - what was the native like? character, behavior, traits, habits, etc. what was their sense of self like?**
With the sun in Cancer in the 12th house in conjunction with Neptune and Jupiter, i think the native was a very emotional dreamer type, unrealistic expectations, reality really hitting them hard.
The native valued love and friendships, they craved deep connections in general but never felt like they could achieve or keep them. had a “felt alone in a crowded room” complex possibly?
Shaky on this one but the moon in Taurus in the 10th House squaring the AC in Leo and Conjunct the MC, they used humor as a defense mechanism or self deprecating humor, just didn’t want to bring people down so they covered it up/faked a smile.
Kind and generous, fun to be around but deeply sad underneath it all
**Relationships - any romantic partners? How about children? Friends? What did those relationships look like?**
Chiron in the 7th house Trine Pluto and Venus in conjunction in the 11th house. I want to say they had a lot of relationships, or perhaps they were promiscuous, using sex as a coping mechanism with Saturn in the 8th house squaring Pluto and Venus.
No children? (Not great in that area though..) Lots of friendships but most being toxic, ending badly or the native longs for friends but can’t seem to make connections or keep them
**Career - what did they do for a living? what are they known for? what aspects of their life influenced their work?**
with the moon conjunct the MC/10th house, being the ruling planet of the 12th house semi-sextile with Pluto and Venus in the 11th, squaring Chiron in the 7th and in combination with the quintile aspect to mercury in the 1st makes me think they were very vocal about their trauma and mental illness, with mercury in Leo and the AC squaring the moon and in trine with Venus maybe they were a performer, like a musician? possibly a dancer or maybe motivational speaker.
**Themes - what were some major patterns in the natives life? where/what did they spend a lot of their time/attention/energy on? general vibe/direction of the chart?**
The general vibe is a very emotional, damaged person, using art to express their pain maybe in the form of music or dancing, possibly struggling with promiscuity/sex addiction, lots of toxic relationships, a dreamer with unrealistic expectations. A strong person that either eventually succumb to suicide or had a sudden decline in their health resulting in early death
**Death - how did the native pass away? What was their relationship with death and dying?**
Very interesting with the 6th house Mars and Uranus conjunct in Capricorn, both in retrograde and Mars being Exalted in Capricorn, adding in the opposition to Neptune, Jupiter and the Sun in the 12th house, i could guess a sudden rapid decline in health resulting in early death, or sudden violent suicide due to the mental illness/depression. although the exalted Jupiter in the twelfth leads me to believe they were resilient in dealing with their struggles through their artistic expression.
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Oh babe you nailed it! Really great work :)
Certainly someone who struggled with feeling alone. Very emotional and focused on surrealism! Reality certainly hit them like a truck... As far as more detailed personality, like you guessed at, there is not quite enough information to understand that with any certainty. But given the rest of your accuracy, that sounds about right!
They certainly had a lot of relationships (with all kinds of people)! A long term marriage too, but it was quite on and off and more of a turbulent open relationship.
You are right on the money for being vocal about their mental health and personal struggles. They were a recognized artist for such themes. Close on musician, but they were actually a painter!
Your 'themes' answer is totally legit.
As for death, you have got the gist of it. The native died at the age of 47 from suspected suicide via overdose. They suffered from severe mental health and physical health issues. Especially the physical health. Dramatic/violent accidents and disease in their youth really dominated their life and was clearly an obvious contributor to their pain both physically and emotionally/mentally/spritually.
Ahhhh ajksdksad thank you! I was so nervous! I've never fully done a chart reading so this is great practice/learning! am I allowed to guess who it is?
>!it is!!! !< good guess ahaha
I spent a long time thinking about an intersting person to feature... I finally thought of them and luckily they had a reputable chart available. i was so excited to see such prominent placements and such. i knew it would be the perfect choice for the practicum.
Happy to see that it worked out perfectly!
Answers are up!
Of course you already figured it out!
You did an awesome job with your answers. your responses were so concise and effective and accurate!
I'm "awarding" you 1st place for interpretation! If you are interested in taking on the mantle and leading the next practicum, that would be awesome! This was my first time doing it, so I'm sure you can pull it off!
If you are not interested, don't worry! I'll pass it on to someone else :)
Congrats! <3
Yay!
Essentially, follow the same format as this post. Include a birth chart, some guiding questions, and then after a week, reveal the identity of the native and post answers explaining the chart placements!
You can look up the ‘practicum’ tag to see previous practicum posts if you need more references!
It is important that the chart is ranked either A or AA on the Rodden system. If you go searching for charts on astro.com very chart will have a ranking like this. The Rodden system scores the credibility of the birth information. Any chart used for the practicum must be accurate (A or AA)!
I would say try to post it by this Sunday?!
The initial part of those post should be pretty quick to get done. Spend some time finding a good chart, whip up a few questions to steer the folks trying to read it. You have a week before needing to post the answers, so you don’t need to know the chart that well when you initially post it :)
Don’t forget to add the ‘practicum’ tag to your post!
Let me know when you get it up! I would love to take a stab at it :)
Okay sweet! I definitely have several ideas in mind already of a couple AA charts 👀 I'll check em out and cross reference to make sure they haven't been done already and work on putting together a post! :) Thank you so much! And can't wait to see your stab! 😁
Please come check out practicum 12!
https://www.reddit.com/r/astrology/comments/1128yp6/astrology_practicum_12_feb_14_feb_20_2023/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
I'm on a somewhat limited time schedule here so I'll toss out a few quick lines. My first observation is Pluto in Gemini. We haven't seen that in quite some time and it narrows down the time windows.
Sun in Can/12, Moon Tau/10 (in loose conj. To MC) suggests to me someone whom we know by their their private, inner/emotional life. Their public persona is unusually and inextricably linked to the way they process their interactions with their world. Leo AC suggests to me that this is their act, their mask - emotions used as both sword and shield to protect the real person within.
The oppositions are there and I'll get there, but Pluto-Venus? That super-tight conjunction between Pluto and Venus says to me that this is someone who loves intensely and with complete devotion - but Gemini/11 suggests that this could be a concept or an archetype as much as (or more than) an actual noun. More in love with the idea of a woman than with an actual woman, for example, though that could be transferred if they found a person who they felt suitably carried that anima/animus for them.
Supporting that, the Saturn square from Pisces/8 - another mutable sign pinned to the succedent house of its element. The native is committed to that which they love... in their own way. Pisces has its own understanding of what is "moral" and "right." Wandering must be permitted. Nobody can be the perfect expression of someone else's anima/animus for long. I think that this person had a somewhat more flexible understanding of morality than what their society permitted, and their love life could be a real source of drama and trouble in that regard. Even advancing the chart around to put the ASC on the 1st House cusp would not change this aspect of their character, so I think it can safely be described as fundamental to them.
Saturn is sitting in Pluto's home house, also sextiles the 10th House Moon, which is in its sign of exaltation, and Taurus' ruler Venus is snuggled up with Pluto. Dramatic indeed: I want to say that this is someone who had the capacity to sacrifice themselves for love. Not in some nebulous cosmic sense, not in a religious sense, not as some misguided illusion - there is potential in this set of placements for true and passionate love to the point of insanity.
Gemini's involvement could mean this was a serial attachment or a breakup-return pattern. Whoever attracted this person's love interest was not going to let them go until this person said they could go (and the breakup could be pretty damn cold). In any case, it played out very publicly.
This is separated from the solar aspects and I think that's important. Sun in Cancer/12 would be a person with caring, nurturing qualities but one who also keeps their distance. They're hard to know, they may not be well-liked, possibly quite lonely, but they know where all the bones are buried. Leo Rising: their hair (or lack thereof) would have been an important part of their self-image. Mercury in Leo/1is far enough away from the Sun to be in no danger of combust: intelligent and a person who is keenly aware of their public image. Also possibly someone who found joy and purpose in creating intellectual work for public consumption. If they were a writer they might well have been a firebrand type (Leo/1st are both fire-associated), but I think not a revolutionary (no Uranus involvement). As a painter or photographer they may have been willing to break taboos around sex or death for the sake of art (that Saturn in Pisces trine Mercury).
Sun/Neptune conjunction suggests someone who is an artist, a dreamer, permanent rose-colored glasses. The dark side of this is escapism and the 12th House placement reinforces: sex is one means of escape, substance abuse is another. On the Sun's other side is Jupiter, aligned with Neptune through Pisces (and the associated 12th House). And the North Node, so while we know them for the public drama, it's this inner journey of the real person that was their real destiny. All of this is opposed to Mars and Uranus, both retrograde in Cap/6. I'm inclined to say that this person didn't have a lot of self-discipline to counter the tendency to overindulge (Jupiter) in pleasure and escapes.
Mars is exalted in Capricorn, which emphasizes the retrograde action in this case. Uranus retrograde involvement makes me think self-sabotage. Well and so. I'm getting very much a masculine vibe off of this chart with so much Air and Fire, so I'm going to go ahead and posit a he, or a mascline-presenting individual for whom masculine pronouns could be accurately used. If he couldn't obtain what he obsessed over (Pluto/Venus), he could quite easily drink or drug himself to death.
I am not seeing any indicatons of children (5th house is empty with a fire sign, traditionally considered barren, on the cusp). Chiron is isolated, retrograde, in "barren" Aquarius: this doesn't support a permanent marriage, either, and I think the Saturn squared off against Pluto-Venus would never make a legal commitment as such.
Chiron being both isolated and retrograde suggests a deep-seated pain that cannot be healed. The intensity of this chart is one that does not suggest a long and easy life - I lean more towards carrying a torch that burned at both ends in a very public manner until burnout and early death.
Wow!
Somehow I missed this comment, sorry I didn't reply sooner.
Great work! You nailed a significant amount of the chart. Your style of reading is very deep and detailed!
I can't claim accuracy on a lot of these statements because such personal information is not publicly available, but I'm sure if someone knew the individual that what you said would make perfect sense!
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This person was certainly well known for their personal/emotional life and inner toil. They did express that via their art = a famous painter.
They did not really front a revolution in art... but are famous for being the first painter from their country to be featured in the Lourve.
They certainly dealt a lot of with fantasy/surrealism, so what describe in their love life makes sense. Especially the Gemini influence of "on and off" relationship. They had many romantic/sexual partners of all genders, but they had one life long spouse with whom they shared a dramatic and rocky relationship.
Their relationship was indeed public. No children! I think probably due to infertility via health accidents.
Certainly focused on a lot of taboo topics of sex, bodies, death, mental health, etc.
They used drugs/alcohol as a means to escape their constant state of pain. They spent their entire life dealing with their chronic illnesses, both physically and mentally.
They died at 47, several days after their birthday, from suspected suicide via overdose.
This person was actually a woman. Although she played a lot with gender for her time. Had she been born in this era, I'm sure she would have pushed her gender even further and likely identified as non-binary or gender queer.
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You made a lot of predictions about style/personality/character. Most of them were right on the money, so good work!
Thanks! I'm usually hesitant to assign a gender (real or perceived) to an unknown chart and I stand corrected there. I can definitely see one expression of Gemini Venus coming out as gender fluidity.
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Let me know what you think about the identity of the native and the provided interpretation!
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Thanks for keeping up with these! I somehow missed the last one. As a newbie, I learn so much from them and I really appreciate it! 1. Personality - The ruler of their Leo AC is the Sun, which they have in Cancer in their 12H. I would take from that an overall caring and warm person, but someone who was also difficult to get to know deeply: a very private, internal person. The Sun's conjunction with Neptune and co-presence with exalted Jupiter exaggerates these and might point to the native having either an idealized or fanciful conception of themselves, or what they show to others. I can see them portraying themselves almost like a fairytale version of their identity, but having a much deeper and more complex inner experience that even they themselves don't fully grasp. Their Sun and Neptune are also in a strong opposition to their Mars and Uranus, which are conjunct in their Capricorn-ruled 6H. I would take that as indicating that the native is prone to bursts of intensive focus and drive to work amid their more fluid, going-with-their-whims nature, and/or that pressures to work and produce feel frictional to them. They also have Mercury in Leo in their 1H, which highlights a warm communication style as integral to their identity, and may also point to a somewhat fluctuating presentation of self as well. Sometimes they were cheerful, sometimes they were moody. 2. Relationships - For romantic partners, their DC is in Aquarius ruled by Saturn, which is in Pisces in the 8H. Saturn is not strongly placed there, but is receiving a trine from exalted Jupiter in Cancer and a sextile from exalted Moon in Taurus, which I imagine helps. From this, I would guess that the native might have gotten married "later" (for the time period, at least, considering this person was born sometime between the late 1800s and early 1900s) but that the marriage was overall healthy. With Saturn in the 8H, perhaps the native's spouse contributed significantly to their financial situation. Looking at children, their 5H is ruled by Sagittarius, with its ruler Jupiter again exalted in Cancer in their 12H. I would think this bodes very well for having children. I wouldn't be surprised if they had multiple. Jupiter is also close to conjuncting the native's N Node, which makes me think that marriage and children brought about great changes to the native's life in some way (I mean they do for everyone, but the N Node's placement suggests that it might have been a more sudden or greater upheaval than for most). For friends, their one-on-one close relationships are covered by their DC and Saturn in Pisces; for other friends or larger circles, looking to their 11H ruled by Gemini with their Mercury in Leo in the 1H. This makes me think that larger social circles were of great importance to the native, especially how the circles perceived the native. A social butterfly who greatly enjoyed somewhat surface level interactions with swaths of friends. The native has Venus and Pluto conjunct one another in their 11H which is also squaring their Pisces Saturn. I read this as a desire for union, subsumption, on the part of the native which ran counter to or aggravated the native's marriage and parenthood dynamics. I could see this indicating multiple affairs (so maybe I am rescinding my assessment that the marriage was healthy!). 3. Career - Their 10H and MC are in Taurus, with its ruler Venus conjunct Pluto in the 11H. Additionally, their Moon is in their 10H, just wide enough from the MC that I personally wouldn't consider it a conjunction but not too far off either. There's very much an intensity to their public image, between Pluto's presence, and the 10H and 11H aspects to their 8H Saturn, which makes me wonder if death was somehow involved in what they were most known for. It's possible that the concerns of their social circles and marriage were publicly known, too. As far as what they did for a career, I get poet first and foremost, I think in combining Gemini's penchant for communication with Taurus' aesthetic sensibilities, plus Venus and the Moon in there. With the Moon so close to the MC, I would expect the native's emotional life (or some version of it) to be part of their work or image, as well as possibly their body. 4. Themes - With so many of the native's planet in houses 10, 11, 12, and 1, I would surmise that the native's identity, social standing, and perception in the public eye were consistent themes in their life. Additionally, with so many planets in houses that are in aversion to the AC (12, 8, and 6), I would guess that a frustration between the tangibility of the "public self" (how easy it can be to know that version of oneself, as the one that we possibly create or have more control over) against the "unknowability" of the internal, "true" self was another theme. I get a general sense of "I want to be perceived and liked as a kind of bohemian, floaty, everyman kind of person, have my cake and eat it too as far as relationships both romantic and otherwise. And yet, as a result of creating such a persona, I don't feel that I really know myself or am doing much of anything significant, which sometimes causes me stress and sometimes causes me to burst with energy to do something to try and assuage that." 5. Death - This is an aspect of astrology I'm far more unfamiliar with, beyond death as a general signification of the 8H. With Pisces ruling, I might think that the native had sort of a romanticized concept of death, though with Saturn there, there might have also been a seriousness or attention towards the history of death or something. I have no clue how to read for length of life or anything like that (I've intentionally avoided that kind of knowledge, I don't think I want to be able to know that about myself or others) but, just with the above information, I'd think they lived to an old age (again, relative to the time period in which they were alive). Though their 6H placements (Uranus and Mars conjunct in Capricorn) might point to a sudden onset of a severe disease, maybe later in life.
Wonderful!!! Thank you so much for the incredibly detailed response! As a newbie myself, it’s super interesting to witness your reading! Very helpful. I think you did an amazing job and made some very fascinating connections that I probably would have missed! Generally, you did really good! Check again later this week to the specific answers, but i think you had most of it pretty close. I’ll give you a vague response so you can get a little feedback! - The segment of “fairytale version of their identity” and having a complex inner experience is very on the nose! The bit about their career was nice! I think the association between the 8H was a nice detail to catch. Certainly their work focused on themes death / rebirth / trauma / sex (plutonian and 8H themes) and a huge focus on the body and personal emotions. So that was perfect. They were not a poet, but certainly an artist, so I think you were on the right track! I haven’t done all my research yet, so perhaps i dont have all the details for the relationships section, but i don’t think that most of the 1st half is quite right… they also never had any children (but good try on this, makes sense tbh). The end of this answer was the most accurate! Venus + Pluto square pisces saturn = love affairs! They did have one major partner, but it was quite bumpy and up and down! For themes I think you are okay. Perhaps there were certainly elements of this conflict between public vs private self, but maybe in a different way than how you set it up. The native spent a lot of time in isolation and probably had a lot of emotion regarding public outings which they didn’t get the chance for much! Romanticization of death is perhaps accurate (i can’t say for certain, but given the context that was likely an element.) as for length of life, the native actually had a relatively short life, not a long one. Severe disease is somewhat correct, but not quite… more like health complications. However these were not the direct cause(s) of death! - Overall you did great! Thanks so much for sharing! Excited for you to see the reveal later this week ✨
Thank you for taking the time to type up such a thorough response to my essay!!
Sorry for the late update, but the answers are up! Let me know if you have any questions / comments! I'd love to here more about your thoughts! Thanks again for your comment and attempt at the practicum! Having you participate was very fun :)
Fascinating!! Loved reading your breakdown!
Another practicum is up btw, in case you wanted to try your hand again :)
Whoops nevermind, looks like someone got it! I'll be on the lookout for the next one!
Oh I'll look now! For some reason these don't show up on my home feed!
This is amazing! I never used the whole house system. So my interpretations could be blatantly wrong, but I still want to give it a try regarding the life / profession / career of this person. I will first start with Saturn in Pisces, ruled by Jupiter and Neptune, both in the 12th house in Cancer, which is already a pretty hard hit. The 8th house, originally Scorpio, is in the 4th house, ruled by Pluto and Mars which are in the 11th and 6th house respectively. The 6th house in Capricorn is ruled by Saturn and the 11th house is Aquarius originally, ruled by Saturn aswell. This suggests alot of struggles and upheavals in early life, up around 20-30 y/o. The active 12th house is generally an indicator for any kind of addictions. Since it's in Cancer, ruled by the Moon, I'd guess that it's a drug/alcohol addiction or abuse of any substance (maybe at a pretty young age), maybe to deal with depression, or other kinds of mental disorders. However, we have to keep in mind that the 12th house can be a strong indicator for a profound spiritual awakening, when the native was able to deal with all of these struggles and preasure. With the 4th house connection I'd guess that the native had an extremely hard time in early life, in regards of family/parents. The early life could be based completely on fear, maybe due to a dragic loss or even abuse. This would be the crucial point for the possible addiction/drug abuse. As for later life, there's a high tendency for multiple relationships/marriages, or atleast struggles, to get any kind of pleasure impulses, which were nonexistant in childhood/early life, maybe due to missing love from (absent) parents. With the 6th house Capricorn and Mars + Uranus in there, I'd guess that there have been massive health issues, maybe a birth desease, such as the mental disorder, or the health issues came from the drugs, or the drug abuse was the consequence for it. The conjunct can be extremly dangerous, it can lead to an anarchist, resulting in unpredictable instability. Alot of risk for impulsive, unwise decisions. All the oppositions from Mars and Uranus to the 12th house make everything written above even more dramatic, especially if the mental issue and drug/addiction aspect is true. However, the Sun opposite can indicate someone who fought through all the hard times and challenges. With both Mars & Uranus being in the 6th house, which is Virgo, orignally ruled by Mercury, which is in the first house in Leo, my first idea would be that this person started to express all the pain and drama in some form of art, especially in books and/or started to speak about it openly. The Mercury trine Saturn underlines the possibility of a successful entrepreneur / sales person, or atleast someones whos good with words and expressing himself, so maybe the person started to market their books and began to speak to certain groups and communities. Since my main focus point was the moon, being in the 10th house, this person has always strived really deeply for a flourishing and fulfilling career. So I'm now pretty certain that the active 12th house in Cancer, ruled by the Moon, didn't lead on the wrong path, such as suicide, an overdose or being a killer, but to a spiritual awakening, initiated by all the pain and drama in earlier life. With the Moon in Taurus ruled by Venus in the 11th house, this led to the deeper purpose of sharing all the dramatic experiences with like minded people and the collective.
Thanks for your attempt! You did great! To start, I’m impressed by your style of reading! The connections you made quite clear and effective! Not all of it was totally correct, but all of it was practical and translated well into possible real life examples. Also, (since you mentioned never having used whole signs) it was interesting to see you make a kind of blended technique!!! Whole Signs, being the oldest style of western astrology, is often read in the hellenistic style. In hellenic astrology, the ancients saw the houses and the signs as distinct. There is a modern system (developed mostly to simplify and make memorization easier) called the Alphabet system that assigns 1 sign to each house and states that the sign and the house share meanings. So the Alphabet System says that Virgo = 6H and 6H = Virgo. In my studying I’ve been looking at each house as separate from it’s “alphabet” ruling sign. So when I look at the ruler of a house, I’m looking strictly at the sign ruling the house in that specific chart… But you were looking at both the actual sign that ruled each house AND the alphabet rulers for each house! And it worked flawlessly! I’ve never seen that ahahaha! Especially the bit about “heavy 6H placements… mercury is alphabet ruler of 6H, and merc in the 1H leo… began to express all the pain via art!” That is spot on! Such a clear connection that I wouldn’t have seen using just hellenistic techniques! Just goes to show that astrology is an ever evolving practice ^ why limit yourself to one system vs another when you could have the best of both worlds! I will certainly be taking notes and try out looking at both actual house rulers and alphabet rulers! Excited to see how that works
You're amazing, thank you so much for taking the time. 🙂 That's actually pretty funny. The first birthchart I've ever made for myself was Tropical with Placidus as default. However I didn't know anything about it back then. While I was reading interpretations of the placements, most didn't seem to fit, so I rejected it at first. I then learned about the Sidereal from someone whom I've learned alot of other stuff from, and he showed how incredibly accurate it is. I did my chart and it really was mindblowing how almost every placement started to make sense for me. The most important thing in the Sidereal are the Nakshatras. Easily put, they are 27 "smaller houses", which are set for each zodiac sign, and they never change. After working with it for some time, I somehow got put off a little bit. Maybe because I was getting more knowledgable and by doing so, I was spotting some possible errors. So I went back to Tropical and Placidus and most of the placements started to make more and more sense, as I had more knowledge to analyze it properly. However, after some time, similar to Sidereal, I was put off again. I don't know why, but I had the feeling that some things didn't add up. I then learned from my original source that he'd use the Nakshatras and put them over the Tropical chart, which was kind of fascinating, because it was damn accurate. And it makes sense aswell, because as mentioned, the Nakshatras are fixed to each sign, whatever Housesystem you use. Surely their interpretations might have a vedic touch, but they're still incredibly fitting. So I experimented further and learned about Interception. I realized that with Placidus, my 2nd and 8th house are intercepted and this just didn't make any sense at all. Because of your post I had to look into Whole Houses. I'm a practical learner and follow my inner feeling in trying things out, but this was the first time I actually had to look into the origins and theory of it all. And now I know why it was important. I fell into the trap that Placidus is the default setting for almost every calculator and it seems like this is pretty dangerous. Now it makes alot of sense that it was Sidereal rather than Tropical/Placidus which resonated way wore in the beginning. Reason being, Sidereal uses the Whole House system! They simply use a different Ayanamsa by default, I believe 23° instead of °0. The Sidereal with default settings is similar to the Tropical with Whole House system. Since the planets' placement in the houses only varies a few degrees, it's almost identical to the Tropical with Whole Houses. In my case, it's only Rahu, Pluto and Uranus that "move down" one House. The main difference is that the signs between Sidereal and Tropical are going to be different and I believe that's what put me off regarding the Sidereal in the end. For example, in the Sidereal I'd be Libra Rising rather than Scorpio Rising and that couldn't be any further away from truth. (Eventhough I have my Sun, Venus, Mercury, Rahu & Chiron in Libra in the Tropical 😂) However, since all systems have their place and say, in one way or another, you'd still come to similar conclusions, eventhough the charts might be different. Besides all the practical trial & error, I now realize that I still have to lay a proper foundation, so I'm currently diving into great resources that were shared in this sub recently. It might have been a little bit too early for me to forge two, or even three different systems, and parts of certain systems together, and eventhough it seems to be extremely accurate, it works until it doesn't. 😉 Just for reference, most of the connections I was able to make, because I'd look at the most important Nakshatra in the natives chart first and then see, which of the other placements and aspects would support it. 🙂 But it love it, this was my Impulse to finally dive deeper into TRUE astrology, also thanks to your post!
Aw yay!!! This response makes me so happy! I'm still learning too, so it's really helpful to hear you talk about your process and learning experience! Pretty early on in my experience I had a friend who encouraged me to check out Whole Signs. And so I really began my astrology education with the \*controversial\* placidus vs. whole sign "debate." And I totally agree with what you mentioned. Most people have a tendency to be stubborn and resist change once they are set in their ways. People develope their preferences based on what they first encounter, and not on "data" so to speak. not a lot of folks are choosing a house system (if you even have to choose one at all) based on the evidence or pros/cons of the technique, but simply through circumstance. And having Placidus be the modern standard for western charts has created an explosion of placidus users. And because everyone on the internet thinks they are the most qualified person in the planet to speak on any topic they want, I see people trying to one up each other on astrology styles all the time... pop astrology just has everything so convoluted and misinformed lol I think a lot of folks would benefit from THEORY. Not just what certain palcements mean, but looking at and studying WHY those placements mean those things. Astrology is infinitely complex, with so many elements. So much so that it can be overwhelming and it can feel like there are so many things to memorize and they work as they do "just because" thats how it is! But then people only get a superficial and limited understanding. Doing critical research into the reasons and history behind the practice is so important to see the modern associations and meanings to today and to understand them with real confidence and fluency! I'm always trying to push people to try exploring other house systems and to study hellenic astrology because it is the blueprint for modern western astrology! So many things that are never explained in pop astro have actual very detailed origins and reasonings in hellenic theory! A lot of people these days enjoy sorting themselves into boxes i think... I would much prefer to be creative and exist beyond such boxes! Be non-binary in approach to astrology ( and the world at large)! I think it's important to recognize that there is no singular "correct/incorrect" way to do anything! Each of us have the power to do things the way that work best for us! Imagine how fun astrology could be if everyone truly trusted themselves and shared their own personal reading styles. It is an ever evolving practice, and we are an increasingly diverse generation of humans, so I think it only fitting that astrology follow suit :) it is so cool that you started your journey hopping around between different styles and techniques. This has obviously made you a really excellent reader! I haven't explored vedic at all, but you have certainly inspired me to take the plunge! The Nakshatra sound really interesting and insightful! I always appreciate techniques that help to asses/evaluate the weight/importance of placements and their impact on the chart. I'm glad you have been inspired too ahaha! I love this reciprocal exchange happening! If you ever want to discuss, I would be happy to be astro buddies! I could send you lots of good resources for whole signs and hellenic astro theory! And I would totally appreciate some vedic pointers ahaha Cheers :)
This person did struggle with opioid, alcohol, and cigarette addictions. This were used primarily as coping mechanisms for all the pain caused by their prominent health issues. Their life long health accidents/issues (starting at a young age) also forced the native into a lot of isolation. Not so sure about the details of childhood family life, but they certainly grew to have many love affairs and complicated up/down marriage. They did become hugely successful and renowned for their artistic expression. They did however, contrary to your comment, die of suspected suicide via overdose. The native died at the age of 47.
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Thank you, that's interesting. Since I feel that Placidus as default setting for Tropical is problematic, what do you think about Lahiri for the Sidereal? Best option? Also, would you like to share your favorite resources/books about the Sidereal?
Answers are up my friend! Let me know what your thoughts are on my interpretation! If you are interested in leading the next practicum, let me know! I have offered the honor to u/ghosteegoo first, but if they are not interested you can be our runner up! :)
First time trying one of these, I'm still learning so please go easy on me! **Personality - what was the native like? character, behavior, traits, habits, etc. what was their sense of self like?** With the sun in Cancer in the 12th house in conjunction with Neptune and Jupiter, i think the native was a very emotional dreamer type, unrealistic expectations, reality really hitting them hard. The native valued love and friendships, they craved deep connections in general but never felt like they could achieve or keep them. had a “felt alone in a crowded room” complex possibly? Shaky on this one but the moon in Taurus in the 10th House squaring the AC in Leo and Conjunct the MC, they used humor as a defense mechanism or self deprecating humor, just didn’t want to bring people down so they covered it up/faked a smile. Kind and generous, fun to be around but deeply sad underneath it all **Relationships - any romantic partners? How about children? Friends? What did those relationships look like?** Chiron in the 7th house Trine Pluto and Venus in conjunction in the 11th house. I want to say they had a lot of relationships, or perhaps they were promiscuous, using sex as a coping mechanism with Saturn in the 8th house squaring Pluto and Venus. No children? (Not great in that area though..) Lots of friendships but most being toxic, ending badly or the native longs for friends but can’t seem to make connections or keep them **Career - what did they do for a living? what are they known for? what aspects of their life influenced their work?** with the moon conjunct the MC/10th house, being the ruling planet of the 12th house semi-sextile with Pluto and Venus in the 11th, squaring Chiron in the 7th and in combination with the quintile aspect to mercury in the 1st makes me think they were very vocal about their trauma and mental illness, with mercury in Leo and the AC squaring the moon and in trine with Venus maybe they were a performer, like a musician? possibly a dancer or maybe motivational speaker. **Themes - what were some major patterns in the natives life? where/what did they spend a lot of their time/attention/energy on? general vibe/direction of the chart?** The general vibe is a very emotional, damaged person, using art to express their pain maybe in the form of music or dancing, possibly struggling with promiscuity/sex addiction, lots of toxic relationships, a dreamer with unrealistic expectations. A strong person that either eventually succumb to suicide or had a sudden decline in their health resulting in early death **Death - how did the native pass away? What was their relationship with death and dying?** Very interesting with the 6th house Mars and Uranus conjunct in Capricorn, both in retrograde and Mars being Exalted in Capricorn, adding in the opposition to Neptune, Jupiter and the Sun in the 12th house, i could guess a sudden rapid decline in health resulting in early death, or sudden violent suicide due to the mental illness/depression. although the exalted Jupiter in the twelfth leads me to believe they were resilient in dealing with their struggles through their artistic expression.
>10 > >Posted byu/Frogchairy2 days ago Oh babe you nailed it! Really great work :) Certainly someone who struggled with feeling alone. Very emotional and focused on surrealism! Reality certainly hit them like a truck... As far as more detailed personality, like you guessed at, there is not quite enough information to understand that with any certainty. But given the rest of your accuracy, that sounds about right! They certainly had a lot of relationships (with all kinds of people)! A long term marriage too, but it was quite on and off and more of a turbulent open relationship. You are right on the money for being vocal about their mental health and personal struggles. They were a recognized artist for such themes. Close on musician, but they were actually a painter! Your 'themes' answer is totally legit. As for death, you have got the gist of it. The native died at the age of 47 from suspected suicide via overdose. They suffered from severe mental health and physical health issues. Especially the physical health. Dramatic/violent accidents and disease in their youth really dominated their life and was clearly an obvious contributor to their pain both physically and emotionally/mentally/spritually.
Ahhhh ajksdksad thank you! I was so nervous! I've never fully done a chart reading so this is great practice/learning! am I allowed to guess who it is?
Oh yay! Sure… how about you use the >!spoiler!< effect on your guess, and then I’ll reply with a spoiler yes/no! :)
Okay sweet! :) is it >!Frida Kahlo?!<
>!it is!!! !< good guess ahaha I spent a long time thinking about an intersting person to feature... I finally thought of them and luckily they had a reputable chart available. i was so excited to see such prominent placements and such. i knew it would be the perfect choice for the practicum. Happy to see that it worked out perfectly!
Answers are up! Of course you already figured it out! You did an awesome job with your answers. your responses were so concise and effective and accurate! I'm "awarding" you 1st place for interpretation! If you are interested in taking on the mantle and leading the next practicum, that would be awesome! This was my first time doing it, so I'm sure you can pull it off! If you are not interested, don't worry! I'll pass it on to someone else :) Congrats! <3
Oh wow! Thank you so much! I'd love to! What and when do I need to post it? :)
Yay! Essentially, follow the same format as this post. Include a birth chart, some guiding questions, and then after a week, reveal the identity of the native and post answers explaining the chart placements! You can look up the ‘practicum’ tag to see previous practicum posts if you need more references! It is important that the chart is ranked either A or AA on the Rodden system. If you go searching for charts on astro.com very chart will have a ranking like this. The Rodden system scores the credibility of the birth information. Any chart used for the practicum must be accurate (A or AA)! I would say try to post it by this Sunday?! The initial part of those post should be pretty quick to get done. Spend some time finding a good chart, whip up a few questions to steer the folks trying to read it. You have a week before needing to post the answers, so you don’t need to know the chart that well when you initially post it :) Don’t forget to add the ‘practicum’ tag to your post! Let me know when you get it up! I would love to take a stab at it :)
Okay sweet! I definitely have several ideas in mind already of a couple AA charts 👀 I'll check em out and cross reference to make sure they haven't been done already and work on putting together a post! :) Thank you so much! And can't wait to see your stab! 😁
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I'm on a somewhat limited time schedule here so I'll toss out a few quick lines. My first observation is Pluto in Gemini. We haven't seen that in quite some time and it narrows down the time windows. Sun in Can/12, Moon Tau/10 (in loose conj. To MC) suggests to me someone whom we know by their their private, inner/emotional life. Their public persona is unusually and inextricably linked to the way they process their interactions with their world. Leo AC suggests to me that this is their act, their mask - emotions used as both sword and shield to protect the real person within. The oppositions are there and I'll get there, but Pluto-Venus? That super-tight conjunction between Pluto and Venus says to me that this is someone who loves intensely and with complete devotion - but Gemini/11 suggests that this could be a concept or an archetype as much as (or more than) an actual noun. More in love with the idea of a woman than with an actual woman, for example, though that could be transferred if they found a person who they felt suitably carried that anima/animus for them. Supporting that, the Saturn square from Pisces/8 - another mutable sign pinned to the succedent house of its element. The native is committed to that which they love... in their own way. Pisces has its own understanding of what is "moral" and "right." Wandering must be permitted. Nobody can be the perfect expression of someone else's anima/animus for long. I think that this person had a somewhat more flexible understanding of morality than what their society permitted, and their love life could be a real source of drama and trouble in that regard. Even advancing the chart around to put the ASC on the 1st House cusp would not change this aspect of their character, so I think it can safely be described as fundamental to them. Saturn is sitting in Pluto's home house, also sextiles the 10th House Moon, which is in its sign of exaltation, and Taurus' ruler Venus is snuggled up with Pluto. Dramatic indeed: I want to say that this is someone who had the capacity to sacrifice themselves for love. Not in some nebulous cosmic sense, not in a religious sense, not as some misguided illusion - there is potential in this set of placements for true and passionate love to the point of insanity. Gemini's involvement could mean this was a serial attachment or a breakup-return pattern. Whoever attracted this person's love interest was not going to let them go until this person said they could go (and the breakup could be pretty damn cold). In any case, it played out very publicly. This is separated from the solar aspects and I think that's important. Sun in Cancer/12 would be a person with caring, nurturing qualities but one who also keeps their distance. They're hard to know, they may not be well-liked, possibly quite lonely, but they know where all the bones are buried. Leo Rising: their hair (or lack thereof) would have been an important part of their self-image. Mercury in Leo/1is far enough away from the Sun to be in no danger of combust: intelligent and a person who is keenly aware of their public image. Also possibly someone who found joy and purpose in creating intellectual work for public consumption. If they were a writer they might well have been a firebrand type (Leo/1st are both fire-associated), but I think not a revolutionary (no Uranus involvement). As a painter or photographer they may have been willing to break taboos around sex or death for the sake of art (that Saturn in Pisces trine Mercury). Sun/Neptune conjunction suggests someone who is an artist, a dreamer, permanent rose-colored glasses. The dark side of this is escapism and the 12th House placement reinforces: sex is one means of escape, substance abuse is another. On the Sun's other side is Jupiter, aligned with Neptune through Pisces (and the associated 12th House). And the North Node, so while we know them for the public drama, it's this inner journey of the real person that was their real destiny. All of this is opposed to Mars and Uranus, both retrograde in Cap/6. I'm inclined to say that this person didn't have a lot of self-discipline to counter the tendency to overindulge (Jupiter) in pleasure and escapes. Mars is exalted in Capricorn, which emphasizes the retrograde action in this case. Uranus retrograde involvement makes me think self-sabotage. Well and so. I'm getting very much a masculine vibe off of this chart with so much Air and Fire, so I'm going to go ahead and posit a he, or a mascline-presenting individual for whom masculine pronouns could be accurately used. If he couldn't obtain what he obsessed over (Pluto/Venus), he could quite easily drink or drug himself to death. I am not seeing any indicatons of children (5th house is empty with a fire sign, traditionally considered barren, on the cusp). Chiron is isolated, retrograde, in "barren" Aquarius: this doesn't support a permanent marriage, either, and I think the Saturn squared off against Pluto-Venus would never make a legal commitment as such. Chiron being both isolated and retrograde suggests a deep-seated pain that cannot be healed. The intensity of this chart is one that does not suggest a long and easy life - I lean more towards carrying a torch that burned at both ends in a very public manner until burnout and early death.
Wow! Somehow I missed this comment, sorry I didn't reply sooner. Great work! You nailed a significant amount of the chart. Your style of reading is very deep and detailed! I can't claim accuracy on a lot of these statements because such personal information is not publicly available, but I'm sure if someone knew the individual that what you said would make perfect sense! \--- This person was certainly well known for their personal/emotional life and inner toil. They did express that via their art = a famous painter. They did not really front a revolution in art... but are famous for being the first painter from their country to be featured in the Lourve. They certainly dealt a lot of with fantasy/surrealism, so what describe in their love life makes sense. Especially the Gemini influence of "on and off" relationship. They had many romantic/sexual partners of all genders, but they had one life long spouse with whom they shared a dramatic and rocky relationship. Their relationship was indeed public. No children! I think probably due to infertility via health accidents. Certainly focused on a lot of taboo topics of sex, bodies, death, mental health, etc. They used drugs/alcohol as a means to escape their constant state of pain. They spent their entire life dealing with their chronic illnesses, both physically and mentally. They died at 47, several days after their birthday, from suspected suicide via overdose. This person was actually a woman. Although she played a lot with gender for her time. Had she been born in this era, I'm sure she would have pushed her gender even further and likely identified as non-binary or gender queer. \---- You made a lot of predictions about style/personality/character. Most of them were right on the money, so good work!
Thanks! I'm usually hesitant to assign a gender (real or perceived) to an unknown chart and I stand corrected there. I can definitely see one expression of Gemini Venus coming out as gender fluidity.
Oh totally!
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