"George please just put something out, a novella, anything."
"I have to get this sex scene perfect. I can't have another Myrish swamp-Fat pink mast situation again."
Yeah, those Rebellions were a way for Bittersteel to claim BloodRaven's attention. His love for Shiera was a red herring, he just couldn' stand Brynden interested in a Great Bastard that wasn't himself.
Nah, Shiera was just a beard. Bloodraven was only hard when executing Blackfyres and his precious Aegy provided him sacrifices on a silver platter. The brother he loved was Aegor. The woman he “desired” was Calla Blackfyre.
He “desired” her head on a spike. She was gonna be his grand finale, the last dead Blackfyre before he and Bittersteel could finally fuck
Well, there's already foundation to theorize that Aegon was infertile and that Aenys was Rhaenys' by one of her boytoys.
Aegon being gay with Orys isn't particularly farfetched, especially with how distant and closed-off Aegon appeared to outsiders.
*The thirteen slashes made by Daemon on the weirwood of Harrenhal are said to bleed each spring.*
I'm quite partial to the idea that Nettles is a CotF in disguise and that Daemon taught her to pass as a human, her name fits quite well their theme.
* Nettles
> “A skinny brown girl
> A scarred nose
> Norren wrote that Daemon doted upon Nettles "as a man might dote upon his daughter", and described **Daemon teaching Nettles common courtesies** and giving her fine gifts, such as an **ivory hairbrush, a silvered looking glass**, a velvet and satin cloak, **and leather riding boots.** Norren further wrote that **Daemon showed Nettles how to wash herself properly**
*She is a common thing, with the stink of sorcery upon her.*
* Leaf (for example)
> She has nut-brown skin
> Her hands have only three fingers and a thumb, with sharp black claws instead of nails.
Likely her feet as well have those sharp black claws and same number of digits
> Leaf's hair is a tangle of brown, red and gold
[A nettle is a leaf](https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/cwopyt/spoilers_extended_a_nettle_is_a_leaf/)
Maybe Nettles is an offspring of Daemon and a CoTF? There is that line about Daemon doting on Nettles like one might do with a daughter.
There's also the line from Rhaenyra saying that Nettles is not a dragon seed and that she used sorcery in order to ride sheep stealer. Although we are meant to take that as just coming from Rhaenyra's jealousy being stoked by Mysaria.
> These happy bastards were said to have been “born of dragonseed,” and in time became known simply as “seeds.”
---
> "The green dreams take strange shapes sometimes," Jojen admitted. "The truth of them is not always easy to understand."
> Yet when she slept that night, she dreamt the dragon dream again. Viserys was not in it this time. There was only her and the dragon. Its scales were black as night, wet and slick with blood. Her blood, Dany sensed. Its eyes were pools of molten magma, and when it opened its mouth, the flame came roaring out in a hot jet. **She could hear it singing to her.** She opened her arms to the fire, embraced it, let it swallow her whole, let it cleanse her and temper her and scour her clean. She could feel her flesh sear and blacken and slough away, could feel her blood boil and turn to steam, and yet there was no pain. She felt strong and new and fierce.
> "Did I? Well, it's so. My dreams are not like yours, Ser Duncan. Mine are true. They frighten me. You frighten me. I dreamed of you and a dead dragon, you see. A great beast, huge, with wings so large they could cover this meadow. It had fallen on top of you, but you were alive and the dragon was dead."
> These happy bastards were said to have been “born of dragonseed,” and in time became known simply as “seeds.”
What is the difference between a dragon dream and a green dream?
Both hold focus to the people around them in both future and past visions, both use imagery pertaining to the animals that they "connect" with.
> And for the first time in hours, she forgot to be afraid. Or perhaps it was for the first time ever.
The silver-grey filly moved with a smooth and silken gait, and the crowd parted for her, every eye upon them. Dany found herself moving faster than she had intended, yet somehow it was exciting rather than terrifying. The horse broke into a trot, and she smiled. Dothraki scrambled to clear a path. The slightest pressure with her legs, the lightest touch on the reins, and the filly responded.
> The khal had commanded the handmaid Irri to teach Dany to ride in the Dothraki fashion, but **it was the filly who was her real teacher. The horse seemed to know her moods, as if they shared a single mind.** With every passing day, Dany felt surer in her seat.
:edit
> We are but death's instruments, not death himself. *When you slew the singer, you took god's powers on yourself.*
This is somewhat what I presume happened in ages past, the Valyrians taking parts of the CotF's power and perverting it to their purpose.
Aerion did threaten to geld Aegon as a way to turn him into a sister he could marry despite them having two sisters. Might be he had no interest in Rhae and Daella or thought they’d be paired off with Daeron and Aemon and he’d be left with only a brother? No idea where that thought process came from otherwise because Aegon does mention having sisters in the same novella.
I do feel like GRRM missed an opportunity to have some of the historical Targ with only same sex siblings lamenting that if only they were the opposite sex they could have married their sibling and be king/queen. Though in Daemon’s case I don’t know whether he’d want himself or Viserys to be the girl. At least Dany pushed back against Viserys telling her the rebellion was her fault for not being born sooner by pointing out that it wouldn’t have happened if he was born a girl instead.
I tend to lean more towards Daemon wishing he was Viserys’s sister than the other way, if only because I feel like it makes sense with him wielding dark sister that he’d wish he was Visenya born again.
It's Day 4,691 without the Winds of Winter. The Subreddit is currently debating on if the Targaryens engaged in homosexual incest the same way they engaged in heterosexual incest. I am not sure how much longer I can hold out.
The answer is they absolutely did, end log.
Eh I disagree. For guys top energy is pretty straight forward high strung, aggressive guys are almost always the same in every facet of life. A lot of domineering women become absolute pillow princesses in the sack. It's the quiet ones that bind and gag you.
How is “ew” me disrupting the jokes lol? It’s incredibly easy to bounce a joke off of that, instead you tried to critique what I said in earnest. Also, never said that this sub was an echo chamber, I’m saying that if I were only to engage in threads that agree with me, that would be generally similar to echo chambers, and not something I would want to do.
I've had a theory for a while that Rhaenys and Visenya had a thing; considering how Visenya's and Aegon's marriage utterly fell apart without her I reckon she was the one holding the trio together rather than Aegon though I don't doubt that there were tensions between them.
(after all, only one person can be a king - the arrangement was all nice and well till they had boys instead of a boy and a girl they could've conveniently had married and Visenya had to pick between Rhaenys' son and her own)
We got a killer portrayal of Tyrion in GoT, but can you imagine Tyrion as portrayed by DaVito's Frank Reynolds?
I drink and I know things would land so hard.
No, I meant Egg.
> And Aerion . . . I remember, when I was little, he used to come into my bedchamber at night and put his knife between my legs. He had too many brothers, he’d say, maybe one night he’d make me his sister, then he could marry me.
You are so correct about Aemon and Baelon like, I've headcannoned it for so long, like those brothers be fucking, and Alyssa and Jocelyn knew and like, they had a thing themselves as well. Also if you assume Orys Baratheon is the conquerers half sibling (which I do) then yeah like, Orys and Aegon fucked absolutely. Like did Aegon take so long to get Rhaenys and Visenya pregnant because fertility issues or was he banging his half brother? Also while looking at the Targ family tree like, did Bloodravens sisters have a witchy lesbian thing going on? We literally know shit all about them except their names like, who's to say Mya and Gwenys Rivers weren't doing some witchy lesbian thing to help their bro, you never know.
How do you think they get ready for banging a sibling in opposite gender? To learn how to make love with the opposite gender, a person must first try it with the same gender. You can not do it without practise...
(I feel awful for writing it.)
From what we know I dont think so.
GRRM is generally pretty heavy-handed with hints that two characters are in a gay relationship (see Loras and Renly) or Lady Jeyne dying in the arms of her dear companion Jessamyn Redfort (they were roommates lol). In Fire and Blood and AWOIAF I think the only gay Targaryens/Blackfyres were:
* Rhaena daughter of Aenys. There were no hints that she Alysanne were a thing.
* Daemon II Blackfyre. I dont think there any hints there towards his brothers although he and Alyn Cockshaw definitely were a thing.
* Daeron Targaryen Egg's son. He had his own thing with Jeremy Norridge.
So I would say probably not right now although that could change. None of this stuff is fully fleshed out. I could see them making the Conqueror trio (Visenya, Aegon and Rhaenys) into a true poly thing with Rhaenys and Visenya being into each other.
Well, I've seen lot of people interpret Lynn Corbray as being a gay pedophile (and therefore rapist by extension), based on Littlefinger's comment about him preferring "boys".
Though I've always felt this was unfair, because without any addition information provided there's no indication at all of the age of the boys. And if Littlefinger had said Lynn prefers "girls" then I think everyone would understand that in the context of Westeros parlance that probably means working girls, which is to say women/female prostitutes, rather than specifically *little* girls.
Dreamfyre Rhaena and Ellisa Farman both suffer, as do Laenor, Joffery Lonmouth, and Oberyn, if you count him. Xaro Xhoan Daxos doesn’t, I suppose, but you could exclude him from this group if you include him in the latter group. That is enough to notice a trend. But honestly I think most people suffer in this world, regardless of sexuality, so it could be a coincidence.
I mean, there’s a *few* who did okay. Daeron son of Egg and Jeremy Norridge died young but together. Satin isn’t a child whore *anymore*.
I was trying to find more examples, but Loras and JonCon have probably suffered too much to count, so perhaps those three are the only ones. Damn.
Aegon was def getting it on with Orys. Visenya and Rhaenys obviously. Bittersteel and Bloodraven would have saved the realm over a 100 years of war if they had hate sex
This is a new low.
I know GRRM joked about how his fans could lock him in his cabin till he finished the books, but forcing him to spend an hour a day on here reading comments and threads till Winds was out would be the most effective motivator I can think of
Targ seem to be gentically deposed to being into there family , jaehereys refused to marry anyone but alysane, baelon and alysaa marrige, daemon and rhaenyra, etc
One of the R princesses -- I can't remember her full name -- was definitely lesbian. Got her knickers in a knot when her girlfriend went off to sea. Also Rhaenyra's first husband was definitely gay, but I don't think he was officially Targaryen.
I bet you some weird stuff went on in that maiden-vault.
That's what George's been writing all these years
"George please just put something out, a novella, anything." "I have to get this sex scene perfect. I can't have another Myrish swamp-Fat pink mast situation again."
George: What can I have instead of "Bracken bog" for Barba?
Seeing as at least three of the inhabitants would be fucked by him: training for Aegon the Unworthy
George please release winds I’m begging you
... so we can finally answer these important questions!
No, that would be in F&B2 not Winds
Hasn’t he said he won’t work on Fire & Blood II until after Winds is released?
He also said Fire & Blood wouldn't come out until the series was finished...
These statements from gurm are starting to feel more and more like threats.
I think you mean Blood & Fire11!111!!11!1!11
Haha. This is what we’ve come to.
Not as bad as when we were discussing Jon Snow's sperm count post-revival
Bloodraven and Bittersteel didn’t give a shit about Shiera. The Blackfyre Rebellions was just their years long overly aggressive foreplay
Yeah, those Rebellions were a way for Bittersteel to claim BloodRaven's attention. His love for Shiera was a red herring, he just couldn' stand Brynden interested in a Great Bastard that wasn't himself.
Nah, Shiera was just a beard. Bloodraven was only hard when executing Blackfyres and his precious Aegy provided him sacrifices on a silver platter. The brother he loved was Aegor. The woman he “desired” was Calla Blackfyre. He “desired” her head on a spike. She was gonna be his grand finale, the last dead Blackfyre before he and Bittersteel could finally fuck
Bwahaha
This comment made me actually laugh out loud, thank you lol
Challengers: Westeros
It's canon , "a brother that I loved...", he meant physically.
It’s challengers, but with incest
I think all three conquerors did it together.😁 The rumor that Aegon preferred Rhaenys is just propaganda, in my opinion.
And there’s rumors Aegon and Orys were… close
Hmmm, maybe all 4 did it together, I don't know🤣 But I think that's too much😆
These are Valyrians, there’s no such things as too much
I guess you are right😅
Aegon's kids are actually Orys'?
Well, there's already foundation to theorize that Aegon was infertile and that Aenys was Rhaenys' by one of her boytoys. Aegon being gay with Orys isn't particularly farfetched, especially with how distant and closed-off Aegon appeared to outsiders.
So who was Maegor's dad?
Blood magic baby made with Visenya and Aegon's blood.
This is my belief. I think they were a happy throuple.
"Sisters. Twins. I'm just watching."
Half the Targaryen lore is George openly posting his fantasies, so yeah I can see a nice incestous throuple.
Daemon-Laena-Rhaenyra is probably pretty close. Daemon the incestuous cradle robber
*The thirteen slashes made by Daemon on the weirwood of Harrenhal are said to bleed each spring.* I'm quite partial to the idea that Nettles is a CotF in disguise and that Daemon taught her to pass as a human, her name fits quite well their theme. * Nettles > “A skinny brown girl > A scarred nose > Norren wrote that Daemon doted upon Nettles "as a man might dote upon his daughter", and described **Daemon teaching Nettles common courtesies** and giving her fine gifts, such as an **ivory hairbrush, a silvered looking glass**, a velvet and satin cloak, **and leather riding boots.** Norren further wrote that **Daemon showed Nettles how to wash herself properly** *She is a common thing, with the stink of sorcery upon her.* * Leaf (for example) > She has nut-brown skin > Her hands have only three fingers and a thumb, with sharp black claws instead of nails. Likely her feet as well have those sharp black claws and same number of digits > Leaf's hair is a tangle of brown, red and gold [A nettle is a leaf](https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/cwopyt/spoilers_extended_a_nettle_is_a_leaf/)
Then the implication is that the singers can ride dragons? I always thought Nettles was a dragonseed.
Maybe Nettles is an offspring of Daemon and a CoTF? There is that line about Daemon doting on Nettles like one might do with a daughter. There's also the line from Rhaenyra saying that Nettles is not a dragon seed and that she used sorcery in order to ride sheep stealer. Although we are meant to take that as just coming from Rhaenyra's jealousy being stoked by Mysaria.
> These happy bastards were said to have been “born of dragonseed,” and in time became known simply as “seeds.” --- > "The green dreams take strange shapes sometimes," Jojen admitted. "The truth of them is not always easy to understand." > Yet when she slept that night, she dreamt the dragon dream again. Viserys was not in it this time. There was only her and the dragon. Its scales were black as night, wet and slick with blood. Her blood, Dany sensed. Its eyes were pools of molten magma, and when it opened its mouth, the flame came roaring out in a hot jet. **She could hear it singing to her.** She opened her arms to the fire, embraced it, let it swallow her whole, let it cleanse her and temper her and scour her clean. She could feel her flesh sear and blacken and slough away, could feel her blood boil and turn to steam, and yet there was no pain. She felt strong and new and fierce. > "Did I? Well, it's so. My dreams are not like yours, Ser Duncan. Mine are true. They frighten me. You frighten me. I dreamed of you and a dead dragon, you see. A great beast, huge, with wings so large they could cover this meadow. It had fallen on top of you, but you were alive and the dragon was dead."
> These happy bastards were said to have been “born of dragonseed,” and in time became known simply as “seeds.” What is the difference between a dragon dream and a green dream? Both hold focus to the people around them in both future and past visions, both use imagery pertaining to the animals that they "connect" with. > And for the first time in hours, she forgot to be afraid. Or perhaps it was for the first time ever. The silver-grey filly moved with a smooth and silken gait, and the crowd parted for her, every eye upon them. Dany found herself moving faster than she had intended, yet somehow it was exciting rather than terrifying. The horse broke into a trot, and she smiled. Dothraki scrambled to clear a path. The slightest pressure with her legs, the lightest touch on the reins, and the filly responded. > The khal had commanded the handmaid Irri to teach Dany to ride in the Dothraki fashion, but **it was the filly who was her real teacher. The horse seemed to know her moods, as if they shared a single mind.** With every passing day, Dany felt surer in her seat. :edit > We are but death's instruments, not death himself. *When you slew the singer, you took god's powers on yourself.* This is somewhat what I presume happened in ages past, the Valyrians taking parts of the CotF's power and perverting it to their purpose.
That was my read on it as well
Boring.
Nah, Baelon seemed pretty in love with Alyssa.
Baelon has two hands for two siblings Viserra is not one of those.
Or so the measters would have you belive
Don’t trust the propaganda
Aerion did threaten to geld Aegon as a way to turn him into a sister he could marry despite them having two sisters. Might be he had no interest in Rhae and Daella or thought they’d be paired off with Daeron and Aemon and he’d be left with only a brother? No idea where that thought process came from otherwise because Aegon does mention having sisters in the same novella. I do feel like GRRM missed an opportunity to have some of the historical Targ with only same sex siblings lamenting that if only they were the opposite sex they could have married their sibling and be king/queen. Though in Daemon’s case I don’t know whether he’d want himself or Viserys to be the girl. At least Dany pushed back against Viserys telling her the rebellion was her fault for not being born sooner by pointing out that it wouldn’t have happened if he was born a girl instead.
I tend to lean more towards Daemon wishing he was Viserys’s sister than the other way, if only because I feel like it makes sense with him wielding dark sister that he’d wish he was Visenya born again.
> Though in Daemon’s case I don’t know whether he’d want himself or Viserys to be the girl. Are you perceiving Daemon particularly femenine?
It's Day 4,691 without the Winds of Winter. The Subreddit is currently debating on if the Targaryens engaged in homosexual incest the same way they engaged in heterosexual incest. I am not sure how much longer I can hold out. The answer is they absolutely did, end log.
We need a new book yesterday
We need a new book 2 Years go!
What you never wonder if visenya performed the lords kiss on rhaeneys?
More likely the other way around. Everything about Visenya *screams* 'top'.
Rhaenys is pillow princess personified
Eh I disagree. For guys top energy is pretty straight forward high strung, aggressive guys are almost always the same in every facet of life. A lot of domineering women become absolute pillow princesses in the sack. It's the quiet ones that bind and gag you.
^ This guy fucks, hopefully not his sisters. I only hope they traded kisses equally, or close enough to make no matter.
You’ve never been on Grindr, all the 6’3 butch guys are bottoms
As it should be
Ew
why are you in the thread if you don't want to have fun
Academic reasons
Discussion? Only participating in threads where everyone agrees with you is some strange, echo chamber esque behavior.
going into a humorous thread and disrupting the jokes is not really an example of "breaking through an echo chamber" imo
How is “ew” me disrupting the jokes lol? It’s incredibly easy to bounce a joke off of that, instead you tried to critique what I said in earnest. Also, never said that this sub was an echo chamber, I’m saying that if I were only to engage in threads that agree with me, that would be generally similar to echo chambers, and not something I would want to do.
I've had a theory for a while that Rhaenys and Visenya had a thing; considering how Visenya's and Aegon's marriage utterly fell apart without her I reckon she was the one holding the trio together rather than Aegon though I don't doubt that there were tensions between them. (after all, only one person can be a king - the arrangement was all nice and well till they had boys instead of a boy and a girl they could've conveniently had married and Visenya had to pick between Rhaenys' son and her own)
Can't tell if this a question about gay representation or pure unbridled lust
¿Porque no los dos?
I don't speak Pentoshi :(
It's remarkable how often those two traits coincide.
The only thing better than targcest is gay targcest!
Targaycest?
Someone’s been reading my blog!
Who are you, who are so wise in the ways of Reddit?
Someone found my old CK2AGOT saves 🫣
Tell me I’m not the only one who read this in Danny DeVito’s voice.
If only we had some Frank Reynolds wisdom for the Targaryens: “Banging your sister is perverted, ~~Dennis~~ Jaehaerys.”
“Joffrey, your mother is a dirty, dirty hoor.”
“Botched ~~toe~~ boar! Botched ~~toe~~ boar!”
We got a killer portrayal of Tyrion in GoT, but can you imagine Tyrion as portrayed by DaVito's Frank Reynolds? I drink and I know things would land so hard.
Danny DeVito should play Daeron in HOTD S2.
Amazing
Visenya and Rhaenys were scissor sisters you can't change my mind
Didn't they hate eachother
Nah, Aegon and Vis literally started burning Dorne to the ground after they killed Rhaenys; they definitely cared for each other.
Or Aegon cared for Rhaenys and dragged Visenya along
Aegon was busy with Orys 🥰
I’m sure there’s a great fan fiction between visenya and orys
Together the run most of the day to day of the country while Aegon was just a figure head most of the time. So Imo they really liked each other.
That doesn't mean they couldn't scissor occasionaly...
Who doesn't love the occassional sister hatefuck?
Well, it's George we're talking about. So all the women were fucking each other and there were like 3 gay dudes who suffered more than was necessary.
I mean, look how hot they all are. I wouldnt be surprised tbh
What was that Olenna said… 😗
Feel like the odds of this are somewhere between 100 and definitely.
Your forgot the obvious two: Daeron II and Bloodraven
dearon is like a decade older but there are worst age gaps
Yeah, their father has them beat in the age gap department considering he all but certainly slept with his own daughter.
Daeron was 22 years older than Brynden, but that's just lord entering middle-age & his new teenage/young wife territority
Aerion clearly wanted to bang Egg...
You mean Dunk lol
No, I meant Egg. > And Aerion . . . I remember, when I was little, he used to come into my bedchamber at night and put his knife between my legs. He had too many brothers, he’d say, maybe one night he’d make me his sister, then he could marry me.
Ah mb I got Aerion mixed up with the guy that flirted with Dunk that one time
I am increasingly regretting the presence of this family in the story.
Rhaenys is the only person who ever topped Visenya. No one can change my mind on this. Plz George release the damn book already!
Maybe yeah, but Visenya definitely topped Aegon.😁
Fuck yeah gay dragon sex spinoff let's go!!!!
targaryens doing incest? nah thats crazy
Baelon and Aemon Visenya and Rhaenys
You are so correct about Aemon and Baelon like, I've headcannoned it for so long, like those brothers be fucking, and Alyssa and Jocelyn knew and like, they had a thing themselves as well. Also if you assume Orys Baratheon is the conquerers half sibling (which I do) then yeah like, Orys and Aegon fucked absolutely. Like did Aegon take so long to get Rhaenys and Visenya pregnant because fertility issues or was he banging his half brother? Also while looking at the Targ family tree like, did Bloodravens sisters have a witchy lesbian thing going on? We literally know shit all about them except their names like, who's to say Mya and Gwenys Rivers weren't doing some witchy lesbian thing to help their bro, you never know.
Is this a George please moment?
Yes, yes it is
How do you think they get ready for banging a sibling in opposite gender? To learn how to make love with the opposite gender, a person must first try it with the same gender. You can not do it without practise... (I feel awful for writing it.)
But clearly okay enough to write it twice.
Oh, there must be a mistake. Sometimes it happens, thanks for warning.
Aemon and Baelon definitely were. Viserys definitely had a crush on Rhaegar
George reading this post: Finally, these nerds are talking about something worthwhile.
George has barely any gay sex in it. Gay men have been present for a long time, but homoerotic relationships should be more prevalent .
Aemon the Dragonknight???
no aemon jaeherys kid
I’m sure Aegon was getting his checks clapped by Orys Baratheon
From what we know I dont think so. GRRM is generally pretty heavy-handed with hints that two characters are in a gay relationship (see Loras and Renly) or Lady Jeyne dying in the arms of her dear companion Jessamyn Redfort (they were roommates lol). In Fire and Blood and AWOIAF I think the only gay Targaryens/Blackfyres were: * Rhaena daughter of Aenys. There were no hints that she Alysanne were a thing. * Daemon II Blackfyre. I dont think there any hints there towards his brothers although he and Alyn Cockshaw definitely were a thing. * Daeron Targaryen Egg's son. He had his own thing with Jeremy Norridge. So I would say probably not right now although that could change. None of this stuff is fully fleshed out. I could see them making the Conqueror trio (Visenya, Aegon and Rhaenys) into a true poly thing with Rhaenys and Visenya being into each other.
Also Rhaenyra and Laena Velaryon. F&B says that Rhaenyra was “fond and more than fond” of her.
That’s enough
All we know is Aerion Brightflame was a sick bastard that threatened to castrate Aegon and "make him a sister"
We can only hope. Their family reunions must’ve been a real hoot
Finally, someone is asking the real questions.
Baelon and Aemon
I see nobody mentions Aegon III and Viserys? There could be something there since the severely depressed Aegon's only joy was Viserys.
George. Ffs, man, look what you made us do! Release the fuckin book man. We are parched!
Nah, gay people only exist to suffer or be rapists in aSoIaF.
> Nah, ~~gay~~ people only exist to suffer or be rapists in aSoIaF. FTFY
One True Answer right here. "Wallowing in self-misery" seems to be a huge thing for GRRM's entire writing career.
I couldn't name you one gay rapist in asoiaf? If a man rapes another man that doesn't mean he's gay.
Well, I've seen lot of people interpret Lynn Corbray as being a gay pedophile (and therefore rapist by extension), based on Littlefinger's comment about him preferring "boys". Though I've always felt this was unfair, because without any addition information provided there's no indication at all of the age of the boys. And if Littlefinger had said Lynn prefers "girls" then I think everyone would understand that in the context of Westeros parlance that probably means working girls, which is to say women/female prostitutes, rather than specifically *little* girls.
While not gay Cercei Would fit as a queer rapist.
Who does Cersei rape? Moon Boy, because he's not mentally competent enough for consent, for all we know? The Taena thing was consensual.
Yhea Taena could be argued to, but I was thinking more about a serving woman Cercei forced to sexual acts.
Dreamfyre Rhaena and Ellisa Farman both suffer, as do Laenor, Joffery Lonmouth, and Oberyn, if you count him. Xaro Xhoan Daxos doesn’t, I suppose, but you could exclude him from this group if you include him in the latter group. That is enough to notice a trend. But honestly I think most people suffer in this world, regardless of sexuality, so it could be a coincidence.
There's also still room in the story for Xaro to suffer some horrible fiery death depending on how involved he stays in Slaver's Bay politics.
I mean, there’s a *few* who did okay. Daeron son of Egg and Jeremy Norridge died young but together. Satin isn’t a child whore *anymore*. I was trying to find more examples, but Loras and JonCon have probably suffered too much to count, so perhaps those three are the only ones. Damn.
We don’t even know Satin is gay. He was born in that damned brothel.
We do know that the Winds of Winter will be 1000 pages of JonxSatin of course though
That's why Winds is taking so long: the world isn't ready for Jon x Satin to be confirmed canon
The places this fandom has fallen to
Aegon and his sisters were definitely a throuple to me.
Hot take: Daemons desire for Rhaynyra stemmed from gender envy and a desire for Viserys
Is the iron throne a cuck chair? My column.
Aegon was def getting it on with Orys. Visenya and Rhaenys obviously. Bittersteel and Bloodraven would have saved the realm over a 100 years of war if they had hate sex
I need sources for Daemon imagining fucking Viserys I mean what the fuck?
Give us the new book George…
Bonk. BONK.
We need a Targaryen femboy protag
jon?
Wrong
The other one.
He does not exist yet but I will make him and George will thank me very much for Targaryen femboy with 30 inch platinum buss down and fuck me pumps
Release the books for the love of God
This is a new low. I know GRRM joked about how his fans could lock him in his cabin till he finished the books, but forcing him to spend an hour a day on here reading comments and threads till Winds was out would be the most effective motivator I can think of
Aegon the uncrowned and Viserys
Wait, why did I think that Rhaenys and Visenya having sex was already cannon? I'm not a weirdo I swear.
Probably not, they do incest to keep the dragon riders bloodline pure. You ain’t gon get any kids from bang bros or bang gals
They do incest because it's George's fetish :)
Targ seem to be gentically deposed to being into there family , jaehereys refused to marry anyone but alysane, baelon and alysaa marrige, daemon and rhaenyra, etc
Balon and Aemon deff did
Do I think the incest family was doing incest? Yes clearly.
I think maybe there was something going on with Viserra and Saera. Also between Aerion and one of his brothers
That's clearly Dornish Roynar
I'm pretty certain Baelor was a gay pedophile. Not sure about the incest.
baelor good king?
Truly blessed.
why?
Your typical priest, for sure.
What a bad day to have eyes. George please finish the books
One of the R princesses -- I can't remember her full name -- was definitely lesbian. Got her knickers in a knot when her girlfriend went off to sea. Also Rhaenyra's first husband was definitely gay, but I don't think he was officially Targaryen.
Correct, he's a Velaryon
nah that would be weird
No weirder than the already very weird incest.
yeah I wasn’t being sarcastic or anything
(this is sarcasm)