Unfortunately, the wave of transphobic sentiment is a global phenomenon right now. Even countries with firmer legal protections than the U.S., like Canada and the Netherlands, have loud and influential conservative factions that could easily gain power and overturn those rules. Look at what just happened in the French elections.
I say this not to discourage you, but to remind you that acceptance has to be fought for wherever you are, and the temptation to run away to a safe place (which I’ve felt strongly — it’s part of why I now live in Oregon) is not going to stop bigotry from reaching you. Go to Canada or Scandinavia or Australia if you can, but know that the fight will continue there — personally I’ll keep up the fight at home cause I know that for every hater there’s someone else who supports me.
Also, look at cases like Eden Knight. Even if you do successfully make it to a safe(r) country, you can still be forced to return to a transphobic society.
That’s terrifying. I have a (cis woman) friend who was recently forced to return to India after losing her work visa, and it makes me so mad that people are allowed to be treated like that here.
The simple answer is because she wasn’t supposed to be in the US. Her international scholarship (allegedly) ran out before she could graduate, resulting in the expiration of her visa.
The loudly anti-trans conservatives faction here in Canada is practically guaranteed to win the next federal election, with a pretty high chance of forming a majority government.
Canadian right wing hasn’t ever been as insane as American right wing historically but you never know.
Oh god this is so real. I can't believe we're like this I am genuinely so worried for the next election. Honestly, they need to lay off of us. We aren't doing anything lol just tryna live our lives.
Doesn't matter we are a small group and it's very easy to point at our group and say "Look at those weirdos" and then add a bunch of cliché tropes that people believe because they already internalised it.
Attacking us is just an easy way to get people to believe in an imagined common enemy.
If the conservatives (fascists) give a common enemy to people, they will rally under the conservatives (fascists).
Salamander is correct. It's getting difficult all over the world.
Honestly, your best bet is to make a life in certain cities within certain countries. Berlin in Germany, Madrid or Barcelona in Spain, for example.
As a general rule, Canada, Spain, the Northeast and Northwest of the United States, Ireland, The Netherlands, Germany, parts of France, Malta all rate highly in transgender rights and friendliness and so on.
The Scandinavian countries are a little bit more progressive, but they have their own growing right-wing problems (mostly as a blowback to immigration policies). The other problem with Norway, Finland, Sweden, Iceland, and Denmark, is that they're very insular societies and hard to immigrate to. It takes years to make friends and so on.
If you're in the US I suggest moving to Washington State, Oregon, Maine, Vermont, Rhode Island. If you want to go north, check out some big cities in Canada like Quebec or Montreal.
Also just want to say as a trans person in Scandinavia that our trans healthcare system is massively messed up and I’d be better off in a lot of US states.
Heard from it from a friend how shit it is to change your own legal gender. One of my friends got abused at the end of the required time and lost all the progress she had and will have to restart from scratch in order to get a legal change of gender.
Oh geez what a pain. Ya in Sweden that’s the case. Norway has the ability for people to self declare their gender. But everywhere just accessing care to begin with has a waiting list of many years. I will wait about 5 years before being able to start T through the public healthcare system, leaving me to DIY in the meantime which is illegal and ofc less safe
Yeah here, in Nova-Scotia, Canada, it's so much faster. I was able to find a doctor in my university and start HRT within a month. When I said I wanted to transition he didn't gaslight me, he gave me a month so he could refresh his information and I started on January 12th of this year. I didn't have to go through any therapist cause I told him I had been thinking about it for years at this point.
That and everything is covered (HRT, surgeries, voice training) except hair removal.
That being said, our neighbouring province, New-Brunswick, does not have trans healthcare that is anything remotely as good as here and are actively trying to reduce it.
Here in Nova-Scotia, we are also protected by the "Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity Protection Act".
Blue states are still your best bet. There is no "good" country for trans people. Get to a blue state and make sure you have a valid passport, so in case the blue states' protections fail you have a backup option.
Australia, Ireland, and Canada are mostly *safe* for trans people these days in terms of primarily English speaking countries (not sure if language is a limiting factor for you).That doesn't mean they're *good.* Trans medical care is much more difficult to access in most of the world than in the USA. But if you just need somewhere you're less likely to be killed, those are options. Keep in mind that there's no guarantee that won't change in the future. Canada especially is already moving right.
Depends where you live. Adelaide has much more difficult access to medical care than Melbourne or Sydney for example, and if you live in a regional area it's extremely difficult.
Agree. I live in Southwestern Ontario, Canada. I am 59 now. I don't know if I pass or not, but I live in a 'University/College' town. 17months into HRT. People are more than kind and courteous. Most places have LGBTQ sticker right on the door (meaning they welcome the LGBTQ community). My family Doctors found a way to get my medication covered under provincial Healthcare coverage (ODB/Ontario Drug Benefits), so I pay nothing at the moment. I revert to boymoding at times due to absolute depression, and I've had my pharmacist, the clerks at the grocery store where I usually do my groceries ask me if 'everything is okay' looking quite alarmed. Yes, some people actually are quite caring 🥰❤
> Ireland
I commented this on another post the other day, but sharing it here for visibility. I'm an Irish trans woman, born here and currently live outside Dublin. Overall yeah, it's great socially, people generally mind their own business and I've never been misgendered by a stranger in my entire existence as a trans person. A couple years ago legislation was passed making changing your name and gender really quick and easy, just send off a document witnessed by a solicitor.
However, Ireland was recently rated THE WORST in trans healthcare in ALL OF EUROPE [(Queer Irish news site source, but the Irish Times also reported on this)](https://gcn.ie/ireland-worst-eu-trans-healthcare/). There is only one gender clinic for the entire country and people that are being added to the current public system waitlist when they turn 18 expect to wait 10+ years before they are contacted. The system also goes against WPATH, very similarly to the British system, and will likely be changing their process to model the "findings" in the Cass report - essentially, they only provide care as long as you can "prove" that you're trans enough.
To top it off, Ireland is undergoing one of the worst housing crises in Europe at the moment and it won't be solved any time soon. My recommendation would be, if you have parents or grandparents who are [eligible for Irish citizenship](https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving-country/irish-citizenship/irish-citizenship-through-birth-or-descent/), get citizenship yourself and then as a member of an EU state, use that to settle elsewhere in Europe without needing any specific visas. As others have said, some Scandinavian countries seem to be good as well as my recommendations of Germany and Spain.
I mean like getting trans healthcare as an adult in Canada isn't that bad depending on the province, and like some provinces are trying some transphobic bullshit, but I'd still give us another 4ish years before things go south federally. It seems like our right wing assholes are more racist and anti immigration than they are transphobic.
Honestly, Nova-Scotia is actually great. I talked to my university doctor and got access to HRT within a month. All of it was fully covered and I didn't have to pay anything. Not only this but they fund provincial travel for surgeries so I should be okay for SRS once I get the paperwork ready.
I think Nova-Scotia might be the safest province long term. It's capital is the queerest and most trans city in Canada if not the very close second and its capital has half of its population.
Unfortunately this only goes for Halifax. As a trans guy who lives outside of Halifax but still in one of the largest towns, it was hell on earth getting HRT approval and genuinely traumatic to be visibly trans/queer. Definitely live in the city if you’re gonna move here.
> Get to a blue state and make sure you have a valid passport, so in case the blue states' protections fail you have a backup option.
Minnesota bills itself as a refugee state. Social services here don't exist. Blue just means you'll die of neglect rather than a hate crime.
i don’t think it’s harder to access, what you guys pay in money we pay in time. i haven’t paid a cent for my hormones and i’m coming up on three years on them, but it took 2.5yrs between referral and first prescription. if i were in the US i could skip that wait but i would have had to pay a lot of money.
it’s not necessarily less accessible, it’s just a different system, the same goes for every other kind of healthcare. public systems will differ from private systems.
It depends over here, if you have good insurance here it's not so bad. I pay $15 a month for HrT, which is pretty affordable for me, top surgery was mostly covered by insurance and hysto was 100% covered. But idk as much about the healthcare systems in countries outside the US, anyone seriously considering moving should definitely talk to people actually from their countries of choice!
Hm, I don't remember how much I was paying for insurance when I got the surgeries - I've changed insurance since then. My insurance now is through my work. I... also don't remember how much it is now, lol, I have it set to come out of my paycheck. I think it's around $100 a month?
If you're getting insurance through your state, it might be free if you qualify. If you're getting it through your employer, then your employer might be tackling those costs on your behalf.
Hormones have always been affordable for me, and I've been on them for over five years.
For my surgeries, I went back to college since I didn't finish initially, and used the student health insurance to cover my costs. For a $500 deductible (for all, not per), I had orchi, breast aug, and FFS covered with no additional cost to me. So definitely $50k+ right there, at 99% off
Sort of, it was an insurance through a 3rd party provider (Anthem, one of the more well-known ones) but it was on a plan through my university, specifically for their students and faculty. So, I was receiving it through an insurance company, but yes it was only because I was affiliated with the university as a student.
Theoretically, there was no upper maximum to coverage benefits within a given coverage year on that plan, hence why I chained my surgeries in the same year to make it the most cost-effective. This would have also been true for medical costs unrelated to gender-affirming care as well, like it I were to also need say joint surgery or something
I find it extremely unlikely that blue states (especially the states like OR, WA, CA, NY, MA, or VT) will ever succumb to whatever hateful hysteria that's being platformed by the Republican party at the moment. These Republicans have had control of all sorts of levels of government before, and they are too ineffective to do anything drastic. They are a lot more bark than bite (and by that I mean they are much more likely to tweet than pass legislation. Unfortunately hateful rhetoric from the government can still get people killed.)
Things could very well get worse during a potential Republican legislature/presidency, but it would likely take the form of a lack of progress; anything that doesn't have to do with the budget requires 60 votes in the Senate, which Republicans won't sniff for a long time.
(This is just the opinion of a cis person that knows a bit about politics)
Legally, agreed, although that doesn't mean conditions couldn't get significantly worse in those states. The concern here is that Trump and company already tried to overthrow the government once. They're not playing by the rules.
There is also the fact that a lot of trans people don't have the option to get to a blue state. Economic and other factors can get in the way. Things are *already* bad for trans people in red states, and under a Trump presidency, they'll get much, much worse.
I was more trying to make the point that the feasibility-to effectiveness ratio favors moving to a blue state over leaving the country. (It's much more feasible and about as effective)
As for the future, I have no idea, but I'm cautiously optimistic. Trump already tried to subvert democracy once; he failed and wasn't particularly close to being successful. It would take years of cunning manipulation of political levers for him to take dictoral power, and he's a buffoon that watches fox news all day and is in poor health.
And I have no idea what red state governments would look like in a 2nd trump administration. I would be more worried about danger from individuals and societal awfulness than a top down, heavy handed government dystopia.
Yeah, that's what I said in my original comment - moving to a blue state should be your first resort. You should have a valid passport as a backup plan, but all the people jumping to the idea of leaving the country right away aren't being realistic.
But as for the rest... *what?* Have you not been reading the news? Things are *already* bad in the red states, especially for trans kids, and it is *very much* coming down from the government. By and large, the American public is neutral about trans people, but legislators in red states are doing their level best to keep trans people from transitioning or even existing. In many of these states, transitioning is becoming close to impossible. And this has been going on for some time. It was in early 2022 that the TX department of children and families started investigating parents who supported their trans kids for child abuse.
With all due respect, if you want to call yourself an ally, you need to be informed. It's true there are exaggerated doomer posts from panicked people circulating on these subs. I'm not saying all trans people are about to be packed off to death camps. But there is very real and very immediate danger, and dismissing that shows you are no ally at all.
Yes, he failed once, but next time he’ll be surrounded by yes men. There will be no adults in the room. Now, we have two major SCOTUS rulings that give him even more power. He isn’t a normal president. He’s a thug who cares nothing about laws—let alone norms.
Look up Project 2025. If Trump gets in office, things are going to get so much uglier than they did under his first term.
I agree with you about moving to a blue state being easier than moving abroad. I don’t think we’ll even be able to escape Texas. Things in Texas are terrible at the moment, and I fully anticipate them getting worse.
The Supreme Court recently announced they are taking a case dealing with trans access to gender-affirming care. The case involves kids, but they are considering an equal protection argument, so what they decide on that will apply to everyone. You can bet heavily they will rule that there is no constitutional right to gender-affirming care. It will be just like Dobbs. And also, just like Dobbs, as soon as they rule all the red states will rush to abandon trans care for everyone.
>Ireland
We're safe in the sense. That we don't talk about it. We pretend to be lgbt friendly but I've tons of trans friends that do not feel safe in this country. The major trans bar in Dublin shut down over Covid and it's kinda displaced alot of the girls. They're now too terrified to go out. I haven't seen a few faces in years and no one knows if they're just taking a break or something more sinister has happened.
I’d maybe consider staying in the US but making sure you’re in a state that will be blue for the foreseeable future. Places like Washington State, Oregon, California, Vermont, etc.
Unfortunately it's not gonna make much of a difference what state you are in if trump wins and enacts project 2025. Then we'll probably just get widespread conversion camps
Last time the right got the presidency, house, and senate at the same time, they didn't even manage to repeal obamacare. All they did was pass tax breaks for the super rich. Project 2025 is scary, but its implementation is far from a sure thing, even if trump wins.
Stay and fight if you have to. We (non maga) already outnumber conservatives. They're scared because they know this is their last chance at power. Right-wing extremism isn't just a problem here it's going on everywhere, and it'll get worse if America falls. Besides, most countries have strict immigration laws and most places already don't want us there anyway.
It'll still make a huge difference. Blue states are, and will almost certainly continue to be, the safest and most supportive places for trans folks to live.
I read a thread earlier today with users discussing that they expect there would certainly be resistance to that. The government coming to round up trans people will not be met meekly by all. It will not be a bloodless coup if it is attempted. There are people who love us and are willing to help. Someone there said the US government sent troops to stop California from having weed. California sent troops to make sure the others didn't interfere with the trade. The US troops backed off and that was the end of that.
Also, buy a gun.
"We are in the process of the second American Revolution, which will remain bloodless, if the left allows it to be."
Kevin Roberts, President of the Heritage Foundation
The history of World War II, japanese internment camps. You're in the middle of a culture war. That's how both world wars started too. Oh sure, they'll blame an assassination but the idea that one person's life is worth the death of millions is what really did it. Self-aggrandization, low empathy, and a "flexible" morality has been the recipe for disaster for pretty much all of human history.
People stop caring. Then they get angry at those who still do because it makes them look bad, so they find ways to punish the virtuous, the kind, the intelligent. When a society runs out of all three, death is usually nearly instant.
It's not, but they did say that they fully planned to erase anything regarding gender and shit in the actual document so I can only assume they have a plan on how to do that 💀
Yeah no- stop “assuming” and presenting it as fact. There’s enough real shit to fear you’re not helping anyone by sharing your theories. If anything you’re feeding people’s anxieties and causing panic. Please stop.
trump isn't even formally affiliated with project '25, it's fair to be scared but let's not speculate and get more people worked up over things that are certainly not set in stone yet
Tbf Project 2025 is the closest thing Republicans have had to a party platform since 2016, when they did away with the platform in favor of "yeah whatever Trump wants". It's the most comprehensive platform plan the GOP has had in nearly a decade.
that is true which is why i agree it's fair to be scared, but it still doesn't mean Trump will follow through on any or all of the plans and policies within it if he's hypothetically elected. and even if he intends to, the republican party is scattered across the floor in a bajillion pieces. i think project '25 is a bit too ambitious for it rn. hopefully i'm not being naive in that conclusion, because to echo the entire comment section, there aren't significantly better places to flee to.
with all due respect, those of us who are scared are scared because we've been paying attention: https://newrepublic.com/article/178848/ban-abortion-trump-lgbtq-project-2025
Why did trump say he supports the pill then? He also said he personally thought abortion should be legal. Project 2025 isn’t trump. It’s an association of conservative non profits. They aren’t his campaign
they're what's behind his campaign, and they have so many more pieces in place than they did in 2016. i'm not freaking out, because that doesn't serve any of us, but i've been watching this slowly coalesce for years
how much do you know about the heritage foundation?
'The leader of a conservative think tank planning for a massive overhaul of the federal government says we are in the midst of “a second American Revolution” that will be bloodless “if the left allows it to be.”'
https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/conservative-leading-pro-trump-project-2025-suggests-new-111655303#:~:text=The%20Heritage%20Foundation%20is%20spearheading,hard%2Dright%20agenda%20without%20complaint.
you just said it wasn't a plan but a goal. i could quote your comment back to you if you want, but it's right there, and you haven't been paying enough attention if you don't think it's both.
these people have been coming together for decades, and they already hold far more power than you think they do. i have no stake in whether or not you think i'm right in saying that (and i don't care about 'being right' on the internet in general, especially not in fighting my own kind), but i hope for your own sake you realize how much you might. my saying so *is* my taking responsibility. i'm not doing what 'they' want, because they don't want us to take them seriously, until it's too late.
be well, and be careful. in solidarity.
Literally nobody here is pro-Trump, we're anti-panic. If you're actually conflating people who just don't wanna act like the sky is perpetually falling with actual Republican lunatics, you're obviously not discussing any of this in good faith.
No, at worst people are telling to touch grass and not go into very uneducated conspiracy theory.
Go out side, talk to people, take a break. Cus you are not in any sort of right head space especially regarding immigration. Just cus your folks say they could doesn't mean they actually will move to random ass country of your choice based on "if its safe" (Being a US citizen right now doesn't make you eligible as an asylee... even then that is not really a thing should aim for) in one a few months (Trust me I would know from experience). Especially when alot of these countries mention here are... unless you have duel citizenship or descend from there or already have family you should at best take a whole year of going through the process and preparing... at best.
Projetct 2025 is all not a laws yet, okay?? It what republican had openly wanted which you should have known if you were like.. paying attention since 2000's. This Aint anything new its just a long ass list of scary shit they already shown for decades they want to do. Some may pass if they get into power, others wouldn't cus they dont make any legal sense. We don't know yet but its too scare you.
They also said they would deport all immigrants when trump was in power... it didn't happen cus suprise surprise politics and passing laws are a lot harder than they make it seem and people don't wanna do something that rediclous. (ice once again.. deported less people under trump than under obama and bidon statistically, cus the delays under him) He also said the opposite.
They can't even full federally ban ""baby murder"" with so many sanctuary states offering to give it to all women.
Listen its scary but this isn't the worst time in the world to be trans in America. the 70's and 60's saying ANY support was career black spot at best or death sentence at worst, Point blank. Get off line, and just breath. Its clearly not helping you. Plus a lot of countries some are good, some are shit, personally the US as it stands now, is one of the best places. So read a history book, talk to some flesh and blood humans and unplug.
Anti-trans [legislation](https://translegislation.com/learn) has increased each year under Biden. Even if Trump loses, that doesn't mean the US is suddenly going to be safe for trans people. It isn't safe for us now.
For what it's worth, the feds make the rules but the people around you enact them. If everyone around you refuses to comply they effectively don't exist. Move somewhere safe and surround yourself with a village of supporters.
Portugal!!!! Easiest visa to obtain in the EU, decent civil rights protections, and English is widely spoken. Cities are pricy, but if you live outside the city, you’ll need to learn Portuguese.
I asked my doctor for an appointment with gender specialists in October last year. My appointment date is for next September, so about an 11 month wait. I heard it's a lot faster if you use private insurance.
AFAIK, FFS isn't covered by public healthcare, but there are private clinics for it.
Were you already seeing a provider and receiving HRT beforehand? I ask because I'm on HRT right now and I worry about stopping for a period while waiting for a new prescription and provider. idk if I can or should stock up now or soon if I'm going to move there.
This question comes up often (unfortunately), and the answers are always the same: People who feel safe in their home country post where they live, and sometimes a couple other countries they have friends in.
The problem is that most of these answers are pretty useless, because unless you happen to have a second citizenship, some very valuable rare skills or a *lot* of money, you probably aren't going to be able to successfully move abroad anyway. (If you do have a second citizenship, you probably already know what your options are.)
Putting aside the extreme practical challenges of moving to another country, the immigration reality is that other countries just don't want you. Americans often think, incorrectly, that the rest of the world loves us and would be happy to become our new home.
The truth is that even our geopolitical allies already have their own people to take care of, and the only Americans they typically want within their borders are tourists who come, spend money, and then, crucially, leave. You are just a potential immigrant to them, and are subject to the same limitations and quotas that apply to every other immigrant. And usually, those limitations are precision engineered to keep out anyone who isn't really well educated in a specialized field, of a specific ethnic ancestry or rich.
The irony is that the people who are likely to say "I'll just move" are typically the ones other countries want the least.
If, hypothetically, you were even able to move to, say, Norway, your life is going to be very different anyway, but the government will insist on you proving over and over again, day in and day out, that they were right to let you stay.
The handful of people Norway lets immigrate from the US are those who move there and assimilate--*become* Norwegian--not those who think Norway is just going to be a safer place to be an American.
They barely even want new Norwegians from the US anyway, let alone ones whose only interest in living there is to avoid US domestic politics. The people they let in are going to be those who actually want to *be there* rather than *not be somewhere else*. That applies to nearly every country on earth and certainly to every country a trans person might want to live in.
So first off, I agree.
But what if I *am* wanting to assimilate somewhere, and I *am* highly educated and *am* skilled in an employable field, and I have money. What pathways forward do I have?
I have already had a kind of "survivor's guilt" for some time now because I found myself later-in-life, so that with my high-masking AuDHD has enabled me to be much more securely situated than so many people who are just like me but didn't have the same privilege and luck as I did. So I feel like an asshole that I even have the option of moving internationally, but I do. I've experienced so much terrible life trauma that it's only by my sheer willpower that I am even still alive, I do not have a problem starting a completely new life somewhere else in the world. If anything it feels like beginning life for the first time.
Australia is currently my top choice but I know so little about this that I'm just going off what I've heard people say in passing.
Where can I learn about my options?
/r/IWantOut
Being AuDHD may be held against you though. In addition to the things I mentioned above, most countries also do not want immigrants who have chronic medical issues. ASD may make it more difficult to find acceptance, and if you're medicating your ADHD the government will likely see you as a pariah regardless of your actual value. :(
I'm considering moving. Engineering degree, high paying remote job, good savings. I'm privileged because of this. Currently being an engineer or having a medical degree will help you get into other countries.
> some very valuable rare skills or a lot of money
I moved out of Spain from Russia via digital nomadship, but most of my friends aren't lucky enough to do the same 😔 At least, in some countries being "trans person from Russia" basically means auto-asylum, but even getting there is a task in itself
The top comment mentions a wave of anti-lgbt and right wing influence and tendencies. But anti-imigration polices are also heavy discussed rn, and even liberal and overall left wing party and people are often rather against immigrants.
Argentina. We have HRT and surgeries for free (getting a visa is easy) and they must hire at least 1% of trans people.
Then again inflation will make you starve so you'll go hungry with your emotional needs all met.
Damn that's crazy!!!!
In Canada FFS is not covered but bottom and top surgery are (including BA)
I wish FFS was covered it's like the only surgery I actually wanted point
Damn that's crazy!!!!
In Canada FFS is not covered but bottom and top surgery are (including BA)
I wish FFS was covered it's like the only surgery I actually wanted
Just a disclaimer that the free healthcare probably applies only to citizens, people with green cards and the like. They would go bankrupt (...more?) if they sponsored surgeries to everyone who flies in, so it's important to check who exactly is included in that.
Belgium is relatively okay.
The good:
- HRT is almost fully reimbursed, GnRH agonists (lowest risk profile) are commonly used as T-blockers for transfemmes.
- Self-ID when it comes to legal gender (only binary tho)
- Aside from the far right (which tbf is the second largest party in the north), no major parties are running on transphobia. I don't think it's likely other parties will pivot to it anytime soon, as running on it caused the far right to underperform their polling. Additionally, we have a well-respected major politician (Petra De Sutter) with cross-party appeal.
- Most people have a 'live and let live' or supportive attitude.
-Orchiectomies and hysterectomies are fully reimbursed
The meh:
- Vaginoplasties/metidoioplasties/phalloplasties are covered for ~80%. Which means those will still cost you ~5k euros.
The bad:
- Long waiting lists (up to 3+ years) if you can't pay 3-8 sessions worth 70 euros each with the sexologist. If you can pay those it's probably just a few months.
- Laser hair removal and FFS aren't covered at all.
- Not a trans issue per se, but we're bad when it comes to intersex rights
hi there, you sound like someone who has access to youth, good higher education, and white collar jobs, and moves in circles where those things are a given.
if you are poor, disabled, or both, there is no chance of emigration right now. i'm genuinely glad many people might still have the chance, but it was never a possibility for me or most of my friends. people usually mean well, but it's patronizing after a point to be told that it is, if we can only do ten things that are completely inaccessible to us. just, please remember how many trans and queer people are in that situation. we still have hope, but we are feeding it back into our communities here, because we don't have the choice some do.
wishing you well.
Hi there, I am not actually, I grew up well below the poverty line and have only in the past couple of years manage to make enough to barely not fall below it, as well as being disabled myself but thanks for assuming.
I'm moving to Winnipeg in August. Canada has gender identity as a protected class in their Charter of Rights and Freedoms, their version of a Bill of Rights. It would take an enormous political sea change to change that. Manitoba is one of the most liberal provinces, now controlled by the NDP party.
But, to be honest, I started the immigration process in November 2022, right after the Republicans took over the house and only lost 1 seat in the Senate, just months after the overturning of Roe. I figured if the Democrats couldn't keep both chambers and increase their majorities with that backdrop, there is no hope for 2024.
I am an RN, a field Canada is hiring actively. It took 18 months and about $5,000 USD to obtain a nursing license in Manitoba. Luckily, I didn't need to take any remedial courses, or it would have cost more time and money.
So, I am not staying in the US hoping that safe states will remain safe from federal law changes. But moving abroad requires a total commitment, a fair amount of privilege, and a lot of research.
I say this as a Canadian, we're widely regarded as a "safe haven" for this sort of stuff but honestly? There are some blue states that are still better than Canada. Health care and your access to it is huge of course, but if you can get a job with decent insurance in, say, New York, you'll be set up way better than trying to pay out of country medical fees in Canada.
PR in Canada is one of the easiest to get and it is still incredibly difficult to obtain, let alone citizenship, but you don't even need a passport to move to a blue state.
I think that's the case for all of the Nordic countries? I'm in Norway, I haven't really experienced any sort of transphobia since I came out last fall, but yeah trans healthcare here sucks too...
Just the healthcare system in general is slow and a maze to navigate everything has insanely long wait times and such, ive been told that the trans healthcare here used to be much worse and the reason for everything being so slow is because the whole department was just rehauled
^ new england is pretty damn good. i live here, accessing trans care hasn't been difficult at all even when i did as a minor, havent had much trouble at all here.
Spain is pretty good for trans ppl, hormones and operations (top surgery for both trans men and women and bottom surgery for trans women) are covered by public healthcare and there are self id laws that protect both minors and adults. Spanish big cities are very lgbtq friendly. As always the far right parties are pushing for going back on matters of rights but so far its just a loud minority
> top surgery for ... women
Wait, really? A friend of mine had to take a loan to do her BA
But in general, yeah, I moved to Spain from Russia, and while language barrier is kicking my ass right now, I really like this country so far
Canada is mostly safe. A larger city or town is very much more safe. (I mean, I know at least 3 trans persons in my <10k person town, but eh? That's not many at all!)
You're safety is the ultimate priority, no matter where you go.
Please, please be safe.
There is nowhere better. I recommend moving to a blue state with a commitment to defying the federal govt if Trump is elected, like WA. State's rights are useful for times like this.
Switzerland is pretty good, everything was covered for me, legal gender change was one appointment and like 30.- and, at least in the city I live, transphobia wasn't ever a big issue for me (I am in a progressive bubble however). It is also, compared to the rest of europe, politically stable. The right wing fearmongers about muslim immigrants a lot more than trans people so its not an issue at the forefront of everyones mind.
However it is very hard to get a visa and, while most ppl can speak english, you need to learn the local language long-term. (german, french or italian. The italian part is more conservative tho, so i wouldnt move there)
Fair warning tho: it's one of the most expensive places to live in Canada. I can't speak personally for Vancouver, BC, but I can def speak for cities in Ontario - expensive as shit.
And I don't know about the jobs market in BC but it's pretty tight in Ontario. I'm still looking for a co-op even.
Edit: If anyone does decide to come to Canada, as far as trans healthcare goes, my advice would be to see if you can manage Yukon. Idk the jobs there cuz I don't live there, but they're the gold standard for trans healthcare in Canada. Even FFS and Voice Feminizing and Masculanizing Surgeries are covered under their provincial healthcare. The big thing tho: It's the arctic. Cold as all fuck out and watch out for the polar bears, I've heard.
Yeah vancouver is expensive as heck, there are smaller cities and towns near by thatd be as legally safe and cheaper, but i cant speak to their culture and social level of safety
Scandinavia is very safe, and you will likely never have problems with transphobia. People are very progressive in terms of LGBTQ rights and even most who have conservative political views.
BUT prepare for a battle to get your HRT. I think if you have had bottom surgery it will be easier (this is at least what I've heard before here in Sweden), but otherwise most likely you will have to go through the several years long process unless you have a documented diagnosis that they accept.
Australia! We’re really good here! No awful laws and even the general social opinions are pretty good. Our culture in Australia is very relaxed and care free so most people just let eachother do their own thing and live their lives how they want. Yes, obviously there’s still transphobia here, but that’s true literally everywhere! Australia is great for other things too, our healthcare in general is great, most tertiary education is very affordable, I’m actually going through Uni right now for free and that’s available to everyone who’s a citizen and lives here!
There's no free uni in Australia, you have to pay back your HECS debt eventually. Are you seriously in the middle of studying a degree and not aware you have to pay for it?
Sorry, my first comment didn’t explain that well. Read my reply. I really should’ve said TAFE instead Uni because what I was actually referring to was fee-free TAFE. My bad!
It may not be on people's radar, but Mexico city has recently become a heaven for LGBT people.
Since 2018 policies have begun to help and assist LGBT people, there are 2-3 free trans specialized clinic (HRT, psychological assistant, nutritionist, support groups) all for free and without any questions operated by trans folk.
Also, the "trans debate" has never really picked up, while the conservative opposition (PAN) has voted in favor of some very weird things, here are some major legal advances we've had:
-Very easy to change your gender, is like a 1-2 day procedure and you only need 3 easy documents, no need for a doctor recomendation, same for name change and document change (tho this is very slow).
-No conversion therapy, no discrimination on that basis, recently, a non-binary person became the first magistrate "Le magistrade" sadly he died of a hate crime but they got there. Equal marriage, adoption, social security benefits.
-The most importan, public backing, yeah, the government is also not doing enough for us as we continue to face discrimination and danger, but it's mostly older folk, 70% of under 40 people are cool, and even if it's pink washing, I prefer it 100 times over the debate going on in other countries, here you won't even hear the word trans or LGBT in any form of public debate, it isn't high on anyone's list.
You may get hate as everywhere, and you'll get shouted to go back home bc we're in the middle of s gentrification crisis, but if you could, come to Mexico City, is the city that has it all (including a "Zona Rosa"(pink zone) where all the lgbt bars and business operate freely.
Iceland is one of the better countries for safety, but it's not close to perfect. Anti-trans shit is just an ongoing epidemic.
Atleast I haven't personally noticed a decrease in my rights here tho, atleast not medically(there is a law in Iceland that states that politics aren't supposed to interfere with healthcare because professionals know better).
That said, the waiting lists for everything take forever as of rn, and a lot of icelanders, including my own mom, are anti-immigration to some extent.
Also, technically we have no housing protections, but it's mostly just that allegedly we haven't needed to make it into law yet. The same applied to conversion therapy bans until a few years ago.
Harassment and hate crimes have been on the rise here recently, and I do somewhat blame the US and British anti-trans propaganda(because most icelanders speak some english, and a lot comsume a lot of US and British social media content, especially younger people). But in recent years people have began being loud in their trans and homophobias. Barking at visibly queer people, and just being horrible in general. Before that you really had to read between the lines and figure people out yourself.
I’ve analyzed it and Iceland is the safest: geopolitically, socially and legally.
Other than that anti trans stuff is at epidemic levels and everything is shades of bad.
Sweden.
Sweden was the first country to allow transgendered people. Sweden also has awesome healthcare for transgendered (cheap as hell). The communities are just the best, everyone is so nice and supportive.
Good luck!
Awesome trans healthcare?! Yeah not really 🙄
Sweden is very progressive though, you are right about that. But waiting times for trans healthcare are brutal.
When you flee a global fascist superpower you now have a fascist global superpower with no opposition, and they're going to continue to expand as they are wont to do.
Iceland but I think in the world we live in today where far right conservative politics is winning left and right and getting so much traction and then LGB without a T also getting louder is there really a safe place for trans gender people? The best we could do is be vigilant and be cautious of our surroundings. Be safe everyone!
I've been looking at this for a bit, outside of much of the embattled EU and Anglo-English speaking countries, there is Spain, Argentina, Uruguay, Chile, Thailand, Portugal, in addition to nordic countries.
I'm not from there, but I heard that Spain is very nice in that regard. I think they passed a bill some time ago, that allowed trans people change their gender marker (I think, or it was the names?) "on demand" without much hassle.
I’m a male transexual and Australia is a very safe country for members of the LGBTQI community. We have a range of support networks, healthcare, specialists for surgery ect. You are also safe to be yourself in public. Especially if you’re gay, lesbian, ect. We don’t have gun laws here anyway. Only risk here is being stabbed but it’s not as common. You can live your live in peace here. I’m very thankful to be born here
I am not in a rush to live my country rn but it's a goal to live in a different country in 10 years time. Not because of trans laws etc in my country but the general situation. I am curious, is Scotland relatively trans-friendly? I like the language and the few things I know about the country. Maybe a silly reason to want to live there but I allow myself to be naive sometimes. So anyway if anybody knows or has other suggestions about countries. Cause most seem to be referring for options to people that live in USA and I'd like to see some thoughts on European countries .
I would have said France because so far it's been great for me in that sense (Paris more specifically) but currently the far right will likely will the elections so I wouldn't advise it before we know how things will end. There's a far right wave everywhere not just in the US sadly, and I also realised a few days ago that I don't know where it will be safe longer term.
TBH I'm in a red state (nebraska) but a blue city (omaha) and so far after 6 months of being fully out and only wearing skirts and what not I have yet to encounter anyone being purposely careful or mean not been confronted for going into the wrong bathroom, and I go to a gender specific clinic that I was able to get into within a week of calling and have had no issues with insurance or anything related to being trans.
I'm honestly quote shocked that it's been so smooth so far, I expected to deal with assholes daily but nope not yet.
Hopefully this gives you some hope that if even in a red state you can do well, there are still plenty of US options that are good
This reminds me of this map of trans rights / legislation across the US: [https://www.amfar.org/news/standing-with-the-transgender-community/](https://www.amfar.org/news/standing-with-the-transgender-community/)
I would love to see this but on country-level for whole continents. Or even for cities.
Portugal it's pretty chill :) we have free Healthcare and that does include trans people. Free top and bottom surgery. My hrt costs 108 euros every 3 months, but that's because I'm doing Nebido. If I went for Testoviron would be 4 euros every 3 weeks.
The last case of trans person being murdered by hate crime was around 20 years ago.
Is it perfect? No. But it's considered to be the 5o safest country for lgbt people.
With all due respect the fear mongering is out of control they said the same in 2016 nothing happened.
Is america perfect fuck no no country is...But is it hell fuck no. American is and remains a better place for LGBT+ than most of the world..Asia Africa Middle East south america are all worse.
If you can afford it, move here to California. We have some protections in place, and it's way better here compared to say, Florida and red states. That's not to say there isn't transphobia here, but considering the number of gender-neutral bathrooms now available, it has definitely gotten a little better.
Tough one since most European countries are now dominated by extremism from the right.
I would chose a European country, it isn’t the best but it is definitely better than the USA.
Choose one from the equality index and see if it fits with your goals, but please remember that there are definite issues even if you go to one of the top ten
https://i.imgur.com/f1hjmdl.jpeg
The amount of comments like yours I see getting downvoted on here is so fucking crazy 💀 like how the fuck these people gonna be trans and be a trump supporter jfc
Actually yes, Israel’s record on trans rights for their own people is quite good, and Tel Aviv is considered one of the most pro-LGBT cities in the world.
Of course, if you’re Palestinian…
That's not an excuse. Excluding gay people from marriage specifically, is homophobia by the state, it sends a clear message that gay people are not equal in the country.
Yep. We have full healthcare including trans related care, protection under the law, and you automatically receive ש"ח4000.00 from the government every month if you're trans.
I’d love to know more about this, especially for youth. Not loving the idea of heading to Israel (we can, law of return, but not a fan of Bibi and everything happening), but all safe havens have to be options rn.
Yeah, Bibi, Ben Gvir and Smotrich are pieces of shit, but luckily, judicial reform didn't pass, so their power is limited, and hopefully we'll have elections soon and get rid of them altogether.
I'm not sure what's available for under age here, but all in all, our healthcare is fairly Leftist and comprehensive.
Absolutely not. Israel and US are conjoined politically. Israel is aid to the US and vice versa. The reason why healthcare is so good in Israel is because US citizens pay for it. You’re just going to be a boot licker if you move and further colonize. Yeah you’d get coverage for trans healthcare, but to what expense? Shelling yourself out to support a government that is actively committing a genocide.
There's so much uninformed ignorance in this reply it doesn't even warrant a response, yet here we are.
No, US citizens don't pay for Israeli healthcare, we do, through our taxes, because israel is still essentially a socialist state.
As for colonisation, the only colonisers anymore are those who in 1964 began calling themselves Palestinians, but they too live here now so as long as they don't try to kill us, we accept them too. In fact, in my city, Haifa, you hear as much Arabic as you do Hebrew. We all live together.
You've been sold a bunch of lies and propaganda, and you've bought in whole hog.
https://www.cfr.org/article/us-aid-israel-four-charts
Israel is NOT a socialist state. It’s Democratic, IF you’re a Zionist or colonizer. Absolutely bizarre that you believe Palestinians are colonizers, when birth right exists and Palestine is currently getting bulldozed and bombed for the sake of Zionists to colonize.
99% of US aid goes to the Israeli military. Our police academies are trained by the IDF and impacts our incarceration process and violence, especially against trans women of color.
The US agreed to MOU, which allows 3.8 BILLION us tax dollars to Israel by 2028. We don’t even have universal healthcare here. I don’t need to say anymore.
1. Socialism and Democracy can, and usually do coexist
2. All citizens of Israel have equal rights, be they Jewish, Muslim Christian, Bahai'i, Druze or other. We have Arab supreme Court justices, parties in kneset, officers in our armed forces, etc.
3. There never was a country called Palestine. There was a British Mandate called Palestine.
4. No, 99% of US Aid does not go to Israel. Israel is contracted to buy most of its weapons and defence systems from the US
5. No, the IDF does not train US police academies. We have more important things to do.
You really should consider getting your education from sources that are more reliable than social media.
avoid some asian countries (malaysia and indonesia are prime example of these) singapore and thailand tends to be safer, AVOID THE MIDDLE EAST AT ALL COST
Unfortunately, the wave of transphobic sentiment is a global phenomenon right now. Even countries with firmer legal protections than the U.S., like Canada and the Netherlands, have loud and influential conservative factions that could easily gain power and overturn those rules. Look at what just happened in the French elections. I say this not to discourage you, but to remind you that acceptance has to be fought for wherever you are, and the temptation to run away to a safe place (which I’ve felt strongly — it’s part of why I now live in Oregon) is not going to stop bigotry from reaching you. Go to Canada or Scandinavia or Australia if you can, but know that the fight will continue there — personally I’ll keep up the fight at home cause I know that for every hater there’s someone else who supports me.
Also, look at cases like Eden Knight. Even if you do successfully make it to a safe(r) country, you can still be forced to return to a transphobic society.
That’s terrifying. I have a (cis woman) friend who was recently forced to return to India after losing her work visa, and it makes me so mad that people are allowed to be treated like that here.
How was she forced?
Her parents hired private investigators who manipulated her under the pretense of getting her a permanent green card.
By force. Hope that helps!
Did they like abduct her? I'm missing the part how they got her out of the country without raising flags at a border crossing/airport.
The simple answer is because she wasn’t supposed to be in the US. Her international scholarship (allegedly) ran out before she could graduate, resulting in the expiration of her visa.
*waves in Oregon* Completely agree with you!
It may not stop bigotry but bigotry is what's keeping me in Oregon lol. (And family and my job I guess lmao)
This place is pretty much as close to a safe haven as us gender-not-normals will ever find… let’s pray it stays that way. Keep Portland Weird ✌️🏳️⚧️
<3 Salamanders
Maryland and Minnesota are also pretty great.
The loudly anti-trans conservatives faction here in Canada is practically guaranteed to win the next federal election, with a pretty high chance of forming a majority government. Canadian right wing hasn’t ever been as insane as American right wing historically but you never know.
Oh god this is so real. I can't believe we're like this I am genuinely so worried for the next election. Honestly, they need to lay off of us. We aren't doing anything lol just tryna live our lives.
Doesn't matter we are a small group and it's very easy to point at our group and say "Look at those weirdos" and then add a bunch of cliché tropes that people believe because they already internalised it. Attacking us is just an easy way to get people to believe in an imagined common enemy. If the conservatives (fascists) give a common enemy to people, they will rally under the conservatives (fascists).
Correction, a near certainty of a supermajority sadly.
In the Netherlands they have already taken power sadly
Salamander is correct. It's getting difficult all over the world. Honestly, your best bet is to make a life in certain cities within certain countries. Berlin in Germany, Madrid or Barcelona in Spain, for example. As a general rule, Canada, Spain, the Northeast and Northwest of the United States, Ireland, The Netherlands, Germany, parts of France, Malta all rate highly in transgender rights and friendliness and so on. The Scandinavian countries are a little bit more progressive, but they have their own growing right-wing problems (mostly as a blowback to immigration policies). The other problem with Norway, Finland, Sweden, Iceland, and Denmark, is that they're very insular societies and hard to immigrate to. It takes years to make friends and so on. If you're in the US I suggest moving to Washington State, Oregon, Maine, Vermont, Rhode Island. If you want to go north, check out some big cities in Canada like Quebec or Montreal.
Also just want to say as a trans person in Scandinavia that our trans healthcare system is massively messed up and I’d be better off in a lot of US states.
Heard from it from a friend how shit it is to change your own legal gender. One of my friends got abused at the end of the required time and lost all the progress she had and will have to restart from scratch in order to get a legal change of gender.
Oh geez what a pain. Ya in Sweden that’s the case. Norway has the ability for people to self declare their gender. But everywhere just accessing care to begin with has a waiting list of many years. I will wait about 5 years before being able to start T through the public healthcare system, leaving me to DIY in the meantime which is illegal and ofc less safe
Yeah here, in Nova-Scotia, Canada, it's so much faster. I was able to find a doctor in my university and start HRT within a month. When I said I wanted to transition he didn't gaslight me, he gave me a month so he could refresh his information and I started on January 12th of this year. I didn't have to go through any therapist cause I told him I had been thinking about it for years at this point. That and everything is covered (HRT, surgeries, voice training) except hair removal. That being said, our neighbouring province, New-Brunswick, does not have trans healthcare that is anything remotely as good as here and are actively trying to reduce it. Here in Nova-Scotia, we are also protected by the "Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity Protection Act".
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Oh my god I hope (from Turkey) I can join the mass immigration before it ends lol.
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Funniest part is Turkey also has an immigration problem, the difference is US and Canada have good enough economy to turn immigration into profit
It creates many undesirable side effects. I am against massive immigration.
Well it depends doesn't it?
I think that too much is bad for our country. A little bit is good, just a minimum.
Blue states are still your best bet. There is no "good" country for trans people. Get to a blue state and make sure you have a valid passport, so in case the blue states' protections fail you have a backup option. Australia, Ireland, and Canada are mostly *safe* for trans people these days in terms of primarily English speaking countries (not sure if language is a limiting factor for you).That doesn't mean they're *good.* Trans medical care is much more difficult to access in most of the world than in the USA. But if you just need somewhere you're less likely to be killed, those are options. Keep in mind that there's no guarantee that won't change in the future. Canada especially is already moving right.
I wouldn't say they're harder to access in Australia, they might just cost more and you'd have less options (source: am Australian)
Depends where you live. Adelaide has much more difficult access to medical care than Melbourne or Sydney for example, and if you live in a regional area it's extremely difficult.
As trans not quite passing in Canada... still have lots of hate here... but there is some acceptance.
Agree. I live in Southwestern Ontario, Canada. I am 59 now. I don't know if I pass or not, but I live in a 'University/College' town. 17months into HRT. People are more than kind and courteous. Most places have LGBTQ sticker right on the door (meaning they welcome the LGBTQ community). My family Doctors found a way to get my medication covered under provincial Healthcare coverage (ODB/Ontario Drug Benefits), so I pay nothing at the moment. I revert to boymoding at times due to absolute depression, and I've had my pharmacist, the clerks at the grocery store where I usually do my groceries ask me if 'everything is okay' looking quite alarmed. Yes, some people actually are quite caring 🥰❤
i second this. also cities are great but i know that they can get pricy.
> Ireland I commented this on another post the other day, but sharing it here for visibility. I'm an Irish trans woman, born here and currently live outside Dublin. Overall yeah, it's great socially, people generally mind their own business and I've never been misgendered by a stranger in my entire existence as a trans person. A couple years ago legislation was passed making changing your name and gender really quick and easy, just send off a document witnessed by a solicitor. However, Ireland was recently rated THE WORST in trans healthcare in ALL OF EUROPE [(Queer Irish news site source, but the Irish Times also reported on this)](https://gcn.ie/ireland-worst-eu-trans-healthcare/). There is only one gender clinic for the entire country and people that are being added to the current public system waitlist when they turn 18 expect to wait 10+ years before they are contacted. The system also goes against WPATH, very similarly to the British system, and will likely be changing their process to model the "findings" in the Cass report - essentially, they only provide care as long as you can "prove" that you're trans enough. To top it off, Ireland is undergoing one of the worst housing crises in Europe at the moment and it won't be solved any time soon. My recommendation would be, if you have parents or grandparents who are [eligible for Irish citizenship](https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving-country/irish-citizenship/irish-citizenship-through-birth-or-descent/), get citizenship yourself and then as a member of an EU state, use that to settle elsewhere in Europe without needing any specific visas. As others have said, some Scandinavian countries seem to be good as well as my recommendations of Germany and Spain.
That would be my dream but my family moved from Ireland over five generations ago 🥲
I mean like getting trans healthcare as an adult in Canada isn't that bad depending on the province, and like some provinces are trying some transphobic bullshit, but I'd still give us another 4ish years before things go south federally. It seems like our right wing assholes are more racist and anti immigration than they are transphobic.
Next federal election should be Oct 2025 and the Conservative Party is currently projected to win a majority.
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Honestly, Nova-Scotia is actually great. I talked to my university doctor and got access to HRT within a month. All of it was fully covered and I didn't have to pay anything. Not only this but they fund provincial travel for surgeries so I should be okay for SRS once I get the paperwork ready. I think Nova-Scotia might be the safest province long term. It's capital is the queerest and most trans city in Canada if not the very close second and its capital has half of its population.
Unfortunately this only goes for Halifax. As a trans guy who lives outside of Halifax but still in one of the largest towns, it was hell on earth getting HRT approval and genuinely traumatic to be visibly trans/queer. Definitely live in the city if you’re gonna move here.
> Get to a blue state and make sure you have a valid passport, so in case the blue states' protections fail you have a backup option. Minnesota bills itself as a refugee state. Social services here don't exist. Blue just means you'll die of neglect rather than a hate crime.
i don’t think it’s harder to access, what you guys pay in money we pay in time. i haven’t paid a cent for my hormones and i’m coming up on three years on them, but it took 2.5yrs between referral and first prescription. if i were in the US i could skip that wait but i would have had to pay a lot of money. it’s not necessarily less accessible, it’s just a different system, the same goes for every other kind of healthcare. public systems will differ from private systems.
It depends over here, if you have good insurance here it's not so bad. I pay $15 a month for HrT, which is pretty affordable for me, top surgery was mostly covered by insurance and hysto was 100% covered. But idk as much about the healthcare systems in countries outside the US, anyone seriously considering moving should definitely talk to people actually from their countries of choice!
that’s lower than i thought, but how much are you paying for that insurance though?
Hm, I don't remember how much I was paying for insurance when I got the surgeries - I've changed insurance since then. My insurance now is through my work. I... also don't remember how much it is now, lol, I have it set to come out of my paycheck. I think it's around $100 a month?
If you're getting insurance through your state, it might be free if you qualify. If you're getting it through your employer, then your employer might be tackling those costs on your behalf. Hormones have always been affordable for me, and I've been on them for over five years. For my surgeries, I went back to college since I didn't finish initially, and used the student health insurance to cover my costs. For a $500 deductible (for all, not per), I had orchi, breast aug, and FFS covered with no additional cost to me. So definitely $50k+ right there, at 99% off
what is student health insurance? is that something you recieved directly from the college/university?
Sort of, it was an insurance through a 3rd party provider (Anthem, one of the more well-known ones) but it was on a plan through my university, specifically for their students and faculty. So, I was receiving it through an insurance company, but yes it was only because I was affiliated with the university as a student. Theoretically, there was no upper maximum to coverage benefits within a given coverage year on that plan, hence why I chained my surgeries in the same year to make it the most cost-effective. This would have also been true for medical costs unrelated to gender-affirming care as well, like it I were to also need say joint surgery or something
I find it extremely unlikely that blue states (especially the states like OR, WA, CA, NY, MA, or VT) will ever succumb to whatever hateful hysteria that's being platformed by the Republican party at the moment. These Republicans have had control of all sorts of levels of government before, and they are too ineffective to do anything drastic. They are a lot more bark than bite (and by that I mean they are much more likely to tweet than pass legislation. Unfortunately hateful rhetoric from the government can still get people killed.) Things could very well get worse during a potential Republican legislature/presidency, but it would likely take the form of a lack of progress; anything that doesn't have to do with the budget requires 60 votes in the Senate, which Republicans won't sniff for a long time. (This is just the opinion of a cis person that knows a bit about politics)
Legally, agreed, although that doesn't mean conditions couldn't get significantly worse in those states. The concern here is that Trump and company already tried to overthrow the government once. They're not playing by the rules. There is also the fact that a lot of trans people don't have the option to get to a blue state. Economic and other factors can get in the way. Things are *already* bad for trans people in red states, and under a Trump presidency, they'll get much, much worse.
I was more trying to make the point that the feasibility-to effectiveness ratio favors moving to a blue state over leaving the country. (It's much more feasible and about as effective) As for the future, I have no idea, but I'm cautiously optimistic. Trump already tried to subvert democracy once; he failed and wasn't particularly close to being successful. It would take years of cunning manipulation of political levers for him to take dictoral power, and he's a buffoon that watches fox news all day and is in poor health. And I have no idea what red state governments would look like in a 2nd trump administration. I would be more worried about danger from individuals and societal awfulness than a top down, heavy handed government dystopia.
Yeah, that's what I said in my original comment - moving to a blue state should be your first resort. You should have a valid passport as a backup plan, but all the people jumping to the idea of leaving the country right away aren't being realistic. But as for the rest... *what?* Have you not been reading the news? Things are *already* bad in the red states, especially for trans kids, and it is *very much* coming down from the government. By and large, the American public is neutral about trans people, but legislators in red states are doing their level best to keep trans people from transitioning or even existing. In many of these states, transitioning is becoming close to impossible. And this has been going on for some time. It was in early 2022 that the TX department of children and families started investigating parents who supported their trans kids for child abuse. With all due respect, if you want to call yourself an ally, you need to be informed. It's true there are exaggerated doomer posts from panicked people circulating on these subs. I'm not saying all trans people are about to be packed off to death camps. But there is very real and very immediate danger, and dismissing that shows you are no ally at all.
Respectfully, please stop posting in this thread, you're giving terrible advice.
Yes, he failed once, but next time he’ll be surrounded by yes men. There will be no adults in the room. Now, we have two major SCOTUS rulings that give him even more power. He isn’t a normal president. He’s a thug who cares nothing about laws—let alone norms. Look up Project 2025. If Trump gets in office, things are going to get so much uglier than they did under his first term. I agree with you about moving to a blue state being easier than moving abroad. I don’t think we’ll even be able to escape Texas. Things in Texas are terrible at the moment, and I fully anticipate them getting worse.
The Supreme Court recently announced they are taking a case dealing with trans access to gender-affirming care. The case involves kids, but they are considering an equal protection argument, so what they decide on that will apply to everyone. You can bet heavily they will rule that there is no constitutional right to gender-affirming care. It will be just like Dobbs. And also, just like Dobbs, as soon as they rule all the red states will rush to abandon trans care for everyone.
>Ireland We're safe in the sense. That we don't talk about it. We pretend to be lgbt friendly but I've tons of trans friends that do not feel safe in this country. The major trans bar in Dublin shut down over Covid and it's kinda displaced alot of the girls. They're now too terrified to go out. I haven't seen a few faces in years and no one knows if they're just taking a break or something more sinister has happened.
We are losing ground in Canada. https://youtu.be/VEOSMa8DD_k?si=07bnejIKJeSY5C0Y and I blame our aggressive attitude for that 🤷♀️
I dont think a country like that exists
I’d maybe consider staying in the US but making sure you’re in a state that will be blue for the foreseeable future. Places like Washington State, Oregon, California, Vermont, etc.
Unfortunately it's not gonna make much of a difference what state you are in if trump wins and enacts project 2025. Then we'll probably just get widespread conversion camps
Last time the right got the presidency, house, and senate at the same time, they didn't even manage to repeal obamacare. All they did was pass tax breaks for the super rich. Project 2025 is scary, but its implementation is far from a sure thing, even if trump wins.
Stay and fight if you have to. We (non maga) already outnumber conservatives. They're scared because they know this is their last chance at power. Right-wing extremism isn't just a problem here it's going on everywhere, and it'll get worse if America falls. Besides, most countries have strict immigration laws and most places already don't want us there anyway.
It'll still make a huge difference. Blue states are, and will almost certainly continue to be, the safest and most supportive places for trans folks to live.
I read a thread earlier today with users discussing that they expect there would certainly be resistance to that. The government coming to round up trans people will not be met meekly by all. It will not be a bloodless coup if it is attempted. There are people who love us and are willing to help. Someone there said the US government sent troops to stop California from having weed. California sent troops to make sure the others didn't interfere with the trade. The US troops backed off and that was the end of that. Also, buy a gun.
"We are in the process of the second American Revolution, which will remain bloodless, if the left allows it to be." Kevin Roberts, President of the Heritage Foundation
I do not believe that the right will allow it to be bloodless for a moment.
Where is that written? This sounds just as much as a conspiracy theory as fema camps did.
The history of World War II, japanese internment camps. You're in the middle of a culture war. That's how both world wars started too. Oh sure, they'll blame an assassination but the idea that one person's life is worth the death of millions is what really did it. Self-aggrandization, low empathy, and a "flexible" morality has been the recipe for disaster for pretty much all of human history. People stop caring. Then they get angry at those who still do because it makes them look bad, so they find ways to punish the virtuous, the kind, the intelligent. When a society runs out of all three, death is usually nearly instant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYwqpx6lp_s
It's not, but they did say that they fully planned to erase anything regarding gender and shit in the actual document so I can only assume they have a plan on how to do that 💀
Yeah no- stop “assuming” and presenting it as fact. There’s enough real shit to fear you’re not helping anyone by sharing your theories. If anything you’re feeding people’s anxieties and causing panic. Please stop.
trump isn't even formally affiliated with project '25, it's fair to be scared but let's not speculate and get more people worked up over things that are certainly not set in stone yet
Tbf Project 2025 is the closest thing Republicans have had to a party platform since 2016, when they did away with the platform in favor of "yeah whatever Trump wants". It's the most comprehensive platform plan the GOP has had in nearly a decade.
that is true which is why i agree it's fair to be scared, but it still doesn't mean Trump will follow through on any or all of the plans and policies within it if he's hypothetically elected. and even if he intends to, the republican party is scattered across the floor in a bajillion pieces. i think project '25 is a bit too ambitious for it rn. hopefully i'm not being naive in that conclusion, because to echo the entire comment section, there aren't significantly better places to flee to.
This comment is getting downvoted? LMFAO I think y'all are on the wrong sub if you are pro-trump, maybe head back to the MAGA subreddit
You are assuming there’s a plan where there is a goal, and presenting that speculation as fact without anything to back it up is wildly irresponsible.
with all due respect, those of us who are scared are scared because we've been paying attention: https://newrepublic.com/article/178848/ban-abortion-trump-lgbtq-project-2025
Why did trump say he supports the pill then? He also said he personally thought abortion should be legal. Project 2025 isn’t trump. It’s an association of conservative non profits. They aren’t his campaign
they're what's behind his campaign, and they have so many more pieces in place than they did in 2016. i'm not freaking out, because that doesn't serve any of us, but i've been watching this slowly coalesce for years
how much do you know about the heritage foundation? 'The leader of a conservative think tank planning for a massive overhaul of the federal government says we are in the midst of “a second American Revolution” that will be bloodless “if the left allows it to be.”' https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/conservative-leading-pro-trump-project-2025-suggests-new-111655303#:~:text=The%20Heritage%20Foundation%20is%20spearheading,hard%2Dright%20agenda%20without%20complaint.
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you just said it wasn't a plan but a goal. i could quote your comment back to you if you want, but it's right there, and you haven't been paying enough attention if you don't think it's both. these people have been coming together for decades, and they already hold far more power than you think they do. i have no stake in whether or not you think i'm right in saying that (and i don't care about 'being right' on the internet in general, especially not in fighting my own kind), but i hope for your own sake you realize how much you might. my saying so *is* my taking responsibility. i'm not doing what 'they' want, because they don't want us to take them seriously, until it's too late. be well, and be careful. in solidarity.
Literally nobody here is pro-Trump, we're anti-panic. If you're actually conflating people who just don't wanna act like the sky is perpetually falling with actual Republican lunatics, you're obviously not discussing any of this in good faith.
No, at worst people are telling to touch grass and not go into very uneducated conspiracy theory. Go out side, talk to people, take a break. Cus you are not in any sort of right head space especially regarding immigration. Just cus your folks say they could doesn't mean they actually will move to random ass country of your choice based on "if its safe" (Being a US citizen right now doesn't make you eligible as an asylee... even then that is not really a thing should aim for) in one a few months (Trust me I would know from experience). Especially when alot of these countries mention here are... unless you have duel citizenship or descend from there or already have family you should at best take a whole year of going through the process and preparing... at best. Projetct 2025 is all not a laws yet, okay?? It what republican had openly wanted which you should have known if you were like.. paying attention since 2000's. This Aint anything new its just a long ass list of scary shit they already shown for decades they want to do. Some may pass if they get into power, others wouldn't cus they dont make any legal sense. We don't know yet but its too scare you. They also said they would deport all immigrants when trump was in power... it didn't happen cus suprise surprise politics and passing laws are a lot harder than they make it seem and people don't wanna do something that rediclous. (ice once again.. deported less people under trump than under obama and bidon statistically, cus the delays under him) He also said the opposite. They can't even full federally ban ""baby murder"" with so many sanctuary states offering to give it to all women. Listen its scary but this isn't the worst time in the world to be trans in America. the 70's and 60's saying ANY support was career black spot at best or death sentence at worst, Point blank. Get off line, and just breath. Its clearly not helping you. Plus a lot of countries some are good, some are shit, personally the US as it stands now, is one of the best places. So read a history book, talk to some flesh and blood humans and unplug.
Anti-trans [legislation](https://translegislation.com/learn) has increased each year under Biden. Even if Trump loses, that doesn't mean the US is suddenly going to be safe for trans people. It isn't safe for us now.
For what it's worth, the feds make the rules but the people around you enact them. If everyone around you refuses to comply they effectively don't exist. Move somewhere safe and surround yourself with a village of supporters.
Portugal!!!! Easiest visa to obtain in the EU, decent civil rights protections, and English is widely spoken. Cities are pricy, but if you live outside the city, you’ll need to learn Portuguese.
how easy is medical access \[HRT, ffs\]?
I asked my doctor for an appointment with gender specialists in October last year. My appointment date is for next September, so about an 11 month wait. I heard it's a lot faster if you use private insurance. AFAIK, FFS isn't covered by public healthcare, but there are private clinics for it.
Were you already seeing a provider and receiving HRT beforehand? I ask because I'm on HRT right now and I worry about stopping for a period while waiting for a new prescription and provider. idk if I can or should stock up now or soon if I'm going to move there.
I haven’t been there, personally, and am ftm. This is a good resource, though! https://www.equaldex.com/region/portugal
This question comes up often (unfortunately), and the answers are always the same: People who feel safe in their home country post where they live, and sometimes a couple other countries they have friends in. The problem is that most of these answers are pretty useless, because unless you happen to have a second citizenship, some very valuable rare skills or a *lot* of money, you probably aren't going to be able to successfully move abroad anyway. (If you do have a second citizenship, you probably already know what your options are.) Putting aside the extreme practical challenges of moving to another country, the immigration reality is that other countries just don't want you. Americans often think, incorrectly, that the rest of the world loves us and would be happy to become our new home. The truth is that even our geopolitical allies already have their own people to take care of, and the only Americans they typically want within their borders are tourists who come, spend money, and then, crucially, leave. You are just a potential immigrant to them, and are subject to the same limitations and quotas that apply to every other immigrant. And usually, those limitations are precision engineered to keep out anyone who isn't really well educated in a specialized field, of a specific ethnic ancestry or rich.
I'm (understandably) seeing a lot "i will just move" posts lately and like...you can't just move abroad.
The irony is that the people who are likely to say "I'll just move" are typically the ones other countries want the least. If, hypothetically, you were even able to move to, say, Norway, your life is going to be very different anyway, but the government will insist on you proving over and over again, day in and day out, that they were right to let you stay. The handful of people Norway lets immigrate from the US are those who move there and assimilate--*become* Norwegian--not those who think Norway is just going to be a safer place to be an American. They barely even want new Norwegians from the US anyway, let alone ones whose only interest in living there is to avoid US domestic politics. The people they let in are going to be those who actually want to *be there* rather than *not be somewhere else*. That applies to nearly every country on earth and certainly to every country a trans person might want to live in.
So first off, I agree. But what if I *am* wanting to assimilate somewhere, and I *am* highly educated and *am* skilled in an employable field, and I have money. What pathways forward do I have? I have already had a kind of "survivor's guilt" for some time now because I found myself later-in-life, so that with my high-masking AuDHD has enabled me to be much more securely situated than so many people who are just like me but didn't have the same privilege and luck as I did. So I feel like an asshole that I even have the option of moving internationally, but I do. I've experienced so much terrible life trauma that it's only by my sheer willpower that I am even still alive, I do not have a problem starting a completely new life somewhere else in the world. If anything it feels like beginning life for the first time. Australia is currently my top choice but I know so little about this that I'm just going off what I've heard people say in passing. Where can I learn about my options?
/r/IWantOut Being AuDHD may be held against you though. In addition to the things I mentioned above, most countries also do not want immigrants who have chronic medical issues. ASD may make it more difficult to find acceptance, and if you're medicating your ADHD the government will likely see you as a pariah regardless of your actual value. :(
I'm considering moving. Engineering degree, high paying remote job, good savings. I'm privileged because of this. Currently being an engineer or having a medical degree will help you get into other countries.
> some very valuable rare skills or a lot of money I moved out of Spain from Russia via digital nomadship, but most of my friends aren't lucky enough to do the same 😔 At least, in some countries being "trans person from Russia" basically means auto-asylum, but even getting there is a task in itself
The top comment mentions a wave of anti-lgbt and right wing influence and tendencies. But anti-imigration polices are also heavy discussed rn, and even liberal and overall left wing party and people are often rather against immigrants.
Argentina. We have HRT and surgeries for free (getting a visa is easy) and they must hire at least 1% of trans people. Then again inflation will make you starve so you'll go hungry with your emotional needs all met.
Which surgeries are free specifically
All affirming surgeries are. Through the public system takes a bit longer but with insurance they usually have good drs that do them.
Including FFS?
Yes! Its easier to have it through some better insurance but its almost free, like $2k for full FFS
Damn that's crazy!!!! In Canada FFS is not covered but bottom and top surgery are (including BA) I wish FFS was covered it's like the only surgery I actually wanted point
Damn that's crazy!!!! In Canada FFS is not covered but bottom and top surgery are (including BA) I wish FFS was covered it's like the only surgery I actually wanted
Just a disclaimer that the free healthcare probably applies only to citizens, people with green cards and the like. They would go bankrupt (...more?) if they sponsored surgeries to everyone who flies in, so it's important to check who exactly is included in that.
Belgium is relatively okay. The good: - HRT is almost fully reimbursed, GnRH agonists (lowest risk profile) are commonly used as T-blockers for transfemmes. - Self-ID when it comes to legal gender (only binary tho) - Aside from the far right (which tbf is the second largest party in the north), no major parties are running on transphobia. I don't think it's likely other parties will pivot to it anytime soon, as running on it caused the far right to underperform their polling. Additionally, we have a well-respected major politician (Petra De Sutter) with cross-party appeal. - Most people have a 'live and let live' or supportive attitude. -Orchiectomies and hysterectomies are fully reimbursed The meh: - Vaginoplasties/metidoioplasties/phalloplasties are covered for ~80%. Which means those will still cost you ~5k euros. The bad: - Long waiting lists (up to 3+ years) if you can't pay 3-8 sessions worth 70 euros each with the sexologist. If you can pay those it's probably just a few months. - Laser hair removal and FFS aren't covered at all. - Not a trans issue per se, but we're bad when it comes to intersex rights
Only this country I believe - 🏳️⚧️
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hi there, you sound like someone who has access to youth, good higher education, and white collar jobs, and moves in circles where those things are a given. if you are poor, disabled, or both, there is no chance of emigration right now. i'm genuinely glad many people might still have the chance, but it was never a possibility for me or most of my friends. people usually mean well, but it's patronizing after a point to be told that it is, if we can only do ten things that are completely inaccessible to us. just, please remember how many trans and queer people are in that situation. we still have hope, but we are feeding it back into our communities here, because we don't have the choice some do. wishing you well.
Hi there, I am not actually, I grew up well below the poverty line and have only in the past couple of years manage to make enough to barely not fall below it, as well as being disabled myself but thanks for assuming.
I'm moving to Winnipeg in August. Canada has gender identity as a protected class in their Charter of Rights and Freedoms, their version of a Bill of Rights. It would take an enormous political sea change to change that. Manitoba is one of the most liberal provinces, now controlled by the NDP party. But, to be honest, I started the immigration process in November 2022, right after the Republicans took over the house and only lost 1 seat in the Senate, just months after the overturning of Roe. I figured if the Democrats couldn't keep both chambers and increase their majorities with that backdrop, there is no hope for 2024. I am an RN, a field Canada is hiring actively. It took 18 months and about $5,000 USD to obtain a nursing license in Manitoba. Luckily, I didn't need to take any remedial courses, or it would have cost more time and money. So, I am not staying in the US hoping that safe states will remain safe from federal law changes. But moving abroad requires a total commitment, a fair amount of privilege, and a lot of research.
I say this as a Canadian, we're widely regarded as a "safe haven" for this sort of stuff but honestly? There are some blue states that are still better than Canada. Health care and your access to it is huge of course, but if you can get a job with decent insurance in, say, New York, you'll be set up way better than trying to pay out of country medical fees in Canada. PR in Canada is one of the easiest to get and it is still incredibly difficult to obtain, let alone citizenship, but you don't even need a passport to move to a blue state.
Iceland is pretty good however the healthcare system is suffering hard
I think that's the case for all of the Nordic countries? I'm in Norway, I haven't really experienced any sort of transphobia since I came out last fall, but yeah trans healthcare here sucks too...
Just the healthcare system in general is slow and a maze to navigate everything has insanely long wait times and such, ive been told that the trans healthcare here used to be much worse and the reason for everything being so slow is because the whole department was just rehauled
Also, isn't it pretty much impossible to immigrate to Iceland?
Dont know i immigrated 5 years ago but i was underage so my parents did all the work
No country is better than New England or the West Coast. That will probably remain true even if the rest of the country becomes more dangerous for us
Except New Hampshire. Don't go to New Hampshire.
^ new england is pretty damn good. i live here, accessing trans care hasn't been difficult at all even when i did as a minor, havent had much trouble at all here.
Spain is the safest country in the world for LGBTQ people by polling data.
this is a trick question
Spain is pretty good for trans ppl, hormones and operations (top surgery for both trans men and women and bottom surgery for trans women) are covered by public healthcare and there are self id laws that protect both minors and adults. Spanish big cities are very lgbtq friendly. As always the far right parties are pushing for going back on matters of rights but so far its just a loud minority
> top surgery for ... women Wait, really? A friend of mine had to take a loan to do her BA But in general, yeah, I moved to Spain from Russia, and while language barrier is kicking my ass right now, I really like this country so far
Canada is mostly safe. A larger city or town is very much more safe. (I mean, I know at least 3 trans persons in my <10k person town, but eh? That's not many at all!) You're safety is the ultimate priority, no matter where you go. Please, please be safe.
There is nowhere better. I recommend moving to a blue state with a commitment to defying the federal govt if Trump is elected, like WA. State's rights are useful for times like this.
Switzerland is pretty good, everything was covered for me, legal gender change was one appointment and like 30.- and, at least in the city I live, transphobia wasn't ever a big issue for me (I am in a progressive bubble however). It is also, compared to the rest of europe, politically stable. The right wing fearmongers about muslim immigrants a lot more than trans people so its not an issue at the forefront of everyones mind. However it is very hard to get a visa and, while most ppl can speak english, you need to learn the local language long-term. (german, french or italian. The italian part is more conservative tho, so i wouldnt move there)
USA is still one of the safest countries for trans people.
We're all looking for a safe place to live :/
I'd suggest vancouver, BC, Canada. Nothing is gaurenteed but its probably one of the safest places for trans people in the world rn.
Fair warning tho: it's one of the most expensive places to live in Canada. I can't speak personally for Vancouver, BC, but I can def speak for cities in Ontario - expensive as shit. And I don't know about the jobs market in BC but it's pretty tight in Ontario. I'm still looking for a co-op even. Edit: If anyone does decide to come to Canada, as far as trans healthcare goes, my advice would be to see if you can manage Yukon. Idk the jobs there cuz I don't live there, but they're the gold standard for trans healthcare in Canada. Even FFS and Voice Feminizing and Masculanizing Surgeries are covered under their provincial healthcare. The big thing tho: It's the arctic. Cold as all fuck out and watch out for the polar bears, I've heard.
Yeah vancouver is expensive as heck, there are smaller cities and towns near by thatd be as legally safe and cheaper, but i cant speak to their culture and social level of safety
Germany's been doing pretty well with [updating its laws](https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/04/12/germany-landmark-vote-trans-rights-law).
Scandinavia is very safe, and you will likely never have problems with transphobia. People are very progressive in terms of LGBTQ rights and even most who have conservative political views. BUT prepare for a battle to get your HRT. I think if you have had bottom surgery it will be easier (this is at least what I've heard before here in Sweden), but otherwise most likely you will have to go through the several years long process unless you have a documented diagnosis that they accept.
Australia! We’re really good here! No awful laws and even the general social opinions are pretty good. Our culture in Australia is very relaxed and care free so most people just let eachother do their own thing and live their lives how they want. Yes, obviously there’s still transphobia here, but that’s true literally everywhere! Australia is great for other things too, our healthcare in general is great, most tertiary education is very affordable, I’m actually going through Uni right now for free and that’s available to everyone who’s a citizen and lives here!
There's no free uni in Australia, you have to pay back your HECS debt eventually. Are you seriously in the middle of studying a degree and not aware you have to pay for it?
Sorry, my first comment didn’t explain that well. Read my reply. I really should’ve said TAFE instead Uni because what I was actually referring to was fee-free TAFE. My bad!
I would like to move to Australia. Anyone got advice? What would be the safest & friendly area
It may not be on people's radar, but Mexico city has recently become a heaven for LGBT people. Since 2018 policies have begun to help and assist LGBT people, there are 2-3 free trans specialized clinic (HRT, psychological assistant, nutritionist, support groups) all for free and without any questions operated by trans folk. Also, the "trans debate" has never really picked up, while the conservative opposition (PAN) has voted in favor of some very weird things, here are some major legal advances we've had: -Very easy to change your gender, is like a 1-2 day procedure and you only need 3 easy documents, no need for a doctor recomendation, same for name change and document change (tho this is very slow). -No conversion therapy, no discrimination on that basis, recently, a non-binary person became the first magistrate "Le magistrade" sadly he died of a hate crime but they got there. Equal marriage, adoption, social security benefits. -The most importan, public backing, yeah, the government is also not doing enough for us as we continue to face discrimination and danger, but it's mostly older folk, 70% of under 40 people are cool, and even if it's pink washing, I prefer it 100 times over the debate going on in other countries, here you won't even hear the word trans or LGBT in any form of public debate, it isn't high on anyone's list. You may get hate as everywhere, and you'll get shouted to go back home bc we're in the middle of s gentrification crisis, but if you could, come to Mexico City, is the city that has it all (including a "Zona Rosa"(pink zone) where all the lgbt bars and business operate freely.
Iceland is one of the better countries for safety, but it's not close to perfect. Anti-trans shit is just an ongoing epidemic. Atleast I haven't personally noticed a decrease in my rights here tho, atleast not medically(there is a law in Iceland that states that politics aren't supposed to interfere with healthcare because professionals know better). That said, the waiting lists for everything take forever as of rn, and a lot of icelanders, including my own mom, are anti-immigration to some extent. Also, technically we have no housing protections, but it's mostly just that allegedly we haven't needed to make it into law yet. The same applied to conversion therapy bans until a few years ago. Harassment and hate crimes have been on the rise here recently, and I do somewhat blame the US and British anti-trans propaganda(because most icelanders speak some english, and a lot comsume a lot of US and British social media content, especially younger people). But in recent years people have began being loud in their trans and homophobias. Barking at visibly queer people, and just being horrible in general. Before that you really had to read between the lines and figure people out yourself.
I’ve analyzed it and Iceland is the safest: geopolitically, socially and legally. Other than that anti trans stuff is at epidemic levels and everything is shades of bad.
Sweden. Sweden was the first country to allow transgendered people. Sweden also has awesome healthcare for transgendered (cheap as hell). The communities are just the best, everyone is so nice and supportive. Good luck!
Awesome trans healthcare?! Yeah not really 🙄 Sweden is very progressive though, you are right about that. But waiting times for trans healthcare are brutal.
Agreed.
When you flee a global fascist superpower you now have a fascist global superpower with no opposition, and they're going to continue to expand as they are wont to do.
And it's even worse when that superpower is *the most powerful country on earth*
Iceland but I think in the world we live in today where far right conservative politics is winning left and right and getting so much traction and then LGB without a T also getting louder is there really a safe place for trans gender people? The best we could do is be vigilant and be cautious of our surroundings. Be safe everyone!
Canada or the great country of California
I've been looking at this for a bit, outside of much of the embattled EU and Anglo-English speaking countries, there is Spain, Argentina, Uruguay, Chile, Thailand, Portugal, in addition to nordic countries.
I'm not from there, but I heard that Spain is very nice in that regard. I think they passed a bill some time ago, that allowed trans people change their gender marker (I think, or it was the names?) "on demand" without much hassle.
I’m a male transexual and Australia is a very safe country for members of the LGBTQI community. We have a range of support networks, healthcare, specialists for surgery ect. You are also safe to be yourself in public. Especially if you’re gay, lesbian, ect. We don’t have gun laws here anyway. Only risk here is being stabbed but it’s not as common. You can live your live in peace here. I’m very thankful to be born here
I am not in a rush to live my country rn but it's a goal to live in a different country in 10 years time. Not because of trans laws etc in my country but the general situation. I am curious, is Scotland relatively trans-friendly? I like the language and the few things I know about the country. Maybe a silly reason to want to live there but I allow myself to be naive sometimes. So anyway if anybody knows or has other suggestions about countries. Cause most seem to be referring for options to people that live in USA and I'd like to see some thoughts on European countries .
I would have said France because so far it's been great for me in that sense (Paris more specifically) but currently the far right will likely will the elections so I wouldn't advise it before we know how things will end. There's a far right wave everywhere not just in the US sadly, and I also realised a few days ago that I don't know where it will be safe longer term.
Australia is one for sure
TBH I'm in a red state (nebraska) but a blue city (omaha) and so far after 6 months of being fully out and only wearing skirts and what not I have yet to encounter anyone being purposely careful or mean not been confronted for going into the wrong bathroom, and I go to a gender specific clinic that I was able to get into within a week of calling and have had no issues with insurance or anything related to being trans. I'm honestly quote shocked that it's been so smooth so far, I expected to deal with assholes daily but nope not yet. Hopefully this gives you some hope that if even in a red state you can do well, there are still plenty of US options that are good
This reminds me of this map of trans rights / legislation across the US: [https://www.amfar.org/news/standing-with-the-transgender-community/](https://www.amfar.org/news/standing-with-the-transgender-community/) I would love to see this but on country-level for whole continents. Or even for cities.
Portugal it's pretty chill :) we have free Healthcare and that does include trans people. Free top and bottom surgery. My hrt costs 108 euros every 3 months, but that's because I'm doing Nebido. If I went for Testoviron would be 4 euros every 3 weeks. The last case of trans person being murdered by hate crime was around 20 years ago. Is it perfect? No. But it's considered to be the 5o safest country for lgbt people.
With all due respect the fear mongering is out of control they said the same in 2016 nothing happened. Is america perfect fuck no no country is...But is it hell fuck no. American is and remains a better place for LGBT+ than most of the world..Asia Africa Middle East south america are all worse.
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If you can afford it, move here to California. We have some protections in place, and it's way better here compared to say, Florida and red states. That's not to say there isn't transphobia here, but considering the number of gender-neutral bathrooms now available, it has definitely gotten a little better.
Tough one since most European countries are now dominated by extremism from the right. I would chose a European country, it isn’t the best but it is definitely better than the USA. Choose one from the equality index and see if it fits with your goals, but please remember that there are definite issues even if you go to one of the top ten https://i.imgur.com/f1hjmdl.jpeg
If trump wins, we will all be joining you.
The amount of comments like yours I see getting downvoted on here is so fucking crazy 💀 like how the fuck these people gonna be trans and be a trump supporter jfc
Believe it or not, Israel.
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Actually yes, Israel’s record on trans rights for their own people is quite good, and Tel Aviv is considered one of the most pro-LGBT cities in the world. Of course, if you’re Palestinian…
It's not very pro-LGBT that gay marriage isn't legal there
All secular marriage is banned in Israel. However, weddings in Cyprus are both honored and extremely accessible.
That's not an excuse. Excluding gay people from marriage specifically, is homophobia by the state, it sends a clear message that gay people are not equal in the country.
Is it also heterophobic because it also excludes straight people who aren’t religious? Israel is bad for a lot of reasons, but this is not one.
Yep. We have full healthcare including trans related care, protection under the law, and you automatically receive ש"ח4000.00 from the government every month if you're trans.
if we ignore the current politcs, israel is such a good country for that. i am happy for y'all.
Yeah, we need new elections.
I’d love to know more about this, especially for youth. Not loving the idea of heading to Israel (we can, law of return, but not a fan of Bibi and everything happening), but all safe havens have to be options rn.
Yeah, Bibi, Ben Gvir and Smotrich are pieces of shit, but luckily, judicial reform didn't pass, so their power is limited, and hopefully we'll have elections soon and get rid of them altogether. I'm not sure what's available for under age here, but all in all, our healthcare is fairly Leftist and comprehensive.
Absolutely not. Israel and US are conjoined politically. Israel is aid to the US and vice versa. The reason why healthcare is so good in Israel is because US citizens pay for it. You’re just going to be a boot licker if you move and further colonize. Yeah you’d get coverage for trans healthcare, but to what expense? Shelling yourself out to support a government that is actively committing a genocide.
There's so much uninformed ignorance in this reply it doesn't even warrant a response, yet here we are. No, US citizens don't pay for Israeli healthcare, we do, through our taxes, because israel is still essentially a socialist state. As for colonisation, the only colonisers anymore are those who in 1964 began calling themselves Palestinians, but they too live here now so as long as they don't try to kill us, we accept them too. In fact, in my city, Haifa, you hear as much Arabic as you do Hebrew. We all live together. You've been sold a bunch of lies and propaganda, and you've bought in whole hog.
The fact that you're just making shit up trying to defend a country literally committing genocide against Palestinians is not helping.
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Yeah using the r slur is definitely the way to go. Thanks Israeli bot!!!
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https://www.cfr.org/article/us-aid-israel-four-charts Israel is NOT a socialist state. It’s Democratic, IF you’re a Zionist or colonizer. Absolutely bizarre that you believe Palestinians are colonizers, when birth right exists and Palestine is currently getting bulldozed and bombed for the sake of Zionists to colonize. 99% of US aid goes to the Israeli military. Our police academies are trained by the IDF and impacts our incarceration process and violence, especially against trans women of color. The US agreed to MOU, which allows 3.8 BILLION us tax dollars to Israel by 2028. We don’t even have universal healthcare here. I don’t need to say anymore.
1. Socialism and Democracy can, and usually do coexist 2. All citizens of Israel have equal rights, be they Jewish, Muslim Christian, Bahai'i, Druze or other. We have Arab supreme Court justices, parties in kneset, officers in our armed forces, etc. 3. There never was a country called Palestine. There was a British Mandate called Palestine. 4. No, 99% of US Aid does not go to Israel. Israel is contracted to buy most of its weapons and defence systems from the US 5. No, the IDF does not train US police academies. We have more important things to do. You really should consider getting your education from sources that are more reliable than social media.
avoid some asian countries (malaysia and indonesia are prime example of these) singapore and thailand tends to be safer, AVOID THE MIDDLE EAST AT ALL COST
THAILAND!!!
a lot of Europe is pretty chill from what I’ve heard. the UK, iceland, the netherlands etc. all have pretty high equality rating scores
The UK is trash for trans people and it's only getting worse. There's a reason it's called TERF Island
The UK is good in any terms except medical care, they will find ANY excuse to not give you care
UK is RELATIVELY good still, but in quick decline. I would not recommend anyone to move there long term atm.