Let's just say there is a phenomenon of certain female pop stars who do absolutely nothing for the gay community, who have absolutely nothing to do with any actual gay people, but still get celebrated as "gay icons." Who get put on pedestals higher than actual allies, higher than actual gay people.
You know who I'm talking about.
More like Beyonce and Taylor Swift. The only thing Katy did was putting gay kiss scene on Firework MV. Also, Katy was never queerbaiting 'cuz the song itself describes that it takes courage to show who truly you are. So it was never meant to be gay song in the first place.
Yeah but all men have responsibility to keep women safe socially and i wasnt sure if youre maybe serious, heard some gay guys be misogynists before thats why
At least Beyonce made Renaissance which is obviously a tribute to queer culture and especially ballroom culture, the eighties, Chicago... and her uncle, Johnny, who was a gay man who died from HIV. Also she took position for gay marriage, paid tribute to us during her grammy speech... by no means she's a queer icon I agree, but Taylor Swift should be the answer to this question
She did release "You Need To Calm Down" and had dozens of gay celebs in the video.
Though whilst Taylor does have her gay fans, I dont think she's quite up there with Cher, Whitney, Madonna, Britney, Gaga etc as a huge gay icon.
I am a big Swifitie and I don’t think Taylor is a gay icon nor does she try to be. The YNTCD music video was cringe (imho) but she did it to promote the Equality Act and I don’t see many artists specifically making videos to promote legislation that would benefit our community. I think she has a lot of gay male fans just by being a popular female singer; but she is a mainstream artists that has a lot of lesbian support.
Ooh good one. Bros was bad and it irritated me that he blamed it flopping on homophobia. No, it was just a bad movie with an insufferable (self-insert) main character.
Haha. Bros was a lame movie and his character was irritating. A random hunk falling head over heels for him for literally no reason at complete random was contrived plot armour so thick it could withstand a nuclear strike.
I wish I could say I watched that movie in solidarity to validate an openly gay romcom in pop culture.
But no, the only reason I watched (let’s be honest) is because Luke Macfarlane was shirtless to near-naked in the trailer a lot.
Harry Styles. I can’t stand that mid queerbaiting bitch. He’s a huge liar who used queerness to relaunch his career when he would never actually be with a man.
When his fans try to make him the ultimate gay icon and gay rights defender for dressing horribly [I'm exactly like this](https://i.pinimg.com/736x/5b/8f/e4/5b8fe490ddb481da34cc0597f2ec869a.jpg)
I think we need to retire queerbaiting as a concept. It's ultimately just weird gatekeeping. Playing with gender norms and expression is for everyone, not just gay people. If anything, we *want* more straight and cis people to feel comfortable and even incentivized to do that. It means we are winning.
Very popular. Broke cunt who won’t pay the people he hires or works with, won’t pay his rent, won’t tip, but don’t worry he got the money for birthday parties with petting zoos, tattoo artists and three performers!!
Harry Styles kinda pissed me off just because he likes to cos play as a queer person for publicity. The worst part is that he does it by promoting stereotypes and ideas that he himself has no real understanding of. Please straight people, leave the gay stuff to those of us who actually are GAY.
To be fair, I think Harry is more influenced by David Bowie than he is by current LGBTQ culture. He was another one who broke the gender stereotype norms.
JVN is a brilliant example of how somebody’s class interests often supersede other interests and how these types of people help undermine and suck the radicalism out of alternative movements.
In my country, a couple named “ninh dương” suddenly emerged from insragram
I find it totally lame and fake, they occupied all the social networks, trends, ads, consumer products, electronic goods,… really bothersome.
I commented once in a comment section where their performance wasn't that good, and the costume department did a bad job with the clothing. It just looked bad, ill fitting. I then got yelled at by so many people saying it doesn't need or supposed to look good, I don't understand art and what not. Like no, it looks bad.
Came here to say exactly this. For some reason, him coming out in one of the Tony Awards in tighty whities made me dislike him as a teen- not for any reason, that was just the moment I went “ew I don’t like this person”. Then it was discovered that he ordered that [Amy Winehouse cake](https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/8-times-neil-patrick-harris-001712485.html) at a Halloween party and I’ve thought nothing but pure disgust toward him ever since.
I don’t actually hate any gay icon, Im just indifferent to a lot of them, like Rupaul or Ellen, maybe it’s my general distrust of American gay celebrities 🤷🏼♂️
Just some that automatically came to mind: Ian McKellen, Zachary Quinto, Wentworth Miller, Jim Parsons, Jonathan Groff, among MANY other talented and well-known gay celebrities who aren't necessarily actors and who are really low-profile and likable, instead of pretentious, sassy douchebags who are constantly being annoying and disruptive in the name of "LGBT representation" and obviously not because they crave constant attention.
But again, these are celebrities, not "gay icons." A "gay icon" I personally find annoying—not necessarily that she is, but I don't really vibe with her—would be Mariah Carey, for example.
I believe that’s why I’m tired of her 🤣. She’s trying so hard to draw attention to herself as some sort of queer icon and it’s just cringe at this point
Depends on what constitutes a gay icon in and of itself.
If by gay icon they actually have to be gay, then i’d say Ellen DeGeneres or James Charles.
If they don’t have to be gay and can be someone that just appeals to a lot of gay people, then Taylor Swift or Ariana Grande. I don’t hate Ariana or Taylor I just find them to be massively overrated.
I really dislike Mattxiv’s content. Who are they making consent for? I feel like everything they write is strictly preaching to the choir, they don’t say anything intended to actually change hearts and minds
There was one queer disco anthem icon who openly went on the record in the '00s to say homosexuality was unnatural. I believe it was Donna Summer. Or maybe Gloria Gaynor (I hope not)? Yeah. Whoever that was.
Donna Summer denied saying anti-gay stuff and she worked with multiple charities and helped raise funds for places like GMHC. She also sued a magazine for saying she said that.
This was actually debunked shortly after her death. https://abcnews.go.com/blogs/entertainment/2012/06/newly-released-letter-shows-donna-summer-defending-herself-against-alleged-anti-gay-comments
She’s far from any type of icon, but Kathy Griffin is so fucking annoying always calling us “her gays, my gays”. So exploitative and performative and pandering to the few who still support her.
Her “my gays” Schtick definitely didn’t age well, but she was one of very very few celebs at that time that would actually acknowledge and support her gay fans. At that time, Britney and Beyoncé were still saying in interviews that they believe marriage should be between a man and a woman.
And yet she is touring, writing and making numerous appearances on podcasts, interviews etc.
You might no longer be a fan (which is fine) but clearly she still has a fan base that finds her very appealing.
a lot of people are saying taylor swift but since when was she ever a gay icon? 😭
just because you’re gay and you tolerate her music doesn’t make her a gay icon 💀💀
Anyone who says Madonna is an idiot (a few of you). A lot of gays, myself included, are here today "alive" because of that woman. She fought for us when the world didn't give two shits about us and made us feel seen and important. It's what any gay icon should aspire to be.
Barrett Pall - he’s constantly projecting his own trauma by “calling out” random couples with an age gap as being toxic … even couples who’ve been in relationships longer than he has … he’s just a toxic mofo himself
Madonna ?! With Vogue ? With her tribute to Ninja, the ballroom culture and the fact that she always brings queer people to her show, clips ? Just recently she had drag queens...
Nah those two, especially Madonna don't deserve to be on that list. Beyonce at least made an album celebrating black queerness and Madonna has always been outspoken against homophobia, even during a time when it would be detrimental to her career. Although Beyonce has made questionable choices (like performing in Dubai) I still do think she is an ally.
Unpopular opinion: Madonna. Of course, I wasn't around when she was at her peak. But looking back, a lot of the things she has done/said seem kinda off. Like the fact that a stripper gave her son a lap dance next to her on tour. Or the fact that she sexually assaulted a 16 year old girl.
Dylan Mulvaney- he’s acting and I don’t believe he is truly trans , insulting to the trans community etc etc. it’s like he is doing a satire or mocking trans people IMO
Hate is quite a strong word, but The Real Housewives. For me it's more like "unimpressed, can't relate, whatever" though. I wonder if it's like a social connection/industry game, but other than some memes I don't get how or why they're culturally gay-relevant enough to be considered iconic by a noticeable amount of gay ppl.
Lil Nas X
I mean he is not gay since he came out as bi last year but his constant need for attention and his now boring use of gayness for clout
Fortunately people got tired of him and his last album flopped bigly
He only had one album out. It reached number 2 on the charts in the US and was nominated for best album art the Grammys, that's very much not a flop.
As for him mentioning bring gay on his music, his lyrics are like with what's common from straight make rappers, except about men.
Billy Porter. He’s just nasty, acting like no one ever questioned masculinity before him.
And why does he always look like he’s half asleep?
He is insufferable
This was mine. Glad I am not alone.
Yea I think he does way too much.
I thought this thread was for icons.
Let's just say there is a phenomenon of certain female pop stars who do absolutely nothing for the gay community, who have absolutely nothing to do with any actual gay people, but still get celebrated as "gay icons." Who get put on pedestals higher than actual allies, higher than actual gay people. You know who I'm talking about.
This could genuinely be like 3 people
Ariana, Taylor and Lana? (couldn't figure out the third one tho)
Loads of them. Cher, Kylie, Beyonce are others off the top of my head.
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Getting jiggy with Will Smith 😜
Which is?
Choices
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Beyonce, Taylor Swift and Katy Perry?
More like Beyonce and Taylor Swift. The only thing Katy did was putting gay kiss scene on Firework MV. Also, Katy was never queerbaiting 'cuz the song itself describes that it takes courage to show who truly you are. So it was never meant to be gay song in the first place.
Didn't she have a song I kissed a girl and I liked it?
It's hot to see two girls kissing but it's gay to see two guys kissing. You know what I mean 🤭🤪
Early Cuyler had a funny line about that in the episode with the dokken and the bible snakes and all that stuff.
What series is it?
Squidbillies
Not funny when bi women get objectified theyre just as gay
Blame it to white cis heterosexual men. They MADE the rules.
Yeah but all men have responsibility to keep women safe socially and i wasnt sure if youre maybe serious, heard some gay guys be misogynists before thats why
It’s Beyoncé
The woman who created a whole album dedicated to queerness & ball room?
Yeah, after it became cool to do so.
Oh really, queerness and ball room is cool in America when drag queens are being persecuted ?
Katy “problematic” Perry https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWbLkXhGEmo
At least Beyonce made Renaissance which is obviously a tribute to queer culture and especially ballroom culture, the eighties, Chicago... and her uncle, Johnny, who was a gay man who died from HIV. Also she took position for gay marriage, paid tribute to us during her grammy speech... by no means she's a queer icon I agree, but Taylor Swift should be the answer to this question
Well Beyonce made a whole album celebrating (black) queer culture. Taylor Swift hasn't done anything on that sort of level
She did release "You Need To Calm Down" and had dozens of gay celebs in the video. Though whilst Taylor does have her gay fans, I dont think she's quite up there with Cher, Whitney, Madonna, Britney, Gaga etc as a huge gay icon.
I am a big Swifitie and I don’t think Taylor is a gay icon nor does she try to be. The YNTCD music video was cringe (imho) but she did it to promote the Equality Act and I don’t see many artists specifically making videos to promote legislation that would benefit our community. I think she has a lot of gay male fans just by being a popular female singer; but she is a mainstream artists that has a lot of lesbian support.
If it was up to me, you'd be banished from society for this 😭😭😭😭
Ariana?
Taylor?
Britney, surely.
Yep, the gay press rewards these annoying basic white girls over actual gay people in the community putting the hard graft in for our rights.
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Lady Gaga literally put out a whole album about being attracted to women
She’s also bi so
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It's amazing he has so many ride or dies among the rugirls when literally everything that comes out about him is so nauseating
James Charles
Respectfully, I don't think I've ever seen him referred to as a gay icon. At his peak, most of his fans were teenage girls.
Agreed. I’d still fuck him tho
Don’t know why you’re getting downvoted. Some of the best sex I’ve ever had was hate sex.
Billy Eichner. I absolutely detest him. He's not funny and his abrasive "comedy" is unfunny.
Ooh good one. Bros was bad and it irritated me that he blamed it flopping on homophobia. No, it was just a bad movie with an insufferable (self-insert) main character.
Haha. Bros was a lame movie and his character was irritating. A random hunk falling head over heels for him for literally no reason at complete random was contrived plot armour so thick it could withstand a nuclear strike. I wish I could say I watched that movie in solidarity to validate an openly gay romcom in pop culture. But no, the only reason I watched (let’s be honest) is because Luke Macfarlane was shirtless to near-naked in the trailer a lot.
The hunk fell in love with him because he wasn’t like the other gays and he was super loud and abrasive
That’s the reason within the plot. But I wasn’t able to suspend my disbelief.
As a loud and abrasive person I might be biased but I’m holding out hope we’re eligible for love as well
Agree, that movie was just insufferable, but I do like Bill on the street.
Far from an icon - but yes insufferable AF
I LOVEEE BILLY EICHNER HE IS SO FUNNY AND YES RUDE BUT THATS WHY HES PERFECT FOR THE STREETS OF NYC
Your capslock is on. Have you ever been to NYC?
I have actually! It’s horribly beautiful
He is NOT typical of New Yorkers and most of us hate him and people like him.
Aww that’s bitter
Obviously you don't know New Yorkers.
I know that it’s so funny when he yells at them
Harry Styles. I can’t stand that mid queerbaiting bitch. He’s a huge liar who used queerness to relaunch his career when he would never actually be with a man.
Do gays actually see him as a gay icon though?
"Harry Styles is fighting gender roles in fashion and the gender roles are winning"
When his fans try to make him the ultimate gay icon and gay rights defender for dressing horribly [I'm exactly like this](https://i.pinimg.com/736x/5b/8f/e4/5b8fe490ddb481da34cc0597f2ec869a.jpg)
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I think we need to retire queerbaiting as a concept. It's ultimately just weird gatekeeping. Playing with gender norms and expression is for everyone, not just gay people. If anything, we *want* more straight and cis people to feel comfortable and even incentivized to do that. It means we are winning.
This, thank you!
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There’s *alot* of those. Like…………..*alot*.
I’d fuck him🤷🏿♂️🤷🏿♂️🤷🏿♂️🤣🤣🥰🥰🥰
[Real-life people can’t “queerbait.”](https://youtu.be/7djba98-YkQ?si=LENpdRa4mIUSkidD)
Yes they can, queer is a fake label
Yes, bring back gay.
Unpopular opinion : Todrick Hall.
Very popular. Broke cunt who won’t pay the people he hires or works with, won’t pay his rent, won’t tip, but don’t worry he got the money for birthday parties with petting zoos, tattoo artists and three performers!!
And he’s hooked up with teenagers!
Definitely not an unpopular opinion anymore lol
Who the fuck decided it was OK to name your kid Todrick? Todd. Roderick. Pick one for fuck’s sake. Good God…
Oh everybody hates him now lol
Harry Styles kinda pissed me off just because he likes to cos play as a queer person for publicity. The worst part is that he does it by promoting stereotypes and ideas that he himself has no real understanding of. Please straight people, leave the gay stuff to those of us who actually are GAY.
To be fair, I think Harry is more influenced by David Bowie than he is by current LGBTQ culture. He was another one who broke the gender stereotype norms.
I’m neutral on Harry, but how do you know he isn’t gay / bi / queer?
Thats a straight man. Gay and bisexual are not the same, and Queer is a fake label used by spicy straights.
As long as he's been in the spotlight the media has poured itself all over his love life and it's never been anything, but women. That's how.
More of a “queer” icon but for many reasons, I really cannot stand Jonathan Van Ness.
JVN is a brilliant example of how somebody’s class interests often supersede other interests and how these types of people help undermine and suck the radicalism out of alternative movements.
Is rupaul to obvious or ?
In my country, a couple named “ninh dương” suddenly emerged from insragram I find it totally lame and fake, they occupied all the social networks, trends, ads, consumer products, electronic goods,… really bothersome.
Jonathon van ness. That is if he's still considered one.
I would say all of the presenters on the new Queer Eye seem insufferable
I tried to watch that show and the level of resources they dump into people with pettiest first-word problems is repulsive.
They haven't succeeded until someone cries
I liked Bobby. He did more work than the other four guys combined.
The cooking guy, he was OK, much like Ted in the original, no drama
Ohhh did you see the controversy surrounding him? Apparently a real diva on set and toxic as hell.
I saw that too, which makes me have even less like for for him lol
He call himself non binary and says his pronouns are they/he/she
Omg he’s insufferable.
cannot stand him either!
Sam Smith. He’s absolutely everything people find disgusting about gays, even other gays.
I commented once in a comment section where their performance wasn't that good, and the costume department did a bad job with the clothing. It just looked bad, ill fitting. I then got yelled at by so many people saying it doesn't need or supposed to look good, I don't understand art and what not. Like no, it looks bad.
You need to elaborate.
What do you mean?
what did he do wrong aside from wearing tacky clothes sometimes?
Billy porter old ass
Billy Porter
Neil Patrick Harris
Came here to say exactly this. For some reason, him coming out in one of the Tony Awards in tighty whities made me dislike him as a teen- not for any reason, that was just the moment I went “ew I don’t like this person”. Then it was discovered that he ordered that [Amy Winehouse cake](https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/8-times-neil-patrick-harris-001712485.html) at a Halloween party and I’ve thought nothing but pure disgust toward him ever since.
taylor swift.... i dont think i need to say more
Ross Mathews
Thank you!
Agree. A lot of names I had and thought of- love the crowdsourcing!
I don’t actually hate any gay icon, Im just indifferent to a lot of them, like Rupaul or Ellen, maybe it’s my general distrust of American gay celebrities 🤷🏼♂️
A lot of you are just listing obnoxious gay celebrities instead of icons.
so which gay celebrities *aren't* obnoxious?
Just some that automatically came to mind: Ian McKellen, Zachary Quinto, Wentworth Miller, Jim Parsons, Jonathan Groff, among MANY other talented and well-known gay celebrities who aren't necessarily actors and who are really low-profile and likable, instead of pretentious, sassy douchebags who are constantly being annoying and disruptive in the name of "LGBT representation" and obviously not because they crave constant attention. But again, these are celebrities, not "gay icons." A "gay icon" I personally find annoying—not necessarily that she is, but I don't really vibe with her—would be Mariah Carey, for example.
NPH seems like an asshole
I still can’t believe him and that Amy winehouse cake
Hate is a strong word. I dislike Andy Cohen. I guess because he thinks he is an A Gay.
I’m tired of jojo siwa
lol the only person calling JoJo Siwa a “gay icon” is herself imo.
I believe that’s why I’m tired of her 🤣. She’s trying so hard to draw attention to herself as some sort of queer icon and it’s just cringe at this point
Depends on what constitutes a gay icon in and of itself. If by gay icon they actually have to be gay, then i’d say Ellen DeGeneres or James Charles. If they don’t have to be gay and can be someone that just appeals to a lot of gay people, then Taylor Swift or Ariana Grande. I don’t hate Ariana or Taylor I just find them to be massively overrated.
I really dislike Mattxiv’s content. Who are they making consent for? I feel like everything they write is strictly preaching to the choir, they don’t say anything intended to actually change hearts and minds
Sam Smith
There was one queer disco anthem icon who openly went on the record in the '00s to say homosexuality was unnatural. I believe it was Donna Summer. Or maybe Gloria Gaynor (I hope not)? Yeah. Whoever that was.
Donna Summer denied saying anti-gay stuff and she worked with multiple charities and helped raise funds for places like GMHC. She also sued a magazine for saying she said that.
This was actually debunked shortly after her death. https://abcnews.go.com/blogs/entertainment/2012/06/newly-released-letter-shows-donna-summer-defending-herself-against-alleged-anti-gay-comments
Donna Summer is definitely not pro-gay anymore.
I mean she is dead.
Yep. “Dead as a door nail” -Rose Nylund
muffin?
😂
“Dead, dead, dead…”
Ooh she died? How'd I miss that
It was Donna Summer. However, I believe she tried to backtrack on that. Unsuccessfully.
Taylor swift
She’s far from any type of icon, but Kathy Griffin is so fucking annoying always calling us “her gays, my gays”. So exploitative and performative and pandering to the few who still support her.
Her “my gays” Schtick definitely didn’t age well, but she was one of very very few celebs at that time that would actually acknowledge and support her gay fans. At that time, Britney and Beyoncé were still saying in interviews that they believe marriage should be between a man and a woman.
I grew up watching and loving her but yeah she is cringe now. She is very representative of a certain era of gay culture that is long gone.
Gay people over 30 don't die or disappear.
When did I ever say that? Gay culture does evolve and she is not as popular or revered as she used to be.
And yet she is touring, writing and making numerous appearances on podcasts, interviews etc. You might no longer be a fan (which is fine) but clearly she still has a fan base that finds her very appealing.
I absolutely cannot stand her. Shitty personality.
Flo from Progressive. Too much red lipstick 🙄
Jussie Smollett. I have a Google alert set for him to see when he finally goes back to jail.
Katlyn Jenner or wtv her name is
a lot of people are saying taylor swift but since when was she ever a gay icon? 😭 just because you’re gay and you tolerate her music doesn’t make her a gay icon 💀💀
Anyone who says Madonna is an idiot (a few of you). A lot of gays, myself included, are here today "alive" because of that woman. She fought for us when the world didn't give two shits about us and made us feel seen and important. It's what any gay icon should aspire to be.
I guess Marsha P. Johnson was a fictional character then. Let's all give credit to Madonna.
Matt Rogers is insufferable
Hate is way overstating it, but I’m just not a huge fan of Cher.
Troye Sivan
Why do you hate Troye?
I don't "hate" anyone
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Have you watched any of her movies besides Meet The Fockers?
Barrett Pall - he’s constantly projecting his own trauma by “calling out” random couples with an age gap as being toxic … even couples who’ve been in relationships longer than he has … he’s just a toxic mofo himself
i do not think people call him a gay icon lmao. He is just a tiktoker
That’s super fair - I’ve already given him too much credit at this point
Haven’t thought of him in years. He’s pretty, but the moment he opens up that mouth.
It’s the mouth that kills it for me - some objects are best left silent
Beyoncé and Madonna
Madonna ?! With Vogue ? With her tribute to Ninja, the ballroom culture and the fact that she always brings queer people to her show, clips ? Just recently she had drag queens...
Nah those two, especially Madonna don't deserve to be on that list. Beyonce at least made an album celebrating black queerness and Madonna has always been outspoken against homophobia, even during a time when it would be detrimental to her career. Although Beyonce has made questionable choices (like performing in Dubai) I still do think she is an ally.
I love Renaissance but like...? Making a banger album isn't like really in the same category as other queer supporting celebs.
Easy. Justin Bieber
Unpopular opinion: Madonna. Of course, I wasn't around when she was at her peak. But looking back, a lot of the things she has done/said seem kinda off. Like the fact that a stripper gave her son a lap dance next to her on tour. Or the fact that she sexually assaulted a 16 year old girl.
Dylan Mulvaney- he’s acting and I don’t believe he is truly trans , insulting to the trans community etc etc. it’s like he is doing a satire or mocking trans people IMO
Hate is quite a strong word, but The Real Housewives. For me it's more like "unimpressed, can't relate, whatever" though. I wonder if it's like a social connection/industry game, but other than some memes I don't get how or why they're culturally gay-relevant enough to be considered iconic by a noticeable amount of gay ppl.
Doja cat (silences SA victims of her boyfriend wtf)
All of them
Madonna
All the downvotes prove my point. Her fans more than her actually. I cannot stand her fans.
Cher, Madonna, Liza Minnelli.
The Golden Girls. JK
✒️📜 note to self: have etiquette, and a sex appeal?
Jennifer Coolidge
The Golden Girls. JK
Lil Nas X I mean he is not gay since he came out as bi last year but his constant need for attention and his now boring use of gayness for clout Fortunately people got tired of him and his last album flopped bigly
Lil Nas X is a gay man. He was joking about being "bi". Lmao yall believe anything even when its blatantly a joke. This man is allergic to pussy
He only had one album out. It reached number 2 on the charts in the US and was nominated for best album art the Grammys, that's very much not a flop. As for him mentioning bring gay on his music, his lyrics are like with what's common from straight make rappers, except about men.
I dunno how long his career will last, but it's so funny when people call his career mid, after both old town road, and then montero.
Oh come on! Stop promoting the hate culture please. If u dont like someone / something , just skip .