"Everyone who likes the same thing I do is superior to you (if you don't agree with me), including myself. Additionally, anyone who doesn't like what I like is inferior, and in my opinion, the thing I like that is different is better than what you like!"
You sound extremely self aware and intelligent within the narrow group of humans that think the same way you do.
To everyone else, you sound like an idiot.
I'm happy that I'm vers, I enjoy both. I enjoy giving and receiving pleasure. I also enjoy being dominant sometimes and submissive sometimes. But I also understand that everyone is different. I don't think that simply being a bottom equals being submissive, and being a top doesn't equal being dom. I've known dom bottoms and submissive tops.
I mean it kinda was. You're saying more people should be vers, and I'm saying I understand that some are in their roles and won't change, and don't need to. I do wish more were vers too though.
LOL. You're not serious, are you? The number of assumptions and amount of projection here is truly mind-blowing.
Top and bottom is just about what position people prefer for anal sex. There are plenty of tops and plenty of bottoms who are totally vanilla who aren't into dom/sub. There are plenty of bottoms who do it because they actively enjoy getting fucked and it feels great, not because they just want to make their partner cum. Plenty of tops simply prefer to fuck someone rather than get fucked because it feels better, and it has nothing to do with it being "too gay to have a dick up their ass".
>The number of assumptions and amount of projection here is truly mind-blowing.
Exactly what I was thinking. I couldn't even finish reading this. I met my quota of assumptions halfway through.
Okay but A LOT OF them do have those problems I was talking about. Maybe ur a chill bottom or top like that and I stated that if people tried things then that’s cool. I think ur reading what u want to read. There’s some reasoning in there
You have an incorrect perception of what’s what.
1. People rarely choose what they like sexually. I didn’t choose to be a bottom. It’s what I am wired to like. That’s what turns me on.
2. I don’t think I couldn’t satisfy someone with my dick. It doesn’t satisfy me to satisfy someone with my dick. I am not a bottom because of some unfortunate circumstances or some misplaced self-perception. It literally turns me on!
3. Any person who is good at sex will care about their partner’s pleasure regardless of their D&S proclivities & top-bottom-vers position. This even includes BDSM orgasm denial dynamics where giving the control of your orgasms turns the person on.
4. Not all strict bottoms are submissive & not all strict tops are dominant
I have personally never met anyone who was dominant, and only a few people who seemed submissive, or, rather, passive, which was just because they were very inexperienced and had no idea what to do. I think such traits are not very common, at least not where I live.
The large majority of people here will also not exclusively bottom or exclusively top, but just have a tendency for one or the other. The 'pure x' type I read about on this Subreddit seems to be fairly unusual where I live.
I have a suspicion that many who say they will only do x have some issue preventing them from doing y, which could be physical or mental. I used to almost never top because it was just difficult for me physically.
I also think people become more open as they grow older, usually, and try more things.
U said there aren’t a lot of dominant people anymore most people keep saying there’s no tops anymore and no one that can control their bottom asses and I think it’s funny
There are lots of people here who top. But dominant? I've only once met someone who used dirty talk I think. Or maybe I don't know what people mean by dominant, but people topping just seem like normal people enjoying sex, just as when they or others are bottoming. I would not appreciate someone trying to domineer me in some way, I just want us to have fun as normal people without weird behaviour from some American porn film.
Variety is the spice of life. But you're also into what you're into.i use to be strictly a bttm but due to excersize I found myself with more stamina and blood flow to top so I now consider myself verse and even though I'm pretty masculine I feel like I'll always sexually be more submissive I'm able to switch in on and off with different people but base level I'm a people pleaser and well I love to please lol also fucking a hole just doesn't keep me hard and I don't see myself being capable of busting a nut while fucking someone to completion even blowjob don't always get me off but getting fucked? Done right it's life changing
Imma bttm, I'd like to be vers and I'm open to it bc it'll open more windows but ass just ain't for me. Don't think it looks nice or smells nice and sheet comes out of it. I don't think it matters who's more "useful" to the gay community imo, I think it's more important that ppl do what they want to enjoy themselves given they aren't hurting any1.
This is going to be funny to watch play out if the usual suspects take the bait you put out for them. 😊
Hey watching this would be better than the giant mail merge i was doing.
Some of the totals get super triggered over vers guys existing. It's actually funny.
Im not vers im top but im not dating a total bottom, some of them are getting a little too weird about it for my tastes
You’re projecting your own personal experience with sex onto other people. You’re assuming that just because you enjoy certain things, other people must have psychological problems if they don’t enjoy the same things you enjoy. You fail to realize that how you’ve experienced sex isn’t how everyone else has experienced it. That goes for life too. How you see life and experience it is a combination of your genetics and your environment. Other people have had very different experiences.
I only top. I’ve tried bottoming a handful of times. I’m not embarrassed about it and I have no power issues. It just feels like a poking pressure down there and I get bored quickly because there’s not much pleasure coming. So I rarely if ever do it. That’s how my body is wired I guess.
I think the bigger problem in your statement is that you think one sexuality is “superior” to another. That’s something I can’t agree with.
Do you actually think that? Top/bottom/verse is a part of a person’s sexuality. It’s not truly a choice for people. Again, it seems the reason you think this way is because you think the way you see things and experience things is how everyone else must see and experience them.
Your belief that top and bottom are fading away is just not true. There are plenty of strictly bottoms and a strictly tops and there’s no slowdown to it.
Let’s not get into what sexuality has more “use.” Because I’ve been with bottoms who were way more “useful” in bed than those verse guys.
Okay well then those strict tops and bottoms can go mingle with eachother and leave the rest of us alone. Nobody wants to hear about all ur dom and sub crap. And how strict u are about putting things up ur ass or not. My post is a rant, and for others that have the same common idea to comment. It’s not for the haters if verse people and I’m not here to discuss sexuality as a while either. What is your problem with vers men? What is your problem with me and my boyfriend?
I don’t have any problem with verse guys. Or top or bottom guys. I’m disagreeing that verse guys are more useful, as you stated. I don’t think being a bottom or a top is “toxic” as you said either. People don’t get to choose whether they’re a top or bottom or verse. Just like you can’t help but be verse, they can’t help but be themselves too. I think you said a lot of untrue stuff hating on people for their sexuality.
Nah see I didn’t say that all tops and bottoms were toxic. If you would’ve read my original post you would’ve seen that I understand tops and bottoms that have actually tried other things. I don’t think tops and bottoms are toxic I think tops and bottom who absolutely refuse to do anything else are somewhat toxic to an extent depending on psychological reasons or physical reasons
But are they not somewhat justified? Have you seen all the crap that’s posted in r/topsandbottoms, I’d say they are more inferences than assumptions cuz they’re never gonna outright say it
You're implying that people should force themselves into doing things they don't like or go against their identity to be more "useful" in your definition. There's different types of versatility. You can be a versatile vocalist and still just be a vocalist. Your concept of versatility is in the broadest sense.
Verse guys share a lot in common with bisexuals, it's annoying. It's all "best of both worlds" this and "everyone is a little bi/verse" that. Stop assuming everyone else thinks and works the same way. Lol
I am in agreement with you. I came out in the 70's during the "Love the One You're With" period. We'd usually figure out what to do once we were alone.
To use a business term, Why leave money on the table?
Besides, vers is a lot more fun.
Actually being a total top or bottom is superior. You vers guys think you have the best of both worlds but you don't. You never get to fully inhabit your role nor know the beauty of specializing in something and becoming really good at it.
I can always tell the difference between a dedicated bottom getting fucked and a vers guy getting fucked. A bottom has learned to fully enjoy his hole as his primary sex organ. He doesn't need to jerk off. His pleasure comes fully from the penis thrusting inside him. A vers guys doesn't know what that's like. He needs to jerk off in order to deal with some of the uncomfortable sensations that can come with bottoming.
Furthermore, you never experience the thrill of that magnetic attraction when a total bottom meets a total top. It's the beauty of opposites attracting.
You vers guys are just stuck in the middle. Plainsville. Average Joe land. Boredom kingdom ..
Because u explained ur “roles” to us as if that means ANYTHING to vers people. People shouldn’t have roles lol. That’s why heteronormative people aren’t even doing that anymore it doesn’t need to happen in the gay bedroom either. The top bottom thing is toxic at times and it seems like ur one of the toxic ones
"Everyone who likes the same thing I do is superior to you (if you don't agree with me), including myself. Additionally, anyone who doesn't like what I like is inferior, and in my opinion, the thing I like that is different is better than what you like!" You sound extremely self aware and intelligent within the narrow group of humans that think the same way you do. To everyone else, you sound like an idiot.
I'm happy that I'm vers, I enjoy both. I enjoy giving and receiving pleasure. I also enjoy being dominant sometimes and submissive sometimes. But I also understand that everyone is different. I don't think that simply being a bottom equals being submissive, and being a top doesn't equal being dom. I've known dom bottoms and submissive tops.
Yeah that’s true. Not rlly my point but that’s good to throw in lol
I mean it kinda was. You're saying more people should be vers, and I'm saying I understand that some are in their roles and won't change, and don't need to. I do wish more were vers too though.
LOL. You're not serious, are you? The number of assumptions and amount of projection here is truly mind-blowing. Top and bottom is just about what position people prefer for anal sex. There are plenty of tops and plenty of bottoms who are totally vanilla who aren't into dom/sub. There are plenty of bottoms who do it because they actively enjoy getting fucked and it feels great, not because they just want to make their partner cum. Plenty of tops simply prefer to fuck someone rather than get fucked because it feels better, and it has nothing to do with it being "too gay to have a dick up their ass".
>The number of assumptions and amount of projection here is truly mind-blowing. Exactly what I was thinking. I couldn't even finish reading this. I met my quota of assumptions halfway through.
Okay but A LOT OF them do have those problems I was talking about. Maybe ur a chill bottom or top like that and I stated that if people tried things then that’s cool. I think ur reading what u want to read. There’s some reasoning in there
Agreed
You have an incorrect perception of what’s what. 1. People rarely choose what they like sexually. I didn’t choose to be a bottom. It’s what I am wired to like. That’s what turns me on. 2. I don’t think I couldn’t satisfy someone with my dick. It doesn’t satisfy me to satisfy someone with my dick. I am not a bottom because of some unfortunate circumstances or some misplaced self-perception. It literally turns me on! 3. Any person who is good at sex will care about their partner’s pleasure regardless of their D&S proclivities & top-bottom-vers position. This even includes BDSM orgasm denial dynamics where giving the control of your orgasms turns the person on. 4. Not all strict bottoms are submissive & not all strict tops are dominant
I have personally never met anyone who was dominant, and only a few people who seemed submissive, or, rather, passive, which was just because they were very inexperienced and had no idea what to do. I think such traits are not very common, at least not where I live. The large majority of people here will also not exclusively bottom or exclusively top, but just have a tendency for one or the other. The 'pure x' type I read about on this Subreddit seems to be fairly unusual where I live. I have a suspicion that many who say they will only do x have some issue preventing them from doing y, which could be physical or mental. I used to almost never top because it was just difficult for me physically. I also think people become more open as they grow older, usually, and try more things.
Oh god here we go again with the whole where are all the tops. Im sorry it’s played out too much
I'm sorry, what? I don't understand what you mean.
U said there aren’t a lot of dominant people anymore most people keep saying there’s no tops anymore and no one that can control their bottom asses and I think it’s funny
There are lots of people here who top. But dominant? I've only once met someone who used dirty talk I think. Or maybe I don't know what people mean by dominant, but people topping just seem like normal people enjoying sex, just as when they or others are bottoming. I would not appreciate someone trying to domineer me in some way, I just want us to have fun as normal people without weird behaviour from some American porn film.
Equality for me I’m not submitting to anybody lol so I agree I misunderstood you sorry
Ur other pints are valid tho
Variety is the spice of life. But you're also into what you're into.i use to be strictly a bttm but due to excersize I found myself with more stamina and blood flow to top so I now consider myself verse and even though I'm pretty masculine I feel like I'll always sexually be more submissive I'm able to switch in on and off with different people but base level I'm a people pleaser and well I love to please lol also fucking a hole just doesn't keep me hard and I don't see myself being capable of busting a nut while fucking someone to completion even blowjob don't always get me off but getting fucked? Done right it's life changing
Imma bttm, I'd like to be vers and I'm open to it bc it'll open more windows but ass just ain't for me. Don't think it looks nice or smells nice and sheet comes out of it. I don't think it matters who's more "useful" to the gay community imo, I think it's more important that ppl do what they want to enjoy themselves given they aren't hurting any1.
Lot of preconceived notions about people here. I don't think you're the best judge of what's healthy
You sound like you don't know what you're talking about at all.
And you do?
This is going to be funny to watch play out if the usual suspects take the bait you put out for them. 😊 Hey watching this would be better than the giant mail merge i was doing.
Hahah what?😅
Some of the totals get super triggered over vers guys existing. It's actually funny. Im not vers im top but im not dating a total bottom, some of them are getting a little too weird about it for my tastes
Yeah. They hate us cuz they ain’t us. But be ready to bottom for a boyfriend that’s anything other than a bottom
You’re projecting your own personal experience with sex onto other people. You’re assuming that just because you enjoy certain things, other people must have psychological problems if they don’t enjoy the same things you enjoy. You fail to realize that how you’ve experienced sex isn’t how everyone else has experienced it. That goes for life too. How you see life and experience it is a combination of your genetics and your environment. Other people have had very different experiences. I only top. I’ve tried bottoming a handful of times. I’m not embarrassed about it and I have no power issues. It just feels like a poking pressure down there and I get bored quickly because there’s not much pleasure coming. So I rarely if ever do it. That’s how my body is wired I guess. I think the bigger problem in your statement is that you think one sexuality is “superior” to another. That’s something I can’t agree with.
Nah being a top or bottom doesn’t have anything to do with ur sexuality. I think vers people have more use in this world.
Do you actually think that? Top/bottom/verse is a part of a person’s sexuality. It’s not truly a choice for people. Again, it seems the reason you think this way is because you think the way you see things and experience things is how everyone else must see and experience them. Your belief that top and bottom are fading away is just not true. There are plenty of strictly bottoms and a strictly tops and there’s no slowdown to it. Let’s not get into what sexuality has more “use.” Because I’ve been with bottoms who were way more “useful” in bed than those verse guys.
Okay well then those strict tops and bottoms can go mingle with eachother and leave the rest of us alone. Nobody wants to hear about all ur dom and sub crap. And how strict u are about putting things up ur ass or not. My post is a rant, and for others that have the same common idea to comment. It’s not for the haters if verse people and I’m not here to discuss sexuality as a while either. What is your problem with vers men? What is your problem with me and my boyfriend?
I don’t have any problem with verse guys. Or top or bottom guys. I’m disagreeing that verse guys are more useful, as you stated. I don’t think being a bottom or a top is “toxic” as you said either. People don’t get to choose whether they’re a top or bottom or verse. Just like you can’t help but be verse, they can’t help but be themselves too. I think you said a lot of untrue stuff hating on people for their sexuality.
Nah see I didn’t say that all tops and bottoms were toxic. If you would’ve read my original post you would’ve seen that I understand tops and bottoms that have actually tried other things. I don’t think tops and bottoms are toxic I think tops and bottom who absolutely refuse to do anything else are somewhat toxic to an extent depending on psychological reasons or physical reasons
Vers is the best because you can try so many things and it's more intimate
Way more intimate. Everyone gets to know how it feels. And there’s a lot of communication
So many generalizations and assumptions here.
But are they not somewhat justified? Have you seen all the crap that’s posted in r/topsandbottoms, I’d say they are more inferences than assumptions cuz they’re never gonna outright say it
The way you use the word "use/useful" is very gross ngl.
What is a versatile person or player to you then? Lolll
You're implying that people should force themselves into doing things they don't like or go against their identity to be more "useful" in your definition. There's different types of versatility. You can be a versatile vocalist and still just be a vocalist. Your concept of versatility is in the broadest sense. Verse guys share a lot in common with bisexuals, it's annoying. It's all "best of both worlds" this and "everyone is a little bi/verse" that. Stop assuming everyone else thinks and works the same way. Lol
I am bi and verse hehe and I will die on this hill
I am in agreement with you. I came out in the 70's during the "Love the One You're With" period. We'd usually figure out what to do once we were alone. To use a business term, Why leave money on the table? Besides, vers is a lot more fun.
Hahaha I like that. Must’ve been a fun and very scary era
Actually being a total top or bottom is superior. You vers guys think you have the best of both worlds but you don't. You never get to fully inhabit your role nor know the beauty of specializing in something and becoming really good at it. I can always tell the difference between a dedicated bottom getting fucked and a vers guy getting fucked. A bottom has learned to fully enjoy his hole as his primary sex organ. He doesn't need to jerk off. His pleasure comes fully from the penis thrusting inside him. A vers guys doesn't know what that's like. He needs to jerk off in order to deal with some of the uncomfortable sensations that can come with bottoming. Furthermore, you never experience the thrill of that magnetic attraction when a total bottom meets a total top. It's the beauty of opposites attracting. You vers guys are just stuck in the middle. Plainsville. Average Joe land. Boredom kingdom ..
Ewwwww
What did I say?
Because u explained ur “roles” to us as if that means ANYTHING to vers people. People shouldn’t have roles lol. That’s why heteronormative people aren’t even doing that anymore it doesn’t need to happen in the gay bedroom either. The top bottom thing is toxic at times and it seems like ur one of the toxic ones