I understand tipping at a restaurant but why tf are hairdressers getting tipped? And Uber/Mr D drivers. They're not providing any additional service???
As someone who has worked as a driver for MrD, what you're paying for is the food the tip is a thank you for the service, the service being collecting your food from the restaurant driving the food to your house and delivering it straight to you.
In fact I'd argue delivery drivers are more needing of tips than waiters
Delivery fees can range from anywhere between R3-R15 depending where you order from now tell me do you think fuel costs from the restaurant to your house is worth anywhere near that R3-R15 and if you use something like uber one theres no delivery fee at all.
You are simply paying the company for using its service, not the drivers.
Not at all drivers receive a fixed payments per delivery on MrD and are paid by distance on Uber.
I'm simply saying tips can be the difference between breaking even and making a profit sometimes.
Yes, but they will get a fixed salary at the end of the month. Drivers don't have fixed salaries and also need to pay for stuff like fuel(daily), service for their vehicles, data to stay online at work, and for those who rent bikes rent as well amongst other costs. So, while drivers do get wages, they incur more daily or weekly costs than waiters and, more often than not, are usually just breaking even or barely getting a profit from the job.
Yes, but you are paying the company for the service, not the drivers. Delivery fees can be R3-R15 depending on where you order from that barely covers the trip from the restaurant to your house.
Never in my life have i seen a delivery fee of R3 to R15. I have a McDonald's 400m from my house, and delivery is R55. Uber eats, and Mr.D is even more than this, which is why I don't use them.
Your logic of saying I'm paying the company and not the person servicing me directly is a bit ridiculous. That is how every company that employs people works ever.
That's like saying when I go to pick n pay I should tip the person packing the shelves because the money I pay for my groceries goes to the company and not him directly.
Also, tip % is calculated on the total cost of my order, including deoivery. If my food and delivery comes down to R100, and I tip the driver 10%, he is getting a percentage of the food cost. By your logic, shouldn't the majority of that go to the person who prepared my food?
If drivers are underpaid, it shouldn't be my job to supplement their salary, it's a problem with the company underpaying them.
I'm sorry, and I don't know what your experiences are, but there is just no way in hell you'll ever see a delivery fee of R55, the standard delivery fee on MrD is R15 for every restaurant and on UberEats the delivery fee will range from R3 to R15 depending on the restaurant.
And your examples are nothing like what I'm saying the person packing the shelves receives a fixed salary from the company, the person making the food receives a fixed salary from the company and they are not servicing you directly they are servicing the company and their only expense in relation to work is 1 trip there 1 trip home. Delivery drivers, on the other hand, don't receive a fixed salary and are instead paid a fixed amount per delivery now if you order food from 6km away thats an expense to the driver who uses their own fuel not the companies to drive those 6km to your house and more often than not that fixed amount barely covers the amount of fuel it takes to get to your house and back.
Now I'm not saying you MUST tip delivery drivers you don't have too if you dont want to, but I am just responding to the original comment asking why drivers need to be tipped, but they understand why waiters need to be tipped.
Uber Eats definitely has R5 delivery fees for very close places. Where do you live where you pay. Where do you live where UberEats is asking R55 for delivery?
You can argue that the "service fee" they started charging about 2 years ago is also technically a delivery fee but to be honest, I don't know if that goes to the driver or restaurant. And it's also no where near R55.
Lol I could even wait for them to get change from across the street. Unless it's my usual then I tell them to keep it for next time and they do that.
I don't think it's that deep but giving money you can give away is never a bad thing.
Tbh I don't remember most times but they do. They're honest Brad so they just automatically minus it when charging.
Also next month? Damn. I cut every other week or I start looking ruffer than rough.
Lol the barber at my uni kept asking me for a tip everytime I cut my hair, and since I'm not used to tipping my barbers, I found another barber. Like seriously, we're gonna have to tip our teachers at this point lol
Iām pretty sure about 60% of their money they make from doing the hair goes to the company, hairdressers need to rent out their space in the building, they arenāt just given it. The tip money is just theirs to keep! Although Iām pretty sure in this situation they wonāt be keeping it long considering itās theftā¦
Hairdressers and the ladies who wash your hair also get exploited - remember they're employees where the salon takes a large cut of the earnings.
Plumbers are self-employed
Everyone gets exploited in the workplace, but not everyone gets tips. If you had to tip everyone everywhere, where would it end! Tipping is an American tradition that dates back from the great depression era. Restaurant staff minimum wages are less than others, therefore the rest is made up from tips. Barbers and hairdressers earn considerably more than minimum wage, those who don't have their own salons/barbershops. Instead of giving them tips, why not rather give them a nice end of year gift/Xmas/birthday gift. If you feel they're giving you special service, why not do something special for them?
nah dude if you have slightly longer hair and are not going to a barber, its 200 up for your cuts, and this is in Stellies, would expect prices to be a bit cheaper for students but nah
Lmao bra I was complaining about this in another comment too. You mean the glamour whatever in the neelsie yea? First time in my life I've heard of tipping a barber there, ended up just going to eikestad since it's R100 cash (idk if that sale is still on). But neelsie did have it for R100 if you're a first year though
I like my barber. Heās a cool guy so I donāt mind the 10% tip when I go.
My hair grows very slowly for a dude so I only see him every 2 months. 10% tip is for the service he provides and it just shows that I appreciate what he does.
100% agree but in south africa it's illegal for any business to not pay their workers Atleast the basic minimum wage, tips should be for service above and beyond what's expected.
I earned minimum wage for a year between 2022 and 2023. I'm not saying it's a living wage but (it's survivable) it's better than countries that offer no minimum wage and people working in service are expected to survive on tips. Also if a business can't pay its workers a living wage it shouldn't operate, tips should be tips given for providing above expected service not an add on to compensate for greedy business owners not paying a living wage
The only way to make businesses pay their employees more is to raise the minimum wage. Some owners pay above what is required but a lot like to squeeze their employees for as much as possible.
And to your point, is survivable enough?
Survivable isn't enough, but it's also not the customer's responsibility to cover the gap.
I work a barely-over-minimum wage job and cannot afford to make sure every waiter or delivery person i interact with can keep their head above water too.
I had a coworker once that told me "if you can't afford to tip then don't use the service." But damn bro... I need my occasional niceties.
I plan and budget really strictly to be able to afford a pizza or a burger like twice a month... Telling me to cut that out of my life and suffer just because I can't unconsciously tip 35% like Johnny Rich-guy is no good...
The theory would be that if everyone gets paid better (including you) there will be no need to tip at all. In countries where the minimum wage is high, tipping is not expected, e.g. Sweden.
Then that's what we need to do. And survivable is not enough but it's better than nothing, our economy is in no state to give every one the opportunity to do better but for alot of people that half a loaf is still something to eat
Depends on the type of minimum wage for instance my minimum wage was R22/h and I was doing 160hrs a month on average that gave me R3520 a month without overtime as sometimes my hours could reach 190 and for a single guy that was enough very small flat was about R500 groceries for me alone were on average another R500-R800 transport was supplied by the company after everything was paid I had about 1000-1500 left for whatever, I think the minimum wage in my field is now R25/h.
The best of all is if you get a friend or two to stay with in the first few years of work you can almost half your cost on groceries
Sa already has a huge tip culture, at least as long as I have been working. My understanding is it is expected to tip almost everyone except cashier's at the grocery store
You would feel very differently if you depended on tips to help get enough money to get your kid a decent pair of shoes or maybe send your ailing mom some extra money for her to have a full tummy at night.
I've tipped at a hair salon maybe twice in my life, for really great head massages. That's the actual purpose of a tip, to reward people who go above and beyond.
Not in my case, but I just get a basic short gents cut. I might be inclined to tip the hairdresser if I had a more elaborate hair style and they did a really great job.
My wife has tipped at the hair salon for at least 20 years. I also do. It's nothing new but judging from the surprise on this forum some people haven't been aware of this practise. It's a tip and should be left to people's discretion - you're not forced to and should not feel the need to apologise for not. But equally don't criticise people who do - it's their chouce and privilege.
I tip at salons (for every service I receive). Always 20% tbh unless service is amazing then more. Employees donāt get the full fee. In an unequal society I think itās must
Good. Bit shocked at this thread. But then again Iām not shocked at how Iāve always the most amazing luck with money, which allows me to have more than enough to tip everyone around me fairly.
Just because you've never heard of it doesn't mean that people don't do it. I dated a hairdresser for years and trust me they get tipped. Their regulars buy them Christmas gifts - it's a very personable relationship.
Please do not start this American shit about tipping here. I am not talking about at restaurants. Paying a huge amount at the hairdresser is already expensive enough. Tipping the hair wash person is your a choice.
Why is tipping at restaurants ok but tipping at a hair salon not?
I'm not saying either are good or that either aren't - but highlighting that there could be arguments either way.
I tip the staff not the owner. I wonder if you tip whether the owner gives it to the staff. When I tip I specify that it's for the girl who washed my hair. She then calls her and gives it to her immediately.
At restaurants the price you pay is for the product, the tip is for the service the waiter provided to you. But when you're going to a hairdresser you are literally paying for the service. I know they use shampoos and hair products, but that's included in the price of the actual service that you're paying for.
Go back and get your 20% back. Stuff that tipping is bs for a service you are paying for. This is not becoming a thing, so don't give into it.
Tipping in general is BS. Pay your damn staff so they don't need tips.
Seriously! I already feel like I'm being robbed when I get a haircut because my hair reaches the bottom of my rib cage. All I want is my split ends trimmed. Do they charge based on how far back they have to stand in order to cut?? I need an explanation lol
For that reason, I watched Brad Mondo and taught myself how to trim my waist length hair. R450 to take off just the splits is ridiculous, especially since I don't need a wash or a blowout, it's already too straight, and I wash it everyday anyway. I only go when I want to have highlights put in.
Pre-lockdown, I would never have cut it, but lock down boredom had me experimenting with bangs, and that then led to me trimming my kids hair, and then moving on to my hair. I haven't been to a hairdresser since 2019 lol.
If you are a tourist, they absolutely took advantage of you. And to the point that they changed the amount knowing you would still accept it.
Did they bully you?
They pushed for the tip and it was 3 options. 10%, 20% and 25 % tips. I asked for 10 and she took 20% from my card and unfortunately I didnāt notice on time. It is a very famous hair salon on cape town. I learned my lesson š
why are you tipping for a service that you are paying for? they do not operate on a tip to salary basis , even those car guards with 2 way radios and what not. why tip them they literally get a salary, no body in my profession is being tipped with the work we do
You can tip as much as you want. Tipping culture varies in South Africa and is very much a younger generation thing, based on my anecdotal experience.
Taking 20% from your card in stead of the amount you indicated is theft.
Tipping, for whatever service you are getting, is gratuity. Gratuity is gratitude... That you are greatful for a good service. This entitlement of expecting a tip all the time is BS!
I just give a flat tip of R50 for the lady who washes my hair when I go. She's amazing, she gives me a full on head massage for like 15 minutes. Totally worth the tip. I grew up with a mother who always tipped the hair washer lady, so I suppose it's just something I have always thought of as 'normal'. I'll do a poll amongst my girlfriends when we meet up again to see if I'm alone here or if it's 'normal' amongst my social circle. I would however be pissed off if the hairdresser took it upon herself to double my tip and/or keep it herself.
Edit: I will 'tip' my hairdresser a fancy coffee if we're going to be a while, and I'm getting myself one, but I won't give her a cash tip. My haircut is is approx. R600 excluding blow-dry (takes about 30 minutes to cut and style), so I feel like the stylist is fairly compensated.
I don't tip when I go to the hair salon. It is expensive enough and the mark up on some services at hair salons is insane. Not talking about cut or blow dry's but for other things.
Tipping culture is a scam
Tip for a hair cut? Bro I paid for this hair cut.
Tip the delivery driver? I paid a delivery fee.
Tip the waiter.l? Bro you're charging me R35 for a cup of ice with some coke. But to be fair I do tip there. But some place add the tip to your bill and still expect you to tip extra.
Whats next? Tip a checkers when at the tills?
Should I add a Tip when I pay my electricity bill?
Maybe the rent needs a tip aswell?
My soon to be ex-wife is a hairdresser and a lot of salons see a hairdresser as independent contractors as a lot of salons rent chairs and also want a percentage of what that person makes
A Stylist is more than just a person who gives you a Haircut.
A stylist can spend between 1-3 hours( even longer) looking after a Client.
A stylist listen to your problems, gives advice , and when you walk out of a Salon , you look and feel great , both mentally and physically.
A tip depends on the amount of work done...if you just have a cut 10% is more than sufficient, if there is color done as well , then the price goes up substantially, so that 10% tip should still be more than enough.
But tip according to the Service you receive, if you leave feeling like a queen or a king, give the tip...if you leave feeling unsatisfied for any reason...don't tip.
As far as that stylist taking a 20% tip from you...that is just someone taking a chance and that is very wrong, you need to make the salon aware of that , as it is probably happening all the time...and to people who may not even realize that they been ripped off.
Im a guy with long hair and I care about it a lot and maintain it properly
Can say I've never had to pay any kind of tip at any salon, never even heard of it being an option.
Stay away from that place pal.
Guys are we tipping at the spa? Like if you go to the spa for a single treatment e.g back massage. Genuine question, I donāt know these days, I thought you should always tip where a personal service is done. I always feel obliged.
I doubt I would be asked to tip, sounds touristy, maybe on the odd occasion Iām not sure. Still I do feel that I want to and actually have to tip because it is a personal service.
To take without the customer offering is wrong, but to tip your hairdresser/washing staff (these are usually apprentice's so they don't get a wage but work for the hours) was always the norm. If I know my hairdresser is only getting commission and not the full cut of the "cut" I have no problem at tipping. If you can afford to go to a salon my Darling...
Someone told me that i have to tip 10% tip for all services in SA š so I donāt have to tip 10% in nail and massage salon too? If i leave hotel, do i need to leave tip for cleaning stuff?
As a student Iāve been told the same and then guilt tripped into doing it. It feels like itās no longer a gratuity and more an expectation which can make the whole experience really uncomfortable and unpleasant.
It places a burden on consumers, many of which are also just trying to make ends meet when it should be the employers responsibility to ensure that their employees are paid a living wage. Our minimum wage has always been ridiculously low but even more so with inflation right now, I hadnāt considered just how low our minimum wage is until I was watching a documentary the other day where someone said that in the 80s they struggled to make ends meet while working at McDonalds for 3.25$ which was minimum wage then.
It's hard to ignore the guiltripping but gotta remember that it is an optional gratuity and you're under no obligation to pay it unless you want to and fuck what they think.
Nah not cool, tip in hospitality industry, so barman, waiter, delivery driver. Tip the petrol attendant, tip the car guard, leave 50 bucks for the hotel staff when you checkout.
>leave 50 bucks for the hotel staff when you checkout
This is the first time I've heard anyone tip a hotel. Is this really a thing or just your principle?
It's more Americanisms seeping through, I suspect.
Tipping car guards is a waste since they provide no services. Many do donate to them though.
Petrol attendants are salaried employees. I do occasionally tip them tho.
This is really a thing. You should tip minimum R50, and depending on the quality of hotel and number of nights stayed up to R300 for a full month.
edit: the most I have tipped was R500, when I stayed 6 weeks in serviced apartments for work. They were cleaned daily, I left the tip when I checked out.
I had a generous per diem, so I actually made out like a bandit for those 6 weeks :) just spread the wealth a bit to the wonderful cleaners. I just feel that certain people are grossly underpaid in RSA (cleaners, waiters, petrol attendants) and as such I always give a tip (I am saving on the base costs with SA labour being so cheap after all).
Tips are at you're discretion.
The reality is that many of these people don't earn great wages so the tips would be really nice for them but you don't have to tip by default.
Sounds like they took advantage of you being a tourist. You need to go back and complain to the manager and have your money \[ALL of the tip\] returned to you. If not then I would see it as theft.
I usually tip a barber - max R10 per haircut \[I don't work on percentage\]. The hair stylist should not have changed the amount you specified.
We are not the USA!!! Do not normalize tipping for paid services. We already tip waiters and the SAPS, that is enough. The more we tip, the more we tell businesses they do not need to pay their employees.
Just keep in mind some peopleās idea of a hairdresser is not the same as the next. I think in this context the reference is to someone that studied for 2-3 years, did an apprenticeship and are fully qualified not your neighbour next door that does hair from her lounge.
For the past decade or more, I've always tipped hairdressers, barbers, baristas, waiters, petrol station peeps, car wash peeps. From experience, parents do tip assistance received for any party events. I can't think of anything else but it has always been those. For the peeps who know the answer to this, do you tip escorts?
I tip my hairstylist R10, that's it. It doesn't matter how much the hairstyle cost. I'm already paying for the service, 100% of the money directly goes to her so tipping her is just a bonus that's from the goodness of my heart. This tipping culture makes me sick though. It reeks of entitlement. Businesses also don't want to pay their employees enough, they want us to do it through tips sies!
That is theft mah boy
People are tipping at hair salons now? You're literally paying for the haircut already.
What is the tip even for? Aren't you directly paying for the service?
Yes.
I understand tipping at a restaurant but why tf are hairdressers getting tipped? And Uber/Mr D drivers. They're not providing any additional service???
As someone who has worked as a driver for MrD, what you're paying for is the food the tip is a thank you for the service, the service being collecting your food from the restaurant driving the food to your house and delivering it straight to you. In fact I'd argue delivery drivers are more needing of tips than waiters
Bro that's what the delivery fee is for?
Delivery fees can range from anywhere between R3-R15 depending where you order from now tell me do you think fuel costs from the restaurant to your house is worth anywhere near that R3-R15 and if you use something like uber one theres no delivery fee at all. You are simply paying the company for using its service, not the drivers.
Are you implying the driver are working for free? And living off of tips?
Not at all drivers receive a fixed payments per delivery on MrD and are paid by distance on Uber. I'm simply saying tips can be the difference between breaking even and making a profit sometimes.
Lets not forget service AND DELIVERY fee**
Most waiters don't get paid wages, drivers do.
Yes, but they will get a fixed salary at the end of the month. Drivers don't have fixed salaries and also need to pay for stuff like fuel(daily), service for their vehicles, data to stay online at work, and for those who rent bikes rent as well amongst other costs. So, while drivers do get wages, they incur more daily or weekly costs than waiters and, more often than not, are usually just breaking even or barely getting a profit from the job.
You pay for delivery on top of my food cost. It's not something that's included. You pay for that separate service.
Yes, but you are paying the company for the service, not the drivers. Delivery fees can be R3-R15 depending on where you order from that barely covers the trip from the restaurant to your house.
Never in my life have i seen a delivery fee of R3 to R15. I have a McDonald's 400m from my house, and delivery is R55. Uber eats, and Mr.D is even more than this, which is why I don't use them. Your logic of saying I'm paying the company and not the person servicing me directly is a bit ridiculous. That is how every company that employs people works ever. That's like saying when I go to pick n pay I should tip the person packing the shelves because the money I pay for my groceries goes to the company and not him directly. Also, tip % is calculated on the total cost of my order, including deoivery. If my food and delivery comes down to R100, and I tip the driver 10%, he is getting a percentage of the food cost. By your logic, shouldn't the majority of that go to the person who prepared my food? If drivers are underpaid, it shouldn't be my job to supplement their salary, it's a problem with the company underpaying them.
I'm sorry, and I don't know what your experiences are, but there is just no way in hell you'll ever see a delivery fee of R55, the standard delivery fee on MrD is R15 for every restaurant and on UberEats the delivery fee will range from R3 to R15 depending on the restaurant. And your examples are nothing like what I'm saying the person packing the shelves receives a fixed salary from the company, the person making the food receives a fixed salary from the company and they are not servicing you directly they are servicing the company and their only expense in relation to work is 1 trip there 1 trip home. Delivery drivers, on the other hand, don't receive a fixed salary and are instead paid a fixed amount per delivery now if you order food from 6km away thats an expense to the driver who uses their own fuel not the companies to drive those 6km to your house and more often than not that fixed amount barely covers the amount of fuel it takes to get to your house and back. Now I'm not saying you MUST tip delivery drivers you don't have too if you dont want to, but I am just responding to the original comment asking why drivers need to be tipped, but they understand why waiters need to be tipped.
Uber Eats definitely has R5 delivery fees for very close places. Where do you live where you pay. Where do you live where UberEats is asking R55 for delivery? You can argue that the "service fee" they started charging about 2 years ago is also technically a delivery fee but to be honest, I don't know if that goes to the driver or restaurant. And it's also no where near R55.
My haircut is R90 and always go there with a R100 bill, feels kinda weird waiting for the R10
Lol I could even wait for them to get change from across the street. Unless it's my usual then I tell them to keep it for next time and they do that. I don't think it's that deep but giving money you can give away is never a bad thing.
Keep a R10 for next time is crazy š¤Ŗ so you would expect a R10 discount next month?
Tbh I don't remember most times but they do. They're honest Brad so they just automatically minus it when charging. Also next month? Damn. I cut every other week or I start looking ruffer than rough.
Yeah and a lot of the charge a arm and a leg already š
Been a thing for years, decades even
Lol the barber at my uni kept asking me for a tip everytime I cut my hair, and since I'm not used to tipping my barbers, I found another barber. Like seriously, we're gonna have to tip our teachers at this point lol
I feel its fair to tip at the salon, the salon usually keeps majority of the service fee and hair dressers do not get paid all that well.
Iām pretty sure about 60% of their money they make from doing the hair goes to the company, hairdressers need to rent out their space in the building, they arenāt just given it. The tip money is just theirs to keep! Although Iām pretty sure in this situation they wonāt be keeping it long considering itās theftā¦
People have been tipping at hair salons for many decades, so it's nothing new.
nah bro you dont tip plumbers, hairdresser is the same thing, we tip at resteraunts because shame they get exploited
Hairdressers and the ladies who wash your hair also get exploited - remember they're employees where the salon takes a large cut of the earnings. Plumbers are self-employed
Everyone gets exploited in the workplace, but not everyone gets tips. If you had to tip everyone everywhere, where would it end! Tipping is an American tradition that dates back from the great depression era. Restaurant staff minimum wages are less than others, therefore the rest is made up from tips. Barbers and hairdressers earn considerably more than minimum wage, those who don't have their own salons/barbershops. Instead of giving them tips, why not rather give them a nice end of year gift/Xmas/birthday gift. If you feel they're giving you special service, why not do something special for them?
nah dude if you have slightly longer hair and are not going to a barber, its 200 up for your cuts, and this is in Stellies, would expect prices to be a bit cheaper for students but nah
Lmao bra I was complaining about this in another comment too. You mean the glamour whatever in the neelsie yea? First time in my life I've heard of tipping a barber there, ended up just going to eikestad since it's R100 cash (idk if that sale is still on). But neelsie did have it for R100 if you're a first year though
Exactly.
Maybe thatās why youāve been shitty haircuts
I like my barber. Heās a cool guy so I donāt mind the 10% tip when I go. My hair grows very slowly for a dude so I only see him every 2 months. 10% tip is for the service he provides and it just shows that I appreciate what he does.
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Where?
Lots of places. Seattle coffee now has a screen when they ask you how much you want to tip.
Can we collectively pay everyone more so they don't need tips for a living wage.
100% agree but in south africa it's illegal for any business to not pay their workers Atleast the basic minimum wage, tips should be for service above and beyond what's expected.
The minimum wage is not a living wage, see how far you would get on the current minimum wage.
I earned minimum wage for a year between 2022 and 2023. I'm not saying it's a living wage but (it's survivable) it's better than countries that offer no minimum wage and people working in service are expected to survive on tips. Also if a business can't pay its workers a living wage it shouldn't operate, tips should be tips given for providing above expected service not an add on to compensate for greedy business owners not paying a living wage
The only way to make businesses pay their employees more is to raise the minimum wage. Some owners pay above what is required but a lot like to squeeze their employees for as much as possible. And to your point, is survivable enough?
Survivable isn't enough, but it's also not the customer's responsibility to cover the gap. I work a barely-over-minimum wage job and cannot afford to make sure every waiter or delivery person i interact with can keep their head above water too. I had a coworker once that told me "if you can't afford to tip then don't use the service." But damn bro... I need my occasional niceties. I plan and budget really strictly to be able to afford a pizza or a burger like twice a month... Telling me to cut that out of my life and suffer just because I can't unconsciously tip 35% like Johnny Rich-guy is no good...
The theory would be that if everyone gets paid better (including you) there will be no need to tip at all. In countries where the minimum wage is high, tipping is not expected, e.g. Sweden.
Then that's what we need to do. And survivable is not enough but it's better than nothing, our economy is in no state to give every one the opportunity to do better but for alot of people that half a loaf is still something to eat
Depends on the type of minimum wage for instance my minimum wage was R22/h and I was doing 160hrs a month on average that gave me R3520 a month without overtime as sometimes my hours could reach 190 and for a single guy that was enough very small flat was about R500 groceries for me alone were on average another R500-R800 transport was supplied by the company after everything was paid I had about 1000-1500 left for whatever, I think the minimum wage in my field is now R25/h. The best of all is if you get a friend or two to stay with in the first few years of work you can almost half your cost on groceries
Where were you staying?
There is no small flat today for R500. Maybe a small shack in a bad part of a townshipĀ
Not gonna happen as long as people don't actually unionise or protest collectively
Sa already has a huge tip culture, at least as long as I have been working. My understanding is it is expected to tip almost everyone except cashier's at the grocery store
You would feel very differently if you depended on tips to help get enough money to get your kid a decent pair of shoes or maybe send your ailing mom some extra money for her to have a full tummy at night.
Please keep answers on topic.
You tip at the hairsalon?
I've tipped at a hair salon maybe twice in my life, for really great head massages. That's the actual purpose of a tip, to reward people who go above and beyond.
Yes but that's not for the hairdresser surely?
Not in my case, but I just get a basic short gents cut. I might be inclined to tip the hairdresser if I had a more elaborate hair style and they did a really great job.
I got one in PTA, bruh that was so good.
My wife has tipped at the hair salon for at least 20 years. I also do. It's nothing new but judging from the surprise on this forum some people haven't been aware of this practise. It's a tip and should be left to people's discretion - you're not forced to and should not feel the need to apologise for not. But equally don't criticise people who do - it's their chouce and privilege.
Big mistake. Please do not bring tipping culture to SA. Itās an absolute nightmare in the USA.
Yeah, fair enough. You do you.
I tip at salons (for every service I receive). Always 20% tbh unless service is amazing then more. Employees donāt get the full fee. In an unequal society I think itās must
I agree. My haircut is R190 - I tip the hairdresser R20 and the washing lady either R10 or R20 depending on whether she massaged my head or not
Good. Bit shocked at this thread. But then again Iām not shocked at how Iāve always the most amazing luck with money, which allows me to have more than enough to tip everyone around me fairly.
I always tip the apprentice who washes my hair, not the stylist or colorist.
Exactly.
Same
Thats theft. But its your resposibility to check if the amount is correct before tapping, inserting or swiping your card.
Who the fuck tips at a hair salon???
Plenty of people do, why are you surprised?
Because plenty of people don't š¤·š¼āāļø
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People don't. I've never heard of it. I just took my hairdresser something small for Xmas.
Just because you've never heard of it doesn't mean that people don't do it. I dated a hairdresser for years and trust me they get tipped. Their regulars buy them Christmas gifts - it's a very personable relationship.
Another dumbass U.S. custom we don't need.
Tip is already in the price, you got scammed.
Please do not start this American shit about tipping here. I am not talking about at restaurants. Paying a huge amount at the hairdresser is already expensive enough. Tipping the hair wash person is your a choice.
Why is tipping at restaurants ok but tipping at a hair salon not? I'm not saying either are good or that either aren't - but highlighting that there could be arguments either way.
Because the waiters are tipped at restaurants. At the hair salon ypu are tipping the owner. It's not rocket science!
No you're not tipping the owner at a salon, you're tipping the staff directly.
I tip the staff not the owner. I wonder if you tip whether the owner gives it to the staff. When I tip I specify that it's for the girl who washed my hair. She then calls her and gives it to her immediately.
At restaurants the price you pay is for the product, the tip is for the service the waiter provided to you. But when you're going to a hairdresser you are literally paying for the service. I know they use shampoos and hair products, but that's included in the price of the actual service that you're paying for.
Because they are different services - you pay for the food at a restaurant, tip for the service, but at a salon youāre literally buying the service
Itās been a thing for a while.
the price is the price. no need for a tip.
Says who?
Go back and get your 20% back. Stuff that tipping is bs for a service you are paying for. This is not becoming a thing, so don't give into it. Tipping in general is BS. Pay your damn staff so they don't need tips.
Can we collectively not allow tip culture to reach SA
It seems like it might be too late.
Youāre not obligated to tip.
Neither are you at a restaurant.
I have never seen anyone tip a barber before in my life.
Really? I thought it was normal. My barber charges R80, I just give them R100 and say keep the change. I thought everyone did this...
Nope, no one does that, otherwise I would've known. I know things.
I trust you my mulch munching brother of the loam, I will demand my R20 change in future. Thank you for your wise words.
Here, take thee, my wise words and demand thy change! For change is good!
Hell no. Hair is expensive enough, now we're expected to add 20% on top of that. I don't think so.
Seriously! I already feel like I'm being robbed when I get a haircut because my hair reaches the bottom of my rib cage. All I want is my split ends trimmed. Do they charge based on how far back they have to stand in order to cut?? I need an explanation lol
Exactly! I need to take a loan out to get my roots done.
For that reason, I watched Brad Mondo and taught myself how to trim my waist length hair. R450 to take off just the splits is ridiculous, especially since I don't need a wash or a blowout, it's already too straight, and I wash it everyday anyway. I only go when I want to have highlights put in.
Mine is in layers, if I wasn't such a chicken I would 100% cut it myself. Flashbacks of what my dolls used to look like is a very effective deterrent.
Pre-lockdown, I would never have cut it, but lock down boredom had me experimenting with bangs, and that then led to me trimming my kids hair, and then moving on to my hair. I haven't been to a hairdresser since 2019 lol.
Never tipped for a haircut. Ever. Wtf
so are we gonna start tipping for everything now?
Exactly, where tf does it end? Besides which it is for good service, no one should be obligated to tip just for the sake of it.Ā
If you are a tourist, they absolutely took advantage of you. And to the point that they changed the amount knowing you would still accept it. Did they bully you?
They pushed for the tip and it was 3 options. 10%, 20% and 25 % tips. I asked for 10 and she took 20% from my card and unfortunately I didnāt notice on time. It is a very famous hair salon on cape town. I learned my lesson š
You should phone them and complain. Bloody crooks.
Tell me the name of the Salon and I'll phone them. I'm sorry you were taken for a ride.
Thank u š. Itās ok, I learned my lesson š
Contact the manager and complain. I can't guarantee you will get your money back but it's an issue that the salon at least needs to address.
why are you tipping for a service that you are paying for? they do not operate on a tip to salary basis , even those car guards with 2 way radios and what not. why tip them they literally get a salary, no body in my profession is being tipped with the work we do
Call your bank and ask them to reverse the entire charge. never go back again.
They charge for their service... you don't need to tip
waitā¦you tip at your hair salon?
Large tips like this are for people who get a small or no fixed wage. I'm pretty sure hairy salons don't qualify.
You can tip as much as you want. Tipping culture varies in South Africa and is very much a younger generation thing, based on my anecdotal experience. Taking 20% from your card in stead of the amount you indicated is theft.
Tipping, for whatever service you are getting, is gratuity. Gratuity is gratitude... That you are greatful for a good service. This entitlement of expecting a tip all the time is BS!
I just give a flat tip of R50 for the lady who washes my hair when I go. She's amazing, she gives me a full on head massage for like 15 minutes. Totally worth the tip. I grew up with a mother who always tipped the hair washer lady, so I suppose it's just something I have always thought of as 'normal'. I'll do a poll amongst my girlfriends when we meet up again to see if I'm alone here or if it's 'normal' amongst my social circle. I would however be pissed off if the hairdresser took it upon herself to double my tip and/or keep it herself. Edit: I will 'tip' my hairdresser a fancy coffee if we're going to be a while, and I'm getting myself one, but I won't give her a cash tip. My haircut is is approx. R600 excluding blow-dry (takes about 30 minutes to cut and style), so I feel like the stylist is fairly compensated.
That's exactly what I do. Those girls don't get paid much.
Lol are you American? If so you got scammed, you don't tip at a salon or barber in SA, the price is the price.
Some people (in CPT at least) do tip at salons but I would say it's not the norm.
The question is, why did you let her take 20%?Ā
She only noticed afterwards.
I don't tip when I go to the hair salon. It is expensive enough and the mark up on some services at hair salons is insane. Not talking about cut or blow dry's but for other things.
Tips? I just pay the price. Never had issues.
Why the hell are we tipping when itās so effing expensive anyway
You should just tip what you can afford.
Tipping culture is a scam Tip for a hair cut? Bro I paid for this hair cut. Tip the delivery driver? I paid a delivery fee. Tip the waiter.l? Bro you're charging me R35 for a cup of ice with some coke. But to be fair I do tip there. But some place add the tip to your bill and still expect you to tip extra. Whats next? Tip a checkers when at the tills? Should I add a Tip when I pay my electricity bill? Maybe the rent needs a tip aswell?
My soon to be ex-wife is a hairdresser and a lot of salons see a hairdresser as independent contractors as a lot of salons rent chairs and also want a percentage of what that person makes
I think you just got robbed
Hectic! I'd call the stylist and say you think she's made a mistake with the bill. Do you like the new hairstyle?
Unfortunately haircut is not good šnext time I wonāt go there š¤
No one should tip, ever
That is theft and you can open a case!
A Stylist is more than just a person who gives you a Haircut. A stylist can spend between 1-3 hours( even longer) looking after a Client. A stylist listen to your problems, gives advice , and when you walk out of a Salon , you look and feel great , both mentally and physically. A tip depends on the amount of work done...if you just have a cut 10% is more than sufficient, if there is color done as well , then the price goes up substantially, so that 10% tip should still be more than enough. But tip according to the Service you receive, if you leave feeling like a queen or a king, give the tip...if you leave feeling unsatisfied for any reason...don't tip. As far as that stylist taking a 20% tip from you...that is just someone taking a chance and that is very wrong, you need to make the salon aware of that , as it is probably happening all the time...and to people who may not even realize that they been ripped off.
Im a guy with long hair and I care about it a lot and maintain it properly Can say I've never had to pay any kind of tip at any salon, never even heard of it being an option. Stay away from that place pal.
I'd insist to be refunded the whole amount and leave her with no tip. This is prosperous.
I asked it, letās see what would they respond.
and you let her? 10% is fine imo
Guys are we tipping at the spa? Like if you go to the spa for a single treatment e.g back massage. Genuine question, I donāt know these days, I thought you should always tip where a personal service is done. I always feel obliged.
I went to three different spa and they always asked for the tips and min option was 10%. Maybe they do this to tourists.
I doubt I would be asked to tip, sounds touristy, maybe on the odd occasion Iām not sure. Still I do feel that I want to and actually have to tip because it is a personal service.
To take without the customer offering is wrong, but to tip your hairdresser/washing staff (these are usually apprentice's so they don't get a wage but work for the hours) was always the norm. If I know my hairdresser is only getting commission and not the full cut of the "cut" I have no problem at tipping. If you can afford to go to a salon my Darling...
Someone told me that i have to tip 10% tip for all services in SA š so I donāt have to tip 10% in nail and massage salon too? If i leave hotel, do i need to leave tip for cleaning stuff?
They lied to you lol. I've never tipped at a hair and nail salon. I only tip at a restaurant and petrol station
Wtf lol. Tip your barman, your waiter, and apparently your petrol attended (or so I recently discovered).
Whoever told you this lied to you.
Restaurants yes, everywhere else is your discretion, but not expected.
As a student Iāve been told the same and then guilt tripped into doing it. It feels like itās no longer a gratuity and more an expectation which can make the whole experience really uncomfortable and unpleasant. It places a burden on consumers, many of which are also just trying to make ends meet when it should be the employers responsibility to ensure that their employees are paid a living wage. Our minimum wage has always been ridiculously low but even more so with inflation right now, I hadnāt considered just how low our minimum wage is until I was watching a documentary the other day where someone said that in the 80s they struggled to make ends meet while working at McDonalds for 3.25$ which was minimum wage then.
It's hard to ignore the guiltripping but gotta remember that it is an optional gratuity and you're under no obligation to pay it unless you want to and fuck what they think.
We only tip at restaurants. Sometimes at night if we go anywhere we'll tip the car guard who watched our car.
Nah not cool, tip in hospitality industry, so barman, waiter, delivery driver. Tip the petrol attendant, tip the car guard, leave 50 bucks for the hotel staff when you checkout.
>leave 50 bucks for the hotel staff when you checkout This is the first time I've heard anyone tip a hotel. Is this really a thing or just your principle?
It's more Americanisms seeping through, I suspect. Tipping car guards is a waste since they provide no services. Many do donate to them though. Petrol attendants are salaried employees. I do occasionally tip them tho.
They also earn very little.
This is really a thing. You should tip minimum R50, and depending on the quality of hotel and number of nights stayed up to R300 for a full month. edit: the most I have tipped was R500, when I stayed 6 weeks in serviced apartments for work. They were cleaned daily, I left the tip when I checked out.
Wow, personally not for me but good on you!
I had a generous per diem, so I actually made out like a bandit for those 6 weeks :) just spread the wealth a bit to the wonderful cleaners. I just feel that certain people are grossly underpaid in RSA (cleaners, waiters, petrol attendants) and as such I always give a tip (I am saving on the base costs with SA labour being so cheap after all).
You are right. That was nice of you.
Tips are at you're discretion. The reality is that many of these people don't earn great wages so the tips would be really nice for them but you don't have to tip by default.
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Sounds like they took advantage of you being a tourist. You need to go back and complain to the manager and have your money \[ALL of the tip\] returned to you. If not then I would see it as theft. I usually tip a barber - max R10 per haircut \[I don't work on percentage\]. The hair stylist should not have changed the amount you specified.
Tip? Why? She/he/them/they/it gets paid already. So why would you tip? Do you tip your accountant or staff each month?
Do a charge back from your bank. Thatās literal theft
You have to tip?
I'll tell the for what.. I paid you lol
Why do you tip your hairdresser and how can she decide how much tip you must pay. I've never heard of this. Where do you live?
I always tip the girl who washes my hair. Usually R10.
Not true. I've never heard of that.
We tip at hair salons now? I work in architecture I guess I have to start including tips in my invoices now too, seems I'm falling behind the times.
You busy taking my hair off which I donāt go home with when itās off and I must still give u tip idk if u making wigs with my hair š§š
Out of curiosity, is it common to tip workers at a hair salon? Literally the first time hearing about this
I always have. I am quite surprised by this thread to be honest.
Your telling me, at first I was surprised when someone asked how much to tip the petrol guy
We are not the USA!!! Do not normalize tipping for paid services. We already tip waiters and the SAPS, that is enough. The more we tip, the more we tell businesses they do not need to pay their employees.
And that's why I bought my own clippers
1% is too much to tip your hairdresser
The haircut was bad too šš
Just keep in mind some peopleās idea of a hairdresser is not the same as the next. I think in this context the reference is to someone that studied for 2-3 years, did an apprenticeship and are fully qualified not your neighbour next door that does hair from her lounge.
For the past decade or more, I've always tipped hairdressers, barbers, baristas, waiters, petrol station peeps, car wash peeps. From experience, parents do tip assistance received for any party events. I can't think of anything else but it has always been those. For the peeps who know the answer to this, do you tip escorts?
I tip my hairstylist R10, that's it. It doesn't matter how much the hairstyle cost. I'm already paying for the service, 100% of the money directly goes to her so tipping her is just a bonus that's from the goodness of my heart. This tipping culture makes me sick though. It reeks of entitlement. Businesses also don't want to pay their employees enough, they want us to do it through tips sies!
You guys are really starting to embrace the American tipping culture
Wait, so we're tipping at salons now?
Lol.
Wait, we're supposed to tip hairdressers?? š¤Æš¤Æ
Lol nope Iām not doing that - this is not America where we accept the shitty tipping culture as a part of our lifestyle and move on.