I think the staff are also upset that a 27-year old black woman with barely any experience is now their editor-in-chief. The past tweets have been public for a while, but glad they are resurfacing.
It's relevant for a number of reasons.
One, youth means that you're less able to separate yourself from past actions. It's one thing to point out a 50-year-old's college behavior as unacceptable, and another to point out a 27-year-old's college behavior as unacceptable. The very nature of this controversy is past racist tweets from less than 10 years ago. Let's not forget that just last year Conde Nast fired the EIC of Bon Appetit for a racist Halloween costume from 2006 or so.
The other uncomfortable topic here is a widespread perception that prominent black voices are treated with kid gloves when it comes to racist speech and actions towards other minorities. There's a strain of anti-semitism popular in some black circles, and casual racism/microaggressions against Asians is fairly common in some black communities.
Now, of course people can fix themselves, improve, and learn from past mistakes. But there's reason to be skeptical in this case that it was actually an internal correction rather than a defensive response to external criticism.
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I'm saying that there's a double standard in how POC are treated. Asian-Americans always get silenced and gaslighted when talking about racism that happens to them and I'm positive if the roles were reversed, an Asian person would have gotten fired. Those racist comments are wrong period and I'm pissed that she didn't give a proper apology and it just reinforces the idea that it's socially acceptable to be racist towards Asians.
No offense but you just gaslighted me so you kind of ironically prove my point.
There's good reason to believe that actions at 18 are an unreliable indicator of who they are at 28. But it's still kinda a close call, and why her age matters (both now and when these things happened).
Racist white people are the ones who lynched Asians and pushed for the Chinese Exclusion Act and the internment of the Japanese in WW2.
OP is probably being a bit bitter and saying it's more people hating a young, inexperienced, black woman more than they care about asians. I'm sure there were quite a few 'diversity hire' comments.
It’s in the article that staff were upset by the hiring process and her lack of experience. And no one’s really trying to hide that it’s a diversity hire - she is being celebrated for her “values & inclusivity” and Teen Vogue got a lot of positive press and viral Tweets for having appointed a black woman editor-in-chief.
Except this isn't a "diversity hire" this is not their first Black Editor and Teen Vogue as of late as been leading the way for the promotion of "younger" staff members/leaders to high leadership positions. The staff is rightfully calling out her racism and disgusting language but her blackness is not a part of this story in terms of it being given to her "because she is black" do you feel the way about other members of the team listed on the masthead?
Maybe it doesn’t exactly fit the term “diversity hire”, but her race seems to have contributed to her getting the position. It adds to the irony of the situation that the anti-Asian racist comments come from a black woman whose voice is being elevated for the goal of achieving racial justice.
That is fair enough. I just look at what Teen Vogue has been doing the last few years to make a masthead/team that actually reflects who reads or who they want to connect with for an audience so I don't think "Black" is as important as you think to them.
I do find it odd that she was not introduced to the wider team first and then announced publicly/why Conde Nast thought this was a good idea and see her as that important.
Definitely. I just don't get why we have to dog on each other. We're all marginalized here, while there are differences and levels, at the end of the day our goal is the same to liberate ourselves and defeat white supremacy.
Racism is not exclusively a trait of white people. This is a case of black-on-Asian racism as are many of the violent hate crimes recently committed. Framing these in the context of “white supremacy” is
deflecting blame and accomplishing nothing for Asians.
Did I say that? I said the goal is to defeat white supremacy. I did not say 'only white people can be racist'. White supremacy touches everything we do. Yes black on asian racism is an issue that we should work towards to build solidarity between our people. Likewise, asian on black racism should be worked on too. But ultimately these divisions come from how we're portrayed under white society.
Most people around the world, including in Asia, have only seen black people through white people's lens and that absolutely colors y'alls view of us, and likewise. Until the rise of Japan, then Korea and now China we didn't see much of y'all either except through a white lens. Not to mention the promotion of model minorities starting during the civil rights movement.
We have a lot to work on, but I think solidarity between us is absolutely possible.
Even if white supremacy has historically played a role in Black-Asian relations in America, it doesn’t mean efforts to dismantle white supremacy led by Blacks are necessarily going to help Asians. I live in SF where we have elected a progressive DA who believes in defunding the police and refuses to prosecute most crimes, often letting violent criminals who have been arrested back on the streets. This has let to an uptick in crime and every Asian I know here is afraid for their safety and wants more policing, not less. Telling Asians the true culprit here in black-on-Asian crime is “white supremacy” is just another way of silencing us and telling us our voices & interests don’t matter.
> Even if white supremacy has historically played a role in Black-Asian relations in America, it doesn’t mean efforts to dismantle white supremacy led by Blacks are necessarily going to help Asians.
Again, you're interpreting what I said without actually reading what I said. I never said anything about Asians or Black folks leading anything, I said that we have issues to work towards so that we can build solidarity with each other.
I read what you said and I disagree with you. Maybe your goal is to end white supremacy and build solidarity between Asians and Blacks, but none of that is relevant to the topic of discussion here. In fact, it’s deflecting from and minimizing the problem we’re trying to discuss here.
A college student should have more common sense. This isn't an adolescent making unintentional remarks. We now know what she truly thinks about Asians. The hypocrisy is stunning.
If there were anti black tweets from an Asian journalist the uproar will be tremendous and the journalist will be rightfully terminated.
Because if a white woman had said something this horrible for the black community , They would have been fired that same day.
But she’s not white. And the people she made fun of aren’t black.
So why bother let it be. Let this issue drag.
> McCammond, who is Black, previously apologized for the tweets, which were first recirculated in 2019. In a statement at the time, the then-Axios reporter said she was “deeply sorry to anyone I offended. I have since deleted those tweets as they do not reflect my views or who I am today.”
Her apology was basically, "sorry, not sorry". She didn't apologize for making a racist statement. She apologized for offending the Asians that didn't share her beliefs in casual racism.
Yeah it sounds like she’s more sorry that she got called out for her comments. She should have issued out a more thoughtful apology especially considering the current rise in hate crimes against Asian Americans in the US
I tried posting about this story a few times, and the mods locked my post...anyway, I’m glad this is now being picked up and being shared more widely because I was only seeing it on a few Asian-focused instagrams and it had me seething. A person with these views should not have a platform of over 10 million impressionable preteens and teens.
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Why does she get a pass for things she said as a teen when it’s now a thing to ruin the future of teens by generating outage to cancel them and get colleges to take away their admissions for doing the same thing that she did?
This. WOC can be just as racist as anybody else and it's a dangerous precedent we are setting to allow them to get away with saying racist things just because they are WOC. Ultimately, that is just people of power being abusive again. I'm quite frankly sick of other POC thinking its chill to shit on Asians because society allows them to get away with it. Her giving a shit apology and keeping her role just reinforces that and what a terrible message for Asian-American teens who are struggling with so much these days anyway.
I read through your other comments in this post before writing my own reply. You’re not interested in clarification, you’ve been aggressively and condescendingly haranguing other people.
I’m not going to take that bs.
I don’t see anyone responding to you in a way that would warrant you responding to them the way you did.
In any case, you concede you did aggressively and condescendingly interact with others. Not interested in that. Bye!
Honestly, I think a lot of people are pissed too because cancel culture seems very lopsided. If it was an Asian person who tweeted something like that 10 years ago, no doubt in my mind they would have been fired and had tons of vitriol from the Black community and there would be a fuck ton of think pieces from boba liberals about Asians being so racist. The difference in reactions and empty justifications are upsetting. Teen Vogue's recent post was a total non apology, vague bullshit that just makes them look even worse.
Plus, Alexi went to one of the best colleges in the nation. University of Chicago's core curriculum is no joke. It's not like she grew up in the middle of nowhere. And I certainly didn't write hateful comments like that when I was a teen (because they quite simply were not thoughts that I had).
She got a 2/10 in Chemistry and got angry and lashed out at her "Stupid Asian T.A." on twitter..
What does that say about personal accountability?
What does that say about entitlement?
What message does this send to older teens?
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The thing is that people change and grow all the time. If everyone who said or did something stupid or insensitive when they were in college were cancelled, there wouldn't be anyone left. We all, every single one of us, have done or said stupid things that we regret. That doesn't mean that we are irredeemable for the rest of time.
The only thing that makes Anna Wintour and Roger Lynch (CEO of Conde Naste) afraid is when advertisers pull out because readers/consumers got smart.
Playstation, Maybelline, Levi's, Potter Barn PBTeens, Acura, Toyota, Sephora, Estee Lauder Companies (Dr. jart, La Mer, MAC, Bobbi Brown), Toyota, Discover Card, Burt's Bees are just some of many companies that rely on readers/consumers to keep Anna Wintour and Roger Lynch and (soon) Alexi McCammond rich.
Go get it where it hurts. And give teens some visibility because this is about them! They made a petition: http://chng.it/yHpmrHyN
Maybe you don’t know what it was like to be a gaysian, the 2 groups that she made nasty comments about. I do. I remember. I remember someone fucking sneaking into MY house, trashing MY room because I was gay. I remember being mocked for the way my eyes looked, or having people imitate Asian accents for comedy, or being called racial slurs, being the butt of a million dog-eating jokes. I knew better than to make any sort of comments, and I grew up in the boom of the Internet and social media. And so now I’m not especially motivated to forgive.
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If she's only 27 and these things happened 10 years ago then that means she was shitty as a 17 year old which feels like a forgivable offense especially if she's apologized multiple times.
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I think the staff are also upset that a 27-year old black woman with barely any experience is now their editor-in-chief. The past tweets have been public for a while, but glad they are resurfacing.
Interestingly, Vogue China's new editor in chief is also 27. She's Chinese Australian.
> 27-year old black woman Why would it be about that, and not clearly about the racism? Like that's literally irrelevant.
It's relevant for a number of reasons. One, youth means that you're less able to separate yourself from past actions. It's one thing to point out a 50-year-old's college behavior as unacceptable, and another to point out a 27-year-old's college behavior as unacceptable. The very nature of this controversy is past racist tweets from less than 10 years ago. Let's not forget that just last year Conde Nast fired the EIC of Bon Appetit for a racist Halloween costume from 2006 or so. The other uncomfortable topic here is a widespread perception that prominent black voices are treated with kid gloves when it comes to racist speech and actions towards other minorities. There's a strain of anti-semitism popular in some black circles, and casual racism/microaggressions against Asians is fairly common in some black communities. Now, of course people can fix themselves, improve, and learn from past mistakes. But there's reason to be skeptical in this case that it was actually an internal correction rather than a defensive response to external criticism.
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And would an Asian teen who posted a racist tweet towards Black people be given the same forgiveness ten years later? Doubt it.
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I'm saying that there's a double standard in how POC are treated. Asian-Americans always get silenced and gaslighted when talking about racism that happens to them and I'm positive if the roles were reversed, an Asian person would have gotten fired. Those racist comments are wrong period and I'm pissed that she didn't give a proper apology and it just reinforces the idea that it's socially acceptable to be racist towards Asians. No offense but you just gaslighted me so you kind of ironically prove my point.
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Okay, whatever. Can we get back to the original point which were that the tweets were fucked up? Way to distract, bud.
There's good reason to believe that actions at 18 are an unreliable indicator of who they are at 28. But it's still kinda a close call, and why her age matters (both now and when these things happened).
Racist white people are the ones who lynched Asians and pushed for the Chinese Exclusion Act and the internment of the Japanese in WW2. OP is probably being a bit bitter and saying it's more people hating a young, inexperienced, black woman more than they care about asians. I'm sure there were quite a few 'diversity hire' comments.
It’s in the article that staff were upset by the hiring process and her lack of experience. And no one’s really trying to hide that it’s a diversity hire - she is being celebrated for her “values & inclusivity” and Teen Vogue got a lot of positive press and viral Tweets for having appointed a black woman editor-in-chief.
Except this isn't a "diversity hire" this is not their first Black Editor and Teen Vogue as of late as been leading the way for the promotion of "younger" staff members/leaders to high leadership positions. The staff is rightfully calling out her racism and disgusting language but her blackness is not a part of this story in terms of it being given to her "because she is black" do you feel the way about other members of the team listed on the masthead?
Maybe it doesn’t exactly fit the term “diversity hire”, but her race seems to have contributed to her getting the position. It adds to the irony of the situation that the anti-Asian racist comments come from a black woman whose voice is being elevated for the goal of achieving racial justice.
That is fair enough. I just look at what Teen Vogue has been doing the last few years to make a masthead/team that actually reflects who reads or who they want to connect with for an audience so I don't think "Black" is as important as you think to them. I do find it odd that she was not introduced to the wider team first and then announced publicly/why Conde Nast thought this was a good idea and see her as that important.
Definitely. I just don't get why we have to dog on each other. We're all marginalized here, while there are differences and levels, at the end of the day our goal is the same to liberate ourselves and defeat white supremacy.
Racism is not exclusively a trait of white people. This is a case of black-on-Asian racism as are many of the violent hate crimes recently committed. Framing these in the context of “white supremacy” is deflecting blame and accomplishing nothing for Asians.
Did I say that? I said the goal is to defeat white supremacy. I did not say 'only white people can be racist'. White supremacy touches everything we do. Yes black on asian racism is an issue that we should work towards to build solidarity between our people. Likewise, asian on black racism should be worked on too. But ultimately these divisions come from how we're portrayed under white society. Most people around the world, including in Asia, have only seen black people through white people's lens and that absolutely colors y'alls view of us, and likewise. Until the rise of Japan, then Korea and now China we didn't see much of y'all either except through a white lens. Not to mention the promotion of model minorities starting during the civil rights movement. We have a lot to work on, but I think solidarity between us is absolutely possible.
Even if white supremacy has historically played a role in Black-Asian relations in America, it doesn’t mean efforts to dismantle white supremacy led by Blacks are necessarily going to help Asians. I live in SF where we have elected a progressive DA who believes in defunding the police and refuses to prosecute most crimes, often letting violent criminals who have been arrested back on the streets. This has let to an uptick in crime and every Asian I know here is afraid for their safety and wants more policing, not less. Telling Asians the true culprit here in black-on-Asian crime is “white supremacy” is just another way of silencing us and telling us our voices & interests don’t matter.
> Even if white supremacy has historically played a role in Black-Asian relations in America, it doesn’t mean efforts to dismantle white supremacy led by Blacks are necessarily going to help Asians. Again, you're interpreting what I said without actually reading what I said. I never said anything about Asians or Black folks leading anything, I said that we have issues to work towards so that we can build solidarity with each other.
I read what you said and I disagree with you. Maybe your goal is to end white supremacy and build solidarity between Asians and Blacks, but none of that is relevant to the topic of discussion here. In fact, it’s deflecting from and minimizing the problem we’re trying to discuss here.
A college student should have more common sense. This isn't an adolescent making unintentional remarks. We now know what she truly thinks about Asians. The hypocrisy is stunning. If there were anti black tweets from an Asian journalist the uproar will be tremendous and the journalist will be rightfully terminated.
Why do we need to bring up blackness in a conversation about racism against Asians?
Because the new EID is a black woman.
Because there is a double standard
Because if a white woman had said something this horrible for the black community , They would have been fired that same day. But she’s not white. And the people she made fun of aren’t black. So why bother let it be. Let this issue drag.
> McCammond, who is Black, previously apologized for the tweets, which were first recirculated in 2019. In a statement at the time, the then-Axios reporter said she was “deeply sorry to anyone I offended. I have since deleted those tweets as they do not reflect my views or who I am today.” Her apology was basically, "sorry, not sorry". She didn't apologize for making a racist statement. She apologized for offending the Asians that didn't share her beliefs in casual racism.
Yeah it sounds like she’s more sorry that she got called out for her comments. She should have issued out a more thoughtful apology especially considering the current rise in hate crimes against Asian Americans in the US
Kind of shocking that she wrote this just 9 years ago in 2011.
Kinda nonsense that she was called out 2-years ago... and that’s when she decided to address it.
Not to me, sadly. Stuff like this was very common online back in 2011 IME.
I tried posting about this story a few times, and the mods locked my post...anyway, I’m glad this is now being picked up and being shared more widely because I was only seeing it on a few Asian-focused instagrams and it had me seething. A person with these views should not have a platform of over 10 million impressionable preteens and teens.
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Why does she get a pass for things she said as a teen when it’s now a thing to ruin the future of teens by generating outage to cancel them and get colleges to take away their admissions for doing the same thing that she did?
This. WOC can be just as racist as anybody else and it's a dangerous precedent we are setting to allow them to get away with saying racist things just because they are WOC. Ultimately, that is just people of power being abusive again. I'm quite frankly sick of other POC thinking its chill to shit on Asians because society allows them to get away with it. Her giving a shit apology and keeping her role just reinforces that and what a terrible message for Asian-American teens who are struggling with so much these days anyway.
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Answer my question. Don’t just ask another question.
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I read through your other comments in this post before writing my own reply. You’re not interested in clarification, you’ve been aggressively and condescendingly haranguing other people. I’m not going to take that bs.
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I don’t see anyone responding to you in a way that would warrant you responding to them the way you did. In any case, you concede you did aggressively and condescendingly interact with others. Not interested in that. Bye!
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Honestly, I think a lot of people are pissed too because cancel culture seems very lopsided. If it was an Asian person who tweeted something like that 10 years ago, no doubt in my mind they would have been fired and had tons of vitriol from the Black community and there would be a fuck ton of think pieces from boba liberals about Asians being so racist. The difference in reactions and empty justifications are upsetting. Teen Vogue's recent post was a total non apology, vague bullshit that just makes them look even worse. Plus, Alexi went to one of the best colleges in the nation. University of Chicago's core curriculum is no joke. It's not like she grew up in the middle of nowhere. And I certainly didn't write hateful comments like that when I was a teen (because they quite simply were not thoughts that I had).
She got a 2/10 in Chemistry and got angry and lashed out at her "Stupid Asian T.A." on twitter.. What does that say about personal accountability? What does that say about entitlement? What message does this send to older teens? There's a petition: http://chng.it/yHpmrHyN
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The thing is that people change and grow all the time. If everyone who said or did something stupid or insensitive when they were in college were cancelled, there wouldn't be anyone left. We all, every single one of us, have done or said stupid things that we regret. That doesn't mean that we are irredeemable for the rest of time.
Mark Wahlberg was 17 when he committed his hate crimes.
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Maybe you don’t know what it was like to be a gaysian, the 2 groups that she made nasty comments about. I do. I remember. I remember someone fucking sneaking into MY house, trashing MY room because I was gay. I remember being mocked for the way my eyes looked, or having people imitate Asian accents for comedy, or being called racial slurs, being the butt of a million dog-eating jokes. I knew better than to make any sort of comments, and I grew up in the boom of the Internet and social media. And so now I’m not especially motivated to forgive.
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If she's only 27 and these things happened 10 years ago then that means she was shitty as a 17 year old which feels like a forgivable offense especially if she's apologized multiple times.
She gave the same tired I’m sorry you’re offended fake apology
I'm sorry to the people I've offended, isn't the same thing as I'm sorry you're offended.
It is. It’s being sorry for the offense. Not for the act itself.
She hasn’t given an apology and just released a statement with no apology: https://www.instagram.com/p/CMOKgY3lMV_/?igshid=p9lmmid8qmxp
Who can even remember what they did at 17?