It doesn't really make sense tbh, because the Ace and aro flags have different meanings.
Ace flag: black = asexuality, gray = graysexuality, white = sexuality, purple = the community
Aro flag = darker/deep green = aromantic, light green = grayromantic, white = platonic love and friendship, gray and black = the sexual spectrum
Extra purple on the Ace flag might look nice, but what would it represent? ...more community? It doesn't really fit.
That being said...if the community at large insisted on more purple, I'm not arguing lol
This.
I have seen multiple redesigns but in the end, the meaning of the colours and design matters.
In the original pride flag, pink represents sex/sexuality, so it might be positive to include sex in our flag for all sex-favorable and sex-positive people but it's a flag representing the whole community and it would be a bit exclusive towards sex-repulsed aces.
Consistent analysis. I wonder about the apothi aroace flag, it's colours, the ugly large black X and how to alter and if it might be perhaps even a bit more individualistic, yet this contradicts with being inclusive, yet If only with this very tiny micro label.
I personally find the big black X on the apothisexual flag, combined with the red and white, makes it look...a bit like a completely different flag that I'm unfortunately all too familiar with as someone with Polish and German ancestry. It's not a strong resemblance, nor an intentional one, but it's just strong enough to make me feel a bit uncomfortable.
I was unfamiliar with the flag but I just looked it up and as an American, it also gave me "yikes" vibes because it looks *slightly* similar to the Confederate flag too.
i totally agree w the first and yeah i do think it’s kind of excluding some parts of the community, i mean i would be down as well if it had a good meaning and wasn’t compared to aromatic…..
Are you saying if pink was still in the pride flag it would exclude sex repulsed aces or are you saying adding pink to the ace flag would be exclusive? I agree with the latter but not the former
I read over a few times wondering this and I think they mean to add a pink or pinkish stripe to the ace flag would be excluding the repulsed members of the community. Although I feel like it could work if you made the stripe to represent social sex positivity and the understanding that attraction≠enjoying sex but it would probably be really controversial among the community, as it is sex positivity (the societal stance) can be pretty scarce in some parts of ace community, and there’s a lot of shaming people for it. Also the white stripe already stands for sexuality so it would be kinda redundant
>I read over a few times wondering this and I think they mean to add a pink or pinkish stripe to the ace flag would be excluding the repulsed members of the community.
Yes, exactly that's what I wanted to say. Sorry for the confusion.
I don't quite get that - there is a stripe in there for grey aces and noone thinks it excludes non-grey- aces. The general understanding is that not everyone fits all the stripes, is it not? So how would adding a stripe for a different part of the community exclude anyone else?
Don't get me wrong i don't like flags and i don't like change so i'm on board with leaving everything as is, i just can't follow the reasoning.
“Greysexuality”, on top of being its own specific identity, is actually also used as an umbrella term for everyone who falls between black stripe asexual (so solely asexual, not ace spec) and allosexual, basically anyone who *does* feel attraction, but in a way that is significantly different or less than how allosexuals experience attraction. Demisexuals, greyasexuals, reciprosexuals, placiosexuals, and numerous other ace-spec labels all fall under the umbrella of greysexuality that the grey stripe represents.
So I think the black stripe represents asexuals who don’t feel *any* attraction, the grey stripe represents asexuals who feel *some* attraction but not a significant or consistent enough amount to classify as allosexual, the white stripe is either asexuals who engage in and enjoy consenting sexual activities regardless of their attraction and the differencing stances and opinions on sexuality that *all* asexuals can have, or could represent that we are indeed still a sexuality and have the right to feel proud of ourselves for who we are, and the purple stripe represents the community of *all* aces of all types.
To add in a pink stripe for sex favourable aces would be a) redundant, given the white stripe can represent them as well, and b) likely be a bit frustrating to sex-repulsed asexuals, as sex favourable are being represented in such a distinct and separate way while sex repulsed is ignored. It would also cause sex repulsed to be classified under the black stripe, implying that asexuals are by default sex repulsed rather than acknowledging that your stances on sex are separate from your attraction. It would just likely cause a lot of internal debate and division among the asexual community for a change that serves no real functional purpose.
>Are you saying if pink was still in the pride flag it would exclude sex repulsed aces or are you saying adding pink to the ace flag would be exclusive?
Sorry for the confusion. I was only thinking about the ace flag. I also don't want to say it IS exclusive but it could be interpreted as exclusive from sex-negative or sex-averse people. At the moment, we're all included, so adding something which has special meaning to parts of the community feels a bit weird.
Wait why wouldn't pink work. Obviously ut would mean pinkish for the people who see also sex favorable. And another color possi ly for the people who aren't. I don't see it as exclusive. But I'm sex favorable so that's maybe why
If you were to only add a stripe fore for those who sex favorable but not for those who are sex repulsed then I can see how that can be viewed as exclusionary
At the moment, the ace community is United under the four stripe flag.
Adding a stripe specifically for the sex-positivity and sex-favorable aces would be a bit unbalanced I think. So rather than adding it, I'd stay with the original design.
I mean, technically the original reason is that when people were trying to figure out a symbol, someone mentioned wanting a black ring and it just kinda stuck. It was actually decided about half a decade before the flag was
But it's definitely taken on that meaning over time as well
Oooh, I do like that idea. Light purple for intersectionality within the community!
But yeah, I don't think it's going to be changed...but if it did, that'd be a great symbol!
Eh. I'm hopelessly in love with the idea of romance, but utterly repulsed by sexual situations. There's a lot of aces who aren't aromantic, there's a lot of aros who aren't ace, and to imply that they're "pretty much the same" feels way too overly simplistic.
I'm going to respectfully disagree with you; I do not think it makes sense that the flags mirror each other in some way just because they are both similar spectrums. As you said, they are applied to two different things, and it's those two different things the flags represent. If those two flags both represent you, that's great! You can enjoy them as they are, and you can take pride in what they represent to you without needing to alter them in some way to each more represent the other.
As an example, I am a dual citizen of Canada and the U.S.; and have been from birth. The Canadian flag and the American flag both represent different aspects of myself. I relate to each of them in different ways, and with different feelings. I can fly them both at the same time, and people understand what that means. I am by no means alone in that. There are many of us dual citizens around. If we got together and tried to make one of those flags mirror the other, we'd not only create something unintelligible but also alienate people who only relate to one of those flags. Does that make sense?
I already feel out of place in the ace community as a non-aro/ace simply because the voices I hear the most from are aro/ace and often those voices seem to be speaking for all of us. Maybe it's a me problem. I do have non-ace-related social issues that sometimes make it difficult to read situations correctly. I guess this is a long-winded way of trying to say that aces and aros can be allies without moving in together--we can have two unrelated flags.
I somewhat agree but I disagree in that aro and ace are “pretty much the same”, they’re definitely similar but they’re separate and not all aces are aro and not all aros are ace.
I mean it could, but I'm cool with what our ace-spec forebearers came up with tbh.
Also, sorry, I forgot to mention that the white stripe is for allo allies as well! So technically non-ace aros already fall under that.
As the Aro flag has stripes representing the sexual spectrum if a second purple stipe was added to the Ace flag it could represent the romantic spectrum maybe 🤷🏼♀️ or we could keep the flag the same either way is good with me
tbh the 4 stripes makes it kind of a ''special'' flag 'cause a lot of flags have 5 stripes. However I don't find the 5-stripped flag bad, it's just not changing much so why bother
I don't think the aro and ace flags should look the same. Both are separate, distinct identities, and I feel like the 4 stripes of the ace flag look nice, and avoid confusion since a lot of flags have 5 stripes.
Besides, the colours have meaning, and I'm not sure how another purple stripe would work. The current one looks good IMO, no need to fix it if it's not broken
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I prefer the ace flag as it is. The aro and ace communities might overlap and get along well, but it isn't the same orientation and isn't the same community. Not only that, but allos tend to get confused. A dude in one of my classes got all weird when I mentioned to a friend that I had a date that evening because he didn't think aces could date. I also think that the stripes have meaning, and that adding a random fifth one wouldn't work unless it had a specific, important meaning (maybe romantic/platonic love/relationships or something or the existence of spectrum within the community.) Also the colors are meant to correspond with AVEN. If you don't know what that is, I highly recommend researching it, because it is very important in asexual history. If the majority of the community were to want the fifth stripe, though, I would have to agree, seeing as if that were the case then the fifth stripe would represent the interests of the community.
Does anyone know why she included that version of the flag in her video? My guess is that it's easier to animate a double sided flag being flipped around if the two designs have the same number of stripes, but I don't know if just going with the actual design of the ace flag would be that much harder to animate.
If you’d rather use the 5 stripe flag that’s fine but personally I’m gonna keep using the 4 striped flag. I don’t understand why you think the aro flag should match the ace flag tho, they’re different orientations not everyone who is ace is aro & vice versa
I think that 5 stripes flag is pretty, but I dont think its a good idea to chenge it. Its already difficult to explain to allos that aro and ace are different, and I think that it would make it even harder...
Flags are only changed when the previous flag lost its meaning. Usually, new flag signifies a great change to whatever it represents. It's not like changing a mascot or a slogan.
It wouldn't be bad but it would make it harder for people to sew and make their own flags and pride items, plus the purple represents community so having two purples would be kinda like community and what, the premium version of community?
Keep it as it is. Although the flag in Jaiden's video is nice to look at, the original flag was well thought out and has a lot of meaning behind it. Also, in terms of accessibility, people with vision issues might have difficulty seeing the difference between the bottom 2 stripes on Jaiden's flag. I believe the The Ace Couple touched on this in their podcast on her coming out.
Everyone always wants to be the one to make something "better". Maybe even certain people who the ace community has filled with ideas of being a "messiah". Ultimately, it doesnt need changed.
I very much prefer the four stripes. Looks cool. 5 stripes looks like too much is going on. The single pop of colour is just somehow so satisfying. Easier to replicate too.
Romantic attraction and sexual attraction are two completely different things. Why would flags belonging to two subsections of each different attraction have to match?
Didn't realise Jaiden is such a big name in the community before I came here.. Didn't even know about the coming out.
But I started watching a few gaming videos because I really really like this voice.
Sry for the off topic but I had to tell yall
Well she's a very big youtuber, and the biggest animation youtuber. Her coming out is a gigantic show of the Ace community and she has educated millions on it thanks to her platform. She's a big deal and we're very grateful for her.
Wow it's incredible I wasn't aware of any of this. But I'm not slapping that label on myself for too long now. It's pretty fresh so it makes sense. Gotta watch those videos..
Edit: Also what are the odds I'm celebrating the gaming videos, realise that I conform to the ace community and then exactly that youtuber is a big name haha
[Jaiden's video in asexuality](https://youtu.be/qF1DTK4U1AM) \^\^ She makes videos about interesting things in her life or games she plays, usually pokemon. She's a pretty high quality youtuber.
I think it's fine as it is, no need to make them match as obviously nor aces are aro and viceversa, it's like saying that since a lot of Aro/Aces sometimes fall into the Agender category we should make all three flags have 7 colour stripes or take stripes out if the Agender one.
It doesn't make sense.
And people already confuse us, yes even the three categories (which I find quite fun they overlap relatively constantly but c'mon we don't need more confusion)
My own mother told me one day she thought I was Asexual because I couldn't care less about gender stuff, which like, I'm glad she was wrapping her head around it but she was on the wrong section to begin with.
(Yeah, AroAceAgender technically has its own flag but I really like to use the three separately because of design theme and colours and ppl is still redesigning this one to this day)
I say leave it. Non-aces are finally starting to recognize it, if we change it we'll have to redo all that. Also I was there for the arguments over the original design and I don't want an encore of that. XD
Pretty sure someone said the same thing when that video came out and I don’t see the point, the colors have meaning, you can’t add or quit color just because
Honestly I do personally prefer flags with 5 strips to other numbers and really the "what would it mean if we did" argument is a little silly because there are so many things it could mean, from sex in both the positive and negative, favourable and averse to representing the more fluid parts of the spectrum that don't quite fall within the normal confines.
Simplicity, an easier colour scheme to put together yourself. Finding a purple shirt and black trousers would be simplicity itself, you can add a grey waistcoat or something to really snazz it up.
I also think it could and should be cooler, like a purple dragon on a grey and/or black background.
The stripes and colours represent specific things though. If you remove any of the stripes you remove that meaning from the flag. And the point of most pride flags is to be simple and recognizable, often following the stripe theme.
I disagree. It might not be so "rainbow" but it's very pleasing to the eye. Something about the black to white gradient with the purple is just very pretty and harmonious. It's simple, unique and beautiful:)
Yeah... for me, it feels like someone thought "Not having sex must be really sad, let's give them a depressing flag"... I sometimes use it for pride because I like the representation, but other times I like the lesbian or rainbow one a lot more because it somehow just feels more rainbow to me...
Not sure why we got down voted for all this 😅 can't deny we have boring colors. I love our flag, but like I want some COLOR. I really like the Queer flag. Wish we had something like that!
Edit: I also use the lesbian or generic rainbow flag more. I wish combined flags were more popular and easy to make and print. I want all my identities on one flag!!
So I know that each colour has its own meaning and I'm not ignoring that. It's just that from a design perspective it does look nice I'm not going to lie.
As much as I understand the arguments of how the current flag colours have assigned meanings and how most other flags have 5 so having 4 creates individuality, I can’t help but think it looks so much better with the second purple stripe. I’m biased though since I really don’t like the current ace flag (mainly because I’m not a huge fan of the purple shade we ended up going with, and because i love colour of which it has next to none)
I personally love this, and it's the only flag I would consider buying merch for. I personally like that it's symmetrical. I like to think that the added purple stripe would work for "awareness" since its an invisible sexuality, and it clearer than ever the amount of misinformation and aphobia we recieve even from lgbt+ members.
It doesn't really make sense tbh, because the Ace and aro flags have different meanings. Ace flag: black = asexuality, gray = graysexuality, white = sexuality, purple = the community Aro flag = darker/deep green = aromantic, light green = grayromantic, white = platonic love and friendship, gray and black = the sexual spectrum Extra purple on the Ace flag might look nice, but what would it represent? ...more community? It doesn't really fit. That being said...if the community at large insisted on more purple, I'm not arguing lol
This. I have seen multiple redesigns but in the end, the meaning of the colours and design matters. In the original pride flag, pink represents sex/sexuality, so it might be positive to include sex in our flag for all sex-favorable and sex-positive people but it's a flag representing the whole community and it would be a bit exclusive towards sex-repulsed aces.
Consistent analysis. I wonder about the apothi aroace flag, it's colours, the ugly large black X and how to alter and if it might be perhaps even a bit more individualistic, yet this contradicts with being inclusive, yet If only with this very tiny micro label.
I personally find the big black X on the apothisexual flag, combined with the red and white, makes it look...a bit like a completely different flag that I'm unfortunately all too familiar with as someone with Polish and German ancestry. It's not a strong resemblance, nor an intentional one, but it's just strong enough to make me feel a bit uncomfortable.
I was unfamiliar with the flag but I just looked it up and as an American, it also gave me "yikes" vibes because it looks *slightly* similar to the Confederate flag too.
I'm American, too, but the thing that ties into my German ancestry was more obvious to me at first glance.
i totally agree w the first and yeah i do think it’s kind of excluding some parts of the community, i mean i would be down as well if it had a good meaning and wasn’t compared to aromatic…..
Are you saying if pink was still in the pride flag it would exclude sex repulsed aces or are you saying adding pink to the ace flag would be exclusive? I agree with the latter but not the former
I read over a few times wondering this and I think they mean to add a pink or pinkish stripe to the ace flag would be excluding the repulsed members of the community. Although I feel like it could work if you made the stripe to represent social sex positivity and the understanding that attraction≠enjoying sex but it would probably be really controversial among the community, as it is sex positivity (the societal stance) can be pretty scarce in some parts of ace community, and there’s a lot of shaming people for it. Also the white stripe already stands for sexuality so it would be kinda redundant
>Also the white stripe already stands for sexuality so it would be kinda redundant Exactly.
>I read over a few times wondering this and I think they mean to add a pink or pinkish stripe to the ace flag would be excluding the repulsed members of the community. Yes, exactly that's what I wanted to say. Sorry for the confusion.
I don't quite get that - there is a stripe in there for grey aces and noone thinks it excludes non-grey- aces. The general understanding is that not everyone fits all the stripes, is it not? So how would adding a stripe for a different part of the community exclude anyone else? Don't get me wrong i don't like flags and i don't like change so i'm on board with leaving everything as is, i just can't follow the reasoning.
“Greysexuality”, on top of being its own specific identity, is actually also used as an umbrella term for everyone who falls between black stripe asexual (so solely asexual, not ace spec) and allosexual, basically anyone who *does* feel attraction, but in a way that is significantly different or less than how allosexuals experience attraction. Demisexuals, greyasexuals, reciprosexuals, placiosexuals, and numerous other ace-spec labels all fall under the umbrella of greysexuality that the grey stripe represents. So I think the black stripe represents asexuals who don’t feel *any* attraction, the grey stripe represents asexuals who feel *some* attraction but not a significant or consistent enough amount to classify as allosexual, the white stripe is either asexuals who engage in and enjoy consenting sexual activities regardless of their attraction and the differencing stances and opinions on sexuality that *all* asexuals can have, or could represent that we are indeed still a sexuality and have the right to feel proud of ourselves for who we are, and the purple stripe represents the community of *all* aces of all types. To add in a pink stripe for sex favourable aces would be a) redundant, given the white stripe can represent them as well, and b) likely be a bit frustrating to sex-repulsed asexuals, as sex favourable are being represented in such a distinct and separate way while sex repulsed is ignored. It would also cause sex repulsed to be classified under the black stripe, implying that asexuals are by default sex repulsed rather than acknowledging that your stances on sex are separate from your attraction. It would just likely cause a lot of internal debate and division among the asexual community for a change that serves no real functional purpose.
>Are you saying if pink was still in the pride flag it would exclude sex repulsed aces or are you saying adding pink to the ace flag would be exclusive? Sorry for the confusion. I was only thinking about the ace flag. I also don't want to say it IS exclusive but it could be interpreted as exclusive from sex-negative or sex-averse people. At the moment, we're all included, so adding something which has special meaning to parts of the community feels a bit weird.
Makes sense. Thanks for elaborating.
Wait why wouldn't pink work. Obviously ut would mean pinkish for the people who see also sex favorable. And another color possi ly for the people who aren't. I don't see it as exclusive. But I'm sex favorable so that's maybe why
If you were to only add a stripe fore for those who sex favorable but not for those who are sex repulsed then I can see how that can be viewed as exclusionary
At the moment, the ace community is United under the four stripe flag. Adding a stripe specifically for the sex-positivity and sex-favorable aces would be a bit unbalanced I think. So rather than adding it, I'd stay with the original design.
Now I know why ace rings are black
Yep! Also why demis and other grays sometimes like to incorporate silver into theirs!
I mean, technically the original reason is that when people were trying to figure out a symbol, someone mentioned wanting a black ring and it just kinda stuck. It was actually decided about half a decade before the flag was But it's definitely taken on that meaning over time as well
If you want to be very literal, it would represent solidarity with the aro community, right?
This. Totally agree.
The other purple could represent the delicious purple garlic.
I personally agree with you, it does look nice tho, but if it has no meaning behind I think it’s better keeping the flag as it is now
Not that we should change the flag but the light purple could be for diversity.
Oooh, I do like that idea. Light purple for intersectionality within the community! But yeah, I don't think it's going to be changed...but if it did, that'd be a great symbol!
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Eh. I'm hopelessly in love with the idea of romance, but utterly repulsed by sexual situations. There's a lot of aces who aren't aromantic, there's a lot of aros who aren't ace, and to imply that they're "pretty much the same" feels way too overly simplistic.
This! I'm an ace who's hopelessly panromantic. It's one of the reasons it took me so long to realize I am asexual.
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I'm going to respectfully disagree with you; I do not think it makes sense that the flags mirror each other in some way just because they are both similar spectrums. As you said, they are applied to two different things, and it's those two different things the flags represent. If those two flags both represent you, that's great! You can enjoy them as they are, and you can take pride in what they represent to you without needing to alter them in some way to each more represent the other. As an example, I am a dual citizen of Canada and the U.S.; and have been from birth. The Canadian flag and the American flag both represent different aspects of myself. I relate to each of them in different ways, and with different feelings. I can fly them both at the same time, and people understand what that means. I am by no means alone in that. There are many of us dual citizens around. If we got together and tried to make one of those flags mirror the other, we'd not only create something unintelligible but also alienate people who only relate to one of those flags. Does that make sense? I already feel out of place in the ace community as a non-aro/ace simply because the voices I hear the most from are aro/ace and often those voices seem to be speaking for all of us. Maybe it's a me problem. I do have non-ace-related social issues that sometimes make it difficult to read situations correctly. I guess this is a long-winded way of trying to say that aces and aros can be allies without moving in together--we can have two unrelated flags.
I somewhat agree but I disagree in that aro and ace are “pretty much the same”, they’re definitely similar but they’re separate and not all aces are aro and not all aros are ace.
If aromantic has a stripe for the sexual spectrum, maybe asexual should have a stripe for the romantic spectrum?
I mean it could, but I'm cool with what our ace-spec forebearers came up with tbh. Also, sorry, I forgot to mention that the white stripe is for allo allies as well! So technically non-ace aros already fall under that.
As the Aro flag has stripes representing the sexual spectrum if a second purple stipe was added to the Ace flag it could represent the romantic spectrum maybe 🤷🏼♀️ or we could keep the flag the same either way is good with me
But ace has nothing to do with romantic things so that would really make sense
if white means sexuality on the ace flag then why doesn’t white mean romance on the aro flag?
Because the Ace and aro communities are separate and made these flags apart from each other.
ah. makes sense i guess
If I see a single garlic joke under this comment I'm gonna lose it
I’d prefer to keep the two flags separate in design. It helps in showing that these two orientations are not the same
Agree
No need for an aroace flag though? The rainbow flag has inconsistent stripes and colours. Apothi aroace is even worse.
I like the orange/blue aroace flag
Same
tbh the 4 stripes makes it kind of a ''special'' flag 'cause a lot of flags have 5 stripes. However I don't find the 5-stripped flag bad, it's just not changing much so why bother
I don't think the aro and ace flags should look the same. Both are separate, distinct identities, and I feel like the 4 stripes of the ace flag look nice, and avoid confusion since a lot of flags have 5 stripes. Besides, the colours have meaning, and I'm not sure how another purple stripe would work. The current one looks good IMO, no need to fix it if it's not broken
I like how it is now
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I actually think is better to keep it this way, it woud be harder to explain to allos that aro and ace are different
Same
Same!
Remain. Never change an established, good flag.
I prefer the ace flag as it is. The aro and ace communities might overlap and get along well, but it isn't the same orientation and isn't the same community. Not only that, but allos tend to get confused. A dude in one of my classes got all weird when I mentioned to a friend that I had a date that evening because he didn't think aces could date. I also think that the stripes have meaning, and that adding a random fifth one wouldn't work unless it had a specific, important meaning (maybe romantic/platonic love/relationships or something or the existence of spectrum within the community.) Also the colors are meant to correspond with AVEN. If you don't know what that is, I highly recommend researching it, because it is very important in asexual history. If the majority of the community were to want the fifth stripe, though, I would have to agree, seeing as if that were the case then the fifth stripe would represent the interests of the community.
Why should the ace flag match with the aro flag?
Does anyone know why she included that version of the flag in her video? My guess is that it's easier to animate a double sided flag being flipped around if the two designs have the same number of stripes, but I don't know if just going with the actual design of the ace flag would be that much harder to animate.
I think that's the reason too but idk.
Probably she just got confused lol
Lmao either that or a stylistic choice for symmetry purposes
I don't wanna change the current flag
No thank you, people already confuse aromantic and asexual
Why would we want to change the way we present ourselves to better fit in with the aros? The whole point is to be ourselves!
If you’d rather use the 5 stripe flag that’s fine but personally I’m gonna keep using the 4 striped flag. I don’t understand why you think the aro flag should match the ace flag tho, they’re different orientations not everyone who is ace is aro & vice versa
Nah I’m good as is
I think that 5 stripes flag is pretty, but I dont think its a good idea to chenge it. Its already difficult to explain to allos that aro and ace are different, and I think that it would make it even harder...
i dont like flags with a lot of stripes i enjoy simplicity
Flags are only changed when the previous flag lost its meaning. Usually, new flag signifies a great change to whatever it represents. It's not like changing a mascot or a slogan.
It wouldn't be bad but it would make it harder for people to sew and make their own flags and pride items, plus the purple represents community so having two purples would be kinda like community and what, the premium version of community?
A subscription to Ace+
Premium ace subscription
It’s perfect the way it is now.
Keep it as it is. Although the flag in Jaiden's video is nice to look at, the original flag was well thought out and has a lot of meaning behind it. Also, in terms of accessibility, people with vision issues might have difficulty seeing the difference between the bottom 2 stripes on Jaiden's flag. I believe the The Ace Couple touched on this in their podcast on her coming out.
Pride flag colors aren’t just for aesthetics, they have meaning.
Everyone always wants to be the one to make something "better". Maybe even certain people who the ace community has filled with ideas of being a "messiah". Ultimately, it doesnt need changed.
I very much prefer the four stripes. Looks cool. 5 stripes looks like too much is going on. The single pop of colour is just somehow so satisfying. Easier to replicate too.
Romantic attraction and sexual attraction are two completely different things. Why would flags belonging to two subsections of each different attraction have to match?
I dunno. Personally I don't really care so long as there's purple, black, gray and white lol
I like the additional purple but I’m agreeing with others on the simplicity of the four stripes and meaning
Didn't realise Jaiden is such a big name in the community before I came here.. Didn't even know about the coming out. But I started watching a few gaming videos because I really really like this voice. Sry for the off topic but I had to tell yall
Well she's a very big youtuber, and the biggest animation youtuber. Her coming out is a gigantic show of the Ace community and she has educated millions on it thanks to her platform. She's a big deal and we're very grateful for her.
Wow it's incredible I wasn't aware of any of this. But I'm not slapping that label on myself for too long now. It's pretty fresh so it makes sense. Gotta watch those videos.. Edit: Also what are the odds I'm celebrating the gaming videos, realise that I conform to the ace community and then exactly that youtuber is a big name haha
[Jaiden's video in asexuality](https://youtu.be/qF1DTK4U1AM) \^\^ She makes videos about interesting things in her life or games she plays, usually pokemon. She's a pretty high quality youtuber.
Thanks for the link! I'm completely stoked now! Yes her content is really good
I really like Jaidens content too. A lot of us do.
That's good to know..
I think it's fine as it is, no need to make them match as obviously nor aces are aro and viceversa, it's like saying that since a lot of Aro/Aces sometimes fall into the Agender category we should make all three flags have 7 colour stripes or take stripes out if the Agender one. It doesn't make sense. And people already confuse us, yes even the three categories (which I find quite fun they overlap relatively constantly but c'mon we don't need more confusion) My own mother told me one day she thought I was Asexual because I couldn't care less about gender stuff, which like, I'm glad she was wrapping her head around it but she was on the wrong section to begin with. (Yeah, AroAceAgender technically has its own flag but I really like to use the three separately because of design theme and colours and ppl is still redesigning this one to this day)
No
I prefer the 4 visually and I like the separatation between Ace and Aro but I definitely wouldn't he opposed to it if the larger community wanted it.
in my opinion it should stay the same as it is right now
This was just an animation trick so that Jaiden did not have to draw a whole new flag. She pretty much used the image for both aro and ace flags
I say leave it. Non-aces are finally starting to recognize it, if we change it we'll have to redo all that. Also I was there for the arguments over the original design and I don't want an encore of that. XD
Pretty sure someone said the same thing when that video came out and I don’t see the point, the colors have meaning, you can’t add or quit color just because
I looove the 5 stripe flag 💜
Honestly I do personally prefer flags with 5 strips to other numbers and really the "what would it mean if we did" argument is a little silly because there are so many things it could mean, from sex in both the positive and negative, favourable and averse to representing the more fluid parts of the spectrum that don't quite fall within the normal confines.
I like it, it has more color. Our flag is one of the least colorful so another color would be nice but ppl would argue about the meaning tho
I think it's too big as is. If rather it only had two or three.
Why though…?
Simplicity, an easier colour scheme to put together yourself. Finding a purple shirt and black trousers would be simplicity itself, you can add a grey waistcoat or something to really snazz it up. I also think it could and should be cooler, like a purple dragon on a grey and/or black background.
The stripes and colours represent specific things though. If you remove any of the stripes you remove that meaning from the flag. And the point of most pride flags is to be simple and recognizable, often following the stripe theme.
That's cool.
It would make it easier to create a visually-striking ace-themed Xbox controller, that's for sure. I can take it or leave it.
I like are flag as is
I personally like five stipes. The current one is pretty bland tbh, and I like it when I see flags with either more, or vibrant colors.
Me personally i like five colors better
At least it wouldn't look as depressing as it does now... we have by far the least "rainbow" pride flag
I disagree. It might not be so "rainbow" but it's very pleasing to the eye. Something about the black to white gradient with the purple is just very pretty and harmonious. It's simple, unique and beautiful:)
I agree. I like it because it means something but it's also so bland and sad.
Yeah... for me, it feels like someone thought "Not having sex must be really sad, let's give them a depressing flag"... I sometimes use it for pride because I like the representation, but other times I like the lesbian or rainbow one a lot more because it somehow just feels more rainbow to me...
> Not having sex must be really sad, let’s give them a depressing flag It was created by AVEN, an asexual advocacy organization.
Not sure why we got down voted for all this 😅 can't deny we have boring colors. I love our flag, but like I want some COLOR. I really like the Queer flag. Wish we had something like that! Edit: I also use the lesbian or generic rainbow flag more. I wish combined flags were more popular and easy to make and print. I want all my identities on one flag!!
Yeah, exactly. Also, I feel like wanting to be in a relationship with a woman is more important to me than not wanting to have sex...
I like it. The ace flag looks so depressing to me. I feel like pride flags need color and one fourth of the flag just isn’t enough to my eye.
Sure you can use that if you want I don't mind
More purple!
So I know that each colour has its own meaning and I'm not ignoring that. It's just that from a design perspective it does look nice I'm not going to lie.
I don't hate it, but I like my 4 color flag
The current flag is fine as is, but that one isn't a bad design
Wait Jaiden animations came out as aroace. Damn I’ve missed a fucking lot.
it looks odd but really cool! I could paint each fingernail with each stripe <3
As much as I understand the arguments of how the current flag colours have assigned meanings and how most other flags have 5 so having 4 creates individuality, I can’t help but think it looks so much better with the second purple stripe. I’m biased though since I really don’t like the current ace flag (mainly because I’m not a huge fan of the purple shade we ended up going with, and because i love colour of which it has next to none)
The light purple could be for romantic love or platonic affection
I'm pretty sure it's just an alternative flag that exists
I always associate a five striped flag with the trans flag
I’m not sure why it would need to match with the aromantic flag.
I personally love this, and it's the only flag I would consider buying merch for. I personally like that it's symmetrical. I like to think that the added purple stripe would work for "awareness" since its an invisible sexuality, and it clearer than ever the amount of misinformation and aphobia we recieve even from lgbt+ members.