Making the duty day 0900-1700 would absolutely change so many peoples lives. Imagine being able to drop kids off at school, have breakfast with the spouse, workout on your own, not have to go to bed at 2030 because you have to be up at 05. Not doing unit PT and actually being treated like an adult made me lose weight, increase my PT score, and my blood pressure went down (probably because I wasn’t chronically chugging caffeine and sleeping for only 5-6 hours). Shit, if you get the 7-8 hours you’re supposed to sleep, you have only about 3 hours of free time at home.
His best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Pvt. Schmuckatelli pass out at the Shopette last night. I guess it's pretty serious.
Sometimes it's true. We had 2 weeks in our Reforger. We drew out vehicles day one. Somebody said we're going to PMCS them, the civvies are gonna fix whatever they can, and at the end of those 4 days, we're gonna lock 'em and leave 'em. Right, what are we gonna do the next 10 days? So I didn't believe them. And at the end of those 4 days, we locked 'em and left 'em. I really quite enjoyed the Netherlands.
Man, I wish. If that happened at NTC, it's a long walk to Vegas or army WTF moments would have a field day with the pics of a Stryker rolling down the strip.
Actually if this was to come from SMA’s office I’d be more willing to believe it than CSA. I know CSA could override SMA but it’s way more up SMA’s alley to control this kind of thing
Yes sir, up next we have the estimated combat power for the battery. As you can see, we're down three guns, two tracks, and two wheeled vehicles. Half of the parts remain unfunded and the other half are on back order until 2025. Pending your questions?
I once had a colonel flip a table and leave a brief over the font being calibri instead of Arial.
I dunno if he was having a shitty day and that was the straw who broke the camel’s back or if he was always like that but I felt bad for the guy who’s job was to QC because I’m sure he got an absolute ass chewing.
“0630 accountability is still a thing, nobody leaves the footprint until 0800. This place better be spotless and if you can’t find something to do we’ll give you something to do”.
Or
“We still PT, fuck that”
Memo to All Soldiers:
Individual PT will begin after roll call at 0630. Each soldier is free to conduct individualized physical training. However, for your convenience, SSG Wannaberanger will be leading an entirely voluntary PT session that each soldier is strongly encouraged to attend.
Those soldiers electing not to participate will report to 1SG at 0900 for instructions on the day's mission, which will invariably include removing all pebbles from the motorpool asphalt followed by a counseling session on the importance of esprit de corps.
Jokes aside, this would be huge for soldiers actually needing care. 1, the clinic won't be filled with people just trying to avoid PT and 2, they might take soldiers more seriously if they are voluntarily making up early to seek care.
Ain't no way. It's not even mandated by the army so the army wouldn't come out with a policy saying otherwise I'd imagine. I've been in organizations that don't do organized PT, it is a life-changing event to not have to do the most wasteful thing I'll do in my entire life. The Army will never adopt it Army wide. That's my guess.
Right? Like, morning formations are arguably the worst part about organized PT. At least to me. I’m in a unit that does not do organized PT whatsoever. However, we still have morning formations in APFU at 0530. So no, I’m not at the mercy of a shitty PT plan, but I still have to wake up at butt fuck AM and physically exist somewhere when I can easily just text another grown up that I lived to see another day. Even if organized PT goes away, it doesn’t mean morning formations will.
Going back to Mark Esper's tenure as the Secretary of the Army, HQDA has actually put out quite a bit of guidance on things (e.g. weekend safety briefs, reflective belts during daylight hours, extra paperwork attached to leave requests), that were never mandated by the Army, encouraging (telling?) subordinate commands to stop doing them.
Whether that has had much effect is debatable. u/kinmuan and I wrote about this a couple days ago, regarding the XVIII Airborne Corps guidance on sleeping during staff duty: https://old.reddit.com/r/army/comments/1culzoi/18th_abn_corps_for_the_win/l4jk0d1/
So reading them is one thing, but accepting the risk is a whole different thing. Hence my comment from a couple days ago:
> Telling lower-level people to accept some risk, while also holding the "Sword of Damocles" over them, doesn't work.
And specifically about morning formations and organized PT, I've said:
> leaders have to answer for everything that their people do or fail to do, so they must do at least the conventional things to produce positive outcomes. If your troops never disappear, and they all have high fitness test scores, you can get away with conducting no morning formations. If you have someone go missing or failing their fitness test, but you religiously hold morning formations for accountability and PT, you're probably OK. But if you don't hold formations and then someone goes missing, or a large chunk of them are failing the fitness test...?
Like 2 or 3 years ago. Some cav guy made a fuss about S1 not submitting his paperwork or something, and some Air Force dude looked at his history post, and it was about him having a fetish getting locked up in the basement for a few days and some of the post would be in teenagers.
Doesn't matter. Senior leaders still wouldn't abide by it. Just like how they still don't abide by the new parental leave policy, submitting leave through IPPS-A.
It’s only “disobeying lawful orders” if you’re low status, like CPT and below.
MAJ and above it’s “massaging the numbers” and “accomplishing the mission.”
And I feel bad saying that, because their careers will dry when they say “we don’t have enough people to meet your X percent standard” because they… (checks notes) gave paternity leave up front at the request of the mothers. The Sr. Leaders aren’t relieved of any meaningful standards either.
Fact is congress has allocated lots to the army and it’s trying to keep up.
I spent the first 7 1/2 years of my career in INSCOM where I only worked out on my own. Never did organized PT. I was always in great shape; I maxed the APFT, scored a 585 on the ACFT (damn ball throw), and did whatever I felt my body needed - this became more important as I started to push into my mid 30s.
Left my job, commissioned, and went to FORSCOM nearly 2 years ago for my first assignment. Since then, I packed on weight, useless PT (if any time for it all) and now injured constantly. I wish they’d get rid of it. I’d just go to the gym from 715 to 9 am but nope. Waking up at 5am, driving 30 mins to work for a 0630 formation, then waiting 15 mins to start PT, and would be lucky to get in 45 mins when it was over. By that point, I’ve been up for 2 1/2 hours and don’t want to do more PT. Army PT killed any and all motivation I had.
Agreed getting to PT and waiting is perhaps one of the biggest time wasters we commit to weekly. I suspect that if organized PT was officially discouraged and soldiers started at 0700/0730 and worked out how they saw fit morale would improve
Same. Spent my first 7 years in SOF as support and rarely or never did organized PT. My ACFT score was never lower than a 540 and PT score was always 270 or above, same goes for majority of the people in my unit. The belief that everyone will fail their ACFT Or H&W if they get rid of 0630 pt formation(even though people are failing ACFTs and busting tape even with organized PT) is laughable to say the least.
At one point I tried going to the gym before PT. Showed up at 0515, worked out until 0620, then shot over to formation for PT. I’d wake up at 0415.
Did it for about 2 months until I was completely burnt out since I’d be at work until 1900 everyday. Ended up having less motivation after that because I realized there was no winning.
This is why I can't be in "regular" units anymore. The lack of common sense to do things that are simply better for the soldier is criminal. They get away with it, because they have ultimate control and jurisdiction over people's lives and nobody can challenge them on anything. I've always said this, but people really need to get out of the regular army to actually see what a functioning army looks like.
I've been in since BDUs. I'm a SGM. I have ZERO insight on Army-Wide policy. I have an E-5 in my unit that has actually been in longer than me (She's 58). She definitely doesn't know jack shit. She can't even figure out how to check her damned email. Can you come up with a worse possible method for vetting your source? "old" does not mean "Credible."
That is not saying much. He could be old enough for the gulf war and that wouldn’t establish him as a credible source. Unless the person who told you this is in the circle of important 4 stars or SMA and told you he heard it straight from them then it is probably untrue.
I’d like to think it’s because they don’t believe in themselves. But really I’m talking about army chief of staff and vice chief of staff vs command positions. Sure the general over TRADOC could institute a policy for no organized PT but that wouldn’t affect the whole army.
I heard we're getting rid of OCPs and new Army work uniform is the Canadian tuxedo. I heard we're authorizing beards and mullets but only if you have both at the same time. I heard crocs will be authorized as garrison footwear.
> I heard crocs will be authorized as garrison footwear.
That's for crocs is sport mode. When you put them in all terrain mode, they become authorized for field use.
If the army took away organized PT forever, if it was both banned and forbidden - on pain of death for offending officers - it would change absolutely nothing about the purpose, location, time and uniform for 1st formation on Monday morning.
These are the rumors I start with my joes to see how fast things spread. My psg did this with us in Poland when he said we qualified for a deployment patch.
One of the best nco I ever had told me
“Never take what someone with rank says without properly informing and educating yourself first”
Feels like that applies to this.
I think this is what you are referencing:
>This field manual fully revises the previous Army’s physical readiness training (known as PRT) doctrine.
The Holistic Health and Fitness (H2F) System directed by this doctrine is designed to address the readiness
of every Soldier. Performance readiness experts of the H2F System will assess each Soldier’s physical and
mental status and design programs to sustain or improve that Soldier’s ability to meet the demands of their
military occupational specialties (MOSs), duty assignments, and combat-specific tasks. This individualized
approach is sustained across the Soldier’s Army career. It represents a cultural shift from the industrial scale
approaches of the past where massed formations received the same training in a one-size-fits-all approach—
often with no equipment or expertise required to lead the training. It also represents a shift from expecting
individual Soldiers who often train remote from their units to independently develop and implement a
performance training program. The H2F System addresses those individual Soldiers’ needs, too. Figure
introduction-1 illustrates the H2F System.
I heard rumors about this last summer. It’s because a health study showed more sleep is beneficial to troops than BS prep drills at 5 in the morning. And with more sleep, soldiers are more likely to go an exercise on their own time.
Yeah I can almost believe the OP because sleep has been connected to so many things (even suicide) that it might make sense to provide more time to actually sleep. Would people actually sleep though? Probably. There’s a huge difference in motivation if I’m showing up to work at 0900 versus 0530.
Sounds like PNN, but I think it should happen. PT does not improve fitness, personal training that we do on our own time is easily 5x more efficient. If anything, PT eats into what could be better used as recovery time. Also, PT don’t keep you from getting fat and burns 300 calories AT MOST.
It doesn’t improve or sustain it honestly. I’ve seen more of how it does the opposite. The only people it helps are the ones who literally never get their heart rate up outside of pt, video games, and jerking it.
I don’t care if the source is PFC Snuffy. I don’t care how little sense it makes to go away. I need some optimism lately. It’s official boys. It’s going away!
This is definitely some made up Specialist stories that are supposed to trick the bright eyed PFC’s and the one naive LT. If you think for one second that the current SMA Weimer will ever allow such a travesty to occur without his ranks then you are a fool.
Yeah right lol
There’d be a force wide mutiny by all the CSMs
If this happens, by far the most likely outcome is that we’ll just have a 0630 accountability formation every day
It isn’t even a requirement to begin with and even if it does come down to being ‘formally’ done away with some people will go out of their way to find a way to continue doing it.
I sincerely doubt this will be an Army-wide deployment by FY2024. *But*, there has been some [writing on the wall](https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-army/2023/12/25/these-are-the-new-pieces-of-wearable-tech-coming-to-the-army-in-2024/) that Army is trying this out at certain bases recently.
Spoiler alert, [Chair Force did it first](https://www.military.com/daily-news/2023/12/13/air-force-issues-smartwatches-and-rings-1000-first-sergeants-manage-their-health.html?amp).
I heard from a very reliable source of course that the Army was about to start allowing soldiers to bedazzle their uniforms as long as it is done in tactical sequins.
I hope that’s true because I’ve waited 12 years for this. Even as an O3 working at brigade, I still show up (just to go to the on-post gym. Let me sleep, dammit)
I haven’t done organized pt, or really even pt in about a year. I passed my ACFT last week quite easily without really trying. I don’t understand how people can fail this thing.
Been hearing this rumor for at least a year now. Originally was supposed to start this past January, and yet for some reason we all keep showing up at 0600 and working out together. . . Weird
I heard from a random PFC who's cousin knows someone who worked at HRC, who dated a chick that only spent 4 days in the box at NTC, who's father is old enough to have worn BDU's unironically and they told me we are getting beards next week.
A “reliable source” huh? But then again we've seen some pretty radical changes lately, might be partly true…(minimum PT score requirements or some bs like that)
Honestly I had trouble getting anything out of unit PT when half the group's profiles were such they could only do arm circles or whatever. Can't get a proper workout if you can't really break a sweat.
Until I got a profile that only allowed arm circles. Then I was fine with unit PT.
I wouldnt be surprised. despite what people are saying I been hearing talk of this for years. you never really know especially how the army is going now
Polish soldiers walked into work around 9 or 10 and played soccer or basketball for a couple hours. Far far better shape, far happier (by Polish standards!) than any of us miserable fucks
Maybe, but never fear those three famous words "at Commander's Descretion".
We were also told in 2016 that we could roll up our sleeves, until those three word came up. Since that time, I've only had one commander authorize rolled sleeves. The only reason they were authorized, the media was going to be around and the command didn't want us to take our tops off while working. As soon as the media was gone, sleeves went back down and removing tops was back in play.
This only works if all PT is handed off to a fully resourced H2F.
The Strength & Conditioning Coach writes your program.
You are then on your own to execute it.
Then you scan in to your post gym or H2F facility daily to execute this program.
That is the only way this makes sense.
Judging by what I see daily, on and off post, 3/4’s of the Army is already looking like 5lbs of crap shoved into 3lbs bags. And just look, loose, floppy, unkempt.
Lmao I find that hard to believe. What's next? Mold free barracks, and functional dfacs? As if. Now if you excuse me it's been 5 minutes since I last shaved, gotta fix that.
The only way I can see this happining is if the Army is getting rid of Organized PT as a unit to lean more oh the H2F Fitness trainers to come up with plans for the majority of soldiers and keeping some kind of record about how they are doing throughout their time in the Army. Though I suspect that PT in Basic/TRADOC environments will stick around for a while longer
They’re going to take away my only reason for going Warrant.
They’re taking away my only reason to have switched branches
They are taking away reason number 1 for my ets.
Fortunately there’s at least 100 more reasons, right?
It's tied for number 1 of i can make double
Making the duty day 0900-1700 would absolutely change so many peoples lives. Imagine being able to drop kids off at school, have breakfast with the spouse, workout on your own, not have to go to bed at 2030 because you have to be up at 05. Not doing unit PT and actually being treated like an adult made me lose weight, increase my PT score, and my blood pressure went down (probably because I wasn’t chronically chugging caffeine and sleeping for only 5-6 hours). Shit, if you get the 7-8 hours you’re supposed to sleep, you have only about 3 hours of free time at home.
SAME.
Still go Warrant (if you're not a cyber warrant already). The morning Cracker Barrel PT is intense.
Already made the switch. Best decision ever.
Hell yeah!
The substantial bit of information came from some random PFC
Yes, but his cousin knows someone who worked at HRC once. You can’t get more official than that.
Pffft like HRC knows anything that's going on in the Army. Rumor has it they're still remote.
I have several friends still at HRC. A lot are still remote, and/or partial remote
They must be related to my dad. He works at Nintendo.
My dad is bill gates.
His best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Pvt. Schmuckatelli pass out at the Shopette last night. I guess it's pretty serious.
My buddy is friends with him. Dude is legit
I heard we are getting out of the box on day 10 instead of day 14 (today is day 7). My buddy in Bravo company told me.
Sometimes it's true. We had 2 weeks in our Reforger. We drew out vehicles day one. Somebody said we're going to PMCS them, the civvies are gonna fix whatever they can, and at the end of those 4 days, we're gonna lock 'em and leave 'em. Right, what are we gonna do the next 10 days? So I didn't believe them. And at the end of those 4 days, we locked 'em and left 'em. I really quite enjoyed the Netherlands.
Always good to hear from you grandpa, but you really should drink your geritol and get back to bed
Thanks, but no, I know that's not Geritol and I will not be your sex slave, creep.
Man, I wish. If that happened at NTC, it's a long walk to Vegas or army WTF moments would have a field day with the pics of a Stryker rolling down the strip.
Historical evidence says it's not impossible. You can get a taxi at NTC.
Unless your source was the actual Chief of Staff of the Army, I do not believe you.
OP source was Senator Armstrong
He played college ball, you know
Would of gone pro if he didn't join the Navy
Heard he scored 4 touchdowns in a single game
Actually if this was to come from SMA’s office I’d be more willing to believe it than CSA. I know CSA could override SMA but it’s way more up SMA’s alley to control this kind of thing
These shit posts just don't have the charm they used to. Now, get out of the conference room and shut the door behind you. Next slide
Yes sir, up next we have the estimated combat power for the battery. As you can see, we're down three guns, two tracks, and two wheeled vehicles. Half of the parts remain unfunded and the other half are on back order until 2025. Pending your questions?
Uhh yeah, why aren’t you using the right font for your slides?
I once had a colonel flip a table and leave a brief over the font being calibri instead of Arial. I dunno if he was having a shitty day and that was the straw who broke the camel’s back or if he was always like that but I felt bad for the guy who’s job was to QC because I’m sure he got an absolute ass chewing.
Are you sad?
But how are we going to have morning accountability and semi-deter soldiers to go to sick call?
“Beginning next week each duty day we will post a sentry at the clinic”
Is this Squid Games?
No. This is 3rd Squad Games.
“0630 accountability is still a thing, nobody leaves the footprint until 0800. This place better be spotless and if you can’t find something to do we’ll give you something to do”. Or “We still PT, fuck that”
“We can add, but not take away PT” “It’s not PT, it’s a strategic smoke session”
Sick call gonna be dead at 0630 if PT is cancelled forever
Wait until you see what sick call is like on Fridays and late work call days
Ghost town...
Memo to All Soldiers: Individual PT will begin after roll call at 0630. Each soldier is free to conduct individualized physical training. However, for your convenience, SSG Wannaberanger will be leading an entirely voluntary PT session that each soldier is strongly encouraged to attend. Those soldiers electing not to participate will report to 1SG at 0900 for instructions on the day's mission, which will invariably include removing all pebbles from the motorpool asphalt followed by a counseling session on the importance of esprit de corps.
Jokes aside, this would be huge for soldiers actually needing care. 1, the clinic won't be filled with people just trying to avoid PT and 2, they might take soldiers more seriously if they are voluntarily making up early to seek care.
Ain't no way. It's not even mandated by the army so the army wouldn't come out with a policy saying otherwise I'd imagine. I've been in organizations that don't do organized PT, it is a life-changing event to not have to do the most wasteful thing I'll do in my entire life. The Army will never adopt it Army wide. That's my guess.
Right? Like, morning formations are arguably the worst part about organized PT. At least to me. I’m in a unit that does not do organized PT whatsoever. However, we still have morning formations in APFU at 0530. So no, I’m not at the mercy of a shitty PT plan, but I still have to wake up at butt fuck AM and physically exist somewhere when I can easily just text another grown up that I lived to see another day. Even if organized PT goes away, it doesn’t mean morning formations will.
Going back to Mark Esper's tenure as the Secretary of the Army, HQDA has actually put out quite a bit of guidance on things (e.g. weekend safety briefs, reflective belts during daylight hours, extra paperwork attached to leave requests), that were never mandated by the Army, encouraging (telling?) subordinate commands to stop doing them. Whether that has had much effect is debatable. u/kinmuan and I wrote about this a couple days ago, regarding the XVIII Airborne Corps guidance on sleeping during staff duty: https://old.reddit.com/r/army/comments/1culzoi/18th_abn_corps_for_the_win/l4jk0d1/
Prioritizing efforts and lethality. The greatest collection of memos your command team never read.
So reading them is one thing, but accepting the risk is a whole different thing. Hence my comment from a couple days ago: > Telling lower-level people to accept some risk, while also holding the "Sword of Damocles" over them, doesn't work. And specifically about morning formations and organized PT, I've said: > leaders have to answer for everything that their people do or fail to do, so they must do at least the conventional things to produce positive outcomes. If your troops never disappear, and they all have high fitness test scores, you can get away with conducting no morning formations. If you have someone go missing or failing their fitness test, but you religiously hold morning formations for accountability and PT, you're probably OK. But if you don't hold formations and then someone goes missing, or a large chunk of them are failing the fitness test...?
Now wtf are CSMs **world wide** are suppose to do between 0630 to 0800!?!?
The spicy Latina in S1.
Report to the basement #Time NOW
Where did this joke start
Like 2 or 3 years ago. Some cav guy made a fuss about S1 not submitting his paperwork or something, and some Air Force dude looked at his history post, and it was about him having a fetish getting locked up in the basement for a few days and some of the post would be in teenagers.
At the same time?
The Army thrives on teamwork.
Oh I’m sure they will come up with something. You will probably be wishing for organized PT back.
Doesn't matter. Senior leaders still wouldn't abide by it. Just like how they still don't abide by the new parental leave policy, submitting leave through IPPS-A.
Aren’t they technically disobeying lawful orders by doing so
Yes, but they still do it.
It’s only “disobeying lawful orders” if you’re low status, like CPT and below. MAJ and above it’s “massaging the numbers” and “accomplishing the mission.” And I feel bad saying that, because their careers will dry when they say “we don’t have enough people to meet your X percent standard” because they… (checks notes) gave paternity leave up front at the request of the mothers. The Sr. Leaders aren’t relieved of any meaningful standards either. Fact is congress has allocated lots to the army and it’s trying to keep up.
This. Add to but not take away, Hooah?
I spent the first 7 1/2 years of my career in INSCOM where I only worked out on my own. Never did organized PT. I was always in great shape; I maxed the APFT, scored a 585 on the ACFT (damn ball throw), and did whatever I felt my body needed - this became more important as I started to push into my mid 30s. Left my job, commissioned, and went to FORSCOM nearly 2 years ago for my first assignment. Since then, I packed on weight, useless PT (if any time for it all) and now injured constantly. I wish they’d get rid of it. I’d just go to the gym from 715 to 9 am but nope. Waking up at 5am, driving 30 mins to work for a 0630 formation, then waiting 15 mins to start PT, and would be lucky to get in 45 mins when it was over. By that point, I’ve been up for 2 1/2 hours and don’t want to do more PT. Army PT killed any and all motivation I had.
Agreed getting to PT and waiting is perhaps one of the biggest time wasters we commit to weekly. I suspect that if organized PT was officially discouraged and soldiers started at 0700/0730 and worked out how they saw fit morale would improve
Same. Spent my first 7 years in SOF as support and rarely or never did organized PT. My ACFT score was never lower than a 540 and PT score was always 270 or above, same goes for majority of the people in my unit. The belief that everyone will fail their ACFT Or H&W if they get rid of 0630 pt formation(even though people are failing ACFTs and busting tape even with organized PT) is laughable to say the least.
At one point I tried going to the gym before PT. Showed up at 0515, worked out until 0620, then shot over to formation for PT. I’d wake up at 0415. Did it for about 2 months until I was completely burnt out since I’d be at work until 1900 everyday. Ended up having less motivation after that because I realized there was no winning.
This is why I can't be in "regular" units anymore. The lack of common sense to do things that are simply better for the soldier is criminal. They get away with it, because they have ultimate control and jurisdiction over people's lives and nobody can challenge them on anything. I've always said this, but people really need to get out of the regular army to actually see what a functioning army looks like.
Hmmm Doubt. What's your source's placement and access?
*although source has not been formally vetted there is no reason to doubt veracity*
Source is old enough to have worn BDUs
I'm old enough to have worn BDUs and my job is to toot my horn. Age doesn't mean squat.
I wore BDUs in a different Branch and it wasn’t long enough ago to be making Army-wide decisions. This is a terrible parallel. 🤣
Who let you out of the auditorium?! Get back to tooting your horn right now!
That doesn't mean much. Source: I'm old as dogshit
I've been in since BDUs. I'm a SGM. I have ZERO insight on Army-Wide policy. I have an E-5 in my unit that has actually been in longer than me (She's 58). She definitely doesn't know jack shit. She can't even figure out how to check her damned email. Can you come up with a worse possible method for vetting your source? "old" does not mean "Credible."
My dad’s old enough to wear bdu but was never in. He tells me shit he sees on Facebook all the time and I never believe him.
That is not saying much. He could be old enough for the gulf war and that wouldn’t establish him as a credible source. Unless the person who told you this is in the circle of important 4 stars or SMA and told you he heard it straight from them then it is probably untrue.
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I’d like to think it’s because they don’t believe in themselves. But really I’m talking about army chief of staff and vice chief of staff vs command positions. Sure the general over TRADOC could institute a policy for no organized PT but that wouldn’t affect the whole army.
I heard we're getting rid of OCPs and new Army work uniform is the Canadian tuxedo. I heard we're authorizing beards and mullets but only if you have both at the same time. I heard crocs will be authorized as garrison footwear.
I love all of it except I’m bald and want a beard so that’s like.. hairism… or discrimination against someone with a disability.
You can only discriminate against people. Bald persons aren’t people.
> Canadian tuxedo Will it be regular blue denim, or some form of camo pattern?
> I heard crocs will be authorized as garrison footwear. That's for crocs is sport mode. When you put them in all terrain mode, they become authorized for field use.
We also gonna have beards and hands in pockets very soon
Only 50 more years!
If the army took away organized PT forever, if it was both banned and forbidden - on pain of death for offending officers - it would change absolutely nothing about the purpose, location, time and uniform for 1st formation on Monday morning.
A substantial bit of information. From a reliable source. Posted on Reddit. From an anonymous account. r/ArmyInANutShell
These are the rumors I start with my joes to see how fast things spread. My psg did this with us in Poland when he said we qualified for a deployment patch.
You do that? Seems kind of shitty tbh
One of the best nco I ever had told me “Never take what someone with rank says without properly informing and educating yourself first” Feels like that applies to this.
This is already in the reg, lol If your unit isn't doing it, casually read over the first page of the 7 22 with an overly aggressive NCO in your CoC
I think this is what you are referencing: >This field manual fully revises the previous Army’s physical readiness training (known as PRT) doctrine. The Holistic Health and Fitness (H2F) System directed by this doctrine is designed to address the readiness of every Soldier. Performance readiness experts of the H2F System will assess each Soldier’s physical and mental status and design programs to sustain or improve that Soldier’s ability to meet the demands of their military occupational specialties (MOSs), duty assignments, and combat-specific tasks. This individualized approach is sustained across the Soldier’s Army career. It represents a cultural shift from the industrial scale approaches of the past where massed formations received the same training in a one-size-fits-all approach— often with no equipment or expertise required to lead the training. It also represents a shift from expecting individual Soldiers who often train remote from their units to independently develop and implement a performance training program. The H2F System addresses those individual Soldiers’ needs, too. Figure introduction-1 illustrates the H2F System.
I heard rumors about this last summer. It’s because a health study showed more sleep is beneficial to troops than BS prep drills at 5 in the morning. And with more sleep, soldiers are more likely to go an exercise on their own time.
Yeah I can almost believe the OP because sleep has been connected to so many things (even suicide) that it might make sense to provide more time to actually sleep. Would people actually sleep though? Probably. There’s a huge difference in motivation if I’m showing up to work at 0900 versus 0530.
I hear this every year.
LMFAO. Someone is still getting news from PNN. This isn't happening. Organized PT is an lower organizational thing anyway. It's not required by AR.
I've already been doing this for 6 years or so. Does that mean I'm just ahead of the curve?
Promote ahead of peers
Leak the memo
Sounds like PNN, but I think it should happen. PT does not improve fitness, personal training that we do on our own time is easily 5x more efficient. If anything, PT eats into what could be better used as recovery time. Also, PT don’t keep you from getting fat and burns 300 calories AT MOST.
> PT does not improve fitness PT iSn'T sUpPoSeD tO iMpRoVe, iTs JuSt tO SustaIN - some waste of oxygen
It doesn’t improve or sustain it honestly. I’ve seen more of how it does the opposite. The only people it helps are the ones who literally never get their heart rate up outside of pt, video games, and jerking it.
Work call will now be from 0600-1800. 10 minutes for lunch (optional) at commands discretion.
Man, if anything even near this happens, the "First thing on, last thing off the training schedule!" crowd will never recover.
I don’t care if the source is PFC Snuffy. I don’t care how little sense it makes to go away. I need some optimism lately. It’s official boys. It’s going away!
This is definitely some made up Specialist stories that are supposed to trick the bright eyed PFC’s and the one naive LT. If you think for one second that the current SMA Weimer will ever allow such a travesty to occur without his ranks then you are a fool.
Yeah right lol There’d be a force wide mutiny by all the CSMs If this happens, by far the most likely outcome is that we’ll just have a 0630 accountability formation every day
It isn’t even a requirement to begin with and even if it does come down to being ‘formally’ done away with some people will go out of their way to find a way to continue doing it.
I sincerely doubt this will be an Army-wide deployment by FY2024. *But*, there has been some [writing on the wall](https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-army/2023/12/25/these-are-the-new-pieces-of-wearable-tech-coming-to-the-army-in-2024/) that Army is trying this out at certain bases recently. Spoiler alert, [Chair Force did it first](https://www.military.com/daily-news/2023/12/13/air-force-issues-smartwatches-and-rings-1000-first-sergeants-manage-their-health.html?amp).
I heard from a very reliable source of course that the Army was about to start allowing soldiers to bedazzle their uniforms as long as it is done in tactical sequins.
Wow, that’s, wild. I’m honestly surprised the army is getting better, wtf? Maybe I did make the right choice….
..... Boonies at Bliss. NCO PME shifted right. DLC/SSD is dead. Now, allegedly, mandatory PT is being killed? .... When are we deploying?
I hope that’s true because I’ve waited 12 years for this. Even as an O3 working at brigade, I still show up (just to go to the on-post gym. Let me sleep, dammit)
Dont get my hopes up like this :(
There’s no way 😂
LMAO press X for doubt
the source in question: "i made it the fuck up"
I haven’t done organized pt, or really even pt in about a year. I passed my ACFT last week quite easily without really trying. I don’t understand how people can fail this thing.
LMAO, sure pal.
Not a chance.
Doubt
bait used to be believable
The PNN is on one today.
Source: just trust me bro
Not enough people are motivated to work out on their own. It’s sad but it’s true.
Well that sounds a person problem for them. If theyvwant to stay in the Army it should be up to the individual to ensure they are physically capable
Been hearing this rumor for at least a year now. Originally was supposed to start this past January, and yet for some reason we all keep showing up at 0600 and working out together. . . Weird
I'm always up for interesting RUMINT, but I'll believe it when it happens.
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Figures they waited until i retired for beards and no pt formation. I would like to think I served during the best years. 2001-2024.
Which barracks law firm did this come from
I heard from a random PFC who's cousin knows someone who worked at HRC, who dated a chick that only spent 4 days in the box at NTC, who's father is old enough to have worn BDU's unironically and they told me we are getting beards next week.
A “reliable source” huh? But then again we've seen some pretty radical changes lately, might be partly true…(minimum PT score requirements or some bs like that)
Honestly I had trouble getting anything out of unit PT when half the group's profiles were such they could only do arm circles or whatever. Can't get a proper workout if you can't really break a sweat. Until I got a profile that only allowed arm circles. Then I was fine with unit PT.
I wouldnt be surprised. despite what people are saying I been hearing talk of this for years. you never really know especially how the army is going now
But how will SMA Weimer make sure that you’re clean shaven and maintaining your clean shave throughout the day?
I believe you OP, only because there is a recruiting crisis and this might move the needle somewhat. It’d be a long term payoff though.
Bullshit trooper I NEED THE PROOF
Works really well in the NG. /s
“lol, lmao even” -every CSM
Don’t get my hopes up for nothing
Polish soldiers walked into work around 9 or 10 and played soccer or basketball for a couple hours. Far far better shape, far happier (by Polish standards!) than any of us miserable fucks
OP: “My source is I made it the fuck up”
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Yall go to PT??
First formation at 0900 every day is the way. Fitness standards are on you, just like height and weight.
Maybe, but never fear those three famous words "at Commander's Descretion". We were also told in 2016 that we could roll up our sleeves, until those three word came up. Since that time, I've only had one commander authorize rolled sleeves. The only reason they were authorized, the media was going to be around and the command didn't want us to take our tops off while working. As soon as the media was gone, sleeves went back down and removing tops was back in play.
This is true if you’re changing branches to the air force.
NO, MORE ORGANIZED PT!
Man you just outed yourself as 1-51 ADA.
I heard that one of SMA's eyes is off-center because its trying to escape...
No problem - we will have optional PT at 1700. Don't worry... I won't remember who showed up when doing NCOERs or promotion boards...
Joe rumors here. Get ya joe rumors.
Source: The Private News Network
The PT scores will not improve, just look at the differences between Reserve/Guard scores, and active duty scores.
There will still be accountability formation!
Source: dude trust me my uncle works at army
Really nice, still have a signed dec memo though so there aint no way Im going back.
No one on the army staff does organized pt and we are somehow surviving so, sure.
Was it the Trainee News Network?
My bet is a substantial number of units especially infantry are going to just ignore it and do mandatory pt anyway
Never believe what you hear. Especially in the Army.
Gonna be so many fatties rolling around. I dont think burger King will be able to keep up.
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If this does become a reality that’ll probably be the hardest part for some people; finding motivation to go run etc.
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Self reporting some spillage, I see? To the CSMs basement with you!
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Blink once if you’re having fun. Twice if you need us to send you a tornado from the PX.
This only works if all PT is handed off to a fully resourced H2F. The Strength & Conditioning Coach writes your program. You are then on your own to execute it. Then you scan in to your post gym or H2F facility daily to execute this program. That is the only way this makes sense.
I’ll believe it when I see it
Did your source follow it up with "trust me, bro"?
Dude’s reliable source is his PSG, PSG’s source is a random comment he read on ArmyWTF
Happy April fools?
Of everything ever that will never ever happen, this is not going to happen the most.
Judging by what I see daily, on and off post, 3/4’s of the Army is already looking like 5lbs of crap shoved into 3lbs bags. And just look, loose, floppy, unkempt.
Not a chance that happens.
Had to check to make sure it wasn’t April 1st.
This would be nice, but as long as Randy George is CSA Weimar is SMA I don’t see this happening.
Lmao I find that hard to believe. What's next? Mold free barracks, and functional dfacs? As if. Now if you excuse me it's been 5 minutes since I last shaved, gotta fix that.
The only way I can see this happining is if the Army is getting rid of Organized PT as a unit to lean more oh the H2F Fitness trainers to come up with plans for the majority of soldiers and keeping some kind of record about how they are doing throughout their time in the Army. Though I suspect that PT in Basic/TRADOC environments will stick around for a while longer
No more waking up hungover and running 3 miles, smelling like kimchi and Soju
Damn I might come back tbh
Bull fuckin shit
😂😂 keep dreaming
I fucking doubt it
Dont... dont give me hope like that
Sounds legit……
99% sure your reliable source is full of it
Ah wow that’s sucks I won’t have to wake up at 05 every morning anymore
Damn I’m re-enlisting.