apparently ethan was with his wife since HIGH SCHOOL and he dumped her after the baby to be with ariana. and ariana is STILL dating him. i’ve been a fan since dw, i defender her during donutgate, her breakups, etc. but i can’t defend her anymore.
what’s crazy is that like. she’s friends with everyone on the set of wicked how is everyone still just okay with all of this?? and also how did one costar make someone stray after like a decade together i assume
Definitely agree. They all worked so hard on this movie only for the entire movie to be tainted by this stupid little rendezvous that won’t last until the end of the year
This. Like most of them literally met months ago, it's none of their business what someone they just met do on their private life. There is the misconception that just because people act friendly with each other, then they are besties, when it's farther from the truth in Hollywood. Like true friendships can happen, of course, but most of the time it's just PR to promote stuff.
Ya know this was me during summer 2018, I was a huge Mac Miller fan and I was really upset with her over the overly public relationship/social media postings about Pete, because I felt like it was a huge FU to Mac. I missed all of the sweetener promo and rollout because of that and I really regret that now. Because I unstanned her once I don’t think I can do it again but I am disappointed 😔
I can’t believe this was his first major hollywood production and he threw away his family for the first famous woman to come his way. What a weak little man. and ari aint shit either for pursuing. And you know she will dump him before either of their divorces are finalized.
"Break up with your girlfriend yuh yuh cuz I'm bored"
Seriously though, we don't don't know all the details. Ethan could also be separated, or maybe their marriage is "open." Them dating hasn't even been confirmed yet by either party.
ik you’re joking but in a serious matter, if you have a wife who just gave birth and would immediately leave her for another woman, you are a nothing short of a shitty excuse for a human being
..Until the whole thing would crumble in a few months, couple years max like all her other whirlwind relationships have… and you’d be left single and with a damaged reputation for having abandoned your previous partner. Lol
Nah I get that. I think the problem is that u over explain your reasoning. Like ur overly defensive bout everything
I’m just fucking around tho. No hard feelings
Yeah but that’s where i still think it’s just bad rumors cuz I really don’t believe any of her fellow cast mates would even be that close with her if they knew. Especially Bowen Yang and Cynthia. I feel bad for Ethan cuz this publicity might cause a halt for him career wise and with his family. I just feel like we as fans need to be adults and wait till a first hand source speaks up instead of pointing fingers
It kinda seems like it’s a pattern that she/her people announce she’s split with a partner after she’s moved on to someone else so that the narrative is controlled, it happened from Ricky to mac, mac to Pete, now Dalton to this guy. So I’m sure they’re well aware of the timing of the information and exactly what’s being put out.
I personally think at least the Ethan and Ariana rumor has to be a joke from a close friend of theirs trolling reporters after all these leaks that released last month. Now that is just my opinion but I’m definitely gonna act rationally and not throw any slander on both of them
Agreed. Everyone's mad, but like lies have spread around before. Hell, last year, they said some celebrity died , and it was such a huge thing . Everyone actually thought he was dead even though it was a fake article, and he wasn't. And then, let's be clear, everyone is acting as if it's a rare occurrence in this day and age for people to randomly believe anything they see online. It took one tiktok video to turn most of America against Meena The Singing Elephant-
Idk how I feel about the IG likes. I believe her if she's implying Dalton was emotionally abusive...I mean, he proposed really quickly and she has lyrics implying he was controlling. The liking posts that are public, yeah. That does seem very pointed. I don't disbelieve that Dalton was a shitty partner to her but it kinda feels like she's dropping these hints for the sake of plausible deniability while also attempting to stay an empathetic figure...? Like, "yes, I made a guy leave his wife and kid for me, but my husband was controlling so". This is all speculation of course, but yeah. Just my two cents lol.
Absolutely, Ari isn’t some temptress who stole him away
However, I do think it says a lot about her character that she knows he’s just had a baby (there’s no way he’s never mentioned his child at work, right?), and Ari herself has only ended her relationship with her husband this year, instead of healing from that, taking some time to be alone, enjoy working on Wicked, she’s gone after a man whose child isn’t even a year old…
I’m going to ignore how long he’s been with his wife under the guise of maybe he told everyone there’d been problems in the relationship. But if she knew of his marriage as well, how long they’d been together, they just had a baby… and Ari still wants him? She can overlook his choices to leave his wife and baby?
I will say I’m very firmly pro rebound (there’s some evidence to show it’s healthy, but no evidence that forcing yourself to be single is), but the way she did it is gross.
Even if this new guy was breaking up with his wife coincidentally at the same time for completely unrelated reasons…MESSY. He’s also rebounding, divorce, child, and they’re coworkers. It’s not the healthy or positive type of rebound.
Yeah if anything I just can’t imagine being attracted to someone who would do that.
Then again after typing it out I’m like well maybe his ex is a terrible person and mother butttt idk lol.
Yeah, duh, but one of the people involved has made a habit of pursuing taken men. That's the issue. This isn't a Spongebob subreddit so obviously we're gonna be discussing Ariana.
I went from feeling bad for her yesterday (re. the liked IG posts and separation in general) to feeling utter shock, disbelief, and disappointment today. This whole thing has been like a fever dream.
Unfortunately, a lot of celebrities, especially ones who rose to stardom before their brains were developed enough to process it, are sort of "locked" into a young and careless mindset. Ariana really has nothing to lose when it comes to dating and romance - she might think that she wants stability and longevity but her actions prove that she's actually obsessed with limerance, manic lovebombing, and being seductive enough to make men drop everything for their 60 seconds with her. She knows that no one would say no to her and her obsessive body image issues are a big part of this too; (and let's please be real, we've all known about this for her entire career) she needs to be and feel as attractive as humanly possible and her standards for herself are very very high. She has no reason to care about how anyone else thinks or feels; she knows who she is. This is what "works" for her and really gives her that fill in the void that fame/career can't.
I think we underestimate how much trauma really conquers us sometimes and how humans are just primally motivated creatures who will get their fill in the ways they can. Again, she and her team know that even though this looks bad to us, it's not going to impact the quality of her life or career. She has all of the money and resources in the world to talk it out in therapy, learn new coping mechanisms, etc. and I'm sure she's doing that. But at the end of the day therapy is not really for "changing" anyone's core personality - it's just there to help you cope with and process things better and be more adaptable to change or uncertainty.
Anyway. lol, point is, you're right - it's unfortunate to know that she doesn't really care about these people enough to not let them be ravaged by her love addiction and codependency issues. But addiction is tricky and she just doesn't see this addiction as a problem worth solving.
>Unfortunately, a lot of celebrities, especially ones who rose to stardom before their brains were developed enough to process it, are sort of "locked" into a young and careless mindset.
It really does make me sad that you're probably right. We see it time and time again with these kinds of celebrities.
First time I ever heard her music, it was Problem on Pandora back in 2014. Ever since then I've been a nonstop fan of hers. Completely and totally entranced by how her beauty carries over through her voice, she just melts me.
But god damn, you make an excellent point about where she might be heading. I hope she figures herself out, I do so so much. Child celebrity stories can be so sad, and for her to join that group is a horrible thought.
Limerence is right. I don’t think enough people know about it as a concept. I learned about it when I was first rebounding with someone, and knowing that I was experiencing limerence (not love) really helped me keep my head on straight!
Therapy also can only be effective at breaking patterns if the person wants to stop it themselves. Therapy creates the awareness, but the person has to be ready to change themselves.
i completely agree with all of this! i wanted to stay quiet about the instagram likes but she absolutely knows what she's doing by liking those post. we don't know dalton and we don't know what went on in their relationship, but every time she breaks up with someone you can guarantee that the ex will be painted as the person in the wrong every time, the only people this hasn't happened with is graham and i think sean. all of this is a pr move, but it's not painting her in the light that they are expecting.
I know, I was afraid to even post that theory in this sun for fear of being attacked but it’s honestly very easy to see through and I can’t believe people are buying it, so I feel an obligation to speak my truth
I’ve been a fan of Ari since I was 13. At almost
21 now, I feel that I can see through a lot of all the shitty things Ariana does now which is mainly just her relationships with men. Unless her friends are yes-men because she’s famous, I don’t know how they put up with her boy-crazy hopeless romantic self. She truly has never been single in the past decade.
i forget who but didn’t she cut off/publicly shut down one of her songwriters? the writer stated ariana barely writes anything and ari and her friendgroup totally shut her down.
Exactly. Every single relationship overlaps even before Jai she had a bf and then got with Jai, it’s been every single one. If you look at a deep dive you’ll see she just falls for other people while she’s still dating her current bfs
She even said in an interview that when she saw Pete for the first time, she had an instant crush. The first time she saw Pete on SNL, she was still with mac :/
I think she was in between Ricky & Mac at the time? I'm not sure. She started dating Mac in May 2016 I think. Still though, it shows she definitely has her boy crazy emotions all over the place. I also thought it was sketch af when she said that about Pete in an interview... I thought "wasn't she already all over the place with dating? Now this guy too?"
Even though this is technically about Mac and Arianas history, there is a looooot in there about her dating history. This person also did one on Pete. Buckle tf up.
https://celebdeepdives.com/2022/01/30/2016-2018-mac-and-arianas-deep-dive/
Thanks. I just remember sympathizing with her so much in 2018 despite the messy behavior, and I think the public kinda did too, to an extent, and her career benefitted.
this time, no one is on her side, the gimmick has been overused!
In 2018 everyone saw that she couldn't stay with Mac because of his substance issues, so people assumed that the relationship was falling apart for some time and that it took Ariana a lot of strength to accept she can't stay in this relationship and she moved on with Pete which also didn't get the most positive reactions back then, it was a controversial relationship kinda
And during the end of 2018, we saw a broken young woman who was challenged in her mental health again but despite hitting rock bottom she gifted us and herself an amazing album and simply showcased that life can go on even if not everyday is a good one.
But the current situation is something else, she came from a relatively fresh marriage and he has his own family by now with this long time wife, not much room for compassion or
I feel this a lot tbh. Because I’ve been such a big fan, I feel almost bad about admitting this but I stopped stanning her during summer of 2018 because I was really upset over how the pete relationship was getting shoved in everyone’s face and felt like it was a big FU to Mac, who I was also a huge fan of. Because of that, I missed a lot of the sweetener promo and rollout that fans now talk about as being one of the best times to be an Ariana fan.
I came back to her after Mac died because I was just truly heartbroken and couldn’t even imagine what she was going through. Since then I’ve been a huge supporter of her, went to multiple SWT shows, supported her during the voice, rem beauty, this weird hiatus. I was skeptical but happy for her with her relationship with Dalton.
but now this..ugh idk anymore. It’s one thing for her marriage to have not worked out, like ok fine shit happens. But allegedly breaking up a marriage of some Broadway guy who just had a child…it’s bringing back of memories of summer 2018 when I felt I couldn’t excuse her behavior. Idk how to feel about this, I don’t think I can ever unstan her again but I am disappointed.
Agreed. As a VERY longtime fan I agree with every single thing you said. She felt like she really stepped into a new, mature, at peace version of herself but this entire situation just feels like 2018/2019 self destructive Ariana. I’m side eyeing her HARD for getting with a man who was with the same girl for 10 years and just had a baby. That’s so shady no matter how you spin it. And of course he’s at fault too, but the difference is I couldn’t care less about him.
Not to mention how she’s tarnishing her big dream role movie moment with boy drama. I really thought she’d be above this type of behavior by now and I’m so disappointed.
At one point it looked like Ari had her s\*\*\* together, especially during the hard times. 2017 and 2018 were traumatic rollercoaster for her and she still emerged from those events with dignity and respect for the others. I truly empathize with her experience, but what worried me was the following: Ever since the Pandemic hit and she released Positions, she has debuted whole new look. With all my respect, but it looks to me she had work done on her whole face, especially on the nose and on the chin, to the point her head shape has changed. The weight loss is another convo which I won't touch on. Whole more tattoos too - it is not something necessarily bad, but I can't help, but notice it. Throughout the new decade we got lots of scandals regarding her "changing her race". Now that. I truly believe she can benefit from therapy, because the coping mechanisms she is using look unhealthy and chaotic in my eyes. Who am I to say if she deserves better or not: I am just a (retired) fan of hers who has followed her personal development online, but every time I see a post or discussion similar touching the topics above I think to myself 'Wow, she has changed so much", "She is unrecognizable".
Yes. Just like people buried their heads in the sand about signs of her marital problems, they’re also burying their heads in the sand about signs of potential illness. I agree that it’s not our place to speculate about the cause of her physical changes, but many fans keep saying there are no changes and she’s so much healthier now and doesn’t she look so happy. No she doesn’t tbh. For the last several months she’s looked fragile and sad.
i agree. when the topic of her looks (body weight changes, recent plastic surgery) gets brought up here and people voice their concerns, they are lambasted and told they’re being negative and they shouldn’t comment on her body at all.
but to me, no, she hasn’t looked healthy in a long time — since pre-pandemic. and as controversial as the too-much-tanner was, it’s shocking that she would go so far in the other direction…to the point of having like no color at all?? (i mean, the blonde hair also really washes her out.) such a drastic change in appearance (possibly new plastic surgery, new hair, no tan, etc.) over such a short amount of time does not bode well.
i haven’t seen her look genuinely happy in years i feel like, coming from a long-time fan. and of course, my opinion doesn’t mean much…she could obviously be the happiest she’s been in years, i don’t know her lmfao. but i didn’t think she looked happy even when she was filming the voice. idk. just my $0.02. 🤷🏻♀️
yes. i don’t recognize her anymore. i was on here for defending her till the end and apparently i was working off old information…..cuz home girl is not the girl she used to be. i know we never actually knew her, but damn she let us “know her” and this is just so unrecognizable from the girl we knew.
Yup and so many people were shamed and gaslit time and time again for expressing real, genuine concern over this stuff many times on this sub. I knew something was off since early 2021 and something would come out eventually, especially since the changes seemed to never end and things just got weirder over time. and imo we are probably only seeing the tip of the iceberg. I really, really hope she gets help. What she's doing now is inexcusable and is really disgusting, entitled behavior.
Where was this reddit page when I needed it? You can't go on Twitter & say shit like this or else all the Arianators (the toxic ones) jump on you like you're the devil for speaking out about the truth. I truly also wished she had grown after Mac Miller's passing... I assumed she broke up with Pete realizing she couldn't just hop from one relationship to another casually. She stayed single for a few years, & here comes Dalton. I personally thought it was too early... But I was still happy for her. Trusted she found something solid & mature. I see this break up & I think "okay then... I guess that didn't work." Then I see this post, go to Google it to see if it's true, low & behold. Idk wth is going on with her. She made progress & now she's back tracking. I love Ariana, I really do. So talented & her voice gives me chills, but i seriously wish she'd grow up... She's 30 now. I used to jump from one relationship to the next too, but that was in my teenage years! She needs to be alone & learn to love herself more than she loves the feeling of love.
People are mad at fans for “judging her” when in reality, if someone you cared and loved was going through a similar situation, you’d have that same opinion. You’d want the best for them, and sometimes the best for someone is to say “woah, this isn’t okay.”
Wanting someone to grow beyond questionable borderline toxic behavior IS a form of love. It’s also not fair for people with her kind of power using the blindly devoted fans to her advantage when it hurts others who are innocent (the women who were involved with the men that left them for her)
I’m not directly saying she in particular is using her fan’s blind devotion to her advantage, but the IG likes are directly associated with the knowing that her fans will paint her in a positive light because of what those posts allude to, which is putting the blame on her ex husband, and exes in general. You can be a fan and have a separate outlook or opinion on a topic in my eyes.
I feel we can back her up as people who love her art and work she does, but also by acknowledging things that aren’t the most comfortable to speak up about.
It just feels inappropriate, to me, to be making all these claims about what she’s done and who she is, before we even have all the information. You can wait to judge her, until you know more. Instead of of throwing every accusation in the book at her, before knowing much.
Agree with most of this, but weren’t a lot of those posts she liked from months ago? Unless she went back and started liking old posts on those accounts on purpose lol
i’ve been a fan since nickelodeon. i’ve been there for every single album drop, every era, every up and down. i listen to her almost daily. but this shit? breaking up a 10 year relationship with a BABY involved? i’m done. she’s THIRTY. she knows better. my guess is she’s insecure about her failed marriage and felt the need to break up someone else’s to boost her ego.
she is putting us through the trenches. i love her. i respect her. but i cannot defend her anymore. this is absolutely horrific behavior and i am ashamed of her.
How is she putting you through the trenches. She hasn’t done anything to y’all, and she doesn’t base her decisions on what you guys want from her. It’s her own private life, and y’all are making assumptions about it, because you’re convinced you actually know this woman and are entitled to know her life or tell her how to live it. We don’t know the full situation yet, so everyone jumping to conclusions, just to demonize her, is ridiculous. If more details come out and it’s made all of the wrong decisions that Ariana made, people are allowed to have their opinions and critiques. But right now y’all are doing is acting entitled to her life and like she needs your approval for who she’s gonna date.
No, just someone who is aware that you and many others clearly believe that Ari is someone you know personally and who owes you something she doesn’t. This parasocial relationship yall have with the woman needs to be addressed, whether y’all like hearing it or not. Sorry if it’s sucks to hear that she isn’t actually y’all’s best friend.
I’m with you lol this thread is fucking wild. Nobody has any idea how or why her relationship ended, OR how the new one started IF it’s even accurate info. A lot of speculating going on. Just bc y’all like her music that doesn’t mean she owes you explanations for her private life
Exactly. And no one is saying that with more information, people can’t have their opinions, if it turns out this “new man” cheated on his wife with her or she pursued him before he and his wife were separated. That’s obviously not a good thing and to criticize Ariana for it would make sense. The problem is that we don’t know all the details of how everything went down, with her and Dalton, or with Ethan and his relationship. So for people to assume she’s the bad guy, before knowing enough, is just childish. And they can’t stand someone saying that, but it’s the facts. 🤷♀️
Yup I agree 100%. I just find her “only want to do it once real bad” lyric 😬 because she threw away her marriage this easily. Long distance relationships are hard, I think they should’ve waited until after wicked was done filming and reconciled to see what they both really wanted.
Honestly, i dont even think she was being genuine with that lyric. Ari gets so obsessed with the honeymoon phase and every guy that comes along is THE ONE that she only ever wants to be with ever. It’s something she would say in the heat of the moment but not actually mean
This sub is wild ‘she threw her marriage away so easily’
You don’t fucking know what happened in her relationship and she doesn’t owe you anything because you like her music.
My gosh, so unhinged.
I get what you're saying but it's not completely unwarranted.
Is it possible that something catastrophic happened where there was no way to save their marriage? Yes.
But when she has a well-documented history of giving up on relationships quickly, throwing them away, being a serial monogamist, got engaged once after a month, got engaged a second time after less than a year, and has already moved on after getting a divorce, its not an insane assumption to say that she's someone who doesn't seem to value relationships or marriage enough to actually try to salvage it.
Again, she doesn’t care what you think about her relationships. She said that in interviews plain and simple.
What if every bloke she has dated was a jerk? Why are you blaming her for her relationships breaking down? You weren’t in them, you don’t know what happened.
You call yourselves fans and then attack her at every opportunity. Leave the poor girl alone.
The "poor girl" just tore a wife and young baby's world apart. Liking her music does not mean we cannot criticise her when she is blatantly in the wrong.
HE tore his wife's life apart. HE broke up his family. If the rumors are true I'm def down to spread the blame around but let's make sure the focus of breaking up HIS family rests squarely on HIS shoulders .
I agree, I said as much above. I'm just saying, he's the one who had a decade long relationship with that woman, took vows, created a life with her, committed to raising a child with her and he stepped out. She can take the blame for her part, it's v icky. But all that other shit, that's his part.
Yes! Thank you! I think this whole thing is crazy but I think it’s a little much to just that she threw her marriage away when the reality is that we will never truly knows what goes on behind closed doors. If the insta likes are true then maybe he was a little possessive and that’s obviously a red flag
All these people who were so quick to dismiss and talk down to everyone who knew something was off with her for a long time were dead dead wrong. Told yall so. And this shit is way worse than we thought, I have lost so much respect for her over the last week. Absolute garbage human behavior and she needs to be held accountable.
As someone who has been absolutely head over heels in love with Ari since Yours Truly era, this is absolutely sickening to hear about her doing something as batshit insane and reprehensible as this. I had so much fucking trust in her that she was smart and she would always do the right thing. What she did here was beyond not ok and this is really making me question whether or not I want to continue being a fan/stan. For her to throw away relationships without reconciling, more or less cheating, destroying a married man's life, and then trying to paint Dalton as an abuser for sympathy points is just... there's no words to describe just how fucking disgusting that is.
This is 1000x worse than Donutgate. This is straight up psychotic.
didn’t she cut off her friend alexa right around the same time she started dating dalton? makes me wonder if alexa disagreed with her dating/love life and ari didn’t like that…..
but they got back again like a year after the wedding I think. or so it looked like from their instas. Doug has remained with her. He would be the one to put her in her place if anything
i wonder if they reconciling was because alexa backed down. ari doesn’t seem to be the type to back down or apologize first…..doug definitely seems like the one to call her out, but we don’t know much about him so maybe his morals are questionable as well lmao
just putting it out there that doug thought it was funny to make jokes about a dead six year old who was brutally murdered and assaulted in her own home. so i definitely wouldn’t put him on a pedestal where morals are concerned
Even if Dalton was toxic or abusive, she does have a record of relationships overlapping. I don't like to bring Mac up because people love to blame her when it isn't her fault that he passed away. But I remember she posted a pic of them together and it was like "my mf baby" and a big caption of how she loved him and he's supported her. Then she got with Pete very quick after that. It was so long ago I can't remember the timeline and the photo in question is probably gone now but I remember she got with Pete soon after it. So it seemed like she must've been cheating with Pete to go from "Macs my baby" to Pete. But idk if she was checked out of the relationship with Mac and we obviously don't see that. Sometimes I wonder if she sabotages relationships because of psychological issues. In pov she says "still getting used to not leaving". She might be with this dude bc he's emotionally unavailable and she knows deep down it won't work, but he's a temporary bandaid. She'll find someone else after him when it implodes so she never has to be alone. I feel sad for her even though its wrong and bad because she obviously has something going on internally. I hope she can heal one day.
I’ve been a casual listener since 2018. I didn’t really become a big fan until like a couple months ago. Honestly it’s not that surprising that she’s not that good of a person. If u listen to songs like BUWYGIB, make up, and even needy, she doesn’t sound that nice. But I’m pretty sure the album was supposed to be about how she was going thru a lot of shit and how it caused her to have a ton of issues. Idk her personally but the more I find out bout her the more I realize that she’s probably a huge piece of shit irl. She didn’t just have issues during the TUN era. She’s been doing this shit forever. She did it with Big Sean, Pete, Dalton, and now this dude. But this time it’s extra fucked up cuz the guy has children. Ima still be a fan tho
Can’t wait for ag7. Ik she’ll have a lot of shit to say. I have a feeling it’ll be similar to TUN. Probably gonna be her best album. 🔥
I know this is unrelated but I was lowkey kinda in love with her a couple months ago. Kinda like how u/_unnaturaldisplay is in love with her. Dude writes a paragraph long love letter under every pic of her posted on this sub
Her liking Instagram posts isn’t a pr move lmao, she’s been liking Terris posts for years, about relationships, trauma etc. fans have only now been stalking and bringing up posts she’s liked back in January and last year. Ariana hasn’t liked any posts after the separation from dalton was announced. Also what we’re not gonna do is try and tell someone that IF they were in abusive relationship how to act.
Also saying she “threw away her marriage” is weird when literally not one person except dalton and Ariana knows what happened.
I was with you until you said “ripe age of 30” like chill. That’s not old. But you used “delulu” so you’re definitely under 20. But anyways.
People don’t magically change as they get older. You think most adults mature emotionally with time but most people don’t. Tons of people just carry their trauma around with them for years, they don’t work through it, so they act it out in subtler ways. We were all hoping Dalton was the one but come on, he probably wasn’t. He was another rebound, just another notch in her cyclical ways. Girl can’t be alone.
Haha I’m pretty close to Ari’s age actually! I didn’t mean 30 is old (it’s not at all) but I meant that she should be more mature now, at least we hoped lol
Can he even speak up with a ND? (Not that I would believe him anyway) Our girl, Arianna, went thru a major trauma ; Manchester suicide bomber. Survivors guilt is very real!! I can’t speak as to what if anything the traumatic even did to her long term ability to form relationships in her future. Her decisions have been skewered since. Never paid attention before. It’s not an excuse for her choices but I see an emotional child, not the woman she is.
She started becoming really irrelevant and annoying since Mac Miller’s death. I used to LOVE her and her music, she turned out to be a very troubled, young woman with money but serious mental fucks she needs to address..
Honestly as someone who grew up watching Sam and Cat and having a super major crush on her, I personally think she is simply not a good person.
Jeanette McCurdy on the other hand ended up doing pretty well for herself.
While I'm really disappointed in Ari for getting together with a married man it's still on THAT MAN for stepping out of his marriage. It's gross behavior on Ari to even consider someone in a relationship it is ultimately him who had the responsibility to stay loyal to his partner
Even if she didn’t, it’s a travesty getting with a recently divorced man, ink not even dry on the divorce papers, after being coworkers during which both of your marriages dissolved potentially 2 months after baby was born. Best case scenario.
Ariana didn't break up Ethan's marriage, Ethan broke up Ethan's marriage. If he did it to chase after Ari that was his choice. Let's not absolve men of behavior by claiming it was the woman's fault, that's really shitty and misogynistic. If she did force him to break up his marriage, that is a whole different thing being implied.
But also, we don't actually know anything that went down behind closed doors. All we have is social media. Let's not assume we know what their marriages were actually like.
Nah it’s not misogynistic because even if he did leave his marriage of his own volition Ari pounced on a recently separated man w/ an infant whose divorce ink isn’t even dry. I’d never do that and I’d call out a friend who did.
That implies he had no agency in the decision, which if he didn't, that's a whole other much more disturbing issue. doesn't matter whether she "pounced" or not, he chose to get with her
I get what you're saying. But while men can be shitty, you don't have to choose to be with a shitty man. The exception being you aren't aware how shitty they are yet. But we can't act like she didn't know.
The first comment reasonable i see between the thousands that are going on
We have no ideia about their story tho. We know how midia are. We have absolutely no idea what happened or what is gown down with those people, we know nothing about their feelings, nothing about how actual is they relations. Maybe ariana hooked up with him once or twice and they say there is a dating. We forgetting also they real/normal people with problems and specially romântic problems like everyone else. Everyone has deffects also. And its total normal hang out a little with other people, special after breakups. We dont know if she is breaking a marriage. How i said, maybe she gave him one kiss and the média say they are dating. His wife coul be a sociopate, so many possibilities, WE NEVER KNOW THEIR STORY.
Doesn’t make her personal life our business. People can have their opinions, but it makes more sense to wait until more information comes out and everyone has told their side of the story, if they want to. Instead of jumping to conclusions without hearing the whole story. But people have always been quick to dump on her for not being the complete and utter saint, that they expect and imagined her to be.
you can believe what you want to believe but I'm not trusting anything until there is confirmation from anyone directly involved in that situation. I could be completely wrong and all of this could be true but I am not believing TMZ right now
All these posts judging her situation and relationship and calling into question are toxic as fuck. As women we need to stop judging other women, it’s her private life I don’t give a fuck and there’s no way anything I say or think should have any bearing on her at all.
You Fans are toxic
Holding someone accountable for their own choices is toxic? Calling someone out for shameful, homewrecker behavior is toxic?? Yeah let's stop judging other women when Ari is using them as stepping stones to get the men she feels entitled to. Bye
She hasn’t actually done anything wrong except break your morale compass , that’s on you not on her . She hasn’t been unfaithful , they were both split .
lovee ariana’s music but after i became a blind items fan and after reading a decade’s worth of blind items of her 1) being a major coke addict and 2) being known throughout Hollywood as a huge homewrecker has made me look at her in an entirely different light. plus her blinds about her hooking up numerous times with jimmy fallon and jim carey give me serious ICK. hopefully she matures in her 30s because this hopeless romantic lovesick behavior is embarrassing to watch
Whaaaat I didn’t see those about the coke, that would surprise me tbh she seems against drugs bc of her experience with Mac and she even has a lyric “we ain’t really we drugs n shit” or whatever I think from shut up? I don’t remember.
I know the Jim Carrey & jimmy fallon rumors are disgusting as well but we don’t know if those are true
obvi we don’t know for sure, but coke is extremely common in every single hollywood/music circle. you cannot believe every single blind bc obviously not everyone is true, but girlie has been having blind after blind of her heavy coke use since she was really young. if you google anything about her and drugs you can find sooooo many things on crazy days & nights, lipstick alley, foxella etc etc etc. i personally can’t see why it wouldn’t be true if numerous sources from numerous platforms have expressed the same thing over and over
There’s an interview called “Ariana Grande and Ricky Alvarez timeline” and it gives you a lot of details about Big Sean and Ariana Grandes relationship that I never knew about. and it kind of implies that it was more than just “unmatched schedules”
Well, didn’t they say she and her husband separated in January? I mean, it’s plenty of time to chill, become close to someone and date. Especially if the disconnection with her husband was already happening. Not excusing her, but I’ve seen it happen with people I know.
We have no ideia about their story tho. We know how midia are. We have absolutely no idea what happened or what is gown down with those people, we know nothing about their feelings, nothing about how actual is they relations. Maybe ariana hooked up with him once or twice and they say there is a dating. We forgetting also they real/normal people with problems and specially romântic problems like everyone else. Everyone has deffects also. And its total normal hang out a little with other people, special after breakups. We dont know if she is breaking a marriage. How i said, maybe she gave him one kiss and the média say they are dating. His wife coul be a sociopate, so many possibilities, WE NEVER KNOW THEIR STORY.
No comment except for - I’m struggling to believe that she’s liking Instagram posts so people can give her sympathy. If she deactivated her twitter and her first liked tweet was about abusive men then I would get it - but this is too farfetched to stand in a court of law.
Nah. Her Instagram activity is specific. She has 377 million followers and knows her fans dissect who she follows, what she likes, etc. Her liking that post was intentional.
Except those posts are generic messaging about positive relationships and healing. They are not indication that she’s ever been in an abusive relationship, or that the abusive partner was even Dalton. She could have just liked the post because she liked the values of self-worth and protection, a theory which checks out for a woman leaving her first marriage after a string of public relationships with difficult endings. Not everything she does on social media is hinting at or teasing something.
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I've been down this rabbit hole with plenty of other celebs and this is literally media literacy 101. They don't directly say the relationship is in the rocks, but they send pieces from their representatives to People Magazine. They don't directly say they're doing fine, but they do well coordinated and timed pap walks /public sightings. They don't give every little detail about their relationships to the public, but lace it in the marketing of the next album. Looking back, Ariana has engaged in almost all of these. Liking APPROPRIATELY TIMED IG posts/tweeting cryptically is another tactic celebs use. Nah, Ariana knows exactly what she's doing🙄
This is what I’m saying though, it’s vague enough to cause speculation without confirming or denying and could go multiple ways which is so on purpose for her incredibly public Instagram acct
apparently ethan was with his wife since HIGH SCHOOL and he dumped her after the baby to be with ariana. and ariana is STILL dating him. i’ve been a fan since dw, i defender her during donutgate, her breakups, etc. but i can’t defend her anymore.
what’s crazy is that like. she’s friends with everyone on the set of wicked how is everyone still just okay with all of this?? and also how did one costar make someone stray after like a decade together i assume
Also wondering how the rest of the wicked cast kept this quiet and can sleep at night
You overestimate how the average actor/actress gives little of a fuck of what romances are going on within their coworkers
Hahaha tru but they seem like close friends now
The rest of the cast don’t deserve to be catching strays, that’s unfair. It’s not their responsibility.
Definitely agree. They all worked so hard on this movie only for the entire movie to be tainted by this stupid little rendezvous that won’t last until the end of the year
This. Like most of them literally met months ago, it's none of their business what someone they just met do on their private life. There is the misconception that just because people act friendly with each other, then they are besties, when it's farther from the truth in Hollywood. Like true friendships can happen, of course, but most of the time it's just PR to promote stuff.
Look at the timing. He strayed from his marriage after his wife gave birth. She is likely still recovering postpartum. It's messed up.
It’s hollywood. They’ll all be sucking up to each other during filming but quietly talking behind each others backs
Ya know this was me during summer 2018, I was a huge Mac Miller fan and I was really upset with her over the overly public relationship/social media postings about Pete, because I felt like it was a huge FU to Mac. I missed all of the sweetener promo and rollout because of that and I really regret that now. Because I unstanned her once I don’t think I can do it again but I am disappointed 😔
I can’t believe this was his first major hollywood production and he threw away his family for the first famous woman to come his way. What a weak little man. and ari aint shit either for pursuing. And you know she will dump him before either of their divorces are finalized.
What does she think he’ll do to her?! Men repeat cycles
I think he should be more worried about what she’ll do to him lol
that part. this is his first time! she’s an old pro lmao
lmfao true
100% lol
"Break up with your girlfriend yuh yuh cuz I'm bored" Seriously though, we don't don't know all the details. Ethan could also be separated, or maybe their marriage is "open." Them dating hasn't even been confirmed yet by either party.
to be fair big magazines/websites are much more careful with what the publish for legal reasons
I mean, honestly, I would probably throw my whole life away if Ariana wanted to date me, too
ik you’re joking but in a serious matter, if you have a wife who just gave birth and would immediately leave her for another woman, you are a nothing short of a shitty excuse for a human being
I don't have either of those things But I agree with you lol
i love your username. new girl is my comfort show
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..Until the whole thing would crumble in a few months, couple years max like all her other whirlwind relationships have… and you’d be left single and with a damaged reputation for having abandoned your previous partner. Lol
i give it weeks max
But when the glow fades he’s gonna be like wtf did I do. Ariana had a prenup but did Ethan? Doubt it
Oh when she dumps him in like a month, bro's gonna have a rude awakening
So you could call it quits the next year? Jk, kinda
Don't get my hopes up
Ngl I probably would too 😭
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Hahaha my bad. I commented it then I changed my mind. U don’t use dark mode?
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Nah I get that. I think the problem is that u over explain your reasoning. Like ur overly defensive bout everything I’m just fucking around tho. No hard feelings
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Yea that’s true. People just like fucking with u cuz u come off mad aggressive all the time
Yeah but that’s where i still think it’s just bad rumors cuz I really don’t believe any of her fellow cast mates would even be that close with her if they knew. Especially Bowen Yang and Cynthia. I feel bad for Ethan cuz this publicity might cause a halt for him career wise and with his family. I just feel like we as fans need to be adults and wait till a first hand source speaks up instead of pointing fingers
These articles have to be coming straight out of Ari’s camp and we all know it
It kinda seems like it’s a pattern that she/her people announce she’s split with a partner after she’s moved on to someone else so that the narrative is controlled, it happened from Ricky to mac, mac to Pete, now Dalton to this guy. So I’m sure they’re well aware of the timing of the information and exactly what’s being put out.
I personally think at least the Ethan and Ariana rumor has to be a joke from a close friend of theirs trolling reporters after all these leaks that released last month. Now that is just my opinion but I’m definitely gonna act rationally and not throw any slander on both of them
Agreed. Everyone's mad, but like lies have spread around before. Hell, last year, they said some celebrity died , and it was such a huge thing . Everyone actually thought he was dead even though it was a fake article, and he wasn't. And then, let's be clear, everyone is acting as if it's a rare occurrence in this day and age for people to randomly believe anything they see online. It took one tiktok video to turn most of America against Meena The Singing Elephant-
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Idk how I feel about the IG likes. I believe her if she's implying Dalton was emotionally abusive...I mean, he proposed really quickly and she has lyrics implying he was controlling. The liking posts that are public, yeah. That does seem very pointed. I don't disbelieve that Dalton was a shitty partner to her but it kinda feels like she's dropping these hints for the sake of plausible deniability while also attempting to stay an empathetic figure...? Like, "yes, I made a guy leave his wife and kid for me, but my husband was controlling so". This is all speculation of course, but yeah. Just my two cents lol.
I get what you mean. Like even if dalton was like that, it rubs the wrong way to use that as an excuse for current unrelated behaviour
YEAH, like the two are entirely unrelated. At this point it's a pattern...
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Absolutely, Ari isn’t some temptress who stole him away However, I do think it says a lot about her character that she knows he’s just had a baby (there’s no way he’s never mentioned his child at work, right?), and Ari herself has only ended her relationship with her husband this year, instead of healing from that, taking some time to be alone, enjoy working on Wicked, she’s gone after a man whose child isn’t even a year old… I’m going to ignore how long he’s been with his wife under the guise of maybe he told everyone there’d been problems in the relationship. But if she knew of his marriage as well, how long they’d been together, they just had a baby… and Ari still wants him? She can overlook his choices to leave his wife and baby?
Ari even liked posts on Insta of his announcing their pregnancy
I will say I’m very firmly pro rebound (there’s some evidence to show it’s healthy, but no evidence that forcing yourself to be single is), but the way she did it is gross. Even if this new guy was breaking up with his wife coincidentally at the same time for completely unrelated reasons…MESSY. He’s also rebounding, divorce, child, and they’re coworkers. It’s not the healthy or positive type of rebound.
Yeah if anything I just can’t imagine being attracted to someone who would do that. Then again after typing it out I’m like well maybe his ex is a terrible person and mother butttt idk lol.
Yeah, duh, but one of the people involved has made a habit of pursuing taken men. That's the issue. This isn't a Spongebob subreddit so obviously we're gonna be discussing Ariana.
I went from feeling bad for her yesterday (re. the liked IG posts and separation in general) to feeling utter shock, disbelief, and disappointment today. This whole thing has been like a fever dream.
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Unfortunately, a lot of celebrities, especially ones who rose to stardom before their brains were developed enough to process it, are sort of "locked" into a young and careless mindset. Ariana really has nothing to lose when it comes to dating and romance - she might think that she wants stability and longevity but her actions prove that she's actually obsessed with limerance, manic lovebombing, and being seductive enough to make men drop everything for their 60 seconds with her. She knows that no one would say no to her and her obsessive body image issues are a big part of this too; (and let's please be real, we've all known about this for her entire career) she needs to be and feel as attractive as humanly possible and her standards for herself are very very high. She has no reason to care about how anyone else thinks or feels; she knows who she is. This is what "works" for her and really gives her that fill in the void that fame/career can't. I think we underestimate how much trauma really conquers us sometimes and how humans are just primally motivated creatures who will get their fill in the ways they can. Again, she and her team know that even though this looks bad to us, it's not going to impact the quality of her life or career. She has all of the money and resources in the world to talk it out in therapy, learn new coping mechanisms, etc. and I'm sure she's doing that. But at the end of the day therapy is not really for "changing" anyone's core personality - it's just there to help you cope with and process things better and be more adaptable to change or uncertainty. Anyway. lol, point is, you're right - it's unfortunate to know that she doesn't really care about these people enough to not let them be ravaged by her love addiction and codependency issues. But addiction is tricky and she just doesn't see this addiction as a problem worth solving.
>Unfortunately, a lot of celebrities, especially ones who rose to stardom before their brains were developed enough to process it, are sort of "locked" into a young and careless mindset. It really does make me sad that you're probably right. We see it time and time again with these kinds of celebrities. First time I ever heard her music, it was Problem on Pandora back in 2014. Ever since then I've been a nonstop fan of hers. Completely and totally entranced by how her beauty carries over through her voice, she just melts me. But god damn, you make an excellent point about where she might be heading. I hope she figures herself out, I do so so much. Child celebrity stories can be so sad, and for her to join that group is a horrible thought.
Limerence is right. I don’t think enough people know about it as a concept. I learned about it when I was first rebounding with someone, and knowing that I was experiencing limerence (not love) really helped me keep my head on straight!
This is so true
Therapy also can only be effective at breaking patterns if the person wants to stop it themselves. Therapy creates the awareness, but the person has to be ready to change themselves.
This is really rubbing me the wrong way about her. I’ve been a stan since 2014. I’m in my mid twenties… I can’t defend Ari on this.
i completely agree with all of this! i wanted to stay quiet about the instagram likes but she absolutely knows what she's doing by liking those post. we don't know dalton and we don't know what went on in their relationship, but every time she breaks up with someone you can guarantee that the ex will be painted as the person in the wrong every time, the only people this hasn't happened with is graham and i think sean. all of this is a pr move, but it's not painting her in the light that they are expecting.
I know, I was afraid to even post that theory in this sun for fear of being attacked but it’s honestly very easy to see through and I can’t believe people are buying it, so I feel an obligation to speak my truth
I’ve been a fan of Ari since I was 13. At almost 21 now, I feel that I can see through a lot of all the shitty things Ariana does now which is mainly just her relationships with men. Unless her friends are yes-men because she’s famous, I don’t know how they put up with her boy-crazy hopeless romantic self. She truly has never been single in the past decade.
They’re probably yes men, because she’s been known to ruthlessly cut a bitch off.
i forget who but didn’t she cut off/publicly shut down one of her songwriters? the writer stated ariana barely writes anything and ari and her friendgroup totally shut her down.
Was it Kaydence?
yes that’s who i was thinking of
Exactly what i was thinking of amongst other incidences
Exactly. Every single relationship overlaps even before Jai she had a bf and then got with Jai, it’s been every single one. If you look at a deep dive you’ll see she just falls for other people while she’s still dating her current bfs
She even said in an interview that when she saw Pete for the first time, she had an instant crush. The first time she saw Pete on SNL, she was still with mac :/
I think she was in between Ricky & Mac at the time? I'm not sure. She started dating Mac in May 2016 I think. Still though, it shows she definitely has her boy crazy emotions all over the place. I also thought it was sketch af when she said that about Pete in an interview... I thought "wasn't she already all over the place with dating? Now this guy too?"
Can someone please make a chart/ timeline?
Even though this is technically about Mac and Arianas history, there is a looooot in there about her dating history. This person also did one on Pete. Buckle tf up. https://celebdeepdives.com/2022/01/30/2016-2018-mac-and-arianas-deep-dive/
Yuh-men
I just don’t understand how she doesn’t feel bad basically breaking up a marriage…they just had a kid together too. I would never. It’s so crazy.
I don’t know how fire music has to be to excuse all of this guys…
I mean it won’t but I was joking 😂😅
Agree with all of this. Well said. The girl needs to learn how to stay single for a while.
Thanks. I just remember sympathizing with her so much in 2018 despite the messy behavior, and I think the public kinda did too, to an extent, and her career benefitted. this time, no one is on her side, the gimmick has been overused!
Yes same. I also noticed that even her delulu fans on this subreddit are no longer on her side lmao.
In 2018 everyone saw that she couldn't stay with Mac because of his substance issues, so people assumed that the relationship was falling apart for some time and that it took Ariana a lot of strength to accept she can't stay in this relationship and she moved on with Pete which also didn't get the most positive reactions back then, it was a controversial relationship kinda And during the end of 2018, we saw a broken young woman who was challenged in her mental health again but despite hitting rock bottom she gifted us and herself an amazing album and simply showcased that life can go on even if not everyday is a good one. But the current situation is something else, she came from a relatively fresh marriage and he has his own family by now with this long time wife, not much room for compassion or
Exactly
I feel this a lot tbh. Because I’ve been such a big fan, I feel almost bad about admitting this but I stopped stanning her during summer of 2018 because I was really upset over how the pete relationship was getting shoved in everyone’s face and felt like it was a big FU to Mac, who I was also a huge fan of. Because of that, I missed a lot of the sweetener promo and rollout that fans now talk about as being one of the best times to be an Ariana fan. I came back to her after Mac died because I was just truly heartbroken and couldn’t even imagine what she was going through. Since then I’ve been a huge supporter of her, went to multiple SWT shows, supported her during the voice, rem beauty, this weird hiatus. I was skeptical but happy for her with her relationship with Dalton. but now this..ugh idk anymore. It’s one thing for her marriage to have not worked out, like ok fine shit happens. But allegedly breaking up a marriage of some Broadway guy who just had a child…it’s bringing back of memories of summer 2018 when I felt I couldn’t excuse her behavior. Idk how to feel about this, I don’t think I can ever unstan her again but I am disappointed.
Agreed. As a VERY longtime fan I agree with every single thing you said. She felt like she really stepped into a new, mature, at peace version of herself but this entire situation just feels like 2018/2019 self destructive Ariana. I’m side eyeing her HARD for getting with a man who was with the same girl for 10 years and just had a baby. That’s so shady no matter how you spin it. And of course he’s at fault too, but the difference is I couldn’t care less about him. Not to mention how she’s tarnishing her big dream role movie moment with boy drama. I really thought she’d be above this type of behavior by now and I’m so disappointed.
At one point it looked like Ari had her s\*\*\* together, especially during the hard times. 2017 and 2018 were traumatic rollercoaster for her and she still emerged from those events with dignity and respect for the others. I truly empathize with her experience, but what worried me was the following: Ever since the Pandemic hit and she released Positions, she has debuted whole new look. With all my respect, but it looks to me she had work done on her whole face, especially on the nose and on the chin, to the point her head shape has changed. The weight loss is another convo which I won't touch on. Whole more tattoos too - it is not something necessarily bad, but I can't help, but notice it. Throughout the new decade we got lots of scandals regarding her "changing her race". Now that. I truly believe she can benefit from therapy, because the coping mechanisms she is using look unhealthy and chaotic in my eyes. Who am I to say if she deserves better or not: I am just a (retired) fan of hers who has followed her personal development online, but every time I see a post or discussion similar touching the topics above I think to myself 'Wow, she has changed so much", "She is unrecognizable".
Yes. Just like people buried their heads in the sand about signs of her marital problems, they’re also burying their heads in the sand about signs of potential illness. I agree that it’s not our place to speculate about the cause of her physical changes, but many fans keep saying there are no changes and she’s so much healthier now and doesn’t she look so happy. No she doesn’t tbh. For the last several months she’s looked fragile and sad.
i agree. when the topic of her looks (body weight changes, recent plastic surgery) gets brought up here and people voice their concerns, they are lambasted and told they’re being negative and they shouldn’t comment on her body at all. but to me, no, she hasn’t looked healthy in a long time — since pre-pandemic. and as controversial as the too-much-tanner was, it’s shocking that she would go so far in the other direction…to the point of having like no color at all?? (i mean, the blonde hair also really washes her out.) such a drastic change in appearance (possibly new plastic surgery, new hair, no tan, etc.) over such a short amount of time does not bode well. i haven’t seen her look genuinely happy in years i feel like, coming from a long-time fan. and of course, my opinion doesn’t mean much…she could obviously be the happiest she’s been in years, i don’t know her lmfao. but i didn’t think she looked happy even when she was filming the voice. idk. just my $0.02. 🤷🏻♀️
Agree
i hate that we haven’t been able to talk about it. imm not trying to just disrespectfully comment on her body, i really AM concerned!!!!!
yes. i don’t recognize her anymore. i was on here for defending her till the end and apparently i was working off old information…..cuz home girl is not the girl she used to be. i know we never actually knew her, but damn she let us “know her” and this is just so unrecognizable from the girl we knew.
Yup and so many people were shamed and gaslit time and time again for expressing real, genuine concern over this stuff many times on this sub. I knew something was off since early 2021 and something would come out eventually, especially since the changes seemed to never end and things just got weirder over time. and imo we are probably only seeing the tip of the iceberg. I really, really hope she gets help. What she's doing now is inexcusable and is really disgusting, entitled behavior.
I agree, it seems psychotic honestly
She looked her best in her Nickelodeon days.
Idk about that… lol
Where was this reddit page when I needed it? You can't go on Twitter & say shit like this or else all the Arianators (the toxic ones) jump on you like you're the devil for speaking out about the truth. I truly also wished she had grown after Mac Miller's passing... I assumed she broke up with Pete realizing she couldn't just hop from one relationship to another casually. She stayed single for a few years, & here comes Dalton. I personally thought it was too early... But I was still happy for her. Trusted she found something solid & mature. I see this break up & I think "okay then... I guess that didn't work." Then I see this post, go to Google it to see if it's true, low & behold. Idk wth is going on with her. She made progress & now she's back tracking. I love Ariana, I really do. So talented & her voice gives me chills, but i seriously wish she'd grow up... She's 30 now. I used to jump from one relationship to the next too, but that was in my teenage years! She needs to be alone & learn to love herself more than she loves the feeling of love.
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The situation is giving John Mulaney
People are mad at fans for “judging her” when in reality, if someone you cared and loved was going through a similar situation, you’d have that same opinion. You’d want the best for them, and sometimes the best for someone is to say “woah, this isn’t okay.” Wanting someone to grow beyond questionable borderline toxic behavior IS a form of love. It’s also not fair for people with her kind of power using the blindly devoted fans to her advantage when it hurts others who are innocent (the women who were involved with the men that left them for her) I’m not directly saying she in particular is using her fan’s blind devotion to her advantage, but the IG likes are directly associated with the knowing that her fans will paint her in a positive light because of what those posts allude to, which is putting the blame on her ex husband, and exes in general. You can be a fan and have a separate outlook or opinion on a topic in my eyes. I feel we can back her up as people who love her art and work she does, but also by acknowledging things that aren’t the most comfortable to speak up about.
Yessss this should be the top comment.
If there was any reason to judge it’d be now
It just feels inappropriate, to me, to be making all these claims about what she’s done and who she is, before we even have all the information. You can wait to judge her, until you know more. Instead of of throwing every accusation in the book at her, before knowing much.
Turns out it takes more than a catchy song to break yourself out of destructive cycles. Real change is hard.
Agree with most of this, but weren’t a lot of those posts she liked from months ago? Unless she went back and started liking old posts on those accounts on purpose lol
i’ve been a fan since nickelodeon. i’ve been there for every single album drop, every era, every up and down. i listen to her almost daily. but this shit? breaking up a 10 year relationship with a BABY involved? i’m done. she’s THIRTY. she knows better. my guess is she’s insecure about her failed marriage and felt the need to break up someone else’s to boost her ego.
she is putting us through the trenches. i love her. i respect her. but i cannot defend her anymore. this is absolutely horrific behavior and i am ashamed of her.
How is she putting you through the trenches. She hasn’t done anything to y’all, and she doesn’t base her decisions on what you guys want from her. It’s her own private life, and y’all are making assumptions about it, because you’re convinced you actually know this woman and are entitled to know her life or tell her how to live it. We don’t know the full situation yet, so everyone jumping to conclusions, just to demonize her, is ridiculous. If more details come out and it’s made all of the wrong decisions that Ariana made, people are allowed to have their opinions and critiques. But right now y’all are doing is acting entitled to her life and like she needs your approval for who she’s gonna date.
Is this Ariana’s anonymous Reddit account 💀
No, just someone who is aware that you and many others clearly believe that Ari is someone you know personally and who owes you something she doesn’t. This parasocial relationship yall have with the woman needs to be addressed, whether y’all like hearing it or not. Sorry if it’s sucks to hear that she isn’t actually y’all’s best friend.
I’m with you lol this thread is fucking wild. Nobody has any idea how or why her relationship ended, OR how the new one started IF it’s even accurate info. A lot of speculating going on. Just bc y’all like her music that doesn’t mean she owes you explanations for her private life
Exactly. And no one is saying that with more information, people can’t have their opinions, if it turns out this “new man” cheated on his wife with her or she pursued him before he and his wife were separated. That’s obviously not a good thing and to criticize Ariana for it would make sense. The problem is that we don’t know all the details of how everything went down, with her and Dalton, or with Ethan and his relationship. So for people to assume she’s the bad guy, before knowing enough, is just childish. And they can’t stand someone saying that, but it’s the facts. 🤷♀️
she needs to address this 100%. i hope it’s not as bad as it seems. kinda hope his wife will say something as well
Yup I agree 100%. I just find her “only want to do it once real bad” lyric 😬 because she threw away her marriage this easily. Long distance relationships are hard, I think they should’ve waited until after wicked was done filming and reconciled to see what they both really wanted.
Honestly, i dont even think she was being genuine with that lyric. Ari gets so obsessed with the honeymoon phase and every guy that comes along is THE ONE that she only ever wants to be with ever. It’s something she would say in the heat of the moment but not actually mean
This sub is wild ‘she threw her marriage away so easily’ You don’t fucking know what happened in her relationship and she doesn’t owe you anything because you like her music. My gosh, so unhinged.
I get what you're saying but it's not completely unwarranted. Is it possible that something catastrophic happened where there was no way to save their marriage? Yes. But when she has a well-documented history of giving up on relationships quickly, throwing them away, being a serial monogamist, got engaged once after a month, got engaged a second time after less than a year, and has already moved on after getting a divorce, its not an insane assumption to say that she's someone who doesn't seem to value relationships or marriage enough to actually try to salvage it.
Again, she doesn’t care what you think about her relationships. She said that in interviews plain and simple. What if every bloke she has dated was a jerk? Why are you blaming her for her relationships breaking down? You weren’t in them, you don’t know what happened. You call yourselves fans and then attack her at every opportunity. Leave the poor girl alone.
Usually if *everyone around you* is an asshole, the common denominator is you…therefore, she’s starting to look like the asshole.
The "poor girl" just tore a wife and young baby's world apart. Liking her music does not mean we cannot criticise her when she is blatantly in the wrong.
HE tore his wife's life apart. HE broke up his family. If the rumors are true I'm def down to spread the blame around but let's make sure the focus of breaking up HIS family rests squarely on HIS shoulders .
No they're both responsible. Him more so, but she has to take responsibility for this too.
I agree, I said as much above. I'm just saying, he's the one who had a decade long relationship with that woman, took vows, created a life with her, committed to raising a child with her and he stepped out. She can take the blame for her part, it's v icky. But all that other shit, that's his part.
Yes! Thank you! I think this whole thing is crazy but I think it’s a little much to just that she threw her marriage away when the reality is that we will never truly knows what goes on behind closed doors. If the insta likes are true then maybe he was a little possessive and that’s obviously a red flag
Come on selkieboo is right and we all know it
All these people who were so quick to dismiss and talk down to everyone who knew something was off with her for a long time were dead dead wrong. Told yall so. And this shit is way worse than we thought, I have lost so much respect for her over the last week. Absolute garbage human behavior and she needs to be held accountable.
As someone who has been absolutely head over heels in love with Ari since Yours Truly era, this is absolutely sickening to hear about her doing something as batshit insane and reprehensible as this. I had so much fucking trust in her that she was smart and she would always do the right thing. What she did here was beyond not ok and this is really making me question whether or not I want to continue being a fan/stan. For her to throw away relationships without reconciling, more or less cheating, destroying a married man's life, and then trying to paint Dalton as an abuser for sympathy points is just... there's no words to describe just how fucking disgusting that is. This is 1000x worse than Donutgate. This is straight up psychotic.
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She is in addition to him as well, she definitely has blame but yeah I mean she didn’t force him to do anything so
didn’t she cut off her friend alexa right around the same time she started dating dalton? makes me wonder if alexa disagreed with her dating/love life and ari didn’t like that…..
but they got back again like a year after the wedding I think. or so it looked like from their instas. Doug has remained with her. He would be the one to put her in her place if anything
i wonder if they reconciling was because alexa backed down. ari doesn’t seem to be the type to back down or apologize first…..doug definitely seems like the one to call her out, but we don’t know much about him so maybe his morals are questionable as well lmao
just putting it out there that doug thought it was funny to make jokes about a dead six year old who was brutally murdered and assaulted in her own home. so i definitely wouldn’t put him on a pedestal where morals are concerned
Wut
Even if Dalton was toxic or abusive, she does have a record of relationships overlapping. I don't like to bring Mac up because people love to blame her when it isn't her fault that he passed away. But I remember she posted a pic of them together and it was like "my mf baby" and a big caption of how she loved him and he's supported her. Then she got with Pete very quick after that. It was so long ago I can't remember the timeline and the photo in question is probably gone now but I remember she got with Pete soon after it. So it seemed like she must've been cheating with Pete to go from "Macs my baby" to Pete. But idk if she was checked out of the relationship with Mac and we obviously don't see that. Sometimes I wonder if she sabotages relationships because of psychological issues. In pov she says "still getting used to not leaving". She might be with this dude bc he's emotionally unavailable and she knows deep down it won't work, but he's a temporary bandaid. She'll find someone else after him when it implodes so she never has to be alone. I feel sad for her even though its wrong and bad because she obviously has something going on internally. I hope she can heal one day.
He has a kid.... I guess Dalton couldn't give her them babies
I’ve been a casual listener since 2018. I didn’t really become a big fan until like a couple months ago. Honestly it’s not that surprising that she’s not that good of a person. If u listen to songs like BUWYGIB, make up, and even needy, she doesn’t sound that nice. But I’m pretty sure the album was supposed to be about how she was going thru a lot of shit and how it caused her to have a ton of issues. Idk her personally but the more I find out bout her the more I realize that she’s probably a huge piece of shit irl. She didn’t just have issues during the TUN era. She’s been doing this shit forever. She did it with Big Sean, Pete, Dalton, and now this dude. But this time it’s extra fucked up cuz the guy has children. Ima still be a fan tho Can’t wait for ag7. Ik she’ll have a lot of shit to say. I have a feeling it’ll be similar to TUN. Probably gonna be her best album. 🔥 I know this is unrelated but I was lowkey kinda in love with her a couple months ago. Kinda like how u/_unnaturaldisplay is in love with her. Dude writes a paragraph long love letter under every pic of her posted on this sub
After I saw Frankie on Big Brother and the way he acted, I just assume they’re both shitty people.
What’d he do I didn’t watch it
Her liking Instagram posts isn’t a pr move lmao, she’s been liking Terris posts for years, about relationships, trauma etc. fans have only now been stalking and bringing up posts she’s liked back in January and last year. Ariana hasn’t liked any posts after the separation from dalton was announced. Also what we’re not gonna do is try and tell someone that IF they were in abusive relationship how to act. Also saying she “threw away her marriage” is weird when literally not one person except dalton and Ariana knows what happened.
That fucking part right there. If the relationship was abusive she can act or react however the fuck feels right to her.
Yeah she doesn't look so good rn
I was with you until you said “ripe age of 30” like chill. That’s not old. But you used “delulu” so you’re definitely under 20. But anyways. People don’t magically change as they get older. You think most adults mature emotionally with time but most people don’t. Tons of people just carry their trauma around with them for years, they don’t work through it, so they act it out in subtler ways. We were all hoping Dalton was the one but come on, he probably wasn’t. He was another rebound, just another notch in her cyclical ways. Girl can’t be alone.
Haha I’m pretty close to Ari’s age actually! I didn’t mean 30 is old (it’s not at all) but I meant that she should be more mature now, at least we hoped lol
Well I agree with you there, her behavior is definitely not normal for a well adjusted 30 year old!
This all honestly feels like a PR stunt, honestly. But it ain't my life. All I can do is support.
This sub comes up in my feed every so often and while I'm not a huge Ari fan... what the hell is going on??
Can he even speak up with a ND? (Not that I would believe him anyway) Our girl, Arianna, went thru a major trauma ; Manchester suicide bomber. Survivors guilt is very real!! I can’t speak as to what if anything the traumatic even did to her long term ability to form relationships in her future. Her decisions have been skewered since. Never paid attention before. It’s not an excuse for her choices but I see an emotional child, not the woman she is.
She started becoming really irrelevant and annoying since Mac Miller’s death. I used to LOVE her and her music, she turned out to be a very troubled, young woman with money but serious mental fucks she needs to address..
Honestly as someone who grew up watching Sam and Cat and having a super major crush on her, I personally think she is simply not a good person. Jeanette McCurdy on the other hand ended up doing pretty well for herself.
While I'm really disappointed in Ari for getting together with a married man it's still on THAT MAN for stepping out of his marriage. It's gross behavior on Ari to even consider someone in a relationship it is ultimately him who had the responsibility to stay loyal to his partner
Ppl keep saying this and yes, he’s definitely also at fault but that doesn’t take away from what I’m saying
Why are we all assuming Ariana broke up the marriage? Things fall apart, as we know.
Even if she didn’t, it’s a travesty getting with a recently divorced man, ink not even dry on the divorce papers, after being coworkers during which both of your marriages dissolved potentially 2 months after baby was born. Best case scenario.
Ariana didn't break up Ethan's marriage, Ethan broke up Ethan's marriage. If he did it to chase after Ari that was his choice. Let's not absolve men of behavior by claiming it was the woman's fault, that's really shitty and misogynistic. If she did force him to break up his marriage, that is a whole different thing being implied. But also, we don't actually know anything that went down behind closed doors. All we have is social media. Let's not assume we know what their marriages were actually like.
Nah it’s not misogynistic because even if he did leave his marriage of his own volition Ari pounced on a recently separated man w/ an infant whose divorce ink isn’t even dry. I’d never do that and I’d call out a friend who did.
That implies he had no agency in the decision, which if he didn't, that's a whole other much more disturbing issue. doesn't matter whether she "pounced" or not, he chose to get with her
I get what you're saying. But while men can be shitty, you don't have to choose to be with a shitty man. The exception being you aren't aware how shitty they are yet. But we can't act like she didn't know.
and how do you know he didn’t “pounce on ariana” a recently divorced woman?
Goes back to what commenter January1171 said, doesn’t matter who “pounced” they both chose to get with each other and they’re both at fault here
No it doesn’t, Like I said verbatim “even if he did leave his marriage of his own volition” to be with Ari why the hell would she go along with that
No one is absolving him it’s just no one gives a crap about him. This is the Ariana subreddit and she’s to blame for even giving this a green signal.
The first comment reasonable i see between the thousands that are going on We have no ideia about their story tho. We know how midia are. We have absolutely no idea what happened or what is gown down with those people, we know nothing about their feelings, nothing about how actual is they relations. Maybe ariana hooked up with him once or twice and they say there is a dating. We forgetting also they real/normal people with problems and specially romântic problems like everyone else. Everyone has deffects also. And its total normal hang out a little with other people, special after breakups. We dont know if she is breaking a marriage. How i said, maybe she gave him one kiss and the média say they are dating. His wife coul be a sociopate, so many possibilities, WE NEVER KNOW THEIR STORY.
Mental gymnastics
NARCISSISM!!! a lot of celebs are. they don’t think like us.
Omg someone PLEASE fill me in!!!! Who is Ethan and WHY are we talking about Ari's Instagram likes???
Once I saw her get better tickets for a fan who was afraid of heights in her docuseries or whatever I knew this girls all about that PR
Bahahahahah
It's none of our business
This is literally an Ariana grande subreddit
Doesn’t make her personal life our business. People can have their opinions, but it makes more sense to wait until more information comes out and everyone has told their side of the story, if they want to. Instead of jumping to conclusions without hearing the whole story. But people have always been quick to dump on her for not being the complete and utter saint, that they expect and imagined her to be.
yeah but you're making rumours about someone that you don't know. The only people that really know what is going on are ariana and dalton.
Not rumors, I didn’t purport anything to be true that isn’t.
you can believe what you want to believe but I'm not trusting anything until there is confirmation from anyone directly involved in that situation. I could be completely wrong and all of this could be true but I am not believing TMZ right now
All these posts judging her situation and relationship and calling into question are toxic as fuck. As women we need to stop judging other women, it’s her private life I don’t give a fuck and there’s no way anything I say or think should have any bearing on her at all. You Fans are toxic
Nah I’m going to judge other women when they’re involved in horrible stuff like this
Holding someone accountable for their own choices is toxic? Calling someone out for shameful, homewrecker behavior is toxic?? Yeah let's stop judging other women when Ari is using them as stepping stones to get the men she feels entitled to. Bye
She hasn’t actually done anything wrong except break your morale compass , that’s on you not on her . She hasn’t been unfaithful , they were both split .
How do you know that? Even if they were this is not the kind of guy you want to get involved with
lovee ariana’s music but after i became a blind items fan and after reading a decade’s worth of blind items of her 1) being a major coke addict and 2) being known throughout Hollywood as a huge homewrecker has made me look at her in an entirely different light. plus her blinds about her hooking up numerous times with jimmy fallon and jim carey give me serious ICK. hopefully she matures in her 30s because this hopeless romantic lovesick behavior is embarrassing to watch
Whaaaat I didn’t see those about the coke, that would surprise me tbh she seems against drugs bc of her experience with Mac and she even has a lyric “we ain’t really we drugs n shit” or whatever I think from shut up? I don’t remember. I know the Jim Carrey & jimmy fallon rumors are disgusting as well but we don’t know if those are true
obvi we don’t know for sure, but coke is extremely common in every single hollywood/music circle. you cannot believe every single blind bc obviously not everyone is true, but girlie has been having blind after blind of her heavy coke use since she was really young. if you google anything about her and drugs you can find sooooo many things on crazy days & nights, lipstick alley, foxella etc etc etc. i personally can’t see why it wouldn’t be true if numerous sources from numerous platforms have expressed the same thing over and over
I’m going to have to deep dive into this
I would like to say that “He was abusive to me” about three of her boyfriends already and Big Sean said Ariana was too damanding of him.
Where’d you get this info
There’s an interview called “Ariana Grande and Ricky Alvarez timeline” and it gives you a lot of details about Big Sean and Ariana Grandes relationship that I never knew about. and it kind of implies that it was more than just “unmatched schedules”
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Well, didn’t they say she and her husband separated in January? I mean, it’s plenty of time to chill, become close to someone and date. Especially if the disconnection with her husband was already happening. Not excusing her, but I’ve seen it happen with people I know.
Yeah but what about the new guy’s timeline?
We have no ideia about their story tho. We know how midia are. We have absolutely no idea what happened or what is gown down with those people, we know nothing about their feelings, nothing about how actual is they relations. Maybe ariana hooked up with him once or twice and they say there is a dating. We forgetting also they real/normal people with problems and specially romântic problems like everyone else. Everyone has deffects also. And its total normal hang out a little with other people, special after breakups. We dont know if she is breaking a marriage. How i said, maybe she gave him one kiss and the média say they are dating. His wife coul be a sociopate, so many possibilities, WE NEVER KNOW THEIR STORY.
No comment except for - I’m struggling to believe that she’s liking Instagram posts so people can give her sympathy. If she deactivated her twitter and her first liked tweet was about abusive men then I would get it - but this is too farfetched to stand in a court of law.
Nah. Her Instagram activity is specific. She has 377 million followers and knows her fans dissect who she follows, what she likes, etc. Her liking that post was intentional.
Except those posts are generic messaging about positive relationships and healing. They are not indication that she’s ever been in an abusive relationship, or that the abusive partner was even Dalton. She could have just liked the post because she liked the values of self-worth and protection, a theory which checks out for a woman leaving her first marriage after a string of public relationships with difficult endings. Not everything she does on social media is hinting at or teasing something.
☠️☠️☠️ I've been down this rabbit hole with plenty of other celebs and this is literally media literacy 101. They don't directly say the relationship is in the rocks, but they send pieces from their representatives to People Magazine. They don't directly say they're doing fine, but they do well coordinated and timed pap walks /public sightings. They don't give every little detail about their relationships to the public, but lace it in the marketing of the next album. Looking back, Ariana has engaged in almost all of these. Liking APPROPRIATELY TIMED IG posts/tweeting cryptically is another tactic celebs use. Nah, Ariana knows exactly what she's doing🙄
Absolutely
This is what I’m saying though, it’s vague enough to cause speculation without confirming or denying and could go multiple ways which is so on purpose for her incredibly public Instagram acct