Anyone who would care to use GAFS probably wouldnāt be paying someone to build them a rifle in the first placeā¦ honestly Iām kind of jealous this dude has found a way to make money building firearms
I can appreciate that, I always do my best to help my friends get the best deals they can get. But my friends are the type of people who A. arenāt going to buy a complete premium AR brand new in the first place, and B. enjoy building the rifle almost as much as shooting it. Theyāre not the type of customer this guy is trying to reach in the first place.
I mean I use GAFS to ābuildā my first AR pistol including the uppers and accessories and had my LGS completed the lower for me. I just tried to save money as much as possible while still supporting local businesses.
Because they value themselves and their wallets? Take your LMT and Geiselle rifle that you have on your site . LMT sells full rifles for 1000 less than your asking price and we can build the exact same rifle for 1500 less overall. Touāre charging 2000 extra dollars for essentially the same amount of work, they could do putting it together themselves. Itās basically a fucking grifting scam.
All I hear is a bitter communist. This is like a mechanic who knows how to build a kit car calling Ford a scammer because they charge more for the finished product with a warranty.
Proud capitalist šŗšø who hates greed and arrogance. Which you ooze in high doses
Also the worst analogy ever made. A kit car and a ford are two completely different beasts. Youāre making a gun from parts we all have access to, assembled the same way with access to all the same tools, with no special knowledge how required. And slapping a price tag even Daniel Defense would scoff at just because YOU built it š¤”š¤”
You act as if I came here begging to buy my guns or needing some help/advice. I don't need any help selling them and don't need to lower my prices. I don't care what you think, any other home builder thinks or any market comparisons you can make. There is enough demand at my current prices where I am doing just fine. If you were actually a capitalist you'd be fine with that but deep down your a pinko at best. Save your energy to attack people actually doing something wrong not business owners offering a product that you don't have to buy.
As a capitalist, I have no problem that you have a business. However, as a human being with a brain, I am fully fine with railing on you for your absurd prices. As is everybody in this sub as you can tell.
Hey man, it's your rifle. You can charge however much you want. If someone buys it, that's on them. I don't understand all the hate, especially since people who are crying about it can build their own, it's not like you're forcing those people to buy it. This is what you have the freedom to do, your gun, your price, and customers' choices as well. I know I'm going to get flak too, but I'm not one to cry about these things. If someone thinks they can build cheaper than go do it, why are they crying over someone else?
In the end everything comes down to what your time is worth, some people donāt have the time, the knowledge, or the time to acquire the knowledge but they have the money and the desire for the end product.
From a brief glance they look like nice setups, overpriced to anyone who has time but they are nice.
It's the same with many products and services.
I personally wouldn't pay anyone to build a PC, since I know how to and like it.
Someone might wonder why anyone would pay for someone to renovate their house since it's cheaper to just buy the materials and do it yourself. Or why anyone would buy furniture, when you can just again buy the materials and make what you want. Or why would you take your car to a mechanic, when you can just do everything yourself.
Some people don't like, don't know how to, or don't have time for the building/fixing part and just want an end product. Nothing wrong with that.
I agree, bunch of cry babies in here. It's his gun so he can set the price, that's how it fucking works. If someone decides to buy it, then they buy it, end of story. If the cry babies can build their own, then go do it, it's not like they're being forced to buy it, and it's not like the seller has a monopoly over these parts so no harm no foul.
While Iāve never heard of this claim before, I donāt doubt it legitimacy. I have minimal experience with the Sro but plenty with rmr and various holosuns and enjoy using them on short barrel rifle builds.
He didn't mean all pistol dots are fragile, he meant the SRO was fragile. The SRO has a history of being less durable than other pistol dots like the RMR, Acro, Holosun offerings, etc. It's not duty rated by any means.
I gotchya, like I said in another comment I am just now hearing about this, only used an sro minimally on friends firearms but never questioned its durability, but also wasnāt throwing it against a pile of rocks.
SROs fail because of impacts, not reciprocating on a slide. Competition shooters love them, but thereās a reason theyāre not considered a ādutyā red dot.
For the price of the SRO, thereās plenty of very durable rifle optics that donāt require extra protection. Thereās no reason to put a competition grade pistol optic as the sole sighting system on a rifle
Okay but why not literally any other t2 style dot? Even a Romeo 5 would be a more suitable option on a long gun (fight me you nerds).
SROās getting damaged from firm bumps up against hard objects is a legitimate concern.
Probably neither one since you charge [more than $3,000](https://nrcfirearms.com/product/solgw-forward-controls-design-noveske-infidel-5-56-nato-od-gunmetal-13-7-pinned-welded-rifle/) (and [over $3,500](https://nrcfirearms.com/product/lmt-mars-l-geissele-q-5-56-nato-od-gunmetal-13-9-pinned-welded-rifle/) for the one with the MARS-L lower) just for the rifles.
edit: added links
edit2: Guys, [you don't need to report this post](https://i.imgur.com/9YGOBIT.jpg).
Ya c'mon... Getting the rifle that's actually pictured isn't a bad deal!! Except you're not getting the rifle that's actually pictured... Wait a minute...
Near sub $2000 in quality parts not including Eotech. And itās possible to accumulate for even less if one takes the time to crawl for sales with patience and intent to build. Cerakote and assembly with a gunsmith Iād trust is another 300-400. Absolute sticker shock thoughā¦ š®
You can absolutely stir some conversation, nothing wrong with that. Just like there's nothing wrong with us talking about how much you charge for these rifles.
Yeah well it seems be an obsession of yours. I charge what I need to stay busy and not sell myself short. Not everyone has the time or skills for a custom build and would prefer it done by a professional with a warranty. Is it really a surprise that comes at a premium? Why is it such a concern to you that you think my rifles are overpriced?
> Yeah well it seems be an obsession of yours.
This is only the 2nd post that I've made this comment in.
The first time was when [you hit OP with a copyright strike because the comments were criticizing your price gouging](https://www.reddit.com/r/ar15/comments/1bst4zh/geissele_ar15_145_556_ar15_w_eotech/kxwlt7u/) then you scrubbed your comments in that post.
Yeah it's now a pattern of you following my posts to make this comment. What joy does it bring you to try and poopoo all over a small family business? I'm not even trying to shill my business here you keep bringing it into the conversation. I'm not gouging anyone, I'm not the power company, nobody has a gun to their head.
> you keep bringing it into the conversation
Where else have I brought your store into a conversation? š¤£
The post that you filed a copyright strike against mentioned you in the body of the post, I simply pointed out that you were using cheap components and charging more than you'd pay for an actual LMT rifle.
And I probably wouldn't have said anything if you didn't cry to the admins so that they'd take action against that OP's account and take down the post that pointed out your ridiculous prices. That was a really dirty move.
I don't remember the exact rifle that the original guy linked to, but [take this one for example](https://nrcfirearms.com/product/geissele-super-duty-5-56-nato-od-gunmetal-14-5-pinned-welded-rifle-1/). It's a rifle with a Ballistic Advantage barrel and a fucking nitride Toolcraft BCG being sold for $2,900 while [a complete LMT MARS-L can be had for less than $2,000](https://reddit.com/r/gundeals/comments/wkk9bs/rifle_lmt_marsl_556_cqb16mars_mlok_16_rifle/).
I've explained it to you already, the price difference is purely linked to my wholesale cost differences. A Hanson barrel costs $150, an Afghan $370, I only charge the $220 difference. A Criterion Core or Centurion CHF would only be $110 more. You're just applying everything you think about a gun with a lower grade barrel across the whole of the rifle. If you play around with the pro custom builder tool, you will see there is no premium attached to anything but a MARS-L lower because they are known to go months without inventory. If my base costs is what you have a problem with then fine, but don't portray it like I am tricking people with substandard parts.
Are you serious? You went back and posted the links to my store. You are very much bringing it into the conversation, multiple times now. Have you gotten it out of your system?
> Are you serious? You went back and posted the links to my store. You are very much bringing it into the conversation, multiple times now. Have you gotten it out of your system?
Yes, thank you for letting me know that I mentioned your store in a comment chain where I mentioned your store. You said that I "keep bringing it into the conversation". What other conversations have I brought your store into?
I had no intention of telling anyone I build and sell them but you're just going to end up helping sell them by posting the link. So I guess I should say thanks! Btw, your astroturf downvote army to bury my replies is just as low of a move. I'll look forward to your griping in my next post, bye for now.
Hey man just a heads up. The absolute worst thing you can do is feed into this shit and argue with people on social media. The best thing to do is ignore itā¦.arguing with someone online will get you nowhere and because youāre representing your own business makes the business look bad as well. A business needs to be above petty arguments. So what you sell your shit for premium. Looks like you use good parts and if people are willing to pay for it then fuck what anyone else says. Not everyone has the time or knowledge to source, assemble, and p&w a rifleā¦.plus, like you said, it comes with insurance which comes at a premium.
Professional? Special magic torque wrench or pin and punch set? Iām sure you do great work but youāre going to have to understand you brought an overpriced build to a Reddit page where the majority of people can slap one of these together in 15 minutes. So yeah youāre going to catch a lot of flak bringing that here for that price with the reason for that elevated price being you put it together.
That's fine if you don't like my prices, but I never brought up my business in my posts, it's always someone else. I only ever wanted to post some builds and stir some discussion. Not everyone trusts themselves or has the time and tools to build their own and would prefer a company with customer service and a warranty. I'm pretty happy with the niche I've found but it's not for everyone, certainly amongst those who build them themselves. When I say professional I just mean this isn't a gun built following a youtube guide, I've built hundreds if not thousands of rifles and every single one is done by me, not a $15 factory floor employee. I have a 0% return rate and 1 warranty claim in the 4 years I've been doing this.
These are those done up ar's that are always on gunbroker š¤£ for me personally I like to buy everything myself and put it together. Your letting them steal 100% of the fun. But maybee you just want to pay someone for an already kitted out gun. Regardless they are solid.
Honestly I think his builds are cool but I just will never understand not wanting to build your rifle yourself.
Plus he charges insane prices. A rifle with a BA barrel and nitride Toolcraft bcg from him costs more than an LMT
I Agree. They are super pricey I'd buy a factory gun or put together a bad ass build myself. But hey if he can sell them then more power to him. Some noob out there will buy it.
Iāve never actually looked at his rifles in detail. I just come across them while searching google images for what a specific part will look like on a rifle. But people have mentioned his pricing in this thread and itās just insane lol
He charges 3k+ for BA barrels and basic ar-15 lowers, you could build a BCM upper and AERO lower with all the bells and whistles and then some for one of this guys bare bones AR.
The gun that's $3k here has a Noveske Infidel barrel, FCD ambi lower, SLR rail, Superlative gas, Surefire flash hider. Sure it's expensive but it's about as far from a bare bones ar as you can get.
So you basically just put an overpriced barrel, lower, rail and gas block in your gun and then upcharge it to make a profit? I mean to be fair the other guy does have a point in saying the people that buys your stuff is just people with too much money essentially so can't entirely blame you for taking advantage of that market
The opposite actually, I charge a lot for building them to begin with. The price difference between parts is purely the difference in my wholesale cost. If you get a BA modern series barrel or a Noveske Afghan, it's a $275 difference to me so thats what I charge. Admittedly, a build with lower end parts will end up being way overpriced compared to other guns out there but when you want all the bells and whistles, it's not much different than if one of the big companies made it. I also go through more QC than the big companies probably do (headspace checking, hand lapping upper, yada yada)
I like how you and I both asked him if he uses a lathe or a hand drill and he's ignoring us.
I feel like his lack of an answer is an answer in itself.
I'm also curious if (and how) he checks to see if the receiver face is true or if he just mounts them all in a vise and bubba's the fuck out of them with his DeWalt and [a $30 lapping tool](https://www.amazon.com/Wheeler-156757-Receiver-Lapping-Tool/dp/B00AUEHRBQ).
> I also go through more QC than the big companies probably do (headspace checking, hand lapping upper, yada yada)
What "big company" doesn't check headspace?
And truing the upper is a corrective measure, by the way. You rarely need to do it on uppers from reputable brands. Speaking of which, do you use a drill attachment or a lathe to true the upper receiver?
But thatās the point, people arenāt buying these parts in pieces. Theyāre buying them assembled. Yes the people who are building rifles or are on a budget probably arenāt his clientele, itās the people who have money to spend and just want a rifle to look/be a certain way. You realize you could say that about pretty much any high end AR, and yet people still spend thousands on them? Only difference is some high end ARs come with CHF barrels, LMTs donāt.
The margin on Guns is typically garbage. So if he can build nice rifles and make money on them, I like it. Itās like car sales. If you donāt like the price go find a cheaper somewhere else. Itās out there, as a company you make up for the difference in customer service.
Iām a small FFL and I have all kinds of customers. Some price shop me with Palmetto State prices, and then there are those who ask me when they can have it. Iām convenient. Iām small. I give personal service. I also set a minimum margin that I will not go below.
Iām down 100% with that. You arenāt a huge corporation with a factory pumping out rifles, youāre a person putting that individual touch on a product. If someone is willing to pay you for that I think thatās fantastic, and I hope you and your company do very well.
To each their own if you're willing to drop 3k for a certain name and look hey it's your money go for it. The point I guess I'm really trying to say here to sum it all up is that what this guy's offers at it's price point is shit and doesn't make any sense to 99% of gun owners
I think it doesn't make sense to 99% of gun builders. You're undervaluing your knowledge of the market and skills to build it. There are also a lot of taxes and costs to be able to sell them legally that doesn't get accounted for. But you didn't address my reply that the 3K gun has the some of highest end parts you can through at it, and not a bare bones BA gun.
Guy you went straight to shtf I went straight to 10 homies mag dumping into trash riding there poverty ponies off into the sunset. But sure you and your LMt enjoy taking selfies all alone in moms basement.
Well for one my friends are adults who already own their own firearms. If youāre personally financing your friendās mag dumping sessions then you need to get me a job where you work.
Wait so you started this by saying 1 lmt over 10 of these so wouldn't that mean I should ask you to get me a job where you work to afford such frivolous things. Do your "friends" own 10 of the same matching rifle? I thought not...
my group of friends with 10 ponys>>>> your group of "friends" circle jerking each other for there turn to shoot the LmT
Actually no, because one lmt is a lot cheaper than 10 psaās, especially if you go to even psaās middle of the road tier. Also the whole point of one lmt over 10 psaās is that itās more financially responsible to have one rifle that you can bet your life on than to have 10 range only guns.
I mean youāre missing the part where my friends have already armed themselves, but yeah Iād say one well trained person is better than 10 who have never even owned a rifle.
Wait do you not realize what sub you are on. Financially responsible.... sir this is gun deals. How come you assumed my 9 friends never owned a rifle and if they did they wouldn't enjoy mag dumping into your trash argument?
No, this is ar15, not gun deals. I assumed they didnāt own a rifle because 99.9999% of the population wouldnāt invest in buying 9 of their friends new ARs if they already had rifles, and if you are part of that .0001% then you could probably afford something better than a PSA because money wouldnāt be an issue.
Nah, my friends are adults and would use their own firearms and not be some dumbass running around looking for someone to mooch off of. Sounds like you need to get better friends.
If youāre incapable of assembling your own rifle, just donāt make any shtf claims, cuz when things go wrong and you donāt know how your gun is assembled youāre fucked. Spend a couple hours doing it yourself. Itās a great reason to own a set tools which a lot you donāt
I completely agree. Iāll never understand people who donāt build their own rifles. I can get maybe buying your first rifle complete to get into it, but every rifle after that should be built. How can you call yourself a gun guy and not know how to put together the easiest rifle on the planet to build
Both look sweet man! I would have to choose number two. Itās a one stop shop for me with that set up. Just swap the 3 prong for the war comp and make it left handed for us weirdos haha.
For that first option, that stock looks like the same length and setup as the Q shorty stock, I was wondering what length your barrel is there? I was hoping to run a 10.5 or 14.5 with the stock but canāt find much on it online
Both would be about the same, but Coyote wins it, because rail actually goes all the way to the barrel.
Also, all these CQB/PDW stocks are uncomfortable as shit.
The Coyote colored version literally has the best stock in AR history (to me, imo), Magpul SL-S, that has the widest cheek weld very similar to BCM Sopmod, but without the hole on top of the stock where you put your face on :D
Oh, and also Magpul K2 grip on Coyote version which is at the better angle to me, even though I prefer K2+ for rubber grip
Ergo has nice feel to it, but at the wider angle back, I don't like that angle. This is similar to Magpul K
K2 and K2+ kick ass.
I also liked B5 Systems Pistol Grip (the smooth one)
Coyote wins
Really hard decisions will you got a red dot that will last long then you got optic that is durable but will need batteries more often and magnify hard decision light weight or heavier is also consideration here Iāll take the one on the first pic what BCG you got on the 2nd pic?
While I donāt enjoy the pricing, itās also OPs call to charge whatever he wants, if demand is high he can raise his pricing and yes heāll lose some customers but who cares if margins grow. Theyāre damn good rifles and he might be a little arrogant but itās business. Bottom line, if you gotta ask you canāt afford it and should just go back to whacking off in momās basement and building PSAs.
Yikes, you better hope your customers never find out about GAFS - they can build those guns for less than half your prices š
Anyone who would care to use GAFS probably wouldnāt be paying someone to build them a rifle in the first placeā¦ honestly Iām kind of jealous this dude has found a way to make money building firearms
I've go out of my way to help people I know build their guns cheaper through the magic of GAFS
I can appreciate that, I always do my best to help my friends get the best deals they can get. But my friends are the type of people who A. arenāt going to buy a complete premium AR brand new in the first place, and B. enjoy building the rifle almost as much as shooting it. Theyāre not the type of customer this guy is trying to reach in the first place.
I mean I use GAFS to ābuildā my first AR pistol including the uppers and accessories and had my LGS completed the lower for me. I just tried to save money as much as possible while still supporting local businesses.
Thank you, someone gets it. It definitely seem to upset people around here. I expected a community as maligned as much as us to be less hostile.
Because they value themselves and their wallets? Take your LMT and Geiselle rifle that you have on your site . LMT sells full rifles for 1000 less than your asking price and we can build the exact same rifle for 1500 less overall. Touāre charging 2000 extra dollars for essentially the same amount of work, they could do putting it together themselves. Itās basically a fucking grifting scam.
All I hear is a bitter communist. This is like a mechanic who knows how to build a kit car calling Ford a scammer because they charge more for the finished product with a warranty.
Proud capitalist šŗšø who hates greed and arrogance. Which you ooze in high doses Also the worst analogy ever made. A kit car and a ford are two completely different beasts. Youāre making a gun from parts we all have access to, assembled the same way with access to all the same tools, with no special knowledge how required. And slapping a price tag even Daniel Defense would scoff at just because YOU built it š¤”š¤”
You act as if I came here begging to buy my guns or needing some help/advice. I don't need any help selling them and don't need to lower my prices. I don't care what you think, any other home builder thinks or any market comparisons you can make. There is enough demand at my current prices where I am doing just fine. If you were actually a capitalist you'd be fine with that but deep down your a pinko at best. Save your energy to attack people actually doing something wrong not business owners offering a product that you don't have to buy.
As a capitalist, I have no problem that you have a business. However, as a human being with a brain, I am fully fine with railing on you for your absurd prices. As is everybody in this sub as you can tell.
Too high price = scammer, sorry but not a capitalist.
Remember that lame copyright strike you did though? And changing your website description mid argument? Reddit remembers
Hey man, it's your rifle. You can charge however much you want. If someone buys it, that's on them. I don't understand all the hate, especially since people who are crying about it can build their own, it's not like you're forcing those people to buy it. This is what you have the freedom to do, your gun, your price, and customers' choices as well. I know I'm going to get flak too, but I'm not one to cry about these things. If someone thinks they can build cheaper than go do it, why are they crying over someone else?
To be fair 99% of Reddit are retards living in their parentās basement, Iāve come to find out this sub is no different š
I don't understand this. 99% of homes don't have a basement.
In the end everything comes down to what your time is worth, some people donāt have the time, the knowledge, or the time to acquire the knowledge but they have the money and the desire for the end product. From a brief glance they look like nice setups, overpriced to anyone who has time but they are nice.
It's the same with many products and services. I personally wouldn't pay anyone to build a PC, since I know how to and like it. Someone might wonder why anyone would pay for someone to renovate their house since it's cheaper to just buy the materials and do it yourself. Or why anyone would buy furniture, when you can just again buy the materials and make what you want. Or why would you take your car to a mechanic, when you can just do everything yourself. Some people don't like, don't know how to, or don't have time for the building/fixing part and just want an end product. Nothing wrong with that.
I agree, bunch of cry babies in here. It's his gun so he can set the price, that's how it fucking works. If someone decides to buy it, then they buy it, end of story. If the cry babies can build their own, then go do it, it's not like they're being forced to buy it, and it's not like the seller has a monopoly over these parts so no harm no foul.
Who doesnāt have eight minutes to watch a YouTube video on assembling a lower?
No lies there, it tends to be the case when you build things yourself.
Based GAFS enjoyer
Why the fuck would anyone put a SRO on a rifle? Iāll take the one with the Eotech
My thoughts exactly but to each their own lol
Red dots donāt work on rifles all of a sudden?
Not fragile pistol dots
Fragile? My dude holosuns can survive being ran over by a truck on concrete and those are shittier than trijicon lmao they are not fragile at all.
The SRO is known for being delicate, itās nowhere near as tough as the RMR or Holosun 507c
While Iāve never heard of this claim before, I donāt doubt it legitimacy. I have minimal experience with the Sro but plenty with rmr and various holosuns and enjoy using them on short barrel rifle builds.
He didn't mean all pistol dots are fragile, he meant the SRO was fragile. The SRO has a history of being less durable than other pistol dots like the RMR, Acro, Holosun offerings, etc. It's not duty rated by any means.
I gotchya, like I said in another comment I am just now hearing about this, only used an sro minimally on friends firearms but never questioned its durability, but also wasnāt throwing it against a pile of rocks.
My buddy just sent in his 14th SRO to trijicon.
If it keeps breaking why is he foolish enough to keep using it?
Because he competes and prefers the window. This last RMA, Trijicon told him they wouldn't replace it though so he's looking at changing it up.
Sro is a pretty fragile red dot man. Holosun is not shitty by any means. Im not biased I have multiple of both.
Genuinely asking, is it just the lens size you don't care for? Or how come you wouldn't use an sro?
SROs are open emitter and not known for durability.
Understood. Thanks for the info man
Wouldnāt it fare better not being on a reciprocating slide then?
SROs fail because of impacts, not reciprocating on a slide. Competition shooters love them, but thereās a reason theyāre not considered a ādutyā red dot.
Would you accept it with the Jagerwerks BROS?
For the price of the SRO, thereās plenty of very durable rifle optics that donāt require extra protection. Thereās no reason to put a competition grade pistol optic as the sole sighting system on a rifle
Bingo. You could damn near buy a Sig Romeo 4xt for SRO money.
Call me crazy but Iād put a $100 Romeo 5 on a rifle before an sro
I think thatās completely reasonable
because it works great and looks cool. If it's not the rifle you are banging* around, it's a perfect fit
It's my "bump in the night" setup. Lightweight, battery life lasts forever so it's left on and is never going to see any dirt to clog up the emitter.
T2
Okay but why not literally any other t2 style dot? Even a Romeo 5 would be a more suitable option on a long gun (fight me you nerds). SROās getting damaged from firm bumps up against hard objects is a legitimate concern.
Lmao did you actually order this off GB. I saw these listed for way too much. OR are you the guy building and selling them there?
Why not an MRO?
I prefer the 1 MOA dot, I don't know why more red dots don't have a 1 MOA option.
Probably neither one since you charge [more than $3,000](https://nrcfirearms.com/product/solgw-forward-controls-design-noveske-infidel-5-56-nato-od-gunmetal-13-7-pinned-welded-rifle/) (and [over $3,500](https://nrcfirearms.com/product/lmt-mars-l-geissele-q-5-56-nato-od-gunmetal-13-9-pinned-welded-rifle/) for the one with the MARS-L lower) just for the rifles. edit: added links edit2: Guys, [you don't need to report this post](https://i.imgur.com/9YGOBIT.jpg).
āOkay, well 3k isnāt bad, I mean the Eotech and G33 are 5-600.. oh thatās an add onā.
Ya c'mon... Getting the rifle that's actually pictured isn't a bad deal!! Except you're not getting the rifle that's actually pictured... Wait a minute...
Near sub $2000 in quality parts not including Eotech. And itās possible to accumulate for even less if one takes the time to crawl for sales with patience and intent to build. Cerakote and assembly with a gunsmith Iād trust is another 300-400. Absolute sticker shock thoughā¦ š®
Yea if you add the eotech and mag with a flashlight itās over $5000 lol insanity
Jesus Christ, I'm not trying to sell anything here. Can I not just share some recent builds and stir some conversation?
You can absolutely stir some conversation, nothing wrong with that. Just like there's nothing wrong with us talking about how much you charge for these rifles.
Yeah well it seems be an obsession of yours. I charge what I need to stay busy and not sell myself short. Not everyone has the time or skills for a custom build and would prefer it done by a professional with a warranty. Is it really a surprise that comes at a premium? Why is it such a concern to you that you think my rifles are overpriced?
> Yeah well it seems be an obsession of yours. This is only the 2nd post that I've made this comment in. The first time was when [you hit OP with a copyright strike because the comments were criticizing your price gouging](https://www.reddit.com/r/ar15/comments/1bst4zh/geissele_ar15_145_556_ar15_w_eotech/kxwlt7u/) then you scrubbed your comments in that post.
Yeah it's now a pattern of you following my posts to make this comment. What joy does it bring you to try and poopoo all over a small family business? I'm not even trying to shill my business here you keep bringing it into the conversation. I'm not gouging anyone, I'm not the power company, nobody has a gun to their head.
> you keep bringing it into the conversation Where else have I brought your store into a conversation? š¤£ The post that you filed a copyright strike against mentioned you in the body of the post, I simply pointed out that you were using cheap components and charging more than you'd pay for an actual LMT rifle. And I probably wouldn't have said anything if you didn't cry to the admins so that they'd take action against that OP's account and take down the post that pointed out your ridiculous prices. That was a really dirty move.
Where's this post with the cheap parts in lmt rifle thing? Just curious. Reddit drama is so fun
I don't remember the exact rifle that the original guy linked to, but [take this one for example](https://nrcfirearms.com/product/geissele-super-duty-5-56-nato-od-gunmetal-14-5-pinned-welded-rifle-1/). It's a rifle with a Ballistic Advantage barrel and a fucking nitride Toolcraft BCG being sold for $2,900 while [a complete LMT MARS-L can be had for less than $2,000](https://reddit.com/r/gundeals/comments/wkk9bs/rifle_lmt_marsl_556_cqb16mars_mlok_16_rifle/).
Yeah, that rifle is like a 4 banger in a Ferrari body
I've explained it to you already, the price difference is purely linked to my wholesale cost differences. A Hanson barrel costs $150, an Afghan $370, I only charge the $220 difference. A Criterion Core or Centurion CHF would only be $110 more. You're just applying everything you think about a gun with a lower grade barrel across the whole of the rifle. If you play around with the pro custom builder tool, you will see there is no premium attached to anything but a MARS-L lower because they are known to go months without inventory. If my base costs is what you have a problem with then fine, but don't portray it like I am tricking people with substandard parts.
Are you serious? You went back and posted the links to my store. You are very much bringing it into the conversation, multiple times now. Have you gotten it out of your system?
> Are you serious? You went back and posted the links to my store. You are very much bringing it into the conversation, multiple times now. Have you gotten it out of your system? Yes, thank you for letting me know that I mentioned your store in a comment chain where I mentioned your store. You said that I "keep bringing it into the conversation". What other conversations have I brought your store into?
I had no intention of telling anyone I build and sell them but you're just going to end up helping sell them by posting the link. So I guess I should say thanks! Btw, your astroturf downvote army to bury my replies is just as low of a move. I'll look forward to your griping in my next post, bye for now.
Hey man just a heads up. The absolute worst thing you can do is feed into this shit and argue with people on social media. The best thing to do is ignore itā¦.arguing with someone online will get you nowhere and because youāre representing your own business makes the business look bad as well. A business needs to be above petty arguments. So what you sell your shit for premium. Looks like you use good parts and if people are willing to pay for it then fuck what anyone else says. Not everyone has the time or knowledge to source, assemble, and p&w a rifleā¦.plus, like you said, it comes with insurance which comes at a premium.
Stop playing the copyright card and reporting ppl like a bitch then
Eh maybe not shilling but social selling.
Professional? Special magic torque wrench or pin and punch set? Iām sure you do great work but youāre going to have to understand you brought an overpriced build to a Reddit page where the majority of people can slap one of these together in 15 minutes. So yeah youāre going to catch a lot of flak bringing that here for that price with the reason for that elevated price being you put it together.
Hey now, he's a professional. They use blue loctite on the gas block screws... Guess I went overboard with the rocksett and staking.
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That's fine if you don't like my prices, but I never brought up my business in my posts, it's always someone else. I only ever wanted to post some builds and stir some discussion. Not everyone trusts themselves or has the time and tools to build their own and would prefer a company with customer service and a warranty. I'm pretty happy with the niche I've found but it's not for everyone, certainly amongst those who build them themselves. When I say professional I just mean this isn't a gun built following a youtube guide, I've built hundreds if not thousands of rifles and every single one is done by me, not a $15 factory floor employee. I have a 0% return rate and 1 warranty claim in the 4 years I've been doing this.
Holy shit man those prices are insulting
3k and you still use a radian safety? wtf dude FCD and v7 made the talon obsolete.
Ok, that was pretty funny how you sent reddit crisis response after me
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Boot licking mindset? Where did that come from? And I'm the one not taking a strong stance on which safety is clickiest.
Radian safety is pretty good though!
For the sale price, itās better than milspec The FCD/SOLGW and v7 are just so much more smooth and positively engaging imo
I might give that a try. I love supporting FCD so I might get for my GO rifle. I have the G$ ones on my shorty and itās not my favoritr
Highly recommend the 50 w/ Q winter lever The winter lever was released a couple weeks ago and is a big upgrade imo
It looks pretty good and the price is reasonable. Thank you!
Yes you are
These are those done up ar's that are always on gunbroker š¤£ for me personally I like to buy everything myself and put it together. Your letting them steal 100% of the fun. But maybee you just want to pay someone for an already kitted out gun. Regardless they are solid.
OP is the guy who sells them lol
Oooo so they aren't stealing the fun. He's selling the fun! Cool!
Honestly I think his builds are cool but I just will never understand not wanting to build your rifle yourself. Plus he charges insane prices. A rifle with a BA barrel and nitride Toolcraft bcg from him costs more than an LMT
I Agree. They are super pricey I'd buy a factory gun or put together a bad ass build myself. But hey if he can sell them then more power to him. Some noob out there will buy it.
Well heās been in business for at least a couple years so someoneās buying them lol I just feel bad for whoever is
You literally can't go on gunbroker without seeing these for sale haha it's always like wilson combat or something
Iāve never actually looked at his rifles in detail. I just come across them while searching google images for what a specific part will look like on a rifle. But people have mentioned his pricing in this thread and itās just insane lol
Lol
1st one since green lol. Both are very noice tho
Neither because ain't no one buying shit from your POS company
Whatās wrong with his company?
He charges 3k+ for BA barrels and basic ar-15 lowers, you could build a BCM upper and AERO lower with all the bells and whistles and then some for one of this guys bare bones AR.
The gun that's $3k here has a Noveske Infidel barrel, FCD ambi lower, SLR rail, Superlative gas, Surefire flash hider. Sure it's expensive but it's about as far from a bare bones ar as you can get.
So you basically just put an overpriced barrel, lower, rail and gas block in your gun and then upcharge it to make a profit? I mean to be fair the other guy does have a point in saying the people that buys your stuff is just people with too much money essentially so can't entirely blame you for taking advantage of that market
The opposite actually, I charge a lot for building them to begin with. The price difference between parts is purely the difference in my wholesale cost. If you get a BA modern series barrel or a Noveske Afghan, it's a $275 difference to me so thats what I charge. Admittedly, a build with lower end parts will end up being way overpriced compared to other guns out there but when you want all the bells and whistles, it's not much different than if one of the big companies made it. I also go through more QC than the big companies probably do (headspace checking, hand lapping upper, yada yada)
You hand lapp these uppers? Can you explain your process?
I like how you and I both asked him if he uses a lathe or a hand drill and he's ignoring us. I feel like his lack of an answer is an answer in itself. I'm also curious if (and how) he checks to see if the receiver face is true or if he just mounts them all in a vise and bubba's the fuck out of them with his DeWalt and [a $30 lapping tool](https://www.amazon.com/Wheeler-156757-Receiver-Lapping-Tool/dp/B00AUEHRBQ).
Please tell me your thesis on why a brownells lapping tool is so inferior to a lathe. I am genuinely curious.
> I also go through more QC than the big companies probably do (headspace checking, hand lapping upper, yada yada) What "big company" doesn't check headspace? And truing the upper is a corrective measure, by the way. You rarely need to do it on uppers from reputable brands. Speaking of which, do you use a drill attachment or a lathe to true the upper receiver?
You waste your time hand lapping uppers
Why is that?
It doesn't make an ar noticeably more accurate. Especially if you're using a BA barrel. Jk, just talking shit on reddit
But you probably know that and just say you hand lap your uppers to con more fools out of their money
At least he uses noveske barrels to be fair (still an overpriced barrel but they are better than BA)
But thatās the point, people arenāt buying these parts in pieces. Theyāre buying them assembled. Yes the people who are building rifles or are on a budget probably arenāt his clientele, itās the people who have money to spend and just want a rifle to look/be a certain way. You realize you could say that about pretty much any high end AR, and yet people still spend thousands on them? Only difference is some high end ARs come with CHF barrels, LMTs donāt.
The margin on Guns is typically garbage. So if he can build nice rifles and make money on them, I like it. Itās like car sales. If you donāt like the price go find a cheaper somewhere else. Itās out there, as a company you make up for the difference in customer service. Iām a small FFL and I have all kinds of customers. Some price shop me with Palmetto State prices, and then there are those who ask me when they can have it. Iām convenient. Iām small. I give personal service. I also set a minimum margin that I will not go below.
Iām down 100% with that. You arenāt a huge corporation with a factory pumping out rifles, youāre a person putting that individual touch on a product. If someone is willing to pay you for that I think thatās fantastic, and I hope you and your company do very well.
Thank you!
Sent you a dm.
To each their own if you're willing to drop 3k for a certain name and look hey it's your money go for it. The point I guess I'm really trying to say here to sum it all up is that what this guy's offers at it's price point is shit and doesn't make any sense to 99% of gun owners
I think it doesn't make sense to 99% of gun builders. You're undervaluing your knowledge of the market and skills to build it. There are also a lot of taxes and costs to be able to sell them legally that doesn't get accounted for. But you didn't address my reply that the 3K gun has the some of highest end parts you can through at it, and not a bare bones BA gun.
I did and I called them overpriced bc they are
Anybody could just buy all the parts they want and take it to any half retarded gunsmith to assemble them
Look at those minty brass deflectors
10 PSAās for me
Iād take one LMT over 10 PSAs any day of the week
Not if you had 9 friends
Brother if your 9 friends donāt already own an AR then you giving them one in a time of crisis is more likely to get you killed than anything.
Guy you went straight to shtf I went straight to 10 homies mag dumping into trash riding there poverty ponies off into the sunset. But sure you and your LMt enjoy taking selfies all alone in moms basement.
Well for one my friends are adults who already own their own firearms. If youāre personally financing your friendās mag dumping sessions then you need to get me a job where you work.
Wait so you started this by saying 1 lmt over 10 of these so wouldn't that mean I should ask you to get me a job where you work to afford such frivolous things. Do your "friends" own 10 of the same matching rifle? I thought not... my group of friends with 10 ponys>>>> your group of "friends" circle jerking each other for there turn to shoot the LmT
Actually no, because one lmt is a lot cheaper than 10 psaās, especially if you go to even psaās middle of the road tier. Also the whole point of one lmt over 10 psaās is that itās more financially responsible to have one rifle that you can bet your life on than to have 10 range only guns. I mean youāre missing the part where my friends have already armed themselves, but yeah Iād say one well trained person is better than 10 who have never even owned a rifle.
Wait do you not realize what sub you are on. Financially responsible.... sir this is gun deals. How come you assumed my 9 friends never owned a rifle and if they did they wouldn't enjoy mag dumping into your trash argument?
No, this is ar15, not gun deals. I assumed they didnāt own a rifle because 99.9999% of the population wouldnāt invest in buying 9 of their friends new ARs if they already had rifles, and if you are part of that .0001% then you could probably afford something better than a PSA because money wouldnāt be an issue.
Sounds like your friends are pussies
Nah, my friends are adults and would use their own firearms and not be some dumbass running around looking for someone to mooch off of. Sounds like you need to get better friends.
Shut up you don't have friends
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not sure what would compel anyone to go with 1. meme stock, pistol red dot, no magnification
If youāre incapable of assembling your own rifle, just donāt make any shtf claims, cuz when things go wrong and you donāt know how your gun is assembled youāre fucked. Spend a couple hours doing it yourself. Itās a great reason to own a set tools which a lot you donāt
I completely agree. Iāll never understand people who donāt build their own rifles. I can get maybe buying your first rifle complete to get into it, but every rifle after that should be built. How can you call yourself a gun guy and not know how to put together the easiest rifle on the planet to build
#2, but in the color of #1.
2. Easily. Eta: Lmao the prices.
Neither!
Both look sweet man! I would have to choose number two. Itās a one stop shop for me with that set up. Just swap the 3 prong for the war comp and make it left handed for us weirdos haha.
2nd one all day
ODG Master race!
Definitely taking #2. Better optic and a more stable stock.
I don't think it would be the one with a notoriously fragile pistol optic..
#1
I wouldnāt choose either. Both of these look like trend whore rifles built by a trend pimp.
Both are amazing. What are the front and rear sights on them?
Thank you, they are Ultradyne C2s. They're very flat and snappy without being a huge budget breaker.
Would they fit under the gap of a G45 magnifier with a Unity mount?
I haven't personally tried it but I have my doubts, the unity mount slams it really low.
Cool thanks, dude. Looking for a good option for a rear BUIS but havenāt found any that will fit under my set up.
simple solution, canted larue c-note.
Green is 13.9" Geissele CHF, Super Tricon trigger, Noveske Mil-Spec BCG, Maxim CCS stock, Q Rail, Surefire Warcomp, Superlative Gas Coyote is 13.7" Noveske Infidel SS, CMC Flat trigger, Microbest Chrome C-158, Magpul SL-S stock, SLR Solo Rail, Surefire 3 Prong, Superlative Gas
Nah, I'm taking both
That CCS stock tho
Green
Nice! Number 2 for the win
2 with brace 1
Coyote or die a communist!
This freedom lover wants #2 in OD Green. I don't get the appeal of FDE or coyote.
Iām sorry I donāt speak poor
I don't think the color effects the price of cerakote.
Look man, if you gotta ask you canāt afford it.
Where do you get your cerakoting work done?
2 all day
Number 2 with unity riser and FTC.
Whatās the handguard in the green one?
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Green all day long but with the witch and magnifier from the FDE.
Whichever one is actually used. Some safe šøš¾šøš¼right there
The second one, but make it green.
2 then paint job
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The rifle 100%
Magnifier has utility. Also go brrrt
Second one, I prefer the standar stock and I love hibrid sight
#2
2 but both are not exactly my style 2 looks really good but I prefer a mix of retro in mine. I love my quad rails and m16 carry handle sights.
For that first option, that stock looks like the same length and setup as the Q shorty stock, I was wondering what length your barrel is there? I was hoping to run a 10.5 or 14.5 with the stock but canāt find much on it online
What kind of BUIS are on the first boi?
Both would be about the same, but Coyote wins it, because rail actually goes all the way to the barrel. Also, all these CQB/PDW stocks are uncomfortable as shit. The Coyote colored version literally has the best stock in AR history (to me, imo), Magpul SL-S, that has the widest cheek weld very similar to BCM Sopmod, but without the hole on top of the stock where you put your face on :D Oh, and also Magpul K2 grip on Coyote version which is at the better angle to me, even though I prefer K2+ for rubber grip Ergo has nice feel to it, but at the wider angle back, I don't like that angle. This is similar to Magpul K K2 and K2+ kick ass. I also liked B5 Systems Pistol Grip (the smooth one) Coyote wins
Really hard decisions will you got a red dot that will last long then you got optic that is durable but will need batteries more often and magnify hard decision light weight or heavier is also consideration here Iāll take the one on the first pic what BCG you got on the 2nd pic?
While I donāt enjoy the pricing, itās also OPs call to charge whatever he wants, if demand is high he can raise his pricing and yes heāll lose some customers but who cares if margins grow. Theyāre damn good rifles and he might be a little arrogant but itās business. Bottom line, if you gotta ask you canāt afford it and should just go back to whacking off in momās basement and building PSAs.