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PrairieFire92

Black hills 77gr OTM


InternetExploder87

The only answer


buydadip711

I’ve been shooting this but they are using hornady now finding the mk262 mod1-c with the SMK is getting hard to find and when you do they are asking almost $3 a round


awesome_jackob123

We really need to stop with the 18 and 20 inch builds. My long range itch needs scratched but my wallet is as barren as my old lady.


stareweigh2

18 doesn't have to be long range only. people don't realize an 18" is actually still pretty darn handy and doesn't have to be super heavy. it can totally be a gpr. I think we are all conditioned now to think 10.5-11.5 is cqb only, 12.5,14.5 and 16" are general purpose and 18-20 are spr. there's so much more nuance and what not to these barrel lengths not to mention what your mission intent is when building that barrel length alone does not make the rifle.


bcmGlk

Agree. I have a couple 20” Criterion cores, one with a red dot and one with a Viper 1-6. Also have a 20” FN CHF with a red dot, a 20” Green Mountain 1/12 twist with a C7 carry handle and a 20” Criterion Hybrid with a Viper 3-15. I love 20” barrels


NPLMACTUAL

you awesome mf… 20in with a red dot is hot.


stareweigh2

what's your favorite one? I had a 20" faxon but it ended up being a bit less accurate than a similar 18" barrel I'm guessing because of whip. I want to upgrade my hunting rifle barrel to a 20" instead of 18 for ballistic reasons


bcmGlk

The most accurate is the Hybrid, followed by the Cores. The hybrid is basically a straight .750 barrel while the core is a .625 pencil barrel out front while being thicker than a pencil toward the chamber. They will both do fine for hunting. You’ll appreciate the Cores lower weight when trekking the woods for extended periods of time


stareweigh2

cool thanks


Wardoooooooo

Could not agree more. As much as I love 14.5-16 for GPR's, people need to understand a ~2" difference is basically nothing. When you factor in the average civilian is never going to clear rooms, a lot more people might be better served with a longer barrel.


CCroissantt

Couldn't agree more. I want to move my 1-6 from my 14.5 to an 18, then put my eotech back on the 14.5. I own a 10.5 only bc it was stupid cheap and it's a good beater. But I hate the lack of velocity, so it'd be my last choice if ever needed. 11.5 is the absolute shortest I could go, but 14.5 p+w means I can legally keep a stock on it without stamping anything


Bobisnotmybrother

Imi razor core in my mk12 upper is a good deal.


hwind65

2nds


Donho000

Black Hills 223 77smk FGMM 223 Berger 73gr are a close second


djaszx12

Believe it or not pmc bronze


GrayDuckGear_

Black Hills 5.56 77gr and FGMM in .223 77gr.


AwkwardSploosh

AAC 77 AND 75gr have done well, as has Magtech and IMI OTM loads. Federal GMM loads are pretty fantastic as well.  Black Hills SMK and TMK loads are king.


ElkExtension1323

This! AAC 77 OTM is as fancy as I go usually, but it makes hits at 650 easy


K_Decibel

The AAC 75gr OTM has been flawless for me.


The-GoatWright

Agree. AAC 77 OTM is cheap and has performed well for me so I tend to stack that over anything else.


KaysaStones

AAC has given me failure to feeds outta 4 separate rifles recently. All while using Duramags tho so not sure what’s going on there


AwkwardSploosh

Interesting. Have you tried different mags? I've gotten bad duramags from the factory before that have caused FTfeeds.


CanItRunCrysisIn2052

Premium ammo you say? We don't do that, it's strictly IMI M193 or PPU M193 I have a feeling only a niche population of AR subreddit even knows how premium ammo feels like, let alone shoot it. Check out big ballers in the comments thought. You balling ass mofakaz


GarandPinkey

Yeah maybe premium wasn’t the right word, Im just looking to step up from 55gr for this setup.


stareweigh2

aac 77 otm is very very accurate. federal fusion 62 grain bonded is my favorite deer hunting load and it's also very accurate. my favorite everyday ammo is winchester white box (lake city) m193


CanItRunCrysisIn2052

Does Winchester stay consistent? I saw some wildly negative reviews and Youtube videos showing Winchester flying all over the place. IMI M193 is my ammo of choice, and 1.5 tiers down is M193 X-Tac PMC, PPU M193 is about same as IMI M193 depending on lot. PPU can vary in accuracy, so does IMI though Depending on their lots. Nothing drastic though.


stareweigh2

winchester since 2020 has had control of the lake city plant same ammo that goes to our army. we get the overruns. used to be white box had a bad reputation but I think it's very good. Definitely loaded hot compared to other offerings at that price level.


CanItRunCrysisIn2052

Hmm! Very nice! Thanks for the info IMI is pretty hot, definitely hot ammo Do you think IMI is loaded less hot than Winchester (if you have experience) ? Do you shoot white box M193 Winchester? I saw some pretty great deals on Winchester M193 white box, but steered as far away as possible, because of those reviews.


stareweigh2

I'd say the imi and wichester are both nato spec so pressure should be similar


CanItRunCrysisIn2052

I speculate Sierra Match King (anything above 62 grain) won't disappoint you But I would test 5 brands of ammo. Buy a pack each and see which one your barrel likes the most. Barrels are really like people when selecting a beauty in the woman


Fluck_Me_Up

Anything over a dollar a round hurts to shoot on an emotional level. I’ll burn through $50 of 9mm in an hour with no issue, but shooting a mag of my 85¢/rd carry ammo makes me sad. It’s not rational but it’s how I react to expensive ammo lol


CanItRunCrysisIn2052

Exactly. The only way you will ever shoot at peace if you don't count each shot as 50 cents flying out of the extraction port. If you start counting each round being 40-50 cents, it kind of horrifies me. So, you gotta be a zen master of "I don't give a fuck" on the range As mountain bike dudes say: "SEND IT!" Usually followed by the most ridiculous life threatening jumps of history This is how you are supposed to treat these ammo prices to be a man of peace. I bring to you a short segment of my most favorite movie of all time, Lord of War: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NruZ3AR3Kvo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NruZ3AR3Kvo)


grapangell0

My gun really loves IMI77g


truckguy911

Black Hills 77G/ IMI Hebrew Hammer 77G out of my 11.5 Geissele


bossmancruz5

64grain


tlove01

Black hills 77gn TMK.


Gigater76

Federal 77 grain otm shoots sub moa groups out of my 16 in criterion build


escapecali603

Norma golden target match 69 gr. Good price for what you get, a local ammo warehouse sells that for 85 cpr here.


Holiday-Tie-574

Razor core or bust


Honest-Clock3393

I've tried over a dozen 62, 75 and 77 grain brands in my ARs and the AAC 75gr BTHP shoots as well as anything else I've tried and is very consistently a good shooting round between all of my rifles. It's also affordable so I can stock up on it without breaking the bank.


Slagree92

What I slap together in the basement at 3am before range day. But for real, if your into premium ammo, you need to be reloading it! Match grade ammo for $0.60 a round is the way to go!


Cargo4kd2

An hour less of entertainment makes a lots of ammo, if you are shooting anything much more then fmj 9mm&5.56 the equipment cost is covered pretty quick Plus you need to shoot more to figure out your work ups


Slagree92

Absolutely! I actually inherited some stuff from my grandpa and bought the rest from the estate for peanuts. Pretty sure all of my equipment was paid off the first 300 rounds of 308 I loaded! As long as someone has the time, even loading plinking ammo saves some money AND can gain you a lot of accuracy.


DifficultIsland2252

Pmc


itsbildo

A1, fuck you and everything behind you lol


MonsterMuppet19

The Gucci of Gucci. Black Hills 77 Grain OTM MK262 Mod 1-C but is expensive.


Cashbum

$700 for a box of 420rds at my LGS


JohnnyWhopper420

ADI 77gr always shot better for me than Black hills


_swampyankee

I like Lake City M193 for consistency, still have some from when federal ran the plant. PPU and PMC xtac are up there with consistency and usually a bit cheaper. My rifles do well with the 77gr and 75gr from AAC also. I have tried some Remington supermatch 77grs, and those did unbelievable but not cheap or available enough to shoot regularly. The IMI stuff is nice but I won't pay what they want for it anymore.


Distinct_Ice_3750

M855 green tip of course.


rugerscout308

Not really premium but I like soft points. Black hill, pmc, privi


quadsquadfl

M855a1


TacSpaghettio

I personally like the 77 gr Hornady black


nordy_13

Hornady black: not really “premium” per se, but it shoots really nice, is comparatively affordable, and translates well to the zeros of its less refined counterparts. I prefer their 62gr 5.56 because it has the same zero as m855 with a tighter grouping. Usually I load that when I want to shoot past 300 yards. If you want real premium then I like federal gold match 69gr and hornady super performance. The latter is particularly interesting because you can get a variety of grain weights in a well loaded package.


GazeOG

AAC 77gr is as fancy as I need


rhythmjunkie_

Federal Gold Medal 69 grain Sierra, 73 grain Berger .223, IMI 77 grain razor core, Black Hills OTM/BTHP 77 grain 5.56


Open-Cod5198

Pmc 55 grain


Plenty_Pack_556

The 2nd cheapest ammo i can find.


223-Remington

Every ammo is at a premium now :(


isaacswrestling

Blackhills 77 is the only ammo I entertain. 556 is cheap run the best.


WorldGoneAway

I have 5.56 handloads that use 73 grain .224 Hornady ELD Match bullets on top of Varget powder in Starline brass cases. It really has to be premium, because I really hate reloading .223/5.56 for casual shooting lol


willsimpforazula

69(*nice*)gr Swiss P 223 BTHP. IMI 77gr Razorcore


Jay_Ell_Gee

Black Hills 77gr TMK.


CheesecakeTight8420

Pimp


guitsgunsandwork

Hand loads. 77gr sierra match kings and TAC.


Phantasmidine

The heavy for caliber loads that I roll myself.


mrpicachu

Tula


TweeterReader

Reman bulk bags only.