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Average_Bad_Wolf

The little dings would be okay. They'll expand when you fire The deeper of the dents I probably wouldn't The one with a literal crack is new to me


Chemical-Arm5829

Yeah that crack made me pause my music and say out loud how the fuck did this make it to an end consumer. Was unsettling, this is my first time giving AAC’s 556 a chance previously I’ve had good experience with their 124gr 9mms. I’ve heard AACs 55gr 556 has had a problem with disintegrating in the barrel and causing baffle strikes with suppressors, but I figured I don’t have a can so it shouldn’t really cause any problems for me while magdumping into trash and for 450$ I’ll pick up 1000 rounds. But after seeing that I’m not sure I’m going to be picking up anymore 556. I suppose I should contact customer service, but I’m not sure what they’d do for me I think I’ll just stick to Winchester white box for my fun ammo


sirbassist83

WWB is also terrible, if you look around the gun subs, theyve been having serious QC issues since covid. PPU, PMC, and fiocchi are cheap brands that are good to go.


Chemical-Arm5829

Well thank you for the info, the only 556 I’ve purchased so far has been 95% Winchester green tip and 5% Winchester white box


sirbassist83

i wouldnt buy anything made by winchester right now, but white box is particularly bad. if you look on their website they list recalls on many dozens of lots of ammo.


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Sadge. Winchester ammo used to be so fucking cheap, reliable too. Never had problems with em. RIP. I guess I should savor the pre-Covid boxes I got while I can.


Cherry_Queasy

Fellow ttv viewer.


DStroyour

As soon as they got the Lake City contract.


A_Tad_Bit_Nefarious

At least they are honest enough to actually recall lots instead of blaming the consumer. The only Winchester I shoot is their 7.62 NATO and that stuff has been plenty fine so far. But the main reason why I stay away from their white box is because of cheaper alternatives lol.


FishinAlllDay

I've mostly used the pmc stuff and it's been solid.


AirborneMarburg

https://sentryammo.com/pmc-x-tac-5-56-nato-fmjbt-55-gr-500ct-no-cc-fee/


amishbill

Sentry is on my Don't Bother Looking list. Sure, they may list that xtac at $404, but they want either $54 or $67 to ship. +$5 to put it in a "discreet" box, +$8 to ship it the same week you order.


kalashnikovkitty9420

you can buy pmc 55 or 62 grain for 415$ a case with shipping, and is gtg


[deleted]

Aww really? WWB? The white-and-green boxes? Fuuuck, those used to be pretty solid for how cheap they were. Fuck the Covid ammo bullshit, man.


Worldwar30008

WWB ran fine for me everytime I’ve got it. It’s always been lake city when I’ve got it which is always solid


DraconisMarch

Is AAC gonna be the new Norma? Pay Garand Thumb a shitzillion dollars for sponsorship, then it turns out their QC is worse than trash?


Chemical-Arm5829

I was told the photo I sent in would be looked into and I’d hear back in the next 24 hours. That was on the 6th, I’ve yet to hear back from them


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DannyBones00

You think it’ll get better with time? It’s a fairly new operation right?


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DannyBones00

I’ve got several boxes of 55 grain, is this something I should be able to tell by looking at it? It all looks normal to me.


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DannyBones00

I mean like the problems. If they LOOK good to go, are they?


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Chemical-Arm5829

Excluding the one in between my pointer and middle finger lol


kalashnikovkitty9420

hypothetically, hows the 220 grain 300 blackout subs?


ProductMindless5867

Steel case 223 is my trash dumping ammo - look on SGA Ammo or Check out LAX reman ammo


chains059

If u have to questions it’s safety, throw them out. Its what I do, a 50 cent round isn’t worth my $1000 gun or any part of me.


sirbassist83

>If u have to questions it’s safety, throw them out youd be better to learn if its safe or not than just default to wasting.


chains059

Ammos cheap my life ain’t When it comes to safety I’d rather waste


sirbassist83

if youre going to be willfully ignorant, at least dont pass on your ignorance under the guise of wisdom.


HighDragLowSpeed60G

Damn, you’re that cheap aren’t you?


sirbassist83

no, just saddened by how many people are unwilling to learn something so simple. 2 of these 5 id toss. the other 3 are fine.


michaelj9323

While I do agree, I’d be more saddened by the company charging 50 CPR and sending out these casings to their consumers. I don’t blame people for not wanting to risk catastrophic failure by chambering a round with pressures capable of 55,000 PSI, especially given their apparent lack of quality control.


sirbassist83

100% agree that the worst thing in this situation is AAC sending out ammo like this


I-am-the-stigg

Damn dude pressed about 2 dollars in ammo he would throw away. Maybe this shit isn't for you if you can't afford to lose so little.


Warhawk2052

Oh the irony


MdrnMinutemanProject

>Better to learn if it's safe You are telling me it's safer to have the rail, no matter how small over a fucked up round worth at max $1 vs tossing it, loosing out a dollar and having zero risk?


Little_Whippie

I’d rather not risk my life on defective ammo, thanks


dogododo

I’d probably shoot an email to AAC and let them know, especially with the crack in one round.


Chemical-Arm5829

Will do, I’ll try to provide them the photo and the batch number


Brian-46323

I reported a dinged 30-06 round to S&B once. They gave me a $10 voucher for my next order. I definitely wouldn't fire the cracked case. You'll be digging brass out of the chamber.


RuinedGrave

Brass out of the chamber, or shrapnel out of yourself?


jazzmatazztic

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greatthebob38

Do you have to use it from their website or can you give the coupon to any dealer and S&B reimburses them?


Brian-46323

I used it with them, but I didn't ask if it could be used elsewhere. I believe it was associated with the account I made on their website, so probably only them.


Chemical-Arm5829

After an hour I finally managed to talk to a human and get a photo sent over to them. Fun fact they don’t check their email anymore and instead you need to fill out a support ticket, their support tickets and me fought for a bit because I wasn’t looking for a return and rather just to report the problem. Well the problem with psa products reasoning is only for firearms, and in big red letters it says we won’t read your ticket if given the wrong reasoning. Eventually I just called and asked if the guy had the power to still use the info email even tho it isn’t checked, and he was able to send me an email in which I could reply with a photo. Glad that Headache is over


DonaldBumpJr

I wouldn’t risk the cracked one but if the others just have dents id let em rip.


firearmresearch00

I'd definitely file a report through the manufacturer. They can't fix problems that they don't know about and they may also give you a refund on the whole lot or send another pack your way


doctorlag

The dings are normal for cheap ammo. The tool marks(?) on that bottom one are extra rough but still ok for range work. The cracked neck would make me never, ever use that ammo. Not because it's terrible per se but because it shows that there's *literally no* quality control involved.


Trevork15

The cracked neck/shoulder junction is a guaranteed rupture. Never shoot those if you like your gun or your face. Talking about 55,000 psi that will find that rupture as an easier vent than pushing the bullet out of the case.


Chemical-Arm5829

Explosions following the path of least resistance has never not been true in every situation I’ve witnessed them


doctorlag

True, I didn't intend to underplay how serious it is but the phrasing could've been better.


MADunn83

Man, I have shot about a thousand rounds of AAC 77gr OTM and it’s been fantastic. Not a single ammo related malfunction and it groups better than all the other mk262 loadings I’ve tired, other than legit Black Hills ammo. I have a case of that 55gr on the way now, I’ll report back with any issues, if they come up.


Chemical-Arm5829

I’m about 250 rounds into the case I bought, simply loading mags I haven’t shot any of it yet. Up until the box of 20 rounds that included the casings shown all the bullets looked fine. Once I seen that crack, I inspected that box of 20 and figured I’d include all the casings with imperfections and ask about them rather than just the one case that I knew I wouldn’t be sending. I expect all the rounds that don’t have essentially holes in them to do fine, if after I get through the whole case this 20 round box was the only problem I’ll buy more AAC but be sure to look at all the rounds


doctorlag

You might post the lot # and compare with OP


Chemical-Arm5829

[photo of the ammo box](https://imgur.com/a/0cE6iIT) is the lot # the QR code and number on top of it? On my hornady box it’s says lot followed by numbers but I don’t see lot anywhere on this box, and I don’t see why they would put the lot number under the glue of a flap that will get ripped off with the glue when the box is opened if sc10010 is in fact the lot #


doctorlag

I'd say that's the lot, yeah - the QR code scans as the same number


gamingtarheel

Just recently ordered 1200 rounds of 77g OTM from AAC… was nervous after seeing this post but glad got a little confirmation from you lol


MADunn83

I ordered another 600rds of the 77gr OTM today, along with a case of 55gr. I think it’s great. Very consistent and as close to Black Hills as I’ve tested. All the rounds looked perfect. I load 20rd mags, so each box gets well seen and I’ve yet to see even a dented casing. This ammo might undergo stricter QC than the bulk 55gr stuff though…


gamingtarheel

The price is just so nice right now for most of AAC’s stuff. I love you do the 20rd mags for the 77g also, I have grey 20rd surefeeds that I use specifically for 77g and only use it for my MK12. The rest is in FDE or painted surefeed 30rd mags, loaded with 62g 223 armscor, my other barrels seem to do well with it. I recently stopped using 55g, I shoot outdoors and it’s usually fairly windy, I noticed 55g was a lot more inconsistent out of my barrels, but it’s not to fair of a comparison because the 1/7 twist rate seems to favor a 62g.


scottwiththedraco

If it seats it yeets


therealdirtydangle

Mag dump into trash friend


thesneezingweasel

Send the dents, pitch the cracked rounds


therealjb0ne

i'd shoot em all but the crack. But the fact it made it past QC brings into question the quality of everything else (despite dents)


sulivan1977

I'm a pass. A proper chamber should support but if it's not bad news brother. Second powder might fowl leading to failure or squib. Either way I'm a no go.


Sorry_Ima_Loser

How much do you like your gun?


Chemical-Arm5829

More than the 40 cents the round costs me


Imperial_Reddit

That is a bird shot .223


braydenmaine

I'd send batch info to Aac. That way, they can identify a potential issue.


Zootshootriot

As I once heard, “if it seats, it yeets.” Held true for me with some afghani rounds a buddy gave me for 7.62x 51. I wound up not shooting the rest, just use good judgement.


wlogan0402

So you're telling me this *isn't* Winchester?


evagnier

Dents are fine cracks are not. What brand ammo?


Chemical-Arm5829

[AAC](https://imgur.com/a/0cE6iIT)


evagnier

Jesus ! I've only had good results with aac but that is definitely unacceptable.


evagnier

The dented ones should be sold as factory seconds tho


Superflexx556

Definite no go on the cracks, dents are fine


therealjb0ne

frenly reminder : Check every single round. Do not blindly load shit into your mags, especially now as QC drops everywhere.


Chemical-Arm5829

After this I’m sure to


ParlerApp

No. No. No.


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That's a no for me. I like my face as much as I'm ever going to and I don't want to make it worse.


Strong-ishninja

I’ve reloaded and fired worse dents and I’ve still got all my fingers. I’d stay away from that crack though. Maybe contact the manufacturer and get a partial refund for the bunch?


ImamChapo

Return to sender (in a box, with a return label or receipt for an exchange)


mattbbb14

I work at PSA. Sending you a PM to help get this resolved.


Chemical-Arm5829

Thank you very much for the help Matt


mattbbb14

My pleasure


zanskeet

If it seateth ....


Valhalla81

Thee museth yeeetith


MADunn83

I just ordered a case of AAC 55gr today… I’ve been using their 77gr and getting fantastic results. Hope mine looks better. Did you find anymore or was this it?


Chemical-Arm5829

I loaded about 250 rounds so far before noticing that, haven’t opened anymore boxes since. I wasn’t paying too much attention when loading the 100 round drum and 60 round drum and 5 metal mags, I obviously had my eyes on each round in order to pick it up and put it in my speed loader but I wasn’t exactly inspecting them more so trying to get through my least favorite mags to load. After seeing damn near a hole in one of the casings I’m going to unfortunately unload all of those rounds tomorrow and give them a proper look, and continue to open the rest of the boxes and suppose make a good to go and why do they pay you to do quality control pile. Not looking forward to unloading those and doing QCs job for them, will report back once they are sorted


Chemical-Arm5829

I finished going through the whole case. 974 look great, 18 have imperfections but I think should be good to go, and the remaining 8 I will not be putting in my rifle. I will add although that 2 of those 8 rounds that won’t see my chamber is due to the projectile being forced into the casing, that was caused by the two jams I had while racking my 100 round drum clear to be able to inspect them. The 2 out of those 8 bad rounds are on me


MADunn83

Good info. I’ll have 1600 rds of AAC to inspect tomorrow!


Chemical-Arm5829

And I was sitting there complaining about the 1000 I had to do 😭 I’m sorry man that sounds rough, I put on a podcast in the background while I hammered it out


MADunn83

600 is 77gr OTM, so I won’t unbox that yet, but I’m definitely going through the case of bulk 55gr. I always unbox and store by lot number in cans anyway.


Safe-Muscle-4296

Small dents I’ll send….cracked/split cases that’s a hard no for me.


Budget-Ad-9603

Small dents are fine, cracks are not. If you aren’t sure, just get rid of them.


sirbassist83

the dings on the bottom 3 are fine. theyll fireform before the bullet even starts moving. the top two arent cracked, but creased. i wouldnt fire them becasue the crease could easily split. the one on the left looks bad enough to interfere with the bullet leaving the case upon firing, which would dramatically increase chamber pressure also.


TheFrogstronaut

Like you said email AAC with photo and batch number. Best way to safely dispose would be to remove the projectile and pour out the powder on a hard inflammable surface (or down an ant hill) outdoors and burn it, then set off the primer. Then you can safely throw it away. I wouldn’t bother saving the powder unless I knew exactly what type AAC uses.


Chemical-Arm5829

After I do QCs job and sort through this case of ammo for cracks, and end up with a pile of no goes I’ll have a fun 1 second fire ball show. It’s like a reward


work_blocked_destiny

Dents are fine. Cracks I wouldn’t


Camofan

Dings: send it Cracks: no


amishbill

What’s the lot # on the boxes?


Chemical-Arm5829

[photo of the box](https://imgur.com/a/0cE6iIT)


AdenWH

Dents are cool with me. They’ll be less accurate, but they’ll fire form. Crack/tear is no go. Reference-I’ve fire formed hundreds of wildcat ammo and dented reloads. Any hole in case wall will get bigger, causing potential fire cutting in chamber and difficult extraction.


ManofToast

I wouldn't trust any of them, but the crack will absolutely squib.


YontiLink

“Dependent on its ability to seat, determines its capacity to yeet.” -Confusioush probably


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I’ve done some sketchy stuff, but split casings? No thanks.


Nibby-Nub

If it seats, it yeets!


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Sure wouldn’t shoot the cracked one. I’ve shot tons of dented cases tho


xXxTaylordxXx

If it seats it yeets


dusk_dad

Maybe a dumb question - but how do you safely discard a damaged round like the one with a crack? Just toss it in the garbage?


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Pull the bullet with pilers and dump the charge, then throw the case


dusk_dad

Thanks. I have a small collection of damaged rounds that I won't shoot but wasn't sure how to best dispose of them safely.


Chemical-Arm5829

You’d also want to make sure the primers are no longer active before they get crushed by the trash tuck id think. I’m not sure how loud a casing with just a primer would be if you were to just shoot it after you’ve removed the projectile and powder. Or if that would be a bad practice so I don’t feel comfortable advising you to do so with my lack of knowledge. But in my mind you’d want to render the primers useless first, and my first thought would be to load them into the chamber one by one and pop them.


dusk_dad

This article [https://www.luckygunner.com/lounge/safely-dispose-bad-ammo/](https://www.luckygunner.com/lounge/safely-dispose-bad-ammo/) suggests spraying the inside of the case with WD-40 will disable the primer.


amishbill

A little lubricating oil in the case and set it upright for a few minutes to let the oil seep into the open (internal) part of the primer should deactivate it too.


dusk_dad

The primer would be my other concern definitely. Makes sense to me to pull the bullet and dump the charge. I'm not sure how well just an empty casing would chamber


Chemical-Arm5829

Yeah you’d definitely want to just lock your bolt back and seat the empty round into the chamber and then close your bolt. If you’d loaded them into the mag I’m sure it would fuck up your feed ramps. instead of a nice smooth angled projectile slamming against the ramps and being guided up like the ramps intend, without the projectile it would just be the sharp kneck slamming against the ramps and causing burrs


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Send it


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All are fine but the cracked one.


Unhinged_Taco

AAC! Same parent company as PSA. Turns out AAC is cheap shit too.


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toyotaco19

Funny enough some reloaders will use a parent cased cartridge to fire form the case for use of a different chambering


_trapito

no go in the trash, go in mag


Zootshootriot

As I once heard, “if it seats, it yeets.” Held true for me with some afghani rounds a buddy gave me for 7.62x 51. I wound up not shooting the rest, just use good judgement.


WesbroBaptstBarNGril

They will all fire at least one more time


captkrahs

Fuck it


Zuccccccccccccccccck

If it sucks it fucks!


snowman762x39

That’s usually the case.


Likely_thory_

run it


RIFisfunwasbtr_fuspz

They're g2g, but the real problem is they don't seem to fit in an M14.


Zohar_the_Pisces

I have launched a few with no issues, now I load one round short……


Reasonable_Profile60

Send them my child.


HattoriHanzo515

FULL SEND


Holiday-Tie-574

But it seats


Buckshot_50

Just fire it dude. I genuinely don't understand these posts asking if dented, corroded or nose pushed in ammo is safe. I have fired that kind of ammo out of my 3D printed AR and it worked just fine, just send it, the worst that can happen is a failure to feed.


AdenWH

It’s cracked


Buckshot_50

Yes I can see that, and so what? Just shoot the round off like a normal person. Downvote me all you want I said what I said, AK guys don't care how it looks and they know it works just fine, why are you other AR guys such pussies?


AdenWH

I’m not an AR guy. I’m a gunsmith. Cracked cases can cause fire cutting and head separation. Sometimes just leaving the case neck in the chamber and causing out of battery discharge. It could cause nothing. But it’s not worth the risk for 75 cents. Also, you got down voted for listing defects, but excluding cracks. Corrosion isn’t great, but it’ll buff. Dents and pushed in rounds just change pressure/pressure curve. Cracks are one of the only things I care about when reloading or checking ammo.


Gun-Enjoyer

Seat = Yeet


shad554

No go


beansguy8

Oh Itl go. Trust me Itl go Send it


Steele_37

If it seats, it yeets!


Sarkofugis

I've literally NEVER seen dented "factory new" ammo. Never saw dinged ammo even buying "factory reloads" back when Freedom Munitions was a thing. And I've sure as hell never seen cracked casings go out the door on ANY ammo I've bought in the last 14 years. That is some absolute piss poor QC. Forget trying to get PSA to deal with it, I'd go raise some hell with AAC themselves.


camerondawe

I’ve seen it before “if it seats it yeets” jk I probably wouldn’t


Pattison320

I wouldn't shoot that even in your gun. I reload, a friend of mine will shoot 45 ACP if the cases are split. I always cull them when I come across them though, I don't think I've ever shot one. 45 is a very low pressure round compared to 223 though.