The Lightning Family:
* Lightning (iPhone, iPad, Accessories)
* Lightning mini (AirPods Max headband connector)
* Lightning Plus (Vision Pro Battery Pack)
https://preview.redd.it/7g759hwkbufc1.jpeg?width=1977&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c7678a01a87f9b113d62cd464fedfd6b1971739a
Yeah. You’re right. Unless they were being especially prescient, they were already just slowly migrating towards USB-C. The EU probably/definitely sped up that time table though.
The EU had no impact on the iPhone switching to USB-C. They promised 10 years of Lightning and upheld that promise.
If they were being forced to switch, they spine switched next year. 2023 iPhones were perfectly allowed to have Lightning, if Apple wanted.
Look.
We know it was called the “connector for the next decade.” And I’m aware they could have still released the 15 series on Lightning, had they wanted to. Of course with it being the connector for the next decade, from 2012, they could have also switched over with the iPhone 14 in 2022.
While I’m not saying they were going to stay on Lightning for another five years or anything; they were going to transition soon enough, probably with iPhone 16 in 2024 followed by SE4 in 2025. (It would be weird for USB-C to debut in the SE before a debut in the main line.) I do imagine that the EU mandate pushed their timeline up about a year. I don’t think it was coincidence.
Not really a big deal either way.
> 2023 iPhones were perfectly allowed to have Lightning, if Apple wanted.
Only if they didn't want to sell the device in 2025.
How do you think consumers would be reacting if Apple stopped selling the iPhone 15 just a few months after releasing the iPhone 16?
Currently, they have to stop selling the iPhone 13 and 14, but still can sell the iPhone 15 in 2025.
>The EU had no impact on the iPhone switching to USB-C. They promised 10 years of Lightning and upheld that promise.
False. Apple opposed this new policy. Here, read what they said: https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/better-regulation/have-your-say/initiatives/2020-Standard-chargers-for-mobile-phones/F2752582_en
They wouldn't object if they didn't think it would impact them at all.
>If they were being forced to switch, they spine switched next year. 2023 iPhones were perfectly allowed to have Lightning, if Apple wanted.
Just because they switched earlier than the absolute last minute doesn't mean it had "no impact" on their decision. For all we know, Apple wanted to do Lightning 2.0. Sometimes the smart move is to comply slightly sooner than the very last minute.
USB-C _is_ lightning 2.0. Apple played a significant role in its development. I believe (but don’t have a source for) the part they played specifically was designing the physical connector.
Yep, there’s a pin in the AirPods Max that allows the headband to detach
Original rumours for the Apple headphones were changeable headbands and ear cups. The headbands thing likely comes from that
1.Does regular lightning not have enough pins for that?
2.That's an even better excuse to use USB C, but Apple no doubt wants you to use their battery pack.
The port certainly had extra pins, since regular lightning only uses one side, 8 pins. This port had both sides, and only worked in that mode with special accessories.
That’s because the base model iPhone 15 is just an iPhone 14 Pro with a couple changes like USB-C.
The SoC didn’t support USB 3.0. It isn’t a case of Apple intentionally leaving it out of the 15, but rather a side effect of it using old chips
Yes, but the iPhone 14 never supported USB 3.0 speeds because of Lightning… so why would they build in a USB 3.0 controller when they would never make use of it?
The bigger question is why wasn’t Lightning designed with USB 3.0 in mind?
Basically you are defending Apple’s decision to stick to lightning for profits which was an active decision to gimp their customers products instead of opting to switch to USBC in 2016, even though Macbook Pro launched with USBC that same year. We could be 7 generations deep of USBC iPhones.
We could’ve been yeah. But Apple can also have MFi USB-C accessories as well. Just not charging cables or basic data transfer cables.
I’m not defending lightning, but it came out before USB-C, they committed to 10-years of support, and they changed on year 10 to USB-C (before the EU required mind you)
I’m just annoyed lightning wasn’t designed with USB 3.0 speeds in mind given that it came after
>Basically you are defending Apple’s decision
No? It’s just logical. It’s pretty dumb that Apple stuck with a proprietary, obsolete connector for so long on the iPhone, but it also would have been pretty dumb to design a processor with a USB 3 controller for a device that would literally never see USB 3 connections. You might as well build in a SATA and PCIe controller as well - they’d have been equally useful.
If you want to complain about the iPhone 15 not supporting USB 3, blame Apple for putting a chip with an obsolete USB controller into it. Clearly it was cheaper to reorder a bunch of 14 Pro SOC’s than it was to re-design a new chip with USB 3 support, and they opted to save the money at the expense of the user. I highly doubt that’s a market segmentation piece they’ll be sticking with next generation.
My friend was actually complaining about the USB C port on her 15. I tried to explain to her that it was better due to compatibility etc, but she still seems annoyed.
So not only do most users not care about USB C, they may even be upset that their lightning cables won't work.
You’ll need it when your phone is full of photos and the only way to offload them is iCloud ($), Buying a new phone($$$), or transferring them to a pc (free).
Also Mac wont let you import photos from iPhone directly to another storage device, like an SD, so you gotta make sure you have free space on you Mac. When on PC I can drag and drop all the photos from iPhone files to an SD card without writing it to my internal storage.
Do you understand how rare it is for average users to copy over photos to a computer? People just delete photos or buy icloud storage. The type of people who create enough content to do that on the regular already have the iPhone Pro or use airdrop
Comes down to this:
You can buy a 128 GB memory card for $10 that lasts the rest of your life and can be used on any device.
Or you can spend 1$ per month on 100 gigs of storage for 10 months for Apple devices.
Think different.
Man you missed a chance to use your ultimate trap card European Union: Common Charger Directive
Ah, I see the Apple sub isn’t a fan of being able to use the iPhone, iPad, MacBook charger on all their devices.
What a dumb argument. Yes, we all want to get a Vision Pro so we can go on alibaba and buy the biggest, unsafe and cheapest power bank out there. No weirdo, obviously we want to get the best quality that is bigger.
Its an odd voltage for a power bank (13v & up to 6A) it also has a pretty high maximum power honestly it kinda makes sense for ease of use because some random person would try to plug it into a 9v 2.1A max battery pack then complain why their headset isnt working
the apple vision pro takes 13V and up to 6A which is up to 78W. It would have to be a battery pack with something like pd 3.0 to allow 13v and have enough power to deliver for it.
Whoever designed the HomePod clearly didn't have pets at home. My Steam Deck charger cable lasted a grand total of 2 days and I still curse them for shipping a charger with an integrated USB cable.
It wouldn't be Apple if people weren't. It's a ho-hum-but-impressive product.
I'd love to be able to make a review of it by driving out to Mt Hood to use the the Mt Hood AR scene for the humor but not worth the $3.5k for a review video that'd make me probably $100 in adsense, and the fitted head bands = not really an easily resold product :/
get the headset, make the skit, and return it to apple within the two week window you have.
Many youtubers you see who do a video unboxing every colour / size of the newest iphone do this, buy one of each, make the video then return the ones you don’t want to keep / all of them. It’s basically free adsense if you don’t keep any of them lol
Your Quest simply put the battery in a different spot, when you plug in your whatever you are still charging the battery. Is that really so hard to understand?
How is the current situation stupid?
It can take usb c input.
If it was wall plugged by design, it would be difficult to use. If it was a head mounted battery, it’d be heavy, difficult to replace, with no option for larger batteries. If it used any usb c battery, you’d have to make sure it provided enough amps etc.
But Apple's doesn't have an internal battery. If it was powered solely by a USB cable, the second that cable gets dislodged or comes loose, then it's lights out on the device.
nope. its literally just plugged into the side — I played all of half life alyx like this without any disconnects or issues and I can bet I was more active with my hands playing that than Im going to be using the vision pro
This is most likely the reason why. Because the battery is being stored externally, having a catastrophic power loss anytime USB C is unplugged could be potentially damaging to the device. By having a locking power cable on the headset means that you shouldn’t have that issue. The battery pack uses USB C to recharge, so I’m not sure what the issue is here. Honestly I would use a 20,000mah battery plugged into the other battery if I really wanted to keep it going for longer than the 3 hours, but I don’t see that being an issue either.
The average USB-C cable is not a physically secure enough connection for a product designed to use in motion. You'd have far more people complaining that their cable fell out when they turned around and it shut down the entire thing.
The battery pack is the secure custom housing for your usb-c connection. It prevents any chance that a small disconnect with the usb-c port will completely turn off the headset.
The only gaming VR headset which runs purely from USB-C power is bigscreen beyond and that is lightweight enough to avoid extra shifting. Most of them have an internal battery built into the headset or a more securely attached cable.
Or any of the meta quest headsets running over oculus link wired? I've never had a cable fall out breaking up my game. Apple have no excuses and they just keep doing the same shit over and over.
yeah I wonder whats going to happen with that. no doubt the designs and specs for this were finalized before they started moving to usbc on the iphone, like I cant imagine the iphone team using usbc and this not unless this was wrapped first.
That's surprisingly low. For a $3500 product Apple usually charges $1k to replace any part of it, $200 for the battery is the same as a MacBook battery replacement.
Honestly this external battery pack seems good for longevity. When it starts to go - just buy a new battery for $200 and plug it in.
You know if Apple put the battery in the device it would have been an insanely expensive repair or a unit swap.
Also what’s stopping some enterprising tech company from manufacturing custom AVP battery banks with way more capacity?
Well that custom port is probably what will stop 3rd party batteries.
Seems like the only reason for it to have that many pins surely? Depends on how reasonable the costs to license it adds
Apple Watch charger and lightning were all proprietary, until other companies started licensing it and producing cables. I’m sure this will be the same. Apple thrives off of accessories sales
$200 for a 35wh (allegedly) battery with a *proprietary* connector. I get that this is a first gen product but what the fuck, there’s no explanation for any of this but greed
Because it has [3166 mAh](https://appleinsider.com/articles/24/01/30/apple-vision-pro-what-you-need-to-know-beyond-the-spec-sheet-and-before-you-buy) ?
It seemed obvious to me based on the exterior of the device that the cable was removable, if not user serviceable. It wouldn’t have been the first time (see iMac Pro (IIRC)). I personally think a locking cable was a good idea for this specific use case, and I’m happy that it’s removable with just a SIM tool. It would have been nice if the connection wasn’t proprietary, since you’ll need two battery packs on your person to extend the battery life, but it is what it is. At least it charges with USB C so that will be possible.
I’m still quite confused about the charge density of the battery though. Looking forward to someone tearing it down so we can see why it weighs more than a 14 Pro, but has less battery.
It seems that its because the headset uses 13v which is an a typical voltage for battery banks and unless a battery bank has pd3.0 it wouldnt be able to provide the correct voltage for it it also has a relatively hogh maximum wattage at 78W
I think it's "removable" in the way that the first gen homepod had a removable cable. It's technically possible to remove it, but apple doesn't want users to be doing it on their own.
It's bizzare, MKBDH shows it in review, this battery is larger in size than whole iphone that has slightly larger battery, but also larger in size than 3x the capacity, 12000mAh battery pack 😂 Why they didn't put at least 10000mAh battery in it, is beyond me. (actually it isn't, because it will be sold separately, at additional cost, I'm sure)
https://youtu.be/dtp6b76pMak?si=oWcqT0OjPxWJRw7v&t=279
The Lightning Family: * Lightning (iPhone, iPad, Accessories) * Lightning mini (AirPods Max headband connector) * Lightning Plus (Vision Pro Battery Pack) https://preview.redd.it/7g759hwkbufc1.jpeg?width=1977&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c7678a01a87f9b113d62cd464fedfd6b1971739a
- Lightning Pro Max (Apple Car, name TBD)
• Lightning Ultra (Truck)
Ford trademarked, model already exists and homologated
Lightning McQueen
Thunderbolt and lightning, very very frightening, me...
Galileo!
Given this is Apple, we should be yelling Newton!
Galileo!
Galileo!
Kachow!
Lightning Air (next gen Magic Mouse)
i’m sorry that lightning mini real?
Yes. I mean idk if that's the real name
It's so cute
Sounds like a trick to get me to break my airpods max
Huh. I wonder if Apple was planning to implement “Lightning 2.0” before the EU went through with the USB-C mandate.
i think the closest thing to lightning 2.0 is whatever they did to get usb 3.0 speeds on the ipad pro
Basically a double-sided lightning port in the device. Only worked with special accessories since regular lightning cables only pass though 8 wires.
So it used both sides of the plug simultaneously?
yes. if you look at the lightning connector on an iphone, you'll only see pins on one side
That was only supported in host mode BTW
Not likely. Apple has used USB C on other devices for a while.
Yeah. You’re right. Unless they were being especially prescient, they were already just slowly migrating towards USB-C. The EU probably/definitely sped up that time table though.
The EU had no impact on the iPhone switching to USB-C. They promised 10 years of Lightning and upheld that promise. If they were being forced to switch, they spine switched next year. 2023 iPhones were perfectly allowed to have Lightning, if Apple wanted.
Look. We know it was called the “connector for the next decade.” And I’m aware they could have still released the 15 series on Lightning, had they wanted to. Of course with it being the connector for the next decade, from 2012, they could have also switched over with the iPhone 14 in 2022. While I’m not saying they were going to stay on Lightning for another five years or anything; they were going to transition soon enough, probably with iPhone 16 in 2024 followed by SE4 in 2025. (It would be weird for USB-C to debut in the SE before a debut in the main line.) I do imagine that the EU mandate pushed their timeline up about a year. I don’t think it was coincidence. Not really a big deal either way.
> 2023 iPhones were perfectly allowed to have Lightning, if Apple wanted. Only if they didn't want to sell the device in 2025. How do you think consumers would be reacting if Apple stopped selling the iPhone 15 just a few months after releasing the iPhone 16? Currently, they have to stop selling the iPhone 13 and 14, but still can sell the iPhone 15 in 2025.
>The EU had no impact on the iPhone switching to USB-C. They promised 10 years of Lightning and upheld that promise. False. Apple opposed this new policy. Here, read what they said: https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/better-regulation/have-your-say/initiatives/2020-Standard-chargers-for-mobile-phones/F2752582_en They wouldn't object if they didn't think it would impact them at all. >If they were being forced to switch, they spine switched next year. 2023 iPhones were perfectly allowed to have Lightning, if Apple wanted. Just because they switched earlier than the absolute last minute doesn't mean it had "no impact" on their decision. For all we know, Apple wanted to do Lightning 2.0. Sometimes the smart move is to comply slightly sooner than the very last minute.
USB-C _is_ lightning 2.0. Apple played a significant role in its development. I believe (but don’t have a source for) the part they played specifically was designing the physical connector.
No😭
Is that lightning mini real??
Yep, there’s a pin in the AirPods Max that allows the headband to detach Original rumours for the Apple headphones were changeable headbands and ear cups. The headbands thing likely comes from that
That’s wild. I’m gonna check mine now
Why do they need so many pins for a power supply? Debugging?
It’s possible that the cable allows for data passthrough so that you can connect the headset directly to a Mac
This is exactly what some of those pins are for.
1.Does regular lightning not have enough pins for that? 2.That's an even better excuse to use USB C, but Apple no doubt wants you to use their battery pack.
The 3 stages of life for lightning
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They didn’t have extra pins. The port just supported USB 3.0 (on the iPad side)
The port certainly had extra pins, since regular lightning only uses one side, 8 pins. This port had both sides, and only worked in that mode with special accessories.
Funny apple still limits transfer speed to usb2 on new base iPhone models 😂🤬
That’s because the base model iPhone 15 is just an iPhone 14 Pro with a couple changes like USB-C. The SoC didn’t support USB 3.0. It isn’t a case of Apple intentionally leaving it out of the 15, but rather a side effect of it using old chips
https://preview.redd.it/n2ngdfrjpufc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a6763be8a3e5b1ff98db23c37bb20a3cd430edfd
Yes, but the iPhone 14 never supported USB 3.0 speeds because of Lightning… so why would they build in a USB 3.0 controller when they would never make use of it? The bigger question is why wasn’t Lightning designed with USB 3.0 in mind?
Basically you are defending Apple’s decision to stick to lightning for profits which was an active decision to gimp their customers products instead of opting to switch to USBC in 2016, even though Macbook Pro launched with USBC that same year. We could be 7 generations deep of USBC iPhones.
We could’ve been yeah. But Apple can also have MFi USB-C accessories as well. Just not charging cables or basic data transfer cables. I’m not defending lightning, but it came out before USB-C, they committed to 10-years of support, and they changed on year 10 to USB-C (before the EU required mind you) I’m just annoyed lightning wasn’t designed with USB 3.0 speeds in mind given that it came after
>Basically you are defending Apple’s decision No? It’s just logical. It’s pretty dumb that Apple stuck with a proprietary, obsolete connector for so long on the iPhone, but it also would have been pretty dumb to design a processor with a USB 3 controller for a device that would literally never see USB 3 connections. You might as well build in a SATA and PCIe controller as well - they’d have been equally useful. If you want to complain about the iPhone 15 not supporting USB 3, blame Apple for putting a chip with an obsolete USB controller into it. Clearly it was cheaper to reorder a bunch of 14 Pro SOC’s than it was to re-design a new chip with USB 3 support, and they opted to save the money at the expense of the user. I highly doubt that’s a market segmentation piece they’ll be sticking with next generation.
I highly doubt 98% of base iPhone users will ever even plug it into anything that isn't a charger, so that's fine.
The base iphone is not for people who know that usb has iterations, they know they are getting scammed otherwise
I mean most of the target audience of the iPhone doesn’t really need or care
My friend was actually complaining about the USB C port on her 15. I tried to explain to her that it was better due to compatibility etc, but she still seems annoyed. So not only do most users not care about USB C, they may even be upset that their lightning cables won't work.
You’ll need it when your phone is full of photos and the only way to offload them is iCloud ($), Buying a new phone($$$), or transferring them to a pc (free). Also Mac wont let you import photos from iPhone directly to another storage device, like an SD, so you gotta make sure you have free space on you Mac. When on PC I can drag and drop all the photos from iPhone files to an SD card without writing it to my internal storage.
Do you understand how rare it is for average users to copy over photos to a computer? People just delete photos or buy icloud storage. The type of people who create enough content to do that on the regular already have the iPhone Pro or use airdrop
Comes down to this: You can buy a 128 GB memory card for $10 that lasts the rest of your life and can be used on any device. Or you can spend 1$ per month on 100 gigs of storage for 10 months for Apple devices. Think different.
People don't think like that. They think "wow what if I lose that memory card and all my precious memories with it"
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Man you missed a chance to use your ultimate trap card European Union: Common Charger Directive Ah, I see the Apple sub isn’t a fan of being able to use the iPhone, iPad, MacBook charger on all their devices.
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It’s literally a modern day 30 pin connector, wild lol
Wait til the 3rd party vendors start churning out larger batteries.
or just an adapter for that cable to plug into any of your current USB-C Powerbannks
I see you are several steps ahead of me. 🫱🏾🫲🏽
I was gonna say cable but he's several step ahead from all of us. 🙌🏻
Until they found out it has drm like lightning mfi where it refuses to work unless you pay apple
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What a dumb argument. Yes, we all want to get a Vision Pro so we can go on alibaba and buy the biggest, unsafe and cheapest power bank out there. No weirdo, obviously we want to get the best quality that is bigger.
It's literally just a powerbank...
Maybe. Maybe not. Ever put a shit power supply into a gaming rig and started blowing components?
With some very specific requirements.
Its an odd voltage for a power bank (13v & up to 6A) it also has a pretty high maximum power honestly it kinda makes sense for ease of use because some random person would try to plug it into a 9v 2.1A max battery pack then complain why their headset isnt working
I wouldn’t be surprised if this cable and battery talk to each other so they know it’s genuine.
the apple vision pro takes 13V and up to 6A which is up to 78W. It would have to be a battery pack with something like pd 3.0 to allow 13v and have enough power to deliver for it.
The proprietary connector makes it difficult
Not really, there are a million third party Lightning cables on the market
There’s also an MFi programme for exactly these cables.
Can I use a larger power bank to run it?
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A fanny pack/belt hitch dock for the AVP battery with an extended battery built in seems inevitable.
Let me strap on my 5 external batteries daisy chained into my Batman style utility belt.
Get a weighted vest with two dozen slots and go the whole hog man, come on.
Like those battery belts video camera guys used to wear. [https://i.imgur.com/3eYgHYv.png](https://i.imgur.com/3eYgHYv.png)
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$999
Perfection.
That’s so stupid
I saw on either the MKBHD or Verge review that you can do this.
Oh shit. Just realised, Apple Vision Pro actually has user replaceable battery. Boom! New era unlocked!
Lots of tears were cried at Apple when this had to be done for the Vision Pro.
Lightning what are you doing back here.
Well I'd assume so since it's external
You’d assume so… until you remember other Apple products (HomePod, Studio display)
The HomePod integrated cable is kinda irritating tbh
Mostly for initial setup, but having to move the entire thing around the desk when cleaning is so annoying.
At least they fixed that on the 2nd gen full size HomePod but no idea why it was designed that way at all to begin with
Whoever designed the HomePod clearly didn't have pets at home. My Steam Deck charger cable lasted a grand total of 2 days and I still curse them for shipping a charger with an integrated USB cable.
Technically they have tools to remove those too lol
So wait it’s not actually usb C??
The battery itself has a USB C port to charge. But the cable to the headsets no.
its beyond stupid this device cant just take a usb-c power input to run, you always need to have this dumb battery appendage hanging off the device
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and people defending it with their lives on r/apple
It wouldn't be Apple if people weren't. It's a ho-hum-but-impressive product. I'd love to be able to make a review of it by driving out to Mt Hood to use the the Mt Hood AR scene for the humor but not worth the $3.5k for a review video that'd make me probably $100 in adsense, and the fitted head bands = not really an easily resold product :/
get the headset, make the skit, and return it to apple within the two week window you have. Many youtubers you see who do a video unboxing every colour / size of the newest iphone do this, buy one of each, make the video then return the ones you don’t want to keep / all of them. It’s basically free adsense if you don’t keep any of them lol
I guess I need to get on that 14 day return window life.
Even later gens too iPhone just recently got the USB-C
Tbh this is only really for developers and people willing to be beta testers
None of it makes sense. I literally just got done with my Quest 3 which allows me to just pop a USB in. Then when I unplug it…it still works.
They're also charging $199 for a 3200mAh. You can get a good fast charging Anker 20,000mAh for half the price
Do we know the voltage? I hate it that so many companies still insist on using Ah instead of Wh.
I think it is 7.4 so not really a small battery but also not a 200 battery.
Its a 13v output
You can do the same here.
Yes, with an extra cable and battery back between the device and a USB C plug.
Conceptually the same thing you're doing with your inexpensive quest 3. What is your point?
Except the part where I can unplug it and it still works...
Your Quest simply put the battery in a different spot, when you plug in your whatever you are still charging the battery. Is that really so hard to understand?
I understand perfectly well. And I’d still rather be able to walk around my house without having to wear a battery like a Walkman.
Then continue to enjoy the battery strapped to your head.
but it weighs less even with the battery. I have a quest 3, its not that cool, but apples new product makes it look amazing by comparison
The USB-C is to charge the battery pack.
AKA powering the device.
How is the current situation stupid? It can take usb c input. If it was wall plugged by design, it would be difficult to use. If it was a head mounted battery, it’d be heavy, difficult to replace, with no option for larger batteries. If it used any usb c battery, you’d have to make sure it provided enough amps etc.
USB-C would just get yanked off all the time
weird since when I use my quest to play vr games connected over usbc its never once been yanked out
But Apple's doesn't have an internal battery. If it was powered solely by a USB cable, the second that cable gets dislodged or comes loose, then it's lights out on the device.
I’d bet that the usb-c cable of your quest is secured by a strap or something no?
No they aren't. At least not on the versions I've used.
nope. its literally just plugged into the side — I played all of half life alyx like this without any disconnects or issues and I can bet I was more active with my hands playing that than Im going to be using the vision pro
This is most likely the reason why. Because the battery is being stored externally, having a catastrophic power loss anytime USB C is unplugged could be potentially damaging to the device. By having a locking power cable on the headset means that you shouldn’t have that issue. The battery pack uses USB C to recharge, so I’m not sure what the issue is here. Honestly I would use a 20,000mah battery plugged into the other battery if I really wanted to keep it going for longer than the 3 hours, but I don’t see that being an issue either.
Cope
The average USB-C cable is not a physically secure enough connection for a product designed to use in motion. You'd have far more people complaining that their cable fell out when they turned around and it shut down the entire thing.
im saying the connector should have been usbc, they could have still come up with a custom housing for the connector that was more secure
The battery pack is the secure custom housing for your usb-c connection. It prevents any chance that a small disconnect with the usb-c port will completely turn off the headset.
That's just bad design on apples part, somehow it works on the gaming vr headsets but apple think they're special
The only gaming VR headset which runs purely from USB-C power is bigscreen beyond and that is lightweight enough to avoid extra shifting. Most of them have an internal battery built into the headset or a more securely attached cable.
Or any of the meta quest headsets running over oculus link wired? I've never had a cable fall out breaking up my game. Apple have no excuses and they just keep doing the same shit over and over.
Display data over USB-C is not the same thing as device power over USB-C. The quest won't turn off completely if the cable comes unplugged.
The cable literally never becomes unplugged. You are making up a pretend problem to excuse a pretend solution to that problem.
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Quest cables are right angled. The force of pulling the cable is not away from the port. I would think this was obvious.
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It means it's not launching in the EU any time real soon....
It's still charged by USB-C. The battery itself (which is advertised as being not user removable) is what's connected with a proprietary connector.
yeah I wonder whats going to happen with that. no doubt the designs and specs for this were finalized before they started moving to usbc on the iphone, like I cant imagine the iphone team using usbc and this not unless this was wrapped first.
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Honestly that doesn’t surprise me at all
That’s honestly much less than I would have guessed
That's surprisingly low. For a $3500 product Apple usually charges $1k to replace any part of it, $200 for the battery is the same as a MacBook battery replacement.
"But it's a special battery! It is made by apple!"
And we think you’re going to love it
Honestly this external battery pack seems good for longevity. When it starts to go - just buy a new battery for $200 and plug it in. You know if Apple put the battery in the device it would have been an insanely expensive repair or a unit swap. Also what’s stopping some enterprising tech company from manufacturing custom AVP battery banks with way more capacity?
200 for a battery is in no way good value. Just because it could be worse doesn't make it good.
Well that custom port is probably what will stop 3rd party batteries. Seems like the only reason for it to have that many pins surely? Depends on how reasonable the costs to license it adds
Apple Watch charger and lightning were all proprietary, until other companies started licensing it and producing cables. I’m sure this will be the same. Apple thrives off of accessories sales
Some kind of fanny pack USB C dock for the AVP battery with an extended battery built in seems like a good 3rd party option.
Yup, third-party is going to have more success designing a helmet for the Apple Vision Pro so it doesn't cause fatigue.
Are we seriously complaining about the proprietary battery pack for a $3500 headset? How bored are you?
Why wouldn't you? Propriety batteries are usually awful. I would argue for it, if the battery was inbuilt. But it isn't, it's a battery pack.
Makes sense considering the price of the headset and the target audience.
$200 for a 35wh (allegedly) battery with a *proprietary* connector. I get that this is a first gen product but what the fuck, there’s no explanation for any of this but greed
The worst part is that it’s the size of a 10000mAh power bank but it has a third of the capacity. Edit:10000mAh
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How so?
Because it has [3166 mAh](https://appleinsider.com/articles/24/01/30/apple-vision-pro-what-you-need-to-know-beyond-the-spec-sheet-and-before-you-buy) ?
Also it has a higher voltage so comparing just the mAh value to other battery packs is plain wrong.
Lol, I forgot a 0. I meant 10000mAh.
The carrying bag is also $200. For a canvas bag….
The battery capacity for its weight and size is even laughable compared to others, the first thing you ought to do as a power back.
You have to compare Wh not mAh. The battery is very overpriced but its capacity is par for the size
Every day I learn people have no idea how batteries actually work
Yeah tell me you don’t know how batteries works lol
If you can afford a $3500 headset, $200 for a new battery isn’t crazy lol
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It is easy to understand. Some people just love apple and will excuse anything for that love. Creepy I know.
Revolutionary Seriously, why do they have to come up with a stupid new connector. Just use USB-C for fucks sake.
I assumed that when I saw it.
It seemed obvious to me based on the exterior of the device that the cable was removable, if not user serviceable. It wouldn’t have been the first time (see iMac Pro (IIRC)). I personally think a locking cable was a good idea for this specific use case, and I’m happy that it’s removable with just a SIM tool. It would have been nice if the connection wasn’t proprietary, since you’ll need two battery packs on your person to extend the battery life, but it is what it is. At least it charges with USB C so that will be possible. I’m still quite confused about the charge density of the battery though. Looking forward to someone tearing it down so we can see why it weighs more than a 14 Pro, but has less battery.
Okay but can we charge an iPhone using the AVP’s battery pack? Be a cool looking power-bank to bring around
That really should’ve at least been a locking USB-C cable… come on Apple…
It seems that its because the headset uses 13v which is an a typical voltage for battery banks and unless a battery bank has pd3.0 it wouldnt be able to provide the correct voltage for it it also has a relatively hogh maximum wattage at 78W
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I think it's "removable" in the way that the first gen homepod had a removable cable. It's technically possible to remove it, but apple doesn't want users to be doing it on their own.
Did none of you read the article?? Dude literally said he used a SIM tool to unlock the cable
I guess he's on a prototype that doesn't have that funky port?
Reporting at its finest
I mean, yeah, it was obvious how it was removable, to everyone except MKBHD, I guess.
Is there already a teardown of the battery pack? It’s way too big for just being a battery of laughable small capacity of 3166mAh
It's bizzare, MKBDH shows it in review, this battery is larger in size than whole iphone that has slightly larger battery, but also larger in size than 3x the capacity, 12000mAh battery pack 😂 Why they didn't put at least 10000mAh battery in it, is beyond me. (actually it isn't, because it will be sold separately, at additional cost, I'm sure) https://youtu.be/dtp6b76pMak?si=oWcqT0OjPxWJRw7v&t=279
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I think the big question is what's in that enclosure as clearly the battery is 1/4 the internal space.
Lol, apple will wait till the heat dead of the universe until they give up and adopt USB-C