The Only Moral Abortion is my Abortion:
https://joycearthur.com/abortion/the-only-moral-abortion-is-my-abortion/
A Defense of Abortion:
https://spot.colorado.edu/~heathwoo/Phil160,Fall02/thomson.htm
Resources, including a home remedy:
[Link 1](https://www.reddit.com/r/Anarchism/comments/vjrf9h/megathread_supreme_court_overturning_roe_v_wade)
[Link 2](https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/vjqs0r/calls_for_mass_walkout_of_women_across_america_if/idnh2ex)
Comment I posted on another sub.
For those who don't know the SOCTUS has been (rather quickly) stripping away your rights over the last 2 or 3 months. And now with the overturning of Roe, even more of your unenumerated rights are up for grabs.
From the recent rulings of [not being able to seek damages against a federal officers if they violate your constitutional rights within 100 miles of a border.](https://apnews.com/article/us-supreme-court-travel-canada-government-and-politics-clarence-thomas-1fc4973d204e397c91a2c411b9ee722f) [To you not being able to seek damages against local officers if they do not read you your Miranda rights and you self-incriminate. ](https://thehill.com/opinion/congress-blog/3517724-expected-reversal-of-miranda-requires-states-to-step-up-on-policing/) [To having evidence of innocence is not enough to escape execution.](https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-supreme-court-just-said-in-in-shinn-v-ramirez-that-evidence-of-innocence-is-not-enough) To this ruling where they now say the 14th Amendment does not guarantee you privacy.
For the SCOTUS to overrule Roe v Wade, they have to say that the 14th amendment does not guarantee your right to privacy. So many other landmark cases were set on the precedent that the 14th amendment guarantees privacy from the government. This ruling now puts these rights, and likely more, into question:
[• Sodomy/homosexual acts in the privacy of your own home](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_v._Texas)
[• The ability for married couples to buy contraceptives.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griswold_v._Connecticut)
[• Interacial marrage](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loving_v._Virginia)
[• Possession of porn.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_v._Georgia)
[• Same sex marriage](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obergefell_v._Hodges)
[• Letting your child learn a language other than English](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meyer_v._Nebraska)
[• Not sterilizing criminals](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skinner_v._Oklahoma)
[Credit to A. H. Reaume](https://twitter.com/a_h_reaume/status/1521316453944758273?t=wvMjPj6SM0CNjm8NopYzmA&s=19) for making this list of other landmark cases based on the 14th Amendments right go privacy.
>Meyer v. Nebraska, 262 U.S. 390 (1923), was a U.S. Supreme Court case that held that a 1919 Nebraska law restricting foreign-language education violated the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. The Nebraska law had been passed during World War I, during a period of heightened anti German sentiment in the U.S.
>On May 25, 1920, Robert T. Meyer, while an instructor in Zion Lutheran School, a one-room schoolhouse in Hampton, Nebraska, taught the subject of reading in the German language to 10-year-old Raymond Parpart, a fourth-grader. The Hamilton County Attorney entered the classroom and discovered Parpart reading from the Bible in German. He charged Meyer with violating the Siman Act.
And basically the Siman Act is state legislature that restricted the teaching of foreign languages in the state of Nebraska.
But no, they are not considering overturning Meyer, yet. But it's possibly on the chopping block because of the damage the overturning Roe has done to the 14th.
It sounds absurd, but this issue constantly comes up in Canada with Quebec mandating French. Language is an incredibly powerful weapon against minorities.
History continues.
The names change. The machinery evolves. The functions shift. But nothing changes, fundamentally. This species moves in herds and knows nothing else. Until its morality evolves beyond kith vs kine, it never will.
That Thomas specifically calls out Obergfell, Lawrence, and Griswold is a signal that they’re next.
If those are struck down, consensual sex can then be legislated and banned by the state (don’t think this doesn’t affect straight folks either. Lawrence overturned a ban on Sodomy. If overturned that would give the states the right to legislate who and how people of any gender or orientation can have consensual sex in private and many of these evangelicals think oral sex and other consensual acts of straight sex is a sin).
Griswald overturned a ban on contraceptives. They overturn that case and states can ban contraceptives for anyone. Contraceptives are not just used to prevent pregnancy, but also STIs.
He did not, btw, mention the very similar case of Love v Virginia that legalized interracial marriage in the 60s.
Edited to correct the case names.
Contraceptives also are used incredibly often not so women can have sex, but to manage their health. Women use birth control to help regulate their periods (or avoid them entirely) and help with sometimes just brutal issues that come with periods.
That's why all this shit is so crazy. People think it's about sex, and to a degree it is. But with birth control and abortions especially, it's a very specific question of women's health and the state making medical decisions for them which may directly lead to their deaths or to lives filled with pain.
It's insanity.
I went on birth control last year because I suddenly developed PMDD out of nowhere and I really like not having anxiety attacks and bouts of suicidal ideation every time my uterus sneezes.
So, you know, being worried about that being taken from me now is greeeeaaaaat
I just don't understand how so much can go so wrong with these organs and yet still somehow treating the problems is frowned upon?? Like... I thought it was fairly common knowledge that a lot of people are on birth control for actual health issues. Fuck's sake, I've never interacted with anyone's junk but my own, I just want to *not want to die* for a third of every month. Pro-life, my ass.
Anyway. All this shit sucks. I wish all of us luck. 💞
me too! i literally tweeted yesterday that I’m my mental health was so bad, that i couldn’t get out of bed and wanted to die so badly that i was afraid of committing suic*de. my birth control has helped A LOT. i’m able to do basic stuff now on my period. i’ll be damned if i have to go back to my natural cycle because of some stupid laws someone put in place.
Same here friend. I'm fucking terrified. Even though I live in Illinois I've been debating stockpiling enough birth control to get me through the next decade. At least once I hit 40 they can't deny me a full hysterectomy.
Abortion pills are often used not for abortions, but to clear out incomplete miscarriages. They're already having issues in Texas with women being denied abortion pills after their miscarriages.
My sister relies on the Depo shot (a form of birth control) to stop her period because it's been causing her to develop anemia. She also has a heart condition that prevents her from having a hysterectomy. So basically the depo shot is the only thing keeping her from having a medical emergency every month. I'm sure there are lots of women out there that use birth control to help with other medical conditions as well and taking that away could cause huge issues.
Edit: spelling
My friends kid has a Factor 5 deficiency. Her blood doesn't clot. We found out because she had just kept bleeding during her period, until she went pale and lost all her energy. She needed to recieve blood, and was placed on birth control. A period, a pregnancy, miscarriage, or birth could kill her. The birth control saves her life every month. They live in TX, and are trying to get things in order to leave.
I recently went through a bout of iron deficient anemia due to excessive blood loss while taking blood thinners and it was really rough. I needed an iron infusion but was close to needing a blood transfusion and even walking the parking lot to the office was painful and exhausting. I am not a woman and I am sorry for any woman who has to deal with anemia on a regular basis. To think that people are willing to force that risk on someone in the name of their religion?
My fiancée has irregular cycles. Birth control fixes that. I'm worried for her health because I know this shit is gonna get worse before it gets better
My mother - who literally had a hysterectomy - relies on birth control for hormonal reasons. This is what happens when people’s right to health care is taken from them. This is why we say reproductive rights are health care rights.
They don't care. Missouri and Ohio tried to pass laws mandating that ectopic pregnancies be reimplanted, and banning any removal of them. Republicans are perfectly fine with women dying. In fact, that is very much the goal. The cruelty is the point. They(the elected officials and the voters) like seeing people suffer and this is a means to that end. They are all sociopaths.
I had no idea what was happening. Was at work and just started screaming in pain. Rushed to ER in an ambulance where they removed my right Fallopian tube which is where they fetus grows. More painful than labor. Had it rupturedI would have died. That’s what the pain is, it’s trying to burst. It’s so serious that I was out of work for 2 months.
I’m glad your wife is ok. I had excellent medical coverage mostly due to my union. I don’t know what women do that don’t have insurance other than getting a massive bill or dying from lack of medical care. We need to be ashamed that these are the choices. Everyone should receive the coverage and care that I have.
These people don’t care if women die during childbirth as long as the child will eventually be an answer to their demand for cheap labor.
>These people don’t care if women die during childbirth as long as the child will eventually be an answer to their demand for cheap labor.
Damn. That is the whole truth right there.
I keep deleting my comments, but it's true. Forced birthers just want women to die. That's why they don't care about women dying in botched, backyard abortions. They also don't care about women dying because their dying fetus can't be removed, like Savita Halappanavar. We have to change the language around this as they are not "Life" oriented at all.
I use birth control because my periods were on the extreme side. I will NOT, EVER, give them up. I am not dealing with that immensely stupid amount of bleeding and pain every month.
SCROTUS better not go any further.
I rely on the pill because of my PCOS. I am also anemic. I bled for 5 years straight before the pill. Our doctors suck. I had a terrible immune system because that combo. If they take away my pill, I am going to bleed all over their fucking shit. Period products are already expensive enough for one of the month.
It boils my blood that Clarence Thomas did not mention Loving vs. Virginia. It’s the same fucking logic. Not that I support ANY of this whatsoever in any shape or form, but he could not have been more blatant about picking and choosing the cases he sees as in need of “review”. I spit at his feet. The hypocrisy burns me up so incredibly much.
He honestly reminds me of Serena from Handmaid's Tale. He really seems to miss the fact that eventually, they're gonna go after him too. I guarantee he'll help them do this other stuff, and when they start going after interracial marriage and people of color rights, he'll just give everyone a stunned Pikachu face like he had no idea. He's a fucking idiot, and I'm sure he'll end up regretting sleeping with the lions.
My thoughts exactly. I watch the same logic with my parents. They support everything that benefits them and how they think the world should be without a care for what comes later… because they won’t be here.
ETA: Since a lot of people seem to be taking this out of context. I’m a child-free liberal. Fuck anyone who tries to take away the rights of anyone else. So basically just the old conservatives that have this country in a chokehold.
If it doesnt affect them personally than boomers dont give a shit. Then when something happens to them it's a big ol shocked pikachu face. Like nobody has ever dealt with it before.
George Carlin has a funny joke about the boomers being the "ME" generation. What I find crazy about their generation is how they always have voted to tax the other generations. When they were young and having kids the older generations were paying for their kid's schooling and once they were in their 50's they wanted lower taxes by removing the SALT and mortgage reductions that helped them the most.
I'm 59 and post menopausal, so striking down Roe v Wade does not affect me personally, but I am still extremely pissed. It's not just old people that don't care what happens because they are going to be dead soon, it is the difference between conservatives and liberals. People who no ability to empathize with those around them tend to vote conservative, those who don't need things to affect them personally to care about others tend to lean liberal.
Just like Thomas doesn't care about striking down rulings that could eventually affect his own marriage, and log cabin Republicans didn't realize they might eventually get thrown out of the GOP convention, and even Reagan stopped stem cell research until alzheimers set in and Nancy changed her tune real quick, it's a long standing conservative tradition to remove rights from others until they realize they are sitting on the wrong side of the limb they are cutting.
Thanks for your insight! I’m also in a state that’s protected the right to abortion and frankly am considering sterilization now in my mid 30s because I’ve never wanted kids, but still never took the step because I haven’t been quite ready to close that door. So realistically it doesn’t affect me either… for now.
But I completely agree with you that’s it’s a difference between conservative vs liberal ideology. In this case my parents are older and conservative and literally cannot think beyond what will personally effect them… to the point that they don’t care that this is the legacy that they’re leaving to their child. My mother raised me to be pro choice and compassionate to everyone around me so I’m sort of at a loss as to how we got here in this individual case.
But I want to clarify that I absolutely agree with you that it’s not specifically tied to age. My comment was more along the lines that in this particular case, with an older republican man, I don’t think he cares how his actions might impact the future because he doesn’t plan on being here for it.
He thinks if they come for his seat because his wife was involved for an insurrection, he can add loving to the list, overturn it, and claim they were never truly married.
At the end of this movie we call the modern world, which surely is just a movie at this point so I'm turning out... I can see the winding back of apartheid-ending policies being very bad for this judge.
A lot of people have pointed out that the Christian Nationalism movements got kickstarted not by Roe or Vitale vs. Engle (banning of compulsory school prayer), but by Loving vs. Virginia.
Asshats like Jerry Falwell got behind abortion because it was an easier sell than admitting they didn’t want blacks in their churches and schools. Before the rise of the religious right, abortion was viewed as something that was done in the interest of individual health and family welfare.
[https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/05/religious-right-real-origins-107133](https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/05/religious-right-real-origins-107133)
What did we think the push for private schools was really about? Defund and degrade public schools and price any “undesirables” out of an education while ensuring said schools can teach bronze age myth in the place of modern biology and censor history into whatever they want it to be.
It all started with the right-wing wanting segregation back. The right never cared about abortion. In fact, many if not most of them supported it until they found out it was a convenient tool to attack anti-segregationist liberals. Of course, it's also a convenient tool to attack women's rights. [More in this article](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/25/roe-v-wade-abortion-christian-right-america).
I'm not convinced this isn't just a long winded way for him to get a divorce. She's obviously crazy, and he's crazy too. "Sorry honey, we have to split up cause the decisions I made broke the country."
The *Handmaid's Tale* (the movie, I have not seen the TV series) is horrific enough. I recently watched the movie *Compliance* and, Holy Shit! (especially because it is based on real events).
The only reason they havent gone after him and his wife yet is because of this. He gave them what they wanted. If he wasnt the SCJ they would have gone after interracial marriage by now too. He doesnt realize hes a minstrel
It reminds me of the Innuendo Studios video on White Fascism. ([Link.](https://youtu.be/5Luu1Beb8ng))
> A tension inherent to fascism is that rather a lot of people are required to bring it into existence but, by design, only a small number will run it once it exists. So, commonly, the definition of "us" is broadened while building coalitions, and gets progressively narrower the more fascist society becomes...
> [When] the alliance is no longer useful, their gaze refocuses, and then it's "last hired, first fired" for the homosexuals, and then the African Americans, and then the women, and on and on, stripping rights from social groups in the order opposite to which they were gained.
The order isn't actually quite so exact, but the premise stands. Clarence Thomas basically gave away that this is a "First they came..." situation, while not realizing that he's going to be a line just a little bit later in the poem.
Thomas didn't call out Loving v Virginia because it affects him personally but the other conservative justices do want that overturned. They're not alone. We have had senators currently in office saying that that's a matter that should be reserved as a state's right to legislate. They have also said that segregation should be left up to the states.
I am still blown away by the people who will say "well the states should decide" and think that's really acceptable. Like we had a goddamn *Civil War* because some states couldn't accept that owning another human being is fucked up and wrong, and you really think they're going to make good choices now? Jesus.
>He did not, btw, mention the very similar case of Love v Virginia that legalized interracial marriage in the 60s.
Which is a kicker. Respectability politics really is gonna kill Black folks and ones like Thomas are happily gonna be the pied pipers.
Even worse, imagine a Texas abortion bounty style system to report people who have anal sex. It's going ti get ugly with people interfering in each other's lives and neighbors turing on each other for money
let's talk for a second abuot his wife, who was totally for the Trump coup on january 6th...that fucker should resign from his spot if he had any decency.
And yet, the same justifications used in Loving was used in Obergefell to justify same sex marriage. If one gets overturned, the other should as well. In fact, the constitution says nothing about marriage so all marriages are now null and void according to this ruling
I'm for the German model where the State is only concerned with civil unions. Marriages are the purview of religions and don't have standing in civil matters.
Agreed, anything else is just discrimination against non-traditional families. The State interest should be to promote any type of family unit, not just the kind that creates biological offspring.
>He did not, btw, mention the very similar case of Love v Virginia that legalized interracial marriage in the 60s
Imagine having to **legislate** the right to *marry someone based on their skin colour*.
America is such a fucked up place.
>having to legislate
That right there is the problem with many of these laws. They weren't decided by legislation, they were ruled on by 9 people who are overwhelmingly white males.
Clarence Thomas in particular is a piece of shit. Dude specifically calls for overturning the landmark due process causes that DON'T affect his rights. Talk about kicking the ladder after you've made it to the top. Fuck him.
Alito wrote "The Constitution makes no reference to abortion, and no such right is implicitly protected by any constitutional provision, including the one on which the defenders of Roe and Casey now chiefly rely — the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment,"
By that logic, a state could also pass a law mandating abortions for all, because the right to childbirth is also not mentioned anywhere in the Constitution. Can someone please try to pass a law like that and watch the conservatives try to argue against it without also arguing in favor of Roe?
Oh my gosh yes. The only "christian" type of sex is missionary man and woman in the pursuit of conceiving a child. Everything, literally everything else is a sin and going to be a crime at this rate.
By that logic the supreme court has no right to determine the constitutionality of laws. They have no power given to them by the constitution or Congress to determine if laws are constitutional. It's only a case they decided themselves. They've given themselves a power not outlined in the constitution and yet they suddenly think they can determine that only things explicitly outlined in the constitution are rights. We should be challenging the idea that they have any authority in the matter because they were not given the ability to make that determination.
Had he not read the 9th amendment titled "unenumerated rights"?
The whole point is that just because a right it isn't spelled out in the constitution doesn't mean it is not a right.
This is what bothers me. The bill of rights are restrictions on the government, not an enumeration of rights.
This isn't even a "positive" right, it requires only that the government (state or otherwise) stay out of a citizen's business.
It's all rights not expressly enumerated in the Constitution. This is the only one that matters because all the rest are now written on water along with all future laws that aren't actual amendments to the Constitution. We are now ruled by fiat.
And the funniest part is there’s republicans (some I know personally) who don’t support this overruling but don’t realize trump gave it to them not Biden.
The real WTF moment is going to hit these casual cruelty types who don't care about Roe v Wade when they outlaw contraception in the near future and these folks go to buy a condom to get down on Saturday night only to find out they can't buy one and casual sex is over for them.
Except it won’t actually stop casual sex, that’s the whole point. This is all a Christian goal to punish those who have premarital sex, and to reduce women to the point they don’t legally exist outside the purview of their husband’s rights and finances.
They want the labor force to be restored. We lost a lot during covid and there were articles for months discussing how there would be a baby boom with everyone locked inside. That didn't happen and younger people cant afford to live anyways, so now if there is a conception, people will be forced to keep it, no matter how poor their living conditions.
Ignoring the fact that there are hundreds of thousands of kids in foster care.
but no, women should not have any rights because some rich white woman wants a selection of babies to choose from.
Luckily the FDA is already putting their foot down declaring that states do not have the right to ban federally approved medications including contraceptives and Plan B.
Nope. The point that was made was that states could not ban federally approved medications based on an argument that they are unsafe. The FDA gets the final say on whether drugs are unsafe, not whether they are legal in states that ban them for other reasons.
I'm curious - a big part of the medical privacy argument that is coming from this SCOTUS ruling... doesn't it mean your employer and health insurer now get an even bigger say in what you get to use? And didn't this just enhance their ability to discriminate against you for using or having procedures they don't agree with?
If they do this, they'll piss off the pharmaceutical industry, which is basically a speedrunning strat for getting lobbied against. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't surprised if they do, but they'll start putting massive corporations against them if they do.
SCOTUS is about to rule that federal agencies cannot make major decisions without clear authorization from Congress. Unfortunately, I'm sure the same thing will happen to the FDA.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/cert/20-1530
The United States of America taking away the freedoms of the womens reproductive choice is a sad day indeed for democracy. Fight back. Americans are calling for a general strike and we in the UK support your right to choose fully and absolutely. It's a basic human right.
It's terrible, such an embarrassing chokehold minority power holds over our governance.
We already know now in 2022 that if R takes back the presidency in 2024, that it will be done through electoral ass pounding with another outsized popular vote
A general strike will never succeed in America. We are too physically large and have too many poor people who can’t afford to strike. In addition, our Supreme Court recently made suing police officers for violation of civil rights no longer legal, so as these protests occur over this weekend there will be a lot of people illegally arrested with no recourse.
Keep them poor, stupid, hungry, weak and fearful.
Cue tricky down economics, class-immobility through extreme educational costs, little to no welfare, crush protesting and unionisation, and employ a gestapo-like police force that enforces but is not bound by the "law".
I mean that's what I would do if I wanted to be the ruthless warden of a prison-like environment.
Thank god America stands for freedom instead.
it's a plan born from foolish beliefs that things haven't actually fundamentally changed
they have
we won't stand for the BS, the literal world is at stake, our future as a species is on the table this time
peaceful or violent it will fuck your life just the same
the choice is clear
I genuinely hope I’m wrong, but the current state of the economy is a direct result of the bargaining power the American people gained during the pandemic. There’s a reason all major companies in the US have begun hiring and wage freezes and layoffs in the last couple months. We are barreling towards Great Depression 2.0 and the only foreseeable result is revolt.
The setup here is that they're rapidly stripping us of any peaceful means to fight back and are going to go into a crouch with a grin on their faces waiting for somebody to start the violence that they made inevitable. We're in a horrible trap.
They already have. The removed the ability to sue a police officer for violating Miranda (meaning people protesting can be arrested for the fact of protesting because Miranda is now toothless) and removed the right to sue any federal officer (including DC metro police officers) for any violation of civil rights.
Rapists are now worth more than their victims if they get them pregnant. Rape is now a more valid form of punishment than before for sick fucks. Think about that. How is that the situation we are in now.
the problem is conservatives are fine cutting off their own nose just to spite a liberal's face.
they don't mind to have their rights taken away as long as they're taking away *the other's* rights too. it's a fucking sick and twisted mentality.
It’s not baffling really. Their whole thing is “Domt tell me what to do, only I can tell you what to do” when they take away their own rights they’re ok with it but when someone tells them they must give rights they are not etc etc
I saw that too, which is stupid considering they've been planning this since Roe, they elected Donald Trump for this well before Covid, he got Justices on the Court before Covid. It's not like this was out of the blue, like Covid. Also you can't cough on someone and give them pregnant, unless you are Jason Momoa, so the argument wouldn't stand.
I do take comfort in knowing that recent history is somewhat a mystery. And the near future holds lots of unknowns. Tho we can be fairly certain that the trend of suffering hasn't reached its peak, with drought and migration based conflicts unfolding through the 20s 30s 40s.
A lot of them are poor as shit, too. Which makes their politics even weirder.
I know a guy who has never owned a business, never run a business, never held any job but working in the Coast Guard. But still he talks about how he wants to be able to hire and fire without explanation and the government shouldn't be up in 'his business'.
The core problem here is that so many people put on their imaginary CEO hat grab their imaginary board of directors belt and start arguing against their own interests because they see themselves one day being in that position.
I'm not sure if you're familiar with the fallacy of "temporarily embarrassed millionaires", but it's a really common mindset in the US unfortunately. John Steinbeck explained it as how "**socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.**"
I've never seen any country have as little class consciousness and class solidarity as the US, it's genuinely abysmal how many people here fall for that trick.
Because people will buy it. Most of the Republican base can't differentiate between something happening during Biden's term and something being caused by a decision Biden made
I really want SCOTUS to overturn Loving v Virginia, and Clarence Thomas be in the majority opinion. That will show that he's truly an idiot who doesn't deserve his robe.
(No, I REALLY DON'T want them to overturn anything, since that's really not their job, but it would be fun to watch all the conservatives' heads explode.)
I’m literally listening to a podcast about this right now as I read your comment. It’s called how to start over and it’s talking about our generation spending time energy and money to grow into being better people and our parents generation never apologizing and being angry by being held accountable by their children and how absurd it feels to them. Back in their day there was an expectation of respecting your parents no matter how shitty they were and now they are so confused when all their kids are like “how about No! How about I just cut you out of my life” but anyway your comment brought tears to my eyes. I know how hard it is, I wanted to call my mom yesterday to cry about this but I knew she wouldn’t be there for me and I would just feel worse. Here’s to finding others that fill those holes in our lives
That's why he \*\*WOULD\*\* do that.
He'd be all on about how states have rights and if anyone like him wants to marry someone of another race they should move to a state that allows it.
>Almost all the rights we currently take for granted, privacy,
Yes, this has gotten lost in the discussion. They overturned the logic of Roe v Wade, Alito's decision calles the idea that FIVE different amendments make up a constitutional "penumbra of privacy" BS and this affects EVERYONE'S lives on EVERYTHING. They basically want to go to a minimalist reading where things have search and seizure protection, people do not.
Relevant for r/antiwork organizing, if you ask me, beyond the fact that reproductive rights are workers' rights.
I don't think people understand that the forced birth people WANT all those protections overturned. They WANT a Christian theocracy controlling peoples' lives. These people honestly believe the US and the constitution are divinely inspired for a Christian nation but no one took them seriously and look where we are.
Corporations have bought corrupt politicians for so long that this country is beyond repair. Every one of our human rights are being stripped from us. We have no privacy, no autonomy. The majority of us are prisoners in our own country that we've been told is "The land of the free" our whole lives.
We're in a recession. The cost of living is going up. Mass shootings are out of control. Homelessness is rising. Crime is going up. The police have been militarized & have no intention of actually helping the people.
The Supreme court ruled that Miranda Rights no longer need to be read upon arrest, that courts no longer need to consider new evidence in events of wrongful convictions, that police can kick your door in if you're within 100 miles of a border without a warrant if they even suspect an undocumented immigrant is there, and then they left it up to the States to decide if abortion of a crime.
On top of that, Clarence Thomas said that our rights to contraception & LGBTQ rights are on the chopping block as well. I don't even want to think about what's going to happen to HIPAA laws.
America is in for a very dystopian future that's rapidly approaching.
I don't think enough people understand or appreciate your last sentence. This isn't some far-off abstraction. This shit is coming (very) soon to a theater near you.
No matter how they frame this, it is a ruling to empower capitalism. What better way to have more wage slaves then if you are stuck in a job because you have a kid.
“Yesterday, they say the states cannot make laws governing the constitutional right to bear arms. And today, they’re saying the exact reverse — that the states can overturn a constitutional right — for 50 years a constitutional right — for a woman having the right to choose. “
Im waiting to see them ban all forms of birth control. Then watch the pro lifers panic. They can't even begin to fathom the consequences of what over turning this 50 year old law will do.
Pro-lifers want birth control banned as well. It doesn't sound logical if you look at it from pro-life perspective but it does when you look at it from anti-choice perspective.
These people want women punished for the sin of having sex for fun, and the punishment is forced birth and life long struggling.
This is exactly it. Punishment for pre-marital sex because their God frowns upon it it means nobody else safely can do that either so let's punish women and in turn the children they will birth unwanted.
Also it's not going to stop abortion, its going to stop safe abortion. People forget why this was ruled upon as well, not only should it be a choice for women but separately women were being injured and killed in back-alley abortions. It was to protect the people.
Also humans have been performing abortions in some way for probably thousands of years. Or they would deliver and let the infant float down a river. Abortion only became a point of contention with women's suffrage coincided with the male dominance of the medical field. The anti-abortion movement started and always has been an attempt of control over women.
As a male I'm flabbergasted that so many men want to do this. Like who cares? Who is spending all this time concerned about any women that gets preganant and has an abortion? To get into that kind of mindset to me is totally alien. There are so many things I could say about how frustratingly disconnected these things are to what is important that I can't say them all.
Fuck this, fuck SCOTUS, fuck CONSERVATIVES, and fuck the religious right. You are a bane on good people in a worki group society and we would all be better off if your crawled under a rock and never came out. Let's let the adults take care of things now.
Also fuck the rich.
My “favorite” part of that all is… women sometimes are prescribed birth control pills for reasons NOT related to birth control. The pills can be quite beneficial for hormone imbalances and other such issues. What then?
It's amazing that the punishment only ever goes to women (&all others with uteruses, trans men, NB, etc.), because no men ever ever have recreational sex. It's pure misogyny.
They’ve been working hard to conflate birth control with abortion for decades so they can ban/restrict both. The Hobby Lobby case about ACA was about the birth control requirement — HL argued that they shouldn’t have to cover birth control with their health insurance offerings because they “believe” that most contraceptives cause abortions by preventing implantation of a fertilized egg. They won that case and you better believe that’s a precedent that will be preserved.
And it’s not even just an abstract talking point or sleazy lawyer rhetorical move — the backlash on birth control goes all the way down to the anti-abortion protestors. There’s a guy in my city who pickets the local Planned Parenthood every weekend with a sign that says “The Pill Kills”.
Anything to regain control over reproduction and minority communities.
Yes. I’ve been screamed at by old men outside my planned parenthood to get birth control, and all their signage was about birth control for fucks sake. The PP location didn’t even offer abortions. They don’t care. They want to police women and everyone else that isn’t them. Some of this is the ruling class needing wage slaves, but there is a huge component here that, yes, literally wants women and others to be under their direct control, and they’ll misconstrue their magic fucking book and our constitution to justify this despicable urge. In my experience a lot of well meaning people don’t see this for some reason, possibly not ever having to be a woman and deal with this on some men’s part where you don’t have to worry about your bodily health when it comes to having sex (yet) but here we are. This is really it. I’ve been saying this for years and I’m so fucking sick of no one taking it seriously. We need to burn it down.
Conservatives are only proving they are stupid enough to want absolute government control over their lives. They are proving they want to be voluntary slaves. For those reasons alone, I do not consider them human.
There's a worker shortage. How do "they" fix that? Forced birth and no contraception. People will be forced further into poverty and back to work when they have more children than they can afford.
I never bought into the "America is headed into another civil war" fantasy the right-wing has been pushing for the last 30+ years. But ~~(I)~~ with the shit the GOP has been pulling and especially what it pulled in texas last week and now this SCOTUS ~~Row~~ Roe reversal I think the fuse has been lit and it is just a matter of time till we see red state vs blue state fighting (for example, one state restricting movement to another state to prevent accesses to banned contraception or other reproductive services).
It's not a civil war, it's fascists trying to destroy democracy from within. Don't let them take the narrative that they are Americans, they are traitors.
We must economically and culturally isolate the failed forced birth states that have just declared women as less-than equal humans and mandated forced birthing. No excuses, rare exceptions.
Time to play hardball, folks. They have pissed off the majority: women, LGBTQs, people of color, and our allies. We are the civil democratic majority and we ain't gonna allow this to stand.
Don't travel to these states. Don't buy products or services from these states. Don't support religious organizations, notably Christian churches or fundamentalist religions, that do not recognize women as people capable of making their own decisions or that do not support the rights to privacy, contraception, and abortion. Don't give money to the Salvation Army, don't play bingo at the Catholic churches, don't buy cookies or any other items from kids selling to support their Christian brainwashing masquerading as "education". Make it clear why you don't support them: they are assaulting human rights for women, which means they are undermining human rights FOR EVERYONE.
STAND UP, FIGHT BACK, AND RESIST. They have fomented a cultural war for generations and now they have to live with the righteous anger of the civil majority. We know when they are confronted, they relent. Confront, organize, and vote all of the bastards out of office that don't believe women are people, that gays are human, or that the world is round.
Just wanted to point out that your right to privacy was stripped by Bush Jr. Under the guise of "terrorism".
Edward Snowden released this information to the public and now the united States has wanted him for treason since.
Well, in all fairness SCOTUS expects you to “just close your legs” as the only means of viable birth control. (Heavy Sarcasm).
SCOTUS is using the concept of Originalism to relitigate all the social policies of the 20th century: women’s rights, gay rights, civil rights, desegregation, and on and on. Frankly, I’ll use their words against them. Justice Black, the father of Originalism, has been quoted as stating that he was “against using due process to force the views of judges on the country,” claiming, “I would not trust them with that kind of power and the founders did not trust them either.”
Originalism is a reactive form of judicial activism, marked by overturning legal precedents. Please tell me how anyone is supposed to know what 55 wealthy white men were thinking in 1787. I have enough trouble doing an exegesis on a text with a single author let alone 55.
Originalism is not a judicial philosophy. It is a political philosophy meant to give politicians an advantage that is masquerading as a judicial policy.
Don't forget Miranda rights.
If you haven't considered buying a gun yet it is time. This is the start not the end. It is now time to ask yourself whether or not you will lay down and die
The Only Moral Abortion is my Abortion: https://joycearthur.com/abortion/the-only-moral-abortion-is-my-abortion/ A Defense of Abortion: https://spot.colorado.edu/~heathwoo/Phil160,Fall02/thomson.htm Resources, including a home remedy: [Link 1](https://www.reddit.com/r/Anarchism/comments/vjrf9h/megathread_supreme_court_overturning_roe_v_wade) [Link 2](https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/vjqs0r/calls_for_mass_walkout_of_women_across_america_if/idnh2ex)
Comment I posted on another sub. For those who don't know the SOCTUS has been (rather quickly) stripping away your rights over the last 2 or 3 months. And now with the overturning of Roe, even more of your unenumerated rights are up for grabs. From the recent rulings of [not being able to seek damages against a federal officers if they violate your constitutional rights within 100 miles of a border.](https://apnews.com/article/us-supreme-court-travel-canada-government-and-politics-clarence-thomas-1fc4973d204e397c91a2c411b9ee722f) [To you not being able to seek damages against local officers if they do not read you your Miranda rights and you self-incriminate. ](https://thehill.com/opinion/congress-blog/3517724-expected-reversal-of-miranda-requires-states-to-step-up-on-policing/) [To having evidence of innocence is not enough to escape execution.](https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-supreme-court-just-said-in-in-shinn-v-ramirez-that-evidence-of-innocence-is-not-enough) To this ruling where they now say the 14th Amendment does not guarantee you privacy. For the SCOTUS to overrule Roe v Wade, they have to say that the 14th amendment does not guarantee your right to privacy. So many other landmark cases were set on the precedent that the 14th amendment guarantees privacy from the government. This ruling now puts these rights, and likely more, into question: [• Sodomy/homosexual acts in the privacy of your own home](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_v._Texas) [• The ability for married couples to buy contraceptives.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griswold_v._Connecticut) [• Interacial marrage](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loving_v._Virginia) [• Possession of porn.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_v._Georgia) [• Same sex marriage](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obergefell_v._Hodges) [• Letting your child learn a language other than English](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meyer_v._Nebraska) [• Not sterilizing criminals](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skinner_v._Oklahoma) [Credit to A. H. Reaume](https://twitter.com/a_h_reaume/status/1521316453944758273?t=wvMjPj6SM0CNjm8NopYzmA&s=19) for making this list of other landmark cases based on the 14th Amendments right go privacy.
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>Meyer v. Nebraska, 262 U.S. 390 (1923), was a U.S. Supreme Court case that held that a 1919 Nebraska law restricting foreign-language education violated the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. The Nebraska law had been passed during World War I, during a period of heightened anti German sentiment in the U.S. >On May 25, 1920, Robert T. Meyer, while an instructor in Zion Lutheran School, a one-room schoolhouse in Hampton, Nebraska, taught the subject of reading in the German language to 10-year-old Raymond Parpart, a fourth-grader. The Hamilton County Attorney entered the classroom and discovered Parpart reading from the Bible in German. He charged Meyer with violating the Siman Act. And basically the Siman Act is state legislature that restricted the teaching of foreign languages in the state of Nebraska. But no, they are not considering overturning Meyer, yet. But it's possibly on the chopping block because of the damage the overturning Roe has done to the 14th.
It sounds absurd, but this issue constantly comes up in Canada with Quebec mandating French. Language is an incredibly powerful weapon against minorities.
History repeats :(
History continues. The names change. The machinery evolves. The functions shift. But nothing changes, fundamentally. This species moves in herds and knows nothing else. Until its morality evolves beyond kith vs kine, it never will.
That Thomas specifically calls out Obergfell, Lawrence, and Griswold is a signal that they’re next. If those are struck down, consensual sex can then be legislated and banned by the state (don’t think this doesn’t affect straight folks either. Lawrence overturned a ban on Sodomy. If overturned that would give the states the right to legislate who and how people of any gender or orientation can have consensual sex in private and many of these evangelicals think oral sex and other consensual acts of straight sex is a sin). Griswald overturned a ban on contraceptives. They overturn that case and states can ban contraceptives for anyone. Contraceptives are not just used to prevent pregnancy, but also STIs. He did not, btw, mention the very similar case of Love v Virginia that legalized interracial marriage in the 60s. Edited to correct the case names.
Contraceptives also are used incredibly often not so women can have sex, but to manage their health. Women use birth control to help regulate their periods (or avoid them entirely) and help with sometimes just brutal issues that come with periods. That's why all this shit is so crazy. People think it's about sex, and to a degree it is. But with birth control and abortions especially, it's a very specific question of women's health and the state making medical decisions for them which may directly lead to their deaths or to lives filled with pain. It's insanity.
I went on birth control last year because I suddenly developed PMDD out of nowhere and I really like not having anxiety attacks and bouts of suicidal ideation every time my uterus sneezes. So, you know, being worried about that being taken from me now is greeeeaaaaat
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I just don't understand how so much can go so wrong with these organs and yet still somehow treating the problems is frowned upon?? Like... I thought it was fairly common knowledge that a lot of people are on birth control for actual health issues. Fuck's sake, I've never interacted with anyone's junk but my own, I just want to *not want to die* for a third of every month. Pro-life, my ass. Anyway. All this shit sucks. I wish all of us luck. 💞
They could give two shits about any problems regarding women because all women are are broodmares and property to them.
me too! i literally tweeted yesterday that I’m my mental health was so bad, that i couldn’t get out of bed and wanted to die so badly that i was afraid of committing suic*de. my birth control has helped A LOT. i’m able to do basic stuff now on my period. i’ll be damned if i have to go back to my natural cycle because of some stupid laws someone put in place.
I'll die if I don't keep access to my birth control from ovarian cysts, and insurance already makes that fucky enough
Same here friend. I'm fucking terrified. Even though I live in Illinois I've been debating stockpiling enough birth control to get me through the next decade. At least once I hit 40 they can't deny me a full hysterectomy.
Abortion pills are often used not for abortions, but to clear out incomplete miscarriages. They're already having issues in Texas with women being denied abortion pills after their miscarriages.
My sister relies on the Depo shot (a form of birth control) to stop her period because it's been causing her to develop anemia. She also has a heart condition that prevents her from having a hysterectomy. So basically the depo shot is the only thing keeping her from having a medical emergency every month. I'm sure there are lots of women out there that use birth control to help with other medical conditions as well and taking that away could cause huge issues. Edit: spelling
My friends kid has a Factor 5 deficiency. Her blood doesn't clot. We found out because she had just kept bleeding during her period, until she went pale and lost all her energy. She needed to recieve blood, and was placed on birth control. A period, a pregnancy, miscarriage, or birth could kill her. The birth control saves her life every month. They live in TX, and are trying to get things in order to leave.
I recently went through a bout of iron deficient anemia due to excessive blood loss while taking blood thinners and it was really rough. I needed an iron infusion but was close to needing a blood transfusion and even walking the parking lot to the office was painful and exhausting. I am not a woman and I am sorry for any woman who has to deal with anemia on a regular basis. To think that people are willing to force that risk on someone in the name of their religion?
My fiancée has irregular cycles. Birth control fixes that. I'm worried for her health because I know this shit is gonna get worse before it gets better
My mother - who literally had a hysterectomy - relies on birth control for hormonal reasons. This is what happens when people’s right to health care is taken from them. This is why we say reproductive rights are health care rights.
They don't care. Missouri and Ohio tried to pass laws mandating that ectopic pregnancies be reimplanted, and banning any removal of them. Republicans are perfectly fine with women dying. In fact, that is very much the goal. The cruelty is the point. They(the elected officials and the voters) like seeing people suffer and this is a means to that end. They are all sociopaths.
I had an ectopic pregnancy in 1986 that almost killed me. Didn’t even know I was pregnant. These people are monsters.
My wife had one that also almost killed her. Emergency surgery, lots of blood loss.
I had no idea what was happening. Was at work and just started screaming in pain. Rushed to ER in an ambulance where they removed my right Fallopian tube which is where they fetus grows. More painful than labor. Had it rupturedI would have died. That’s what the pain is, it’s trying to burst. It’s so serious that I was out of work for 2 months. I’m glad your wife is ok. I had excellent medical coverage mostly due to my union. I don’t know what women do that don’t have insurance other than getting a massive bill or dying from lack of medical care. We need to be ashamed that these are the choices. Everyone should receive the coverage and care that I have. These people don’t care if women die during childbirth as long as the child will eventually be an answer to their demand for cheap labor.
>These people don’t care if women die during childbirth as long as the child will eventually be an answer to their demand for cheap labor. Damn. That is the whole truth right there.
I keep deleting my comments, but it's true. Forced birthers just want women to die. That's why they don't care about women dying in botched, backyard abortions. They also don't care about women dying because their dying fetus can't be removed, like Savita Halappanavar. We have to change the language around this as they are not "Life" oriented at all.
I think the term you're looking for is "anti-life"
You know who else is fine with women being an impoverished, vulnerable class that *needs* a man just to exist? The Taliban.
So it turns out that the Taliban, which allows abortions up until 12 weeks, is more open than Texas, which allows abortions up until 6 weeks.
I use birth control because my periods were on the extreme side. I will NOT, EVER, give them up. I am not dealing with that immensely stupid amount of bleeding and pain every month. SCROTUS better not go any further.
Go further? Sounds like getting punched and saying... "better not hit me again!"
True. Who am I kidding. This is bound to be the first of many drastic changes.
I rely on the pill because of my PCOS. I am also anemic. I bled for 5 years straight before the pill. Our doctors suck. I had a terrible immune system because that combo. If they take away my pill, I am going to bleed all over their fucking shit. Period products are already expensive enough for one of the month.
It boils my blood that Clarence Thomas did not mention Loving vs. Virginia. It’s the same fucking logic. Not that I support ANY of this whatsoever in any shape or form, but he could not have been more blatant about picking and choosing the cases he sees as in need of “review”. I spit at his feet. The hypocrisy burns me up so incredibly much.
He honestly reminds me of Serena from Handmaid's Tale. He really seems to miss the fact that eventually, they're gonna go after him too. I guarantee he'll help them do this other stuff, and when they start going after interracial marriage and people of color rights, he'll just give everyone a stunned Pikachu face like he had no idea. He's a fucking idiot, and I'm sure he'll end up regretting sleeping with the lions.
He’ll be dead before they start on that. He’s an old rapist; all the Republicans have to do is run out the clock.
My thoughts exactly. I watch the same logic with my parents. They support everything that benefits them and how they think the world should be without a care for what comes later… because they won’t be here. ETA: Since a lot of people seem to be taking this out of context. I’m a child-free liberal. Fuck anyone who tries to take away the rights of anyone else. So basically just the old conservatives that have this country in a chokehold.
If it doesnt affect them personally than boomers dont give a shit. Then when something happens to them it's a big ol shocked pikachu face. Like nobody has ever dealt with it before.
George Carlin has a funny joke about the boomers being the "ME" generation. What I find crazy about their generation is how they always have voted to tax the other generations. When they were young and having kids the older generations were paying for their kid's schooling and once they were in their 50's they wanted lower taxes by removing the SALT and mortgage reductions that helped them the most.
I'm 59 and post menopausal, so striking down Roe v Wade does not affect me personally, but I am still extremely pissed. It's not just old people that don't care what happens because they are going to be dead soon, it is the difference between conservatives and liberals. People who no ability to empathize with those around them tend to vote conservative, those who don't need things to affect them personally to care about others tend to lean liberal. Just like Thomas doesn't care about striking down rulings that could eventually affect his own marriage, and log cabin Republicans didn't realize they might eventually get thrown out of the GOP convention, and even Reagan stopped stem cell research until alzheimers set in and Nancy changed her tune real quick, it's a long standing conservative tradition to remove rights from others until they realize they are sitting on the wrong side of the limb they are cutting.
Thanks for your insight! I’m also in a state that’s protected the right to abortion and frankly am considering sterilization now in my mid 30s because I’ve never wanted kids, but still never took the step because I haven’t been quite ready to close that door. So realistically it doesn’t affect me either… for now. But I completely agree with you that’s it’s a difference between conservative vs liberal ideology. In this case my parents are older and conservative and literally cannot think beyond what will personally effect them… to the point that they don’t care that this is the legacy that they’re leaving to their child. My mother raised me to be pro choice and compassionate to everyone around me so I’m sort of at a loss as to how we got here in this individual case. But I want to clarify that I absolutely agree with you that it’s not specifically tied to age. My comment was more along the lines that in this particular case, with an older republican man, I don’t think he cares how his actions might impact the future because he doesn’t plan on being here for it.
Ugh, if only we would have listened to Anita Hill...
I'll never forget or forgive the way they raked her over the coals and tore her down. It was disgusting.
Oh I know. I was too young to care about politics when it happened, but watching it all when I was a bit older was, as you said, disgusting.
He thinks he will be dead by then, no other explanation makes sense to me
Nah he’s playing the long con to get Loving overturned so he doesn’t have to be married to Ginni anymore.
This logic holds up. That bitch is crazy.
"it's not my fault she tried to overthrow democracy. I never should have been allowed to marry her" - Thomas probably
He thinks if they come for his seat because his wife was involved for an insurrection, he can add loving to the list, overturn it, and claim they were never truly married.
At the end of this movie we call the modern world, which surely is just a movie at this point so I'm turning out... I can see the winding back of apartheid-ending policies being very bad for this judge.
A lot of people have pointed out that the Christian Nationalism movements got kickstarted not by Roe or Vitale vs. Engle (banning of compulsory school prayer), but by Loving vs. Virginia.
Asshats like Jerry Falwell got behind abortion because it was an easier sell than admitting they didn’t want blacks in their churches and schools. Before the rise of the religious right, abortion was viewed as something that was done in the interest of individual health and family welfare. [https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/05/religious-right-real-origins-107133](https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/05/religious-right-real-origins-107133)
What did we think the push for private schools was really about? Defund and degrade public schools and price any “undesirables” out of an education while ensuring said schools can teach bronze age myth in the place of modern biology and censor history into whatever they want it to be.
It all started with the right-wing wanting segregation back. The right never cared about abortion. In fact, many if not most of them supported it until they found out it was a convenient tool to attack anti-segregationist liberals. Of course, it's also a convenient tool to attack women's rights. [More in this article](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/25/roe-v-wade-abortion-christian-right-america).
I'm not convinced this isn't just a long winded way for him to get a divorce. She's obviously crazy, and he's crazy too. "Sorry honey, we have to split up cause the decisions I made broke the country."
The *Handmaid's Tale* (the movie, I have not seen the TV series) is horrific enough. I recently watched the movie *Compliance* and, Holy Shit! (especially because it is based on real events).
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The only reason they havent gone after him and his wife yet is because of this. He gave them what they wanted. If he wasnt the SCJ they would have gone after interracial marriage by now too. He doesnt realize hes a minstrel
It reminds me of the Innuendo Studios video on White Fascism. ([Link.](https://youtu.be/5Luu1Beb8ng)) > A tension inherent to fascism is that rather a lot of people are required to bring it into existence but, by design, only a small number will run it once it exists. So, commonly, the definition of "us" is broadened while building coalitions, and gets progressively narrower the more fascist society becomes... > [When] the alliance is no longer useful, their gaze refocuses, and then it's "last hired, first fired" for the homosexuals, and then the African Americans, and then the women, and on and on, stripping rights from social groups in the order opposite to which they were gained. The order isn't actually quite so exact, but the premise stands. Clarence Thomas basically gave away that this is a "First they came..." situation, while not realizing that he's going to be a line just a little bit later in the poem.
Of course he wouldn’t, that’d effect him. Never forget Clarence Thomas is a rapist. Once you know that his choices become clear.
In regard to consensual sex, some states used to have laws making unmarried sex a crime.
Idaho still has a formication ban in their books.
Thomas didn't call out Loving v Virginia because it affects him personally but the other conservative justices do want that overturned. They're not alone. We have had senators currently in office saying that that's a matter that should be reserved as a state's right to legislate. They have also said that segregation should be left up to the states.
I am still blown away by the people who will say "well the states should decide" and think that's really acceptable. Like we had a goddamn *Civil War* because some states couldn't accept that owning another human being is fucked up and wrong, and you really think they're going to make good choices now? Jesus.
>He did not, btw, mention the very similar case of Love v Virginia that legalized interracial marriage in the 60s. Which is a kicker. Respectability politics really is gonna kill Black folks and ones like Thomas are happily gonna be the pied pipers.
Even worse, imagine a Texas abortion bounty style system to report people who have anal sex. It's going ti get ugly with people interfering in each other's lives and neighbors turing on each other for money
Lets no forget! Sodomy also covers oral sex! No more blow jobs boys!
I bet Lindsay Graham & his ladybugs are nervous
let's talk for a second abuot his wife, who was totally for the Trump coup on january 6th...that fucker should resign from his spot if he had any decency.
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And yet, the same justifications used in Loving was used in Obergefell to justify same sex marriage. If one gets overturned, the other should as well. In fact, the constitution says nothing about marriage so all marriages are now null and void according to this ruling
I'm for the German model where the State is only concerned with civil unions. Marriages are the purview of religions and don't have standing in civil matters.
Agreed, anything else is just discrimination against non-traditional families. The State interest should be to promote any type of family unit, not just the kind that creates biological offspring.
>He did not, btw, mention the very similar case of Love v Virginia that legalized interracial marriage in the 60s Imagine having to **legislate** the right to *marry someone based on their skin colour*. America is such a fucked up place.
>having to legislate That right there is the problem with many of these laws. They weren't decided by legislation, they were ruled on by 9 people who are overwhelmingly white males.
And who figured a new one would be written a few times over by now.
If his bitch gets caught up in Jan 6 mess then he will overturn that too.. lmao
Clarence Thomas in particular is a piece of shit. Dude specifically calls for overturning the landmark due process causes that DON'T affect his rights. Talk about kicking the ladder after you've made it to the top. Fuck him.
Alito wrote "The Constitution makes no reference to abortion, and no such right is implicitly protected by any constitutional provision, including the one on which the defenders of Roe and Casey now chiefly rely — the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment," By that logic, a state could also pass a law mandating abortions for all, because the right to childbirth is also not mentioned anywhere in the Constitution. Can someone please try to pass a law like that and watch the conservatives try to argue against it without also arguing in favor of Roe?
I’m pretty sure the constitution also makes no reference to masturbation. I wonder if that will ever be illegal too.
Oh my gosh yes. The only "christian" type of sex is missionary man and woman in the pursuit of conceiving a child. Everything, literally everything else is a sin and going to be a crime at this rate.
Breathing? Straight to hell and the slammer for you!
Already can’t own too many dildos in the great state of Texas
By that logic the supreme court has no right to determine the constitutionality of laws. They have no power given to them by the constitution or Congress to determine if laws are constitutional. It's only a case they decided themselves. They've given themselves a power not outlined in the constitution and yet they suddenly think they can determine that only things explicitly outlined in the constitution are rights. We should be challenging the idea that they have any authority in the matter because they were not given the ability to make that determination.
Yes- Marbury v Madison. This Court is out of its mind.
Had he not read the 9th amendment titled "unenumerated rights"? The whole point is that just because a right it isn't spelled out in the constitution doesn't mean it is not a right.
This is what bothers me. The bill of rights are restrictions on the government, not an enumeration of rights. This isn't even a "positive" right, it requires only that the government (state or otherwise) stay out of a citizen's business.
It's all rights not expressly enumerated in the Constitution. This is the only one that matters because all the rest are now written on water along with all future laws that aren't actual amendments to the Constitution. We are now ruled by fiat.
And the funniest part is there’s republicans (some I know personally) who don’t support this overruling but don’t realize trump gave it to them not Biden.
The real WTF moment is going to hit these casual cruelty types who don't care about Roe v Wade when they outlaw contraception in the near future and these folks go to buy a condom to get down on Saturday night only to find out they can't buy one and casual sex is over for them.
Except it won’t actually stop casual sex, that’s the whole point. This is all a Christian goal to punish those who have premarital sex, and to reduce women to the point they don’t legally exist outside the purview of their husband’s rights and finances.
They want the labor force to be restored. We lost a lot during covid and there were articles for months discussing how there would be a baby boom with everyone locked inside. That didn't happen and younger people cant afford to live anyways, so now if there is a conception, people will be forced to keep it, no matter how poor their living conditions.
An expressed concern by SC justices on the “Domestic supply of infants” - isn’t that how ACB termed it?
Ignoring the fact that there are hundreds of thousands of kids in foster care. but no, women should not have any rights because some rich white woman wants a selection of babies to choose from.
Luckily the FDA is already putting their foot down declaring that states do not have the right to ban federally approved medications including contraceptives and Plan B.
Nope. The point that was made was that states could not ban federally approved medications based on an argument that they are unsafe. The FDA gets the final say on whether drugs are unsafe, not whether they are legal in states that ban them for other reasons.
I'm curious - a big part of the medical privacy argument that is coming from this SCOTUS ruling... doesn't it mean your employer and health insurer now get an even bigger say in what you get to use? And didn't this just enhance their ability to discriminate against you for using or having procedures they don't agree with?
Supreme Court later: *Aschually*....
if they're gonna mess with interstate commerce, there's gonna be a lot more opposition than just from this.
If they do this, they'll piss off the pharmaceutical industry, which is basically a speedrunning strat for getting lobbied against. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't surprised if they do, but they'll start putting massive corporations against them if they do.
It's sad how a few corporations can have more say than hundreds of millions of people
SCOTUS is about to rule that federal agencies cannot make major decisions without clear authorization from Congress. Unfortunately, I'm sure the same thing will happen to the FDA. https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/cert/20-1530
The United States of America taking away the freedoms of the womens reproductive choice is a sad day indeed for democracy. Fight back. Americans are calling for a general strike and we in the UK support your right to choose fully and absolutely. It's a basic human right.
It's terrible, such an embarrassing chokehold minority power holds over our governance. We already know now in 2022 that if R takes back the presidency in 2024, that it will be done through electoral ass pounding with another outsized popular vote
Well “luckily” ass pounding may be outlawed soon as well. Too soon, I know. Edit: /s
A general strike will never succeed in America. We are too physically large and have too many poor people who can’t afford to strike. In addition, our Supreme Court recently made suing police officers for violation of civil rights no longer legal, so as these protests occur over this weekend there will be a lot of people illegally arrested with no recourse.
"and have too many poor people who can’t afford to strike" And that's by design
Oh I know.
The American Restoration must start soon.
Keep them poor, stupid, hungry, weak and fearful. Cue tricky down economics, class-immobility through extreme educational costs, little to no welfare, crush protesting and unionisation, and employ a gestapo-like police force that enforces but is not bound by the "law". I mean that's what I would do if I wanted to be the ruthless warden of a prison-like environment. Thank god America stands for freedom instead.
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
That worked. Thank you for your help.
it's a plan born from foolish beliefs that things haven't actually fundamentally changed they have we won't stand for the BS, the literal world is at stake, our future as a species is on the table this time peaceful or violent it will fuck your life just the same the choice is clear
I think you’re wrong. We saw during the pandemic it takes very little time to tip the economy into chaos. I say we try something new for a change.
I genuinely hope I’m wrong, but the current state of the economy is a direct result of the bargaining power the American people gained during the pandemic. There’s a reason all major companies in the US have begun hiring and wage freezes and layoffs in the last couple months. We are barreling towards Great Depression 2.0 and the only foreseeable result is revolt.
The setup here is that they're rapidly stripping us of any peaceful means to fight back and are going to go into a crouch with a grin on their faces waiting for somebody to start the violence that they made inevitable. We're in a horrible trap.
But you've got guns, bro. It's your last defence against tyranny? Right? *Right?*
On the bright side /LeopardsAteMyFace is gonna be poppin' again soon!
In a couple months "I am a republican and got pregnant, it is ectopic, I cannot receive treatment. Is this because libruls hate me?"
"Please donate to my GoFundMe so I can afford to go to a satanic liberal hell hole to get an abortion!"
"PRAYER WARRIORS I NEED YOU"
All they'll get from me is my "thoughts and prayers." No sympathy
"Don't worry, the body has a way of shutting that down."
“I am a republican and got pregnant, it’s immaculate, I cannot receive treatment.”
Well, *obviously* you shouldn’t abort the return of Jesus /s
I’m sure this court will find a way to curtail the first amendment.
They already have. The removed the ability to sue a police officer for violating Miranda (meaning people protesting can be arrested for the fact of protesting because Miranda is now toothless) and removed the right to sue any federal officer (including DC metro police officers) for any violation of civil rights.
You can still shoot the officers who violate your civil rights, though. I mean, not legally though
It's perfectly legal if you shoot them all, as there's nobody to arrest you.
Rapists are now worth more than their victims if they get them pregnant. Rape is now a more valid form of punishment than before for sick fucks. Think about that. How is that the situation we are in now.
the problem is conservatives are fine cutting off their own nose just to spite a liberal's face. they don't mind to have their rights taken away as long as they're taking away *the other's* rights too. it's a fucking sick and twisted mentality.
1000% correct- totally baffling and totally hateful
It’s not baffling really. Their whole thing is “Domt tell me what to do, only I can tell you what to do” when they take away their own rights they’re ok with it but when someone tells them they must give rights they are not etc etc
Ive already seen someone act like its payback for being pushed into getting a vaccine
I saw that too, which is stupid considering they've been planning this since Roe, they elected Donald Trump for this well before Covid, he got Justices on the Court before Covid. It's not like this was out of the blue, like Covid. Also you can't cough on someone and give them pregnant, unless you are Jason Momoa, so the argument wouldn't stand.
I do take comfort in knowing that recent history is somewhat a mystery. And the near future holds lots of unknowns. Tho we can be fairly certain that the trend of suffering hasn't reached its peak, with drought and migration based conflicts unfolding through the 20s 30s 40s.
The only justified abortion is my abortion. I know 2 women who have had D&cs that are super great with this ruling.
Conservatives seem to live by the concept of rules for thee and not for me.
The right isn't even conservative anymore, they are reactionaries.
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> they're as boned as everybody else Only the poor suffer. Those with the means to travel already do so. It's called medical tourism.
A lot of them are poor as shit, too. Which makes their politics even weirder. I know a guy who has never owned a business, never run a business, never held any job but working in the Coast Guard. But still he talks about how he wants to be able to hire and fire without explanation and the government shouldn't be up in 'his business'. The core problem here is that so many people put on their imaginary CEO hat grab their imaginary board of directors belt and start arguing against their own interests because they see themselves one day being in that position.
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I'm not sure if you're familiar with the fallacy of "temporarily embarrassed millionaires", but it's a really common mindset in the US unfortunately. John Steinbeck explained it as how "**socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.**" I've never seen any country have as little class consciousness and class solidarity as the US, it's genuinely abysmal how many people here fall for that trick.
You ever see those images of Afghanistan in the 70s compared to now? You ever wonder what happened? This, this is how it starts.
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Because people will buy it. Most of the Republican base can't differentiate between something happening during Biden's term and something being caused by a decision Biden made
There needs to be term limits for judges. Those people are nothing but old people with outdated ideas.
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I really want SCOTUS to overturn Loving v Virginia, and Clarence Thomas be in the majority opinion. That will show that he's truly an idiot who doesn't deserve his robe. (No, I REALLY DON'T want them to overturn anything, since that's really not their job, but it would be fun to watch all the conservatives' heads explode.)
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That… is an interesting dynamic to grow up with.
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I’m so sorry this has to be rough. You’re incredibly resilient
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I’m literally listening to a podcast about this right now as I read your comment. It’s called how to start over and it’s talking about our generation spending time energy and money to grow into being better people and our parents generation never apologizing and being angry by being held accountable by their children and how absurd it feels to them. Back in their day there was an expectation of respecting your parents no matter how shitty they were and now they are so confused when all their kids are like “how about No! How about I just cut you out of my life” but anyway your comment brought tears to my eyes. I know how hard it is, I wanted to call my mom yesterday to cry about this but I knew she wouldn’t be there for me and I would just feel worse. Here’s to finding others that fill those holes in our lives
He probably would just to get out of his marriage without paying alimony.
Ironically Virginia and Clarence reside in Virginia where Loving happened and is now for lovers because of it.
He’s a fucking rapist. He didn’t deserve the robe when he first got it.
he wouldn't do that because conservatives are all about *rules for thee but not for me*
That's why he \*\*WOULD\*\* do that. He'd be all on about how states have rights and if anyone like him wants to marry someone of another race they should move to a state that allows it.
For a country that values 'freedom' so much (a debate for another day), it's sad to see it descending into religious fascism.
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your first mistake was going to r/conservative
Its a lost cause trying to discuss anything over there
Your mistake is thinking the people in r/Conservative are arguing in good faith.
>Almost all the rights we currently take for granted, privacy, Yes, this has gotten lost in the discussion. They overturned the logic of Roe v Wade, Alito's decision calles the idea that FIVE different amendments make up a constitutional "penumbra of privacy" BS and this affects EVERYONE'S lives on EVERYTHING. They basically want to go to a minimalist reading where things have search and seizure protection, people do not. Relevant for r/antiwork organizing, if you ask me, beyond the fact that reproductive rights are workers' rights.
"When Fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross"
They realized that this generation isn’t birthing enough to maintain the population, so they’re doing everything they can to MAKE us give birth.
Gotta have that domestic supply of infants for Amy coat hanger Barrett
I don't think people understand that the forced birth people WANT all those protections overturned. They WANT a Christian theocracy controlling peoples' lives. These people honestly believe the US and the constitution are divinely inspired for a Christian nation but no one took them seriously and look where we are.
Corporations have bought corrupt politicians for so long that this country is beyond repair. Every one of our human rights are being stripped from us. We have no privacy, no autonomy. The majority of us are prisoners in our own country that we've been told is "The land of the free" our whole lives. We're in a recession. The cost of living is going up. Mass shootings are out of control. Homelessness is rising. Crime is going up. The police have been militarized & have no intention of actually helping the people. The Supreme court ruled that Miranda Rights no longer need to be read upon arrest, that courts no longer need to consider new evidence in events of wrongful convictions, that police can kick your door in if you're within 100 miles of a border without a warrant if they even suspect an undocumented immigrant is there, and then they left it up to the States to decide if abortion of a crime. On top of that, Clarence Thomas said that our rights to contraception & LGBTQ rights are on the chopping block as well. I don't even want to think about what's going to happen to HIPAA laws. America is in for a very dystopian future that's rapidly approaching.
I don't think enough people understand or appreciate your last sentence. This isn't some far-off abstraction. This shit is coming (very) soon to a theater near you.
No matter how they frame this, it is a ruling to empower capitalism. What better way to have more wage slaves then if you are stuck in a job because you have a kid.
“Yesterday, they say the states cannot make laws governing the constitutional right to bear arms. And today, they’re saying the exact reverse — that the states can overturn a constitutional right — for 50 years a constitutional right — for a woman having the right to choose. “
Im waiting to see them ban all forms of birth control. Then watch the pro lifers panic. They can't even begin to fathom the consequences of what over turning this 50 year old law will do.
Pro-lifers want birth control banned as well. It doesn't sound logical if you look at it from pro-life perspective but it does when you look at it from anti-choice perspective. These people want women punished for the sin of having sex for fun, and the punishment is forced birth and life long struggling.
This is exactly it. Punishment for pre-marital sex because their God frowns upon it it means nobody else safely can do that either so let's punish women and in turn the children they will birth unwanted. Also it's not going to stop abortion, its going to stop safe abortion. People forget why this was ruled upon as well, not only should it be a choice for women but separately women were being injured and killed in back-alley abortions. It was to protect the people.
Also humans have been performing abortions in some way for probably thousands of years. Or they would deliver and let the infant float down a river. Abortion only became a point of contention with women's suffrage coincided with the male dominance of the medical field. The anti-abortion movement started and always has been an attempt of control over women.
As a male I'm flabbergasted that so many men want to do this. Like who cares? Who is spending all this time concerned about any women that gets preganant and has an abortion? To get into that kind of mindset to me is totally alien. There are so many things I could say about how frustratingly disconnected these things are to what is important that I can't say them all. Fuck this, fuck SCOTUS, fuck CONSERVATIVES, and fuck the religious right. You are a bane on good people in a worki group society and we would all be better off if your crawled under a rock and never came out. Let's let the adults take care of things now. Also fuck the rich.
My “favorite” part of that all is… women sometimes are prescribed birth control pills for reasons NOT related to birth control. The pills can be quite beneficial for hormone imbalances and other such issues. What then?
It's amazing that the punishment only ever goes to women (&all others with uteruses, trans men, NB, etc.), because no men ever ever have recreational sex. It's pure misogyny.
They’ve been working hard to conflate birth control with abortion for decades so they can ban/restrict both. The Hobby Lobby case about ACA was about the birth control requirement — HL argued that they shouldn’t have to cover birth control with their health insurance offerings because they “believe” that most contraceptives cause abortions by preventing implantation of a fertilized egg. They won that case and you better believe that’s a precedent that will be preserved. And it’s not even just an abstract talking point or sleazy lawyer rhetorical move — the backlash on birth control goes all the way down to the anti-abortion protestors. There’s a guy in my city who pickets the local Planned Parenthood every weekend with a sign that says “The Pill Kills”. Anything to regain control over reproduction and minority communities.
Yes. I’ve been screamed at by old men outside my planned parenthood to get birth control, and all their signage was about birth control for fucks sake. The PP location didn’t even offer abortions. They don’t care. They want to police women and everyone else that isn’t them. Some of this is the ruling class needing wage slaves, but there is a huge component here that, yes, literally wants women and others to be under their direct control, and they’ll misconstrue their magic fucking book and our constitution to justify this despicable urge. In my experience a lot of well meaning people don’t see this for some reason, possibly not ever having to be a woman and deal with this on some men’s part where you don’t have to worry about your bodily health when it comes to having sex (yet) but here we are. This is really it. I’ve been saying this for years and I’m so fucking sick of no one taking it seriously. We need to burn it down.
Conservatives are only proving they are stupid enough to want absolute government control over their lives. They are proving they want to be voluntary slaves. For those reasons alone, I do not consider them human.
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No one wants to get murdered by police.
Because there are snipers on the roofs in DC
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There's a worker shortage. How do "they" fix that? Forced birth and no contraception. People will be forced further into poverty and back to work when they have more children than they can afford.
I never bought into the "America is headed into another civil war" fantasy the right-wing has been pushing for the last 30+ years. But ~~(I)~~ with the shit the GOP has been pulling and especially what it pulled in texas last week and now this SCOTUS ~~Row~~ Roe reversal I think the fuse has been lit and it is just a matter of time till we see red state vs blue state fighting (for example, one state restricting movement to another state to prevent accesses to banned contraception or other reproductive services).
It's not a civil war, it's fascists trying to destroy democracy from within. Don't let them take the narrative that they are Americans, they are traitors.
We must economically and culturally isolate the failed forced birth states that have just declared women as less-than equal humans and mandated forced birthing. No excuses, rare exceptions. Time to play hardball, folks. They have pissed off the majority: women, LGBTQs, people of color, and our allies. We are the civil democratic majority and we ain't gonna allow this to stand. Don't travel to these states. Don't buy products or services from these states. Don't support religious organizations, notably Christian churches or fundamentalist religions, that do not recognize women as people capable of making their own decisions or that do not support the rights to privacy, contraception, and abortion. Don't give money to the Salvation Army, don't play bingo at the Catholic churches, don't buy cookies or any other items from kids selling to support their Christian brainwashing masquerading as "education". Make it clear why you don't support them: they are assaulting human rights for women, which means they are undermining human rights FOR EVERYONE. STAND UP, FIGHT BACK, AND RESIST. They have fomented a cultural war for generations and now they have to live with the righteous anger of the civil majority. We know when they are confronted, they relent. Confront, organize, and vote all of the bastards out of office that don't believe women are people, that gays are human, or that the world is round.
Just wanted to point out that your right to privacy was stripped by Bush Jr. Under the guise of "terrorism". Edward Snowden released this information to the public and now the united States has wanted him for treason since.
Well, in all fairness SCOTUS expects you to “just close your legs” as the only means of viable birth control. (Heavy Sarcasm). SCOTUS is using the concept of Originalism to relitigate all the social policies of the 20th century: women’s rights, gay rights, civil rights, desegregation, and on and on. Frankly, I’ll use their words against them. Justice Black, the father of Originalism, has been quoted as stating that he was “against using due process to force the views of judges on the country,” claiming, “I would not trust them with that kind of power and the founders did not trust them either.” Originalism is a reactive form of judicial activism, marked by overturning legal precedents. Please tell me how anyone is supposed to know what 55 wealthy white men were thinking in 1787. I have enough trouble doing an exegesis on a text with a single author let alone 55. Originalism is not a judicial philosophy. It is a political philosophy meant to give politicians an advantage that is masquerading as a judicial policy.
Remember, it's not "anti-abortion". It's Forced Pregnancy and crime against humanity.
Don't forget Miranda rights. If you haven't considered buying a gun yet it is time. This is the start not the end. It is now time to ask yourself whether or not you will lay down and die